"I can do anything for 5 minutes..." this has been a mantra for me. Angies ability to verbalize our horrific journey (each of us is different) is incredibly helpful.❤
Brilliant beautiful honest conversation. Thank you both. Robin Williams was a friend and neighbor. He suffered akathisia after being put on a cocktail of meds at Hazelden just a few months before. My husband was with him two weeks before he died. His lights were out. The drugs killed him. We were and still are devastated.
Thank you for your comment. At the time, I thought it was probably the drug damage that caused him to end his life, thank you for confirming that. Such a sad loss of a wonderful and talented person.
I know he was depressed, and had anxiety, he also was misdiagnosed with Parkinson’s disease, but later found out it was Lewy Dementia, I believe that’s why he killed him self. Very sad story.
They didn't need the MAID Act from Canada to destroy Robin. Then again, it's better for Standard of Care psychiatrists to corral people as long term cash cows!
I'm so grateful to Angie for responding to my emails a couple of times in 2020 when I was just recovering from akathisia hell and had seen Medicating Normal and watched interviews and created a couple of bumper stickers. Those responses meant so much to me! Since then, I've learned a lot about the condition and psychiatric harms, in general. I wrote my story for MIA in 2021. Maybe someday I could become a coach, too! All I want to do is support people and get the word out about how dangerous psych drugs are and get the message out there: "Don't start"! Great interview.
Great description by this guest of how her "medical treatment" of PTSD led step by step, diagnosis by diagnosis, drug by drug, to a morass of misdiagnoses and drug- induced illnesses. And also, great description of how she got out of that illness. Good for you, and for the people you help now, Angie Peacock!
What she says is true. There is no meditation, no affirmations, no love, no prayers that work. It is constant suffering, and those tiny moments of seconds of relief from the anguish, I call that its lifted for a bit. One never knows when it will lift, when it will break.
Try Brain Saver Protocols by Medical Medium. It hasn't been out very long but it saved my life. It has solutions to all of this via using very powerful formulas using food and herbs. Its like a full time job but at least it gives you something to focus on and the results do actually work by actually repairing the damage that has been done by this toxic garbage
Angie Peacock I can’t thank you well enough for your honesty and hope. I am going to share this on Cymbalta Hurts Worse and then go watch Medicating Normal again. Thank you for your honesty and continued courage battling the psychotropic war, even after your military tour and attack. Josef Witt-Doerring, thank you for pulling these incredible soldiers in to share their stories and give followers hope.
The one thing that has helped me is exactly what she said about just accepting the suffering. As I learned that there is no pill, no exercise, no ER procedure, no professional that can make things better I found a kind of serenity. Doesn't mean I don't have thought of despair, self-pity, anger, etc. but I don't wast energy bargaining with the universe. This is my journey. I'm in it alone. All of us who suffer this hell...we are alone. Let's be alone TOGETHER!
❤... you don't get me wrong, when telling you, we are a lot of ppl, and despite our individual suffering I don't want to diminish.... but, you are not alone, we are many I guess, um thus, let's all don't Lose hope to get our common issue get off the ground, things r already have been startet... bless you and don't forget to take care of yourself... ❤❤
My biggest “Oh shit” moment was around 30-60 days out. I realized things weren’t going back the way they came. I still believed, until 4.5mths off, that I could wake up better the next day. That disappointment almost killed me. Especially while flying out of bed, with my head pulled back in dystonia, while also having air hunger. I’d be gagging with horrid gastritis. I’d also be greeted with my horrific, newfound tinnitus that I knew was quasi permanent. I credit having to accept the tinnitus as saving my life. I was so distracted by it, I didn’t even notice the scary, tardive neurological stuff erupting. Eventually, though, I did have anothet “Oh shit” moment. I was grocery shopping and thought that I was “walking taller” and had better posture since coming off medications. By the time I got to the back of the store, I realized I was having trouble walking and was like “Oh shit”. I remember 14mths off when I stopped counting in “months” and started counting in “years”. I remember when I realize my akathisia was chronic. I remember realizing my akathisia wasn’t just from the Klonopin and went back to when I was 19 yrs old when I got serotonin syndrome from Prozac. Then I realized that it went back to my childhood myoclonus and started with sickness and antibiotics and that I was likely a PANS/PANDAS case and it was WHY I went searching for relief and eventually tried the Prozac to begin with. When I think about it, there have been a lot of “oh shit” moments. I remember when I realized that all medications are toxins and that your body would never “need” them and that taking care of your mental health should not involve medications if you can absolutely help it.
Kevin Kelly, Thank you for sharing your oh shit moments. Me too - lots of oh shit moments - the worst maybe being how alone I have felt and also how terminal. So far, my favorite video of Dr. Witt-Doerring’s.
They were drowning you in meds. It is possible to have a physician fire you. It is horrifying when you realize you’re alone. Also, I’m so glad that doing the film saved you. God bless medicating normal!
You, Dr Wittdoering and Angie are my two "Internet angels" that are helping me keep going through BIND with lots of hope, courage and faith! I am so greatful to both of you ❤️ your videos are really God sent. I guess many others are or will benefit as well! Many blessings
I've been going through a rough spell. I took 20mg of Celexa for 25 yrs. I came off of it. I gradually reduced from 20 to 10. After not seeing or having any problems I more quickly went from10 to zero. I now know that is may be what caused a problem. The last dose or least amount is the most important to gradually reduce. I also had a few depressing factors that complicated my life. I think the worst part is the protracted withdrawal from Celexa. I think I'm beginning to feel a little better. After this video, I'm more prepared to suffer through this difficult period to reach a better me.
Thank you, Angie, for helping me by answering some questions after viewing Medicating Normal! I have never forgotten you & I’m always grateful for your comforting words! 🙏🏼♥️ YOU LOOK GREAT! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
This lady is such an inspiration for those undergoing the same or any suffering in general. These experiences shape us as humans. I hope she’s proud of herself 💛
The man is a shill. He's here to mislead us per the usual standard. Humans under the influence of corporate blood-money and the programming of higher education behave in a manner that can only be described as insane and self destructive.
You, Angie, still have all of us. We all have, along with you, lost so very much. I guess we have to grieve, to process it. Somehow. And love ourselves which is what we were robbed of. Ourselves.
Angie literally helped save my sanity! She popped up on my feed when I was desperate. I didn't have a clue what was wrong with me , somehow I listened to one of her podcasts and gained insight. I have listened to almost all her video's to date. She put a name to my insidious suffering and continues to educate so well. I hear her put into words what I have been through and continue to struggle with. Mostly I gained HOPE. Thank you beautiful soul Angie.
Great interview, Angie explains it very well. For insomnia, sleep when you can, even if you are sleeping during the day. You can fix circadian when you are stronger.
I agree. It still feels hideous though. Radical acceptance ( this is real , and I accept I will need to take it as it comes, sleep whenever I can) It is getting better . 15 months out.❤
Sounds like she had Sensory Overload! Horrible to experience ant of these symptoms, never mind so many! She has great resolve! 🙌🏼. Thank you, Angie, for answering my questions after Medicating Normal! I never forgot your messages of hope to us all! Much gratitude, love & respect to you! (My first comment of gratitude was deleted.) ♥️🙌🏼
@Dr. Josef & Angie Peacock, during my micro liquid taper of a B. after 20 years, per my Primary Care Physician (PCP), I learned from others, taking a tiny bit of a medical CBD gummy bear, was helpful in relieving that horrible insomnia! I did not take it every night, nor did I find it addictive, just very helpful! I was able to sleep about 5 hrs a night with just a small bite! After months, then it flipped to not being able to do much else, but sleep! {Like Laura Delano’s grandparents said about her being a fixture on their couch!} It was like the body forcing me to sleep! If there had been an emergency at that time, I don’t think I would’ve moved off that couch! (Extreme adrenal fatigue/exhaustion??) I am older & started withdrawal in my early 50’s! Hoping for affordable housing to be able to finish...half way off this last B. All the Best to All on this Journey. ♥️🌹🌿 And i hope this is helpful to Dr. Josef & Angie & others. Much is trial & error.
I has SEVERE insomnia for almost 2.5 years straight.. many many days in a row of ZERO sleep...then maybe a night of 1 or 2 hours of TERROR filled TOXIC sleep then days and days in a row of ZERO..... I got my cortisol level tested and it was twice as high in the middle of the night that the average persons level is in the morning.... when a normal persons cortisol level is at it's highest. My cortisol chart was basically a straight line at the very top of the chart for the entire 24 hour period. But I am COMPLETELY healed now at about 5 years later.
@@garysimone4977 I survived second by second...it was VERY tough. Because while having sever insomnia...I had dozens of other physical and mental symptoms. The only thing that helped was T I M E....lots of T I M E for my brain and CNS to heal.
Angie, let's be honest. Even if we didn't lose everything else, what is central is, that we lost who we were(are). How anyone isn't full of rage over that, I will never understand. And we know who to blame. They all knew what we would endure, because this has been going on for about 65 years!!!
THEY ALL KNOW. THEY HAVE KNOWN ALL ABOUT THIS ENORMOUS IMMENSE SUFFERING FOR ABOUT 50-60+ YEARS. THAT IS A PROVEN FACT. DON'T EVER THINK THEY "DIDN'T KNOW."
To quote Dr. Peter Breggin: " The most dangerous thing you can do in the Western World is go to a psychiatrist." Literally true. More than true! The only thing I would add to that is that I wish I had listened to Tom Cruise the first time he warned us of this.
Family Psychologist John Roseman wrote in his column - "Allowing your child to be sent for a Psychiatric Evaluation is the worst thing you can do!" Under the Baker Act in FL, parents need not be informed - according to the CCHR FL!
Thank you both for this great interview. Angie does a really good job of explaining how the drug/diagnoses cascade happens and how spellbinding prevents us from recognizing it. There are so many mental health "treatment" stories out there. Mine includes around 50 psych drugs, ECT, and Vagal Nerve stimulator implant. My brain is fried, and I've seen no evidence of it recovering. Appreciate the work Angie is doing👏
Akathesia is what i went through for so many years. Its been 30 years since being on those drugs. My brain is finnaly healing . Im grateful i have a caring shrink and councellor.
Im 64 years old now and I believe it was those psychiatric drugs that hurt me, I’m still recovering from those things, just to clarify what I said earlier. I’m no drug addict but all of those 12 steps and 12 tratraditiosns of all those programs helped me heal . I just replaced the word alcohol with psych drugs in the Big book from AA and used all the nice people in all the open meetings I attended .
So if we don’t actually heal all the way, then I guess all the people who say permanent damage are right. Even if we are back to functional, happy lives if we are still experiencing symptoms caused by the drugs, I’d have to agree that is permanent damage from the medication. I have several things that I struggle with despite being functional and doing well. But I didn’t have them prior to the benzo.
I don’t believe my healing is over yet. I’m still in the process. I was prescribed over 40 meds in a 13 year period with 18 drugs at the same time at the height of it. My healing pattern and timeframe is not going to be everyone else’s. I know I am an extreme case. As far as I’m concerned, this is the best I’ve ever felt in 20 years (on or off meds) so anything residual means little to me. Please know that most people heal most of the way, LONG before my timeframe and they go on to live happy, meaningful lives.
18 meds. is insane. My husband was a Vietnam vet. , the VA did the SAME thing to him. I watched him spiral downhill from his first visit. We had no idea this treatment was inappropriate. Just like Angie.😢
Tiergarten 4, from 1930s Germany - didn't bother to stay with drugs, since they gave out lethal injections {while they continued to bill the families for months}. Since 3/23, Canada has been giving these injections to those who have a DSM label - via their MAID Act!
Im so glad she addressed the "loop". You have one thought, I'm going to die, go crazy, kill myself and it repeats about every 4-5 seconds. I don't know I survived Akathesia, death would have been a welcomed relief.
I thank all the 12 step recovery friends that showed me that I am allowed to make choices for my own life. God bless the 12 steps of all the revovery programs. Those rooms of recovery was a stepping stone to GOD and Jesus for me!
It’s amazing she could read at all! I couldn’t read a small book for 8 months! (But I am twice her age & had been taking a B. for all of 20 years when I started my taper, per my doctor. I’m relating to her as she’s listing all the side effects thinking to myself, “Yep! Yep! Yep...” ad infinitum! {SURVIVAL IS THE PRIORITY!} I had no idea about the diaphragm pain! Is it common to throw up with that?? Grateful not to have it now!
So I am 27 days out and I am desperate for assistance from Australia, no one will listen and I had to diagnose myself. Our stories are similar, how do we get assistance?
Generally the only help out there are free online support groups, coaches in this space, or doctors such as Dr, Josef Witt-Doerring. Most of us do not get support, in real life, in our hometowns.
Baby steps each day. You'll get through to the other side in time. In the meantime, keep as active as possible, take walks, look for the good everywhere, keep plugging along in the midst of the constant suffering. There will be a shift eventually. @@katiegilmour1435
This is common practice for inpatients at Island Health Royal Jubilee Hospital Mental Health Services in Victoria BC. Overprescribing, polypharmacy, prescribing cascades are far too common in psychiatry. Zero trauma informed care and slapstick treatment of symptoms and drugs to treat side effects of the pseudoscientific drug cocktails.
Hello Guys 😢😢😢,i am doing a withdrawal from 2 mg of clonazepam and many antidepressants,it's really night mare ,i cant think ,i cant talk ,i dont want to see people ,just hope it will stop ,i am ready to fight ,but people stay away from those benzos ,i was in a clinic for two months,people on fentanyl are going ok after ten -fifteen days ,they are fully recovered,but i am keeping the bed....God Bless All of us Sorry for my bad expression hope you guys are getting well soon BIG HUG !!
Abused by the military industrial (and political) complex, and then abused by the medical industrial (and political) complex when back home. So many terrible stories. What do they want, to be happy after going to war and see partners die? They just want to obscenely profit from war and from drugs that not only don't work, but damage persons. Best wishes.
OMG I've just had the same lightning bolt moment. I'm 3 months off benzo's now after 26 years. I don't have GAD MDD or BPD2 !!!! I don't have any of these things. I lost my marriage, my ability to work and the worst thing, my health. This is so wrong 🙈 First drug to start this was XANAX !! 🙈
Out of my mind recent is the lamictal been month n half insomnia severe headache upper body pain still on 4 other meds rage anger ect depression I could go on been to so many phyc of the years n every meds know also ect n I just cried all the way home sucidal.
My personal experience of homicidal thoughts went like this: I had been in protracted withdrawal, with a sensitized nervous system for about 2 years. But at that time I didn't know I was suffering from drug damage, my doctor was thinking it was just my anxiety and depression coming back, so he wrote me a prescription for Prozac. I had previously been on Lexapro. I was hesitant to take the Prozac because when I had previously tried to reinstate Lexapro a month earlier, I had become suicidal. So I took a half dose of the Prozac, within days I was experiencing feelings of rage towards my family, and having violent thoughts towards them, I was imagining awful, graphic ways of killing them, these thoughts just came into my mind out of nowhere. I was horrified because I'm normally a kind, and gentle person. Luckily I realized it was the drug causing this issue and immediately stopped taking it, the homicidal thoughts stopped. I never went back to my doctor and after that, completely stayed away from all psychiatric drugs. I've recovered slowly over the course of about 10 years.
Can Dopamine agonist cause protracted withdrawal. Because i was on low dose Cabergoline and came off of it and had a lot of these symptoms. I had suicidal thoughts, severe anxiety out of nowhere. I read about Dopamine Agonist Withdrawal Syndrome (DAWS) and read some people's withdrawal symptoms are so bad they have no choice but to go back on so i went back on and got 60-70% better but still having some symptoms i didnt have before.
The two therapeutic targets that offer hope are the digestive tract and sleep. With regard to the former, psyllium husk as a source of fiber coupled with dosages of magnesium sulfate and magnesium oxide as laxatives help to cleans the G.I. so as to guard against digestive putrefication and constipation/impaction. With regard to sleep then, a quick round of aerobic exercise followed by a dose of Ramelteon and Seroquel with a periodicity between 2 to 5 days then provides relief by way of sleep. This is a highly simplified version of the regime that has helped to save my life, but it does offer the sound basis by which to prevent the outcomes intended by our cotrollerrs which is death via the criminal justice system and disease. Operationally speaking the cultural origins of control map back into deep antiquity with the latest renditions clearly emergent from the dual versions of Operation Paperclip that witnessed the division of Nazi Germany's scientific and foreign policy elites split between the United States as "leader of the free world" or 1st world and the Soviet Union as the 2nd world. The inability and unwillingness of human populations to come to terms with this history is indicative of the cogntiive failure likewise observed in the interview above. There is little cause for hope, so we must do our best within the limitations of our respective, individual abilities.
Follow me as I am documenting my withdrawal. I’m a nurse, and have witnessed personally harm and death from opioids. It ties into the medical gaslighting and harm that physicians do. My next update will be posted in four days.
Sorry u went thru that! Ctd off Klonopin..n My ears nose n ears feel like they're on fire n acid. Severe aka dp/dr ears feel like being drilled into... Vibrating causes severe pain in chest ribs upper back. Tremors. Muscle jerkd. SEVERE air hunger. Extreme terror . Feel like suffocating eberyday 😟Cant take it anymore!!
“I saw you from a foreign window Bearing down the suffering road You were carrying your burden To the palace of the Lord…” “Foreign Window” by Van Morrison People die for lack of poetry.
Is there anything natural to help a mother 84, withdrawal 2 years from 7 psy meds who now has aggressive dementia? Over the last 18 years she would swing up and down, no authentic laughter or crying, paranoia, catatonic, had-hallucinations. Never should have been put on any. Counseling for trauma and grief should have been done. She loves and knows the Lord Jesus, but has become withdrawn. I heard that spiritual death is a side effect. She has had tingling, lost appetite and now won’t brush her teeth(last 7 Mo.’s) and barely allows caregivers to shower her.
You could(! - I'm not a medical professional) taper it down to 135mg and see how you feel, and move accordingly from there. The quitting process isn't done over night, anyway, if you decide to do so.
Best to not throw neurotoxic drugs down the toilet, since Sewage Treatment Plants fail to remove the poison - and then all the fish flounder around. This was covered in the Buffalo News!
One drug for me. I did fantastically well for 20yrs on Effexor xr. Sung it’s praises to everyone. Then I got sick. Spent 18months testing for all sorts and all came back fine. Eventually Effexor was the only thing left to look at. Boy was that scary, until I did enough research to realise I don’t need it like a diabetic needs insulin (as we are generally lead to believe). Imho favourable drug reactions are not an indicator of a continual favourable drug reaction. It’s only a matter of how much time until injury becomes obvious. It’s insidious and so much of the build up is tiny silly ignorable stuff and usually put down to other things and needlessly wrongly medicated. Half way through my 5th year tapering. Hoping to be off within the year. Neurotoxic brain injury and all it’s daily variables leave me unable to function consistently well enough to participate fully in my own life, never mind work for a living.
Yes, and symptoms change day to day sometimes. However, suffering can /does get better. It takes serious TIME to heal❤❤❤. At least that's my experience.
Yes skeleton I look like my ribs hurt severe. No buttocks either! Skin and bones Geraldine burns once said and true for me . I’m on venlafaxine auro xl
Over a trillion spent on rehabs, AA and other programs with only a 10% success rate. What a waste of money! Goes up to 50% after 6 rehab stays! Crazy. Grifters?
15 yrs ago after meds made me worse:1)his office mate P-doc is (deliberately?) seen moving like sedated robot 2) the “we’re still in the dark ages” speech 3) Stigma campaign$ to offset lucrative dark age medication.
Im surprised they titrated so quickly, wouldnt someone have consideed the possibility of seizures? Jesus, i had seizure after seizure before some kind soul gave me a few weeks worth of librium to help out.
Today's qualified mental health professionals (QMHPs) seldom use 'formal assessment instruments' for diagnosis. Instead, they do 'informal assessment based on an interview, gathering current presentation; historical medical info to include treatment history and past meds; genetic, social, and familial influences. Most formal assessment instruments are proprietary to psychologists, and most often used in federally funded facilities where psychologists are most often found, i.e. the V.A.. In reality, formal and informal assessments are both 'soft science' approaches. As a result, diagnoses among are often 'all over the place', whether formal or informal. Meds are per diagnosis, so multiple diagnoses, and multiple meds are often the case. Glad to hear Angie has been able to negotiate the QMHP fiasco, and get off the meds, most she likely did not need in the first place. OTOH, proper diagnosis and assiciated meds are often a Godsend to those with legit needs, i.e. schizophrenia, BPD, and some other severe, persistent mental illnesses.
All of those mental diagnoses can be attributed to one problem: toxic heavy metals. It's nearly impossible to avoid metals today with all the toxic crap we are surrounded with, but then anything manufactured by a pharmaceutical company contains metals that create these so-called "mental illnesses" which are not identifying a "chemical imbalance" at all, but rather that a person has been exposed to too much mercury or aluminum or any number of metals. It's too bad that more people aren't aware of this. Once you try removing metals and get the relief, you start to make sense of it.
Mental diagnoses are due to Psychiatrists, who are lock step with pessimistic Freudian ideology. They need many sad people to become cash cows!@@ATeitter
"I can do anything for 5 minutes..." this has been a mantra for me. Angies ability to verbalize our horrific journey (each of us is different) is incredibly helpful.❤
Feeling alone is tough
This is so important. You guy´s are true heroes, so many people suffers, people die from this horror, I allmost lost my life to.
Brilliant beautiful honest conversation. Thank you both. Robin Williams was a friend and neighbor. He suffered akathisia after being put on a cocktail of meds at Hazelden just a few months before. My husband was with him two weeks before he died. His lights were out. The drugs killed him. We were and still are devastated.
Thank you for your comment. At the time, I thought it was probably the drug damage that caused him to end his life, thank you for confirming that. Such a sad loss of a wonderful and talented person.
I know he was depressed, and had anxiety, he also was misdiagnosed with Parkinson’s disease, but later found out it was Lewy Dementia, I believe that’s why he killed him self. Very sad story.
@@kerrijodierberger much of that info was what they wanted people to think. That's not actually what was going on.
They didn't need the MAID Act from Canada to destroy Robin. Then again, it's better for Standard of Care psychiatrists to corral people as long term cash cows!
Mindy and Mork!@@Jen.K
I'm so grateful to Angie for responding to my emails a couple of times in 2020 when I was just recovering from akathisia hell and had seen Medicating Normal and watched interviews and created a couple of bumper stickers. Those responses meant so much to me! Since then, I've learned a lot about the condition and psychiatric harms, in general. I wrote my story for MIA in 2021. Maybe someday I could become a coach, too! All I want to do is support people and get the word out about how dangerous psych drugs are and get the message out there: "Don't start"! Great interview.
Hei , Can I contact you please please?
Hello
Can I please get her email address ?
Love to do the same
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Great description by this guest of how her "medical treatment" of PTSD led step by step, diagnosis by diagnosis, drug by drug, to a morass of misdiagnoses and drug- induced illnesses. And also, great description of how she got out of that illness. Good for you, and for the people you help now, Angie Peacock!
What she says is true. There is no meditation, no affirmations, no love, no prayers that work. It is constant suffering, and those tiny moments of seconds of relief from the anguish, I call that its lifted for a bit. One never knows when it will lift, when it will break.
Try Brain Saver Protocols by Medical Medium.
It hasn't been out very long but it saved my life. It has solutions to all of this via using very powerful formulas using food and herbs. Its like a full time job but at least it gives you something to focus on and the results do actually work by actually repairing the damage that has been done by this toxic garbage
I felt that way for seven years but there was a way out for me. I received NAD with Amino Acids and got off Benzos.
@@jameswatson5501please share more about this🙏🏻
Angie Peacock I can’t thank you well enough for your honesty and hope. I am going to share this on Cymbalta Hurts Worse and then go watch Medicating Normal again. Thank you for your honesty and continued courage battling the psychotropic war, even after your military tour and attack. Josef Witt-Doerring, thank you for pulling these incredible soldiers in to share their stories and give followers hope.
The one thing that has helped me is exactly what she said about just accepting the suffering. As I learned that there is no pill, no exercise, no ER procedure, no professional that can make things better I found a kind of serenity.
Doesn't mean I don't have thought of despair, self-pity, anger, etc. but I don't wast energy bargaining with the universe. This is my journey. I'm in it alone.
All of us who suffer this hell...we are alone. Let's be alone TOGETHER!
Blessings of health and peace to you.
@beatrizrosado898 thank you and tp you as well.
YES!❤
❤... you don't get me wrong, when telling you, we are a lot of ppl, and despite our individual suffering I don't want to diminish.... but, you are not alone, we are many I guess, um thus, let's all don't Lose hope to get our common issue get off the ground, things r already have been startet... bless you and don't forget to take care of yourself... ❤❤
My biggest “Oh shit” moment was around 30-60 days out. I realized things weren’t going back the way they came. I still believed, until 4.5mths off, that I could wake up better the next day. That disappointment almost killed me. Especially while flying out of bed, with my head pulled back in dystonia, while also having air hunger. I’d be gagging with horrid gastritis.
I’d also be greeted with my horrific, newfound tinnitus that I knew was quasi permanent. I credit having to accept the tinnitus as saving my life. I was so distracted by it, I didn’t even notice the scary, tardive neurological stuff erupting.
Eventually, though, I did have anothet “Oh shit” moment. I was grocery shopping and thought that I was “walking taller” and had better posture since coming off medications. By the time I got to the back of the store, I realized I was having trouble walking and was like “Oh shit”.
I remember 14mths off when I stopped counting in “months” and started counting in “years”. I remember when I realize my akathisia was chronic. I remember realizing my akathisia wasn’t just from the Klonopin and went back to when I was 19 yrs old when I got serotonin syndrome from Prozac. Then I realized that it went back to my childhood myoclonus and started with sickness and antibiotics and that I was likely a PANS/PANDAS case and it was WHY I went searching for relief and eventually tried the Prozac to begin with.
When I think about it, there have been a lot of “oh shit” moments. I remember when I realized that all medications are toxins and that your body would never “need” them and that taking care of your mental health should not involve medications if you can absolutely help it.
I ask this alot do you think stem cell treatment would help
So many of those moments!
Kevin Kelly, Thank you for sharing your oh shit moments. Me too - lots of oh shit moments - the worst maybe being how alone I have felt and also how terminal. So far, my favorite video of Dr. Witt-Doerring’s.
I hope you didn't get Tardive Dyskinesia - which is caused by doctors forcing you to take neurotoxic drugs {iatrogenic}!
How are you doing now?
They were drowning you in meds. It is possible to have a physician fire you. It is horrifying when you realize you’re alone. Also, I’m so glad that doing the film saved you. God bless medicating normal!
Forcing people to take neurotoxic drugs is 2nd Degree Assault!
Thank you. Angie is an inspiration.
What an amazing strong woman you are! Thank you both for this story of hope and healing!❤
You, Dr Wittdoering and Angie are my two "Internet angels" that are helping me keep going through BIND with lots of hope, courage and faith! I am so greatful to both of you ❤️ your videos are really God sent. I guess many others are or will benefit as well! Many blessings
I've been going through a rough spell. I took 20mg of Celexa for 25 yrs. I came off of it. I gradually reduced from 20 to 10. After not seeing or having any problems I more quickly went from10 to zero. I now know that is may be what caused a problem. The last dose or least amount is the most important to gradually reduce. I also had a few depressing factors that complicated my life. I think the worst part is the protracted withdrawal from Celexa. I think I'm beginning to feel a little better. After this video, I'm more prepared to suffer through this difficult period to reach a better me.
Thank you, Angie, for helping me by answering some questions after viewing Medicating Normal! I have never forgotten you & I’m always grateful for your comforting words! 🙏🏼♥️ YOU LOOK GREAT! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
This lady is such an inspiration for those undergoing the same or any suffering in general. These experiences shape us as humans.
I hope she’s proud of herself 💛
Ang has an incredible story. I feel for her. ❤
Wonderful interview. Two of the best. 👍. Josef you’ve appeared out of nowhere and you’re on fire! Excellent interviews. Thank you both so much. ♥️♥️♥️
The man is a shill. He's here to mislead us per the usual standard. Humans under the influence of corporate blood-money
and the programming of higher education behave in a manner that can only be described as insane and self destructive.
To quote another patient: " Thank you for exposing these Medical Criminals. The Damage they do is Unfathomable." So very true.
Thank you so much!!
The truth must be told!
Praying for you….
You, Angie, still have all of us. We all have, along with you, lost so very much. I guess we have to grieve, to process it. Somehow. And love ourselves which is what we were robbed of. Ourselves.
We love Angie. Thanks so much for you both. ❤
Angie literally helped save my sanity! She popped up on my feed when I was desperate. I didn't have a clue what was wrong with me , somehow I listened to one of her podcasts and gained insight. I have listened to almost all her video's to date. She put a name to my insidious suffering and continues to educate so well. I hear her put into words what I have been through and continue to struggle with. Mostly I gained HOPE. Thank you beautiful soul Angie.
Great interview, Angie explains it very well. For insomnia, sleep when you can, even if you are sleeping during the day. You can fix circadian when you are stronger.
I agree. It still feels hideous though. Radical acceptance ( this is real , and I accept I will need to take it as it comes, sleep whenever I can) It is getting better . 15 months out.❤
Sounds like she had Sensory Overload! Horrible to experience ant of these symptoms, never mind so many! She has great resolve! 🙌🏼. Thank you, Angie, for answering my questions after Medicating Normal! I never forgot your messages of hope to us all! Much gratitude, love & respect to you! (My first comment of gratitude was deleted.) ♥️🙌🏼
Medicating Normal is yet a great way to institute financialization!
Great interview Angie and Dr Witt-Doerringer 🙏🌹
@Dr. Josef & Angie Peacock, during my micro liquid taper of a B. after 20 years, per my Primary Care Physician (PCP), I learned from others, taking a tiny bit of a medical CBD gummy bear, was helpful in relieving that horrible insomnia! I did not take it every night, nor did I find it addictive, just very helpful! I was able to sleep about 5 hrs a night with just a small bite! After months, then it flipped to not being able to do much else, but sleep! {Like Laura Delano’s grandparents said about her being a fixture on their couch!} It was like the body forcing me to sleep! If there had been an emergency at that time, I don’t think I would’ve moved off that couch! (Extreme adrenal fatigue/exhaustion??) I am older & started withdrawal in my early 50’s! Hoping for affordable housing to be able to finish...half way off this last B. All the Best to All on this Journey. ♥️🌹🌿 And i hope this is helpful to Dr. Josef & Angie & others. Much is trial & error.
You are far from alone, Angie. The losses are incalculable.
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This channel is a gold mine. I have been binging these interviews nonstop. Thank you for everything you’re doing, Dr. Josef!
I has SEVERE insomnia for almost 2.5 years straight.. many many days in a row of ZERO sleep...then maybe a night of 1 or 2 hours of TERROR filled TOXIC sleep then days and days in a row of ZERO..... I got my cortisol level tested and it was twice as high in the middle of the night that the average persons level is in the morning.... when a normal persons cortisol level is at it's highest. My cortisol chart was basically a straight line at the very top of the chart for the entire 24 hour period. But I am COMPLETELY healed now at about 5 years later.
So happy for you and your healing! It’s so hard!
So happy to hear of your recovery. Thank you for sharing this. Makes me hopeful.
@@AngiePeacockMSW what a awsome interview ,,,great job
How did you survive, my I ask Was there anything to help bring down tge cortisol
@@garysimone4977 I survived second by second...it was VERY tough. Because while having sever insomnia...I had dozens of other physical and mental symptoms. The only thing that helped was T I M E....lots of T I M E for my brain and CNS to heal.
Angie peacock is a warrioress gosh
Angie, let's be honest. Even if we didn't lose everything else, what is central is, that we lost who we were(are). How anyone isn't full of rage over that, I will never understand. And we know who to blame. They all knew what we would endure, because this has been going on for about 65 years!!!
Rage. Lost myself, worst thing ever. What are things worth if you don't have yourself and live without your personality, inhumane.
THEY ALL KNOW. THEY HAVE KNOWN ALL ABOUT THIS ENORMOUS IMMENSE SUFFERING FOR ABOUT 50-60+ YEARS. THAT IS A PROVEN FACT. DON'T EVER THINK THEY "DIDN'T KNOW."
To quote Dr. Peter Breggin: " The most dangerous thing you can do in the Western World is go to a psychiatrist." Literally true. More than true! The only thing I would add to that is that I wish I had listened to Tom Cruise the first time he warned us of this.
Family Psychologist John Roseman wrote in his column - "Allowing your child to be sent for a Psychiatric Evaluation is the worst thing you can do!" Under the Baker Act in FL, parents need not be informed - according to the CCHR FL!
Scientology is even worse
God work Angie 💜
Such a cop out 😮 blame the patients not the meds
Thank you both for this great interview. Angie does a really good job of explaining how the drug/diagnoses cascade happens and how spellbinding prevents us from recognizing it.
There are so many mental health "treatment" stories out there. Mine includes around 50 psych drugs, ECT, and Vagal Nerve stimulator implant. My brain is fried, and I've seen no evidence of it recovering.
Appreciate the work Angie is doing👏
You are not alone , you are not alone. The anger just hurts soo much, and it took me years to come to terms that the MH system is broke.
What is MH system?
Horrible! Thank you for this interview.
Akathesia is what i went through for so many years. Its been 30 years since being on those drugs. My brain is finnaly healing . Im grateful i have a caring shrink and councellor.
you only heal after 30 years, how long have you been using?
No please correct your comment. How mean 100 years.
How long akathisia last? It's extreme terror 😟
Im 64 years old now and I believe it was those psychiatric drugs that hurt me, I’m still recovering from those things, just to clarify what I said earlier. I’m no drug addict but all of those 12 steps and 12 tratraditiosns of all those programs helped me heal . I just replaced the word alcohol with psych drugs in the Big book from AA and used all the nice people in all the open meetings I attended .
So if we don’t actually heal all the way, then I guess all the people who say permanent damage are right. Even if we are back to functional, happy lives if we are still experiencing symptoms caused by the drugs, I’d have to agree that is permanent damage from the medication. I have several things that I struggle with despite being functional and doing well. But I didn’t have them prior to the benzo.
I don’t believe my healing is over yet. I’m still in the process. I was prescribed over 40 meds in a 13 year period with 18 drugs at the same time at the height of it. My healing pattern and timeframe is not going to be everyone else’s. I know I am an extreme case. As far as I’m concerned, this is the best I’ve ever felt in 20 years (on or off meds) so anything residual means little to me. Please know that most people heal most of the way, LONG before my timeframe and they go on to live happy, meaningful lives.
Do you think the severity of your symptoms was due to cold turkey of your meds?
@@eleecesanders7342 yes and kindling.
18 meds. is insane. My husband was a Vietnam vet. , the VA did the SAME thing to him. I watched him spiral downhill from his first visit. We had no idea this treatment was inappropriate. Just like Angie.😢
It's just insane that the typical treatment model includes throwing many drugs at the wall and just seeing what sticks.
Tiergarten 4, from 1930s Germany - didn't bother to stay with drugs, since they gave out lethal injections {while they continued to bill the families for months}. Since 3/23, Canada has been giving these injections to those who have a DSM label - via their MAID Act!
Im so glad she addressed the "loop". You have one thought, I'm going to die, go crazy, kill myself and it repeats about every 4-5 seconds. I don't know I survived Akathesia, death would have been a welcomed relief.
How long it last Hun?
I thank all the 12 step recovery friends that showed me that I am allowed to make choices for my own life. God bless the 12 steps of all the revovery programs. Those rooms of recovery was a stepping stone to GOD and Jesus for me!
I can physically feel my brain twitching.
Yes, same here. But it IS getting better ❤.
Ιt's so tough to function with these non stop obsessions, even 3 years off cipralex, my pre meds ocd is almost intolerable now.
It’s amazing she could read at all! I couldn’t read a small book for 8 months! (But I am twice her age & had been taking a B. for all of 20 years when I started my taper, per my doctor. I’m relating to her as she’s listing all the side effects thinking to myself, “Yep! Yep! Yep...” ad infinitum! {SURVIVAL IS THE PRIORITY!} I had no idea about the diaphragm pain! Is it common to throw up with that?? Grateful not to have it now!
So I am 27 days out and I am desperate for assistance from Australia, no one will listen and I had to diagnose myself. Our stories are similar, how do we get assistance?
Generally the only help out there are free online support groups, coaches in this space, or doctors such as Dr, Josef Witt-Doerring. Most of us do not get support, in real life, in our hometowns.
@@AngiePeacockMSW thank you for replying. I’m sure you hear this all the time but this is unbearable.
Baby steps each day. You'll get through to the other side in time. In the meantime, keep as active as possible, take walks, look for the good everywhere, keep plugging along in the midst of the constant suffering. There will be a shift eventually. @@katiegilmour1435
Best not to use a DSM label on yourself!
Praying For You and your country. God will heal all.
So very GOOD!!!!!!!!♥️
So love Both of you!!!!!!!!!😊
This is common practice for inpatients at Island Health Royal Jubilee Hospital Mental Health Services in Victoria BC. Overprescribing, polypharmacy, prescribing cascades are far too common in psychiatry. Zero trauma informed care and slapstick treatment of symptoms and drugs to treat side effects of the pseudoscientific drug cocktails.
They have an extra drug - for Tardive Dyskinesia, which is iatrogenic!
Could you please have Baylissa on also? Just an idea. 😊
Hello Guys 😢😢😢,i am doing a withdrawal from 2 mg of clonazepam and many antidepressants,it's really night mare ,i cant think ,i cant talk ,i dont want to see people ,just hope it will stop ,i am ready to fight ,but people stay away from those benzos ,i was in a clinic for two months,people on fentanyl are going ok after ten -fifteen days ,they are fully recovered,but i am keeping the bed....God Bless All of us
Sorry for my bad expression hope you guys are getting well soon
BIG HUG !!
Abused by the military industrial (and political) complex,
and then abused by the medical industrial (and political) complex when back home.
So many terrible stories.
What do they want, to be happy after going to war and see partners die?
They just want to obscenely profit from war and from drugs that not only don't work, but damage persons.
Best wishes.
Very much also a Financial Cartel complex!
OMG I've just had the same lightning bolt moment. I'm 3 months off benzo's now after 26 years. I don't have GAD MDD or BPD2 !!!! I don't have any of these things. I lost my marriage, my ability to work and the worst thing, my health.
This is so wrong 🙈
First drug to start this was XANAX !! 🙈
Sad. Same. Lost boyfriend and job, apartment. After SSRI severe WD. Had a good life before.
How do I get a hold of you Angie I need help
th-cam.com/channels/eF7Z4_K9_GJ7V27uNYu7hA.html
What can you do for the air hunger anything?
Please tell me where YOU ARE LOCATED &
& Angie?
Mental health is the development of a mental + emotional dedication - a cathexis!
No matter what she took, she was healthy again after a year.
Actually , it's taken Angie much longer than that. Not sure how you thought that statement is true?
what was the documentary name she was Into? I'm curious.
Medicating normal
Hey Angie did you have any nasty/ somewhat prolonged setbacks after sustained periods of feeling better?
Wow cymbalta just stopped for me, just stopped working, sad cause it helped me.
It's sad BigPharma can play with people's minds...its like benzo holocaust. I lost my life too...😢😢😢😢😢
Been on meds for 30 or more years need help they do not help me my np phyc dismisses my withdrawals n says I need them.
Out of my mind recent is the lamictal been month n half insomnia severe headache upper body pain still on 4 other meds rage anger ect depression I could go on been to so many phyc of the years n every meds know also ect n I just cried all the way home sucidal.
What are the homocidal thoughts and can you describe it ? Inquisitive.
My personal experience of homicidal thoughts went like this: I had been in protracted withdrawal, with a sensitized nervous system for about 2 years. But at that time I didn't know I was suffering from drug damage, my doctor was thinking it was just my anxiety and depression coming back, so he wrote me a prescription for Prozac. I had previously been on Lexapro. I was hesitant to take the Prozac because when I had previously tried to reinstate Lexapro a month earlier, I had become suicidal. So I took a half dose of the Prozac, within days I was experiencing feelings of rage towards my family, and having violent thoughts towards them, I was imagining awful, graphic ways of killing them, these thoughts just came into my mind out of nowhere. I was horrified because I'm normally a kind, and gentle person. Luckily I realized it was the drug causing this issue and immediately stopped taking it, the homicidal thoughts stopped. I never went back to my doctor and after that, completely stayed away from all psychiatric drugs. I've recovered slowly over the course of about 10 years.
What about gong to a nutricionist to do a especial diet, like Keto diet to help the taper symptoms?
Keto for mental health
None of us deserved this, of course, Angie. Least of all you..
How in the world did she get off this medication.
I’m still suffering from chronic insomnia, and left sided back pain from neck to hip 5 years benzo free.
Benzo’s are the devil!
That’s fucked that older people suffer
Can hypochondria be a symptom?
Absolutely !!!
Can Dopamine agonist cause protracted withdrawal. Because i was on low dose Cabergoline and came off of it and had a lot of these symptoms. I had suicidal thoughts, severe anxiety out of nowhere. I read about Dopamine Agonist Withdrawal Syndrome (DAWS) and read some people's withdrawal symptoms are so bad they have no choice but to go back on so i went back on and got 60-70% better but still having some symptoms i didnt have before.
The two therapeutic targets that offer hope are the digestive tract and sleep.
With regard to the former, psyllium husk as a source of fiber coupled with dosages
of magnesium sulfate and magnesium oxide as laxatives help to cleans the G.I.
so as to guard against digestive putrefication and constipation/impaction.
With regard to sleep then, a quick round of aerobic exercise followed by
a dose of Ramelteon and Seroquel with a periodicity between 2 to 5 days
then provides relief by way of sleep. This is a highly simplified version of
the regime that has helped to save my life, but it does offer the sound
basis by which to prevent the outcomes intended by our cotrollerrs
which is death via the criminal justice system and disease. Operationally
speaking the cultural origins of control map back into deep antiquity with
the latest renditions clearly emergent from the dual versions of Operation
Paperclip that witnessed the division of Nazi Germany's scientific and
foreign policy elites split between the United States as "leader of the free
world" or 1st world and the Soviet Union as the 2nd world. The inability and
unwillingness of human populations to come to terms with this history
is indicative of the cogntiive failure likewise observed in the interview above.
There is little cause for hope, so we must do our best within the limitations
of our respective, individual abilities.
Follow me as I am documenting my withdrawal. I’m a nurse, and have witnessed personally harm and death from opioids. It ties into the medical gaslighting and harm that physicians do. My next update will be posted in four days.
Sorry u went thru that! Ctd off Klonopin..n My ears nose n ears feel like they're on fire n acid. Severe aka dp/dr ears feel like being drilled into... Vibrating causes severe pain in chest ribs upper back. Tremors. Muscle jerkd. SEVERE air hunger. Extreme terror . Feel like suffocating eberyday 😟Cant take it anymore!!
“I saw you from a foreign window
Bearing down the suffering road
You were carrying your burden
To the palace of the Lord…”
“Foreign Window” by Van Morrison
People die for lack of poetry.
Can you take melatonin to sleep? Thank you ♥️
I do
Benzos have saved my life twice, informed consent is key.
The pacing is HORRIBLE!!!! God help everyone who experiences aka. And the mental aka.
It is horrible , but people heal from this ! ❤
Is there anything natural to help a mother 84, withdrawal 2 years from 7 psy meds who now has aggressive dementia?
Over the last 18 years she would swing up and down, no authentic laughter or crying, paranoia, catatonic, had-hallucinations.
Never should have been put on any. Counseling for trauma and grief should have been done.
She loves and knows the Lord Jesus, but has become withdrawn.
I heard that spiritual death is a side effect.
She has had tingling, lost appetite and now won’t brush her teeth(last 7 Mo.’s) and barely allows caregivers to shower her.
Omg at her age, this is torture, it is for everyone, but why pull her off those meds?
I will pray for your mom ✝️
I'm so scared. I need help! I'm completely off benzos but am taking gabapentin, 150 mgs per day. Should I quit taking it?
You could(! - I'm not a medical professional) taper it down to 135mg and see how you feel, and move accordingly from there. The quitting process isn't done over night, anyway, if you decide to do so.
Best to not throw neurotoxic drugs down the toilet, since Sewage Treatment Plants fail to remove the poison - and then all the fish flounder around. This was covered in the Buffalo News!
Be careful with gabapentin. Do you know why you’re taking it?
One drug for me. I did fantastically well for 20yrs on Effexor xr. Sung it’s praises to everyone.
Then I got sick. Spent 18months testing for all sorts and all came back fine. Eventually Effexor was the only thing left to look at. Boy was that scary, until I did enough research to realise I don’t need it like a diabetic needs insulin (as we are generally lead to believe).
Imho favourable drug reactions are not an indicator of a continual favourable drug reaction.
It’s only a matter of how much time until injury becomes obvious. It’s insidious and so much of the build up is tiny silly ignorable stuff and usually put down to other things and needlessly wrongly medicated.
Half way through my 5th year tapering. Hoping to be off within the year. Neurotoxic brain injury and all it’s daily variables leave me unable to function consistently well enough to participate fully in my own life, never mind work for a living.
Yes, and symptoms change day to day sometimes. However, suffering can /does get better. It takes serious TIME to heal❤❤❤. At least that's my experience.
Yes skeleton I look like my ribs hurt severe. No buttocks either! Skin and bones Geraldine burns once said and true for me . I’m on venlafaxine auro xl
How is she alive after 18 meds? I mean what that has to do to the brain has to be crazy
Relax Max and L-theanine have been recommended
You mean rib pains and bone pains? Yes
Over a trillion spent on rehabs, AA and other programs with only a 10% success rate. What a waste of money! Goes up to 50% after 6 rehab stays! Crazy. Grifters?
15 yrs ago after meds made me worse:1)his office mate P-doc is (deliberately?) seen moving like sedated robot 2) the “we’re still in the dark ages” speech 3) Stigma campaign$ to offset lucrative dark age medication.
Im surprised they titrated so quickly, wouldnt someone have consideed the possibility of seizures? Jesus, i had seizure after seizure before some kind soul gave me a few weeks worth of librium to help out.
"Oh I had that but much much worse"- angie peacock. The ultimate bs'er
Chronic akathisia ? Not like snoops😢
It really messes with your GOD given abiity to TRUST anyone.
I heard this guy she is talking to is being paid to do harm to people on benzos
Today's qualified mental health professionals (QMHPs) seldom use 'formal assessment instruments' for diagnosis. Instead, they do 'informal assessment based on an interview, gathering current presentation; historical medical info to include treatment history and past meds; genetic, social, and familial influences. Most formal assessment instruments are proprietary to psychologists, and most often used in federally funded facilities where psychologists are most often found, i.e. the V.A.. In reality, formal and informal assessments are both 'soft science' approaches. As a result, diagnoses among are often 'all over the place', whether formal or informal. Meds are per diagnosis, so multiple diagnoses, and multiple meds are often the case. Glad to hear Angie has been able to negotiate the QMHP fiasco, and get off the meds, most she likely did not need in the first place. OTOH, proper diagnosis and assiciated meds are often a Godsend to those with legit needs, i.e. schizophrenia, BPD, and some other severe, persistent mental illnesses.
All of those mental diagnoses can be attributed to one problem: toxic heavy metals. It's nearly impossible to avoid metals today with all the toxic crap we are surrounded with, but then anything manufactured by a pharmaceutical company contains metals that create these so-called "mental illnesses" which are not identifying a "chemical imbalance" at all, but rather that a person has been exposed to too much mercury or aluminum or any number of metals. It's too bad that more people aren't aware of this. Once you try removing metals and get the relief, you start to make sense of it.
Mental diagnoses are due to Psychiatrists, who are lock step with pessimistic Freudian ideology. They need many sad people to become cash cows!@@ATeitter