Hi there my fist ever experience with airsoft. Was back I “1994” when a “Friend” burst into his living room holding a FAMAS and then proceeded to light me up whilst wearing no eye pro. 🇬🇧
I grew up visually impaired and got into airsoft around 2010, living in Alaska and not being able to drive I never got to play at all, fast forward to 2012 and I got to play a single CQB game, then moved to a completely new area and had to start from scratch and just didn’t bother with airsoft anymore. Now that I’m getting back into it after going completely blind, I’m absolutely astonished at the jump in quality. Picked up a $150 open box mystery box from Evike expecting to get something relatively cheap, currently cuddling the EMG Helios Overthrow Carbine that came instead. I may never be able to play the game again, but at least I can enjoy the guns.
I'm an Alaskan youth who lives in the south central area, the sport is slowly growing around here. I bought my first airsoft gun around 2 months ago then bought a CYMA RPK last month. Thank you for doing tour part in making sure this 'sport' didn't die in its early stages up here.
Some Crossman guns are actually pretty good. The "M3" is just a copy of the TM shotgun and the C11 is a pretty good el cheapo CO2 pistol. I'm not sure if Crossman invented the C11 mechanism, I think so since I saw them with it first and now all kinds of chinese companies copied it and put it in random bodies for sub $50 NBB guns. Crossman BB have also been pretty good. Yeah, people will start complaining but most 0.12g BB suck being very brittle, however Crossman's 0.12g glow in the dark and their normal weight BB 0.2 and up are actually pretty good without bubbles. The only problem is that aside from their glow in the dark BB, Crossman is actually more expensive than unbranded BB that tend to be of equal or greater quality. A 5,000 container is $10-15 while a no name 15,000 bag of 0.25g is only $12
I remember when Crosman .2g BB's were the smoothest and most accurate you could buy lol. BB's sucked back then, there was no such thing as a tight bore barrel then. Hell, most had seam lines and were pockmarked with air bubbles...
you guys talking about this makes me reminisce of the time I got into airsoft... I still remember you either had TM, CA, or garbage. I think it's just so fascinating and awesome to observe the improvement of technology over time, whether it's for airsoft or just in general. Love you guys.
I actually broke a CYMA AK once. It was only because all my body weight was pressed onto my gun after tripping over a stump. The medal cracked from behind the hand guard to the magwell.
this is so cool. been playing airsoft for a year and run a arp9 with a titan and dsg. 45rof and a triggerresponse like nothing else. so hearing you talk about the "struggles" with the old guns gives me the good vibes from fixing old cars. "how fast from 0-60?" my answer; 1965.
"The clone revolution"...love it. I remember my favorite site back in the day was shorty USA and good ol airsoft GI. My first AEG was the CYMA 032 M14 and that thing was a fuckin tank! I would say that was around 2009-2010 and was on par with the AK's they make now.
I have my very 1st HFC green gas M190 from 2003. No I didn't spend $300 on any of my air soft, because I couldn't afford it. I bought plenty of Springer's that were in the 300 FPS range and even a sniper that was a 400 FPS sniper which was unheard of back then. I absolutely agree that the quality you can get for the price now has drastically jumped. There were no fields in my home state so a lot of it was playing on farmland with my buddies, and I got out of it around 2009 when a lot of my buddies began graduating and I didn't have a group to play with anymore. I came back about 2 years ago and was absolutely blown away with the advancements that were made, it was like I time traveled to the future.
@MemoryDecipheR We used to follow hit rules similar to Halo. Extremities took 3 hits, body shots took 2 hits, and head shots were one hit and you were out of the game. I think had air soft fields existed in my state and that information was redily available to us we may have gone to them, but living in Colorado, I've spoken to plenty of players who have told me that fields didn't really come around until 2009 or 2010 and by then I was out of airsoft.
I've still got my 20 year old TM M16a1. Still working, all original parts except inner barrel and hop rubber. I occasionally run it as my primary, still get good game out of it.
The TM guns always shot nicely out of the box but they were so freaking flimsy. I saw so many of them break in half just from being carried on a sling.
I got lucky then, I started playing towards the end 2010, I still remember some of the crap brands like star and having to have work done on my first gun, a JG s-system
I remember going to a paintball shop, maybe '98 or '99, and seeing these japanese replica bb guns that used a weird "green gas". Interesting, but obviously not a sport that would stick around... So, airsoft in 2019.
I started in 1987, when my brother and I got a Tokyo Marui MP5A2 and a Marushin 3/4 scale shotgun. Both were springers, and the MP5 had surprisingly good accuracy. I still have an old MGC Calico M100 :)
My team just recorded a podcast to come out in the new year... hitting on EXACTLY these things! It's super interesting to see that across the seas, we experienced the same thing. Love these videos.
I got into the sport in 2006. All I had was a TM G36C, Evike either wasn't around or not known to me at that time. Only place I had to game at was a small and uninspiring indoor paintball place, plus I had to get all my BDU's at a local surplus shop which charged way too much for generic gear. I put the game on hiatus in 2010 and now that I'm back, I'm amazed at how much has changed. Like holy moley and great oogly moogly there are so many options. The fact that GBBR's are now a thing has me tickled every shade of pink imaginable. Now I've got a GHK M16 with Masterkey set up and a frigging M132 Microgun and I don't need to order from Hong Kong or Taiwan and wait forever to get my things. Evike is just a credit card and about a week away :D
Back in the day, around 2008-2009 I had a g&p Sam-r with a systema revolution gearbox with a m130 equivalent spring in it. I loved that thing. Now my stock Tokyo Marui HK416 with just a pdi 6.01 is good enough for me. I also have a video of one of my 1st gen vfc hk416 dating from that era.
It’s a even bigger deal in the UK. We have had several major legislative episodes that define what Airsoft is. What power levels are legal. Replica imitation firearms sales are banned unless the purchaser has a specific defence. Been playing since 2001
ok so I live in brazil where airsoft is realy expensive, for example the cm16 raider in brazil is 400 dollars(a very reliable way to know the price of an airsoft gun in brazil is, you take the american price for example 200 dollars, then you multiply it by 10 and divide by 4, wich will be the price in dollars of the same gun in brazil). So getting to the main point now. Ive been wanting to get into airsoft and i am a realy big fan of aks but whenever I go on reddit I see people telling begginers to not buy a cyma and instead "just save up for an lct", but the thing is, the price difference is waaaaay bigger in brazil, so im asking you guys: Is it worth it to "just save up for an lct" considering the 200 dollar difference in price?
Tanaka M700, Asahi M60, gas ruled. Spokane Devil Dogs struck fear into hearts with them. Spring guns and AEGs broke. Except TM, unless you tried to upgrade it and knocked the TM pixie dust off. My plastic TM M4 still flexed when you leaned it up against the wall. I remember breaking open my first gear box....shit went everywhere! No one to call for help. Japanese cartoon manual..... I pulled my hair out. Fun, fun!
ArmchairWarrior We are from NE Washington so its never “too hot” generally. But I don’t doubt it. It certainly wasn’t consistent. But it chrono’d at the high end right at 600 fps.
I remember in 06-07 playing on the street with all the neighbor kids. We had a super 9 sniper rifle , a TM mp5 with a stripped gear box and two half broken winding magazines and everything else was spring or clear AEGs from big 5. Maybe two kids had green gas pistols that they ran as springers because they had no idea how to maintain them
I've had a guy tell me, a few months ago, that he uses 'heavy weight .25s' in his gun, I was just deciding that .28s were a bit light for my tastes, I'm still confused about that shit.
I absolutely love this channel guys. Keep up the good work, the last video about gear for bigger dudes was fucking awesome. I have my all my gear already the way I like it but I thoroughly enjoyed hearing what you guys had to say. Cheers guys!
This video realy brung back memories. i remember being 14 ish 15 years old and buying a classicarmy m16a4 and classicarmy ak 101 in canada back in like 09. over 1200$ and the m16 lasted 300 round before stripping the piston... had to replace the piston with no knowledge of working on aegs. but i did it. Im a sucker for clones. the jgs m4 s system in their nice tm lookalike boxes.... i have nostalgia for this time...
I'm just getting back into it now at 31... I went to two big ops in like 9th grade... yeah.... you had to have MONNNEEEEYYYY if you wanted to play back then. I remember both ops I ended up just using a spring pistol cause all my crap was broken!
was nice hearing the chat. I still have a king arms M4 I got 8 years ago in Dicks sporting goods. the piston finally wore out last year. still running it XD
Honestly, the next milestone will be full metal aeg with decent internals and wiring for 75-100 bucks. Currently i'm pretty happy with my cm521 that I paid 80 for, and it's mostly platic, but for around 20 dollars, i was able to replace the top cover and trigger guard with metal ones and it makes the gun feel a lot better overall. My next replacement will be a metal charging handle, just trying to find what will work best.
Nice explaination, i like your humor XD. I can barely remember the beginnings, my first airsoft gun i remember was a TM VSR10 G-Speck, around 16 years ago. But they did not change over the decades XD. But AEG's is so true. I know why my second buy was a KWA GBBR six years ago. I decided to get an AEG last year, and decided to get a VFC Avalon. Surprisingly VFC made their handguards (as far as i know) from T6 6061 Aliminium, what's exacly the same material Strike Industries (The Keymod 416 slim line and Crux rail) made their rails for the HK416 out of it. So in this case VFC is as good as the real steel in material, same for the Madbull replicat, they ase made from T6 6061 Alu, just as the real steel counterparts. But i agree, some T6 7075 Alu externals would be a good thing, and maybe a good Cerkote on highend guns. Thanks for this nice video, it was hilarious to listen to you, and you are so right.
When I played heavily in 2011, Classic Army and Pantac were the top dogs. I remember I paid like $300 and some change for My classic Army M4 and like another $300 for my pantac plate carrier and some change for all the pouches. Imagine my surprise when I started investigating airsoft for a return back in march, and those two companies were no longer top dogs. It's kind of nuts what all has changed.
Don’t forget before the polarstar there was all the escort guns made back in the 90s and then the newer versions of the systems were the daytona guns essentially and considered holy grails in the airsoft world along with brands like asahi
I'm trying to get people to start using local shops here in central Ohio and was wondering what cheapish upgrade someone would recommend for my g36c (it was my first gun and is still my baby don't judge) to show off the great work they do to get more people in the door. Too many kids are just using evike.com and airsoftgi ignoring local shops
OMG, Noobs reflecting on the past! I have been playing since 1993, been teching for as long as that. Back then we ran hoses, had high ROF/FPS plastic guns, and LRB barrels, and spammed lots. Oh wait, Nothing has changed... Well it has changed. There are some good points raised in the video. Quality and durability of guns have definitely improved as they used to be plastic (due to Japan laws around amount of full metal externals in fear of conversion to real guns). Since the Taiwanese and then the Chinese picked up, the quality has been going up and up, basically because CNC is becoming far cheaper and more available. Yes, the price difference is now more due to quality controls. However, I very much disagree with the performance improvements. Maruis have been able to reach 150ft consistently under 1J with stock hop ups. A marui MP7 /Skorpion AEP can do that out of the box. We used to skirmish with First Gen Classic army M4s hitting out to 180ft with its 1J spring. R hops may be able to give more vertical consistency but like LRBs it can only function IF it is tuned for a particular ammo weight. Standard Hops can and will hit out to 250ft with the right ammo. Though is often about the assembly and sourcing of the right parts. Marui rubbers are really precise, and the balance between the hardness of the nub and the rubber generates consistent lift for a particular range of BBs. Thats another thing, availability of ammo. In the past, anything more than 0.25g is already too rare and expensive to use for standard rifles, as they are seen as specialist ammunition. Maruzen APS systems used to be tuned for 0.32g match grade ammo. Now, we can get bags of 0.36g-0.42g BBs to use on our rifles. With added weight comes added range. Even a 1J rifle on a 0.36g BB will get out to 250ft though in 7-8 secs. Parts have become more available, yes, and more durable. However guns still fail, and they still fail at the same places; stripped pistons, gears, worn bearings, motor brushes and segments. Part of the problem is the chronic overupgrading. Aside from the NGRS/PSG1 systems, a properly tuned and spec'ed AEG running 1.9J should not require a MOSFET to achieve 15rps, which is plenty of trigger response. You don't need a new flute valve, maple leaf barrel or R hop to reach 200ft. If you want people to feel hits, get closer. Another thing that has stayed the same is, price vs function curve. At the low end price range, the guns function 60%. At the mid range, the guns function 90%. At the high range, the guns function 20%. I have an Inokatsu M240B, a LCT RPD and a G&G MG42, all of them are the most expensive airsoft guns you can get and yet they require SO MUCH work to function it is not even funny. G&G MG42 had a cylinder head disintegration on its first game, which stripped a piston. Inokatsu M240B has a chronic airseal issue which is due to a poorly designed hop unit, and the LCT RPD would destroy tapplet plates after a few rounds due to a design flaw in its mechbox. In terms of changes in the game, I think games mirror reality quite a bit. Back in the late 80's, the popular militaries were running around in the Jungles doing COIN, so airsoft, like paintball, were predominantly conducted in bush. Ever since the 60-70s, the SAS/SBS saw a lot of advantage in using 4.5mm air guns for force on force training, and this has carried over. The media were all about Vietnam/Latin America/Africa, along with the popular triads/cartels in turf wars, hence this is how action movies set the scenes for paintballers/airsofters to draw inspiration. So paintball/airsoft events were planned in that type of bushy or semi-urban terrain. However, not everyone knew how to play bushball/bush-soft because it requires military expertise to conduct an event, and hence progressively the players moved towards an arena style game where it was easier to ref, easier to get $$$, and to "enjoy" it requires no planning. This is how speedball grew. Airsoft follows a very similar development curve, though nowadays there are more MOUT and vehicle work, so game settings are in more urban themed areas. The initial move to move away from tanks were because the plastics and composite technologies did not exist, and they were not able to create a tank light enough to hold a limited amount of gas using aluminium. While now, HPA tanks are fibreglass. AEGs were intermediate step, but now they are back to tanks and hoses. Because the lack of expertise to plan and use terrain, speedsoft mindset prioritises range and rounds in the air to gain an advantage, while in bush and open fields it requires the use of manouvre warfare via planning and coordination, which most untrained players do not have. You have the likes of Armed forces veterans with really good fieldcraft playing the game, and as a tool airsoft is fantastic to maintain your individual skills, but it won't win battles. So really, the more it changes the more it stays the same.
Used to do airsoft during my teens in the early 2000's and im thinking of starting again. Completely out of the the loop with which brands n stuff are good now! Interesting to hear people using heavier than 0.2g bb's in normal AEGs now, and it sounds like things are more reliable these days to! Part of the reason i stopped the hobby was becaue most of my guns were so unreliable or broke so easily
I walked into my local store for the first time since I stopped playing in 2010 with a matrix m4 I needed a few new parts for and a rewire, I pulled that gun out and the guy just started laughing and asked when last time I played was, of course 2010 and he said at this point just get a new gun.
I started in 08 too, I remember cats lookin at me like I was crazy for using .25’s and a gbbr... but I love where the hobby is at and headed... except for speedsofters
I first got into airsift with a pair of springer pistols back in 1998... they were cheap as hell quality wise, but fun to mess around with. They also came with absute rubbish .12 gram bbs that had seams and went about 40 feet with a tailwind!! 😂😂😂 l got properly baxk inyo airsoft back in 2015, with an ICS SIG SAUER 552 Commando...
Thanks for putting things in perspective for me! No wonder all the older people I know quit airsoft! (I don't actually know why but It would be funny bif that was the reason)
From what I can tell in the past 10 years Airsoft is only on cheaper. The best you could get if you're on a budget was the jg s system and it did not feel like any of the guns that we have today for beginners. It felt like a toy. All I have to say about that is the the s system M16 was the s system Mattel 16. And just in case if you're wondering during the Vietnam war they actually called the M16 the Mattel 16 because some parts like the stock and pistol grip were made from plastic and many soldiers disobeyed orders and kept their m14's.
Holy shit quality was so much fucking less even when I started getting in airsofting in 2008 thanks to MW2. Like, I'm just fucking apalled that there were $500-$600 guns that had *plastic* gearbox bodies. Even at $100+, the standard is now metal internals all the way through and even the guns aimed at beginners with polymer bodies have both full metal internals and quality polymer that's several galaxies ahead of the plastic you guys mentioned was common in the past.
ha i think its was 2002 my first airsoft event, rental TM famass (lol what the plural FAMIE?) pretty much brand new. compared to what we have now....id say the whole thing was hot trash, glad i stuck with it. just come back from a longs is break and bought my self a TIPPMANN commando as ill be playing more casually mostly now and my god, per £ spent this is the best gun i'v ever had.
I still remember when the first Mosfet units came out and in each video in which they were presented/talked about a flock of dumb 12 year olds started flaming in the comments how superior they (the 12yr olds) were because their laptop/pc/phone processor had millions of transistors, therefore a single Fet for a airsoft is hot garbage from stone age. Still triggers me to this day, must have been some time ago, because it was when youtube still had stars and you couldnt reply under comments and had to post your own reply as a standalone comment and/or PM a reply directly to the user.
I had a model kit of a 1911 in 1991... I belonged to a model... I made it and left the pistol on display... yer... that didn't go down well... the model club in the middle if the barracks I lived in at the time..! imagine the Royal Military Police (RMP) going fucking nuts that there's a pistol in the window..!
I´m looking in to starting an airsoft field and rental service in Stockholm, Sweden. I know it´s a long shot, but you guys don´t happen to know how I would get in touch with CYMA for wholesale?
In asia, people start to use >0.3g bbs when the taiwanese started to make GBB rifles... Before that, the market is dominated by 1J TM AEGs. People love GBBRs becuase we can't get our hands on real guns. And the Classic Army we get in Hong Kong is still crap.
PR15 (I think) is $2500 and uses ptw mags. MTW (I know for sure because I preordered one) is $575 but there was a sale that made them about $500 ish. Also if you preordered from Amped airsoft, you could get a regulator and line for free and tank at a discount, but the deal is now over.
Hey Gun Gamers, J from airsoftology sent me here! Great stuff. I'll check other vids for sure. Sub, like, notification done! See ya soon. [I began airsoft a year ago, good tech/history I learned today.] :)
durability - i lift my wardrobe full of everything and a dumbell of 60kg+ with that cymaAK :)))) i tried to do something stupid and for my surprise the cymaGUN had NOTHING changed after lift :)))
The chinese already have specs to make real AK receivers, which is probably why they started making the AK's out of steel first. But yeah, they are also ridiculously cheap to make. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were/are stamped in the same factories that make real chinese AK parts.
not to long ago i got a xm8 frm evike when i found out there were still some how selling those. When holding it and twisting the body i remember how it used to feel out of the box.
Hi there my fist ever experience with airsoft. Was back I “1994” when a “Friend” burst into his living room holding a FAMAS and then proceeded to light me up whilst wearing no eye pro. 🇬🇧
Hope you taught him a lesson afterward.
I grew up visually impaired and got into airsoft around 2010, living in Alaska and not being able to drive I never got to play at all, fast forward to 2012 and I got to play a single CQB game, then moved to a completely new area and had to start from scratch and just didn’t bother with airsoft anymore. Now that I’m getting back into it after going completely blind, I’m absolutely astonished at the jump in quality. Picked up a $150 open box mystery box from Evike expecting to get something relatively cheap, currently cuddling the EMG Helios Overthrow Carbine that came instead. I may never be able to play the game again, but at least I can enjoy the guns.
Just make sure you follow the safety measures, then collecting airsoft toys should be a nice hobby. Wish you weren´t blind though.
@@iammrbadguy9706 oh no worries about safety, I've been around firearms my entire life, long before going blind.
@@AKprime051 Nice to see you are responseable. Hope you are doing well!
I'm an Alaskan youth who lives in the south central area, the sport is slowly growing around here. I bought my first airsoft gun around 2 months ago then bought a CYMA RPK last month. Thank you for doing tour part in making sure this 'sport' didn't die in its early stages up here.
@@TheArbiter1721 hell yeah, glad to hear it's growing. I grew up in the Anchorage area and the Chugiak Eagle River area.
Airsoft Quality is so much better. I remember when people thought crossman's were good
Some Crossman guns are actually pretty good. The "M3" is just a copy of the TM shotgun and the C11 is a pretty good el cheapo CO2 pistol. I'm not sure if Crossman invented the C11 mechanism, I think so since I saw them with it first and now all kinds of chinese companies copied it and put it in random bodies for sub $50 NBB guns.
Crossman BB have also been pretty good. Yeah, people will start complaining but most 0.12g BB suck being very brittle, however Crossman's 0.12g glow in the dark and their normal weight BB 0.2 and up are actually pretty good without bubbles. The only problem is that aside from their glow in the dark BB, Crossman is actually more expensive than unbranded BB that tend to be of equal or greater quality. A 5,000 container is $10-15 while a no name 15,000 bag of 0.25g is only $12
I remember when Crosman .2g BB's were the smoothest and most accurate you could buy lol. BB's sucked back then, there was no such thing as a tight bore barrel then. Hell, most had seam lines and were pockmarked with air bubbles...
I have a Crossman from the 60's that shoots .22 lead pellets via CO2. You don't want to be on the wrong end of that Crossman. Probably not legal...
The future is now old man!
Back in the day I thought dicks sporting goods was the only place you could get airsoft stuff from 😂
you guys talking about this makes me reminisce of the time I got into airsoft... I still remember you either had TM, CA, or garbage. I think it's just so fascinating and awesome to observe the improvement of technology over time, whether it's for airsoft or just in general. Love you guys.
Don’t forget about Echo 1 USA, they were one of the first to have a US based branch!
Echo 1 is owned by CYMA
@@levvy3006
Lol no, Echo 1 just rebrands JG, CYMA and A&Ks
I actually broke a CYMA AK once. It was only because all my body weight was pressed onto my gun after tripping over a stump. The medal cracked from behind the hand guard to the magwell.
Same shit except some kid ran into it
this is so cool. been playing airsoft for a year and run a arp9 with a titan and dsg. 45rof and a triggerresponse like nothing else. so hearing you talk about the "struggles" with the old guns gives me the good vibes from fixing old cars. "how fast from 0-60?" my answer; 1965.
Things that changed in Airsoft over the years;
E-Houses External Thick quality 💦😫
Facts!!!! 🤤🤤🤤🤤👏👏👏
Does anyone else think E-house looks like an aryan Seth Rogan?
harouchr Mind. Blown.
@@harouchr Irish maybe.
We definitely need to see that classic army
Bought a TM Famas is 2006. Kept it stock and still going strong today.
"The clone revolution"...love it. I remember my favorite site back in the day was shorty USA and good ol airsoft GI. My first AEG was the CYMA 032 M14 and that thing was a fuckin tank! I would say that was around 2009-2010 and was on par with the AK's they make now.
I have my very 1st HFC green gas M190 from 2003. No I didn't spend $300 on any of my air soft, because I couldn't afford it. I bought plenty of Springer's that were in the 300 FPS range and even a sniper that was a 400 FPS sniper which was unheard of back then. I absolutely agree that the quality you can get for the price now has drastically jumped. There were no fields in my home state so a lot of it was playing on farmland with my buddies, and I got out of it around 2009 when a lot of my buddies began graduating and I didn't have a group to play with anymore. I came back about 2 years ago and was absolutely blown away with the advancements that were made, it was like I time traveled to the future.
@MemoryDecipheR We used to follow hit rules similar to Halo. Extremities took 3 hits, body shots took 2 hits, and head shots were one hit and you were out of the game. I think had air soft fields existed in my state and that information was redily available to us we may have gone to them, but living in Colorado, I've spoken to plenty of players who have told me that fields didn't really come around until 2009 or 2010 and by then I was out of airsoft.
I've still got my 20 year old TM M16a1. Still working, all original parts except inner barrel and hop rubber. I occasionally run it as my primary, still get good game out of it.
The TM guns always shot nicely out of the box but they were so freaking flimsy. I saw so many of them break in half just from being carried on a sling.
I got lucky then, I started playing towards the end 2010, I still remember some of the crap brands like star and having to have work done on my first gun, a JG s-system
Oh man! Really taking it back! JG m4 s system was my first gun back in 2009 and had that thing until it fell apart in 2014ish.
I remember going to a paintball shop, maybe '98 or '99, and seeing these japanese replica bb guns that used a weird "green gas". Interesting, but obviously not a sport that would stick around... So, airsoft in 2019.
I started Airsoft back in 2007... this Video is like a 90th Chart Show to me, which brings back all the memories of my (Airsoft) childhood 👍
I started in 1987, when my brother and I got a Tokyo Marui MP5A2 and a Marushin 3/4 scale shotgun. Both were springers, and the MP5 had surprisingly good accuracy. I still have an old MGC Calico M100 :)
My team just recorded a podcast to come out in the new year... hitting on EXACTLY these things! It's super interesting to see that across the seas, we experienced the same thing. Love these videos.
I am new to airsoft, and lots of equipment seems cheap to me. I could not imagine stepping back 10 years....
Remember black ops guns?
Black ops cottonmouth, pretty all right gun.
I got into the sport in 2006. All I had was a TM G36C, Evike either wasn't around or not known to me at that time. Only place I had to game at was a small and uninspiring indoor paintball place, plus I had to get all my BDU's at a local surplus shop which charged way too much for generic gear. I put the game on hiatus in 2010 and now that I'm back, I'm amazed at how much has changed. Like holy moley and great oogly moogly there are so many options. The fact that GBBR's are now a thing has me tickled every shade of pink imaginable.
Now I've got a GHK M16 with Masterkey set up and a frigging M132 Microgun and I don't need to order from Hong Kong or Taiwan and wait forever to get my things. Evike is just a credit card and about a week away :D
God watching this again makes me feel old, the first time I got into airsoft was when elite force was brand new and their M4 was the new hotness.
Back in the day, around 2008-2009 I had a g&p Sam-r with a systema revolution gearbox with a m130 equivalent spring in it. I loved that thing. Now my stock Tokyo Marui HK416 with just a pdi 6.01 is good enough for me. I also have a video of one of my 1st gen vfc hk416 dating from that era.
It’s a even bigger deal in the UK. We have had several major legislative episodes that define what Airsoft is. What power levels are legal. Replica imitation firearms sales are banned unless the purchaser has a specific defence. Been playing since 2001
dietcokeaddict48 they aren’t classed as toys in the UK. :)
ok so I live in brazil where airsoft is realy expensive, for example the cm16 raider in brazil is 400 dollars(a very reliable way to know the price of an airsoft gun in brazil is, you take the american price for example 200 dollars, then you multiply it by 10 and divide by 4, wich will be the price in dollars of the same gun in brazil).
So getting to the main point now. Ive been wanting to get into airsoft and i am a realy big fan of aks but whenever I go on reddit I see people telling begginers to not buy a cyma and instead "just save up for an lct", but the thing is, the price difference is waaaaay bigger in brazil, so im asking you guys: Is it worth it to "just save up for an lct" considering the 200 dollar difference in price?
Tanaka M700, Asahi M60, gas ruled. Spokane Devil Dogs struck fear into hearts with them. Spring guns and AEGs broke. Except TM, unless you tried to upgrade it and knocked the TM pixie dust off. My plastic TM M4 still flexed when you leaned it up against the wall. I remember breaking open my first gear box....shit went everywhere! No one to call for help. Japanese cartoon manual..... I pulled my hair out. Fun, fun!
ArmchairWarrior We are from NE Washington so its never “too hot” generally. But I don’t doubt it. It certainly wasn’t consistent. But it chrono’d at the high end right at 600 fps.
I remember in 06-07 playing on the street with all the neighbor kids. We had a super 9 sniper rifle , a TM mp5 with a stripped gear box and two half broken winding magazines and everything else was spring or clear AEGs from big 5. Maybe two kids had green gas pistols that they ran as springers because they had no idea how to maintain them
You're such a good youtuber, you will be successful
When I started .28+ was sniper ammo only
I've had a guy tell me, a few months ago, that he uses 'heavy weight .25s' in his gun, I was just deciding that .28s were a bit light for my tastes, I'm still confused about that shit.
got my first airsoft gun in 2001 tm comando m4 . I was 11 and that shit was dope!
I absolutely love this channel guys. Keep up the good work, the last video about gear for bigger dudes was fucking awesome. I have my all my gear already the way I like it but I thoroughly enjoyed hearing what you guys had to say. Cheers guys!
This video realy brung back memories. i remember being 14 ish 15 years old and buying a classicarmy m16a4 and classicarmy ak 101 in canada back in like 09. over 1200$ and the m16 lasted 300 round before stripping the piston... had to replace the piston with no knowledge of working on aegs. but i did it. Im a sucker for clones. the jgs m4 s system in their nice tm lookalike boxes.... i have nostalgia for this time...
I'm just getting back into it now at 31... I went to two big ops in like 9th grade... yeah.... you had to have MONNNEEEEYYYY if you wanted to play back then. I remember both ops I ended up just using a spring pistol cause all my crap was broken!
was nice hearing the chat. I still have a king arms M4 I got 8 years ago in Dicks sporting goods. the piston finally wore out last year. still running it XD
Honestly, the next milestone will be full metal aeg with decent internals and wiring for 75-100 bucks. Currently i'm pretty happy with my cm521 that I paid 80 for, and it's mostly platic, but for around 20 dollars, i was able to replace the top cover and trigger guard with metal ones and it makes the gun feel a lot better overall. My next replacement will be a metal charging handle, just trying to find what will work best.
such an awesome trip down memory lane, great vid guys.
Nice explaination, i like your humor XD. I can barely remember the beginnings, my first airsoft gun i remember was a TM VSR10 G-Speck, around 16 years ago. But they did not change over the decades XD. But AEG's is so true. I know why my second buy was a KWA GBBR six years ago. I decided to get an AEG last year, and decided to get a VFC Avalon. Surprisingly VFC made their handguards (as far as i know) from T6 6061 Aliminium, what's exacly the same material Strike Industries (The Keymod 416 slim line and Crux rail) made their rails for the HK416 out of it. So in this case VFC is as good as the real steel in material, same for the Madbull replicat, they ase made from T6 6061 Alu, just as the real steel counterparts. But i agree, some T6 7075 Alu externals would be a good thing, and maybe a good Cerkote on highend guns.
Thanks for this nice video, it was hilarious to listen to you, and you are so right.
When I played heavily in 2011, Classic Army and Pantac were the top dogs. I remember I paid like $300 and some change for My classic Army M4 and like another $300 for my pantac plate carrier and some change for all the pouches. Imagine my surprise when I started investigating airsoft for a return back in march, and those two companies were no longer top dogs. It's kind of nuts what all has changed.
You guys ever tested the Scorpion EVO smg AEG?.. performs really well and even better with original upgrade gears and spring guide
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So, what your saying is I could see Garand Thumb playing airsoft with his long lost father?
Travis Haley plays airsoft. Enough said.
Don’t forget before the polarstar there was all the escort guns made back in the 90s and then the newer versions of the systems were the daytona guns essentially and considered holy grails in the airsoft world along with brands like asahi
I'm trying to get people to start using local shops here in central Ohio and was wondering what cheapish upgrade someone would recommend for my g36c (it was my first gun and is still my baby don't judge) to show off the great work they do to get more people in the door. Too many kids are just using evike.com and airsoftgi ignoring local shops
Interesting insights! I would really like to see a comparision between "an old gun" like Kyle's CA and a modern off the shelf gun
Loving Kyle's Shirt. Epic!
One thing that has changed? I see fewer M4s. Where I come from, it's become M4 vs AK.
OMG, Noobs reflecting on the past!
I have been playing since 1993, been teching for as long as that. Back then we ran hoses, had high ROF/FPS plastic guns, and LRB barrels, and spammed lots. Oh wait, Nothing has changed...
Well it has changed.
There are some good points raised in the video. Quality and durability of guns have definitely improved as they used to be plastic (due to Japan laws around amount of full metal externals in fear of conversion to real guns). Since the Taiwanese and then the Chinese picked up, the quality has been going up and up, basically because CNC is becoming far cheaper and more available.
Yes, the price difference is now more due to quality controls.
However, I very much disagree with the performance improvements. Maruis have been able to reach 150ft consistently under 1J with stock hop ups. A marui MP7 /Skorpion AEP can do that out of the box. We used to skirmish with First Gen Classic army M4s hitting out to 180ft with its 1J spring.
R hops may be able to give more vertical consistency but like LRBs it can only function IF it is tuned for a particular ammo weight. Standard Hops can and will hit out to 250ft with the right ammo.
Though is often about the assembly and sourcing of the right parts. Marui rubbers are really precise, and the balance between the hardness of the nub and the rubber generates consistent lift for a particular range of BBs.
Thats another thing, availability of ammo. In the past, anything more than 0.25g is already too rare and expensive to use for standard rifles, as they are seen as specialist ammunition. Maruzen APS systems used to be tuned for 0.32g match grade ammo. Now, we can get bags of 0.36g-0.42g BBs to use on our rifles. With added weight comes added range. Even a 1J rifle on a 0.36g BB will get out to 250ft though in 7-8 secs.
Parts have become more available, yes, and more durable. However guns still fail, and they still fail at the same places; stripped pistons, gears, worn bearings, motor brushes and segments.
Part of the problem is the chronic overupgrading. Aside from the NGRS/PSG1 systems, a properly tuned and spec'ed AEG running 1.9J should not require a MOSFET to achieve 15rps, which is plenty of trigger response. You don't need a new flute valve, maple leaf barrel or R hop to reach 200ft. If you want people to feel hits, get closer.
Another thing that has stayed the same is, price vs function curve. At the low end price range, the guns function 60%. At the mid range, the guns function 90%. At the high range, the guns function 20%. I have an Inokatsu M240B, a LCT RPD and a G&G MG42, all of them are the most expensive airsoft guns you can get and yet they require SO MUCH work to function it is not even funny. G&G MG42 had a cylinder head disintegration on its first game, which stripped a piston. Inokatsu M240B has a chronic airseal issue which is due to a poorly designed hop unit, and the LCT RPD would destroy tapplet plates after a few rounds due to a design flaw in its mechbox.
In terms of changes in the game, I think games mirror reality quite a bit.
Back in the late 80's, the popular militaries were running around in the Jungles doing COIN, so airsoft, like paintball, were predominantly conducted in bush. Ever since the 60-70s, the SAS/SBS saw a lot of advantage in using 4.5mm air guns for force on force training, and this has carried over.
The media were all about Vietnam/Latin America/Africa, along with the popular triads/cartels in turf wars, hence this is how action movies set the scenes for paintballers/airsofters to draw inspiration. So paintball/airsoft events were planned in that type of bushy or semi-urban terrain.
However, not everyone knew how to play bushball/bush-soft because it requires military expertise to conduct an event, and hence progressively the players moved towards an arena style game where it was easier to ref, easier to get $$$, and to "enjoy" it requires no planning. This is how speedball grew.
Airsoft follows a very similar development curve, though nowadays there are more MOUT and vehicle work, so game settings are in more urban themed areas.
The initial move to move away from tanks were because the plastics and composite technologies did not exist, and they were not able to create a tank light enough to hold a limited amount of gas using aluminium. While now, HPA tanks are fibreglass. AEGs were intermediate step, but now they are back to tanks and hoses.
Because the lack of expertise to plan and use terrain, speedsoft mindset prioritises range and rounds in the air to gain an advantage, while in bush and open fields it requires the use of manouvre warfare via planning and coordination, which most untrained players do not have. You have the likes of Armed forces veterans with really good fieldcraft playing the game, and as a tool airsoft is fantastic to maintain your individual skills, but it won't win battles.
So really, the more it changes the more it stays the same.
Used to do airsoft during my teens in the early 2000's and im thinking of starting again. Completely out of the the loop with which brands n stuff are good now!
Interesting to hear people using heavier than 0.2g bb's in normal AEGs now, and it sounds like things are more reliable these days to! Part of the reason i stopped the hobby was becaue most of my guns were so unreliable or broke so easily
I walked into my local store for the first time since I stopped playing in 2010 with a matrix m4 I needed a few new parts for and a rewire, I pulled that gun out and the guy just started laughing and asked when last time I played was, of course 2010 and he said at this point just get a new gun.
I just wouldn't go there anymore.
I started in 08 too, I remember cats lookin at me like I was crazy for using .25’s and a gbbr... but I love where the hobby is at and headed... except for speedsofters
I first got into airsift with a pair of springer pistols back in 1998... they were cheap as hell quality wise, but fun to mess around with. They also came with absute rubbish .12 gram bbs that had seams and went about 40 feet with a tailwind!! 😂😂😂 l got properly baxk inyo airsoft back in 2015, with an ICS SIG SAUER 552 Commando...
i remember when all airsoft guns at walmart and dicks were clear plastic, now they have all metal 'decent' AEGs and gbb pistols.
Good alcohol and gun gamers are the best start for the weekend
Love you guys ❤️❤️
Even a 6065 receiver would be wholly adequate to multiply durability ten times over.
Are those hickies on your neck? 😂💀
Also teching aswell. If something breaks. You'd be the tech. Or just bye another gun
ahh the good ol days when 9.6 was todays 11.1
Thanks for putting things in perspective for me! No wonder all the older people I know quit airsoft! (I don't actually know why but It would be funny bif that was the reason)
I still have apex and runs. I just rebuild my Ares gen1 m4 last year.
The only BBs back then we're Excel then airsoft elite (with the golf ball molding).
Guarder made the only "good" replica gear.
Man times have changed
I started in 1999 :) with 13 years old. Portugal here ;).
From what I can tell in the past 10 years Airsoft is only on cheaper. The best you could get if you're on a budget was the jg s system and it did not feel like any of the guns that we have today for beginners. It felt like a toy. All I have to say about that is the the s system M16 was the s system Mattel 16. And just in case if you're wondering during the Vietnam war they actually called the M16 the Mattel 16 because some parts like the stock and pistol grip were made from plastic and many soldiers disobeyed orders and kept their m14's.
what's a better HK416 brand other than umarex vfc?
PLEASE DO A FOLLOW UP ON ARMOR WORKS.
Had a old g&g combat machine for 6 years
Holy shit quality was so much fucking less even when I started getting in airsofting in 2008 thanks to MW2.
Like, I'm just fucking apalled that there were $500-$600 guns that had *plastic* gearbox bodies. Even at $100+, the standard is now metal internals all the way through and even the guns aimed at beginners with polymer bodies have both full metal internals and quality polymer that's several galaxies ahead of the plastic you guys mentioned was common in the past.
I love lct aks I own a ak 74 all wood rewired it on the top. Great weapon love it. And it's all stock
I still have a STAR UMP 45 mint in the case which them came with . First Airsoft gun company to do so !!
ha i think its was 2002 my first airsoft event, rental TM famass (lol what the plural FAMIE?) pretty much brand new. compared to what we have now....id say the whole thing was hot trash, glad i stuck with it. just come back from a longs is break and bought my self a TIPPMANN commando as ill be playing more casually mostly now and my god, per £ spent this is the best gun i'v ever had.
I still remember when the first Mosfet units came out and in each video in which they were presented/talked about a flock of dumb 12 year olds started flaming in the comments how superior they (the 12yr olds) were because their laptop/pc/phone processor had millions of transistors, therefore a single Fet for a airsoft is hot garbage from stone age.
Still triggers me to this day, must have been some time ago, because it was when youtube still had stars and you couldnt reply under comments and had to post your own reply as a standalone comment and/or PM a reply directly to the user.
Please do a video comparing Kyles CA and a current off the shelf gun
Cymas are fucking great now, full metal wood with good performance for 150
I had a model kit of a 1911 in 1991... I belonged to a model... I made it and left the pistol on display... yer... that didn't go down well... the model club in the middle if the barracks I lived in at the time..! imagine the Royal Military Police (RMP) going fucking nuts that there's a pistol in the window..!
Which Cyma AK(u) would you guys reccomend? With what upgrade parts?
Just leave it the way it is brother. Like I did with mine
what model is that ak?????? CYMA Stamped Metal AK74U? I want it!
either a cm035 or most likely a cm045 (cm045 is waaaaay better)
6:51 I have a cmo28 and got a guy to trade it for a berrera 93r and 6 1911 magazines
Back in 2011 Travis Haley used Airsoft guns with training
Although airsoft guns (specifically GBB pistols) have been used in a lot of law enforcement and training schools way back in 2006.
I´m looking in to starting an airsoft field and rental service in Stockholm, Sweden. I know it´s a long shot, but you guys don´t happen to know how I would get in touch with CYMA for wholesale?
In asia, people start to use >0.3g bbs when the taiwanese started to make GBB rifles... Before that, the market is dominated by 1J TM AEGs. People love GBBRs becuase we can't get our hands on real guns. And the Classic Army we get in Hong Kong is still crap.
What is the pricing on the pr15 and mtw? You guys never mentioned it and I can’t find it.
PR15 (I think) is $2500 and uses ptw mags. MTW (I know for sure because I preordered one) is $575 but there was a sale that made them about $500 ish. Also if you preordered from Amped airsoft, you could get a regulator and line for free and tank at a discount, but the deal is now over.
Hey Gun Gamers, J from airsoftology sent me here! Great stuff. I'll check other vids for sure. Sub, like, notification done! See ya soon. [I began airsoft a year ago, good tech/history I learned today.] :)
I have that CM045A. cost me 121€ at gunfire. great replica for medium ranges.
LOL, Star. They were nice wall hangers.
How do you whisky?
I wouldn’t say TM spec ak is a nightmare.... I would say it is easier than any M4
Man I love Krytac!!!
durability - i lift my wardrobe full of everything and a dumbell of 60kg+ with that cymaAK :)))) i tried to do something stupid and for my surprise the cymaGUN had NOTHING changed after lift :)))
not gonna lie, every time see you guys have a bottle out, I'm like fuck gotta take out the Dusse an drink with these dudes!
Not whiskey but had a beer with y’all
Earned my sub
Haha, loved it!
Haha my first ‘real’ airsoft gun was an Aftermath MP5 , loved that thing until it broke
There's this nice GBB SVD.
Aluminum with black polymer furniture: 360€
Same gun but steel with wood furniture: 680€
Why the fuck!?
The chinese already have specs to make real AK receivers, which is probably why they started making the AK's out of steel first. But yeah, they are also ridiculously cheap to make. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were/are stamped in the same factories that make real chinese AK parts.
Ehouse!!! Are you going to spearhead this weekend? I was hoping to see you again haha
I will be there! I'll be with the Russian HQ Kingsguard.
i was gona say some thing.. but i remember i have been in this 5-6 years not as long as you but.
I'm to old to yoke around on this topic
not to long ago i got a xm8 frm evike when i found out there were still some how selling those.
When holding it and twisting the body i remember how it used to feel out of the box.
Make airsoft great again