It’s load data from status of steel. But there is definitely powder migrating and easily seen with clear hull. I have another way to prevent without an overshot card on another video.
Thanks for the video. Why is it that when you look at Hogdon's reloading data do they show not a single steel load data for anything else but Universal powder, yet you are loading Longshot? How can you tell what the pressure is at with no pertinent load data?
@@Duckslayer1096 Thanks, I'll have to order one. Have you come across any publications that include the Vihtavuori powders? Even their own website only has mention of a few limited 3 inch configurations.
You can make life easier by making accurate measures for all your favorite loads with syringe tubes- even adjustable ones using the plunger and the needle end sliced off, with the tube marked with a marker(not as accurate as individual ones). BUT, ALWAYS weigh the powder!
@Duckslayer1096 Look at BP load of the week. I got one for Rio's using a LBC43 and steel powder but i lowered the powder charge to 32gn. It called for 40 gn originally. thats a 2 petal lbc 43. Its the HG load data. On this load you are using why is the charge so little? Why not be at 30gn of Longshot? Do you know what the FPS is now?
@@jasonedgar6991 Thanks will check it out. I use 21-23grains of Longshot with a TPS wad. It’s BP data. Speeds are 1211-1280ish. I have a lower quality chronograph, so not sure accurate it is every time. This is a link to the testing of load. th-cam.com/video/bVzxmVLk9sQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kLw_EDtKKeXhYNkl
Unfortunately TSS is a little to pricey for me. I would only do it with tested data. I am not sure if any of my manuals have TSS load data in them. I would recommend buying a manual with TSS load data so you stay in pressure specs. If I ever get my hands on TSS I would definitely do some videos on it.
@@Duckslayer1096 @williamcarter746 The general understanding so far is any load safely designed for steel can duplex TSS. SO LONG AS the total shot payload remains the same. The lower volume inside the shell decreases the pressure of the round. The major item to look at is stack height as subbing the TSS will drop the height so you may need felt or cork.
@@DavidBnks02 I would agree. But I am unable to safely confirm without being able to test the pressure. Would be interested in where you are able to confirm the pressures are within spec.
@@Duckslayer1096 There is somewhere you can send the shells off for pressure testing but am unsure the exact details. I have data from some duplex loads another gentlemen had pressure tested and it backs up removing the steel shot and replacing with TSS will lower pressure.
@@clks1165 I have read they are a little harder. Some say don’t use them and others say it’s ok. I don’t have any solid info it won’t hurt your gun. May wear out ur barrel faster. use at your own risk Is my recommendation.
I have two in my manual. First is in a cheddite hull 19 grains longshot CSD16 wad 1/8 felt wad with 7/8 steel. Or cheddite hull 20 grains Longshot NC16 then a CSD16 wad with 7/8 oz of steel. Good luck I don’t have a 16 gauge reloader. Both in 2 3/4inch hulls.
Wondering why not use the press instead of all the manual work. Not sharpshooting you, just wondering. I’m just getting into shot shell reloading. Picked up a used 600 Jr.
You could do it for the powder, but the is a lot of messing around changing the powder bushings. For the shot you need a different charge bar. Loading hunting rounds you don’t load that many rounds and I enjoy the process. You will soon find out it is very addictive.
@@Duckslayer1096 I want to load up a few hundred rounds for spring snow goose hunt. Still looking for a decent recipe for that. With that many rounds, I'd like to use the press.
@@williamcarter746 If going to use BB you will have a hard time getting it to drop thru from charge bar into the shell/wad. You could weight out your shot and find a scooper the same size and be within specs. Looking for 3” or 2 3/4 loads?
@@Duckslayer1096 2-3/4 preferably. Was going to buy a steel bar for the press. It has a lead bar in it right now. I saw you used 21gr Longshot in the duck load. I have 2 bottles of that and 2 bottles of copperhead bbs. 50 Fed GM hulls and a box each of Cheddite CX2000 and Rem 209PSTS primers. That's all I have on hand right now.
I found a load that will be a great goose load. It comes from the vihtavuori 2021 load data. It uses 3" Fiocchi green hulls, fio616 primer, N105 powders start load 35.5 gr and max load 38.6 gr, B&P 44 wads, 1 1/2 oz of steel shot, paper osc with roll crimp.
if you really want to smack ducks and geese try my load. 31.5 longshot mg42 wad mylar wrap in wad 20ga 1/8 felt in wad, 141grn tss #8, 402grn #2 bismith over shot card roll crimp or fold. 171 pellet same pellet count as 1.25oz lead#4 mod choke 30" at 40 i put average of 155 pellet on target
Federal or cheddite hull 23grain Longshot TPS 2 3/4 wad 1 1/8oz BB or your choice of steel. Will also need a felt cushion wad to get proper crimp. See attached video. th-cam.com/video/RkxsHm2Wyjg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=jyS8_a8qau5ECT74
I like the see-thru hulls but I'm at a loss at the need to use an overshot card. The correct wad is how I keep the powder from migrating.
It’s load data from status of steel. But there is definitely powder migrating and easily seen with clear hull. I have another way to prevent without an overshot card on another video.
Thanks for the video.
Why is it that when you look at Hogdon's reloading data do they show not a single steel load data for anything else but Universal powder, yet you are loading Longshot? How can you tell what the pressure is at with no pertinent load data?
I got my data from ballistic products Status of Steel. There is very little data out there for steel loads
@@Duckslayer1096 Thanks, I'll have to order one. Have you come across any publications that include the Vihtavuori powders? Even their own website only has mention of a few limited 3 inch configurations.
@@foonus406 There are not any in the status of steel with that powder.
You can make life easier by making accurate measures for all your favorite loads with syringe tubes- even adjustable ones using the plunger and the needle end sliced off, with the tube marked with a marker(not as accurate as individual ones). BUT, ALWAYS weigh the powder!
I don’t mind weighing every load.
Why not put the felt wad under the shot?
@@williamcarter746 potentially raises the shot to high above the wad.
I wish I had found this video before I crushed 6 new Fiocchi hulls due to the .042 over shot card, good info thanks
Yah I crushed a couple before I figured it out.
I ordered a 3/4" craft punch from a'zon. When my box of cheerios is empty i punch about 300 cards out of it. They are thinner than the BP ones.
What size TPS wad are you using? They come in many lengths? Did you slit the wad?
@@bobsbarnworkshop TPS1275 preslit.
@@Duckslayer1096 thanks!
May I ask what amount of powder you are using? The hulls look like you care about how they appear to others which great.
22grains of Longshot. U can load up to 23 grains of Longshot with this load. I get a better pattern with 22
@Duckslayer1096 Look at BP load of the week. I got one for Rio's using a LBC43 and steel powder but i lowered the powder charge to 32gn. It called for 40 gn originally. thats a 2 petal lbc 43. Its the HG load data.
On this load you are using why is the charge so little? Why not be at 30gn of Longshot? Do you know what the FPS is now?
@@jasonedgar6991 Thanks will check it out. I use 21-23grains of Longshot with a TPS wad. It’s BP data. Speeds are 1211-1280ish. I have a lower quality chronograph, so not sure accurate it is every time. This is a link to the testing of load. th-cam.com/video/bVzxmVLk9sQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kLw_EDtKKeXhYNkl
Great tip for the over shot cards. Where did you get the Blue Dot?
Thanks. I got some blue dot at ballistic products or precision reloading. And found a 4lb container locally. Found both back in august.
Have you ever thought about duplexing this load with TSS? How would you do it?
Unfortunately TSS is a little to pricey for me. I would only do it with tested data. I am not sure if any of my manuals have TSS load data in them. I would recommend buying a manual with TSS load data so you stay in pressure specs. If I ever get my hands on TSS I would definitely do some videos on it.
@@Duckslayer1096 @williamcarter746 The general understanding so far is any load safely designed for steel can duplex TSS. SO LONG AS the total shot payload remains the same. The lower volume inside the shell decreases the pressure of the round. The major item to look at is stack height as subbing the TSS will drop the height so you may need felt or cork.
@@DavidBnks02 I would agree. But I am unable to safely confirm without being able to test the pressure. Would be interested in where you are able to confirm the pressures are within spec.
@@Duckslayer1096 There is somewhere you can send the shells off for pressure testing but am unsure the exact details. I have data from some duplex loads another gentlemen had pressure tested and it backs up removing the steel shot and replacing with TSS will lower pressure.
Are air gun bb the same as steel shot for reloading?
@@clks1165 I have read they are a little harder. Some say don’t use them and others say it’s ok. I don’t have any solid info it won’t hurt your gun. May wear out ur barrel faster. use at your own risk Is my recommendation.
How far do you shoot the number fives on ducks?
@@clks1165 I typically like to get them within 30-35yds. Holds a good pattern and plenty of knock down yet.
How about a 16 gauge load using longshot powder, steel shot for both quail and dove. I can't find one for 16 gauge. Thanks
I will take a look and see what I can find.
I have two in my manual. First is in a cheddite hull 19 grains longshot CSD16 wad 1/8 felt wad with 7/8 steel. Or cheddite hull 20 grains Longshot NC16 then a CSD16 wad with 7/8 oz of steel. Good luck I don’t have a 16 gauge reloader. Both in 2 3/4inch hulls.
Wondering why not use the press instead of all the manual work. Not sharpshooting you, just wondering. I’m just getting into shot shell reloading. Picked up a used 600 Jr.
You could do it for the powder, but the is a lot of messing around changing the powder bushings. For the shot you need a different charge bar. Loading hunting rounds you don’t load that many rounds and I enjoy the process. You will soon find out it is very addictive.
@@Duckslayer1096 I want to load up a few hundred rounds for spring snow goose hunt. Still looking for a decent recipe for that. With that many rounds, I'd like to use the press.
@@williamcarter746 If going to use BB you will have a hard time getting it to drop thru from charge bar into the shell/wad. You could weight out your shot and find a scooper the same size and be within specs. Looking for 3” or 2 3/4 loads?
@@Duckslayer1096 2-3/4 preferably. Was going to buy a steel bar for the press. It has a lead bar in it right now. I saw you used 21gr Longshot in the duck load. I have 2 bottles of that and 2 bottles of copperhead bbs. 50 Fed GM hulls and a box each of Cheddite CX2000 and Rem 209PSTS primers. That's all I have on hand right now.
@@williamcarter746 That is a good load. You could even bump it up to 23grains of Longshot.
I found a load that will be a great goose load. It comes from the vihtavuori 2021 load data. It uses 3" Fiocchi green hulls, fio616 primer, N105 powders start load 35.5 gr and max load 38.6 gr, B&P 44 wads, 1 1/2 oz of steel shot, paper osc with roll crimp.
I have not seen any or looked for data on vihtavuori. That is definitely a heavy load for steel. What’s the speed and pressure?
@@Duckslayer1096 start load is over 1200 fps to max load is over 1300 fps
@@Duckslayer1096 you can find it online as a pdf
@@clks1165 decent speed for that much steel. Thanks
@Duckslayer1096 your welcome, and again, the load can be found online as pdf
Thanks
If you can turn unslit tps or ranger elite wads into flight control wads. You can make a deadly geese/ducks loads
You would have to test them. You may have shot not come out of the wad. Using an external/ported choke helps grab the wad.
@Duckslayer1096 what should hold the pattern a little long way for good patterns at ranges beyond 40 yards.
Steel and blue dot are no. Where
@@duanelarson6005 I was able to find a 4lb of each fall of 2023.
if you really want to smack ducks and geese try my load. 31.5 longshot mg42 wad mylar wrap in wad 20ga 1/8 felt in wad, 141grn tss #8, 402grn #2 bismith over shot card roll crimp or fold. 171 pellet same pellet count as 1.25oz lead#4 mod choke 30" at 40 i put average of 155 pellet on target
Sounds like a good load. I have not got into the tss or bismuth yet.
@wagner24314 What hull are you using?
@@williamcarter746 fed topgun work well and chedite all 2 3/4
What's the load data.
Federal or cheddite hull 23grain Longshot TPS 2 3/4 wad 1 1/8oz BB or your choice of steel. Will also need a felt cushion wad to get proper crimp. See attached video.
th-cam.com/video/RkxsHm2Wyjg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=jyS8_a8qau5ECT74