it's insane to me that she didn't call 911. i'd love to know what texts and calls she sent out between the time of the murders and when 911 was actually called.
Good point! Both survivors were ruled out almost instantly by Moscow PD for a quadruple murder, that almost never happens in big cases, especially when 911 was called 8hrs after the crime.
I still don’t get how one person stabbed 4 ppl and 2 separate floor’s without others on the bottom floor knowing anything. You’d think the first victim would be screaming bloody murder and woke the whole house up. This case is just mind boggling
i guess the house is big enough plus the fact they were in deep sleep. it is quite weird though. i guess if the first stab was in the neck area and did damage they couldnt scream much
Bethany was the only one downstairs. Dylan was sleeping on the 2nd floor right there next to the kitchen. Kaylee and Maddie were right above her, and Xana and Ethan were just down the small hall from her. Everybody was winding down from the night. No party people were there, and the victims were in their own rooms. You can't tell me that Dylan and Bethany didn't hear anything, or expect the noise to be from the others partying!!
If you know the circumstances there, it makes sense. It was a party house, where these kids came together with many people and strangers coming and going for months. There was also substances involved allegedly. Those people downstairs were used to all that ruckus and the screaming that went along with it. How do you tell party screaming insanity from people being murdered? Especially when it's the middle of the night and perhaps you're also intoxicated one way or another?
@@xuxuang8574 Well to be honest im having difficulty trying to figure out why BK father flew down to meet BK an drive back home with BK instead of flying BK home leaving his car back at his college or apartment ? ? from the original report before he was arrested at his parents house ? ? if i recall BK was going to school down the road of the students college home ? ? i don't understand why BK parents didn't just fly Brian Kohberger home instead of his father flying down to drive back home with BK ? another thing that's got me puzzled is the college students roommates waiting several hours before calling police they called friends to come to the house were there roommates had been Brutally murdered who does that ? ? there's a lot that doesn't add up in my opinion ? or how about the roommates who survived 1st they were home sleeping didn't hear anything then they were not home and came home to find there friends deceased and instead of calling 911 they waited around 6 to 8 hours before calling the police and were calling friends over instead ? isn't there laws about this ? and yes i heard it was a party house with heavy traffic people in and out ?? It's definitely a hot mess.
It’s that 8 hours that are questionable - yet everyone reacts to trauma differently. But it’s still 8 hours! Why not call 911 - but call their friends instead.
Same for me, you have 3 year olds that call 911with dead parents in front of them. She heard crying, yet could not be bothered. Wow, This isn't a decent human being!
He really plays God, with everyone. The whole world in his hands- watching, waiting for his trial. He waived speedy. Sit back. Move on- you’ll know when it’s time…
For me, the whole trauma response doesn’t make sense. If she saw the murders taking place, saw one of the victims on the floor bleeding or saw him standing there with a knife that would illicit a trauma response. But she didn’t actually see anything or hear anything in particular did she? She saw a man Standing in the hallway at night, but as college students there’s always strangers in the home. Maybe not always that late at night, but still it doesn’t seem like he didn’t threaten her or she didn’t see anything actually happen, so to lock yourself in a room for eight hours, when you didn’t know anything actually took place seems odd
There's just too many coincidences in this case that would have had to happen for me to believe he's innocent. Bryan just so happened to be at/near the crime scene not long before it happened? And he just so happened to be there not long after it happened? And he just so happened to turn off his cell phone during the time of the murders? And it just so happened that an identical car to his drove away from the crime scene? And it just so happened that an eyewitness inside the house identified someone with bushy eyebrows similar to his? And it just so happened that his DNA was on the knife sheath that killed 4 people? I have an open mind, but the defense has a tough hill to climb with this one...
I've been interested in the zodiac case for years. There are about 20 suspects for that, each with an astounding level of coincidental circumstantial evidence against them. Way more than against Kohberger for this. It can't be all of them.
and I also read he tried to communicate with one of the girls and they found one of their ID's in his car. if this is true how the heck do you explain that??
It sounds like there weren’t any screams to be heard. Also, considering it was a party house with several college kids living there, seeing a stranger on a Saturday night probably wasn’t too alarming
they thought they had a slam dunk in the O.J.Simpson case to so don't draw ANY conclusions in this case. Remember the Casey Anthony case?That's another trial that wasn't a slam dunk either.
The crime scene was so compromised before the arrest, BK's defense will definitely use that to their advantage. The friends were in and out of the house, the police were in and out with no protective gear, the police box and released the victims belongings, and the police called a disaster clean up crew (which was halted) but, they were in and out of the house. This is pretty unbelievable......
@@Redandranger its been alleged by multiple sources that people were in and out before the crime scene was officially secured. OP wasn’t just speculating
Touch DNA is not reliable, no matter where it's found. Key would be if his DNA is anywhere else in the house or if any of theirs was found in his car or apartment
How eerie is it that only the 4 students in the middle of the last picture taken of them were the ones murdered. It's so creepy to know they'd be dead less than 24 hrs. later!
I wonder if Brian saw that picture and then heard that Kaylee was leaving and decided to move in on the house because he thought Maddie would be alone on a floor and that he could easily take out three people but it turned out to be 4. He's sick
She had already moved out. She had just returned, to visit, when this happened. If anything, it's more likely that this happened when it did, BECAUSE she was back.
He said that cuz he’s a narcissist psycho with a toddler like mentality where he doesn’t wanna feel singled out and therefore more easily exposed. He wants to blend in, he wants others to blame in case he gets caught.
Bu this time, many rumours had been swirling, about various suspects. The boyfriend, the hoodie guy, the neighbour, etc, etc. He would have been following this, and asked that, wondering if they were looking at others too.
It will be difficult for witnesses to testify to incriminate Bryan while avoiding entangling themselves with the case by not calling the police about the murder for so long.
His alibi is, “i was driving around clearing my head, just outside the murder house, nowhere near my house or anyone i know.” That plus DNA is about all you need. Im sure they have more we just havent heard yet too.
But it's a tiny amount of touch DNA. The killer could have shook hands with him then touched the knife sheath. They didn't find his DNA anywhere else or any trace evidence or DNA in his car or at his residence. Which is highly unusual is a violent stabbing of 4 people.
I don’t believe he said he was driving around near the scene. They better have a lot more dna than touch dna which could be explained away. There were a lot of people running around outside that night. What about the three unkown DNAs?
The "not calling the police till noon" point sounds odd, until you consider that these are college students who are partying *every* single weekend... And it sounds like the witnessing roommate didn't have any definitive reason to think "this person just murdered my roommates" and so it seems entirely possible that she just passed out after that and slept till noon the next day, only then to find out what happened...
@@myraclayton1860 What reason does she have to think "this person just murdered my roomates"? and therefore, what reason would she have to go immediately investigate? especially given that she was very likely drunk
@@jessicaleigh5024 both the surviving roommates were texting the whole time. She has her phone. She opened her door three times. Seems very very strange
@@BexySC then why were the sorority girls at the vigil yesterday saying they were getting messages and everyone was sad and this was before police were called.
I saw a Interview where a student said, that he knew about it,none of the girls made the emergency call, that will be the reason why we have never heard the 911 call before?.
@@usakiwi1986 yes, 3 times. It’s a lot when you think about it so she must have heard quite a bit. I think she will know if it was BK or not as soon as she saw a picture of him when he was arrested.
Dylan heard crying. She heard someone say that it's okay they're going to help them? Then she seen a dark figure? After all that you'd call you're friends and if they didn't answer call the police.
Honestly do not believe they have the right suspect. The DNA is a huge piece as the one said "No blood as we know has been found in the car." After 4 people tragic incidents there would be DNA of at least one inside the vehicle.
He was studying crime etc.... he circled that house like a shark and then he struck. He turned his phone off and either buried or burned the overalls he wore and the murder weapon. Stripped the car of blood etc... that was a PARTY house. People came and went. Dylan may have been creeped out - but she was tipsy and just locked her door and went to bed. People need to lay OFF OF HER
In my opinion, the roommate reaction does not make sense. She goes to sleep right away? Uhmm if somebody is scare to dead, it is impossible! Calling the policed until next day? I think she should had been investigated too. The law just took her words for granted. Was the room dark when she saw his bushy eyebrows? That is very strange.
I think the delay in calling 911 will make sense to us once roommate testifies. Freezing and denial is a trauma response. Ultimately, this poor girl is going to be traumatized for very long time - or for life. My heart goes out to both surviving roommates and all the families.
@@bobsink624 because she is a victim. Something horrible happened to her. We don’t need to be questioning whether or not she’s a victim, police already did that and they cleared her
It's insane to me that LE continues to push the earlier description of the car, even though it is not the same model as BK. It's insane to me that not one of the students who were "visiting" the residence after the crime were taken in for questioning. It's insane to me that the Sigma Chi Idaho "brothers" were not taken in individually and questioned after learning of an altercation regarding the use of steroids and which Xana was key to breaking up. It is also insane to me that the knives seen on multiple occasions in the possession of said brothers and match the description of the murder weapon were not confiscated from the Sigma Chi and tested. It's insane that the roommates did NOT call 911 for so long. It's insane to me that there was no blood or evidence found in the house outside the bedrooms. The list goes on and on. This whole case is a sham, not the murders certainly, but the conviction of BK BEFORE these things are answered. Justice for the families and loved ones but not save face for the university and LE for God's sake.
LE did not push the description of the car. An FBI agent gave LE the car description, and they went off of that. The FBI agent said he simply made a mistake at first with the car description. How do you know the students were not taken in for questioning??? How do you know the CHI knives matched the description of the murder weapon?? This case is not a sham. What's insane to me is that you state so many things without sources cited.
I do admit I said the above incorrectly and for that I do apologize for anyone who takes offense. Everyone has an opinion and I am entitled to mine regarding this case. I do find it insane that LE went out and arrested one man on a miniscule amount of touch dna that may or may not have been "planted". Do they know how the dna got there? Do you? As for the kabar knives owned by the Sigma Chi, that does happen to be the type that belongs to the sheath and also has been stated was the murder weapon. As for the questioning of all the suspicious people, not one word has been reported, alluded to or in any way stated that any of these people were taken in. Only one, Bryan Kohberger. They certainly didn't keep that out of the headlines.This is pointless to ramble on. I am heartbroken and grasping at straws and merely stating my feelings on this case as hundreds of other people have. Have a good evening and keep asking questions.
@@p.smurph5580 investigators have been tight-lipped since the beginning and now there’s a gag order. They aren’t going to give us a list of who they interviewed! There’s 0 reason to assume an interview didn’t happen just because we didn’t hear about it. We haven’t heard about any interviews And no, it’s not just the DNA. They also have evidence that very likely puts BK at the crime scene- his phone and car. And who knows what else they now have since they’ve arrested him. There’s a gag order. We have to wait until the trial. They have no interest in presenting the evidence to us right now
@@Manatee4Scale Psmurf is assuming big time. They want Bryan to be innocent so badly because lower rung people subconsciously enjoy having killers running the streets loose, so they keep assuming they are innocent.
Who cries after being punctured/pierced/torn/stabbed to the point of death? If there was only one perpetrator and the victims were in pairs, one of each pair would have screeched in utter terror while the other was brutalized. Unless they were all zonked out cold but then was it really Xana that called DoorDash? That leads me back to suspicion about Emma Bailey and Demetrius Robinson doing a blitz attack. Robinson is a young, strong, bad guy. Not 20's young but man prime young, in his 30's. If Dylan did hear "crying" she's using a euphemism because at that point, according to her timeline from which everything revolves, it was the final groans of a fading life.
@@matildagreene1744 Do you know Madman to make that assesment? The crime could happened in 8 minutes, if BK had a gun. Those poor kids put up a fight. They fought back! IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. IT was atleast 4 Frat Bros in that house.
I’ve had this same thought. If there were two people in each room and only one perpetrator.. wouldn’t the other scream in terror while the other was attacked? How would the roommate not hear this?
why were the guys using bleach to clean the inside of their car , that red mustang? the neighbors saw this and reported it and why were some people unassociated so quick?
So if she saw someone leaving at 4ish in the morning and was afraid. Why did a neighbor see her outside at about 8:30 am with 4 other people smoking a joint?
Dude lied when he said the guy was in the area around the time of the murderers. First he claims his phone pings put him there. Then he goes on to say his phone was turned off between 2:50 and 4:45. How did they get pings from his phone around 4:20 if the phone was off?
Not if he didn't hang around as they bled out. And friends had been through the house before 911 got there, so the entire place would have been contaminated.
Very difficult case because of the time lapse in the 911 call. The hours that went by is hard to understand. Would really have to hear the testimony from the roommates in order to comprehend it. No DNA in his car or his Apt. Even if he cleaned everything thoroughly how could a trace not be found?
No, the call time has no bearing, the two surviving roommates were asleep. Why would he have their DNA on him, it didn't sound like there was that much blood, when he left there was no blood trail, he may have had some blood on his stabbing hand and on the knife, or he could have wiped the blade and had minimal on his hand. Then he exits behind the house climbs the hill and gets in the car, or he pulls off a layer of clothes there, either way he leaves and dumps the knife and clothes on his extended drive that night.
I am not at all blaming the roommates and fully aware that they did not make that call. A friend of one of the victims did.. The trial will have the details. I am only shocked to say the least that some type of DNA or traces of evidence was left in the house, car or apt. But there is a gag order in place so I do believe there could be much more evidence that they have.
Also can't believe there wasn't more cameras around then the few we've seen. Probably alot more evidence than they are showing. Even my little house has 2 porch cams and one inside.
@@autumn1734: I can’t imagine those statements have much evidentiary value unless they were given to police investigators with some sort of verifiable reason for their suspicions. Otherwise they’re likely just useless conjecture.
Not always, but most of the time they do have a reason and or motive and when it's as brutal as this thing was, that's generally a clear sign that it's personal. This is another reason why it seems to me like they may have the wrong person.
Makes NO SENSE that the girl who saw an alleged perpetrator did not call 911. SCREAMS were allegedly heard- NO CALL. AND when other students made the call for the girl, they stated, "someone is unresponsive." COME ON... that's BS. There was MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF BLOOD everywhere. 4 young, healthy students (living on 2 different floors), bludgeoned by one person with a knife 🔪... and NO DNA in car or anywhere in his apartment. SOMETHING'S AMISS!! AND why was the 1st floor skipped??! If that MORTENSON girl testifies as a witness, the defense attorney is going to SHRED HER!! 8 hours of time ⏲️ goes by B 4 calling 911. That's a LOT of F****NG TIME!
That police department had put somebody in prison which they lied about this person a while back and there was a lawyer that had got the person out of prison
I think he's already loving every minute of this, wants to see the criminal court system from the inside out and wants to act like the smartest person in the room until the end.
There was one tiny piece of DNA on a knife sheath.... not even a knife. Nothing in his car. Nothing in his apartment.... That's not really possible, is it? I heard the car going back home had been planned for months because it needed fixed, or something. Also, it was a party house and there are allegedly drugs going to and coming from that house. There are a whole lot of cell phones pinging that area throughout the weekends. So, are any of those people being investigated?
I had a roommate that used to bring home strangers from the bars, I once had a naked man suddenly standing in the hall outside the bathroom as I was getting ready for work... Another time I woke up to see one of her male friends standing next to my bed, just standing there in my room! I understand the roommate locking herself in her bedroom after seeing a stranger in the house.
Yeah people act like the only reason she would’ve locked her door is because she thought there was a murderer in her home like is that the only time y’all lock your doors??
I’m not convinced he’s the killer There’s so much stuff that is not there that makes me suspicious No finger print, no hair Nothing under the victims nails Nothing in his car and appartement after a very messy crime with a lot of blood. The cell phone thing is bs He planned it with going with his own car And why not leave the cell phone home Weird
Yep. Nothing we have seen so far proves anything. I want to see something solid that physically ties him to the murders. There were a ton of people around that area. They cleared them all?
Coverall clothing will prevent a victim from scratching and nothing will be under nails. How about the Dickies coverall he bought? He had time to clean up when he took the long way home. He studied criminology. He knows all the tricks. He was obsessed with at least one of the victims and also with murder
😢 I still do NOT understand WHY one of the female college students left alive. DID NOT call the Police for about 7.5 or 8 hours after the 4 college students were ficiouslly and horrifically murdered by being stbbed to death, that is, murdered. Why were the 2 college students' friends invited over much sooner. I think Paul's friend called the Police? There is theory that drug dealers had all 4 students murdered and the 2 living students called their friends go clean up the scene before calling the Police.
They were all delinquents if you ask me. Up to no good, publicly intoxicated, while the good students were in their dorms studying or doing research in the libraries.
@@RobbieStacks90uhhhh lol.. people who are social and let loose a-little in college are probably more successful in life IMO. You know who looks like a creep with no social life who stays inside all the time studying, Bryan Koberger.. just saying, going out and partying in college doesn’t make them “delinquents”. 🙄
@@RobbieStacks90The girls were there too, were they up to no good?Delinquent? Listen to yourself. Those boys did not deserve to be unfairly accused for being at a food truck. Even Koburger was convicted & given the death penalty within 24hrs in the court of public opinion. It's insane. To much finger pointing & labeling. Let the justice system work. It's not perfect but it needs to be allowed to run its course.
If he's innocent, the Goncalves family needs to make amends by marrying Kaylee's older sister Olivia to Brian. That's what plenty of families in biblical stories from the Old Testament used to do. It also makes sense because he and Kaylee interacted over social media.
@@WordsBloom not especially- think how hysterical you'd be if you were in jail for a murder you didn't do- staring down life in prison or the death penalty. Most normal people would be a hot mess...not calm and giving tight lipped grinch smiles.
What nobody ever brings up is the putrification of blood over time. Blood turns with an atrocious metallic smell that is overwhelming in just hours. After hour 4...it wouldn't even be tolerable to be in that house. There was so much blood at this scene that it was literally oozing out the side paneling of the house itself. You certainly wouldn't have been able to sleep through that overwhelming putrification. It would have been through the entire house unbearable. There's no way anyone in the house wouldn't have known. No way for anyone to sleep through such fume permiation. No shot.
I am interested in the Kohberger/Kopacka link, and the Drug house behind 1122 King Rd. Apparently the path goes up the hill past the sliding door to the house behind.
I'm relieved he remains locked up no matter how long till trial. It is circumstantial evidence that has been publicized, just him cleaning his car & packaging his trash in his parents' house is enough proof he's guilty to me.
Honestly i somewhat blame the roommates as well because no one will ever know if one of those 4 could if lived if the roommate called 911 right away. I will never understand that.
They wouldn't have due to the injuries sustained. He literally slaughtered them and if the heart doesn't have adequate blood flow within like 20 mins of that happening then they're gone. He made sure they wouldn't survive this. He mutilated their bodies and Xanas fingers were hanging off of her hand and Ethans legs were basically mutilated and Kaylee and Maddie were stabbed in the chest and stomach with guts hanging out from what I heard. No one would have survived any of that. That was the point of this...
From what we’ve heard, it doesn’t sound like they could’ve been helped. But either way, why would you blame the roommates for not calling 911 if they didn’t know they needed to
Could've been there from dropping off, picking up or using drugs? Allegedly, that was a thing at that house. Could've been anywhere at all and put there by anyone at all during the crime or the 8 hours after.
yeah its direct DNA... the most damning kind. I just watched the episode earlier and it said they got his DNA by sifting through his trash and they matched his dads dna. It said nothing about the geneology tree...so what is it?
Definitely, NO DNA inside his car or place of living , No blood from him or the four victims in car or house, just a sheath, that is weak evidence and is looking subjective as solid evidence IMO. Four ppl killed like this? By One guy not all that strong and capable to kill four humans like this. These had to have been others there etc. Unless all four were deep sleep from drugs & alcohol induced conditions which I seriously doubt that aspect possible Four ppl ONE guy in close quarters? mmm, I'm hard pressed to say he did it ALL, maybe one-two not all four like this in close quarters though.
So far, I think this is going to be a very tough case to prove, so far, there is no weapon, there is no motive and there is no connection between him and the victims.
I believe he is so narcissistic that he thinks he will get away the crimes, that he knows so much more than anyone else. I wonder if he was attracted to one of the girls and found out where she lived. That the killing of four in the same house was up to his abilities. If he gets away with this, he may kill again. Pure evil.
Oh I was pretty passionate about this case. I am nearly 100% certain that he did it. he's not getting away with it even if the courts find him not guilty then he's going to have to deal with me. he's not getting away with it one way or another. There's no way that their parents are not going to see justice for this
@@xuxuang8574there actually is evidence, it was shown on his phone that he followed her, liked her photos and dmed her multiple times. You seem like you know it all so I’m surprised you haven’t found this out yet. Maybe look it up ;)
I am sure LE asked Dylan why she waited almost 8 hours to call 911 and why she would call friends to come over first, I am not sure why they are not releasing that to the public but I am sure we will at Trial
Why did the victims stay in the house after seeing the bodies? I would’ve ran out of the house scared the murderer would kill me next. How did they know the murderer wasn’t still in the house hiding or coming back to kill them too? Instead, they stayed in the house waiting for friends to come over before calling the police.
There is no reason to think they stayed in the house after finding the bodies. We don’t know that they found the bodies before the friends came over, that’s 100% speculation. The bodies very well could’ve been discovered after the friends arrived
Early Christmas morning around 3:30am I woke up to dogs barking and the sound of a woman screaming bloody murder and gasping for air and screaming again. I do live in an otherwise peaceful and safe neighborhood. I woke up my husband and lifted the window and he said yes that’s a woman screaming. I called 911. While waiting on the police to arrive I called the police station and I was the only one to call them. WTH? No one else heard her? No one else thought to call for help? It’s very strange. The cops showed up to my home and we talked and they said this woman was crying out in pain because her children were taken away due to her drug use. Her mother took them away. Thankfully nothing gruesome or sad like she could have found her husband dead in his sleep and was freaking out. I didn’t know the scenario, but I’m glad that I’m on high alert.
I think drugs were involved & was a hired hit. He may have been involved with others buying drugs from one of the survivors that has been rumored to have been distributing for her boyfriend. Could explain why he had reportedly been by pinged around the house 11 times.
@@KT-fm7dt: Interesting theory. You’re suggesting that he was a drug user who was hired to kill all his dealer’s housemates? Who do you think hired him? A rival dealer?
He brought the same knife off Amazon.. they have that data all online shopping etc.. phone pings GPS etc .. they have a good amount. Also he was liking posts on social media.. and that it'd possibly je was the fake profile of paparoach.. talking about the murders . He's behaviors and getting fired from his job.. he's behavior after using gloves everywhere.. the list goes on
They confiscated ID's from his home in PA. Those were not his either as the police would not have any interest in his ID's but of ID's he may have either stolen from others or used aliases on.
I believe that the roommate who claimed she did not hear anything, that morning is lying ,how do you freeze up at the sight of a stranger, and then close the door, and don't go and check out your house, she is a good liar and she just might have something to do with the murders, something doesn't pan out,
She did not claim to hear nothing. I’d suggest reading official documents/statements rather than social media! Lots of misinformation and rumors. She told the police what she heard
it's insane to me that she didn't call 911. i'd love to know what texts and calls she sent out between the time of the murders and when 911 was actually called.
I hope they reveal her text message in the trial . But I doubt it .😢
Even when she called it in. She said her roomate just wasn't waking up. She was in complete denial
Probably updated her social media first
Good point! Both survivors were ruled out almost instantly by Moscow PD for a quadruple murder, that almost never happens in big cases, especially when 911 was called 8hrs after the crime.
Her reactions aren’t totally unusual. Other survivors have behaved similar. Check out the most infamous- Richard Speck… and the survivor
I still don’t get how one person stabbed 4 ppl and 2 separate floor’s without others on the bottom floor knowing anything. You’d think the first victim would be screaming bloody murder and woke the whole house up. This case is just mind boggling
i guess the house is big enough plus the fact they were in deep sleep. it is quite weird though. i guess if the first stab was in the neck area and did damage they couldnt scream much
Agree, bc it makes zero sense.. and there is no dna in his car.
@@georgewashington3555he had 6 weeks to clean the car before being caught
Bethany was the only one downstairs. Dylan was sleeping on the 2nd floor right there next to the kitchen. Kaylee and Maddie were right above her, and Xana and Ethan were just down the small hall from her. Everybody was winding down from the night. No party people were there, and the victims were in their own rooms. You can't tell me that Dylan and Bethany didn't hear anything, or expect the noise to be from the others partying!!
@@tracycolvin7789 Presuming Kaylee and Maddie were killed first, Xana and Ethan heard whatever Dylan and Bethany heard during the top floor murders.
This case is truly baffling… on so many levels.
I wholeheartedly agree 😢
If you know the circumstances there, it makes sense. It was a party house, where these kids came together with many people and strangers coming and going for months. There was also substances involved allegedly. Those people downstairs were used to all that ruckus and the screaming that went along with it. How do you tell party screaming insanity from people being murdered? Especially when it's the middle of the night and perhaps you're also intoxicated one way or another?
Agreed. Nothing about this makes sense.
@@xuxuang8574 Well to be honest im having difficulty trying to figure out why BK father flew down to meet BK an drive back home with BK instead of flying BK home leaving his car back at his college or apartment ? ? from the original report before he was arrested at his parents house ? ? if i recall BK was going to school down the road of the students college home ? ? i don't understand why BK parents didn't just fly Brian Kohberger home instead of his father flying down to drive back home with BK ? another thing that's got me puzzled is the college students roommates waiting several hours before calling police they called friends to come to the house were there roommates had been Brutally murdered who does that ? ? there's a lot that doesn't add up in my opinion ? or how about the roommates who survived 1st they were home sleeping didn't hear anything then they were not home and came home to find there friends deceased and instead of calling 911 they waited around 6 to 8 hours before calling the police and were calling friends over instead ? isn't there laws about this ? and yes i heard it was a party house with heavy traffic people in and out ?? It's definitely a hot mess.
Baffling because we don’t have all the pieces.
Time for the trial!
It’s that 8 hours that are questionable - yet everyone reacts to trauma differently. But it’s still 8 hours! Why not call 911 - but call their friends instead.
That defense lawyers gonna have a field day with them 2
Same for me, you have 3 year olds that call 911with dead parents in front of them. She heard crying, yet could not be bothered. Wow, This isn't a decent human being!
Prayers for the parents. This is taking forever!
He really plays God, with everyone. The whole world in his hands- watching, waiting for his trial. He waived speedy. Sit back. Move on- you’ll know when it’s time…
🙏🙏🙏🙏
For me, the whole trauma response doesn’t make sense. If she saw the murders taking place, saw one of the victims on the floor bleeding or saw him standing there with a knife that would illicit a trauma response. But she didn’t actually see anything or hear anything in particular did she? She saw a man Standing in the hallway at night, but as college students there’s always strangers in the home. Maybe not always that late at night, but still it doesn’t seem like he didn’t threaten her or she didn’t see anything actually happen, so to lock yourself in a room for eight hours, when you didn’t know anything actually took place seems odd
"as college students there’s always strangers in the home." Not usually at 4 AM.
No doubt in my mind they have the right guy. I also have no doubt they have so much more on him than we know
People like you won't be on the jury so what you think does not matter.
I have every doubt in the world he is the guy. bc they have nothing on him. Just lies and coverup.
@@georgewashington3555how is DNA nothing?
@@123carol321 it's touch DNA with a statistical genealogical match. That's pretty poor.
Maybe you should have some doubts.
There's just too many coincidences in this case that would have had to happen for me to believe he's innocent. Bryan just so happened to be at/near the crime scene not long before it happened? And he just so happened to be there not long after it happened? And he just so happened to turn off his cell phone during the time of the murders? And it just so happened that an identical car to his drove away from the crime scene? And it just so happened that an eyewitness inside the house identified someone with bushy eyebrows similar to his? And it just so happened that his DNA was on the knife sheath that killed 4 people? I have an open mind, but the defense has a tough hill to climb with this one...
4 people on different levels. No noise and only touch DNA. No trace of DNA outside or blood trail. Do you see a problem here???
I've been interested in the zodiac case for years. There are about 20 suspects for that, each with an astounding level of coincidental circumstantial evidence against them. Way more than against Kohberger for this.
It can't be all of them.
In my book that makes them not a coincidence anymore. It’s called evidence. I dk t care if it’s circumstantial or physical. It’s evidence.
IT JUST SO HAPPENED THAT YOU ARE 100% ON POINT.
and I also read he tried to communicate with one of the girls and they found one of their ID's in his car. if this is true how the heck do you explain that??
I will never understand why the roommate didnt call 911 when she saw a stranger in her house, especially after hearing screams.
It sounds like there weren’t any screams to be heard. Also, considering it was a party house with several college kids living there, seeing a stranger on a Saturday night probably wasn’t too alarming
@@Manatee4Scale and she was wasted drunk
Thank you for posting this!! This guy is asking questions that we've all been wondering for a year now...
they thought they had a slam dunk in the O.J.Simpson case to so don't draw ANY conclusions in this case. Remember the Casey Anthony case?That's another trial that wasn't a slam dunk either.
Right. And they both shoulda been guilty and everyone knows it. I just hope juries have gotten a little smarter.
Yup and both guilty and got away with murder and lets hope BK doesnt get away with this on any technicality
Twenty seven years ago-In OJ case people were not as familiar with DNA as they are now. Pretty big coincidence and should not be dismissed.
Yep, I just made an almost identical comment before seeing this.
@@kneel1he doesn't even need a technicality, of which it would seem there are plenty.
They have no concrete evidence.
There is so much about this case that makes zero sense
When a case is solves properly, it is simple, and easy to explain. These rookie cops have solved noting.
The crime scene was so compromised before the arrest, BK's defense will definitely use that to their advantage.
The friends were in and out of the house, the police were in and out with no protective gear, the police box and released the victims belongings, and the police called a disaster clean up crew (which was halted) but, they were in and out of the house.
This is pretty unbelievable......
Doesn't matter. His DNA is right next to Maddie and Kaylee's bodies so he was there.
And you know the scene was compromised because you were there? Nope.
@@Redandranger its been alleged by multiple sources that people were in and out before the crime scene was officially secured. OP wasn’t just speculating
Touch DNA is not reliable, no matter where it's found. Key would be if his DNA is anywhere else in the house or if any of theirs was found in his car or apartment
Pretty well known that people were in there before law enforcement. And pics of investigators authorities with no protective gear
How eerie is it that only the 4 students in the middle of the last picture taken of them were the ones murdered. It's so creepy to know they'd be dead less than 24 hrs. later!
I wonder if Brian saw that picture and then heard that Kaylee was leaving and decided to move in on the house because he thought Maddie would be alone on a floor and that he could easily take out three people but it turned out to be 4. He's sick
She had already moved out. She had just returned, to visit, when this happened. If anything, it's more likely that this happened when it did, BECAUSE she was back.
Seeing somone in your apartment is not traumatic it shows how.many people went through that building..nothing more
What about when he was arrested he said "Did anyone else get arrested " ??
Maybe having something to do with the 8 hour gap to call police.
He actually said "Did anyone else get a rest, Ted?"
He said that cuz he’s a narcissist psycho with a toddler like mentality where he doesn’t wanna feel singled out and therefore more easily exposed. He wants to blend in, he wants others to blame in case he gets caught.
I heard he never said that. And that it was fabricated for the views.
Bu this time, many rumours had been swirling, about various suspects. The boyfriend, the hoodie guy, the neighbour, etc, etc.
He would have been following this, and asked that, wondering if they were looking at others too.
It will be difficult for witnesses to testify to incriminate Bryan while avoiding entangling themselves with the case by not calling the police about the murder for so long.
@@abelimwakijungu1226 being drunk is enough of a means to clear them of the crime
His alibi is, “i was driving around clearing my head, just outside the murder house, nowhere near my house or anyone i know.” That plus DNA is about all you need. Im sure they have more we just havent heard yet too.
Agreed
Let's hope! I hate hearing how everyone is blaming those college roommates! C'mon, we all know kids at that age accept things adults wouldn't.
But it's a tiny amount of touch DNA. The killer could have shook hands with him then touched the knife sheath.
They didn't find his DNA anywhere else or any trace evidence or DNA in his car or at his residence. Which is highly unusual is a violent stabbing of 4 people.
@@deborahgoffnett6046
We’ll have you looked into things going on at that school involving students? They all aren’t saints.
I don’t believe he said he was driving around near the scene. They better have a lot more dna than touch dna which could be explained away. There were a lot of people running around outside that night. What about the three unkown DNAs?
The "not calling the police till noon" point sounds odd, until you consider that these are college students who are partying *every* single weekend...
And it sounds like the witnessing roommate didn't have any definitive reason to think "this person just murdered my roommates" and so it seems entirely possible that she just passed out after that and slept till noon the next day, only then to find out what happened...
I have to respectfully disagree.
@@myraclayton1860 What reason does she have to think "this person just murdered my roomates"? and therefore, what reason would she have to go immediately investigate? especially given that she was very likely drunk
@@jessicaleigh5024 both the surviving roommates were texting the whole time. She has her phone. She opened her door three times. Seems very very strange
8 hrs to scrub the entire house
Donniedarko4497 You're the real assailant no? Sounds like it!
And all the students knew before the police
No
@@BexySC then why were the sorority girls at the vigil yesterday saying they were getting messages and everyone was sad and this was before police were called.
@@pamelasmith6221 ffs that was not what she said.
@@pamelasmith6221 and this is how false information is started
I saw a Interview where a student said, that he knew about it,none of the girls made the emergency call, that will be the reason why we have never heard the 911 call before?.
The sheath is not the murder weapon
@@Darlene-zw2ki and?
@@MartinVonMartian-ut4mh and there's no proof it even held the murder weapon
@@Darlene-zw2ki except Bryan told me he did it and with that K bar knife too
For Dylan to get so concerned as to open her bedroom door 3 times, how much time was between each time she opened her door?
Less than 15 minutes. Just after 4am - 4:17am.
So she opened her door every few minutes or so?
@@usakiwi1986 yes, 3 times. It’s a lot when you think about it so she must have heard quite a bit. I think she will know if it was BK or not as soon as she saw a picture of him when he was arrested.
@@alistairsmith5389no. His face was covered. She can't identify him.
Dylan heard crying. She heard someone say that it's okay they're going to help them? Then she seen a dark figure? After all that you'd call you're friends and if they didn't answer call the police.
What if she thought the police might be involved? That would certainly be a reason for not calling 911.
Honestly do not believe they have the right suspect. The DNA is a huge piece as the one said "No blood as we know has been found in the car." After 4 people tragic incidents there would be DNA of at least one inside the vehicle.
Cleaning maybe
4:29 - All those points sound like issues that could have been dealt with in an open transparent Preliminary Hearing NO??
He was studying crime etc.... he circled that house like a shark and then he struck. He turned his phone off and either buried or burned the overalls he wore and the murder weapon. Stripped the car of blood etc... that was a PARTY house. People came and went. Dylan may have been creeped out - but she was tipsy and just locked her door and went to bed. People need to lay OFF OF HER
You make it sound so easy to remove all traces of blood from a vehicle.
"Stop blaming the woman... focus on the MAN!!"
- translated from Feminist to English
Unless you were there you don’t know more than anyone else. Everything you mentioned are assumptions. 🤦🏻♀️
So you were there and saw it all ???
And the roommates amd even without a reply she went to bed
In my opinion, the roommate reaction does not make sense. She goes to sleep right away? Uhmm if somebody is scare to dead, it is impossible! Calling the policed until next day? I think she should had been investigated too. The law just took her words for granted. Was the room dark when she saw his bushy eyebrows? That is very strange.
I think the delay in calling 911 will make sense to us once roommate testifies. Freezing and denial is a trauma response. Ultimately, this poor girl is going to be traumatized for very long time - or for life. My heart goes out to both surviving roommates and all the families.
No, more like tripping balls on shrooms and was paranoid af.
Why is everyone automatically treating her like a victim?
@@bobsink624 because she is a victim. Something horrible happened to her. We don’t need to be questioning whether or not she’s a victim, police already did that and they cleared her
@@bobsink624because she is!
@@bobsink624not everyone....I see more negative comments on here than I do positive regarding the surviving victims
I heard this is a huge cover up for the Moscow police
Speculation about this case is pointless. Not that that would stop anyone from doing it..
I’ll wait for the evidence to roll out in court.
I also wonder why the 911 call hasn't be released yet, what is on it that can't be shared now they have had a suspect arrested
The 911 call wasn't even about the murders. It was about dylan collapsing in the driveway. But yeah, zero reason to not release it.
It's insane to me that LE continues to push the earlier description of the car, even though it is not the same model as BK. It's insane to me that not one of the students who were "visiting" the residence after the crime were taken in for questioning. It's insane to me that the Sigma Chi Idaho "brothers" were not taken in individually and questioned after learning of an altercation regarding the use of steroids and which Xana was key to breaking up. It is also insane to me that the knives seen on multiple occasions in the possession of said brothers and match the description of the murder weapon were not confiscated from the Sigma Chi and tested. It's insane that the roommates did NOT call 911 for so long. It's insane to me that there was no blood or evidence found in the house outside the bedrooms. The list goes on and on. This whole case is a sham, not the murders certainly, but the conviction of BK BEFORE these things are answered. Justice for the families and loved ones but not save face for the university and LE for God's sake.
LE did not push the description of the car. An FBI agent gave LE the car description, and they went off of that. The FBI agent said he simply made a mistake at first with the car description. How do you know the students were not taken in for questioning??? How do you know the CHI knives matched the description of the murder weapon?? This case is not a sham. What's insane to me is that you state so many things without sources cited.
Are you an investigator on the case or are you just assuming those people weren’t taking in for questioning?
I do admit I said the above incorrectly and for that I do apologize for anyone who takes offense. Everyone has an opinion and I am entitled to mine regarding this case. I do find it insane that LE went out and arrested one man on a miniscule amount of touch dna that may or may not have been "planted". Do they know how the dna got there? Do you? As for the kabar knives owned by the Sigma Chi, that does happen to be the type that belongs to the sheath and also has been stated was the murder weapon. As for the questioning of all the suspicious people, not one word has been reported, alluded to or in any way stated that any of these people were taken in. Only one, Bryan Kohberger. They certainly didn't keep that out of the headlines.This is pointless to ramble on. I am heartbroken and grasping at straws and merely stating my feelings on this case as hundreds of other people have. Have a good evening and keep asking questions.
@@p.smurph5580 investigators have been tight-lipped since the beginning and now there’s a gag order. They aren’t going to give us a list of who they interviewed! There’s 0 reason to assume an interview didn’t happen just because we didn’t hear about it. We haven’t heard about any interviews
And no, it’s not just the DNA. They also have evidence that very likely puts BK at the crime scene- his phone and car. And who knows what else they now have since they’ve arrested him. There’s a gag order. We have to wait until the trial. They have no interest in presenting the evidence to us right now
@@Manatee4Scale
Psmurf is assuming big time. They want Bryan to be innocent so badly because lower rung people subconsciously enjoy having killers running the streets loose, so they keep assuming they are innocent.
1:45 Repulsive photo.
Who cries after being punctured/pierced/torn/stabbed to the point of death? If there was only one perpetrator and the victims were in pairs, one of each pair would have screeched in utter terror while the other was brutalized. Unless they were all zonked out cold but then was it really Xana that called DoorDash? That leads me back to suspicion about Emma Bailey and Demetrius Robinson doing a blitz attack. Robinson is a young, strong, bad guy. Not 20's young but man prime young, in his 30's.
If Dylan did hear "crying" she's using a euphemism because at that point, according to her timeline from which everything revolves, it was the final groans of a fading life.
I'm 100% with you, well said
A madman acts quickly. Hope you never run across one.
@@matildagreene1744 Do you know Madman to make that assesment? The crime could happened in 8 minutes, if BK had a gun. Those poor kids put up a fight. They fought back! IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. IT was atleast 4 Frat Bros in that house.
I’ve had this same thought. If there were two people in each room and only one perpetrator.. wouldn’t the other scream in terror while the other was attacked? How would the roommate not hear this?
With his knowledge (school) of criminal behavior, etc...he would know where to strike first so there would be no screams. @@lynnelimehouse9128
Remember, we DO NOT know ALL the evidence yet.
There is more evidence than we're seeing here. We'll see the rest at trial, and not before.
why were the guys using bleach to clean the inside of their car , that red mustang? the neighbors saw this and reported it and why were some people unassociated so quick?
So if she saw someone leaving at 4ish in the morning and was afraid. Why did a neighbor see her outside at about 8:30 am with 4 other people smoking a joint?
I thought they said his phone was off...Make your minds up
Freeze is a trauma reaction.
Freeze doesn't text with the only other surviving roommate.
Dude lied when he said the guy was in the area around the time of the murderers. First he claims his phone pings put him there. Then he goes on to say his phone was turned off between 2:50 and 4:45. How did they get pings from his phone around 4:20 if the phone was off?
No, we don't know his cell phone was in the area since it couldn't be tracked. Investigators theorize it was turned off or in airplane mode.
I do believe I heard his car had gps though.
We know it was in traveling with the car and we know the car entered and left the area.
@@abebuckingham8198
Pings aren’t reliable and him being in the area doesn’t prove he ended their lives.
@@reinasherman8009 Car movements were only recorded on security cameras. No GPS was mentioned.
He’s trying to get away with the “perfect” crime!
OJ did that already.
I don't believe he did it and I think the what they found at the scene was placed there.That man is innocent
He’s innocent imo
@@deborahbeltz718 - care to try that again? This time with appropriate spelling and punctuation?
@@wickedcabinboy🙄
Frozen girl should be prime suspect not bryan
I do wonder what investigative searches were done in her room and on her phone...
@@Kay_Watermelon if she was a dude instead he would be prime suspect rn
Eye yall leave that man alone
Wouldn’t there be bloody footprints left all over?
Not if he didn't hang around as they bled out.
And friends had been through the house before 911 got there, so the entire place would have been contaminated.
BK is guilty
Yes he is
Very difficult case because of the time lapse in the 911 call. The hours that went by is hard to understand. Would really have to hear the testimony from the roommates in order to comprehend it.
No DNA in his car or his Apt. Even if he cleaned everything thoroughly how could a trace not be found?
No, the call time has no bearing, the two surviving roommates were asleep. Why would he have their DNA on him, it didn't sound like there was that much blood, when he left there was no blood trail, he may have had some blood on his stabbing hand and on the knife, or he could have wiped the blade and had minimal on his hand. Then he exits behind the house climbs the hill and gets in the car, or he pulls off a layer of clothes there, either way he leaves and dumps the knife and clothes on his extended drive that night.
I am not at all blaming the roommates and fully aware that they did not make that call. A friend of one of the victims did.. The trial will have the details. I am only shocked to say the least that some type of DNA or traces of evidence was left in the house, car or apt.
But there is a gag order in place so I do believe there could be much more evidence that they have.
Also can't believe there wasn't more cameras around then the few we've seen. Probably alot more evidence than they are showing. Even my little house has 2 porch cams and one inside.
Yes this, if you follow this channel there's going to be a lot more stuff that comes out in the wash!!!
Can't wait for the defendant family statements(submitted) where therey thought it was him,
@@autumn1734: I can’t imagine those statements have much evidentiary value unless they were given to police investigators with some sort of verifiable reason for their suspicions. Otherwise they’re likely just useless conjecture.
@@violetacasanova15 Or the OTHER perpetrators!
Yes 💯
It's not enough. For four bloody murders? It's ridiculous. I'd still be on alert out there.
They don't always have a reason to do these horrible things
There os always a reason..you may not like it
There's NO VALID REASON but the murderer is a SICK PSYCHOPATH!
Not always, but most of the time they do have a reason and or motive and when it's as brutal as this thing was, that's generally a clear sign that it's personal. This is another reason why it seems to me like they may have the wrong person.
he did his old neighbour and classmates said that he had mentioned wanting to know what it felt like to commit a murder
Makes NO SENSE that the girl who saw an alleged perpetrator did not call 911. SCREAMS were allegedly heard- NO CALL. AND when other students made the call for the girl, they stated, "someone is unresponsive." COME ON... that's BS. There was MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF BLOOD everywhere. 4 young, healthy students (living on 2 different floors), bludgeoned by one person with a knife 🔪... and NO DNA in car or anywhere in his apartment. SOMETHING'S AMISS!! AND why was the 1st floor skipped??! If that MORTENSON girl testifies as a witness, the defense attorney is going to SHRED HER!! 8 hours of time ⏲️ goes by B 4 calling 911. That's a LOT of F****NG TIME!
Immediately i'm a man and I would have called
Sometimes it's not right. I don't believe that that police department had charged somebody falsely and put him in prison before with false evidence
@@dbrown6807 I don't believe that either... but something's just not right.
That police department had put somebody in prison which they lied about this person a while back and there was a lawyer that had got the person out of prison
I actually think that lawyer that he has she's the one that done that
I think he should take the stand to put his education to use !
I think that is what Bryan is doing now
I think he's already loving every minute of this, wants to see the criminal court system from the inside out and wants to act like the smartest person in the room until the end.
@@Kay_Watermelonlike Ted Bundy.
Sounds a bit more than circumstantial to me.
The entire case is circumstantial. Name one thing that is concrete evidence.
There was one tiny piece of DNA on a knife sheath.... not even a knife. Nothing in his car. Nothing in his apartment.... That's not really possible, is it? I heard the car going back home had been planned for months because it needed fixed, or something. Also, it was a party house and there are allegedly drugs going to and coming from that house. There are a whole lot of cell phones pinging that area throughout the weekends. So, are any of those people being investigated?
And what about the ladder? Leading up to Xanas room with foot prints on blood outside her window?
This trial is going to be the most watched since Heard vs Depp.
Loads of Money
everyone know how it will end up... sooner or later he will get life and thats it... case is closed
Did they decide if they are allowing cameras? 🤞🏻
@@paul9478I mean it is conceivable that he could get off. Stranger things have happened. Look at Oj and Casey Anthony.
@@paul9478 this is a death penalty case though.
I had a roommate that used to bring home strangers from the bars, I once had a naked man suddenly standing in the hall outside the bathroom as I was getting ready for work... Another time I woke up to see one of her male friends standing next to my bed, just standing there in my room! I understand the roommate locking herself in her bedroom after seeing a stranger in the house.
Yeah people act like the only reason she would’ve locked her door is because she thought there was a murderer in her home like is that the only time y’all lock your doors??
I’m not convinced he’s the killer
There’s so much stuff that is not there that makes me suspicious
No finger print, no hair
Nothing under the victims nails
Nothing in his car and appartement after a very messy crime with a lot of blood.
The cell phone thing is bs
He planned it with going with his own car
And why not leave the cell phone home
Weird
Yep. Nothing we have seen so far proves anything. I want to see something solid that physically ties him to the murders. There were a ton of people around that area. They cleared them all?
Lol
It’s weird because he’s weird.
i agree. they need some type of DNA, video evidence or something. @@pamelasmith6221
Coverall clothing will prevent a victim from scratching and nothing will be under nails. How about the Dickies coverall he bought? He had time to clean up when he took the long way home. He studied criminology. He knows all the tricks. He was obsessed with at least one of the victims and also with murder
If I was blamed for a crime like this I would scream get angry fight for my rights I've not once seen this guy try hard I truly believe he did it
Still unbelievable this even happened…😢
😢 I still do NOT understand WHY one of the female college students left alive. DID NOT call the Police for about 7.5 or 8 hours after the 4 college students were ficiouslly and horrifically murdered by being stbbed to death, that is, murdered. Why were the 2 college students' friends invited over much sooner. I think Paul's friend called the Police? There is theory that drug dealers had all 4 students murdered and the 2 living students called their friends go clean up the scene before calling the Police.
All I remember is all the finger pointing that took place thr first Month. Those poor boys that were with them at the food stand ... it was crazy
They were all delinquents if you ask me. Up to no good, publicly intoxicated, while the good students were in their dorms studying or doing research in the libraries.
@@RobbieStacks90uhhhh lol.. people who are social and let loose a-little in college are probably more successful in life IMO. You know who looks like a creep with no social life who stays inside all the time studying, Bryan Koberger.. just saying, going out and partying in college doesn’t make them “delinquents”. 🙄
@@RobbieStacks90The girls were there too, were they up to no good?Delinquent? Listen to yourself.
Those boys did not deserve to be unfairly accused for being at a food truck.
Even Koburger was convicted & given the death penalty within 24hrs in the court of public opinion. It's insane. To much finger pointing & labeling. Let the justice system work. It's not perfect but it needs to be allowed to run its course.
@@RobbieStacks90you need help or are a troll. But you’re a weirdo nevertheless
@@dorothymcguire737nobody is stopping the trial from “running its course”. You’re just being a dramatic crybaby cuz you want attention.
These are the same things we've heard many times. Nothing new here.
This dude is sick, if he is innocent we would see him act differently
if he were innocent he'd be bouncing off the walls screaming to get out.
If he's innocent, the Goncalves family needs to make amends by marrying Kaylee's older sister Olivia to Brian. That's what plenty of families in biblical stories from the Old Testament used to do. It also makes sense because he and Kaylee interacted over social media.
@@WordsBloom not especially- think how hysterical you'd be if you were in jail for a murder you didn't do- staring down life in prison or the death penalty. Most normal people would be a hot mess...not calm and giving tight lipped grinch smiles.
@@WordsBloom it's good to be calm and idle when confronted with the death penalty
If he’s innocent he’s acting correctly, by remaining silent.
I am worried about 12 jurors finding him guilty. He also seems too relaxed to be on trial for Capital punishment on 4 murders.
What nobody ever brings up is the putrification of blood over time. Blood turns with an atrocious metallic smell that is overwhelming in just hours. After hour 4...it wouldn't even be tolerable to be in that house. There was so much blood at this scene that it was literally oozing out the side paneling of the house itself. You certainly wouldn't have been able to sleep through that overwhelming putrification. It would have been through the entire house unbearable. There's no way anyone in the house wouldn't have known. No way for anyone to sleep through such fume permiation. No shot.
Maybe why the doors were left open? And also to throw off the timeline by cooling the victims?
I beg to differ being a mortician but, you are entitled to your opinion.
Meh... The attention span of Gen Z girls is pretty low. I could see them not noticing a smell or ignoring... Even that smell...
Not if your door was closed . Also the blood oozing out of house was debunked . Blaming the victim is ridiculous.
@@jonmurphy4889 then you've never smelled it then. Ask anyone who has. It's preoccupyingly overwhelming - not "just" a smell
I am interested in the Kohberger/Kopacka link, and the Drug house behind 1122 King Rd. Apparently the path goes up the hill past the sliding door to the house behind.
He WILL NOT take the stand because the prosecution would destroy him and has absolutely no communication experience 😅
You should never take the stand in your own trial.
Guy is a premeditated murderer...
Was Brian the only man with bushy eyebrows in Idaho at the time on the murders?
And they’re not even that bushy 🤷♂️
One stick of butter or two sticks ? Looks like one stick in the pan .
I'm relieved he remains locked up no matter how long till trial. It is circumstantial evidence that has been publicized, just him cleaning his car & packaging his trash in his parents' house is enough proof he's guilty to me.
Would BKs car data show if his car was being driven or parked between 4 and 5am?
Did it have gps?
I would think so@@zzz7zzz9
Honestly i somewhat blame the roommates as well because no one will ever know if one of those 4 could if lived if the roommate called 911 right away. I will never understand that.
They wouldn't have due to the injuries sustained. He literally slaughtered them and if the heart doesn't have adequate blood flow within like 20 mins of that happening then they're gone. He made sure they wouldn't survive this. He mutilated their bodies and Xanas fingers were hanging off of her hand and Ethans legs were basically mutilated and Kaylee and Maddie were stabbed in the chest and stomach with guts hanging out from what I heard. No one would have survived any of that. That was the point of this...
From what we’ve heard, it doesn’t sound like they could’ve been helped. But either way, why would you blame the roommates for not calling 911 if they didn’t know they needed to
C'mon Man...how did tue sheath get there? Really?
Could've been there from dropping off, picking up or using drugs? Allegedly, that was a thing at that house. Could've been anywhere at all and put there by anyone at all during the crime or the 8 hours after.
Death Penalty??? That was FOUR people that we LOST!!!
DP takes 35 years to carry out in Idaho.
The phone was also switched off right at the time of the murders and switched back on after the murders.
Leave it to a defense attorney to say "a little minute piece of DNA" such an eye roll. It was plenty of DNA to run both tests.
yeah its direct DNA... the most damning kind. I just watched the episode earlier and it said they got his DNA by sifting through his trash and they matched his dads dna. It said nothing about the geneology tree...so what is it?
Innocent. Idiots.
Its touch dna lmao. Meaning someone other than him could’ve transferred it.
@@lloydchristmas1086 Maybe just Google that information
@@theinflluence I will be lmfao when the trial comes and BK is found guilty!
Definitely, NO DNA inside his car or place of living , No blood from him or the four victims in car or house, just a sheath, that is weak evidence and is looking subjective as solid evidence IMO.
Four ppl killed like this? By One guy not all that strong and capable to kill four humans like this. These had to have been others there etc. Unless all four were deep sleep from drugs & alcohol induced conditions which I seriously doubt that aspect possible
Four ppl ONE guy in close quarters? mmm, I'm hard pressed to say he did it ALL, maybe one-two not all four like this in close quarters though.
So far, I think this is going to be a very tough case to prove, so far, there is no weapon, there is no motive and there is no connection between him and the victims.
his dna is there lol wdym
My personal opinion is that he did it, but I think some unconstitutional and illegal tricks were used to pin him as the suspect.
@@psyoperatorsame
@@musselmanmedia5236 Prosecution continues to refuse to release the full DNA search and details specifically used to match the DNA to Kohberger.
You don't need a motive . I think they have tons of evidence.
How come there no blood on the knife Sheth
We don’t know that there wasn’t victims’ blood on the knife sheath, there very well may have been
I believe he is so narcissistic that he thinks he will get away the crimes, that he knows so much more than anyone else. I wonder if he was attracted to one of the girls and found out where she lived. That the killing of four in the same house was up to his abilities. If he gets away with this, he may kill again. Pure evil.
Oh I was pretty passionate about this case. I am nearly 100% certain that he did it. he's not getting away with it even if the courts find him not guilty then he's going to have to deal with me. he's not getting away with it one way or another. There's no way that their parents are not going to see justice for this
He apparently stalked Maddie
@@123carol321 there's no evidence for that.
@@o0o-jd-o0o95 you sound insane my friend.
@@xuxuang8574there actually is evidence, it was shown on his phone that he followed her, liked her photos and dmed her multiple times. You seem like you know it all so I’m surprised you haven’t found this out yet. Maybe look it up ;)
This guy is dreadfully difficult to stay focused listening to lol...
I am sure LE asked Dylan why she waited almost 8 hours to call 911 and why she would call friends to come over first, I am not sure why they are not releasing that to the public but I am sure we will at Trial
Was it dark in the house? Makes a difference to me
Why did the victims stay in the house after seeing the bodies? I would’ve ran out of the house scared the murderer would kill me next.
How did they know the murderer wasn’t still in the house hiding or coming back to kill them too?
Instead, they stayed in the house waiting for friends to come over before calling the police.
I have the same exact questions.
They ran out into the front parking area. There is zero evidence that they stayed in the house once they came out of their rooms in the morning.
There is no reason to think they stayed in the house after finding the bodies. We don’t know that they found the bodies before the friends came over, that’s 100% speculation. The bodies very well could’ve been discovered after the friends arrived
Early Christmas morning around 3:30am I woke up to dogs barking and the sound of a woman screaming bloody murder and gasping for air and screaming again. I do live in an otherwise peaceful and safe neighborhood. I woke up my husband and lifted the window and he said yes that’s a woman screaming. I called 911. While waiting on the police to arrive I called the police station and I was the only one to call them. WTH? No one else heard her? No one else thought to call for help? It’s very strange. The cops showed up to my home and we talked and they said this woman was crying out in pain because her children were taken away due to her drug use. Her mother took them away. Thankfully nothing gruesome or sad like she could have found her husband dead in his sleep and was freaking out. I didn’t know the scenario, but I’m glad that I’m on high alert.
Too much reasonable doubt
Like what?? 😂
It’s going to be very hard to prove with the evidence that we currently have, hopefully there’s a lot more evidence in this case that we don’t know
It blows me away how everyone is itching to convict him! What if he is innocent?
I'd question the other room mates who claimed to be asleep!
Key word is ... motive.
Motive is never the issue and in fact is not an issue at all legally speaking.
It's always a issue.
Motive does not have to be proven or even explained, in any case.
I think drugs were involved & was a hired hit. He may have been involved with others buying drugs from one of the survivors that has been rumored to have been distributing for her boyfriend. Could explain why he had reportedly been by pinged around the house 11 times.
@@KT-fm7dt: Interesting theory. You’re suggesting that he was a drug user who was hired to kill all his dealer’s housemates? Who do you think hired him? A rival dealer?
DM will have to testify at NK's trial.
He brought the same knife off Amazon.. they have that data all online shopping etc.. phone pings GPS etc .. they have a good amount. Also he was liking posts on social media.. and that it'd possibly je was the fake profile of paparoach.. talking about the murders . He's behaviors and getting fired from his job.. he's behavior after using gloves everywhere.. the list goes on
I thaught they found the victims ID in his car? Was that just another rumour?
Rumor. They found IDs, we don’t know whose. Could’ve been his
They confiscated ID's from his home in PA. Those were not his either as the police would not have any interest in his ID's but of ID's he may have either stolen from others or used aliases on.
Why is no one pointing fingers at the 2 girls that was in the house that night and got away?
Because they were already investigated and cleared
So they say his car was caught on cameras...lets see it.
My main question here is WHY 911 wasn’t called much sooner and were other students/friends actually alerted to the deaths before cops were called
The girl at the Vigil from yesterday said clearly - they all knew way BEFORE 911 call 💁♀️
That is 10000% a rumor. There is NO reason to think that other students knew that people had been killed before the cops knew
I do think there are at least Five physical witnesses One being a neighbor.
I believe that the roommate who claimed she did not hear anything, that morning is lying ,how do you freeze up at the sight of a stranger, and then close the door, and don't go and check out your house, she is a good liar and she just might have something to do with the murders, something doesn't pan out,
Corazon Amurao
She did not claim to hear nothing. I’d suggest reading official documents/statements rather than social media! Lots of misinformation and rumors. She told the police what she heard
We don’t know all the evidence that the prosecution has yet.