Guntubers do Force on Force with REAL GUNS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- We took @ForgottenWeapons, @PrintShootRepeat, @FirepowerUnited and @BlokeontheRange to Black Bear Solution SITE-B and pushed them in Force on Force battle with Arex MTX.
How do you think your average guntuber will do in close quarters battle scenarios?
Place your bets :D
Arex MTX is marker training ammunition that works in real guns with a special conversion kit that makes it impossible to fire live ammo (for safety reasons).
There are many similar training system on the market today but Arex MTX stands out with super accuracy and reliability - with a patented system of a copper wipe in the projectiles it leaves zero residue in the gun itself. Even after after a whole day of shooting and training the barrel looks as it was just cleaned.
Edited by Oleh Bilov 💯
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I see there are a lot of questions about the Arex MTX marking ammo. If you are interested, we made a separate video where we show how MTX works and how capable it is:
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Is this ammo / conversion kits available in the US?
@@kevinfitzpatrick5949 no
i think ATF has recently banned training ammo in the US for civilians for some unknown reason...
@@kevinfitzpatrick5949 No, cause they got mad their pistol braces ban was overturned, which decreased their revenue. In return they banned anything and everything else, including smoke grenades. (official reason: Simunition is a 'non-sporting' type of ammunition, as opposed to other ammunitions which are 'sporty', apparently. Also I know the [edit here] simunition ban was before the ban overturn, but dang)
@@PolenarTactical crybaby legislators...how the hell does one justify banning non-lethal simunition? Our country is so ass-backwards.
@@PolenarTacticalchevron difference is overruled, they have no say now unless congress passes something now.
Turns out that when you are a smaller person, you’re also a smaller target! Wild!
Are you a gun channel or a music channel dude
@@armthedillos2290 both?
@@PrintShootRepeat that’s gnarly brother 😘
You killed it brother!
I literally have all your songs in a playlist that I loop
Hearing Ian swear is a strange experience
that's a once in a decade ooccurrence
When did that happen? I was expecting it when he crashed through the wall, but he didn't say anything then surprisingly.
@@riflemanm16a2 After he got shot in the back during the duel.
Don’t worry that was just his stunt double under the mask.
@@Camino377Thanks, I heard that the first time, but it didn’t register!
How to breach a room.
Calvin: Door.
Bloke: Door.
PSR: Door.
Ian: Wall.
the only correct way
well, it will be an unexpected entry point!
On this episode of forgotten breaching.
@@precisiongaming8776 The tank parks in a wall!!!
three ways inside: use a door, open a door, make a door :)
PSR leading the charge up the stairs at the end of the video was hard as fuck
he didnt know the attacker moved so he was expecting to get shot - big balls move
Liked his decisiveness at the end. Badass!
He got those Main Character skills!!
There is absolutely zero about PSR that is “hard”. Guy is barely 5 feet tall.
@@gb8641 well whats the point of commenting then negative nancy
This is honestly the best way to train because it brings the realistic fear of getting shot and it hurting to the table. With that, it will show how well an operator will perform while their flight or fight responses are battling in their brains.
This is the main reason marking ammo can be a bit better for this kind of training - as long as people are afraid of getting hit, it will bring up a lot of adrenaline and better simulate a certain scenario than just airsoft.
But if you train a lot even MTX marking ammo will not scare you that much anymore so it can loose the value
I'll put my few cents here. I do historical fencing, and pain doesnt make training better. If you have too much pain - you learn to avoid it, not learn to be better. Avoiding pain in their case is using thin wooden covers and stuff, but in reality it wont stop any bullet.
Thats just from my experience, as an example, people usually revert to doing less risky moves to not get hurt, whilw ij reality, this move would've granted big success with low risk, but in a training scenario. getting hurt sucks with not much profit for skill.
@@PolenarTactical Plus train too much with it and the whole "concealment vs cover" training looses some value. Ex army here so cover was drilled into me, but playing paintball vs non military trained people will have me loose every day of the week.
They will tag me in that errant foot sticking out in the open while I try jogging painballs through a plywood wall I know isn't worth damn for cover if it was 5.56 I was shooting! Doh
I found paintball to be ""good"" training in the context of close combat for this exact reason [paintballs hurt] and additionally if you purposefully run your gear to mimic an actual fighting load with a full-face mask you'll be pissing sweat, thirsty, physically tired, sucking wind, fogged-up, and constantly outgunned in a way that forces you to adopt good habits when shooting and moving to compensate, which gets you out on top most of the time, especially if your team mates are receptive and can remember the trifecta of "shoot, move, communicate". Ofc the question of cover vs concealment can lead to training scars in theory but once you see what live rounds can do you get an immediate feel for the difference that would do away with all that if you had a head on your shoulders in a real steel scenario.
In short: know your medium and it's limits, and take the good from whatever experience you can get. And if you play airsoft, because paintball is dead; invest in low-cap mags and put weighted plates in your plate carrier.
@@Part.No.1xbil.Prod.Tp.MXMVIIIthere is no compensating for fogging up, you are just blind
Gun-Fu when that guy dodged all those close up shots
pure out of matrix
Bro is the scout from TF2. Bro drank Bonk
He didnt even dodge them. He just ran in a straight line
New Ready or Not update looks lit
god damn this looks fun.
Smart man on over watch.
Smart man stay sneaky far away.
Smart man call in air strike.
@@NelsonZAPTM so you're saying forward observers are smart men?
This is just Airsoft tbh but more expensive and the projectiles hurt more
@@southwestoklahomaairsoftcl9889 do you know any stupid FO's?
@@Virutosah Probably a bit better due to higher projectile velocity, and therefore not so much of the "dodge the pellet" effect happening.
Airsoft is not bad for CQB practice, but past about 10-15 feet, the slow pellet causes tactics to change.
Also, with this and with airsoft, there is no shooting through concealment like with real bullets.
Honestly Ian took the embarrassing stuff like a champ. 10/10 video everyone, would love to see you guys get together again!
We will all be attending Finnish Brutality match in August. Obviously we can't do FoF there but we can try to make some col content together. Any suggestions?
@@PolenarTactical honestly Finnish brutality seems pretty awesome itself. I don’t know the regulations so I’d hate to speak out of turn but you guys might get together for a “draw a gun out of a hat” style competition. Everyone picks a gun blindly that someone else picked/brought and has to complete a stage/a mini competition between you. You might get something you are familiar with, you might get something Ian found in a cave in the desert or some monstrosity PSR dreamed up. I don’t know if it’s feasible but could be fun.
@@nathanturner963 funny you say that, Jari had a similar idea 😅
@@PolenarTactical hey, I’d watch that video lol. It’ll either be hilarious or boring and there is only one way to know.
@@PolenarTacticalyes I have cool suggestions. You should go skiing between Ian and PSR if you know what I mean (double jerk job). Or maybe even let them do a wobbly H with you
@12:55 "I think we're on the wrong address", "does that mean we just shoot him?" LOL
The “We already shot your dog” at 11:15 lmao
Ahhahahaah:)
Woof woof
I heard "And we totally didn´t shoot your dog" - which made me crack up
Was scrolling the comments while the video played and I got to this one literally as they said atf, we already shot your dog. Lmfao
@@Mrspliffynice
2:09
PSR goin that extra mile with that bow 🤣🤣
That just looks fun.. painful but fun.. not only do you have the sound but you have pain avoidance in the form of what I call funwelts
Right? Lessons learned the fun way
Yeah too bad our gov is gay as fuck and basically outlawed civi training with em
That's paint ball
Anti-'cheater' 'hardware' established with MTX lol
0@@1Orderchaos
Psr being the battering ram and Ian falling through the wall😂
Psr be SEALing the deal.
3:44 is when ziga uses the battlefield spotting mechanic arm
Holy shit that WAS the arm motion from Battlefield
If Bloke really had learned from R6 he would have just shot through the soft walls. 😁
He should have cleared the rooms "Fuze-Style"
@@antiluckermd1956throw explosives first, ask questions never, hostages? What are those?
Pre-firing
@@bigchooch4434 Jari was clearly not a seasoned R6 vet since he didnt try to spawnkill them.
Dude, more of this. Legitimately learned something and laughed too!
That's good to hear!
So more force on force and CQB?
@@PolenarTactical absolutely, great content as always. You have a good balance of teaching and having fun with it!
@@PolenarTactical I'd love to see you bringing out veteran-tubers next time! I wanna see the difference between people shooting for a hobby compared to people with engraved skills
@@PolenarTactical Another yes vote from me. This is great content. Everybody there did a really good job considering how little time they had to practice.
Just guys being dudes 😂. Very refreshing video for the guntuber space.
PSR is the armorer who always has funky beats but will dome the first enemy combatant with the glong the moment things hit the fan
GET THE HELL OUT OF MY ARMORY, SPLIT-LIP!
I still find myself singing "its a glock thats also a bong" while i poop😂😂
You guys need to do more force on force with other gun tubers!
Would love to, the issue is that Slovenia is quite far away from US and this was just the perfect opportunity to do it after Lynx Brutality when everyone was still here.
We are talking with a company to possibly do a proper MIL laser training battle in the US over the course of a couple of days - that will also make a good video if we manage to actually do it
@@PolenarTactical glad to hear you guys have some more stuff being planned! Keep up the great work 🤘🏻
PSR with the Main Character skills!!! Good on you brother!!
Love the dose of reality with proper FoF training, good way for people to realize that nothing rarely goes to plan and there's a million and one ways to get fvcked up in CQC/CQB/MOUT, the urban jungle is some of the deadliest stuff we do.
Seeing Ian and PSR in the same video is like seeing a Superman/captain america crossover and is something I didn’t know I needed!
PSR presenting Ian his dualing weapon was priceless.
Loved how PSR mounted him by the end.
He got a bit too into the LARPing
giwtwm
Ian swearing and “we already shot your dog”!! Was hilarious. This is gonna be great if they get cheap enough.
Ian: I'm sure this won't change how people see me.. right?
oh gun jesus, you goofball xD
Bro as as soon as you started explaining room clearing, i just snapped back to the shoothouse in the Army. Bro you're nailing it, keep up the awesome training
Ian straight up demolishing the course.
There is nowhere for them to hide if there is no building!! 😆
That Gun Jesus Camo pattern is insane!
Good video. Excellent collaboration and presentation.
yeah. the best thing, it works.
@@AkiSan0 no argument there.
PSR at the end had massive balls of steel
2:10 😊Boys don't grow up, the toys just get more expensive.
Also PSR's absolute swagger, what a guy
Hearing Ian defend coffee is inspiring!
Whoa now easy! Simmer down a little, you're a wild dude.
@ketchupschouppe8497 You're right. I should sit down and re-think my life.
Thank you!
@@ElTejon47901lol nice one dude
Bloke on the range should also be hearing Captain Price yelling “Check those corners!”
I think PSR unlocked a past life starting at 14:00.
The way the instructor pointed a finger gun at his head at 14:28, showing the others... you didn't clear the room the guy was in. CQB looks so difficult to be honest, but they did an awesome job!
Awesome!!!! We utilized this technology in the early 2000’s in the Marine Corps but it required a whole different upper… not just the bolt.
Some of the most fun editing you all have done!
Thank you!
I think so too and i'll forward the message to Oleh, our editor :)
That was great! RIP Calvin it was a good ride man. The duel was outstanding, and PSR was a little ninja going up the stairs. Looked like way too much fun.
Only legal in Easten Europa. Last free space in the world
Im sorry if this is disrespectful, but who’s Calvin?
@@deadmate8335 0:21
@@deadmate8335 He's the one who got shot on the top of the head going up the stairs. Not sure who he is outside of that
@@TrueChaoSclx He runs Firepower United, he doesn't upload very often.
The gbrs knowledge transfer bit was hilarious.
Next knowledge transfer: field craft survival in prison challenge
@@maplemaple1439 meta tactic confirmed.
@@maplemaple1439 all charges were dropped, so get a new schtick
13:36 that FPS Doug reference 😂
yes it is 😅
@@PolenarTactical a fellow Pure Pwnage enjoyer, mega based
Psr just being his usual self is hilarious
Awesome video. PSR went pro gamer mode at the end there, dude moves swift. Mythical Ian swear, walls being torn down, human battering rams, this vid had everything!
After seeing the second address video I'm convinced PSR is a fed now LOL
Just realizing its the first time seeing PSR without Goggles.
0:03 what’s goin on??😧
oh god 😦
i would have PSR on my 6 any day. dude was in it at the end there lol.
I literally could watch this all day.
This was an excellent idea for a collab
Thanks!
I had trained with this system in my reserve training duty, we all found it to be the best simulator to date.
At first we used the protective gear that came with system but found it was best to wear 2 setes of uniform instead, didn't get any marks on the skin, using the head pro gear of course is a must.
Is that Gun Jesus?
no, it's his long lost Slovenian brother
Gun Jesus aka house breaker
Regular Jesus walks on water
Gun Jesus goes through walls
And his 12 Agents
@@PolenarTactical
his evil twin "anti gun Jesus"!?
The new Ready or Not update looks real epic!!
All jokes aside, I'm hoping that we get to see more of this.
NOT FULL AUTO IN BUILDING BRO!
"That's not full auto. This is full auto." *BZZZZZZZZRT*
@@f1r3hunt3rz5 Dayum bro, okay
Hell yeah!!! Hahaha!!!
Seeing psr here made me so happy.
Thats my people right there
Watching Ian literally demolish the course was great. Seems like a good way to learn from a practical perspective while still having fun.
Great video as always. More of this please!
Other: Breaching, Ready or Not style
Ian: Breaching, Rainbow 6 Style
Had a few good laughs through this video.
CQB definitely is definitely a lot harder than people think.
As a fellow vertically challenged gun dude, (5' 6") you did an outstanding job representing us! I salute you PSR!
This was amazing! Force on force is fun and will definitely humble you. Seeing Ian fall through a wall (9 or 10 times in a row) was hilarious!
11:16 “ATF Open Up!” “We’ve already shot ya dog” 😂😂
11:32 Oof, the triple flag 😂
When we did a bit of training all the guys were very mindful about their muzzle and did pretty well. But here there was an imminent threat of getting shot by OPFOR so they were all super stressed and target focused
@@PolenarTactical Yeah I guessed as much, but all that means is more training!
There are going to be situations where flagging is going to happen. The best safety is your finger.
@@UncleSam1732 we didnt actually do any training here, just quickly showed some basic concepts and pushed them into the scenario 😆
Flagging happens all the time in real war. Lol.
This has strong airsoft vibes. I'm all for force-on-force training, but I don't know if this is better than using less expensive airsoft replicas.
Airsoft is a good cheap tool for all kinds of training, from precisions hooting, IPSC, tactics and force on force, if done correctly. This marking ammo just takes it one step further because it hurts like hell and people are actually afraid to get hit so they take it more seriously
I've been accused of being a sore loser as I didn't even know I was hit while playing airsoft.
I prefer paintball as there's no questioning whether or not you're hit. Far more energy behind a paintball.
This looks like a blast to play, combining my two favorite aspects of airsoft and paintball.
@@PolenarTacticalagreed 100%, I Airsoft a fair bit but have also used simunition and the extra pain/noise factor definitely has me much more on edge and hesitant to make any reckless moves like I’d do in airsoft.
PSR is the tiniest cop.
2:36 He really did the CS:GO death sound
PSR for the clutch!
I did training in the Navy with Sim guns during SRF-A and NCB, and while they don't feel great to get hit by, if i could train force-on-force for fun with them every day I would. it's SUCH a good time.
You documented Ian dropping the f-bomb, you mad lads
This was so much fun to watch! Probably the best crossover episode out there yet
Glad PSR was there, good addition to the training session.
Damn looked like too much fun all around. Watching Ian go koolaid man on the wall just had me busting up. PSR becoming the ramrod. Gotta love this channel.
damn! that' was a missed opportunity for inserting a Family Guy clip 😆
Bloke rocking the Townsends hat 😎
man you guys gotta do more MTX videos they're my fav!
That's the goal. You have any special ideas in mind?
@@PolenarTactical Off the top of my head maybe consider like a GunTuber Search and Destroy game but with MTX. Like in Call of Duty or Rainbow 6 Siege
Theory of cqb: check corners, be 360 degree aware of your surrounding, remember the layout, cover your comrades
Practice of cqb: *GRENADES*
great job, PSR!! You're brave!
Too much fun. Definitely illegal.
it's a tough job but someone has to do it
PSR jumping to full butt mount is absolutely what i was expecting 😂😂😂
Great content! I enjoyed this so much I felt the need to comment, which I rarely do. Good fun watching Ian tear the place down. 😂
Thank you, that's good feedback!
4:00 the cameraman know what is priority
4:34 - It's like the Rooftop Shootout Scene from the The Naked Gun 2½! 😂
Those were good movies :D
Loved the PSR battering ram!
9:30 Ian just wiping out has got to be the funniest fucking thing I've seen in a while considering that he's gun Jesus.
PSR at 0:46, "Fuck I thought I was at Bronycon" with his costume on.
EVERYONE needs to experience this.
This was a top notch creator crossover video! Very enjoyable!
This was some of the funniest content I’ve seen in a while.
Finally something soo fun to watch!!
Thx Ziga!
2:02 That is really brave words:)
4:35 Matrix!!
9:30 Wow Ian is soo strong he just broke walls for tactical purpose.
That end was really cool,give them some resistance!
More of this training pls.
Hell yeah! Been waiting for another MTX video for ages
PSR's curtsy @2:11 was incredible. man is too funny
Damm, this Arex ammo is really the closes thing which can simulate the real combat. It seems that no matter how good you are, there will be always casualties in CQC combat.
thats exactly what the takeaway should be,
the best way to avoid getting killed in a gunfight is to not get in a gunfight. Because its chaos and no amount of training and preplanning can accommodate for the random dude blind fireing around a corner
This is why i don't want a civil war or to go to war. There is no coming out of a situation like this alive.
9:30 was fucking hilarious, im sorry ian just the way it happened was fucking funny
this definitely should be a series where different guntubers are invited out.
That was awesome!
thanks :)
Goes through a wall
10:13 almost knocks over wardrobe
Ian woke up and choose violence that day 😂
CQB does not exist. There is "I have enough grenades" and "no i won't breach that so I can live another day"
That's great advice. Your mom says your pizza rolls are done. They are upstairs next to the job listing's and the body wash.
@@scaryalbino8807 enjoy not existing when your overlords push you into service
@@scaryalbino8807 💀
Damn he must be part of delta force with those tactics
This should be a standard Combat sport from now on.
PSR and Gun Jesus together at last!
12:44 that dude got some amazing Gyat.
"It's definitely comin' out pretty fast" - PSR 6:9🧙♂