How Studying Liszt Transformed My Understanding of Music
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- A documentation and reflections on a research trip to Weimar, Germany, to study the history behind Franz Liszt -- which ended up transforming my understanding of music and music history altogether.
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As a hardcore Lisztomaniac, this video has made my night. I've been reading so many books about Liszt. The more I read, the more fascinated I am. Liszt is so complex he cannot be reduced to a few aspects: he is fractally complex, an extraordinary matrix of music and intellect. Génie oblige!
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I strongly disliked Liszt until I started studying his music seriously, I thought his music was a bunch of incoherent passages and strange harmonies without any musical content. This is mostly a result of a typical pianist's education that is founded upon the shoulders of Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven and Chopin. Liszt was trying to do something else purposefully. You need to understand the background behind his music, his role as a revolutionary in both pianism and composition. At some point I realised that he single-handedly changed the course of history in a positive way. You can still dislike his pieces but in a way that one can dislike any piece for that matter. The truth remains, Liszt was the first person to have treated the piano as a device that could created tone paintings and therefore express programmatic content. That is mostly his achievement in a nutshell.
Same,after i decided to listen to his liebestraum,i quickly fell in love with his piece
_Liszt was the first person to have treated the piano as a device that could created tone paintings and therefore express programmatic content. That is mostly his achievement in a nutshell._
No, Beethoven did both of these things as well
@@Vextrove I agree! Chopin's Nocturnes are a wealth of tone colours too! Like the famous Adagio from Beethoven's Sonata Pathétique, it's the artist who must mine the musical gold!
@@Vextrove No didn't. Look at Beethoven's symphonies, although they were written with a early romantic novelty, Beethoven's primary purpose was never to create color or tone with notes. Strictly, these are too formal. That's what classicism is all about. And compare it with Liszt's Symphonic poems. Liszt's goal is clearly to tell a story in a colour, an image, a poetic influences. For example, the keyword of the first symphonic poem is about the mountain. Selected tones are collected on a main subject such as the height of the mountain. According to sources, Liszt may have synesthesia. It means he could see colors like Scriabin in the notes.
no, Liszt's greatest achievements lie in the orchestra and orchestration, as musical father to the German late romantic (also impressionism)
Binging these videos, she's shown me how much better I can be and how to improve in ways I never thought possible
I really appreciate all the guys trying to speak as much English as possible, that's not always the case in Germany
Oh and greetings from Germany, love your videos, keep up the great work
Thank you!! Yes, everyone was so great to speak English like this I agree...
Thank you. We can appreciate your video much more in English. We feel so privileged.
My experience in Europe is that the natives will try to speak English if their guests are more comfortable with it. On the other hand, if your French/German/whatever is strong, they will speak to you in their native language.
If only it was the same when you travelled to other countries… ;) Although, it would be so weird for me, from tiny Sweden, to meet people who talked swedish with me; I think I almost would insist on them talking english
Germans always trying to speak English. Can't stand it!!
Nahre - Do more stuff like this. Suddenly these dusty old composers have the youthful romanicism back, the heady continental nights, the smell of candles, roses and wine!
Check out Alan Walker , “new” & scholarly Chopin biography...scholarly & fantastic. Great writing style...a lot of info even about Liszt...
Since I discovered this channel just two months ago, it has become my favourite youtube channel - by far! Even motivated me to finally buy that new piano I had been dreaming about for so long, and start playing seriously again... I couldn't be happier!
So for that, from the bottom of my heart: thank you!
Thank you so much!!! 😊❤🙌
I think this channel has also been a big part of my arriving at the piano aged 46. Just starting to learn to read notation and doing rudimentary things. But it’s already transformed my understanding and enjoyment of music I was already in love with, as well as leading me to new things.
Thank you so much for this beautiful video❤️
Liszt holds a special place in my heart. He’s easily the most maligned, misunderstood, misrepresented composer of the 19th century. It angers me. I get very defensive and protective about him because I love him so much. People also seem to forget this is the same man who penned the Faust Symphony. His insane magnanimity towards other musicians nurtured entire generations of pedagogues, composers, performers, and conductors.
I encountered Liszt and all of his brilliance through the windows of others lives including George Sand, George Eliot, Chopin, and Emperor Joseph I. Liszt’s life was so full of wonder, excitement, and adventure! It’s impossible not to be captivated by his presence. I can feel it even now when I listen to his music or read his letters. The anecdotes are all the same: When he would appear he was like he was a fallen angel. He was a splash of color in their lives and when he left, every went back to being black and white. And boring.....Liszt was a lot of things but he certainly wasn’t boring or dull.
Here are the last two paragraphs from an essay I wrote about the Faust Symphony for school:
“In her musical play, Ordo virtutem, Hildegard of Bingen tells the story of Satan’s schism from holy song; Hildegard maintained that sacred psalms and canticles are humanity's closest connection to the divine. Akin to the fate of the giant Nimrod in Dante’s Divine Comedy (Canto 31 Nimrod has one indecipherable line “Raphèl mai amècche zabì almi") the devil is reduced to unintelligible screeches. This linguistic impairment underscores their estrangement from the providence of the sacred. From the outset, both figures are punished for coveting an avaricious existential yearning in which God strips both figures of language. Within a theological context, language and song was created by God to commune with the divine. Depriving creatures of language precludes them from obtaining salvation. Creation is reserved for the divine. Mephistopheles being an agent of negation can only resort to tricksterism, besieging Faust with a carnival of sinister parodies. Basking in this ontological nullification, Faust seeks redemption from the purity of Gretchen’s love. In a sense, Mephistopheles was correct in surmising that he was part of the darkness that preceded the birth of light, for within the darkness, Faust finds celestial atonement and transcends his suffering.
Goethe’s Faust fictionalizes historical characters and historicizes fictional characters, weaving them together until we can no longer tell which is which. Not unlike Faust, Liszt experienced transfigurative suffering. Consequently, Liszt cultivated a profound desire for the divine and the sacred yet was bound by earthly temptations. Like a moth circling a flame, beckoning the light, but trepidatious of being devoured by fire. These metaphysical dichotomies abound throughout his life as he endured inconsolable despairing episodes reminiscent of the biblical story of Job, losing his children and other loved ones, his marriage, his post at Weimar, as well as other colleagues. Liszt endured scathing criticism as a composer during his life but persevered with the faith that his compositions would be appreciated posthumously. His faith was not misplaced.”
That was beautiful. Thank you for sharing that paragraph from your essay!
He could not have been more eloquently stated.
I'm learning his Grosses Konzertsolo s.176 and like all long scale Liszt pieces it's an epic adventure.
I previously learned the more popular Valley of Obermann, also a great piece.
On a side to comment on your note; you know he either transcribed all of them or orchestrated afterwards all of his major symphonic works for 2 pianos 4 hands and 1 piano 4 hands, including the Faust symphony? I don't think there's recording of all of them on TH-cam yet but you can still buy them on Amazon.
When heard on piano, the symphonic poems, the Faust and Dante symphony all sound incredibly exciting and virtuosic.
Kalen1457 Yes absolutely. Liszt has a lot of hidden gems within his oeuvre. The neglect of his best pieces is inexplicable, especially considering the harmonic impact he had on Wagner’s opera. Listen to Nyiregyhazi’s performance of the Faust symphony for solo piano. It’s out of this world.
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What a beautiful video, I'm a big fan of Liszt and seeing such things like the piano he used to play it's a whole experience that words cannot express. Thank you Nahre!
Thank you!!! 🙏
My words exactly! I'm currently learning and studying Un Sospiro, so this couldn't come at a more perfect time
@@ZzSilentLegendzZ Ohh that's amazing, I looovee that piece. I'm a violinist so there isn't much Liszt for me hahahah
@@guadadacruz6267 Same here. Huge admirer of Liszt, and seeing the piano he used to play, the room he was in, the upright piano, the stairs leading up to his room... it's something truly special that I can't express in words.
Also, since you're a violinist, have you heard of Liszt's Le Marin? It's a fantastic piece for violin and piano.
Thanks for sharing your journey! It made me think about a somewhat similar trip I made in my youth to Saltzburg, to Mozart’s home museum. I set off the alarm by touching his hammer piano 🙈
😱at least you touched😝
cuckooo!!!!!!
I am a simple man. When I see liszt I click.
Me too. Liszt is my favorite composer EVER
Me too
Same
Lisztomania really be spreading.
@Mathews196 Liszt 😍
I really liked Liszt for his flashy virtuosic yet musical pieces, and very detailed transcriptions, but it's mind blowing to hear the story behind it
I recently turned 12 and Nahre is such an inspiration for me as a student musician. I'm currently doing the RCM program (its a level ranking system thing) and am at ARCT. Although I'm pretty decent at playing, history, harmony, and music analysis, my understanding of music is still nothing compared to you. I absolutely love your videos, keep doing what you do and stay awesome
Thank you so much!! I hope your studies are going well. I'm rooting for you. Seriously, keep at it 😊🙌
@@NahreSol thank you ^^
ARCT at 12!! You go girl!! What age did you start playing?
@Me, Also Me no one should quit music! You shouldn't play for skill, and instead, for your own enjoyment :D
@@rebeccafossmusic I started at 6, stopped playing for 2 years, and picked it back up at 8
The part where you played the very piano Liszt sat at really has sent shivers down my spine! Thank you for highlighting once again how much the context matters when perceiving a piece of music (or any art, for that matter).
I listen to ABC Classic radio station in my car and sometimes at home and they often talk about the history of a piece or the composer. It really does give you a different appreciation of music. How were they feeling when they wrote it? Was the composer struggling? Who did they interact with? How were they regarded at the time?
Yes, exactly!! Thank you for sharing that !!
It's really like that for all other things, like science or politics. Although I reckon it's even more sentimental and personal since a music piece as a result from the surrounding context can actually say so much
@@jinjunliu2401 history is in everything !
I had the same experience of learning Math history. When I was a student, I thought there was a fixed Canon of Math which just happened. But to learn the many interactions of Mathemeticians over the ages and how the development of Math techniques were influenced by so many other historical events really changed my understanding of the subject. PS I have placed in my will that if you ever visit my house at some future date the occupants are supposed to let you play my piano too!
Wow!!! Haha amazing... Also so fascinating to hear the Math connection. Thank you for your comment 🙏
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Are you dead yet?
When that man allowed you to play the piano I was literally in awe
There's an indescribable pleasure on discovering the human side of music...
That long-haired guy’s little “also“s while trying to speak english is so heartwarming :)
for non german speakers, it's equivalent to the english filler word "well,..."
@PYXB3 Or Arabic people saying 'ya`ni'
@@anhthiensaigon nah, it's more like "so", of which it isn't even that far off :)
Having joined the Liszt Society, he is now on the liszt
Infinitely more important than your comment...
It's great that they Liszten.
Truly underrated comment
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So great how excited and passionate everyone here is about Liszt and his music. It really shines through.
Imagine a recording of Liszt performing one of his works was available today.
I don't know about Liszt, but I know there is a mechanical piano recording of Debussy playing Claire de Lune.
@@franzschubert9608 I wish there was one for his B minor sonata...but that's too much to ask.
There are recordings of Rachmaninoff playing, I recommend listening to them.
@@franzschubert9608 هل انت عربي من مصر تحديدا
I am warming up to Liszt because of how he mentored Alexander Borodin. Borodin took the occasion of escorting some of his students to Germany to make a special stop to visit Liszt, who apparently treated Borodin like a King.
I dont know music theory, i dont play piano. But Liszt is one of my favourites composers because he creates emotion in such a subtle way, he makes the piano disappear and the music becomes an environment and a story emerges.
Touching the piano once played by Franz Liszt is like toching God.
I'm glad Liszt gets the more widespread recognition for his ingenuity; truly a pioneer of the pianoforte, an avant-gardist, a master of the musical form and freeing it from its bounds and set rules. Truly a brilliant man, virtuoso and friar; ahead of its time, his innovations and genius deserves to be more known!
Before I started Learning Hungarian Rhapsody No.2 I was not a fan, now he is one of my favorite composers
Historically, I think there is a direct connection between Franz Schubert and Franz Liszt, and then from Franz Liszt to Béla Bartók. The latter two are of course especially fondly remembered (and virtually worshiped) in Hungary, and when traveling in Budapest three decades ago, even as a non-musician (but one who loves music) I could feel the presence of these wonderful composers.
Just as Jazz and Blues has a characteristically American Sound and influence that has its roots in Africa, many of those 19th century classical composers have a rhythm and sound that is undeniably 'Magyar' (or Hungarian) in origin. Since you are still young, Nahre, I am sure you will have many more opportunities to travel, and I think you would be amazed at the way Hungarians cherish these composers even today. - j q t -
The feeling when the only thing the teacher told us about him in music studies was that he was a contemporary of Chopin and a great showman who composed Hungarian rhapsody no. 2. This was the only thing I knew about him until recently. And I'm not alone...😢 Poor Ferenc.
I've been to Weimar and I absolutely loved it - so much culture in this little town and of course I went to Liszt's house which was so interesting and when I walked past the Franz Liszt Hochschule I heard great piano playing coming out of so many windows.
I’m surprised how moving this actually was. Seeing the manuscripts and other artifacts like that and getting to sit at one of his own pianos.. incredible. I can only imagine what it must have been like for you.
When a performer knows a lot about the context of the music he is performing, it brings depth and exudes confidence to the listener that this artist is authentic and that the music being played is worthy of his attention, regardless of its familiarity or lack there of in popular culture. A close-up view of the detail and detritus of the actual lives of the people who wrote the music we admire is inherently interesting and rewarding in ways a superficial overview will seldom be.
I appreciate your work and respect for Liszt. My love and regard for Liszt has been with me all my life. My 96 year old mother as a young girl studied piano with one of Liszt last students.
He was the most photographed figure of the 19th century and literally a virtuoso, composer, friar, philanthropist, scholar, teacher... and more. Highly recommend reading Alan Walker's biography about (imo) the most interesting figure in all of Western classical music.
Liszt got me into classical music and music history which is what I live and breath man. Couldn't appreciate him more and it always makes me happy when I see people realizing that he was so much more than an insanely difficult gimmick composer
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wow what an experience that must have been, thanks so much for sharing
No way what a beautiful moment getting invited to play the instrument. wow i have tears in my eyes... so precious thank you for sharing
As a physicist, I have found much the same value in studying the history of science and mathematics. I completely agree with what you said: you don't need it, but it brings so much more depth and appreciation when you understand the context of the refined products that remain today.
Nahre, this video is absolutely thrilling! Sharing your trip to Weimar was totally unexpected. I am a huge fan of Liszt, and have played his works throughout my long life, or at least attempted to. Seeing you in his rooms caused my heart to beat rapidly. I've been to locations where other composers lived and worked (Chopin, Mozart, etc.), but never Ferenc! I look forward to viewing many of your videos now. Very best wishes from Elliott in Manhattan!
This video has such passionate energy. I loved seeing everyone being so excited.
I could spend my whole day watching Nahre's videos. What a great entertainer and teacher she is!
I completely agree with Nahre Sol: music is enjoyable without knowledge but if we learn more about the composer, and the era that could give us a completely new horizon about the composition. And learning is fun also.
I didn't even see a second of the video and I already know it's going to be great
I love this video as a whole and I love you for making it! I think your contributions, editing, the content and guests you brought on were so marvelous. I'm so happy you made this.
This was great, thanks for making this Nahre!
Wow this is my favorite video that you’ve made so far! Incredible video!
You being invited to play on Franz Liszt's piano is one of the most amazing things I have ever seen. Thank you so much for sharing that incredible moment.
Also...That's totally a portrait of Beethoven at 15:14, right?
I just wanna say I love your content its been helping me out so much for this whole year so far. thank you for the brilliant videos keep up the great work
What a fantastic video. Thank you, Nahre.
Man I love you Nahre, your videos are so passionately put together!
Thank you Nahre ! You are an inspiration ♥️ Good job !
This was interesting, I enjoyed the history lesson and hearing you humbly play his instrument.
Appreciate your approach to history, musicology and culture. Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work. Enjoying your how to sound like series very much!
Fantastic Ep., Nahre. Thank you for doing this research and sharing with us!!
awesome video and happy to see you make such a unique experience
Your passion is infectious. Great video
Thank you for a very interesting video. Liszt was tremendously influential as a composer and pianist, but he was also a very generous, kind, and funny teacher, as we learn from Amy Fay’s Music Study in Germany. I think you would enjoy reading it.
What an amazing experience! Thank you so much for capturing it, editing it down to a captivating video and sharing with us!! ❤️👍
Can I just say thank you for all the videos that you make. I am always so intrigued by how composers compose their pieces. Your videos serve as a great inspiration for me.
Thank you so much for all the depth you bring to the appreciation of music! Absolutely LOVE your "how to sound like" series. And this adds a great personal touch to one of the greatest!
What a wonderful, insightful video! Thank you so much for sharing this.
Thank you Nahre for this fantastic documentary. It is very well made and your reflections are very valuable.
Great video. I do appreciate the work and care that went into it by all the people involved as a Liszt fan myself.
just thank for sharing this amazing video !
Great video Nahre, thank you for sharing!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about your wonderful journey ... your discourse was very well done. Always look for a chance to add a bit of sparkle to your compositions, musical or verbal. Also, good editing of all that hand held stuff.
Wow. Thank you so much for this video, it was really inspiring !!
What a wonderful experience! Thank you for this fantastic reportage. You are great!
So interesting, thanks for sharing your trip. Seeing an original score is always an emotional experience.
Thank you for showing your slice of experience with history. It was super engaging to hear and see through your eyes and the camera a little more about Liszt!
Had to put this on the flat screen. This video was such a treat! Thank you thank you thank you so much for sharing!
Now, THIS is a quality video. Very nice. 😊 thank you for it.
Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful experience!
Great video! Its great too see one of my favourite youtubers visits germany, and putting out such a informative and interesting video! Weimar for sure has been important for the cultural history like almost no other town. I would love too see more of these videos about other composers, too. :) Greetings from Germany!
Music history is sooooo valuable to composers and performers, thank you for making this video and showing everyone how important it is ♥️♥️♥️
Hi Nahre, Many thanks for sharing this beautiful musical crusade. And as you state in the end, this will surely reflect (even more) when playing his compositions from now on.
Love your videos and hope to see/ listen to you one day in the Netherlands 😉
Thank you Nahre...very inspiring experience you have shared with your viewers. I have nearly finished the 2nd Book from Professor Alan Walker, The Weimar Years. Have also enjoyed David Dubal early lecture from 1984 interviewing Alan Walker after publishing his first Bood, The Virtuoso Years. Also of interest if you Google Alan Walker lecture at the Library of Congress, to name one..there are others with David Dubal, director of the Juilliard School of Music. Liszt is so instrumental to the true development of music. Thank you again...felt like I was there again in Liszt house in Weimar. Rev. T. W.
This is amazing! More videos like these, please!
Congrats Nahre! In my humble opinion this is one of the very best videos you have made. Brilliant editing. I love it. Thank you. 👍🏼👏👏👏😊❤
Such a beautiful Experience.. thanks for sharing!
Thank you for sharing this amazing experience!!!😯
Candle arbors on the upright piano as I have often thought that when there was no electricity there was nothing much to do but practice and o they were so great.
Thank you Nahre for sharing you journey and insights. i really enjoyed this.
thank you.
What an awesome opportunity for someone like you who studies all genres to get a deeper understanding of your craft. Thank you for your passion.
Thank you for sharing this experience. Really cool and unique
This is just so fascinating, please upload more stuff like this if you get the chance to!
Thank you for sharing this. Very inspiring indeed.
Excellent video. Thank you so much for sharing this.
this is freaking awesome.
Thank you!! 🙏
You are SO great! And so human. Thank's for showing us all this!
Liszt is such a great composer and virtuoso pianist, His 2nd ballade, The sonata in B minor, Scherzo und marsch, The hungarian rhapsodies,Liebestraumes and the Transcendental etudes made me love his music automatically just by listening to them for the first time, If only we could have someone today like him.
What a wonderful mini documentary! It brought me back to my university years when studying Ethnomusicology and Music history. In current times of closed (or semi closed) borders when travelling is impossible (at least where I live), this doco is a fresh breeze of curiosity, an illuminated insight into music and history. I truly appreciate the spontaneous, almost impromptu approach of the video (of course I'm not saying it wasn't thoroughly edited in great detail). Well done, Nahre, for surrounding yourself with so many inspiring, knowledgeable and passionate people. You also received outstanding feedback in the comments! Congratulations, Nahre.
TH-cam recommended this to me. Even though I don't understand anything about any of these composers and this kind of music in general but seeing how happy you are about knowing more about their history makes me feel some things.
Your passion towards knowing more amazes me. It feels like I wish to be passionate like that towards the things I love.
GOD I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU TO DO A LISZT ANALYSIS THIS IS THE GREATEST DAY OF MY LIFE AAAHHH 💞😭🥺🥰
I greatly appreciate this documentary.
What a masterpiece content! Please do more of this!
So cool to see this just on the day when im feeling down about my progress thank you !!
I'm humbled, I'm fortunate. I thank you Nahre for sharing your experiences with us. Thank you...
Very fascinating video, thank you for taking us with you on your journey!
The part when you sat down at Liszt's piano had me on the edge of my seat. I could feel the tension in the room. An amazing experience, even just from watching you
Les Preludes will always be a favourite of mine as it was my first introduction to Liszt and classical music as a young kid. The Von Karajan Recording for EMI with the Philharmonia orch will forever be my favourite reading of that work.
I read a volume of Liszt's letters in sophomore year of conservatory. This vid brings me back to that feeling of headiness and inspiration, thank you Nahre!