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- Current shelling damage numbers:
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Credits to the /r/gunlance community and /u/Scarops_ and /u/urird
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I may love gunlance a little too much, so sorry for this wall of text in advance.
This is an extract of the narration of the first chapter of the ultimate gunlance guide I'm building and where I want to include every single detail about the weapon.
• Why you should try Gun...
It is a good alternative if you don't want to read all this. Besides providing visual proof of the statement so is a little more easy to digest.
I also want to remind that /r/gunlance is a thing a everyone is welcome there.
This first part covers the basics of the three main shelling attacks, uncharged shells, charged shells and full burst that are the main tools of gunlance. I plan to write another wall about Wyvernstake and Wyvern Fire, besides another chapter dedicated to melee attacks.
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I remembered this guide as standing out for being especially well thought out & detailed. I'm back, years later, to remember what I forgot.
2:13 "You are protected from minor flinches, winds and tremors"
"Facetanks the jivahameha"
Yeah, minor.
@@8Kazuja8 i just wanted to stop a minute and thank you for jivahameha and jivadoken. those 2 just made my day.
@@8Kazuja8 hey man nice profile picture
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You know somehow I feel like gunlance requires more muscle memory and management than the charge blade. Whenever I play charge blade I always feel in control and in the flow of combat, because the charge blade playstyle sort of follows a flow chart (which I wont explain here). But I always feel a step behind when playing the gunlance and I'm never sure when I should be poking, guarding, shelling, etc. Most likely because I haven't played with it enough but like the s'n's I feel like this "simple" weapon type hides a sea of nuance and complexity. I want to learn more. Teach me your ways oh lord of the bang stick.
Not really, it has a general flow too. The difference is that Gunlance can be considered as three different weapons in one due to the shell types. But normally you focus on one for a while and each of those types has it's own flow like most weapons and in each of these flows there is a set point where you poke and shell. Guarding also comes with experience even if there's no real flow to it, obviously. It's the same situation when you play Charge Blade and you want to decide whether you want to transfer energy into your normal sword or not, since it's not really part of a flow and not absolutely neccessary. Gunlance just comes off more complex if you pick the weapon up and try to learn every shell type at the same time.
All 3 gunlance types have a flow to them, normal is the YB-Y-B-Y-RB and repeat for its damage combo, wide is RY-B-Y-B-Y-RB and long is RB-B(hold)-B(hold) repeat. you get those down and after that its mastering when to sharpen and when to guard. While learning, its good to take Guard skills but once you learn what you can and cant block...really its better to go for full damage and best thing is you dont need affinity really since shells ignore hardpoints. You just eat through sharpness which is why my usual build runs handicraft, protective polish, artillery and magazine.
Hi, can you make your GL tutorial and tips into a playlist... Would appreciate it a lot, thanks 😬
This video is absolutely PACKED with great info. Awesome job! The voice narrator makes it much easier to follow rather than pure text.
I have a suggestion maybe add some text bullet points to show which topic is being currently covered. With so much info you have to rewind a lot to learn everything and bullet points would make it easier to know where you are in the video. Thanks!
Here I am, back years later for the mon hun hype, browsing my favorite gunlancers guides once again. So glad to see you're still around making content.
I love gunlance now as it is my new main! The ability to have great defense and offense with mobility makes this weapon the king/queen of weapons in my opinion. I also want to express just how amazing it is to have a new ability the entire team can utilize, which is wyernstake blast. Just that pod can increase the entire teams damage through special interactions. From what I've observed, it can explode from teammates attacking it with blast or explosive weapons. That means impact charge blade/switch axe, stickies, wyern ammo, and blast weapons seem to receive bonus damage from the wyernstake. I look forward to future videos, I subbed!
Welcome.
Yes. WSB is brutal with four gunlancers. Explosions overdose
Here's an example of how good 4p gunlance is, if you're curious.
th-cam.com/video/oJPzylynu18/w-d-xo.html
The weapon with best attack defense and mobility is charge blade tbh
@@TheMrBlanky nah CB shiels isnt as strong as a lance shield, but considering you should be able to use guard up then yeah
What mobility? This bitch slow af. The defense is ok, but not great. It doesn't have the absolute defense like Lance and doesn't have the mobility to easily attack and defend like SnS. It's a good weapon, just takes awhile to get used too.
oh yes, the armor that you killed extremoth with, I have the armor that I killed the great jargras with
That is nice too. Is like how MC Scrooge keeps its first cent.
Serves you to say "I started here"
Great stuff i have been extensivly playing normal gunlance the past days and i am loving it.
Dont like Long gl But will probably look into wide as it is very good at using alot of different attacks.
Also gunlance coverage on TH-cam sucks if it wasnt for you.
Only wish you could Post a few more runs using the different styles. Long gl is omnipresent in that regard while normal only has mostly old stuff. And wide? Yeah whats that again.
Nobody loves the boomstick as we do....
@@gtdx20 ;) its alot of fun indeed
Wonder how many of us are returning to this as a refresher after not playing for so long
At any given point in the video, there is ALOT of information being shown as gameplay, text, and from the text-to-speech voice. It's a bit difficult to keep up and process everything at once. For example at 7:43 you have a combo example in the background, with big red text covering it, and then the voice is still talking about uncharged shells on long GL.
*edit: Right after i posted this i checked my own time stamp and you are talking about normal now, there's a lack of pausing to let viewers process what has just been said/shown
i guess a less wordy question (see my previous comment) would be: When is it efficient to use charged shelling on Wide gunlances?
Theres a new video on this channel all about wide shelling combos, but the short answer is if you want to stagger a monster more quickly and if you have decent enough poke damage to justify it. I wouldn't do it all the time but its good if you want to get the monster knocked over or flinched.
1) Executing gunlance's clutch claw attack automatically reloads the gunlance. You still lose one shell from doing the actual attack.
2) Doing the overhead smash attack midair also reloads the gunlance. You must be high enough for the gunlance to properly reload (i.e. jumping up half a meter from sliding down a slope doesn't work.)
Thanks for those tips !!!
May i ask you a question ? What do you build against safi ?
A long , Wide or a normal ?
I will fetch you later the videos about my safi hunts.
Safi hunt is more about breaking parts than dealing damage and long serves that objective very well.
Wide can work, I want to see how poison, blast and dragon affects Safi. I got this crazy idea of building three gunlances with each status and swap them at camp after each layer.
So wide can stagger easier than long, albeit with shorter range, and is better at normal shelling than long, too?
My safi weapon priorities just changed
Thank you Gunlance senpai !
I've been playing bow for the entire game and recently made the switch go gunlance and man, talk about a culture shock. But these videos have helped me so much in learning how to use the weapon, like seriously, thank you.
You are welcome!
This is really solid, keep it up
Hi!
I was talking about the current game status where you fight xenos basically once before going into master rank. You pick defender all the way and is fast and smooth.
The Gunlance Guide we need, but don't deserve.
I tried to play gunlance, but was offput by the clunky style and how it's mechanics (guarding, shelling[charged], and full burst) don't flow together. I respect the information in this video. I learned a lot of things I didn't know.
how do you get 174 charged shell? i only get 158 :( 9:46
my 2cent
woman robotic voice really hard to hear and understand and the background music just too loud compare to the voice
Weird, I was actually concerned about the music being too low.. i must be growing old.
I will raise the voice a little in my next video
@@caoslayer yeah music not so loud but it almost on pair with the voice so it very hard to heard for me and can you switch if to man voice next time ?
@@TriHard7c I'm a not an english speaker and my accent is godawful. I think nobody would be able to understand me that way.
@@caoslayer yeah same here lol just hope you can find a voice easier to hear than this women voice
@@caoslayer Yea, between the music, voice and the text, it's a bit difficult to understand all the information being shown
Thank for the tip on how to avoid shelling after hopping!
@Tony Pettersson yes I mean avoid reloading
Your guides are super helpful specially to a noob like me! (just about to fight anjanath next). I've never played any MH before so I just chose to main gunlance by how awesome it looked lol luckily i found it to be a rly fun weapon ^^ I got lots more to learn tho I fumble sometimes like when to guard, or timing in general, ect.
hey Cao long time watcher/fan. With safi coming to PC this week would you care to help with a guide for weapon playstyles and what to build. Para/blast for normal/wide etc. How many hits you need for the safi armor set bonus to heal you and any testing (shelling/full burst counting towards that count) any unique playstyles that come availible with safi (wyrmstake cannon :D) or anything else that pertains to this specific event for PC goers. Thanks for all the awesome indepth guides.
Truly exceptional guide. Thanks for going into great detail while also keeping things digestible and simple!
Its funny I main GL, it's my most used weapon by a mile, but I could never find out why I would randomly full reload and it drove me crazy. Thanks I didn't know trying to shell after hopping made you do that. This was a big issue for me on normal shelling because I preferred to lead with shell, quick reload, then full burst.
Do note you can actually also do a quick reload out of the full burst! Good to know if you're running normal but focused more on shells than melee, as it leaves the sweep attack out of the cycle.
Teach me this magic. How?
4:50 Instead of S S P, I do the opposite. with wide or long Ill S P P S P P S and with artillery master and magazine. You can pull off some pretty good damage numbers and if you are focusing on a large monster like xeno or safi its easier to make them stagger since you can get more damage out before having to reload. Also, Bazel buster on shara ishvalda absolutely wrecks his first phase when hes covered in rock. You can get off 85 to 150 damage numbers on shellpoke and it builds up blast faster.
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For those reading, if you are going to do my favorite style which is fullburst....Handicraft and protective polish are an absolute must, because you are going to eat through that sharpness so fast you can go from purple to green in 20 seconds or less if you are really good with your FB cancels to keep the combo going. You will also stagger even huge monsters extremely quickly and I think my best stagger was on raging brach. Staggered him with an aerial burst. then was able to get out 6 full bursts and when it stood up, got staggered again for another 6 before it hit the next area and had to sharpen.
First comment. Will utilize this to thank you for your hard work! Keep up tjos amazing series please.
I will!
Great content as always! Looking forward to the in depth guides of each shelling types :)
Do you think Capcom should bump the damage for CHARGED Wide shelling? Because, at the moment, the damage Charge Wide shelling damage does is not that big of a difference if you compare it to the Normal Wide shelling, unlike what they have with Long and Normal Gunlances. Great video by the way. Always great to have someone like you that researches a lot about gunlances
The moment they give us wide 7 that is more likely than getting a long 7, wide will be better at charged shots than long without an ounce of doubt...
balancing gunlance is hard because a slight change can render one shell style obsolete.
@@caoslayer oh definitely, since it's a level more. But, if they'd release a Long 7, then...Wide will become next to obsolete as it is at the moment.
Hopefully they do make it more balanced soon.
still waiting the guide for the melee attacks and the defense of the gunlance :(
Caoslayer: 0:01
Me thinking: General Kenobi!
Started using the GL for the Safi'jiiva seige. So far, I'm loving it!
This is a really compact, and detailed guide. I'll need to practice the weapon with this guide opened on the side.
Really appreciate the guide and looking forward for more!
I think in the next Monster Hunter, they should just make it so the "wyrm stake cannon" is actually the "wyrm stake blast". Would probably be the significant buff it needs.
if you actually talked instead of using a robot voice maybe youd get more likes
Man, this is awesome! I've just started the game, and have chosen Gunlance, thanks for all the information!
I need to know what guy lance you’re using, it looks so nice
did you ever made the video on defensive options ? i cant seem to find it
If you cant timing the evade then shelling right try pressing forward a bit as soon as you see your characters move start shelling again this help lessen the long reload on accident
Other way is to do a poke before a shell. Doesn't works good on long through other than saving the shell for a charged shot.
Booooo... Defender Gear. Basically cheating.
I was a Bow main for the longest time, then I switched to Longsword, then I tried the Charge Blade, then went back to Bow. I collected every single elemental Bow I could and dealt with the hassle of switching gear every time I went for a hunt...I was like, well, that's life and how I am supposed to play the game...then, one day, I met the Gunlance...and HOLY FUCK! End of the story. ;D
Oh, yeah, this plays differently from MH4U and MHGU. I haven't played MHW yet as I've been mostly interested in MHGU but decided to give MHW:Iceborne a shot on the Xbox One and so I'm waiting and doing research as to how Gunlance differs from MH4U. I know Gunlance in MHW is closest to Guild Style in MHGU, but from listening to this video and the last one by the same content creator, it looks like the weapon is rather different. I'd be curious just how different they play, but I'm still waiting on my copy to arrive in the mail and when it does, I guess I'll find out just how different it plays. I've been a *huge* fan of Wide Gunlance and I'm seeing that the Long appears to replace the charged shelling Wide from MH4U.
Yeah, yeah...I'm late to the game...
Whats the name of this mod shes using to show monster HP?
Thanks again for your advise
Can we not get the bot voice. Not doing that
Maybe its a me problem but i find it hard following your video.
The voice over is explaining something while some random text pop-puts that explain another or whats happening in the video and only rarely the text provides a follow-up answer on what was being mentioned.
Sorry, yes, I got this feedback and improved a bit with the years in my later videos.
@@caoslayer its ok. good to know you're trying to improve. 👌👌
600 hours between Xbox and PC and I'm just now learning you can change the angle you fire your Gunlance. Thank you!
I'm new to gun lance. What armor skills and deco's should I use for this weapon and it's three types? Figured I'd learn since the golden one deems it so, shame to waste a powerful weapon right😅?
The best channel for mhw I've seen so far
8:13 you are fighting barioth, but I notice you have the health bar in the top right corner. How did you enable that. I see your on ps4 but wasn't sure if that is available on console
The background music, oh the nostalgia
God I hated seltas
@@neopolitan9156 whats seltas
Just switched to pc, and getting back into gunlance because mhw is my first mh game and I main GL but I dont even use the shells as much as I should be like I might as well be using a lance so this video helped especially since I used to think that shells were weaker then melee for gunlances
Love your videos!
Hey dude, cool guide. I got some critique: turn down the music, i'm not a native of eng/usa and i got a good understanding of the language, but the robo-voice makes it a little hard to understand with the music blasting louder than "her". I'd suggest turning it down like 30%-50% actually.
You are not the only one complaining, I will got it into consideration for next video.
If you want to review any info, in the description you can find the whole thing written down.
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Great video. :)
did you really recommeded using the defender set? shm
Only the weapon for low/high rank.
Basically makes you skip all the grinding in these before going to MR.
Great guide. Goes a little fast at times and the music is a bit loud, making the voice hard to focus on at times (for me at least), but otherwise, it was very helpful, thanks!
Don’t you need to be hidden to use the assassin mantle? And won’t it disappear after you use it? Might have to test it out
It disapears after you get the bonus.
Is only required to the monster to not be aware of you. So it works if you aproach it by its back.
Using a smokebomb is faster mid combat. Works when the radar is purple.
Can you explain how to cancel the Forward Lunge? Pretty please with sugar on top !
Easy.
Activate the button guide on the top right for reference.
When doing the motion you will see at the start when you can shell for the exact timing.
Basically you can do it while the hunter is running before the stab.
Hi i'm a gunlancer now thanks to you
my main issue with wide is that my sharpness goes to shit way to quickly for my pokes to be effective. long style ftw
Maybe you would try something like this th-cam.com/video/jeiD7KdPqKM/w-d-xo.html
I use no sharpness skills there. WS does as much damage as pokes and spends a lot less sharpness.
Somebody tell me how to do this 11:17 ? Thanks
Yeah.
When jho takes some damage will initiate its counter. Hiting him when is doing it or sighly after topples him.
Gunlance shelling has a very lingering hitbox and you can shell with a lot of anticipation.
Or you are talking about the angle up?
Practise it with less focus. Since charging is so fast requires good timing or mashing up
@@caoslayer i mean to change the angel while charge shelling, right i'll do it will less focus soon, can u tell me the button to do that, thanks a lot,
On the left stick, tilt up or down.
@@caoslayer sometimes accidently i can do that but i dont know how, but now i know i just have to practice the timing, big thanks
To quote the video from about literally 5 or 6 seconds before your timestamp, "You also have the possibility to change the angle of the shell by TAPPING EITHER UP OR DOWN"
Thank you very much for this detailed guide! Amazing job!
I just got into GL and I'm so confused on how you can change the direction of a charged shell. For some reason I can't get this "up or down" input to work. I'm using a controller btw.
you can change direction while it is charging, the charge will delay if you change direction too, just push the stick up or down.
Normal style is the way to go for me been playing almost a thousand hours
Does bludgeoner boost Gunlance damage? Considering the shells don't get negatively affected until yellow sharpness?
Bludgeoner behind the curtains is an attack bonus and because that, does nothing to shelling.
It may work on WS.
@@caoslayer Ah damnit, it's pretty much useless then, thought that'd be the one redeeming trait to that skill.
bro how do you make double tap input? i dont know how to do it on steam controller input
No idea how the steam controller works.
I only use a switch pro controller or a nacon one.
@@caoslayer okay, btw can you help me decide which build is better? Sometimes poke|shell works very well but sometimes also longshell is better on some monsters, I want to have a single playstyle. here is the link of my build imgur.com/gallery/Rrtfsdb
Hunting horn, sns, gl WHICH WEAPON DO I PLAY???
Yes
That MH4U theme at the start, nice touch. There was some nice tips I'll work to implement in my Gunlance gameplay.
Off-topic for a bit: I've hard core grinded the Stygian Zinogre Gunlance and now Normal is my favorite shelling type in Iceborne XD
Nice!
Have you tried it in combination with glidder mantle? Besides the two level 4 slots you can claw out and use a slam into fullburst into WS.
@@caoslayer Didn't even think about that, I'll use glider in my next hutns, thanks for the tip 👍
How am I gonna learn gl in time for Safi?
What's the mod you got goin there, that displays part damages?
Hello world's
Have long 7?
Somehow I can’t change the angle of charged shells?
The window to do it is tight like very tight.
Practise it with focus 1 or 2 to get the feeling.
Sweet guide.
nice
Shelling numbers image is too blurry
Check that you are in 1080p at quality.
Auto quality may pick a lower resolution.
Whats that wide beautiful GL?
The Royal Guard Wide 6 gunlance.
Only available on festivals by beating barioth.
Thanks so much for this! Ive just started playing GL on iceborne after being a sticky/cluster/wf HBG on rise.
I just wanted to pick the weapon that has the explosions but without the ammo management xD
This vid really cleared up a lot of things and confirmed the hidden techs i was noticing but I couldnt get to work consistently. The timing for reload into charge shell and the hop into shell timing is really godsend
Read your reddit post, came here for sexy robot voice. Can't wait for the rest of the series!
so wide charged shelling is 8% lower damage but has ~50% part damage with long only having ~34%...and this effectively yields roughly the same amount of part damage.
Does this mean if im a huge fan of Long-style charged shelling i can make a sort of hybrid with a wide gunlance if i can exceed that 8% damage loss + whatever im losing from the 4 shell (vs long)
Maybe something like rathian 2pc set bonus (2x poison duration) -or- just blast status bonuses...in addition to focus3/artillery5/cap. boost...and then stacking raw attack for Wyvern Stake. The idea is to be using poke shell on downed/tripped/long openings -or- whenever comfortable as much as possible, shell+shell+WS on larger openings, and then use long-style charged shelling as per normal use.
I haven't tried wide-style extensively and your jagras normal 6 GL vid/build inspired me to try out normal....but i was less than impressed in comparison to Long. Not to say that normal isn't good, but for me damage 'uptime' on Long-style is incredibly high in comparison.
Anyways, i guess what im looking for here is an answer to these questions: At what point does Wide (using wide-style + long-style hybrid playstyle) beat out Long at charged-shell style? Is getting a few status procs going to push it over Long? Should i just stick with long for my above build idea (minus maybe attack stacking for WS) and poke as little as possible to *maybe* squeeze more damage out of tradition long-style charged shelling?
Take a look to this build concept that I used to speedrun banbaro
th-cam.com/video/eCPiad5XZd0/w-d-xo.html
It is a build based on wide blast that can do more than ten explosions in one hunt.
I used this build with partbreaker but could be replaced with charge.
So, when blast scales to unrecheable values, you may swap to a charged shell strategy...
I would through do some swapping around, I think makes more sense with artillery 5 but you get the idea.