I've fallen down the reloading video rabbit hole. That automatic powder dispensing scale. Wow, things have changed a lot since I last thought about getting into reloading. This is going to be a fun (if expensive) hobby. LOL
After getting my 1st 12ga recently (Mossberg Maverick), this is why I've been toying with getting into reloading. To be able to cut down my once shot (and others I pick up) hull & reload into minis just for fun.
Fantastic stuff.....I do believe your 2 in shell is exactly what I have been looking for...I can not find anything or not will to spend that crazy prices.. 00buck 6 or 8 pellet and some slug for home defense. Go pattern the hell out of them and find the pattern I am looking for....Thanks great stuff keep it going...Thanks Paul a new guy loader soon
I used 27gr of long shot and I cut down a 7 1/2oz wad so I just had the cup so it would stay together better. It had less kick and a 10in group at 15 yards. Thanks for the video
Hi there, great videos that are intersting and educational, may you long contine! Can you possibly let me know the amount of longshot used in these short shells, as from the UK Ballistic products cannot supply me with either a manual or even a download at this time. Your assistance would vbe greatly recived from someone in a repressive and subpressed area of the supposed free world. Keep on Keeping on brother! Regards Keith
I have mag extensions on a couple Mossberg 835s, a 10+1 and 9+1. And a Ted Williams/Winchester 200 8+1. Gotta see how may I can stuff in them. I only load buck and musket ball .690 and 715cal. Shotguns are awsome.
You think if loaded length with 8pt crimp was 2-2.25” they’d feed in a Remington 870? It’ll run 1.75” but you can’t go fast, it’ll jam. It’d be nice to get 9 shells in my tactical
Interesting Posted a year ago. At auction i just pick up a Mec 600 JR, with 12 & 410 Dies With it a 55 & 30 gallon barrel full hulls, 6 + bricks of Primers, 1000 each and 3Lb Bullseye, 3Lbs Red-dot & 4lbs of Unique My First question what's the TRIM to length of the these short shells so they can be re-Crimped to two inches ? My Next question Can the three Powders, Bullseye, Red-dot & Unique be used to reload short 12 Ga, 00 Pellets & Next what shotgun re-loader's manual would you recommend, for 12 Ga, 00 Pellets Any & All help would be Greatly Appreciated Thank you Chris. Salem Or
Thanks for watching. I cut my short shells down to two inches and use a roll crimp. I have never tried a fold crimp on a short shell so I can't really answer that. For your powders i have only used Unique for slugs. And For load data books get as many as you can find. Lymans 5th, Ballistic products, and one of my go to books is called The Complete Reloading Manual for the 12 Gauge Shotshell. Its a little blue book with data from powder manufactures, RCBS and Lyman. Found mine at Cabalas for a good price. Also lots of free data online. If your new to reloading please use caution and always follow published load data for your safety. Please check out Buck and Slug Reloaders on FB its a great group to learn from. Have a great day.
Would be great to know where you get load data for these, don't mind buying longshot, have my lee molded 00 ready with federal gold medals and cheddites....none in the lyman book I see, which BP book is best for these? The buckshot one or reloading brass one?
A magazine tube extension allows 10 rounds in the tube with regular 2 3/4” ammunition… so how many rounds would it hold with these shells? Plenty extra more enough, plus some?
Thanks for watching. I used once fired hulls I picked up at the range.yes you can use low brass for this load. I don't reload these after firing. The data I used is from BPI in their buckshot manual. Have a great day and happy reloading.
Nice work on these shells. I’m sure you get this question often, I’m considering getting into 12ga shotgun ammo reloading. Any tips to point me in a safe direction if I want to get started? I’d like to focus on self defense loads such as you made here. Thank you and god bless 🙏🏻
Good day and thanks for watching. Before I started reloading I watched tons of videos on TH-cam mostly Bubba Roundtree he has a lot of great videos. Then I got the Lyman 5th edition data book and a MEC Jr 600 press and went all in from there. Also joined Buck and slug reloaders group on Facebook a lot of good people on there willing to help and answer questions. Start small and go from there.
@@12galife I'd agree with everything here, except there's no need to spend the money on a MEC press. For less than half the outlay you can get a Lee Load All II, perfectly usable out of the box. If you want to, you can spend money on it for things like a bottle conversion (to have easy changes of powder and shot), you can modify it to do 2" shells like these (out of the box it won't do a fold crimp shorter than 2 3/4", but for roll crimp you use another tool anyway, and you can drill one hole and make it ready for 2 1/2 or 2 1/4, another hole below that gets 2 and even 1 3/4, and simple mod to the crimp finisher lets it crimp down to 2 1/2 or shorter). Easy no-cost mods exist for faster shot and powder changes, and it's easily and cheaply switched over for 16 and 20 gauge (there are conversions for 28 and .410, too, but they're more expensive). Disclaimer: I'm cheap, and I just got a Load All II, so I'm still pretty happy with mine; that might change after a few hundred rounds, but I doubt it will.
Hey Mike thanks for watching. I have not had the chance to run them over a chrony yet but it is something I can do in the future. I will check my data book for a reference and get back to you.
woudnt not protecting the shot with a wad around the lead make the pellet melt into the barrel due to friction? what are the barrel looking like insides after firing?
Thanks for watching and very sorry for the late reply. Without a wad around the shot you will get lead fouling in your barrel but you can fix that with a good cleaning after range time.
I load buck too and use lizard litter for tumbling brass, when it starts to get dirty I use it for buffer and it actually cleans lead from the barrel with my loads, mirror like finish after running bore brush and patches after firing. Seems to help pattern better too.
yes i trim them new pour out the shot cast buck from the shot trim off the petals on the wad trim to length use same powder insert wad with center cut out and roll crimp with bingo chip
I don't have any Longshot powder only have Red Dot, some Green Dot and Unique powders. Can I utilize those powders and load with a corresponding charge by weight of bird shot and still be safe?
@@denisdegamon8224 that's what I do but if you change any other component you might want to start lower than the data states. Longshot is at a couple places now, Brownells and Powder River. $30a pound.
@@denisdegamon8224 a 9 pellet 00 weighs 1 1/8oz. You can follow data for a corresponding weight. #6 birdshot goes down the barrel just like #9 birdshot and do does buckshot. Feel free to use any size shot with the corresponding weight and charge providing you still get a good crimp. For example a corresponding load of steel would require more space.
And to which purpose? Fit more in the magazine?. Don't take me wrong, have loaded shells since the 1970's. A 2" shell outperforms a Std 2 3/4", Extra work. Never mind, if it can be done , why not
Use BP load data? If BP publishes the grain data, tell us what they say it is! From what I can see on their site and from their books, I'm guessing it's got to be something like 27 to 28-1/2 grains of Longshot.
Thanks for watching. Read the title at the start of the video it will read 2 inch shells and I also say it in the opening line of the video. Have a great day.
Thanks for watching. I never tried them through my 930 so I can't give you a good answer. Only tried them through my pumps. 870 was a no/go had a few jams in my Winchester they ran flawless through the Mossberg 500
I've fallen down the reloading video rabbit hole. That automatic powder dispensing scale. Wow, things have changed a lot since I last thought about getting into reloading. This is going to be a fun (if expensive) hobby. LOL
the dispenser has saved me, because I never zeroed my beam scale out of the box. worth it
After getting my 1st 12ga recently (Mossberg Maverick), this is why I've been toying with getting into reloading. To be able to cut down my once shot (and others I pick up) hull & reload into minis just for fun.
Awesome choice
I like to trim to 2½" and put a ¼" wad, so the loaded length is about 2". The 1¾" tend to jam if I single load through the ejection port.
Thanks for watching Sam.
A clear, informative and enjoyable watch! fantastic work!
Thanks for watching and have a great day
I've now watched this video 14 times
HA! This is the first time an interesting hull is set up and loaded with all the components that I already have!!!!
Thanks for watching. Have a great day
I loaded a couple 7/8 oz lee slugs to a 2" shell worked awesome less recoil and more slugs in the tube
Fantastic stuff.....I do believe your 2 in shell is exactly what I have been looking for...I can not find anything or not will to spend that crazy prices.. 00buck 6 or 8 pellet and some slug for home defense. Go pattern the hell out of them and find the pattern I am looking for....Thanks great stuff keep it going...Thanks Paul a new guy loader soon
Thanks for watching.
I used 27gr of long shot and I cut down a 7 1/2oz wad so I just had the cup so it would stay together better. It had less kick and a 10in group at 15 yards. Thanks for the video
Thanks for watching
Hi there, great videos that are intersting and educational, may you long contine! Can you possibly let me know the amount of longshot used in these short shells, as from the UK Ballistic products cannot supply me with either a manual or even a download at this time.
Your assistance would vbe greatly recived from someone in a repressive and subpressed area of the supposed free world.
Keep on Keeping on brother!
Regards
Keith
Good day and thanks for watching. I used 29 grains of Longshot for that load
I have mag extensions on a couple Mossberg 835s, a 10+1 and 9+1.
And a Ted Williams/Winchester 200 8+1. Gotta see how may I can stuff in them. I only load buck and musket ball .690 and 715cal. Shotguns are awsome.
Very informative and organized video presentation!. May I ask how many grains of LONGSHOT you used? THANK YOU
Thanks for watching. If I remember correctly I used 29gr of LS.
Dang Great video Brother!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😃 Watched the whole thing!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for watching. Have a great day.
This makes me wanna get into shotgunning more specially with reloading shells
Do it. Check out Buck and Slug reloaders group on FB. Great group for shotgunners and reloaders.
@@12galife i second this motion buck and slug member just enterd the chat
You think if loaded length with 8pt crimp was 2-2.25” they’d feed in a Remington 870? It’ll run 1.75” but you can’t go fast, it’ll jam. It’d be nice to get 9 shells in my tactical
Thanks for watching Nate. I tried running them through both my 870's no luck. They run great though the Mossberg's though. Have a great day
You said this was Ballistic Products data but I cannot seem to find it in the archived files. What was the date on it or send a link to the file.
Interesting Posted a year ago. At auction i just pick up a Mec 600 JR, with 12 & 410 Dies With it a 55 & 30 gallon barrel full hulls, 6 + bricks of Primers, 1000 each and 3Lb Bullseye, 3Lbs Red-dot & 4lbs of Unique My First question what's the TRIM to length of the these short shells so they can be re-Crimped to two inches ? My Next question Can the three Powders, Bullseye, Red-dot & Unique be used to reload short 12 Ga, 00 Pellets & Next what shotgun re-loader's manual would you recommend, for 12 Ga, 00 Pellets
Any & All help would be Greatly Appreciated
Thank you
Chris.
Salem Or
Thanks for watching. I cut my short shells down to two inches and use a roll crimp. I have never tried a fold crimp on a short shell so I can't really answer that. For your powders i have only used Unique for slugs. And For load data books get as many as you can find. Lymans 5th, Ballistic products, and one of my go to books is called The Complete Reloading Manual for the 12 Gauge Shotshell. Its a little blue book with data from powder manufactures, RCBS and Lyman. Found mine at Cabalas for a good price. Also lots of free data online. If your new to reloading please use caution and always follow published load data for your safety. Please check out Buck and Slug Reloaders on FB its a great group to learn from. Have a great day.
Are the bingo chips 7/8th and you said the 2 inch worked in Mossberg.I have a model 500.Thanks
Good day Amber thanks for watching. The bingo chips are 3/4 inch. They cycle great in a Mossberg 500. Have a great day.
I missed it in the blasties somewhere in the video I guess. What are the velocities on this load
Thanks for watching. I never ran any over the chrony myself but data states 1420fps. Have a great day.
Great Video , do you get any uneven cutting on the second pass . My first cut is good but the second never comes out a even .
Thanks for watching. No trouble with the second cut
Do you have a link for the hull trimmer or is it home made? great video!
Thanks for watching John. You can order it from Ballistic Products.
thanks. I think it will work on cut shells, as well.@@12galife
Would be great to know where you get load data for these, don't mind buying longshot, have my lee molded 00 ready with federal gold medals and cheddites....none in the lyman book I see, which BP book is best for these? The buckshot one or reloading brass one?
Thanks for watching. You can find the data in Ballistic Products buckshot manual.
A magazine tube extension allows 10 rounds in the tube with regular 2 3/4” ammunition… so how many rounds would it hold with these shells? Plenty extra more enough, plus some?
I can get 10+1 with the 590
Great Video, What type of lube are you using?
The buckshot was tumbled for 10-12 hours with a bit of graphite powder. Thanks for watching
@@12galife Lube on the roll
Vaseline or a little gun oil. Thanks for watching.
I'd really like to see a 2-oz, 00-Buckshot load in a 2-3/4' standard length hull using Long-shot.
How many grains of Longshot do you use?
Thanks for watching. The data calls for 30 grains of LS if I remember right I took it down to 29 grains.
Where these brand new hulls? can you use low brass hulls for this? and can you reload them again after being shot?
Thanks for watching. I used once fired hulls I picked up at the range.yes you can use low brass for this load. I don't reload these after firing. The data I used is from BPI in their buckshot manual. Have a great day and happy reloading.
@@12galifeWas going to ask where ya got the load data. 👍
Nice work on these shells. I’m sure you get this question often, I’m considering getting into 12ga shotgun ammo reloading. Any tips to point me in a safe direction if I want to get started? I’d like to focus on self defense loads such as you made here. Thank you and god bless 🙏🏻
Good day and thanks for watching. Before I started reloading I watched tons of videos on TH-cam mostly Bubba Roundtree he has a lot of great videos. Then I got the Lyman 5th edition data book and a MEC Jr 600 press and went all in from there. Also joined Buck and slug reloaders group on Facebook a lot of good people on there willing to help and answer questions. Start small and go from there.
@@12galife I'd agree with everything here, except there's no need to spend the money on a MEC press. For less than half the outlay you can get a Lee Load All II, perfectly usable out of the box. If you want to, you can spend money on it for things like a bottle conversion (to have easy changes of powder and shot), you can modify it to do 2" shells like these (out of the box it won't do a fold crimp shorter than 2 3/4", but for roll crimp you use another tool anyway, and you can drill one hole and make it ready for 2 1/2 or 2 1/4, another hole below that gets 2 and even 1 3/4, and simple mod to the crimp finisher lets it crimp down to 2 1/2 or shorter). Easy no-cost mods exist for faster shot and powder changes, and it's easily and cheaply switched over for 16 and 20 gauge (there are conversions for 28 and .410, too, but they're more expensive).
Disclaimer: I'm cheap, and I just got a Load All II, so I'm still pretty happy with mine; that might change after a few hundred rounds, but I doubt it will.
Are you able to reload the crimp shell after shooting?
You should be able to. I don't on these short shells because I have loads of these once fired hulls
Can you load regular 7 1/2 or 8 shot with these 2 inchers? And what pattern would they have? Thank you.
Since doing this video are you able to chronograph this load. Mike
Hey Mike thanks for watching. I have not had the chance to run them over a chrony yet but it is something I can do in the future. I will check my data book for a reference and get back to you.
Thanks, i will be looking forward to the information. Mike
Hey Mike I used data from BPI's 4th edition buckshot manual. The data states 1420fps 10000psi
awesome! i wonder if these would feed okay through an 870/tac-14. shooting 00, 9 pellet in a tac-14 is a teeth rattling experience. lol
Those short shells didn't run well in my 870. Not sure if they would work in a tac-14. Thanks for watching
woudnt not protecting the shot with a wad around the lead make the pellet melt into the barrel due to friction? what are the barrel looking like insides after firing?
Thanks for watching and very sorry for the late reply. Without a wad around the shot you will get lead fouling in your barrel but you can fix that with a good cleaning after range time.
@@12galife alright, thank you!
I load buck too and use lizard litter for tumbling brass, when it starts to get dirty I use it for buffer and it actually cleans lead from the barrel with my loads, mirror like finish after running bore brush and patches after firing. Seems to help pattern better too.
@@jeffw1246 aspen chips?
@@Francois_Dupont ground walnut shells
I know this post is 2yrs old, but did you not need to resize the once fired hulls?
Thanks for watching. Yes all hulls were resized.
How many Gr of Longshot was you using and what's the fps
Thanks for watching. I used 29g of LS around 1400fps
What size are the bingo cards and where did you get them. The ones I found are to big to fit in the shell?
I think they are .750 but I will double check that for you. I bought them through Amazon
They aren't actual bingo chips 🤣
Nice load ! Can you put buffer on it ?
Good day and thanks for watching. It is not recommended. Always use published load data to stay safe and healthy.
Thanks for your knowledge and safety 👍 be safe and good shooting .💪👍
My shotty is a 3 inch chamber! Do you think I can still use 2 inch shells?
Thanks for watching. Sorry for the late response. If it was me I wouldn't. Read the owners manual first to see it's safe.
@@12galife hmm fs man because I be shooting 2 3/4 inch shells but will do!
Love the bingo card hack LOL
Thanks for watching. Have a great day.
where did you get the ram tool? i need a good ram tool to pack my hulls with
It's an old muzzleloader bullet starter
You were using longshot. What gr ?
Thanks for watching Tony. Fiocchi hull and primer with 29gr of LS
Ok. Thank you
Do you recommend a low recoil Measurement
Lowest measurement I have gone with long shot is 27 gr
Bingo chips are way less expensive than bpi's clear overshot cards..... im guessing bingo chips are just as good right?
Also, you can save money when you buy BP hulls, just get the primed ones, the cost difference is not worth thinking about.
Very cool!!
Thanks for watching.
Be a good way to get rid of the tons of winchester El cheapo hulls
yes i trim them new pour out the shot cast buck from the shot trim off the petals on the wad trim to length use same powder insert wad with center cut out and roll crimp with bingo chip
I've found that one bingo chip is too thin..the have a tendency to crack when dropped. use 2 and the problem is solved...
I did the same thing, saving the actual overshot disks for Italian slug loading.
How many grain of longshot
Thanks for watching Tony. I think it was 29gr. I will have to check my data book to confirm. I let you know in the morning
Data calls for 30gr LS
How much longshot are you using?
If I remember right it was 29grs. The data I used was from BPI’s buckshot manual. Thanks for watching
I don't have any Longshot powder only have Red Dot, some Green Dot and Unique powders.
Can I utilize those powders and load with a corresponding charge by weight of bird shot and still be safe?
@@denisdegamon8224 that's what I do but if you change any other component you might want to start lower than the data states. Longshot is at a couple places now, Brownells and Powder River. $30a pound.
I'm no expert so I don't recommend it. The data I used was from BPI's buckshot manual. Thanks for watching Denis.
@@denisdegamon8224 a 9 pellet 00 weighs 1 1/8oz. You can follow data for a corresponding weight. #6 birdshot goes down the barrel just like #9 birdshot and do does buckshot. Feel free to use any size shot with the corresponding weight and charge providing you still get a good crimp. For example a corresponding load of steel would require more space.
How long are these compared to aguila?
I don't really know I never had any Aguila
I have got to get into reloading i shoot so much shot guns for sport shooting
Thanks for watching. Have a great day
And to which purpose? Fit more in the magazine?. Don't take me wrong, have loaded shells since the 1970's. A 2" shell outperforms a Std 2 3/4", Extra work. Never mind, if it can be done , why not
Good stuff .
Thanks for watching James
Good video
Thanks for watching
Use BP load data?
If BP publishes the grain data, tell us what they say it is!
From what I can see on their site and from their books, I'm guessing it's got to be something like 27 to 28-1/2 grains of Longshot.
Would be great in my keltec ksg
have you made any with buffer
That will be my next video
My buddy has a $1800 Benelli that won't cycle these shortys so when I do a mag dump with my SXP he turns and leaves.
Funny stuff right there
Seven in the tube means you could have 9 total in the gun!
How much Longshot does BPI say to use?
30gr thanks for watching
Dang , 30grs makes that magnum load
Thanks for watching Mud Kicker. Recoil wasn't to bad but you do feel it after a little while
@@mudkicker9659that's what was thinking. Heavy load out for such a small hull but a great performer
Literally a bingo card?
Should of said bingo chip you can get 1000 of them for $8-$10 on Amazon and they work great
An actual length on the cut down hull would have been nice. You’ve made a nice, long video with no actual data. Just time wastage.
Thanks for watching. Read the title at the start of the video it will read 2 inch shells and I also say it in the opening line of the video. Have a great day.
@@12galife yes you did and crimped down to 12 3/4 " . my store bought are 1 3/4 and crimped to 1 1/2 "
Not a very good video
Hello, how many grains of longshot are you using for your 2 inch shorties With#00.
How many shells in a Mossberg 930?
Thanks for watching. I never tried them through my 930 so I can't give you a good answer. Only tried them through my pumps. 870 was a no/go had a few jams in my Winchester they ran flawless through the Mossberg 500