In my experience of sniping, running and gunning works pretty good (or atleast in the UK where everyone else is capped to 350fps), it scares the enemy sooooooo, much and it makes them anxious of pushing up
These are all superb points you guys make and it would be difficult to argue against them. I've been down the (watching Novritsch videos, I want to do that too) rabbit hole myself. After years of frustration, money and tinkering I now have a well-tuned VSR BASR. I also realize how limited I am when I field it but still enjoy the role. The one thing you guys did not address was the inherent stealth factor that a BASR provides. Yes, many aegs on the field can match my range and certainly outgun me by volume of fire, but I do have the advantage of a much quieter gun versus a noisy aeg. Knowing where the opponent is more than half the battle. I have found that with a BASR, I can engage a small squad and take them out one by one or pin them down without their being able to locate me. Of course, a DMR with an hpa set up can be just as quiet with much more volume of firepower. But after working for hours on gearboxes with little luck, or having a wire disconnect, a fuse blow, gears strip, or a battery fail, a basic trigger, spring and piston set up is refreshingly simple.
I saw a guy selling an cyma plastik M4 "COMPLETE TUNING only 300 bucks" so i asked him what he have done to it. He just said it gut a tuning sring inside he can shoot 2 joules. MASSIV RANGE XDXDXDXD
@@willgowan3267 I mean some guns really don't need much more than a barrel and a hop. The new, long Double Eagle M904s with an AA 6.03 barrel and a ML MR bucking shoot 60-70m (Thats 200-230 feet). You can lock the gun to semi from the ETU, and it costs like $150-170 + $60 for the barrel and bucking.
This is a great, thorough explanation. I should add that even having a great sniper rifle still puts you at a significant disadvantage in any firefights, especially against DMRs who have similar range and power, but much higher fire rate.
@@masonfarber2604 Yeah and I know guys that shoot .45 in their r hopped dmrs. you barely have any range advantage with a sniper. i sometimes play in france and there the legal limit for airsoft is 2J, meaning both dmr and sniper 99% of the time have the same energy cap, therefore no difference at all.
The best possible sniper to be perfectly honest depends on the person. I prefer hpa because of the reduced pull for power. if someone wants to get into sniping I would suggest getting a gun they can grow with the intent to upgrade only after the system mechanism is known. my personal gun is a kjw m700p with hpa conversion and machined barrel but that said knowledge and mastery of the system you are running along with tlc.
I'd defo like to see that vid. I picked up the 2018 model just after xmas and been messing around with it without any real intention of gaming with it til the weather picks up a bit. Just learning ranges and hop adjustments, trying out some different bb weights and learning/breaking in the platform.
As a long time player and sniper. ( playing since 2004, airsoft sniper since 2006) I agree 100% with the information presented here. Don't start off sniping in the beginning. I started with a Classic Army M24 first gen, then the first gen A to Z Dragunov SVD, first gen UTG L96, first gen Wellfire MB01 to my current three: MB08, TM MK96, G&G M14 EBR. Both my MB08 and M14 were upgraded by Umbrella Armory and shoot well over 300 but cost me a little over 1k each with everything on it. The sniper role is expensive but if you dedicate to it financially, emotionally, physically, mentally and you still enjoy it then go right ahead but keep in mind it is a role in airsoft that really requires dedication.
kyle looks like a concerned parent trying to figure out how they lay the news their pet died. I strongly agree that sniper rifles are a way too challenge one's self and also just enjoy nature snipers are not in the heat of the action. also most of your time is spent working on the gun and not shooting it at all. especially highly upgraded ones.
Biggest thing I have found in the recent past that put me off my Sniper Role is that my upgraded AEG version replicas that are designated as Sniper Rifles do not qualify anymore on some of the fields I go to. Semi Locked CYMA EBR, KC-02 (Semi Only Gas Rifle) and S&T SVD (Semi Only AEG) which are all upgraded & tweaked to shoot 460+ w/.25s and only 2 Fields allow them anymore to be used as a Sniper Role. I was really into using the SVD with my Full Russian Kit and even used a Plash-palatka for hiding my form. People said I looked like a rock formation in the woods.
So a few points that perhaps you didnt miss but as a sniper are at least my two cents, So first off I like to track and I love hiking, and wandering through the great outdoors is my idea of fun every once and a while a target gets in my way and I can silently put them down, Second point: the two most expensive parts of a sniper build that nobody actually thinks about until after a shite day of playing, a really good sidearm and a good optic. I have a specced out glock and a vortex optic and both those things are necessary to my sniping. Third ramble: Snipers are dead quiet this is the greatest asset far more then range, even if you dont have a suppressed wolverine bolt the normal spring sniper is still hella quiet. maybe there is more then that I have no idea, (other commentors feel free to hit me up if you have sniper questions I have wayyyy too much time in these things)
As a DMR shooter, nobody talks about me. I'm the version of sniper manh beginner snipers WANNA be, but only watched Novritch and shit so they got a bolt action. I don't carry around a gillie suit, so I don't sweat after two steps. I don't die if my one shot misses. I out range most and whom I don't out range accurately enough, I can suppress.
If you get in a good spot where you know enemies are going try to push and you get in that perfect spot where they don’t have any range on you but you can still hit them, it’s like those Novrisch videos
I agree, but there is an in between from being super serious about performing your role, to playing to make videos. I think that in between is where you’re playing aggressively, not really being super careful about performing your roll in the field, and just being concerned about having fun. If you have a gun like the ssg24 or srs you will have a great time playing.
When from an aeg dmr to an hpa dmr, to a hpa pdw, then to a custom vsr, got bored of all of them quickly, been rocking a GBBR Scar H now, it's been way more fun
I played airsoft for 4 years before trying sniping. When I did I got a TM VSR 10 G-spec upgraded the shit out of that gun and got it shooting like a dream and consistent AF. About a year ago I brought an SRS and I am super happy with it, but now I have a spare sniper than can complete with the best of them and when my friends say they want to try sniping i’ll tell them to borrow my spare gun first before they buy anything, not an option for most people to borrow a gun but I always tell new people who want to try to never buy a sniper as a first gun.
Before I played airsoft I played the role of a sniper with video games, and when I actually played airsoft I used a sniper for the first time because I love the role of sniping, I did not regret it because I know what I'm doing. Until now I am a sniper with a fully upgraded AAC-T10, a VSR-10 platform. I do agree that airsoft sniping is not recommended for first-timers because they can be easily discouraged for many reasons.
been playing the game for going on my 12th year i started as a sniper with the Well L96 with 0.32g, i was shooting 275ft average to 320ft max used that for years till i upgraded to a TM vsr-10 using 0.43g witch is now fully upgraded. I snipe, scout, hold a sector, support the front line, i do what i need to do to help the team. But overall great vid guy's a lot of useful information for new players, and i do agree with a lot of stuff you said.
the KC-02 is a GBB that can be tailored as a carbine for mid range or CQB, but I've upgraded mine for range. when it behaves itself, shots can go as far as 80m 0n 0.45's (tested using a Busnell rangefinder) but realistically 70-75m would be my max engagement distance. as a gas rifle the huge problem is fps inconsistencies and mag freeze, I could HPA but not sure it's my thing to do that.
If you're a beginner and you want to start sniping I recommend you do is you say sniper as your 3rd gun. You want an aeg and a pistol. You also need to upgrade the china gun you just bought. You need a 500 fps spring, metal spring guide and piston, trigger box, scope, barrel barrel spacers, and bucking. You will also.need a flat nub and some suguru to you can s hop. S hop is better than r hop but it only lasts 1000 shots but you wont shoot 1000 shots super fast. When it does get worn out, just cut it out with a picket knife and clean the barrel. You also want to eventually upgrade the cylinder. I also reccomend a thread addapter in place of the lok over here plz shoot me orange tip and a mock silencer just to cover the threads.if you live outside of the us then no need.
Most of the time with sniper performance, the thing that really holds them back most of the time is the piston and hopup. Really expensive ammo: Really depends on your field, if your field is big, yes you need over .3, if your field is medium sized, you can run lighter. The field I play in California and the field i play at doesnt require me to use anything over 0.3, sure my rifle doesnt perform at it's optimal best, I dont need it to since my field doesnt require me to be able to shoot at extremely long ranges and there isnt that much wind or foliage so accuracy is very consistent. Overall getting into sniping and the playstyles/ rifle performance really depends on your situation, if you do buy a rifle, play with it stock for awhile and get used to using it, dont buy one for the purpose of upgrading it without really getting used to the gun stock (unless you're experienced).
1:33 that's the key to this whole video. And you're back on a previous discussion which is airsoft vs real life. Still, great video, I like these discussions a lot!
I couldn´t agree more guys. People need to understand that there is lots of research neccessary to become a good sniper (1: teching stuff with your gun / 2. background about what the sniper role is really about) ... It´s a journey ... but as soon as you get there it is one of the best roles to be in !!! :)
True! Got into the game through watching Novritsch. Bought an SSG24. Hated the role, the platform and the waiting. Also it's REALLY not that accurate as in the videos. And I was shooting .43/.45/.48. Sold it. Now I'm on HPA and I get much more involved with my teams objectives and actual gameplay.
My team puts x20 adjustable scope's on the forward observers rifle, the two LMG's both of which have been heavily tuned, and our lead usually has one in his Wraith stock m4. The grenadier usually has a X5 or something small on the tagin launcher and I sometimes bring binoculars if the kit has space for it. Because of this our usual platoon lead likes to send us out to go compensate for our factions crap snipers.
All of this is true but also I would say the AO comes into play too. The field I play at doesn't have sightlines longer than 150ft. So I built my gun for consistency and shirt range accuracy.
My 1st gun was a sniper. But rented a bunch before that. I still get out ranged, but hella fun hitting that 1 shot that gets called. It depends if you really like the role and is good with 1-2 hits per game.
I totally agree with the guys. I built a VSR10 with a wolverine bolt install. Super quiet, accurate..... and expensive. Played it on and off for two seasons. Hate being a sniper. lol Selling it.
.30g is the standard here shooting at roughly 100ms, basically 1.7J full auto. Everyone reaches up to at least 50m, most 60m but then it takes off. Joule limits for snipers here is 3.2J with a minimum safety distance of 30m and reaching that extra 10-30m with accuracy is the main advantage you get from snipers. Stealth is secondary to this.
Got a Bar10 for 400 kr (around 50$), put airsoftpro parts in it for another 1000 kr (~120$), put every diy modd in it I could find, got it shooting accurately out to 300ft. Still not fun to play, so it stays home when I go to games 😁 Next up I'm building a mk12 spr from a Tippmann m4 (because being sneaky is to easy) and also looking into some type of 7,62 or similar dmr. Semi auto sniping is supposed to be a lot more expensive and hard to do good, so why not throw a few hundred $ on it, am I right?
Hey I started as a sniper and I love it. Now I’m going to be honest though. I should of started as a rifle-men first. Ammo cost per sniper shot is a bit$&. So is parts and time to assemble and disassembled. But take your time. I went back and played a rifle-men for a while. Switched to dmr and finally came back to sniping. Learned a hell of a lot about moving and concealment by playing those other roles.
And this is why I invested into a HPA DMR build. Expensive as fuck but you have the option of multiple roles depending on the fps and BB you run. (And as a disclaimer to cover my ass as an HPA user; I purposely avoided adjusting the tigger into speed and/or micro trigger levels of sensitivity. I still want a trigger pull with my rifles.)
for me sniping is fast roping from a helo dual wielding a pair of m24s and wiping out the entire other team before my feet hit the ground. just dont ask me how im holding the rope or racking the bolts of my rifles
Great video guys! I enjoy the airsoft sniper role and it works well in the proper context. It can be a huge force multiplier but its got to be the right scenario with the right field conditions and the right players on your team. My main issue with airsoft snipers is when they push the belief that airsoft sniping has any commonality with real world precision rifle shooting. It does not. The only similarity between them is you're looking through a scope and squeezing a trigger but everything else is completely different. The ballistics are completely different. The effects of things like of proper body position, breath control and trigger squeeze are barely measurable at even the most extreme airsoft distances. The BB just isn't traveling far enough or with enough accuracy for any of that to matter. Everytime I see an airsoft sniper with a DOPE chart it hurts my brain. That's not how any of this works.
Real ballistics have practically nothing in common with airsoft ballistics, it's just the nature of the differing projectiles, energy outputs, and propulsion methods.
I love sniping at my site. Huge site next to a raised woods. Sit at the top of the woods and rain down fire on unsuspecting fools. I prefer using my soc slr dmr though. Can’t wait to upgrade that! To be honest though a fully upgraded TM vsr is just godly!
may be if you want to be a sniper but you are not good enough with the bolt action sniper rifle, you can try building a DMR from an AEG gun. make it stable when shoot singles. shoots straight, use correct BB's and put a decent scope on it. and I think this is can be fun too, also save you some money. if you dont like being DMR man just swap the part and make that gun an assault rifle, go forward and sweep the field.
I've just bought the g&g pdw 15 ar because I love being in the action at the front sniping is not far me some mates of mine are thinking about it gonna share this vid with them
Very good video! I agree, I played for a few years before picking up the realsword SVD. I honestly love the recon side of it though. Me and buddy who is my spotter have the gps and multi channel radio and maps and such. It's fun to sneak as well. Reaching out to like 300 feet with a heavy round feels good. I tried the spring rifles as well but I prefer the svd platform
Admittedly I tend to buy cheap and "upgrade" it and I know I'm not brilliant at doing so but my mentality is upgrade slowly over time e.g. buy a gun and let's say the consistency is poor so I upgrade the hop up/ barrel and try it again. And keep working over time
I'd like to hear more about novritsch ssg24 since you briefly touched upon the topic. All I hear about is srs. What is your honest thoughts (in more detail) about the ssg24. That I feel is more interesting then the srs
Do a comparison review on srs and ssg24. You guys do well keeping the balance of speedsoft and milsim. So I'd love to hear your balanced opinion on a comparison on srs and ssg24. That would be an interesting video
I agree with you guys... I will never forget this situation on the field. A guy with only a pistol in his hand and a magazine ran through the wood and he was to fast to shoot him with my AEG :O) and he knocked out everybody with his pistol, me too :o) but I've Played Airsoft for 4 years now and I will change my roll in Airsoft and will begin playing as a Sniper. but first only with a good and silent pistol an a very good guillie suit hoping it's good enough that other players passing by and I will have the opportunity to give their position through the headset :o)
you can pick up .69gram bbs for 18 bucks for 40bbs. It's pretty expensive at about 40 cents a BB but they're heavy as fuck! You can run a 750+ FPS rifle and shoot those BBs at about 480-520fps which is allowed at most places, Problem is the Joule rating is in the 5s sometimes 6s and that's not allowed at all in most places
So I recently got a MK12 SPR and I am going to be playing a DMR role, do you think that being a sniper is different than being a DM in terms of play style? I don’t mind either way, just curious, I’ve played airsoft for a year now, and I have experience enough to want to be a DM. I plan on essentially acting as a overwatch element for the rest of my squad similar to what you were talking about towards the end of the video.
Review echo1 m28 awesome bolt sniper my son has this gun. I recently installed the upgraded spring ,piston ,bucking and barrel. Shoots 2.89 joules with .46 ammo
I actually just converted my custom m4 Into a dmr platform and these are all SUPER good points, especially the heavy bbs price point because they are SOOOOO fucking expensive
Too many snipers in play anyways. At a woodland field a couple of weeks I was walking back to respawn and walk past about 6 snipers sitting at the back, some of them sharing trees. It was a bit ridiculous
I agree that new folks shouldnt start off in the role. But, just like in real life, snipers tend to spend A LOT of time with their guns modding them, dialing in the scopes, and getting to know their guns while shooting. No gun is perfect out of the box period. My personal weapon of choice is the l96. Ive only replaced the barrel, hop, spring, and piston. After 2 years it is still a feared gun on the field. I think what needs to be said here is that sniping is not about getting the most kills but rather surgical kills that no one else can get. You will not get as many kills, but the ones you do get are more satisfying because not many can get them. I also love it when people are literally 10 feet away from me and dont see me due to my camo and my skills for being unseen. Its a game of patience.
No I feel this can be summed up quickly. If people want to be a sniper, do it. If you want to play for kills or want to go hide in a Bush for the whole game do it. The fact people are questioning that is a real problem, when the game stops being about how you want to play and becomes a serious game people stop having fun and the game stops growing. fact.
@4:37 ".66 bbs" "Metal asf" - E house, 2019 lmfao I loved that. Also great discussion y'all, I hope a shit ton of people see this video. I've seen firsthand at my local field before that too many people hype up the expectations of sniping and they turn out to be discouraged not only from sniping itself but also the hobby as a whole. It's like when people hype up fan theories for movies and when they actually see how it plays out they become discouraged from the series as a whole because things didn't go their way (might be a bad comparison but you get the idea). So my advice to new players or not the best experienced players: Just use fucking AEGs till you have more experience, and/ or increase your skills lol. That's what most experienced players all did to get comfortable with the hobby, and later down the road when you want to challenge yourself, and/or change up your role or try something new, maybe sniping could provide that niche for you. But if you're expecting to be a real life MLG sniper, or something similar, forget it then lol.
I bought myself a VSS for my russian kit wich I will do some short range DMR/support style on the fields in Norway as you'd really never get enough range with them, and in general the VSS isn't effective due to its range, but its making of beeing super silent. So I think that if you're going to be a sniper, find out what type of sniper you'll be. Like a Squad DMR sniper for some over the M4 ranges to pick out people, or the novritch lone wolf style for the extra length or in my case a lesser sniper for some versatility. To some, the VSS isn't considdered a sniper even. That's what I think, correct me if I'm wrong.
Ok gun gamers, here is your next video title "Thoughts on Ballistic and Riot Shields in Airsoft". I think this would be a very interesting video as I myself am looking to buy a Ballistic shield for an airsoft loadout from Hardcore Defence (the Alpha Sheild).
ZOOM! I use a riot shield occasionally on my site. I can carry a rifle on my back but can only use a pistol with the shield. I must also only fire my pistol after opening up the shield. Pyro destroys the shield. I can drop the shield on the floor to use my rifle. It changes the games up forcing people to try something new instead of just shoot, cover, shoot, cover.
@@kyleblackburne2870 Love those rules! I was thinking having a small SMG and a AW Custom pistol and I am planing on making pistol mag pouches on the shield for an easier reload. At my field we have a rule that we can only walk with our shields and we can only use a pistol with the shield. Also grenade launchers can destroy our shields. :/ Thanks for those suggestions and awesome rules! :)
I was very apprehensive when I started this video but you are both absolutely correct as the only dedicated sniper on my team actually we call me a recon player ...but you guys hit everything on the head it's a horrible way to start airsoft I always tell noobies to buy a cheap m4 get your feet wet you may find a different role you like better ...I play run and gun with a mixture of camper if they need me for Intel I go and it's nice you get maybe a half hour break sitting in a bush and just talking on your radio but it's not for everyone
Being a sniper at airsoft is not easy. Designa5ed marksman is a little bit easier. Just need not an ar15 platform rifle for milsim. Ar10 platform is fine though. The fps limit is lower as well but you can still get some pretty long distance shots either way. You also need a sidearm. You have minimum engagement distances most likely except for a few fields. There's a field in Roseville ca ran by a church and you can get shot point blank by a sniper rifle but to be fair their fps limit is 450 where for everywhere else it's 500. I'm actuallynmoving near salt lake city ut and that field allows 600 fps snipers with the same 100 ft med as everywhere else except he fields that don't have them. Another thing about being a sniper is it's not cheap. Even if it was, it should never be your first gun. It should be at least your 3rd with your second being a sidearm. Even my third gun was a sawed off 870. You can go out and buy a well, l96, jg bar 10, or asg m40a3 sportline and they will work just fine and if you know what you're doing but you won't get those crazy 300 ft shots without upgrades. Just the base upgrades make the gun cost $300. That's not even a fully upgraded gun. That's just to get it shooting as good as it possibly can. You got to remember that most outdoor fields allow full auto and you will be Swiss cheesed before you can pull the bolt back. Your only defense is a pistol and if you have a full auto pistol, good luck with that because it's highly innacurate and gas inneficient unless it's hpa tapped but that's also expensive. You could try carrying one of those super short sbr'@s like the g&g firehawk but still weight is an issue.
#MWdrinkingGame Great video guys, thanks for that. I like the idea of snipers relaying intel to their team instead of being on their own, camping and taking pot shots. Whats your opinion about the DMR Role? We recently started out to do a build, i think it can be a good compromise, still having the ability to shoot fast in semi auto compared to a spring gun. Of course, accuracy will suffer a bit and you won't be lifting the really heavy bb's. Yet it might be "enough". We will see :)
Man, everything above .4 bb's is actually illegal in my country. As for the sniping role in Milsim i almost never even shoot someone (unless it's a HVT or a counter sniper role) Mostly me and my buddy stalk the enemy team and relay Intel. And we tend to dick around in the hostile base stealing flags and Intel. Hmm, maby recon is a better description, now that I think about it.
Doing good! Hectic schedules have made traveling to River City to film SpeedSim difficult, but we have a whole bunch of ideas we’ll be doing next time I’m out there.
If you wanna see some cool sniper vids, check out Rep the Airsofter. He is from MA, very down to earth, and has some cool gameplay and review vids, as well as some how to's.
I. Am. Sniper. Change. My. Mind.
You must have the fastest trigger finger whichever side of the Mississippi you're on.
With such tactical beard, you can be anything!
Why would I change your mind when you're stating the truth?
Your beard will get caught in the bolt action,you do have sniper fittness with all that heavy panting you do when you're assaulting
M249 sniper, you’re revolutionary Alfonse.
Snipers should be laying in a bush, radioing in intel for command and shooting rarely. Fight me.
I agree with that.
We often run as fire support team with Snipers as pairs or with the Mortar team and I have spent entire games just doing this and firing maybe 5 shots
Dead on. Snipers are a command level asset. They primarily used for intel and overwatch. And for terrain denial.
Snipers Should be squatting in a bush then feel something squishy and realize it diarrhea and still sit there
In my experience of sniping, running and gunning works pretty good (or atleast in the UK where everyone else is capped to 350fps), it scares the enemy sooooooo, much and it makes them anxious of pushing up
These are all superb points you guys make and it would be difficult to argue against them. I've been down the (watching Novritsch videos, I want to do that too) rabbit hole myself. After years of frustration, money and tinkering I now have a well-tuned VSR BASR. I also realize how limited I am when I field it but still enjoy the role.
The one thing you guys did not address was the inherent stealth factor that a BASR provides. Yes, many aegs on the field can match my range and certainly outgun me by volume of fire, but I do have the advantage of a much quieter gun versus a noisy aeg. Knowing where the opponent is more than half the battle. I have found that with a BASR, I can engage a small squad and take them out one by one or pin them down without their being able to locate me. Of course, a DMR with an hpa set up can be just as quiet with much more volume of firepower. But after working for hours on gearboxes with little luck, or having a wire disconnect, a fuse blow, gears strip, or a battery fail, a basic trigger, spring and piston set up is refreshingly simple.
The best sniper rifle is a pkm/pkp
Firstname I mean... yeah.
@Luke L. lmao
... my RPK would like a word with you on the other side of that dark empty field.
[ giggles in tracers ]
Can we talk about how people on hop up overprice everything lol my favorite game to play is hey I can buy it new for that price haha
and then they'll tell you it has upgrades 😂😂 one of my own fucking friends tried to sell me his krytac which I've seen shoot poorly for 600 dollars
Or the guys selling"DMRS" and you ask "hey what did you do to it" and they answer "oh it has a scope and a new hop up" and those are the only upgrades
I saw a guy selling an cyma plastik M4 "COMPLETE TUNING only 300 bucks" so i asked him what he have done to it. He just said it gut a tuning sring inside he can shoot 2 joules. MASSIV RANGE XDXDXDXD
@@willgowan3267 I mean some guns really don't need much more than a barrel and a hop. The new, long Double Eagle M904s with an AA 6.03 barrel and a ML MR bucking shoot 60-70m (Thats 200-230 feet). You can lock the gun to semi from the ETU, and it costs like $150-170 + $60 for the barrel and bucking.
WHY ARE YOU FILMING IN DAYLIGHT?!?
This is a great, thorough explanation. I should add that even having a great sniper rifle still puts you at a significant disadvantage in any firefights, especially against DMRs who have similar range and power, but much higher fire rate.
Yeah especially if they are rhoped
@@masonfarber2604 Yeah and I know guys that shoot .45 in their r hopped dmrs. you barely have any range advantage with a sniper. i sometimes play in france and there the legal limit for airsoft is 2J, meaning both dmr and sniper 99% of the time have the same energy cap, therefore no difference at all.
well put. for beginners start with assault rifles and earn experience. than you can see into different rolls.
The best possible sniper to be perfectly honest depends on the person. I prefer hpa because of the reduced pull for power. if someone wants to get into sniping I would suggest getting a gun they can grow with the intent to upgrade only after the system mechanism is known. my personal gun is a kjw m700p with hpa conversion and machined barrel but that said knowledge and mastery of the system you are running along with tlc.
Heres a like from a fellow kjw m700 user. I use green gas on mine, but I still managed to improve its performance a lot.
How about a video of your SRS build. I'd be interested in comparing it to mine.....I'm sure others would as well.
-Rod
Rod Watson Planning on it!
I'd defo like to see that vid. I picked up the 2018 model just after xmas and been messing around with it without any real intention of gaming with it til the weather picks up a bit. Just learning ranges and hop adjustments, trying out some different bb weights and learning/breaking in the platform.
As a long time player and sniper. ( playing since 2004, airsoft sniper since 2006) I agree 100% with the information presented here. Don't start off sniping in the beginning. I started with a Classic Army M24 first gen, then the first gen A to Z Dragunov SVD, first gen UTG L96, first gen Wellfire MB01 to my current three: MB08, TM MK96, G&G M14 EBR. Both my MB08 and M14 were upgraded by Umbrella Armory and shoot well over 300 but cost me a little over 1k each with everything on it. The sniper role is expensive but if you dedicate to it financially, emotionally, physically, mentally and you still enjoy it then go right ahead but keep in mind it is a role in airsoft that really requires dedication.
kyle looks like a concerned parent trying to figure out how they lay the news their pet died. I strongly agree that sniper rifles are a way too challenge one's self and also just enjoy nature snipers are not in the heat of the action. also most of your time is spent working on the gun and not shooting it at all. especially highly upgraded ones.
Biggest thing I have found in the recent past that put me off my Sniper Role is that my upgraded AEG version replicas that are designated as Sniper Rifles do not qualify anymore on some of the fields I go to. Semi Locked CYMA EBR, KC-02 (Semi Only Gas Rifle) and S&T SVD (Semi Only AEG) which are all upgraded & tweaked to shoot 460+ w/.25s and only 2 Fields allow them anymore to be used as a Sniper Role. I was really into using the SVD with my Full Russian Kit and even used a Plash-palatka for hiding my form. People said I looked like a rock formation in the woods.
Then you should move to designated marksman role. I do both depending on the game and length of play.
So a few points that perhaps you didnt miss but as a sniper are at least my two cents, So first off I like to track and I love hiking, and wandering through the great outdoors is my idea of fun every once and a while a target gets in my way and I can silently put them down, Second point: the two most expensive parts of a sniper build that nobody actually thinks about until after a shite day of playing, a really good sidearm and a good optic. I have a specced out glock and a vortex optic and both those things are necessary to my sniping. Third ramble: Snipers are dead quiet this is the greatest asset far more then range, even if you dont have a suppressed wolverine bolt the normal spring sniper is still hella quiet. maybe there is more then that I have no idea, (other commentors feel free to hit me up if you have sniper questions I have wayyyy too much time in these things)
agree and one of the quietest rifles I have found is hpa rifles that put makeshift sound foam in the banana
As a DMR shooter, nobody talks about me.
I'm the version of sniper manh beginner snipers WANNA be, but only watched Novritch and shit so they got a bolt action.
I don't carry around a gillie suit, so I don't sweat after two steps.
I don't die if my one shot misses.
I out range most and whom I don't out range accurately enough, I can suppress.
If you get in a good spot where you know enemies are going try to push and you get in that perfect spot where they don’t have any range on you but you can still hit them, it’s like those Novrisch videos
I agree, but there is an in between from being super serious about performing your role, to playing to make videos. I think that in between is where you’re playing aggressively, not really being super careful about performing your roll in the field, and just being concerned about having fun. If you have a gun like the ssg24 or srs you will have a great time playing.
When from an aeg dmr to an hpa dmr, to a hpa pdw, then to a custom vsr, got bored of all of them quickly, been rocking a GBBR Scar H now, it's been way more fun
I played airsoft for 4 years before trying sniping. When I did I got a TM VSR 10 G-spec upgraded the shit out of that gun and got it shooting like a dream and consistent AF. About a year ago I brought an SRS and I am super happy with it, but now I have a spare sniper than can complete with the best of them and when my friends say they want to try sniping i’ll tell them to borrow my spare gun first before they buy anything, not an option for most people to borrow a gun but I always tell new people who want to try to never buy a sniper as a first gun.
Before I played airsoft I played the role of a sniper with video games, and when I actually played airsoft I used a sniper for the first time because I love the role of sniping, I did not regret it because I know what I'm doing. Until now I am a sniper with a fully upgraded AAC-T10, a VSR-10 platform. I do agree that airsoft sniping is not recommended for first-timers because they can be easily discouraged for many reasons.
been playing the game for going on my 12th year i started as a sniper with the Well L96 with 0.32g, i was shooting 275ft average to 320ft max used that for years till i upgraded to a TM vsr-10 using 0.43g witch is now fully upgraded. I snipe, scout, hold a sector, support the front line, i do what i need to do to help the team. But overall great vid guy's a lot of useful information for new players, and i do agree with a lot of stuff you said.
E house lookin buff AF hahaha
the KC-02 is a GBB that can be tailored as a carbine for mid range or CQB, but I've upgraded mine for range. when it behaves itself, shots can go as far as 80m 0n 0.45's (tested using a Busnell rangefinder) but realistically 70-75m would be my max engagement distance.
as a gas rifle the huge problem is fps inconsistencies and mag freeze, I could HPA but not sure it's my thing to do that.
If you're a beginner and you want to start sniping I recommend you do is you say sniper as your 3rd gun. You want an aeg and a pistol. You also need to upgrade the china gun you just bought. You need a 500 fps spring, metal spring guide and piston, trigger box, scope, barrel barrel spacers, and bucking. You will also.need a flat nub and some suguru to you can s hop. S hop is better than r hop but it only lasts 1000 shots but you wont shoot 1000 shots super fast. When it does get worn out, just cut it out with a picket knife and clean the barrel. You also want to eventually upgrade the cylinder. I also reccomend a thread addapter in place of the lok over here plz shoot me orange tip and a mock silencer just to cover the threads.if you live outside of the us then no need.
Most of the time with sniper performance, the thing that really holds them back most of the time is the piston and hopup.
Really expensive ammo: Really depends on your field, if your field is big, yes you need over .3, if your field is medium sized, you can run lighter. The field I play in California and the field i play at doesnt require me to use anything over 0.3, sure my rifle doesnt perform at it's optimal best, I dont need it to since my field doesnt require me to be able to shoot at extremely long ranges and there isnt that much wind or foliage so accuracy is very consistent.
Overall getting into sniping and the playstyles/ rifle performance really depends on your situation, if you do buy a rifle, play with it stock for awhile and get used to using it, dont buy one for the purpose of upgrading it without really getting used to the gun stock (unless you're experienced).
1:33 that's the key to this whole video. And you're back on a previous discussion which is airsoft vs real life. Still, great video, I like these discussions a lot!
I couldn´t agree more guys. People need to understand that there is lots of research neccessary to become a good sniper (1: teching stuff with your gun / 2. background about what the sniper role is really about) ... It´s a journey ... but as soon as you get there it is one of the best roles to be in !!! :)
True! Got into the game through watching Novritsch. Bought an SSG24. Hated the role, the platform and the waiting. Also it's REALLY not that accurate as in the videos. And I was shooting .43/.45/.48. Sold it. Now I'm on HPA and I get much more involved with my teams objectives and actual gameplay.
Rutger Prins you are doing it wrong
My team puts x20 adjustable scope's on the forward observers rifle, the two LMG's both of which have been heavily tuned, and our lead usually has one in his Wraith stock m4. The grenadier usually has a X5 or something small on the tagin launcher and I sometimes bring binoculars if the kit has space for it.
Because of this our usual platoon lead likes to send us out to go compensate for our factions crap snipers.
All of this is true but also I would say the AO comes into play too. The field I play at doesn't have sightlines longer than 150ft. So I built my gun for consistency and shirt range accuracy.
My 1st gun was a sniper. But rented a bunch before that. I still get out ranged, but hella fun hitting that 1 shot that gets called.
It depends if you really like the role and is good with 1-2 hits per game.
I totally agree with the guys. I built a VSR10 with a wolverine bolt install. Super quiet, accurate..... and expensive.
Played it on and off for two seasons. Hate being a sniper. lol Selling it.
.30g is the standard here shooting at roughly 100ms, basically 1.7J full auto. Everyone reaches up to at least 50m, most 60m but then it takes off. Joule limits for snipers here is 3.2J with a minimum safety distance of 30m and reaching that extra 10-30m with accuracy is the main advantage you get from snipers. Stealth is secondary to this.
Got a Bar10 for 400 kr (around 50$), put airsoftpro parts in it for another 1000 kr (~120$), put every diy modd in it I could find, got it shooting accurately out to 300ft. Still not fun to play, so it stays home when I go to games 😁
Next up I'm building a mk12 spr from a Tippmann m4 (because being sneaky is to easy) and also looking into some type of 7,62 or similar dmr. Semi auto sniping is supposed to be a lot more expensive and hard to do good, so why not throw a few hundred $ on it, am I right?
Hey I started as a sniper and I love it. Now I’m going to be honest though. I should of started as a rifle-men first. Ammo cost per sniper shot is a bit$&. So is parts and time to assemble and disassembled. But take your time. I went back and played a rifle-men for a while. Switched to dmr and finally came back to sniping. Learned a hell of a lot about moving and concealment by playing those other roles.
And this is why I invested into a HPA DMR build. Expensive as fuck but you have the option of multiple roles depending on the fps and BB you run.
(And as a disclaimer to cover my ass as an HPA user; I purposely avoided adjusting the tigger into speed and/or micro trigger levels of sensitivity. I still want a trigger pull with my rifles.)
for me sniping is fast roping from a helo dual wielding a pair of m24s and wiping out the entire other team before my feet hit the ground. just dont ask me how im holding the rope or racking the bolts of my rifles
Skurge, is that you?
Great video guys! I enjoy the airsoft sniper role and it works well in the proper context. It can be a huge force multiplier but its got to be the right scenario with the right field conditions and the right players on your team.
My main issue with airsoft snipers is when they push the belief that airsoft sniping has any commonality with real world precision rifle shooting. It does not. The only similarity between them is you're looking through a scope and squeezing a trigger but everything else is completely different. The ballistics are completely different. The effects of things like of proper body position, breath control and trigger squeeze are barely measurable at even the most extreme airsoft distances. The BB just isn't traveling far enough or with enough accuracy for any of that to matter. Everytime I see an airsoft sniper with a DOPE chart it hurts my brain. That's not how any of this works.
Real ballistics have practically nothing in common with airsoft ballistics, it's just the nature of the differing projectiles, energy outputs, and propulsion methods.
I love sniping at my site. Huge site next to a raised woods. Sit at the top of the woods and rain down fire on unsuspecting fools. I prefer using my soc slr dmr though. Can’t wait to upgrade that! To be honest though a fully upgraded TM vsr is just godly!
may be if you want to be a sniper but you are not good enough with the bolt action sniper rifle, you can try building a DMR from an AEG gun. make it stable when shoot singles. shoots straight, use correct BB's and put a decent scope on it. and I think this is can be fun too, also save you some money. if you dont like being DMR man just swap the part and make that gun an assault rifle, go forward and sweep the field.
I've just bought the g&g pdw 15 ar because I love being in the action at the front sniping is not far me some mates of mine are thinking about it gonna share this vid with them
Very good video! I agree, I played for a few years before picking up the realsword SVD. I honestly love the recon side of it though. Me and buddy who is my spotter have the gps and multi channel radio and maps and such. It's fun to sneak as well. Reaching out to like 300 feet with a heavy round feels good. I tried the spring rifles as well but I prefer the svd platform
Admittedly I tend to buy cheap and "upgrade" it and I know I'm not brilliant at doing so but my mentality is upgrade slowly over time e.g. buy a gun and let's say the consistency is poor so I upgrade the hop up/ barrel and try it again. And keep working over time
was going to say.. i am focused on recon more than actually shooting an thats the role i love
I'd like to hear more about novritsch ssg24 since you briefly touched upon the topic. All I hear about is srs. What is your honest thoughts (in more detail) about the ssg24. That I feel is more interesting then the srs
Do a comparison review on srs and ssg24. You guys do well keeping the balance of speedsoft and milsim. So I'd love to hear your balanced opinion on a comparison on srs and ssg24. That would be an interesting video
I agree with you guys... I will never forget this situation on the field. A guy with only a pistol in his hand and a magazine ran through the wood and he was to fast to shoot him with my AEG :O) and he knocked out everybody with his pistol, me too :o) but I've Played Airsoft for 4 years now and I will change my roll in Airsoft and will begin playing as a Sniper. but first only with a good and silent pistol an a very good guillie suit hoping it's good enough that other players passing by and I will have the opportunity to give their position through the headset :o)
you can pick up .69gram bbs for 18 bucks for 40bbs. It's pretty expensive at about 40 cents a BB but they're heavy as fuck! You can run a 750+ FPS rifle and shoot those BBs at about 480-520fps which is allowed at most places, Problem is the Joule rating is in the 5s sometimes 6s and that's not allowed at all in most places
Why arnt rifled barrels a thing in airsoft? Wouldn’t it solve so many problems because then we won’t have to deal with hop up?
There's no way for the BB to engage the rifling and acquire a spin.
So I recently got a MK12 SPR and I am going to be playing a DMR role, do you think that being a sniper is different than being a DM in terms of play style? I don’t mind either way, just curious, I’ve played airsoft for a year now, and I have experience enough to want to be a DM. I plan on essentially acting as a overwatch element for the rest of my squad similar to what you were talking about towards the end of the video.
What to prioritize when upgrading a sniper rifle please. Also Tight Bore vs Wide Bore Inner barrels in spring sniper rifles. Thx
Review echo1 m28 awesome bolt sniper my son has this gun. I recently installed the upgraded spring ,piston ,bucking and barrel. Shoots 2.89 joules with .46 ammo
Hey guys great video thanks for always putting out great content! Are you going to bad blood? And if so what team are you on?
I actually just converted my custom m4 Into a dmr platform and these are all SUPER good points, especially the heavy bbs price point because they are SOOOOO fucking expensive
That right there, is buff Seth Rogen. 100%.
I was hoping to pick up a Silverback SRS at some point but for now, I have a M60 ready to pickup so that’s going to be awhile
Too many snipers in play anyways. At a woodland field a couple of weeks I was walking back to respawn and walk past about 6 snipers sitting at the back, some of them sharing trees. It was a bit ridiculous
Can I be a sniper using pistol only?
I agree that new folks shouldnt start off in the role. But, just like in real life, snipers tend to spend A LOT of time with their guns modding them, dialing in the scopes, and getting to know their guns while shooting. No gun is perfect out of the box period. My personal weapon of choice is the l96. Ive only replaced the barrel, hop, spring, and piston. After 2 years it is still a feared gun on the field.
I think what needs to be said here is that sniping is not about getting the most kills but rather surgical kills that no one else can get. You will not get as many kills, but the ones you do get are more satisfying because not many can get them. I also love it when people are literally 10 feet away from me and dont see me due to my camo and my skills for being unseen. Its a game of patience.
My best sniper airsoft I would choose is the Krytac Warsport Lvoa-C. Despite being a rifle, it has the accuracy
My rhoped cyma ak shoots pretty fuckin far for a non sniper too
I'm running into my first season and I want to be DMR , am I going in way over my head?
best sniper is mg42
No I feel this can be summed up quickly. If people want to be a sniper, do it. If you want to play for kills or want to go hide in a Bush for the whole game do it. The fact people are questioning that is a real problem, when the game stops being about how you want to play and becomes a serious game people stop having fun and the game stops growing. fact.
20cents a round? That's more than steel case 223/556 rounds. At that point might as well go back to real steal.
@4:37 ".66 bbs" "Metal asf" - E house, 2019 lmfao I loved that. Also great discussion y'all, I hope a shit ton of people see this video. I've seen firsthand at my local field before that too many people hype up the expectations of sniping and they turn out to be discouraged not only from sniping itself but also the hobby as a whole. It's like when people hype up fan theories for movies and when they actually see how it plays out they become discouraged from the series as a whole because things didn't go their way (might be a bad comparison but you get the idea). So my advice to new players or not the best experienced players: Just use fucking AEGs till you have more experience, and/ or increase your skills lol. That's what most experienced players all did to get comfortable with the hobby, and later down the road when you want to challenge yourself, and/or change up your role or try something new, maybe sniping could provide that niche for you. But if you're expecting to be a real life MLG sniper, or something similar, forget it then lol.
You guys have great content, Are you planning on attending bad blood 2019? I will be there as black shirts very excited coming from out of state. :)
Before I saw this I thought there was anything heavier than 43's
Great description of the reality of the role in airsoft. Praise Judy!
I bought myself a VSS for my russian kit wich I will do some short range DMR/support style on the fields in Norway as you'd really never get enough range with them, and in general the VSS isn't effective due to its range, but its making of beeing super silent. So I think that if you're going to be a sniper, find out what type of sniper you'll be. Like a Squad DMR sniper for some over the M4 ranges to pick out people, or the novritch lone wolf style for the extra length or in my case a lesser sniper for some versatility. To some, the VSS isn't considdered a sniper even. That's what I think, correct me if I'm wrong.
Why do you say it’s not effective because of poor range. Sure that’s the case in real life but not in airsoft.
@@away8886 generally lower fps rules.
@@oblivionnokk3531 Oh I mean if you don't run it as a dmr yeah, my field allows almost anything at 450 and semi and MSW allows vss.
Ok gun gamers, here is your next video title "Thoughts on Ballistic and Riot Shields in Airsoft". I think this would be a very interesting video as I myself am looking to buy a Ballistic shield for an airsoft loadout from Hardcore Defence (the Alpha Sheild).
ZOOM! I use a riot shield occasionally on my site. I can carry a rifle on my back but can only use a pistol with the shield. I must also only fire my pistol after opening up the shield. Pyro destroys the shield. I can drop the shield on the floor to use my rifle. It changes the games up forcing people to try something new instead of just shoot, cover, shoot, cover.
@@kyleblackburne2870 Love those rules! I was thinking having a small SMG and a AW Custom pistol and I am planing on making pistol mag pouches on the shield for an easier reload. At my field we have a rule that we can only walk with our shields and we can only use a pistol with the shield. Also grenade launchers can destroy our shields. :/ Thanks for those suggestions and awesome rules! :)
I was very apprehensive when I started this video but you are both absolutely correct as the only dedicated sniper on my team actually we call me a recon player ...but you guys hit everything on the head it's a horrible way to start airsoft I always tell noobies to buy a cheap m4 get your feet wet you may find a different role you like better ...I play run and gun with a mixture of camper if they need me for Intel I go and it's nice you get maybe a half hour break sitting in a bush and just talking on your radio but it's not for everyone
Dude I shot a wolverine vsr10 with a 300mm c.j ,r.a hop up chamber. Oh and i shoot .40/.45
I want to see you guys eating super hot chillie peppers now.
One time on a walk on day there was a kid who was playing with a nerf gun. He got 3 or 5 guys.
Would love to play a milsim event with u guys .love the content keep it up
The Nerf gun was This Guy! Twin Cities Airsoft, a buddy and I ran 3D printed Nerf blasters called the Caliburn.
Being a sniper at airsoft is not easy. Designa5ed marksman is a little bit easier. Just need not an ar15 platform rifle for milsim. Ar10 platform is fine though. The fps limit is lower as well but you can still get some pretty long distance shots either way. You also need a sidearm. You have minimum engagement distances most likely except for a few fields. There's a field in Roseville ca ran by a church and you can get shot point blank by a sniper rifle but to be fair their fps limit is 450 where for everywhere else it's 500. I'm actuallynmoving near salt lake city ut and that field allows 600 fps snipers with the same 100 ft med as everywhere else except he fields that don't have them.
Another thing about being a sniper is it's not cheap. Even if it was, it should never be your first gun. It should be at least your 3rd with your second being a sidearm. Even my third gun was a sawed off 870. You can go out and buy a well, l96, jg bar 10, or asg m40a3 sportline and they will work just fine and if you know what you're doing but you won't get those crazy 300 ft shots without upgrades. Just the base upgrades make the gun cost $300. That's not even a fully upgraded gun. That's just to get it shooting as good as it possibly can.
You got to remember that most outdoor fields allow full auto and you will be Swiss cheesed before you can pull the bolt back. Your only defense is a pistol and if you have a full auto pistol, good luck with that because it's highly innacurate and gas inneficient unless it's hpa tapped but that's also expensive. You could try carrying one of those super short sbr'@s like the g&g firehawk but still weight is an issue.
That's a great looking Stout
If you dont shoot far enough, just move a lil closer
#MWdrinkingGame
Great video guys, thanks for that. I like the idea of snipers relaying intel to their team instead of being on their own, camping and taking pot shots. Whats your opinion about the DMR Role? We recently started out to do a build, i think it can be a good compromise, still having the ability to shoot fast in semi auto compared to a spring gun. Of course, accuracy will suffer a bit and you won't be lifting the really heavy bb's. Yet it might be "enough". We will see :)
Thanks guys, I think I'll stick to my ak for now, new sub ✊✊✊
Even Novritsch says not to buy a sniper for your first airsoft gun
Now he is selling his SSG10 and recomendin it for starters, what a dickhead
*Laughs in ASG M40A3 sport line*
The best sniper rifle is a PolarStared G&P M249 with a R-Hop after-market barrel. Change my mind, I dare you.
You shouldn’t be wasting a ton a bbs sniping anyways. I at least barely go through 100 bbs in one day of an event
I’m 48. I hope to be a worthy happy camper one day.
Man, everything above .4 bb's is actually illegal in my country. As for the sniping role in Milsim i almost never even shoot someone (unless it's a HVT or a counter sniper role)
Mostly me and my buddy stalk the enemy team and relay Intel. And we tend to dick around in the hostile base stealing flags and Intel.
Hmm, maby recon is a better description, now that I think about it.
Judy has entered the server...
Get all the kills you want but did your TEAM win the game???
How is amy?
I'll do you one better, why is Amy?
Doing good! Hectic schedules have made traveling to River City to film SpeedSim difficult, but we have a whole bunch of ideas we’ll be doing next time I’m out there.
Seems like you guys are just talking about those two TH-cam’s
Can't get a better advantage than having a well placed overwatch.
If you wanna see some cool sniper vids, check out Rep the Airsofter. He is from MA, very down to earth, and has some cool gameplay and review vids, as well as some how to's.
i don't remember any snipers in "pineapple express " ,!
New player put too high expectation with stock bolt action sniper rifle, it need serious amount of money.
VSR 10
It’s is so much more satisfying too
Epic video
Just bought a srs 22inch 😂
Glass game 10/10
I remember the first time I watched jarhead. lol