Seeking God in Wild Places | Paul Kingsnorth & Martin Shaw
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 พ.ค. 2024
- About the Speakers:
Paul Kingsnorth is the author of nine books of fiction, non-fiction and poetry, including the Booker-longlisted novel The Wake. He is co-founder of the Dark Mountain Project, an international network of writers and artists in search of new stories for an age of upheaval. After years of searching through different spiritual traditions in pursuit of truth, including Wicca and Chan Buddhism, he was baptised into the Orthodox church in 2021. He lives on a smallholding in Ireland.
Dr Martin Shaw is an award-winning writer, oral storyteller and mythologist. A wilderness rites of passage guide, Shaw spent four years living in a tent. He founded the Oral Tradition and Living Myth courses at Stanford University and is described by the Irish Times as an “interloper from the medieval”. An Eastern Orthodox Christian, Shaw has introduced thousands of people to myth and how it speaks to our age.
This talk is a part of our Faith and Moral Courage series, where we are exploring how we can reconnect people with their faith or deepest values, so they can meet the many crises we face with courage.
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Christianity has become much less lonely with these two in it!
Like if you are in the Paul Vanderklay realm
So many people are experiencing this sort of awakening right now. A sort of return to our roots, or back to the drawing board, myself inculded. Everyone seems to have been living life wandering aimlessly through the desert trying to find meaning... How many other people feel this way and have had similar experiences with finding Christ?
Yep, the last few years, most intensely with the pandemic. Bananas.
@@MJeeEm-fg8md You certainly aren't the only one.
I have just become a member of our local Anglican Church. I’ve been a Christian in theory for a long time but now it sees important to go deeper and commit fully.
Can see it happening all around me in my personal life. It’s all quite surprising and wonderful!
Yep, 100%
Amazing the prodigals crawling homeward & finding a rushing love swooping faster than we can crawl 🙏🏼☦️
We don’t go back to the Christian stories to ‘use them’ culturally. Kingsnorth. Brilliant.
Every high place has to fall - man's way is crumbling Hallelujah!
A banquet of a conversation. Much to take away and mull. Thanks.
Thank you so much for recording and posting this. Really admire these two and loved their conversation. Yes - the host/mc/interviewer was a tad labored with her statement/questions esp early on, but Paul & Martin are so gracious & articulate that they were easily able to get through to the salient points. Much to chew on here but I particularly found the point that the person of Jesus the Christ is much wilder than humanity’s attempts to co-opt Him for our pet political project or agenda. Yes - there are Christian ‘principles’ to be considered and applied in our socio-political spheres - but - more important - is Jesus’ question to His apostles (and us) - ‘Who do YOU say I am?’ And are we going to allow Him to be our Lord - where we are?
This was marvellous and stirring, the guests' generosity of themselves is deeply human.... hope it will get much more viewing in the coming weeks!
Listening to Paul I wanted to point out, the laws of the universe have recently been found to actually evolve and are not fixed (I'm a theoretical physicists daughter). I feel maybe the resurrection was a time this happened - Jesus' love transforming the fundamental the reality of the universe in the most profound way.
Use the story as a shield. Interesting idea. Myths are a reflection.
Saint Tom of Waits. Brilliant.
To walk in the garden with the Lord in complete freedom, Oh Adam how far the fall?
Living on the Wild Atlantic Coast ... the wild rugged beauty of north Mayo ... stand on the Cliffs at Portacloy .. look out at the Stags of Broadhaven ... I'm blessed to be on the Wild adventure called life with the God who made it all ...
It's the Great Awakening. So many people are being called to Christ. Jesus is not going to lose anyone given to Him by the Father.
"And I will tell you of the wrestle which I had before God... Behold, I went... in the forests... And my soul hungered... And there came a voice unto me..."
"O God... if there is a God, and if Thou art God, wilt Thou make Thyself known unto me..."
Beautiful and touching discussion. We can't go into Christianity instrumentally, thanks Paul!
I really enjoyed this.
The Jesus Prayer
1:16:00 that hunger as an 11 year old kept me coming back week by week to Church and preparedme for faith at 17 - it is, to me, a Holy thing
If we're living at the end of a culture, as Kingsnorth says, there is still God. God is not going away. The person of Christ changed the human story and I sense that change remains, no matter how we'd like not to be haunted by that reality.
It's happening.
Precisely Paul at 39: - The depths of Gods love extends all the way in and through his creation. Including the material, time, space, limit. And then, now! He transforms it - not by negation - but by uniting His Spirit with the....world
It is a pulpit when there is no altar ...
We get to choose between the two ...
I can’t help but wonder if Paul or Martin are familiar with the Waterboys and Mike Scott. They speak in prose and story what I’ve been hearing in Waterboys music for a long time. I think I discern kindred spirits.
PreChristian civilization now? Brilliant. ‘We should take a shot’-Shaw
Thank you! I hope there are many more of us who are discovering the wildness and weirdness of Christianity (with or without psychedelics!)
Fascinating that they are both non-Americans. As someone in Canada, I've known for a long time that being Christian only makes you suspect.
For more reflections on church in secular culture: th-cam.com/play/PLmKcUgl_U7lWoPFV3kot0We1qUSeYKfMj.html&si=dsZlmm-enLPo3HcM
Paul Kingsworthy is straight up preaching after their introductions.
Oh dear
Saw the title of this and thought it was about animism . Disappointed .
The christianity i was raised in was pure control , tedium and neurotic fear . Wild places indeed .🙃
Still , if anyone can rework and redeem the mythos of christianity it would be a poet or storyteller.
I love the power should be at the altar not the pulpit comment . One of the most off putting things for me about Christianity in UK is the lecturing priests, robed and hierarchical. I can do without that thanks .
Sort of quaint, like a time before multiculturalism. I had a very strong awakening experience a bit like as described here in a wild Buddhist monastery. It is interesting how we can project those experiences onto a form or figure. Christianity is certainly having a moment as the Christian nations support the slaughter of Muslims in Palestine to fulfil biblical prophecy and while the orthodox and western church in Russia and Ukraine use their ideologies to batter each other into submission. I hope we can move on but in these uncertain times people do wish to hark back to the comfort of a figure that will save us when really spreading the Christian message is really branding slaves, colonies, crusades, World wars. Actually we have a new understanding of Gaia, one shared home beyond these religious tribal stories, one shared beautiful home, and a cosmos of incredible wonder.
But even your concern over the sins you list has its roots in Christianity. If you were living in pre-Christian Greece or Rome, wars and crusades and slavery would not be seen as evils. As Tom Holland says, human rights which we tend to see as universal only emerged out of the cataclysmic Jesus revolution.
@@HiHoSilvey Are you suggesting no prior cultures had morality/ethics?
Not sure about that, the Buddha was well before Jesus and had a deep sense of compassionate humanity. Hinduism as well.
@@rowanberry2355 I'm not suggesting that prior cultures had none at all but it would definitely be the exception and not the rule. Women and slaves were not considered equal (ask Plato). There were no abolitionists because no one thought slavery wrong.
@@HiHoSilvey I suggest it's worth looking further than Europe and possibly further back than Plato