That scene where Shinji says "bye" to Rei, and they're literally standing on a set piece/in a studio, I always like to interpret that as Hideaki Anno breaking the fourth wall and is officially saying "good bye" to this franchise. His demons have been faced, and he has said all that he needs to say.
By the last 3rd of the movie, my brain switched from "watching eva" to "watching Anno's final therapy session". I think the movie is much more interesting and satisfactory if you watch it as the end of his journey as eva's director, rather than Shinji saving the world.
Bruh, the final struggle is Shinji talking with his dad about their wants, fears and desires in a Gnostic, extra-dimensional, metaphysical anti-universe in which realities can be imagined to the god-like being's liking (literal headcanons and analysis videos that real-world audience members have) and thereby manifest them. Everyone gets a happy ending only through the destruction of the EVA cycle, the very core of what makes the EVA, well... EVA. It isn't just about the characters moving on, but the staff, voice cast, the audience and even Anno himself moving on. 3.0+1.0 breaks the fifth wall. It's metacathartic, which I've never seen or experienced before. I agree with you, Anno said all he had (and needed) to say. I was smiling with glossy eyes the entire last 20 minutes of the film.
I always sorta hate the whole 'I would get into the EVA unlike whiny shinji' take because for whatever reason everyone forgets the whole, 'You feel the damage the EVA takes' part of the situation.
I think, after watching the OG series and EOE on Netflix, and out of every analysis video i've watched. My (personal) favorite interpretation of the series' message comes from a toy review channel, and it's "Life can be hard, but it doesn't have to be hell, as long as you put in the time and effort to make something good of a bad thing"
You people who can't relate to Shinji had a happy childhood. That's cool. Wanna know a reason why Evangelion became successful the way it is during its time? Because there were people who related to Shinji Ikari.
Anno making Eva : otaku needs to go outside and live their life instead of being shut-in Eva : becomes most popular and influential franchise in otaku culture Anno : No, this isn’t how you’re supposed to play the game
It’s funny that they compare Bojack and Shinji, because I’ve seen more people feel sorry and even love Bojack, a 50 year old mentally abusive alcoholic narcissist, and absolutely despise Shinji, a 14 year boy who’s been neglected, emotionally detached and is frightened when out in life threatening situations. Yes Shinji was whiny, but I really never understood the hate he got. As if you wouldn’t be scared fucking shitless if you were in his position.
The main reason people don't like Shinji is because he barely seems to emote, when he does it is to cry or throw a tantrum. His sulky attitude pisses people off. Frankly speaking, it should not be hard to create a sympathetic child character. But Eva's numerous portrayals of Shinji totally fail to do this. Even some internal dialogue might fix him. Idk, I just don't like Shinji.
@@pax6833 you're not supposed to like shinji as he is in the series because he is in a terrible state, have sympathy for him sure, but not like him. the one you're supposed to like is the shiji that emerges at the end of the series, having accepted himself.
I think a large part of that is that the show refuses to explain his behavior and mental state in a straightforward way. It’s always symbolically through the angel fights, or obfuscated with long psychological monologues. Even in the rebuild movies, his actions are explained somewhat but sarcastically by Asuka. People expect someone like Shinji to act in a nonrealistic way because that’s what the genre/anime in general made them expect. But refusing to simply explain Shinji also deepens the artistic cohesion of the show as well. A show like Bojack can more straightforwardly explain itself without being cheap because it’s in large part a comedy I think, but I would to rewatch it to make a better point
It's the same reason why people don't want to admit they have personal issues. It's like looking yourself at a mirror when you are going throw a dark phase. I remember I also hated him when I was a depressed teenager, but years later I started feeling more sympathy towards him as I got better, because you have a better understanding about what he is going through
@@pax6833 oh no I wonder how real people process trauma, surely they don't cry right? shinji isn't even supposed to be likeable but people literally just hate him for reacting appropriately that's kinda weird
It not really subtile. Its good at what it does but its not really subtile, it lays very opn how screwed up and being their worst enemy the characters are an struggling, its very much hammered down. Its part of its charm, but i woulnt call it subtile, more a hammy psychologigal drama being an experience. Psychological dark drama are probably just not his jam.
Connor: Why's Shinji upset. The dude has no friends, no family members, is sexual repressed, and lived in a post-apocalypse, also when he meets his dad for the first time in years his dad forces him to fight to the death with Aliens, also he has to live with a penguin.
I feel like the only time we’ll ever get a Trash Taste tangent this long will be when One Piece eventually ends. Assuming Trash Taste doesn’t end first.
They will talk for the whole episode for One Piece. About 2 to 3 hours long. Especially Grant would never shut up about it and Joey would just let him cause he loves it too. Then connor will be sitting in the corner. 😂🤣
Am I the only one who actually was satisfied with EoE? Shinji was given the choice whether to initiate instrumentality or not. And despite his pain, despite his mental situation, he chose individuality and human spirit because he couldn't forget all of the best times he spent with Asuka, Misato, Rei, his friends, and realized that it was ultimately worth it all
I enjoyed EoE ending way more. It at least felt like a definite and well defined ending. 4.0 felt like a middle finger to the fans because it left the ending open to interpretation.
My personal watch was episodes 1-24 of Evangelion and EoE and I feel like EoE ended satisfactorily for me. It feels apocalyptic and final, and doesn't really need much more after that.
@@joesavag what do you mean open to interpretation? Shinji breaks the time loop, destroy reality and creates a new one without EVAs, everyone is sent to their "perfect" version of the world to live happy and he moves on. What is left to interpretation? That is literally a "happy ending". EoE on the other hand is way more ambiguous with it's ending. Everything the op said is correct about Shinji, he got closure and move on...but the world is still almost fucked up beyond repair, people can change but we don't know that. Not everyone will ever leave the fanta river. Every character will have to live knowing what everybody else felt. Every character has to live with what happened, angels and all that. Not everyone can move forward after that. EoE has a lots of ifs and mights after it's ending. It's up to you the viewer to decide wether their ending was happy after the third impact or not for humans.
I always took it as the ending of the TV show is what's happening in Shinji's head and the Ending of Evangelion movie shows you what's happening to the actual world.
@@Squantanamo Did Shinji reject the ending of the show? I thought he still had his moment of self-acceptance but the world was already screwed by that time.
Parts of it, sure, but not all. There is no place for the congratulations scene in EoE, anywhere. It's two very different directions by that point, but definitely some of the earlier scenes in 25 and 26 can be said to happen at the same time.
@@switchgear1379 No he rejects instrumentality, which is why everyone is applauding him at the end of the anime, and then that's when Rei is rejecting instrumentality
I'm with Gigguk here and the Nirvana experience. I came out of that movie feeling ready to move to the next chapter of my life and say goodbye to the past in a positive manner.
I'm literally grateful they took the franchise to rest peacefully. It's not "see you again" or even "we will miss you", it really is a bittersweet farewell. My only hope is that they will be remembered forever, which I will do.
yep I don't know why Garnt said it was unsatisfying, it was basically perfect other than a few small details. The groundwork for everything is there for you to figure it out.
And the 3 endings aren't that hard to explain: - The series ending is like an insecure and depressive teenager having a discussion inside their own head. - The End of Evangelion is like the despair and angst of someone full-in on depression (trying to please everyone else while at the same time trying to rebel but without knowing against who or why) - This last Ending is like the hope and kinda carefree attitude after you've gone through depression. You grow up and you realize that the world won't end tomorrow and there are also genuinely good people that really care about you, even if they aren't able to show it most of the times. I loved how he (Shinji) made piece with Asuka, Rei, his father (his father actually started as an asshole in 4.0 but kinda redeemed itself) and wanted a fresh new start with someone that had no previous baggage with him, and genuinely seemed to just like him for what he was and can be (Mary).
@@icouldntthinkofaname479 I love EoE (it is an Anime masterpiece to me to this day), but to me it kinda was. The reality is that he had diluted everyone into LCL while choosing (for some reason) to be the only one left-out with Asuka for which he had a love/hatred relationship. I get all the Adam and Eve theme like a fresh new start for Humanity, but nowadays it just feels like more of a desperate act to not get hurt and alone himself, instead of facing and deal with reality more than anything else.
@@tnightwolf I highly doubt it's a depressing ending. It'd be kind of stupid on Anno for making a series all about loving yourself and for it to have a depressing ending.
@@icouldntthinkofaname479 It is depressing, kinda. To me it felt like the most positive and "happy" conclusion that a person in depression would come up with. That the world is fucked to shit but maybe there'll be some happiness among all this pain and suffering. 3.0+1.0's ending felt to me as something that someone who has come past their depression would make, as it was so simple yet so profound and cheerful, like a small child who's experiencing all these things again
---Spoilers--- For me, the final struggle added closure to the only character that Shinji had no connection with, yet so desperately tried to please throughout the series, the manga and finally these movies: his father. Gendo is the sole character who wants almost nothing to do with Shinji (except insofar as using him to get back to Yui), and him being his father, he should want the MOST to do with his son out of anybody, but Gendo himself feels too terrified and unworthy of raising Shinji without Yui. His failure and cowardice at raising Shinji is a large reason why Shinji has such difficulty with making connections with other people and makes him suicidal (and also so pathetically indecisive that he can't even be counted on to kill himself properly). Shinji talking with his dad about their wants, fears and desires in a Gnostic, extra-dimensional, metaphysical anti-universe in which realities can be imagined to the god-like being's liking (literal headcanons and analysis videos that real-world audience members have) and thereby manifest them is a direct reference to the esoteric principle of manifesting reality through thought (in 3.0+1.0's case, quite literally). Everyone gets a happy ending only through the destruction of the EVA cycle, the very core of what makes EVA, well... EVA. It isn't just about the characters moving on, but the staff, voice cast, the audience and even Anno himself moving on from not just these movies but the EVA series as a whole itself. 3.0+1.0 doesn't just break the fourth wall, it breaks the fifth wall. It's metacathartic, which I've never seen or experienced before in any medium or piece of art until now. The irony of Gendo calling the anti-space they're in the "Logos" while the final act of the film is pure Pathos isn't lost on me. Anno said all he had (and needed) to say and was convincing himself he needed to move on; he just spent millions of dollars and 14 years letting us know why as well. I was smiling with glossy eyes the entire last 20 minutes of the film because I saw what he was doing and appreciated it. It's time to lay the characters to rest and give everyone a "new beginning". I sincerely hope no more EVA products are made because while the film wasn't perfect, it ended the series perfectly. It would be like Toy Story 4 after the perfect ending of 3 (not necessarily a bad film, but an unnecessary one when the characters' stories in that universe are complete in the best way possible). However, I am also aware that Anno is a businessman and will probably allow the property to be added upon by others as he has done so in the past and the canonicity of literally EVERYTHING is made quite apparent by the ending of 3.0+1.0. Either way, as Garnt said, I feel fulfilled at having watched something I didn't really know I needed. EDIT: I think my interpretation makes even more sense now that I know Anno had a bit of an estranged relationship with his father, who felt inadequate at being able to take care of his family (he had an accident that cost him the use of a leg and thus, unable to work), which in a cruel irony, made him less able to connect with them as he self-isolated out of shame and fear, which clearly affected Anno growing up and well into his own adulthood.
This is exactly how I felt, as if I was being torn apart and rebuilt (accidental pun is accidental) from the inside. And this is what I felt was different about the Rebuilds from the other series, the rebuilding part. NGE and EOE, while they did have that tearing apart my soul element, offered me no closure or help. I understood why I was feeling like I was but there was still no help. More than making sense of my condition, it just laid out the things that were hurting me, but 3.0+1.0 actually gave a very powerful solution to all that hurt that NGE and EOE laid out. Which is why it was the best Evangelion series for me and was the one that impacted me the most. I think the perfect EVA series would be something with the length and story progression of NGE, some fighting elements of EoE with the art, redemption and therapy arcs of Rebuild, but all in all 3.0+1.0 was still the most impactful piece of art that I've ever come across myself.
Seeing them run off at the end is such a great message of hope. So many years being broken, now filled with hope and willingness to face the future. It’s never too late to heal.
I feel like the disconnect with Eva is that many people watch it with the wrong mindset. Rather than going down the rabbit hole and trying to make sense of the plot like you would with a normal series, you have to take a step back and look at the message as a whole, which isn't easy to see when you're getting sidetracked by all of the meaningless details like Evas and Angels and Human Instrumentality.
Luckily i watched eva and instantly thought about the series‘ message especially when things started to tumble down and shinji‘s mental health went downhill.
Those details aren’t meaningless. I absolutely love how creative Anno was with the plot and setting. The technology is very cool, the Evas look unique, and the cosmic horror aspects like the black and white moons and the spears are interesting. I went down the rabbit hole because I enjoyed it and understood shinji’s character on first watch but needed to understand the plot to focus on what was happening on screen. On my second viewing of the series I got to really appreciate the fight scenes and all of the character dynamics by knowing the full context of the plot, making the experience even better than the first time.
I think the worst critique of Eva is that Shinji is too "whiny". Shinji is a very young boy dealing with serious trauma, surrounded by people unwilling or unable to help him, asked to do psychologically demanding things by those same people. Its obviously impossible to relate to Shinji's exact experiences, but to dismiss them outright is damaging. It's why people in the real world have such a hard time communicating with each other. My advice whenever I recommend Eva is to let it be what it is, and not to expect from it what YOU want it to be.
People are making him expendable as a child soldier (child labor), feeling the heat of the sun through laser projectiles, the breaking of his bones, and the tearing off of his limbs... he feels what the Evas feel.. And yet... his dad is sacrificing him like he is disposable. So fricked if you think about it.
The critique of him being whiny is because he never tries to do anything. He just does it so daddy can say good job and if he doesn’t then “oh shucks” If pretty much reflects the negative traits of someone without any of the positive ones
I can't put it into words how much I loved the last movie. 3.0+1.0 cured my depression (more accurately, depressive state, explained in P.S. below) of more than five years, and since the day I watched it I'm feeling better and more and more good things are happening to me all of a sudden. I resonated so much with Shinji in it and seeing him happy in the end was the trigger that I needed to accept the fact that I could be happy myself as well, regardless of my past trauma. Anno and Eva in no uncertain terms changed my life in an instant, and though I feel melancholic at the end of it all, I'm content and happy that Anno was able to share the story that he wanted to share all along. Thank you Anno and Eva for the memories and for saving my life. Goodbye, all of Evangelion! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ P.S. Please mind that I use the word "depression" very differently than it's clinical definition. I wasn't ever clinically diagnosed for it for a number of reasons, the symptoms that I experienced were in line with it, but of course since I wasn't ever diagnosed, I can't speak to the experience of those suffering with clinical depression. Eva was an outburst of a traumatized person and I resonated with that, and that was enough of a trigger for me to get myself out of that mental state. And it probably will not be so for anyone else. I had help from my friends all along this process, please if you feel that you're in a similar condition then it's most important that you reach out and seek help, whether it be from your friends or a clinical professional. It will, and it does get better, this state causes an aversion to seeking help but that is what you must do, because no matter what your troubled mind says to you, you're a precious human being who has to live their life to its fullest.
Look, man. Depression is never cured but it does go away for as long as it can. I'm glad you enjoyed the movie. I felt the same way when I watched End of Eva. It didn't "cure" me but it definetly put things into perspective about how I was feeling. Living life to the fullest with people you love and who care about you is what really fights depression.
@@willpoweramv I know man, I feel the same. I kinda used the word in a different sense as I wasn't able to find a word that fit it perfectly. I know this thing is no joke and in no way should someone think that movies or media should be the preferred cure. That and I never got it checked professionally, even though I'm dead sure that regardless I'd have been diagnosed as such. But I do know that that isn't the case and that how things transpired for me are very specific and shouldn't be repeated with the same intent. But even then I can't deny that whatever the mode of it's working was, it put me out of that deep dark state that I was in for most of my teens and 20s. I do think that deep down I wanted to get out of the state that I was in and that seeing a visual depiction of someone getting out was the trigger. But yes, personal conviction, support and professional help are the only things that'll make this feeling go away
@@Exel3nce I can see why one wouldn't believe what I said but I know what happened to me. I could feel the change as suddenly as the credits rolled in. I felt my guilt and my insecurities wither away as I contemplated for a few minutes after the movie ended. Seeing Shinji like that wad the thing that did for me as I almost had the same problem set as he did
Joey going to see 4.0 is the same as every person who went "yeah, it's been years...but I think I remember most of Twin Peaks," right before The Return came out.
The new EVA movie series had a very emotionally cathartic ending. Gotta agree with Garnt with how transcendent it leaves you. If I was to describe how 4.0 ended the series, it's like riding a train that's hurtling extremely fast, then you passing out, and you wake up to a gentle stop to the end of the tracks that's right by the beach with your closest friends waiting with a cold one.
@@telefrag. Because it's a doujin with a cool story. Stop trying to look at it as a good story with sex, and realise what it actually is. Then it has quality.
That's my point. Stop looking at it as a normal story and realise it's just a doujin with a rare, high effort plot. It's not claiming to be profound literature.
Episode 26 is the best ending of Evangelion. If you don't enjoy seeing Shinji, the most miserable person of all time, genuinely smile and emerge from his suicidal depression then I don't know what will make you happy.
Don't know about you but I am not going to watch 25 episodes of a depressed boy mentally destraut or getting worse just to see him smile at the end and go "worth it", I am not that much of a masochist. It reminds me of Naruto fans when they try to defend the series treatment of it's main character with "when Naruto finally shows his resolve...".
I finished 3.0 + 1.0 less than ten minutes ago and it was so satisfying. I’ll say this with the risk of sounding incredibly stupid, but the ending filled me with so much happiness and genuine hope for the future that i cried. I didn’t expect to have such a profound impact on me but here we are! For the first time in years i haven’t been afraid of the future all thanks to an overly-confusing but amazing anime.
"Why do you think I dont connect with Evangelion" - 19:33 Early in the interview "That sounds awesome" in response to Sinjii needing to get in the robot and fight. There is such a big disconnect between seeing what action movies/anime normalize and what a 14 year old kid would actually do, that people can only connect with the fantasy of what fighting in a giant robot would be like for a kid. If you think about how a kid would react in that situation, it becomes a lot easier to resonate with Eva.
I can’t resonate with it cuz 1. I don’t have daddy issues and 2. All of the characters just feel bland. No one tries to overcome anything which is what makes them all feel really stupid. None of the characters develop at all, the plot is built up pretty well and then turns into an utter shitshow.
@@wavez4224 Your fist point is kind of irrelevant. For the 2nd, the characters certainly do develop, but as you point out they dont always overcome what you want them to. The success or failure of each character to overcome also changes depending on the ending (TV or EOE)
@@unlisted9144 I feel like Evangelion portrays it's evens so accurately. Like you said, the characters progress but don't always succeed in what they do. It's the most realistic outcome because in real life 'fate' doesn't give a shit whether you succeed or not. You either swim or sink and 'fate moves on. It doesn't wait for you or makes sure that you do swim. In fiction this is called 'plot armor'. Obviously Evangelion still utilises plot armor but also incorporates endings where plot armor isn't used and the character is killed off regardless of their progression arc.
Anno wasn't dissatisfied with the ending. He's come out and said he didn't think the series needed anything but the TV ending. It also wasn't that bad bc budget, that's a myth, it's because Anno kept rewriting the ending so they didn't have enough time to animate.
That's a common misconception with most anime trainwrecks. It's almost never the budget that leads to shotcuts, recap episodes or drops in quality. It's almost always running out of time before the episode needs to be submitted for the air date.
@@thabokgwele5268 Yeah, that was why eoe was so depressing. It was like oh you want another ending? Well look, now it's depressing. Whatever you wanna say about it, having your characters just announce their feelings is bad writing imo.
Anno's opinions are fucking dumb sometimes, has to be said. Artistically, EoE is the best thing he's ever produced. Sucks that fans put him in such a dark place for it to happen, but now he's happy I can say thank god for Eva that he did make it. Rebuilds can get fucked IMO though, hated their writing. Such a tragic mess, waste of their budgets and potential, just dumbed down, convoluted crap that will lose its appeal quickly now they're over. Certainly I don't expect people in 25 years to still be talking about Rebuild the same way as NGE and EoE.
So..... Evabridged 5.0? (Also, I loved the way Pandoraherself voice acted Maya and delivered all of that technobabble. I felt like 3.0 + 1.0 was so dense with jargon it was practically parodying this.
But we see so much of 14-15 year olds going on these crazy adventures and that's how Connor is thinking about it because that's what he's seen so far. part of why eva was so revolutionary was because anno broke that stereotype and basically showed what would happen realistically to a power fantasy.
15:55 Here is a comparison for Connors monkey brain. Put a 14 year old boy into a tank and tell him to go to war. Will he be happy about it or will he start screaming and crying for his parents?
"I was under the impression that it was gonna be some form of interesting take on like, being a teenager and struggling with mental health issues." I think it was very much about struggling with mental health issues, but not just in the story/plot but through how it was made.
I'm very lucky to have experienced these movies with 'an expert' as in, my friend who has watched all Evangelion related things she could get her hands in and probably read everything she could too. She read the manga, she could tell me all sorts of nice little trivia things like 'the angel was supposed to be that black cat' etc. kinds of things So it was really cool when I could just go "?" and she'd be able to explain It was amazing
As someone who says Eva is their favorite show, I think one of the things I really got from the final movie was that at the end of the day, Eva is just a show, it isn’t the most important thing in your life, your life outside of Eva is what’s most important. It’s not something you should fight and argue over. Also I think the Rebuilds isn’t so much a cash grab (that’s probably part of it), but also Anno’s feelings towards Eva’s reputation as a whole; wanting to change things, wanting to make things satisfying for his audience, but that leads him into making things that he’s unhappy with hence the hiatus. I think that’s what makes all the call backs in the final movie so satisfying, he’s embraced what already exists in Eva before saying goodbye.
So what you're saying is it required an inferior work to break the spell of Eva for you to move on? Imma pass on that, Rebuilds do nothing for me but frustrate with bad writing. I'm thankful for how superb the originals were, but I don't feel hung up on them either. EoE was definitive for me in 1997, and nothing's come along since with the same power.
@@AllThingsCubey If you think the Rebuilds suck, that’s fine, I don’t think it sucks and that’s fine too. I personally think both endings held a different power for me; EOE got to me as a person and Eva 4.0 got to me as an Eva fan.
I’m aware Eva is just a show. The only reason I argue about and defend it is because it’s a show that hit me on a personal level that no other show has so far. I’ve spent a few years feeling how Shinji felt, believing that everyone around me hated me, that I probably deserved it, that I was incapable of doing any good, that everyone would be better off without me. I got into the series because I loved things like Power Rangers as a kid, but when it got into the last 2 episodes, it didn’t matter that the narrative stopped dead in it’s tracks, I felt personally called out and confronted by what I was being shown, even more so in End of Eva. It made me think about the way I looked at the world. When I see people dismiss this show as meaningless, it’s hard to detach myself from it, hard not to feel like they’re saying my history with the show and my history with depression are somehow invalid. I know that’s not what they’re saying, but I can’t help but want to argue nonetheless.
@@pjdougherty6442 Can't argue with that. Eva means a lot to me too, connecting with the characters and what they stand for, how much I relate to their struggles. Yeah sometimes it's hard not to argue with people because of how special it is to you, I also get carried away, but I also have to remind myself that it's not for everyone. But I think people should also realize that's it's not healthy to attack others for liking something, and vice versa. Your feelings are valid man.
I’d recommend watching the recent documentary with Anno. To achieve his vision he will put everyone through hell right up to the deadline. When they’ve finished making the final movie the staff all watch it in a private theatre together yet Anno won’t because he never watches them once he’s done with them. He’s a really difficult person to understand which is probably why Eva is so difficult to understand 🤷♀️
It's not that crazy that some creators don't wanna watch their creation cause they will get too critical of themselves again lol a lot like the self loathing you see characters go through in Eva
End of Evangelion was the original planned ending but as was said it was made different because of time scheduling and budget. I know this because in Ep 24, the preview for Ep 25 shows the Asuka Vs Eva series fight and the misato and Shinji scene with the elevator.
@@AllThingsCubey @ThePeople'sPanzer I mean it is necessary. Ep 25 gives insight into the other character's mindset during human instrumentality. Like Misato reacting to Shinji seeing the side of her with Kaji.
yep you can even see stuff like Asuka in the lake and Gendo and Rei starting instrumentality in ep 25. They clearly moved around some stuff and made compromises because of budget. End of Eva is the ending to the anime, but the last 2 episodes of the anime are like an extension of what's going on during instrumentality. And the ending of ep 26 is what happens right before Rei rejects instrumentality because of Shinji.
4.0 is Anno's mic-drop on Eva, on the real world, on what it means to Anno to be a human individual who one day will die and Anno's conclusions on that fact as well as his thoughts of cycles, rebirth, etc.
when i finished eva thrice upon a time, i felt relieved in a way, and it was strange because i was sure i'd be hurt, but that wasn't the case, anno really did smth with that last movie man, and whether or not people like it, it was great in many ways, eva is and always will be my favourite anime, and that's because at the time i was going through stuff, and really i could just relate, it felt like i was shinji, it felt like anno meant for something like this to happen, and honestly he's a genius, he got so many people hooked on that series, and even though i'm happy with the ending, i still hope for the franchise to continue, because in the world of eva anything can happen. I haven't read the manga for eva yet, but i'm planning on buying the volumes, then re-watching the movie for a greater understanding of anno's work. And man what else is there to say, this series beat down my previous favourite. rn i'm working my way towards my dream of reaching Japan, i've been thinkking about it for about 1-2 years, but never took it into consideration, And only about 6 months ago, i realised that if i want to do this, i have to do it now, since i'm in the final year of middle school. I'm 15 years old, i live in Denmark, so instead of starting high school at 15, we start it at 16. You guys really inspire me, i also one day want to be like you, i as well want to inspire others and give them hope. I try my best to support the Anime and Manga industry, because i simply love it, it's a beautiful work of art, and it's made me feel so many countless and different types of emotions over the past 3 years. I'm sorry that this message is that long, but i just kinda felt like expressing my emotions, and also, you guys keep up the great work, i'll always support you in anyway i can, and that's about all for now, so goodbye :)
I enjoyed the Rebuild series because it became whole circle about the growth of Shinji as a character. "4.0" Thrice Upon a Time is called so, because it's the third choice and ending to the series in which all the events up to then as cannon but alternate timelines occurred because of the subsequent choices made by Shinji AND how that affected everyone else. Basically Shinji couldn't have chosen the last choice and matured as a character without going through the shit before.
I think it’s safe to say that the original Eva (and EoE) is a representation of human emotions and the effects humans can have on one another. The symbolism is an important part though. If Connor watched and perceived the movie as is without thinking about the overall meaning, he’s missing the part that is most important to people and what fans find most appealing. .
Joey and Garnt sound like religious fanatics trying to describe their faith to an agnostic (Connor). "But once you experience it, you'll know! And the truth will set you free!" It's okay, I'm an actual religious fanatic. I just happen to also be self aware! Lol
Yeah but the problem is you literally CANNOT experience Eva if you have not grown up with the show. Binge watching it after 26 years won't really impress anyone really.
@@abhijitpadhi625 It's not true. Recently, I showed Evangelion to my 28-year-old brother. He doesn't understand much of it, but he enjoys it a lot and plans to watch it all over again.
@@abhijitpadhi625 that's not entirely true, I recently watched the Evangelion franchise as a whole and even if it was a small change I can tell you for sure my life has changed from watching the franchise and no other anime franchise has ever impacted me in the very same way that Evangelion has. God bless Anno for making it and I mean this from the bottom of my heart. -Sincerely, an actual religious fanatic who also happens to love Evangelion.
@@abhijitpadhi625 Sure, growing up with Eva would definitely help you experience it better, but I think it’s more about your mental state going into the show. Like Garnt said he hated Eva the first two watch through, but when he rewatched a third time at a low point in his life, he suddenly related much more.
The original Eva series didn't end because of money, they had to ditch the finale at short notice because it's involved a angel worshipping suicide cult attacking a subway, which was a bit too close for comfort to the Aum Shinryoko attacks that happened IRL. So they had to ditch loads of stuff they had already done and come up with something different and Anno channeling his mental health problems into an intense introspective hypnogogic trip was what they could do from what they had.
Take a piece of paper. Draw random violent scribbles in one corner, and write in the other corner "I am a Disaster". The doodle is Evangelion. The phrase is Bojack Horseman. Both mean the same thing but are very different.
I love how you describe the methodology of both media. I think Evangelion is a bit like abstract art in where the artist prioritises the message they're trying to tell more than the art fundamentals.
Having watched the original series for the 1st time recently, i would say that the show is actual really good storytelling. I was quite impressed by the intrigue they were able to build surrounding Angels, Eva, Gendo, Seele, what the conspiracy surrounding second impact is, what Gendo and Seele's motivation are. The flip side of that is alot of stuff doesn't matter by the end. The world building especially aside from the storytelling is great
As a written piece of entertainment I would say Evangelion fails. It doesn't follow a traditional structure, things unexplained, logistical plot holes, vague character motivations, etc. But Eva excels at being resonant. Somehow you are able to relate, able to see yourselves in some or many of the characters. you start to connect the dots in your own way. it's story is so powerful because internally you helped complete it. Evangelion as a written form of entertainment fails, but succeeds as a message to those who receive it.
I honestly believe that the Eva manga deserves a lot more attention, it’s actually easier to understand then the original and the ending is way more satisfying then end of Eva or the original ending. I have to say, the manga is like a simpler and more easily understandable version of the original series, and I personally think that it is essential reading for any Eva fan. I read it alongside the rebuild movies and I have to say I think without it I wouldn’t have been as satisfied with the ending of 4.0. Overall every piece of media from evangelion is great, the rebuild movies are definitely not perfect however 4.0 provided an ending that has left a profound impact and it was overall an amazing movie. Even though I’m only 18 Eva nevertheless resonated with me greatly, and has definitely become one of my most favourite anime franchises. God bless Hidieki Ano
I enjoyed the Rebuild series especially 4.0. My issue is these scenes where Gendo or characters are just shooting off warped biblical terminology . Gendo wants to see his wife again and he'll turn the whole world into mental jelly to do it.
When Gendo revealed Mari's real surname is Iscariot I audibly rolled my eyes. Just more out-of-the-ass Biblical imagery that made no difference to the story
There's NHK documentary behind 3.0+1.0, Anno literally didn't even have storyboard and everyone just went along with it. But again, even if they just threw BS and called it a day, biblically accurate lore was never the main point of Evangelion, it's the raw expressions being put into artworks.
When I watched the last Eva movie I felt like a part of my life also concluded. What a wild ride. I loved it and felt like I understood most of what happened, but even though I've watched the whole series several times over throughout my life, I still feel like there's more to understand. So I'm gonna keep watching it. Forever. God, I love Eva... Time to buy another Misato figure.
There’s a theory I really like about the naming scheme of these movies. 1.0 is Evangelion as it was. A shot for shot recreation. 2.0 is Evangelion as the fans saw it. Action, fan-service, and hope. 3.0 is Evangelion as Anno wanted it to be. Weird psychological sci-fi nonsense that’s very bleak and depressing. 3.0 + 1.0 is the reconciliation of Evangelion as it was and Evangelion as Anno wanted it to be. Personally my favorite piece of Eva content.
Bruh made me bawl my eyes out finally Shinji was given peace and a life of love and support- 😞 sad we'll never get anything like this again ༼;´༎ຶ ༎ຶ༽
It was a trip, but it really felt like the series finally got over the depression by the end of it. Finally Shinji's actions made sense. Finally the characters got explored in a proper way. Finally we get a Rei that does more than stand there so Shinji can get motivated. Finally we get why Asuka ever even liked Shinji. So many resolutions. And well, I don't know what the fuck that ending was but it looked cool.
I don't think I'd recommend for most people to watch the rebuilds. I think the original series + The end of Eva is a must watch but I'd recommend the rebuilds only for people who enjoyed Eva and want more.
I'd say if you really enjoyed NGE and EoE, don't watch Rebuild. They're a mainstream insult to the originals as far as I'm concerned, dumbed down, worse characters, shitty CGI and a way less memorable soudtrack, way less memorable visuals, and ever increasing techno-babble filler in already crammed runtimes. Rebuild are to be enjoyed drunk with friends or for those who enjoyed some aspects of NGE but didn't like the deeper thinking, darker themes and lack of hand-holding with the conclusions. They're easier, but at the same time worse, with bad pacing and writing throughout, way less impactful meanings, capped off with a token happy ending that feels totally out of place beyond a 4th wall break from Anno. In another 25 years, I don't think anyone's going to be talking about Rebuilds, but NGE and EoE will remain timeless.
@@AllThingsCubey I don't like rebuilds either but if someone really likes Eva chances are he/she wants to see more. People can watch the rebuilds and make their own opinions. They can partake in discussions etc. I don't think they'd ruin the original series for someone, at worst it would prolly just be a waste of time.
@@MultiZymethSK It's more like they soiled the originals for me, by making them no longer feel self-contained, and final. I don't want 3+1 to become known as where Eva ended. I don't think it deserves that.
@@saxenart Not for me. I'd rank it behind the 90s endings but above Rebuild. Couldn't get into the Manga as much because of different characterisation that Sadomoto wanted, and I feel it devalued Asuka, though nowhere near as much as Rebuild did.
I remember watching Eva way back on Adult Swim in like 05 when I was in 5th grade. I just liked it because giant robots. Then I rewatched it in 2015, but I skipped the last two episodes because of everyone shitting on them. I still enjoyed it, but I could tell there was stuff there that I wasn't getting. Same with EoE. Also watched 2.0 & 3.0 in between then. I finally watched through the entire franchise (and that one doujin) right on time for 4.0 and I enjoyed every minute of it. Including episodes 25 and 26 and even 3.0 which I originally didn't like all that much. I also felt like I was starting to "get it" and understand some of what was going on and what Anno was trying to do and say. Won't say I understood every little thing or every bit of symbolism, but I could at least get an idea of what was going on.
I love the refinement of the story which the new Evangelion movies presented. It reminds me of the first time I read Arthur C Clarkes Space Odyssey series and noticed the revisions he made between books to better reflect both scientific accuracy and incorporate new backstory elements to add to each character's depth. It takes incredible integrity as a creator to make a new iteration of your work and present it to the public.
OMG thank you for having this, I've been living off of other reactions, reviews, and analysis videos on Evangelion as a whole to deal with the post-Eva depression.
IMO, the first series of Eva had a perfect ending for me and needed no further explanation. I know it came from budget restrictions, but I love how it sets up this whole world and at the end it kinda says screw it all and focuses on the emotional part of the story and characters. Even though it came form restrictions, it felt really original and brave to do something like that. Having just watched the 4 movies in a week, I feel like the last 2 entries only added really long fights scenes(and even though well animated, kinda boring) more convolution to something that in my mind had a really interesting unique ending from the first season. That being sad, I watched the series when I was going through a really difficult time in my life, and I think that watching it without having those kinds of life experience really makes it difficult to connect to the series and I understand the whole criticism it gets
I watched the series when I was 16 I believe. I binge watched it over a few days and I was extremely hooked. The ending of the series made me cry when I watched it the first time, probably because I just really had similiar emotions to the characters. End of Eva was pretty amazing visualy but I didn't really know what actually was going on so it left me a bit more confused, I still liked the action of it. So I was not actually really satisfied watching either of the endings to the series but I really liked them both regardless. As I said probably because it just hit me on a personal level at the time.
The title 3.0+1.0 is symbolic of the post-(Near) Third Impact world combined with the eventual creation of a "new beginning" for these characters, represented by the 1.0, which itself is a wink-wink nudge-nudging to the literal translation of the Greek "Neon Genesis" from the original series. It is the EVA cycle finally NOT repeating itself, which sadly and happily gives us and the characters closure encouraging us to start a new beginning of our lives.
Whenever I introduce Eva to someone, I ALWAYS recommend watching END of Evangelion. I loved watching Eva growing up but End of Eva was what made it EPIC for me.
You guys are literally explaining it to him wrong. End of Evangelion it THE ending, not alternate. The rebuilds are just that, rebuilds. Different story, but that doesn't change the ending.
@@RuffledOnTime What do you mean? That they're sequels in a literally they came after EoE? Because if so that's not true. The rebuilds are a continuous story to EoE. This information isn't directly told but you can find the connections. 3.0+1.0 confirms it.
@@invoicequaint I mean they are a different story within the same universe. Eoe was a still a conclusion to neon genesis Evangelion. They are only sequels in the way they are a new part of the story that takes place afterward, but they don't continue the story because eoe was a conclusion.
@@RuffledOnTime EoE was a conclusion at the time, but not anymore. EoE was an attempt at a conclusion, but Evangelion continued and 3.0+1.0 concluded it fully.
ENDING, development, story, and message (basically everything) of EOE, Manga, Serie, Genocide, Retake>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gekijouban (the movies are not even captioned as rebuilds in japanese, so those titles in each movie are nonsense at the end of the day )
19:38 Joey said it all! Thats exacly what happened to me, Eva has so much hype backing it up and to someone that never heard of it and had zero clue about what it is my expectation where shattered. I just knew that it is a "classic" and a "masterpiece of its time". I went with the expectation of mind-blowing storytelling, some good action and good character intersections and what I got was zero understanding of wtf is going on, good action and characters so shit I felt genuine hatred towards them. Eva is confusing, disturbing and still a must watch, nothing really compares to it, I wouldn't say you have to watch it bc its good. You need to watch it, and you probably wont like it. But you need to.
For me the biggest mystery in 3.0+1.0 is mari's age she knew gendo before and she was also friends with yui(shinji's mom) and yet she's still a damn 14 year old🙃
yeah but she should be the same age gendo because the eva's were not made yet until gendo was in his mid 20's when yui died and it's not confirmed if she's a clone like asuka and rei
The scene when they travel inside the studio Behid the studio dimension fight +Shunji waiting isnide the studio and it's empty That was point it really started to feel
I haven't seen it yet but the way you guys are describing it sounds a bit like a David Lynch movie. Where, the plot doesn't really follow logic, but it's more about the experience of the story and the emotional journey along with the characters. There isn't a message or theme, it just sort of is what it is. And it doesn't have to be a pretentious thing either, it's just something a little different from what we usually watch.
I started really getting into Anime this year. I mean having watched 100 shows in 9 months into. In January I started with movies as I thought it would ease me into it (it did). After that, the first show I watched was NGE. I thought it was pretty good and the ending + movie were experiences. Then around May I watched the rebuild series which was a bit underwhelming. So comes 3.0+1.0 and I thought it was the best thing to come from the series. Felt like it was a proper ending that was so well rounded. Looking back, the more time went on the better it got and this ending was probably a big reason for this realization. I’ll always cherish it and hold it close even though I’m not one of those people that legit grew up with it for so long.
Damm boi 100 shows in 9 months. I started watching anime 3 years ago and finishing naruto took me almost a year but it was worth it .i think i have watched around 60 shows
@@shariqueraza4409 damn! I’m actually watching Naruto in November so that should be fun I think only the first part unless I can somehow fit the second part into there
I have been an Evangelion fan since 1999 until today I think I have seen and read all the ¨cannon¨ and none cannon material, even the Re-take. Don´t get my wrong I´m still sad since this has been part of my life for so long, but I really loved seeing the ending of this long journey.
Neon Genesis Evangelion nearly drove me to suicide. Seeing Shinji suffering is like seeing myself suffer, because at one point in time I was almost exactly like him, especially back in 10th grade when I was bullied to the brink of suicide. I simply cannot tolerate watching Eva. I felt forced to relive my trauma upon viewing it. I’m deathly afraid of it. Twice I had a nightmare where I saw myself as Shinji choking Asuka and starting the Third Impact. I’ve been struggling with this newfound depression ever since. I was obsessed with the series for over a year to try and outwit the isolation of the Coronavirus pandemic. It only increased the burden, and kept the memory of my friend’s recent suicide alive. Watching the End of Evangelion was like peering into a broken mirror, and I was viewing the hell I would’ve put myself through had things turned out differently, had I decided to give up living. It still haunts me to this day. Sometimes I hate myself because I fail to appreciate what so many have claimed to idolize, and I beat myself further for failing to worship what they call praiseworthy, I forced myself to watch a show that reminded me of nothing but pain just so I wouldn’t be alone anymore, I was willing to sacrifice my individuality for some company amidst the isolation of the pandemic. I sought emotional refuge in the Evangelion fandom on social media, hoping they’d understand me and provide me with answers that would grant me peace of mind. Instead, they downplayed my trauma, going so far as to spread a rumor of my past to shame me of my mental illness, spiraling me deeper into depression, which I’ve been struggling with for over a year now. I just want Shinji to be happy, so this past self of mine can be laid to rest once more. I’m afraid to decouple myself from him after losing my friend to suicide, which Eva made me feel responsible for, especially when I saw Shinji kill Kaworu, of which I fail to understand how anyone can call it praiseworthy. Until then, I feel nothing else matters. There’s a reason why I keep coming back to Evangelion; something that reminds me of nothing but pain. I want to prove to myself I’m not crazy for feeling this way, that Evangelion really did force me to relive my trauma, that my depression is not just a figment of my imagination or another anime plot point. I want to feel that my fear and resentment towards Eva is justified. But the fact I’m the only one I know in existence who’s been traumatized by an anime makes me feel like I really am crazy. Whenever I feel this way, there’s something I remind myself with. But finally, with 3.0+1.0 released, I can rest easy knowing that Shinji has finally reached the light at the end of the tunnel. Evangelion is finished, and I want it to remain that way. But if things hadn’t turned out that way, I wouldn’t be here today.
Ok idk why people are really unsatisfied with the tv series ending... Like the ending to Eva was more about Shinji than the plot...and honestly to see Shinji coming to terms with all the problems hes facing mentally at the end...was fulfilling. Tho it is true that it did not really feel like the true ending
But 3.0+1.0 isn't hard to understand, the events are absolute nonsense but that's on purpose, because none of it matters. It's like Anno wanted the viewer to completely zone out of the biblical bullshit so they can just pay attention to the characters.
It's been months and I think I finally know how to properly explain EVA. *It's like learning and experiencing the feeling of being hallowed out and being filled back in.* The last ending scene is literally what fulfillment means.
I relate to Garnt's take so much. After all this time, all I wanted was some sort of closure for this story and, while the last movie (and the rebuild movies in general) was nowhere near perfect, it did gave me that sense of "finally, this is it."
Watched eva tv series as a kid, didn’t understand it. Then rewatched this year, as a 30 something. Then I immediately watched the old movies/end of eva. Felt a bit better about the end but still confused. Watched the new movies- not sure if I’m satisfied but honestly don’t know how else it could end.
Recently I fell into NGE, I've watched through all of the original show on Netflix alongside End of Eva, I've watched the rebuild series twice because Thrice came back to theaters, and read through the yoshiyuki manga based on the original series. I've very much enjoyed the series, but in the original I was so close on quitting watching it only because the middle is where you kinda lose interest over time, but somehow the start and endings of every version are just so captivating to the point you realize "wait this IS good." I felt odd with the original shows ending, I still need to rewatch it and take notes on it to keep it fresh, but to my memory it was just boring at the end, but when I watched End of Eva I was hooked on it and still am. How I went about was the best way to do it, just watching it without consulting the internet for answers and just making my own ideas and theories as I went along and it still feels satisfying on rewatches seeing something new and finding all the connections, for example like Marduk in the manga as the organization over the school shinji is transferred to, and that they make sure there are as many eva pilot replacements as need be. The rebuild lost me as soon as Mari got introduced, she's in the ending of the Yoshiyuki manga, but she just kinda left a sour taste in my mouth. The small changes made in the rebuild series also kinda hurt, like the dummy plug incident with a different pilot sets the narrative away from the classmates, and whenever the classmates are to be brought into the plot in the original, the scenes were just skipped. I watched the rebuild with my dad, by Thrice he didn't know who Kensuke or Toji were. As soon as I watched Thrice though I got recaptivated into the series. Right now I'm taking notes and going back through the series. I want to make a constructive journey video and giving incite from someone that is just slightly an anime fan. To put it simple, NGE is both the most fantastic series to watch, and the most "mid" series ever, but the finales are where everything just flips a switch in your mind. Preferably, I enjoyed the original more over the rebuild, the only thing the rebuild has better is the fact we get to see the characters grow up.
Honestly, it's true, I don't watch a lot of stuff because I usually don't want to watch stuff to enjoy it, and if I do- it's with another person usually, I watch things for the experience, the insight, that window into a whimsical place of wonder, like a bird's eye view so alien and refreshing from mine, it's like it's feeding my insatiable hunger for those shows that are just so raw and conveys the creators perspective in it
Gotta say I really am partial to the End of Evangelion. I think the ending to that movie is honestly really hopeful, if only in a very dark and twisted, very orange, sort of way.
The guy in green shirt watching Evangelion for the first time in 2021 must have had a different feeling than some people like me that watched the series when it first came out back in the 90s around that time we never had anime like that and took the scene by storm
Gotta disagree with Garnt on this, I thought EoE was a satisfying ending. Wrapped the series in a nice bow, gave the crowd who wanted a concrete ending (not a metaphysical one), a legitimate “this is what physically happens to the world and the characters” type of ending, and gave the 2deep4u crowd more bones to chew. Atleast It was perfect until the rebuild movies, that is.
By rating Eva only a 7/10, Connor is outing himself as an emotionally stable person
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I mean that's not something to be shamed for lol
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Yeah I could never rate Eva only a 7 out of 10 on any of them. Every single one of them from theseries to the movies for me are at least an 8.
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That scene where Shinji says "bye" to Rei, and they're literally standing on a set piece/in a studio, I always like to interpret that as Hideaki Anno breaking the fourth wall and is officially saying "good bye" to this franchise. His demons have been faced, and he has said all that he needs to say.
By the last 3rd of the movie, my brain switched from "watching eva" to "watching Anno's final therapy session". I think the movie is much more interesting and satisfactory if you watch it as the end of his journey as eva's director, rather than Shinji saving the world.
You two must be new here. That's been the MO of Eva the entire time.
Why would he use Rei for that metaphor? Anno forgot Rei existed for half the production of NGE and he admits she is his least favourite character.
@@AllThingsCubey Probably bcs he changed in the years that passed, he seems happier
Bruh, the final struggle is Shinji talking with his dad about their wants, fears and desires in a Gnostic, extra-dimensional, metaphysical anti-universe in which realities can be imagined to the god-like being's liking (literal headcanons and analysis videos that real-world audience members have) and thereby manifest them. Everyone gets a happy ending only through the destruction of the EVA cycle, the very core of what makes the EVA, well... EVA. It isn't just about the characters moving on, but the staff, voice cast, the audience and even Anno himself moving on.
3.0+1.0 breaks the fifth wall. It's metacathartic, which I've never seen or experienced before. I agree with you, Anno said all he had (and needed) to say. I was smiling with glossy eyes the entire last 20 minutes of the film.
I always sorta hate the whole 'I would get into the EVA unlike whiny shinji' take because for whatever reason everyone forgets the whole, 'You feel the damage the EVA takes' part of the situation.
They also forget about the couple of times Angels used psychological attacks on the pilots.
They also forgot Shinji is literally a fatherless child pretty much
the thing is yes it hurts if you get hit, then Git Gud!!
"Just get good bro"
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@@andychua2766 Technically, he is motherless. He still have father, kinda.
I think, after watching the OG series and EOE on Netflix, and out of every analysis video i've watched. My (personal) favorite interpretation of the series' message comes from a toy review channel, and it's "Life can be hard, but it doesn't have to be hell, as long as you put in the time and effort to make something good of a bad thing"
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The fact that Connor never got to relate to Shinji means he had a relatively happy childhood.
I doubt the other two can relate.
damn I had the exact same though
I think the average kid doesn't relate with shinji
You people who can't relate to Shinji had a happy childhood. That's cool. Wanna know a reason why Evangelion became successful the way it is during its time? Because there were people who related to Shinji Ikari.
@@kuroshinko427 I think there were more people who didn't relate to shinji than related to him
Anno making Eva : otaku needs to go outside and live their life instead of being shut-in
Eva : becomes most popular and influential franchise in otaku culture
Anno : No, this isn’t how you’re supposed to play the game
If that was his goall; his Theme, he is an awful artist. Because that idea not communicated well.
@@sonicboomers122 I don't watch eva but that was my understanding
@@sonicboomers122 look at this youtube hero, saying one of the most influential and successful creators of all time is an "awful artist" 😂
@@juniorrc5479 Most influential and successful creators because he catered to Otaku Culture
@@sonicboomers122 Or otakus are just such sexual deviants that any commentary will go over there head.
It’s funny that they compare Bojack and Shinji, because I’ve seen more people feel sorry and even love Bojack, a 50 year old mentally abusive alcoholic narcissist, and absolutely despise Shinji, a 14 year boy who’s been neglected, emotionally detached and is frightened when out in life threatening situations. Yes Shinji was whiny, but I really never understood the hate he got. As if you wouldn’t be scared fucking shitless if you were in his position.
The main reason people don't like Shinji is because he barely seems to emote, when he does it is to cry or throw a tantrum. His sulky attitude pisses people off.
Frankly speaking, it should not be hard to create a sympathetic child character. But Eva's numerous portrayals of Shinji totally fail to do this. Even some internal dialogue might fix him.
Idk, I just don't like Shinji.
@@pax6833 you're not supposed to like shinji as he is in the series because he is in a terrible state, have sympathy for him sure, but not like him. the one you're supposed to like is the shiji that emerges at the end of the series, having accepted himself.
I think a large part of that is that the show refuses to explain his behavior and mental state in a straightforward way. It’s always symbolically through the angel fights, or obfuscated with long psychological monologues. Even in the rebuild movies, his actions are explained somewhat but sarcastically by Asuka. People expect someone like Shinji to act in a nonrealistic way because that’s what the genre/anime in general made them expect.
But refusing to simply explain Shinji also deepens the artistic cohesion of the show as well. A show like Bojack can more straightforwardly explain itself without being cheap because it’s in large part a comedy I think, but I would to rewatch it to make a better point
It's the same reason why people don't want to admit they have personal issues. It's like looking yourself at a mirror when you are going throw a dark phase. I remember I also hated him when I was a depressed teenager, but years later I started feeling more sympathy towards him as I got better, because you have a better understanding about what he is going through
@@pax6833 oh no I wonder how real people process trauma, surely they don't cry right? shinji isn't even supposed to be likeable but people literally just hate him for reacting appropriately that's kinda weird
Eva is Connor's worst nightmare of a series. He said he doesn't even like reading books because they have too much subtext
It not really subtile. Its good at what it does but its not really subtile, it lays very opn how screwed up and being their worst enemy the characters are an struggling, its very much hammered down. Its part of its charm, but i woulnt call it subtile, more a hammy psychologigal drama being an experience.
Psychological dark drama are probably just not his jam.
explains so much
Its boring.
@@marocat4749 It's not hammy at all. Not every story needs to be subtle
Connor: Why's Shinji upset.
The dude has no friends, no family members, is sexual repressed, and lived in a post-apocalypse, also when he meets his dad for the first time in years his dad forces him to fight to the death with Aliens, also he has to live with a penguin.
i think living with a penguin's a good thing though yeah
Pen pen cured my depression, then Anno gave it back and then some.
I feel like the only time we’ll ever get a Trash Taste tangent this long will be when One Piece eventually ends.
Assuming Trash Taste doesn’t end first.
Or when the attack on titan anime ends
when one piece end trust me the whole episode is gonna be about one piece
@@xylan9543 We still got about 5 or 6 years at least so yeah it could happen lol
Or when one of them has another trash food take
They will talk for the whole episode for One Piece. About 2 to 3 hours long. Especially Grant would never shut up about it and Joey would just let him cause he loves it too. Then connor will be sitting in the corner. 😂🤣
Am I the only one who actually was satisfied with EoE? Shinji was given the choice whether to initiate instrumentality or not. And despite his pain, despite his mental situation, he chose individuality and human spirit because he couldn't forget all of the best times he spent with Asuka, Misato, Rei, his friends, and realized that it was ultimately worth it all
I enjoyed EoE ending way more. It at least felt like a definite and well defined ending. 4.0 felt like a middle finger to the fans because it left the ending open to interpretation.
My personal watch was episodes 1-24 of Evangelion and EoE and I feel like EoE ended satisfactorily for me. It feels apocalyptic and final, and doesn't really need much more after that.
@@joesavag what do you mean open to interpretation? Shinji breaks the time loop, destroy reality and creates a new one without EVAs, everyone is sent to their "perfect" version of the world to live happy and he moves on. What is left to interpretation? That is literally a "happy ending".
EoE on the other hand is way more ambiguous with it's ending. Everything the op said is correct about Shinji, he got closure and move on...but the world is still almost fucked up beyond repair, people can change but we don't know that. Not everyone will ever leave the fanta river. Every character will have to live knowing what everybody else felt. Every character has to live with what happened, angels and all that. Not everyone can move forward after that. EoE has a lots of ifs and mights after it's ending. It's up to you the viewer to decide wether their ending was happy after the third impact or not for humans.
I enjoyed EoE way more than Rebuild. The Rebuilds felt more "anime-esque" than the show and EoE.
I always took it as the ending of the TV show is what's happening in Shinji's head and the Ending of Evangelion movie shows you what's happening to the actual world.
And then Shinji rejects the ending of the show and ends up on the shore with Asuka
@@Squantanamo Did Shinji reject the ending of the show? I thought he still had his moment of self-acceptance but the world was already screwed by that time.
@@switchgear1379 if he accepted himself and learned anything he wouldn't have choked Asuka
Parts of it, sure, but not all. There is no place for the congratulations scene in EoE, anywhere. It's two very different directions by that point, but definitely some of the earlier scenes in 25 and 26 can be said to happen at the same time.
@@switchgear1379 No he rejects instrumentality, which is why everyone is applauding him at the end of the anime, and then that's when Rei is rejecting instrumentality
I'm with Gigguk here and the Nirvana experience. I came out of that movie feeling ready to move to the next chapter of my life and say goodbye to the past in a positive manner.
I'm literally grateful they took the franchise to rest peacefully. It's not "see you again" or even "we will miss you", it really is a bittersweet farewell.
My only hope is that they will be remembered forever, which I will do.
"Do I need to watch End of Eva?"
Yes. It's an audio visual masterpiece. You're robbing yourself if you skip it
Yes. It's a masterpiece
yep I don't know why Garnt said it was unsatisfying, it was basically perfect other than a few small details. The groundwork for everything is there for you to figure it out.
@@HearMeLearn he's mad because they weren't talking about JoJo since it seems that's all he cares about 🤷♂️
@@pontoancora Totally and with all the letters.
It not a master piece it trash.
Turns out the "H" in Neon Genesis Evangelion does stand for Happiness.
tHrice upon a time.
@@lucasmorandini7566 truly. A perfect ending
@@lucasmorandini7566 finally , there's a "h"
The H in Thrice ahahhaa
@@lucca3084 bruh ,manga is way better than this shit
And the 3 endings aren't that hard to explain:
- The series ending is like an insecure and depressive teenager having a discussion inside their own head.
- The End of Evangelion is like the despair and angst of someone full-in on depression (trying to please everyone else while at the same time trying to rebel but without knowing against who or why)
- This last Ending is like the hope and kinda carefree attitude after you've gone through depression. You grow up and you realize that the world won't end tomorrow and there are also genuinely good people that really care about you, even if they aren't able to show it most of the times. I loved how he (Shinji) made piece with Asuka, Rei, his father (his father actually started as an asshole in 4.0 but kinda redeemed itself) and wanted a fresh new start with someone that had no previous baggage with him, and genuinely seemed to just like him for what he was and can be (Mary).
So eoe was a depressing ending?
@@icouldntthinkofaname479 I love EoE (it is an Anime masterpiece to me to this day), but to me it kinda was. The reality is that he had diluted everyone into LCL while choosing (for some reason) to be the only one left-out with Asuka for which he had a love/hatred relationship. I get all the Adam and Eve theme like a fresh new start for Humanity, but nowadays it just feels like more of a desperate act to not get hurt and alone himself, instead of facing and deal with reality more than anything else.
@@tnightwolf I highly doubt it's a depressing ending. It'd be kind of stupid on Anno for making a series all about loving yourself and for it to have a depressing ending.
@@icouldntthinkofaname479 the series is hardly about loving yourself. And Anno was actually facing depression himself while doing the series and EoE.
@@icouldntthinkofaname479 It is depressing, kinda. To me it felt like the most positive and "happy" conclusion that a person in depression would come up with. That the world is fucked to shit but maybe there'll be some happiness among all this pain and suffering. 3.0+1.0's ending felt to me as something that someone who has come past their depression would make, as it was so simple yet so profound and cheerful, like a small child who's experiencing all these things again
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For me, the final struggle added closure to the only character that Shinji had no connection with, yet so desperately tried to please throughout the series, the manga and finally these movies: his father. Gendo is the sole character who wants almost nothing to do with Shinji (except insofar as using him to get back to Yui), and him being his father, he should want the MOST to do with his son out of anybody, but Gendo himself feels too terrified and unworthy of raising Shinji without Yui. His failure and cowardice at raising Shinji is a large reason why Shinji has such difficulty with making connections with other people and makes him suicidal (and also so pathetically indecisive that he can't even be counted on to kill himself properly). Shinji talking with his dad about their wants, fears and desires in a Gnostic, extra-dimensional, metaphysical anti-universe in which realities can be imagined to the god-like being's liking (literal headcanons and analysis videos that real-world audience members have) and thereby manifest them is a direct reference to the esoteric principle of manifesting reality through thought (in 3.0+1.0's case, quite literally). Everyone gets a happy ending only through the destruction of the EVA cycle, the very core of what makes EVA, well... EVA. It isn't just about the characters moving on, but the staff, voice cast, the audience and even Anno himself moving on from not just these movies but the EVA series as a whole itself.
3.0+1.0 doesn't just break the fourth wall, it breaks the fifth wall. It's metacathartic, which I've never seen or experienced before in any medium or piece of art until now. The irony of Gendo calling the anti-space they're in the "Logos" while the final act of the film is pure Pathos isn't lost on me. Anno said all he had (and needed) to say and was convincing himself he needed to move on; he just spent millions of dollars and 14 years letting us know why as well. I was smiling with glossy eyes the entire last 20 minutes of the film because I saw what he was doing and appreciated it. It's time to lay the characters to rest and give everyone a "new beginning".
I sincerely hope no more EVA products are made because while the film wasn't perfect, it ended the series perfectly. It would be like Toy Story 4 after the perfect ending of 3 (not necessarily a bad film, but an unnecessary one when the characters' stories in that universe are complete in the best way possible). However, I am also aware that Anno is a businessman and will probably allow the property to be added upon by others as he has done so in the past and the canonicity of literally EVERYTHING is made quite apparent by the ending of 3.0+1.0. Either way, as Garnt said, I feel fulfilled at having watched something I didn't really know I needed.
EDIT: I think my interpretation makes even more sense now that I know Anno had a bit of an estranged relationship with his father, who felt inadequate at being able to take care of his family (he had an accident that cost him the use of a leg and thus, unable to work), which in a cruel irony, made him less able to connect with them as he self-isolated out of shame and fear, which clearly affected Anno growing up and well into his own adulthood.
i'll leave a like because of the effort you put into this comment section...
This is exactly how I felt, as if I was being torn apart and rebuilt (accidental pun is accidental) from the inside. And this is what I felt was different about the Rebuilds from the other series, the rebuilding part. NGE and EOE, while they did have that tearing apart my soul element, offered me no closure or help. I understood why I was feeling like I was but there was still no help. More than making sense of my condition, it just laid out the things that were hurting me, but 3.0+1.0 actually gave a very powerful solution to all that hurt that NGE and EOE laid out. Which is why it was the best Evangelion series for me and was the one that impacted me the most.
I think the perfect EVA series would be something with the length and story progression of NGE, some fighting elements of EoE with the art, redemption and therapy arcs of Rebuild, but all in all 3.0+1.0 was still the most impactful piece of art that I've ever come across myself.
Seeing them run off at the end is such a great message of hope. So many years being broken, now filled with hope and willingness to face the future. It’s never too late to heal.
This guy has watched eva
From what I know, this is his last entry for Eva. I don't know if any other people want to do it, but it won't be him doin the story.
"It's over. It's finally over."
Me after the credits stopped rolling.
No post credit just end
And like that Eva's finally done (for another 10 years)
Isn't there going to be a spin off series?
@@joshuapatrickmejos6465 I hope not. I feel like he’s said everything that needed to be said.
I feel like the disconnect with Eva is that many people watch it with the wrong mindset. Rather than going down the rabbit hole and trying to make sense of the plot like you would with a normal series, you have to take a step back and look at the message as a whole, which isn't easy to see when you're getting sidetracked by all of the meaningless details like Evas and Angels and Human Instrumentality.
Luckily i watched eva and instantly thought about the series‘ message especially when things started to tumble down and shinji‘s mental health went downhill.
Those details aren’t meaningless. I absolutely love how creative Anno was with the plot and setting. The technology is very cool, the Evas look unique, and the cosmic horror aspects like the black and white moons and the spears are interesting. I went down the rabbit hole because I enjoyed it and understood shinji’s character on first watch but needed to understand the plot to focus on what was happening on screen. On my second viewing of the series I got to really appreciate the fight scenes and all of the character dynamics by knowing the full context of the plot, making the experience even better than the first time.
@@SebastianAugust you're just too happy to like it.
There is no message, nor is anything Shown consistend. Its a mess but people try so hard to make it deep
@@Exel3nce go watch your gundam, big boy
I think the worst critique of Eva is that Shinji is too "whiny". Shinji is a very young boy dealing with serious trauma, surrounded by people unwilling or unable to help him, asked to do psychologically demanding things by those same people. Its obviously impossible to relate to Shinji's exact experiences, but to dismiss them outright is damaging. It's why people in the real world have such a hard time communicating with each other. My advice whenever I recommend Eva is to let it be what it is, and not to expect from it what YOU want it to be.
People are making him expendable as a child soldier (child labor), feeling the heat of the sun through laser projectiles, the breaking of his bones, and the tearing off of his limbs... he feels what the Evas feel..
And yet... his dad is sacrificing him like he is disposable.
So fricked if you think about it.
The critique of him being whiny is because he never tries to do anything. He just does it so daddy can say good job and if he doesn’t then “oh shucks”
If pretty much reflects the negative traits of someone without any of the positive ones
@@wavez4224
Don’t expect positive output when all you feed a motherless 14 year is the worst horrors of reality.
I can't put it into words how much I loved the last movie. 3.0+1.0 cured my depression (more accurately, depressive state, explained in P.S. below) of more than five years, and since the day I watched it I'm feeling better and more and more good things are happening to me all of a sudden. I resonated so much with Shinji in it and seeing him happy in the end was the trigger that I needed to accept the fact that I could be happy myself as well, regardless of my past trauma.
Anno and Eva in no uncertain terms changed my life in an instant, and though I feel melancholic at the end of it all, I'm content and happy that Anno was able to share the story that he wanted to share all along.
Thank you Anno and Eva for the memories and for saving my life. Goodbye, all of Evangelion!
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P.S. Please mind that I use the word "depression" very differently than it's clinical definition. I wasn't ever clinically diagnosed for it for a number of reasons, the symptoms that I experienced were in line with it, but of course since I wasn't ever diagnosed, I can't speak to the experience of those suffering with clinical depression.
Eva was an outburst of a traumatized person and I resonated with that, and that was enough of a trigger for me to get myself out of that mental state. And it probably will not be so for anyone else. I had help from my friends all along this process, please if you feel that you're in a similar condition then it's most important that you reach out and seek help, whether it be from your friends or a clinical professional.
It will, and it does get better, this state causes an aversion to seeking help but that is what you must do, because no matter what your troubled mind says to you, you're a precious human being who has to live their life to its fullest.
Mhm sure. Always those exaggerations
Look, man. Depression is never cured but it does go away for as long as it can. I'm glad you enjoyed the movie. I felt the same way when I watched End of Eva. It didn't "cure" me but it definetly put things into perspective about how I was feeling. Living life to the fullest with people you love and who care about you is what really fights depression.
@@willpoweramv I know man, I feel the same. I kinda used the word in a different sense as I wasn't able to find a word that fit it perfectly. I know this thing is no joke and in no way should someone think that movies or media should be the preferred cure. That and I never got it checked professionally, even though I'm dead sure that regardless I'd have been diagnosed as such. But I do know that that isn't the case and that how things transpired for me are very specific and shouldn't be repeated with the same intent.
But even then I can't deny that whatever the mode of it's working was, it put me out of that deep dark state that I was in for most of my teens and 20s. I do think that deep down I wanted to get out of the state that I was in and that seeing a visual depiction of someone getting out was the trigger. But yes, personal conviction, support and professional help are the only things that'll make this feeling go away
@@Exel3nce I can see why one wouldn't believe what I said but I know what happened to me. I could feel the change as suddenly as the credits rolled in. I felt my guilt and my insecurities wither away as I contemplated for a few minutes after the movie ended. Seeing Shinji like that wad the thing that did for me as I almost had the same problem set as he did
@@willpoweramv it is a possibility to get rid of your depression. There are many people who where depressed in the past and are not anymore.
Joey going to see 4.0 is the same as every person who went "yeah, it's been years...but I think I remember most of Twin Peaks," right before The Return came out.
I feel doubly attacked
I can't imagine watching the return without seeing the original recently.
The new EVA movie series had a very emotionally cathartic ending. Gotta agree with Garnt with how transcendent it leaves you.
If I was to describe how 4.0 ended the series, it's like riding a train that's hurtling extremely fast, then you passing out, and you wake up to a gentle stop to the end of the tracks that's right by the beach with your closest friends waiting with a cold one.
Ik this is 8months old
But completely agree with your analogy
"as an Eva fan, you find your own closure"
Glances at Re;take.
A man of culture
Retake is a wish-fullfilment for desperate shippers, an absolute cringefest. I don't see how emotionally mature people could unironically praise it.
@@telefrag. Because it's a doujin with a cool story. Stop trying to look at it as a good story with sex, and realise what it actually is. Then it has quality.
@@AllThingsCubey sex has nothing to do with it. It falls flat on its face in clean version as well.
That's my point. Stop looking at it as a normal story and realise it's just a doujin with a rare, high effort plot. It's not claiming to be profound literature.
Episode 26 is the best ending of Evangelion. If you don't enjoy seeing Shinji, the most miserable person of all time, genuinely smile and emerge from his suicidal depression then I don't know what will make you happy.
Don't know about you but I am not going to watch 25 episodes of a depressed boy mentally destraut or getting worse just to see him smile at the end and go "worth it", I am not that much of a masochist.
It reminds me of Naruto fans when they try to defend the series treatment of it's main character with "when Naruto finally shows his resolve...".
I like both endings, the series ending and the End of Evangelion ending. They make sense and enrich each other by watching both. Internal + External
Someone doesn't have media literature, just admit you have trash ADHD taste and move on. @anelbegic2780
I finished 3.0 + 1.0 less than ten minutes ago and it was so satisfying. I’ll say this with the risk of sounding incredibly stupid, but the ending filled me with so much happiness and genuine hope for the future that i cried. I didn’t expect to have such a profound impact on me but here we are! For the first time in years i haven’t been afraid of the future all thanks to an overly-confusing but amazing anime.
You could say that Eva is rare case of being genuine, Eva is so genuine, it doesn't give any fucks. That's why it's so beloved.
"Why do you think I dont connect with Evangelion" - 19:33
Early in the interview "That sounds awesome" in response to Sinjii needing to get in the robot and fight.
There is such a big disconnect between seeing what action movies/anime normalize and what a 14 year old kid would actually do, that people can only connect with the fantasy of what fighting in a giant robot would be like for a kid. If you think about how a kid would react in that situation, it becomes a lot easier to resonate with Eva.
I can’t resonate with it cuz 1. I don’t have daddy issues and 2. All of the characters just feel bland. No one tries to overcome anything which is what makes them all feel really stupid.
None of the characters develop at all, the plot is built up pretty well and then turns into an utter shitshow.
@@wavez4224 Your fist point is kind of irrelevant. For the 2nd, the characters certainly do develop, but as you point out they dont always overcome what you want them to. The success or failure of each character to overcome also changes depending on the ending (TV or EOE)
@@unlisted9144
I feel like Evangelion portrays it's evens so accurately. Like you said, the characters progress but don't always succeed in what they do. It's the most realistic outcome because in real life 'fate' doesn't give a shit whether you succeed or not. You either swim or sink and 'fate moves on. It doesn't wait for you or makes sure that you do swim. In fiction this is called 'plot armor'. Obviously Evangelion still utilises plot armor but also incorporates endings where plot armor isn't used and the character is killed off regardless of their progression arc.
Anno wasn't dissatisfied with the ending. He's come out and said he didn't think the series needed anything but the TV ending. It also wasn't that bad bc budget, that's a myth, it's because Anno kept rewriting the ending so they didn't have enough time to animate.
Lol wow, he was satisfied with *that* ending?
That's a common misconception with most anime trainwrecks. It's almost never the budget that leads to shotcuts, recap episodes or drops in quality. It's almost always running out of time before the episode needs to be submitted for the air date.
EVA ran out of time, because of the Sarin gas attack as some episodes that are planned are too similar to the terrorist attack.
@@thabokgwele5268 Yeah, that was why eoe was so depressing. It was like oh you want another ending? Well look, now it's depressing. Whatever you wanna say about it, having your characters just announce their feelings is bad writing imo.
Anno's opinions are fucking dumb sometimes, has to be said. Artistically, EoE is the best thing he's ever produced. Sucks that fans put him in such a dark place for it to happen, but now he's happy I can say thank god for Eva that he did make it. Rebuilds can get fucked IMO though, hated their writing. Such a tragic mess, waste of their budgets and potential, just dumbed down, convoluted crap that will lose its appeal quickly now they're over. Certainly I don't expect people in 25 years to still be talking about Rebuild the same way as NGE and EoE.
So..... Evabridged 5.0?
(Also, I loved the way Pandoraherself voice acted Maya and delivered all of that technobabble. I felt like 3.0 + 1.0 was so dense with jargon it was practically parodying this.
I'm convinced the characters were comming up with new names/terminology on the spot during the second half of the movie.
This segment is just the Garnt and Joey show featuring Conner in a corner
"The original ending left everyone unsatisfied.." I beg to differ lel
True, both TV and EoE endings were amazing. Didn't need a Rebuild series, but ey, Anno gonna do Anno.
Same
But we see so much of 14-15 year olds going on these crazy adventures and that's how Connor is thinking about it because that's what he's seen so far. part of why eva was so revolutionary was because anno broke that stereotype and basically showed what would happen realistically to a power fantasy.
15:55 Here is a comparison for Connors monkey brain. Put a 14 year old boy into a tank and tell him to go to war. Will he be happy about it or will he start screaming and crying for his parents?
And then his one living parent says ‘STFU and get in the tank, it’s all I need you for’
I really don’t understand Connor sometimes…that was such a terrible take smh
@@Spazlites You know those edgy kid who think he know everything? That is how you have to see his take.
Historically speaking, he'd use the tank. Do people not know the average age of soldiers in the world?
@@doubleyousee2314 Shinji is not a soldier. He is an 14 year old with abandonment issues.
"I was under the impression that it was gonna be some form of interesting take on like, being a teenager and struggling with mental health issues."
I think it was very much about struggling with mental health issues, but not just in the story/plot but through how it was made.
I'm very lucky to have experienced these movies with 'an expert' as in, my friend who has watched all Evangelion related things she could get her hands in and probably read everything she could too. She read the manga, she could tell me all sorts of nice little trivia things like 'the angel was supposed to be that black cat' etc. kinds of things
So it was really cool when I could just go "?" and she'd be able to explain
It was amazing
1:35 "after the end of eva.... This end of eva"
I love how he corrected himself because there are 2 end of evas😂
I mean no where in the title does it say end of evangelion in 4.0 so he can just say end of eva, it's not confusing
As someone who says Eva is their favorite show, I think one of the things I really got from the final movie was that at the end of the day, Eva is just a show, it isn’t the most important thing in your life, your life outside of Eva is what’s most important. It’s not something you should fight and argue over. Also I think the Rebuilds isn’t so much a cash grab (that’s probably part of it), but also Anno’s feelings towards Eva’s reputation as a whole; wanting to change things, wanting to make things satisfying for his audience, but that leads him into making things that he’s unhappy with hence the hiatus. I think that’s what makes all the call backs in the final movie so satisfying, he’s embraced what already exists in Eva before saying goodbye.
So what you're saying is it required an inferior work to break the spell of Eva for you to move on? Imma pass on that, Rebuilds do nothing for me but frustrate with bad writing. I'm thankful for how superb the originals were, but I don't feel hung up on them either. EoE was definitive for me in 1997, and nothing's come along since with the same power.
@@AllThingsCubey If you think the Rebuilds suck, that’s fine, I don’t think it sucks and that’s fine too. I personally think both endings held a different power for me; EOE got to me as a person and Eva 4.0 got to me as an Eva fan.
I’m aware Eva is just a show.
The only reason I argue about and defend it is because it’s a show that hit me on a personal level that no other show has so far.
I’ve spent a few years feeling how Shinji felt, believing that everyone around me hated me, that I probably deserved it, that I was incapable of doing any good, that everyone would be better off without me.
I got into the series because I loved things like Power Rangers as a kid, but when it got into the last 2 episodes, it didn’t matter that the narrative stopped dead in it’s tracks, I felt personally called out and confronted by what I was being shown, even more so in End of Eva.
It made me think about the way I looked at the world.
When I see people dismiss this show as meaningless, it’s hard to detach myself from it, hard not to feel like they’re saying my history with the show and my history with depression are somehow invalid.
I know that’s not what they’re saying, but I can’t help but want to argue nonetheless.
@@pjdougherty6442 Can't argue with that. Eva means a lot to me too, connecting with the characters and what they stand for, how much I relate to their struggles. Yeah sometimes it's hard not to argue with people because of how special it is to you, I also get carried away, but I also have to remind myself that it's not for everyone. But I think people should also realize that's it's not healthy to attack others for liking something, and vice versa. Your feelings are valid man.
Even if that’s the artist intention, Eva will always be a staple and cult classic so as fans we don’t see it as “just another show”
I appreciate the ending of Thrice Upon a Time for the simple fact that Anno literally told all of us to go touch grass.
I’d recommend watching the recent documentary with Anno. To achieve his vision he will put everyone through hell right up to the deadline. When they’ve finished making the final movie the staff all watch it in a private theatre together yet Anno won’t because he never watches them once he’s done with them. He’s a really difficult person to understand which is probably why Eva is so difficult to understand 🤷♀️
Shinji's voice actor said it best, it ain't Eva without Anno
It's not that crazy that some creators don't wanna watch their creation cause they will get too critical of themselves again lol a lot like the self loathing you see characters go through in Eva
Evangelion is the longest and most expensive therapy session ever put on film.
There are entire generations of weebs that don't see the appeal of Eva because they don't even realize that they grew up in a post-Eva world
tbh there is no reason to if you didnt grew up with it. its a mess
I imagine it’s probably like watching/reading lord of the rings after seeing literally any high fantasy media
@@Taib-Atte not quite
@@Taib-Atte that should have the opposite effect though, it would make you appreciate LOTR more. If you're a fan of fantasy anyway.
@@Exel3nce No it's not.
End of Evangelion was the original planned ending but as was said it was made different because of time scheduling and budget. I know this because in Ep 24, the preview for Ep 25 shows the Asuka Vs Eva series fight and the misato and Shinji scene with the elevator.
Fr. That's the exact same thought I had when I first watched it.
Correct. I have no clue why Anno says the series ending was all it needed/ his intent, because it clearly fucking wasn't, we have evidence otherwise.
@@AllThingsCubey @ThePeople'sPanzer I mean it is necessary. Ep 25 gives insight into the other character's mindset during human instrumentality. Like Misato reacting to Shinji seeing the side of her with Kaji.
yep you can even see stuff like Asuka in the lake and Gendo and Rei starting instrumentality in ep 25. They clearly moved around some stuff and made compromises because of budget. End of Eva is the ending to the anime, but the last 2 episodes of the anime are like an extension of what's going on during instrumentality. And the ending of ep 26 is what happens right before Rei rejects instrumentality because of Shinji.
@@bazinga743 did Misato actually react to Shinji seeing her fucking? What was her reaction?
4.0 is Anno's mic-drop on Eva, on the real world, on what it means to Anno to be a human individual who one day will die and Anno's conclusions on that fact as well as his thoughts of cycles, rebirth, etc.
when i finished eva thrice upon a time, i felt relieved in a way, and it was strange because i was sure i'd be hurt, but that wasn't the case, anno really did smth with that last movie man, and whether or not people like it, it was great in many ways, eva is and always will be my favourite anime, and that's because at the time i was going through stuff, and really i could just relate, it felt like i was shinji, it felt like anno meant for something like this to happen, and honestly he's a genius, he got so many people hooked on that series, and even though i'm happy with the ending, i still hope for the franchise to continue, because in the world of eva anything can happen. I haven't read the manga for eva yet, but i'm planning on buying the volumes, then re-watching the movie for a greater understanding of anno's work. And man what else is there to say, this series beat down my previous favourite. rn i'm working my way towards my dream of reaching Japan, i've been thinkking about it for about 1-2 years, but never took it into consideration, And only about 6 months ago, i realised that if i want to do this, i have to do it now, since i'm in the final year of middle school. I'm 15 years old, i live in Denmark, so instead of starting high school at 15, we start it at 16. You guys really inspire me, i also one day want to be like you, i as well want to inspire others and give them hope. I try my best to support the Anime and Manga industry, because i simply love it, it's a beautiful work of art, and it's made me feel so many countless and different types of emotions over the past 3 years. I'm sorry that this message is that long, but i just kinda felt like expressing my emotions, and also, you guys keep up the great work, i'll always support you in anyway i can, and that's about all for now, so goodbye :)
I enjoyed the Rebuild series because it became whole circle about the growth of Shinji as a character. "4.0" Thrice Upon a Time is called so, because it's the third choice and ending to the series in which all the events up to then as cannon but alternate timelines occurred because of the subsequent choices made by Shinji AND how that affected everyone else. Basically Shinji couldn't have chosen the last choice and matured as a character without going through the shit before.
I think it’s safe to say that the original Eva (and EoE) is a representation of human emotions and the effects humans can have on one another. The symbolism is an important part though. If Connor watched and perceived the movie as is without thinking about the overall meaning, he’s missing the part that is most important to people and what fans find most appealing. .
Joey and Garnt sound like religious fanatics trying to describe their faith to an agnostic (Connor). "But once you experience it, you'll know! And the truth will set you free!"
It's okay, I'm an actual religious fanatic. I just happen to also be self aware! Lol
they're evangelicals to evangelion
Yeah but the problem is you literally CANNOT experience Eva if you have not grown up with the show. Binge watching it after 26 years won't really impress anyone really.
@@abhijitpadhi625 It's not true. Recently, I showed Evangelion to my 28-year-old brother. He doesn't understand much of it, but he enjoys it a lot and plans to watch it all over again.
@@abhijitpadhi625 that's not entirely true, I recently watched the Evangelion franchise as a whole and even if it was a small change I can tell you for sure my life has changed from watching the franchise and no other anime franchise has ever impacted me in the very same way that Evangelion has. God bless Anno for making it and I mean this from the bottom of my heart.
-Sincerely, an actual religious fanatic who also happens to love Evangelion.
@@abhijitpadhi625 Sure, growing up with Eva would definitely help you experience it better, but I think it’s more about your mental state going into the show. Like Garnt said he hated Eva the first two watch through, but when he rewatched a third time at a low point in his life, he suddenly related much more.
The amount you like Evangelion is inversely proportionate to the amount you like yourself.
The original Eva series didn't end because of money, they had to ditch the finale at short notice because it's involved a angel worshipping suicide cult attacking a subway, which was a bit too close for comfort to the Aum Shinryoko attacks that happened IRL. So they had to ditch loads of stuff they had already done and come up with something different and Anno channeling his mental health problems into an intense introspective hypnogogic trip was what they could do from what they had.
Source?
@@komo2542 the Folding Ideas End Of Evangelion mentions it. I seem to remember hearing about it myself at or near the time in SFX.
Take a piece of paper. Draw random violent scribbles in one corner, and write in the other corner "I am a Disaster".
The doodle is Evangelion. The phrase is Bojack Horseman.
Both mean the same thing but are very different.
I haven't watch Bojack but that Evangelion analogy is brilliant lol.
I love how you describe the methodology of both media.
I think Evangelion is a bit like abstract art in where the artist prioritises the message they're trying to tell more than the art fundamentals.
The sense of closure that the last movie provided me was unlike anything I’ve ever felt, it truly was a great way to end the Eva franchise
@Noe Hernandez I felt it wasn’t. But overall glad you felt differently.
Having watched the original series for the 1st time recently, i would say that the show is actual really good storytelling. I was quite impressed by the intrigue they were able to build surrounding Angels, Eva, Gendo, Seele, what the conspiracy surrounding second impact is, what Gendo and Seele's motivation are. The flip side of that is alot of stuff doesn't matter by the end. The world building especially aside from the storytelling is great
connors take on eva really reminds me of the way people talked about eva back in the mid 2010s lol
As a written piece of entertainment I would say Evangelion fails. It doesn't follow a traditional structure, things unexplained, logistical plot holes, vague character motivations, etc.
But Eva excels at being resonant. Somehow you are able to relate, able to see yourselves in some or many of the characters. you start to connect the dots in your own way. it's story is so powerful because internally you helped complete it.
Evangelion as a written form of entertainment fails, but succeeds as a message to those who receive it.
I honestly believe that the Eva manga deserves a lot more attention, it’s actually easier to understand then the original and the ending is way more satisfying then end of Eva or the original ending. I have to say, the manga is like a simpler and more easily understandable version of the original series, and I personally think that it is essential reading for any Eva fan. I read it alongside the rebuild movies and I have to say I think without it I wouldn’t have been as satisfied with the ending of 4.0. Overall every piece of media from evangelion is great, the rebuild movies are definitely not perfect however 4.0 provided an ending that has left a profound impact and it was overall an amazing movie. Even though I’m only 18 Eva nevertheless resonated with me greatly, and has definitely become one of my most favourite anime franchises.
God bless Hidieki Ano
That CGI of Rei's head in 4.0 is absolutely atrocious lol
It's supposed to feel uncanny. I believe it is a fourth wall break by Anno like many others in the movie.
I enjoyed the Rebuild series especially 4.0. My issue is these scenes where Gendo or characters are just shooting off warped biblical terminology .
Gendo wants to see his wife again and he'll turn the whole world into mental jelly to do it.
When Gendo revealed Mari's real surname is Iscariot I audibly rolled my eyes. Just more out-of-the-ass Biblical imagery that made no difference to the story
@@irresponsibledad Fuyutsuki revealed Mari's surname, not Gendo.
There's NHK documentary behind 3.0+1.0, Anno literally didn't even have storyboard and everyone just went along with it.
But again, even if they just threw BS and called it a day, biblically accurate lore was never the main point of Evangelion, it's the raw expressions being put into artworks.
When I watched the last Eva movie I felt like a part of my life also concluded. What a wild ride. I loved it and felt like I understood most of what happened, but even though I've watched the whole series several times over throughout my life, I still feel like there's more to understand. So I'm gonna keep watching it. Forever. God, I love Eva... Time to buy another Misato figure.
There’s a theory I really like about the naming scheme of these movies.
1.0 is Evangelion as it was. A shot for shot recreation.
2.0 is Evangelion as the fans saw it. Action, fan-service, and hope.
3.0 is Evangelion as Anno wanted it to be. Weird psychological sci-fi nonsense that’s very bleak and depressing.
3.0 + 1.0 is the reconciliation of Evangelion as it was and Evangelion as Anno wanted it to be. Personally my favorite piece of Eva content.
The way Garnt move his hand when talking is quite hypnotizing.
Bruh made me bawl my eyes out finally Shinji was given peace and a life of love and support- 😞 sad we'll never get anything like this again
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It was a trip, but it really felt like the series finally got over the depression by the end of it. Finally Shinji's actions made sense. Finally the characters got explored in a proper way. Finally we get a Rei that does more than stand there so Shinji can get motivated. Finally we get why Asuka ever even liked Shinji. So many resolutions. And well, I don't know what the fuck that ending was but it looked cool.
Connors credibility after comparing bojack to shinji 😐📉
12:00 death and rebirth is a must for the music alone. tamashi no refrain from yoko takahashi is great
I don't think I'd recommend for most people to watch the rebuilds. I think the original series + The end of Eva is a must watch but I'd recommend the rebuilds only for people who enjoyed Eva and want more.
I'd say if you really enjoyed NGE and EoE, don't watch Rebuild. They're a mainstream insult to the originals as far as I'm concerned, dumbed down, worse characters, shitty CGI and a way less memorable soudtrack, way less memorable visuals, and ever increasing techno-babble filler in already crammed runtimes.
Rebuild are to be enjoyed drunk with friends or for those who enjoyed some aspects of NGE but didn't like the deeper thinking, darker themes and lack of hand-holding with the conclusions. They're easier, but at the same time worse, with bad pacing and writing throughout, way less impactful meanings, capped off with a token happy ending that feels totally out of place beyond a 4th wall break from Anno.
In another 25 years, I don't think anyone's going to be talking about Rebuilds, but NGE and EoE will remain timeless.
@@AllThingsCubey I don't like rebuilds either but if someone really likes Eva chances are he/she wants to see more. People can watch the rebuilds and make their own opinions. They can partake in discussions etc. I don't think they'd ruin the original series for someone, at worst it would prolly just be a waste of time.
@@MultiZymethSK It's more like they soiled the originals for me, by making them no longer feel self-contained, and final. I don't want 3+1 to become known as where Eva ended. I don't think it deserves that.
@@AllThingsCubey the Evangelion series and “the end of Evangelion” are not the best. The manga has the best ending.
@@saxenart Not for me. I'd rank it behind the 90s endings but above Rebuild. Couldn't get into the Manga as much because of different characterisation that Sadomoto wanted, and I feel it devalued Asuka, though nowhere near as much as Rebuild did.
I remember watching Eva way back on Adult Swim in like 05 when I was in 5th grade. I just liked it because giant robots. Then I rewatched it in 2015, but I skipped the last two episodes because of everyone shitting on them. I still enjoyed it, but I could tell there was stuff there that I wasn't getting. Same with EoE. Also watched 2.0 & 3.0 in between then. I finally watched through the entire franchise (and that one doujin) right on time for 4.0 and I enjoyed every minute of it. Including episodes 25 and 26 and even 3.0 which I originally didn't like all that much. I also felt like I was starting to "get it" and understand some of what was going on and what Anno was trying to do and say. Won't say I understood every little thing or every bit of symbolism, but I could at least get an idea of what was going on.
I love the refinement of the story which the new Evangelion movies presented. It reminds me of the first time I read Arthur C Clarkes Space Odyssey series and noticed the revisions he made between books to better reflect both scientific accuracy and incorporate new backstory elements to add to each character's depth. It takes incredible integrity as a creator to make a new iteration of your work and present it to the public.
Grown men cried at the end of this movie, and boy was it a sense of relief….
OMG thank you for having this, I've been living off of other reactions, reviews, and analysis videos on Evangelion as a whole to deal with the post-Eva depression.
IMO, the first series of Eva had a perfect ending for me and needed no further explanation. I know it came from budget restrictions, but I love how it sets up this whole world and at the end it kinda says screw it all and focuses on the emotional part of the story and characters. Even though it came form restrictions, it felt really original and brave to do something like that. Having just watched the 4 movies in a week, I feel like the last 2 entries only added really long fights scenes(and even though well animated, kinda boring)
more convolution to something that in my mind had a really interesting unique ending from the first season.
That being sad, I watched the series when I was going through a really difficult time in my life, and I think that watching it without having those kinds of life experience really makes it difficult to connect to the series and I understand the whole criticism it gets
I watched the series when I was 16 I believe. I binge watched it over a few days and I was extremely hooked. The ending of the series made me cry when I watched it the first time, probably because I just really had similiar emotions to the characters. End of Eva was pretty amazing visualy but I didn't really know what actually was going on so it left me a bit more confused, I still liked the action of it.
So I was not actually really satisfied watching either of the endings to the series but I really liked them both regardless. As I said probably because it just hit me on a personal level at the time.
The title 3.0+1.0 is symbolic of the post-(Near) Third Impact world combined with the eventual creation of a "new beginning" for these characters, represented by the 1.0, which itself is a wink-wink nudge-nudging to the literal translation of the Greek "Neon Genesis" from the original series. It is the EVA cycle finally NOT repeating itself, which sadly and happily gives us and the characters closure encouraging us to start a new beginning of our lives.
there's nothing for us in the outside world
I thought it was universally understood that the order was OG series>EoE>Rebuild 1-4.
Yeah it's literally chronologically ordered
Whenever I introduce Eva to someone, I ALWAYS recommend watching END of Evangelion.
I loved watching Eva growing up but End of Eva was what made it EPIC for me.
Yessir. That Asuka fighting the Angels scene was the most beautifully tragic moment in anime for me
You guys are literally explaining it to him wrong. End of Evangelion it THE ending, not alternate. The rebuilds are just that, rebuilds. Different story, but that doesn't change the ending.
The rebuilds are sequels to EoE.
@@invoicequaint only in the most literal sense.
@@RuffledOnTime What do you mean? That they're sequels in a literally they came after EoE? Because if so that's not true. The rebuilds are a continuous story to EoE. This information isn't directly told but you can find the connections. 3.0+1.0 confirms it.
@@invoicequaint I mean they are a different story within the same universe. Eoe was a still a conclusion to neon genesis Evangelion. They are only sequels in the way they are a new part of the story that takes place afterward, but they don't continue the story because eoe was a conclusion.
@@RuffledOnTime EoE was a conclusion at the time, but not anymore. EoE was an attempt at a conclusion, but Evangelion continued and 3.0+1.0 concluded it fully.
ENDING, development, story, and message (basically everything) of EOE, Manga, Serie, Genocide, Retake>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gekijouban (the movies are not even captioned as rebuilds in japanese, so those titles in each movie are nonsense at the end of the day )
19:38 Joey said it all! Thats exacly what happened to me, Eva has so much hype backing it up and to someone that never heard of it and had zero clue about what it is my expectation where shattered.
I just knew that it is a "classic" and a "masterpiece of its time".
I went with the expectation of mind-blowing storytelling, some good action and good character intersections and what I got was zero understanding of wtf is going on, good action and characters so shit I felt genuine hatred towards them.
Eva is confusing, disturbing and still a must watch, nothing really compares to it, I wouldn't say you have to watch it bc its good.
You need to watch it, and you probably wont like it. But you need to.
For me the biggest mystery in 3.0+1.0 is mari's age she knew gendo before and she was also friends with yui(shinji's mom) and yet she's still a damn 14 year old🙃
I think she also suffers the curse that Asuka had, which is that they don't age
yeah but she should be the same age gendo because the eva's were not made yet until gendo was in his mid 20's when yui died and it's
not confirmed if she's a clone like asuka and rei
@@eveooooo1570 hmmm... interesting
LCL addiction will do that to ya
The scene when they travel inside the studio
Behid the studio dimension fight
+Shunji waiting isnide the studio and it's empty
That was point it really started to feel
I haven't seen it yet but the way you guys are describing it sounds a bit like a David Lynch movie. Where, the plot doesn't really follow logic, but it's more about the experience of the story and the emotional journey along with the characters. There isn't a message or theme, it just sort of is what it is. And it doesn't have to be a pretentious thing either, it's just something a little different from what we usually watch.
It totally think Anno has that style of directing. Great observation!
I started really getting into Anime this year. I mean having watched 100 shows in 9 months into. In January I started with movies as I thought it would ease me into it (it did). After that, the first show I watched was NGE. I thought it was pretty good and the ending + movie were experiences. Then around May I watched the rebuild series which was a bit underwhelming. So comes 3.0+1.0 and I thought it was the best thing to come from the series. Felt like it was a proper ending that was so well rounded. Looking back, the more time went on the better it got and this ending was probably a big reason for this realization. I’ll always cherish it and hold it close even though I’m not one of those people that legit grew up with it for so long.
Damm boi 100 shows in 9 months. I started watching anime 3 years ago and finishing naruto took me almost a year but it was worth it .i think i have watched around 60 shows
@@shariqueraza4409 damn! I’m actually watching Naruto in November so that should be fun I think only the first part unless I can somehow fit the second part into there
the end of Evangelion left me satisfied. it was what it had to be. dark. it made sense..not this bombastic thing of the rebuild
I have been an Evangelion fan since 1999 until today I think I have seen and read all the ¨cannon¨ and none cannon material, even the Re-take. Don´t get my wrong I´m still sad since this has been part of my life for so long, but I really loved seeing the ending of this long journey.
This movie made all of the non-canon stuff Canon. Just alternate timelines in the loops.
3.0+1.0 means the end plus the beginning.
Neon Genesis Evangelion nearly drove me to suicide.
Seeing Shinji suffering is like seeing myself suffer, because at one point in time I was almost exactly like him, especially back in 10th grade when I was bullied to the brink of suicide. I simply cannot tolerate watching Eva. I felt forced to relive my trauma upon viewing it. I’m deathly afraid of it. Twice I had a nightmare where I saw myself as Shinji choking Asuka and starting the Third Impact. I’ve been struggling with this newfound depression ever since.
I was obsessed with the series for over a year to try and outwit the isolation of the Coronavirus pandemic. It only increased the burden, and kept the memory of my friend’s recent suicide alive.
Watching the End of Evangelion was like peering into a broken mirror, and I was viewing the hell I would’ve put myself through had things turned out differently, had I decided to give up living. It still haunts me to this day.
Sometimes I hate myself because I fail to appreciate what so many have claimed to idolize, and I beat myself further for failing to worship what they call praiseworthy, I forced myself to watch a show that reminded me of nothing but pain just so I wouldn’t be alone anymore, I was willing to sacrifice my individuality for some company amidst the isolation of the pandemic.
I sought emotional refuge in the Evangelion fandom on social media, hoping they’d understand me and provide me with answers that would grant me peace of mind. Instead, they downplayed my trauma, going so far as to spread a rumor of my past to shame me of my mental illness, spiraling me deeper into depression, which I’ve been struggling with for over a year now.
I just want Shinji to be happy, so this past self of mine can be laid to rest once more. I’m afraid to decouple myself from him after losing my friend to suicide, which Eva made me feel responsible for, especially when I saw Shinji kill Kaworu, of which I fail to understand how anyone can call it praiseworthy. Until then, I feel nothing else matters.
There’s a reason why I keep coming back to Evangelion; something that reminds me of nothing but pain.
I want to prove to myself I’m not crazy for feeling this way, that Evangelion really did force me to relive my trauma, that my depression is not just a figment of my imagination or another anime plot point. I want to feel that my fear and resentment towards Eva is justified.
But the fact I’m the only one I know in existence who’s been traumatized by an anime makes me feel like I really am crazy.
Whenever I feel this way, there’s something I remind myself with.
But finally, with 3.0+1.0 released, I can rest easy knowing that Shinji has finally reached the light at the end of the tunnel. Evangelion is finished, and I want it to remain that way.
But if things hadn’t turned out that way, I wouldn’t be here today.
Ok idk why people are really unsatisfied with the tv series ending... Like the ending to Eva was more about Shinji than the plot...and honestly to see Shinji coming to terms with all the problems hes facing mentally at the end...was fulfilling. Tho it is true that it did not really feel like the true ending
But 3.0+1.0 isn't hard to understand, the events are absolute nonsense but that's on purpose, because none of it matters. It's like Anno wanted the viewer to completely zone out of the biblical bullshit so they can just pay attention to the characters.
Honestly i feel kind of out of place here in that i didin’t really like it lol. End of eva is a much better ending imo.
@@zero-pl3tt agreed, I do like the movie but it's extremely redundant, like it was made for those that didn't get EOE.
@@zero-pl3tt same
I know this is late but I’m pretty sure it was just to avoid 4.44 which is bad luck
if you’re watching it on prime, there’s that 2 part documentary of Anno working on 3+1. That’s a somewhat inseparable experience for the movie.
I've seen it but, if a movie requires you to study up on the director's life and shitty work methods to properly appreciate it, it's not a good movie.
@@AllThingsCubey u don't have to though
It's been months and I think I finally know how to properly explain EVA.
*It's like learning and experiencing the feeling of being hallowed out and being filled back in.*
The last ending scene is literally what fulfillment means.
What is more surprising to me is that Connor thinks a score of 7-8 on IMDb would classify as mediocre...
I relate to Garnt's take so much. After all this time, all I wanted was some sort of closure for this story and, while the last movie (and the rebuild movies in general) was nowhere near perfect, it did gave me that sense of "finally, this is it."
Watched eva tv series as a kid, didn’t understand it. Then rewatched this year, as a 30 something. Then I immediately watched the old movies/end of eva. Felt a bit better about the end but still confused. Watched the new movies- not sure if I’m satisfied but honestly don’t know how else it could end.
Recently I fell into NGE, I've watched through all of the original show on Netflix alongside End of Eva, I've watched the rebuild series twice because Thrice came back to theaters, and read through the yoshiyuki manga based on the original series. I've very much enjoyed the series, but in the original I was so close on quitting watching it only because the middle is where you kinda lose interest over time, but somehow the start and endings of every version are just so captivating to the point you realize "wait this IS good." I felt odd with the original shows ending, I still need to rewatch it and take notes on it to keep it fresh, but to my memory it was just boring at the end, but when I watched End of Eva I was hooked on it and still am. How I went about was the best way to do it, just watching it without consulting the internet for answers and just making my own ideas and theories as I went along and it still feels satisfying on rewatches seeing something new and finding all the connections, for example like Marduk in the manga as the organization over the school shinji is transferred to, and that they make sure there are as many eva pilot replacements as need be. The rebuild lost me as soon as Mari got introduced, she's in the ending of the Yoshiyuki manga, but she just kinda left a sour taste in my mouth. The small changes made in the rebuild series also kinda hurt, like the dummy plug incident with a different pilot sets the narrative away from the classmates, and whenever the classmates are to be brought into the plot in the original, the scenes were just skipped. I watched the rebuild with my dad, by Thrice he didn't know who Kensuke or Toji were. As soon as I watched Thrice though I got recaptivated into the series. Right now I'm taking notes and going back through the series. I want to make a constructive journey video and giving incite from someone that is just slightly an anime fan. To put it simple, NGE is both the most fantastic series to watch, and the most "mid" series ever, but the finales are where everything just flips a switch in your mind. Preferably, I enjoyed the original more over the rebuild, the only thing the rebuild has better is the fact we get to see the characters grow up.
Connor was unnecessary on this bit just let Giguk talk
Connor is part of trash talk as much as Giguk is. Remember that when you start talking about how people in the podcast shouldnt talk
@@Mubzzzzz hey, have you heard of a joke…
Honestly, it's true, I don't watch a lot of stuff because I usually don't want to watch stuff to enjoy it, and if I do- it's with another person
usually, I watch things for the experience, the insight, that window into a whimsical place of wonder, like a bird's eye view so alien and refreshing from mine, it's like it's feeding my insatiable hunger for those shows that are just so raw and conveys the creators perspective in it
Gotta say I really am partial to the End of Evangelion. I think the ending to that movie is honestly really hopeful, if only in a very dark and twisted, very orange, sort of way.
The guy in green shirt watching Evangelion for the first time in 2021 must have had a different feeling than some people like me that watched the series when it first came out back in the 90s around that time we never had anime like that and took the scene by storm
Gotta disagree with Garnt on this, I thought EoE was a satisfying ending. Wrapped the series in a nice bow, gave the crowd who wanted a concrete ending (not a metaphysical one), a legitimate “this is what physically happens to the world and the characters” type of ending, and gave the 2deep4u crowd more bones to chew. Atleast It was perfect until the rebuild movies, that is.
Shinji the best fucking mc.
Oh my he needed that closure