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Sorry for all the comments....but here is another ... No matter what warning is on the label ... people just have ZBSOLUTELY NO IDEA of how bad the symptoms ACTUALLY ARE. They just think it is a little withdrawal ...maybe they feel bad for a day or 2 and it's over.... The just ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO IDEA.... ZERO IDEAL OF THE NONSTOP HELL they can cause.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 truth!
It is bigger than most !
3 failed 60 day rehabs.
Successful taper with Ashton Method where I had full control of taper.
the proof is in the pudding...
I had a 3 month taper from an antidepressant and went through protracted withdrawals and am still having symptoms. 3 plus years now. My nervous system is still messed up and I can’t deal with stress or over stimulation. I haven’t been able to work either. I still have hope as the suffering isn’t constant anymore. The windows give me a breather to get me through the next wave. Wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. I’ve also recently saved someone from going on the same drug from my story. Saving that one person gives me hope to end the suffering of others.
Don't go to a rehab for psych drugs, i did this and it made me infinitely worse.
So sad to hear of this.
Same. Permanent brain damage 22 years later. Akathisia, dpdr, agoraphobia, depression
Rehab/Detox 4 psych meds? What an oxymoron. All they'll do is give u more psych meds & categorize 'em as something else (other than what they r; similar 2 putting lipstick on a mallard duck & call it a swan).
Yeah, great points. I wish medical professionals, regulators (yeah right) and researchers paid attention to online forums and outlets like this... they'd get so much insight into what's going on and what to do and what not to do.
Unfortunately, they're all conditioned to view these sources as attractors and purveyors of mass delusion and psycho-somatic/hypochondriasis. It will have that element in and amongst it but more than not there will be useful signal. There's always noise, off target signal, and signal with any matter of investigation... you'll get the most signal from this channel and online communities of sufferers, much more than from conventional medical opinion which is almost always behind and/or interfered with by self-interested parties trying to hold off on a reckoning or on stoppage of their gravy train.
There are so many more lessons of recent and not too distant history in medicine and related fields that show how badly things have been handled before, but it's like these things are often memory holed, or people never learn it. Each generation then thinks that that stuff was behind them, things are so much more sophisticated and well ordered now.
About it getting infintely worse, do you think something like half of the damage is actually inflicted by dropping the drug so quickly?
Like maybe that creates such neurological stress that that's when a lot of the damage is done.
I went through this in 1997 in Hazeldon. Traumatic memory still continues.
Unbelievable what this poor woman had gone through. I hate how mis informed so many doctors are. Seroquel cause extreme dependence and is very hard to taper off. That doesn’t solve anything
As an alcoholic. AA exists because a bunch of screw ups couldn't stop drinking got together to stop. I do AA and I am telling you don't want that label unless you already have to.
It’s absolutely true they told me any symptoms I had after 1 week was my prior condition. Unfortunately cold turkey does permanent damage. I’m 22 years off and have improved but it’s still unbearable. I think the benzo community needs to drop the mantra that everyone heals because many many many don’t and we’re only doing a disfavor to people who are continuing to get prescribed and will continue to get permanent damage and live an unbearable life. This isn’t temporary for some and people need to know it can cause permanent damage not just a long temporary withdrawal syndrome. Permanent neurological dysfunction.
Same brother i am damaged by cold turkey i see no way out except death
@@aashish551how are you now
Don’t you think you might have other disorder and didnt notice it coz the benzo was masking it
How are you
Can’t you reinstate back on the medication if it’s that bad
Nicole, I have so much appreciation for you, all you're doing, like this interview, to help others. The first time I saw one of your vids a few years ago (when I got curious about how Prince died, when I thought he didn't drink, didn't do drugs, wasn't a partier, etc.), I had so much appreciation for what you were sharing (about Lisa Ling's dad's challenges, and Jordan P's, too). I didn't know that you, too, had a benzo horror story experience lasting years.
This is what happened to me as well. My doctor convinced me to get off of a prescription drug that I had been on for 15 years cold turkey. On the third day I went into horrific withdrawals and suffered for two months trying to get help and finally went into a detox facility where they promised that they would help me . They did not. They treated me like I was an addict and I was suffering. I finally went ahead and agreed to get on gabapentin not knowing how bad of a drug that is as well when you try to get of it. It is now been a little over a year and I am trying to do my own research on how to get off of this drug now. I have found people saying that taking certain supplements will help rebuild the "gap" in the brain and central nervous system to minimize withdrawals . I'm not sure how long I'm going to wait before trying this though. I really wish that all these doctors that are discovering the harm that these drugs cause would get together and come up with better ways for us to get off of these drugs like maybe create their own Detox Center for just people trying to get off of prescription medication's.
Happened to me terrifying
Thank you for asking Nicole about a day in her life.
I’m 3 years off a poly pharmacy injury. I’m still pacing 24/7 w/significant BIND symptoms like chronic akathisia, dystonia, TD and severe tinnitus and I’m looking for hope. I still liter the reddit benzo threads with Nicole’s piece for BIC on “Why benzodiazepine patients should not go to detox”.
The two of you (along with Christy Huff, Jill Nickens, JC Marie and a few others) have become some of my biggest heroes. In the meantime, I do some family outreach work for the Akathisia Alliance (when symptoms permit). My hope is that I can save people from some of the inappropriate treatment at home. Thank you again for what you do.
Hang in there, Kevin. I was so, so wretchedly ill at 3 years. I'm so sorry for your suffering.
@@nicolelambic how are you now?
@@swaggerstoooopid7260 still have significant, disabling symptoms, but I am improved from acute years
Thank you for all your good work 🙏
Please, please, please, can I contact you?@@nicolelambic
I think eating a keto or carnivore diet improves my mental health tremendously. I'm on month 10 of xanax withdrawal and most all of my symptoms are physical.
That's great, Michael! It helped me as well - I stopped biting my nails for the first time in my life on keto. I wish it helped more with my withdrawal, but it did help w/ some things (GI symptoms, that kind of thing).
I liked Xanax when I got it, but I could always lie about get clonzopine type when I wanted from a doctor. Xanax is a hard one. Take care brother.
Serious question. What reform can we do? This has to end.
We have to get doctors to listen from a different perspective that it financially just as lucrative or zero chance. I think involving the drug companies needs a piece of the solution... again financially. I wish the solution didn't come with a price tag, but at this point in reality, it must.
let me just add .. I very slowly tapered Ativan after very short term use... (a few weeks) and had over 3 years of nonstop hell on earth symptoms...However I personally know 7 other people that were taking various benzos every day from between 1 and over 20 years ... every single one of them quit cold turkey... and only 1 girl said she felt a little funny for about a week. So there is just no explanation as to why some people suffer for years and some have absolutely nothing. THAT is why there is such a problem... not everyone has a problem.
Same I was also cold turkeyed in a rehab in Texas 22 years ago. I am still disabled and have hardly recovered. Some of us will have to learn to live with these symptoms or take matters into our own hands
That’s the strangest part to me. I know so many people that take them and know zero that have had issues. The worst I’ve heard is a month of symptoms. Not the 22 years of hell I’ve had
No, not everyone has a problem stopping, but you cannot predict who will be who. Therefore, everyone should reduce slowly at least to see how the withdrawal will go. Just blindly ripping people off means a % of people will suffer horrifically, and maybe even go on to be protracted. There's also the complication of 'delayed withdrawal' where some people reduce quickly and think they are in the clear bc they have no withdrawal symptoms, only to have them hit weeks or months later.
@@nicolelambic Correct!
@@nicolelambicindeed, I knew I was sensitive and never wanted this. I am so upset I got given this and rushed on this against my specific ask.
You are a light! I had a similar experience that you did.I went off 7.5mg 5x a day for 30 years in 5 weeks in rehab. My brain crashed. I could not see for a while, lost the ability to walk(I fell and broke my leg in rehab),lost the ability to urinate without self-catheterization for months, and could not read, write, or drive for 3 months. I spent 2 years in bed,out on a limited basis for 21/2 years now.Suffered a radical brain injury. Unendurable muscle and nerve pain for years now. CRUSHING fatigue always. Impaired brain function. 5 years out, I am still greatly impaired. Rehabs are woefully uneducated about the effects of benzo withdrawal. They are very dangerous because of this. I am very lucky to be alive.
So very sorry.
Wishing you continued healing🙏
Great discussion... 100% spot on. Thank you very much Dr. Witt-Doerring for addressing these issues.
These drugs finished my life my body my mind my career and my young family. I am so dam violent n paralysed and in frustration. I am trapped in my body..these r not drugs they should be called poision oops poison is also better atleast it kills u. This is inhumane.
I went through something similar to what this lady is describing. I took a different route after being admitted to rehab, but it was still traumatic. I checked myself out of rehab against medical advice (AMA). Unfortunately, the primary-care doctor who originally prescribed me high doses of benzos turned into my enemy when I approached him after leaving rehab. He told me he would give me a Valium taper if I gave him my entire supply of benzos, but it was a ridiculously short 6-day taper, with a ridiculously low starting dose. I begged him for more, and he refused very sternly, accusing me of waking him up in the middle of the night. At that point I was left without a doctor of any kind. I made an appointment with a psychiatrist, but he cancelled (the day before our first appointment) when he found out that I needed a benzo taper. It got worse from there. I won't say how it turned out, but I am doing better now. I am off of benzos at least, and I don't notice any benzo withdrawal symptoms, although I am taking three other things that cause physical dependence.
I went through 3 years of withdrawal after years on Prozac and Klonopin. It was hell, but worth it. I can think again.
This girl is awesome, I appreciate the questions she asks.
Sad that after such long time she is still in many ways disabled :(
I am too at 22 years off. It is permanent for some.
@@swaggerstoooopid7260how are you now
Thank you!! This is in my top 10 psych drug conversations.
I was on benzo s 13 years quit cold turkey. I am diagnosed with ms at just 39. This shows what this drugs can do. I cant even bear any medication.i am in mess of my life n i wonder if it will end .
100% agree. Wish this was talked about more. Ugh!
shame is the number one tool used by medical practitioner to distance himself from their own prescribed drugs
Thank you for sharing Nicole’s grace with us. The hope the video ended with is what a lot of us needed to hear.
I lived through this, also..I was bed bound and had dreadlocks
.I thought I was going to have to shave my head
Addictive behavior is very different from dependence
I went to a detox facility in the UK. UKAT. I got so much worse and it cost me all my savings. I am now tapering at home but my withdrawal side effects are so awful. There should be hospitals for people who were prescribed benzos. That said there were people in there who were tapered rapidly and they succeeded.
Thank you so much Dr. Joseph. I am finally in a place to wean off the Benzodiazepines. I will email you. Once again THANK YOU
Amen I what at that point I what my life back and I what me back.
I went to a rehab many years ago to get off pysch drugs ,saved my life though it was a living hell.If I could stop someone from going down that road I would . I had childhood neglect alot of abuse l started therapy with a therapist still work on these issues. Please try this first.
We share almost the exact story. I want to talk about mine but I do fear doctors.
If you are addicted legally or illegally, it has zero bearing on the fact that you need to be delivered to a spiritual experience to overcome the hell-realm of withdrawal. I advocate the use of 12-step recovery model for support in overcoming addiction OR dependance of any kind. We need to remove the stigma framework of 12-step programs as not to alienate ANY benzo victims, regardless of the etiology of the addiction or dependance. When we say this subset is not appropriate for 12 step we deprive them of enormously therapeutic tools and community that are applicable to their recovery.
I like the 12 steps, but the 12 steps are not for everyone.
You recommended ATMC Dr Witt Doerring for my daughter she is there now…now what?
We need to advocate for ourselves, in this context I mean if you get pulled off a drug that you know could cause long term damage if done too fast go south. By south I mean Mexico, get an emergency fill as you won’t be in any condition to travel in protracted withdrawal.
Sadly this is true. You fight back in the US but there are more normal countries where you are able to control your own life. I also wish she hadn’t yapped about “addiction”, Most of this is is physical dependence. Frankly, I think the way American doctors behave, they deserve to live right outside some of the worst and most miserable drug addiction and abuse right outside their door and know their refusal to to prescribe properly caused it
The big problem with rehabs in US is that they are only for people with lot of money on the bank. The ordinary people, and very much the poor ones got to take it cold turkey. There is something very broken in US...
That's me, good friend went to treatment at a resort. I did my rehab on a couch with nothing.
28:50 all of this!!
29:25 holy crap
Been on between 40mgs and 60 mgs of valium for three years now just for sleep but it did help with my anxiety as well, need to come off and believe taper is the best way, was going to maybe consider rehab but after hearing this it doesn,t sound good, would you reccomend the taper doc?
Do very slow taper, and take supplements like magnesium glycine and NAC and natural GABA. Exercise and healthy diet is very important to deal with anxiety withdrawals.
Maybe also St John's Wort for depression, and If you have a friend who will be willing to give you massages.
God work 🙏🏽
Rubbish, not at all.
No one should attend a 12step rehab. Look at the “success “ rate. Only consistent with rehab results is repeat customers.
It’s sad I’m was Ativan for 10 years my doctors did a fast taper with me with me now I’m withdrawing.
Saw the movie “Memory.” Psych drugs? Made everything worse with me 15 yrs ago. 9 month insomnia. Saying that in itself might be considered “a sign of mental illness” & “RU ok” fake lingo that goes with it.
On psychiatric units, this is standard ways of scripting out meds to patients, currentky!
They are not taught these two differences!
You havr to fight to triyrate with doctors!..
I have been off benzos and still struggling with sleep and histamine issues. I had cted a year back. The other medicine seroquel which I had been on sleep stopped working too. Is apigenin safe to take during benzo withdrawals?
Nichole will be helping me with my taper.
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Wow. Drs take these meds too.
Clearly doctors are uninformed, how the hell can drs help you, or anyone ?
I love benzos. quit hating!
Good luck when you run out.
Dr josef why cant you get this before the US Senate the congress get it before the people tgat can stop this madness .