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What I find interesting is the last place camera on the list was also used as the action camera on some of the MCU movies, like, "Captain Marvel" and while only and action B-Cam was still used along side the Alexa 65 and Red Weapon 8k. Sure the pocket 4k wasn't available when the production started, but still that 16th place cameras still holds it's own.
Man, i'd love for them to make another camera as versatile and convenient as the bmpcc4k. It's still a very new camera, but i'm sure there'll be something coming in the next couple years.
Nice video. BMPC 4K also had a global shutter. That's why it only had 12 stops of DR. Regardless we still use ours on almost every shoot. It's been incredibly reliable as well unlike the pocket and UMP cameras. As to the form factor for it and the original BMCC that you ranked at 14 (you used the BMPC 4K title card as the interstitial for this camera BTW) was really targeted at DSLR shooters that wanted to step up from h.264 4:2:0:0 highly compressed codecs. One of the things that was stressed about this design was it's very very sturdy metal case that you could drive a car over and still use the camera. There was no 2.5K version of the Ursa by the way, Not sure where you got that from...
I was surprised that the 2.5K MFT version wasn't mentioned or ranked more highly even thought the 4k pocket which is MFT was mentioned partly because of the MFT. Many believe the 2.5K has a more "filmic" look and the metal body will be more robust than the plastic. You're right that the 4K Production has lower dynamic range because of the global shutter I have two of these for footage that requires global shutter so I'm really surprised that the original URSA was a) ranked so highly because it was so awkward and huge b) the 4K Production had the same sensor and was more versatile in terms of can be rigged or used on it's own. Quite shocked that the original URSA v1 or v2 gets a top 10 position too because of the failed promise of the upgradeable sensor which never happened
Ah! You know what, I totally got this mixed up. For some reason I thought that 2.5k was an URSA variation but you're right it was the original pocket ones. My bad on that one!
@@FrameVoyager the 2.5K aren't the original pockets (they were 1080P), they're the Blackmagic Cinema Camera 2.5K which look the same as the 4K Production and were made before them.
@@FrameVoyager For what it is I almost like my older BMCC 2.5K (EF Mount to be sure) better than my BMPCC 4K. I said almost. It is NOT feature laden but is VERY simple to operate and has been mentioned, it's like a military vehicle in terms of durability. It is really the perfect camera if you want something like a Super 16mm film and DON'T want the grain (WHY do people add grain to their work UNLESS they are going for an older film look for 60s-80s period pieces!) Here's a really good example. This guy does some fabulous stuff with this camera and much is within the last year: th-cam.com/video/UiuSbYgJfqk/w-d-xo.html
@@FrameVoyager that is why the Micro Cinema (not the studio 4k) is the number 1 on my list. Because I really like cDNG, but the 3:1 compression is better for file management aspects. And I also like the cube form factor.
@@FrameVoyager yeah, I think the same (unfortunately). I keep my Micros by my side as long as they are operational. Hopefully they will long last. I don't care the resolution anyway, we have pretty good algorythms now for upscaling if it is needed, especially with that much adata the cDNG provides.
Blackmagic 2.5K would be higher for me because to this day it has one of the best colors I've seen from a camera, there is something organic about that camera
BMPCC legacy camera got an update and does Prores HQ as well, it's still an incredibly solid camera. Seriously if it didn't have the micro HDMI port it'd still be perfect. I still use 2 of mine as B/C cameras to this day. Don't knock these legends. Also whilst discontinued i'd argue they are still amazing starter cameras and you can get a rigged out one plus probably some lenses for less than a BMPCC4k. Is it in the right position in this list probably though, but it's got an amazing x-factor. Also, I just got a 2nd 4k instead of a 6k pro because ultimately it does everything I need and a 2nd one offered more than investing even more for the 6kpro.
1 место BMCC 2.5k mft 👍 2 местo BMCC 2.5 EF 3 место BMCC4k Product 4 место BMMCC Micro 5 место BMPCC 6 место BMPCC 4k mft 7 место URSA 4.5k 8 место BMPCC 6Pro 9 место BMPCC 6
@@FrameVoyager since CDNG Raw has been removed from the 4K pocket, it has a lesser dynamic range and does not have that Original Black Magic color science compare to BMCC 2.5k , URSA Mini 4.5k and other black magic cameras that shot Raw CDNG…..So this is big advantage and a really important tool for Film Makers….These cameras have been used on many popular movies out there and will continue to used them today over the pocket 4K…….
How can BMMCC be worse than BMPCC, it it supports 60 fps for slomo. I still use it where space and weight is important, like in a car, with ultrawide lens.
I was hoping you would have compared the cameras more as opposed to just a list, like price vs specs vs applications, etc. For ex. The micro cinema camera is still probably the best Blackmagic camera to mount to a car or use with a drone, you can use really affordable c-mount lenses, it records to inexpensive SD cards, high native ISO, and you can turn it into a fully-usable production camera with just external monitor. So for under $1500 you can have a pro-level camera/lens combo that is better form factor than a DSLR, only need 1 operator, and small enough to literally mount to anything. As opposed to, the Blackmagic Ursa, which has more formats, more resolutions, larger sensor, global shutter, multiple large touch-screens, and really meant to be operated by at least 2 people on a tripod or dolly/crane. And then you have the production camera 4k, which is like the best of both worlds.
For sure! Hard thing with that really is adding more a length to the video and the time it would take. Really was a video trying to spark a conversation and debate! Love getting to hear others opinions on the cameras! By far, the most pushback I've gotten was on the micro camera 😂 I probably listed that too low
Love my Micro Cinema Camera! It has all the same specs and sensor of the original BMPCC but with a much better battery and 60fps CDNG/ProRes422 up to HQ Definitely love the look of the first sensors BMD put out
I picked my bmpcc4k like a month ago. It’s been amazing so far. I would have to agree that it’s number 1. I wish they would take that camera and cram it into the black magic micro.
@@FrameVoyager I'm sure it is posable, maybe something a little bigger then a micro (not much though) but smaller then Z-cam. that form factor is just awesome!
Not sure how the original URSA is so high and the 2.5k is so low... and I feel the criteria of "it looks funny--must be bad" on the 2.5k is a bit unjust. The original BMCC 2.5 was actually developed after BMD made a field-recorder + monitor to record direct to ssd from other cameras. They then decided to slap on an internal sensor and dummy mount and the camera was born. I still think it outperforms 95% of cameras on todays market in both usability, image quality and cost to own and operate.
I love the picture of the Pocket 4k as well, I bought over the 6k and 6k Pro. Now if they release a 4k Pro I’m on it ASAP. I don’t like bad rolling shutter or overly sharpened video that’s why I sold my GH5🙌🏽
Not controversial for me, I agreed with every placement. I think the URSA G2 is the obvious choice for cinema production over the pocket 4K, but when you consider the impact the pocket 4K had, the much lower price it had, and the software support it had, it's really easy to put it above the URSA G2 as being the "best" of Blackmagic cameras because it didn't compromise that much despite all the drawbacks
Well you're one of the few that agrees with me haha. But that's what's fun about videos like this is the discussion and I always learn something new I didn't know before based on others perspectives. Thanks for watching!
It's a multi resolution camera, is the way I look at it. You get FULL sensor readout at 12k, 8k, and 4k. And as you go down in resolution your rolling shutter speeds get faster. So just allows you to have options for certain scenarios. I like 8k for certain interviews as it allows me to punch in a bit more.
@@FrameVoyager It was my understanding that RAW recording does not allow supersampling so I assumed that if you wanted to shoot BRAW at full sensor width (which is the reason I intend to buy a BMD camera), you would have to film at 12K. Of course resolutions over 6K have their uses but I think the use case of 12K is rather niche and I wouldn't sacrifice 6K full sensor width recording for that option. Am I misunderstanding something?
I mostly agree with your list. I'd have the studio cams a bit higher up...especially the micro 4K which looks fantastic and is super solid in a LANC controlled multi cam setup. My number 1 and 2 would be the G2 and the OG 6K, in that order, and the 6K could've taken the crown if it weren't for the rolling shutter articfacting. The 6K Pro to me was a missed opportunity with it's mediocre ND's, awful QC, even more unwieldy of a form factor and still the wobbly rolling shutter. That the poll taken had the G2 so far down is shocking...it clearly has the best image of any BM camera in my opinion. What on earth were these people polled thinking?
Hi, my bmcc 2.5k runs almost 2 hours on internal battery and delivers more organic image then my pocket4k does. That Fairchild sensor cost almost 3000 usd and i never had issues with fix pattern noise or black sun.Love that camera.
Non of those are better than OG pocket and 2.5K they acutely head Arri colour engineer working on colour science this is why it’s so organic and film looking straight out of camera now it’s all about how much K it has and everything looks plastic
As much as I love the abandoned camera series, I love this content of ranking the Blackmagic cameras, based on your own opinions. Hopefully, we can get a ranked video, based by the other cinema camera brands like RED, ARRI, SONY, Panasonic, Canon, Nikon, etc.
Then you'll be thrilled to know that we are planning on doing a Livestream ranking video here soon where the audio gets a vote! Redoing this video and might move into others as well!
It's an amazing camera with a high ceiling of what can be done with it! Great one to really get your feet wet before playing around with the one's that are the price of a house lol
I have the 6K Pro, two of the Production 4Ks, a MFT 2.5K, two of the OGs. Does your video now mean I'm buying the 4K pocket lol? Talk about gear acquisition syndrome
hahaha maybe? I love it. Could be because it's the one I've really used the most, but I always see better stuff off of it than the 6k pro. IMO at least, the 6k pro isn't far off.
@@FrameVoyager I'll say that the Pocket 6k Pro outperforms the pocket 4k in image quality. Not sure what you're smoking haha. When it comes to both overexposure and underexposure, 6k Pro wins, and that's what gives it a win on image quality. Tell you what, I might even rank the pocket 4k at #2 ahead of the 12k. I'm sure this list will change whenever BM decides to drop another camera, although... their 12k offering didn't shoot to #1 so maybe not
I got my BMPCC 4K the day it came out. I just happened to go to my local camera store, and they where unloading it off the truck, so they sold me one, even though they had a waiting list. Only reason I got it, is because I had a bunch of lenses from my GH4. When I got it home, i realized that I didn't know how to color grade, and my computer wasn't fast enough to edit the footage. So I didn't even use it that much for at least a couple of years. I'm glad I hung on to it, because they have done a bunch of firmware updates to it, and now the camera is pretty easy to use, and because of that camera, I learned how to color grade in Davinci. I still have it. As cheap as they are, everybody should own one. I also just got an OG. I love it for it's form factor. It's tiny, and shoots excellent video. The reason it is only at 2%, its because they didn't sell that many, so very few people have one, but those of us that do, love it. Plus, it is the only camera on your list, that is going up in value instead of down. In a couple of more years, they will sell for more than they sold for new. Very few cameras, from any manufacturer, are going up in value. I suggest you get one while you still can get them between $500 to $800.
4:00 I think the weird design came straight from trying to impact the DSLR market. A lot of people had already invested in DSLR gear specifically for video. Making the switch to BlackMagic at that time a more obvious choice than adding another 2k for a Sony FS700 or similar cameras. Remember, 2012 (when the original Producton Camera released) was still very much the year of the DSLR.
Absolutely! It's time for me to update this video a little bit. We are actually doing a livestream of this where the audience gets a vote here on June 29th. We haven't announced it yet but should be fun!
I don't understand why the Micro Cinema Camera is in last place since it has the same sensor as the OG bmpcc with more framerate options, a true HDMI port and more versatile when it comes to rigging it. It is one of my favorite camera so i'm so sad (even more since some assh***s stole mine!).
i HAD A URSA MINI goood image.. horrible quality of parts IT WILL FAIL DONT WAIST YOUR MONEY NOT TO MENTION horrible customer service across the board rent it if you need it and buy a sony or canon dont get burned like so many others buy PRO gear (your welcome)
I love black magic cameras. I consistently think of upgrading and getting another camera from their lineup but I can't justify the additional cost vs features from my pocket 4k. The 6k pro with built in ND filters raises my eyebrow but playing thousands more for a few small features of that and others plus losing most of the run and gun ability makes it tough for solo shooters like myself. Great video!
Tbh I would put all the new production 4k cameras together with the p4k. Cuz they have different bodies, I can see how extremely helpful they can be for certain people. Especially for youtubers. 2 XLR full sized ports is very good.
Best intro of all time. Without singing a word, you said so much! Question, what would you think of the 4K and a Meike Cine MFT lens? I'm not asking you to choose a focal length, though I end up filming wildlife and nature (don't have any friends). I want to use the full cinematic potential of this camera and lens as I progress.
😂😂 appreciate it! Funny you ask about the Meike cine lenses because Ive been told by a lot of people to try then out and I'm finally doing that next week on a trip to Olympic national park! So I'll let you know after I play around with them!
@@FrameVoyager Too awesome.. I look forward to what you think. This is stupid to backtrack now, but I had a 4K and the Meike 16mm for one evening in my room. Just filming my monitor in a dark room, it was the best footage I have ever taken. Now I want my own. Maybe the 24mm. Enjoy your trip.
Hey man, your amazing disclaimer triggered me so good, in a great way, that I had to INSTANTLY SUBSCRIBE! 😡 😅 I LOVE your style and deeply enjoyed your ranking! Looking forward to more fantastic content from you, bro! Best Wishes
I don't believe there was an Ursa Mini 2.5k. There was a 4k and a 4.6k. The 4k is very outdated and has a low performing sensor, comparatively. Whereas the 4.6k is actually pretty decent. It just shoots DNG instead of BRAW. ALSO...you missed the Ursa Mini Pro G1
I know! I can't believe I didn't catch myself on that either. Meant to put that G1 in the mix with those others and kind of forgot to add it in and also missed the placement for the 2.5k which I noted in the pinned comment. Apologize about messing that up! Totally on me
How many of the people answering the pollshjave used all of the black magic cameras extensively and how many of the people have actually owned all of them?
Nope, to put all what are currently 10-13 above 14-16 in my opinion shows an complete lack of knowledge of what14-16 were. While 14-16 might be old school by today's standards, all of them were used in REAL MOVIES. Not only real movies, but the last place, bottom of the list, #16 was use in the MCU movie "Captain Marvel" as, among other things, the action camera, because it was the first 2k cinema capable raw shooting action camera. Did people notice that it only had a raw resolution just shy of 2k even though it was placed next to footage from the Alexa 65 and Red Weapon 8k? No more so than most would notice the original Alexa classics were only 2k as well. Yes, they are slightly softer than modern cameras, but more resolution is a useful tool, content and good cinematography is ultimately far more important.
And this is why I like making these videos! Love getting everyone's fiery opinions 😂 I will say, they are using the newer cameras in movies as well. If I'm not mistaken, the 6k was used in filming some of the cockpit scenes for the new top gun movie. But beyond that, there are several different ways to grade the cameras based on your industry. Would a production camera receive a lower grade because it's not been in a movie? There camera lineup is pretty hard to grade. But I think if I redid it I'd add the bottom ones up a little bit higher 😂
@@FrameVoyager If all the other cinema cameras from Blackmagic, including the OG pocket made it higher on the list then it seems this list is geared towards the cinema demographic.
@@FrameVoyager Yeah its a shame that the resolution war and full frame craze is still going on. Cant wait for companies to focus on dynamic range, and affordable media.
Ursa g2 is fantastic! The image right out is amazing and so cine like! However it's way too heavy for me and way too hectic to travel with! Bmpcc 6k pro compared to the Ursa g2 is much easier to travel with plus I love ef glass! Can we have a full version of your sing song?
I know you put that disclaimer in and essentially said it was clickbait, BUT: BM production 4k-You mentioned a bunch of pros (except global shutter) and put it at number 15 without explanation. BM cinema 2.5k (title card says 4k for some reason) - you said this was like the production cam but designed to be more portable, umm no, they're the exact same body essentially, and it's ranked above the production 4k despite lower res and no global shutter. I actually agree with the ranking (i think the 2.5k just has a better image, and an extra stop of DR), just not the reasons (or lack of) in the video.
Thanks! And yeah, was trying to figure out why on this one 🤔 I think I may have accidentally adjust the set level to options after I cut everything making each cut different levels.
Yeah, it's alright. Works sometimes and other times it's meh. Just gotta pick your shots! If you know it's gonna be an issue for a particular shot then you can always go to a cropped 4k resolution
I see you like the MFT mount of the 4K pocket but my personal opinion is that the MFT 2.5K should have received more of a mention and a higher ranking. Also, the original URSA (v1 and v2) and 4K Production were the only cameras that Blackmagic have produced with a global shutter and they have the same sensor. I don't think the original URSA should be a top 10 camera because one of the selling points was the interchangeable sensor but Blackmagic never actually made this sensor available in this model?
Yeah that would have been great if they had done that! It was honestly really hard to figure out how to place some of the middle ranking cameras. Because they are all so wildly different
@@FrameVoyager I think you made a really good point about some of the original cameras being a progression and like prototypes. The original URSA was water cooled and built like a tank. So over engineered. I might actually have to buy one. They weighed like 16 or 17 pounds! If you could get hold of all of these cameras and put them on a table compare them, I don't think anyone on TH-cam has done that?
What’s you’re opinion on the Panasonic and Fuji cameras which can record BRAW to the Video Assist? Wouldn’t that practically make a camera like the S5 a full frame Pocket 6K?
I use a BMPCC og and I love it. Wish it didn't have such a brutal crop factor, 2.88x is a real bottleneck when it comes to lens selection, and speed boosters can only go so far in mitigating the problem. I use a Viltrox 0,71x speed booster to adapt my Nikon stills glass and an 18-35 is still a 35-70 equivalent
Unless im mistaken The bmcc 2.5k came out first, it wasnt meant to be more compact, it had the same form factor as the bmcc 4k that came out later They just had various lens mounts which changed the length of the mount
Ok I didn't think anything here was actually controversial. Ima say something controversial, bring back the original Ursa shape. One big old box made it great for hand-held & I loved the massive flip out screen. I think we should start normalizing big monitors for DoPs. How can you get the best results from a 5" screen?
Could be with the sensor type? Sometimes older sensors just have a better look too them. Could also because I know this particular camera backwards and forwards since I've used it longer. I do plan at some point to dig into that question
im about to buy a bmp 6k whit a added magicbooster, the speedbooster thats inside the cam, im unsure if thats a goode idea now i know what it is, do you have any tip on yea or nah, i can save around 500 euros on the body.
I can't believe how mis informed you are about some of those cameras and their resolution. It would take just a simple Google search to obtain the correct stats. And people will watch this video. Terrible.
BMPCC4K is the cinematic game changer. Not only for the superb quality, but also for the price to quality ratio. It is the entry step for wannabe filmmakers and it's a HUGE one. Because it gives almost Arri image quality for the fraction of a price. Because it is cinema camera - no autofocus, no stabilization, no shortcuts - it's a perfect camera for learning cinematography. It is a milestone that gave the power to create at the another level for thousands of filmmakers, including my humble self. It deserves the first place :)
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Video Note: I accidentally mentioned the 2.5k BMPCC as with the original URSA. My bad! Didn't mean to leave that one out as many people seem to love that one. Where do you think that should rank?
What I find interesting is the last place camera on the list was also used as the action camera on some of the MCU movies, like, "Captain Marvel" and while only and action B-Cam was still used along side the Alexa 65 and Red Weapon 8k. Sure the pocket 4k wasn't available when the production started, but still that 16th place cameras still holds it's own.
I had to grab my 4k and cradle it while watching. The 4K is the best!
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Man, i'd love for them to make another camera as versatile and convenient as the bmpcc4k. It's still a very new camera, but i'm sure there'll be something coming in the next couple years.
Agree! I'm excited to see what their next camera is going to be!
Nice video. BMPC 4K also had a global shutter. That's why it only had 12 stops of DR. Regardless we still use ours on almost every shoot. It's been incredibly reliable as well unlike the pocket and UMP cameras. As to the form factor for it and the original BMCC that you ranked at 14 (you used the BMPC 4K title card as the interstitial for this camera BTW) was really targeted at DSLR shooters that wanted to step up from h.264 4:2:0:0 highly compressed codecs. One of the things that was stressed about this design was it's very very sturdy metal case that you could drive a car over and still use the camera. There was no 2.5K version of the Ursa by the way, Not sure where you got that from...
I was surprised that the 2.5K MFT version wasn't mentioned or ranked more highly even thought the 4k pocket which is MFT was mentioned partly because of the MFT. Many believe the 2.5K has a more "filmic" look and the metal body will be more robust than the plastic. You're right that the 4K Production has lower dynamic range because of the global shutter I have two of these for footage that requires global shutter so I'm really surprised that the original URSA was a) ranked so highly because it was so awkward and huge b) the 4K Production had the same sensor and was more versatile in terms of can be rigged or used on it's own. Quite shocked that the original URSA v1 or v2 gets a top 10 position too because of the failed promise of the upgradeable sensor which never happened
Ah! You know what, I totally got this mixed up. For some reason I thought that 2.5k was an URSA variation but you're right it was the original pocket ones. My bad on that one!
@@FrameVoyager the 2.5K aren't the original pockets (they were 1080P), they're the Blackmagic Cinema Camera 2.5K which look the same as the 4K Production and were made before them.
@@FrameVoyager For what it is I almost like my older BMCC 2.5K (EF Mount to be sure) better than my BMPCC 4K. I said almost. It is NOT feature laden but is VERY simple to operate and has been mentioned, it's like a military vehicle in terms of durability.
It is really the perfect camera if you want something like a Super 16mm film and DON'T want the grain (WHY do people add grain to their work UNLESS they are going for an older film look for 60s-80s period pieces!)
Here's a really good example. This guy does some fabulous stuff with this camera and much is within the last year:
th-cam.com/video/UiuSbYgJfqk/w-d-xo.html
Completely agree with your thoughts about the OG's Cinema DNG files. They are special and seem to have their own magic to them.
That's what everyone tells me! haha
I came back to re-watch the amazing intro and I find my buddy, Ioannis! 👍🏾
@@FrameVoyager that is why the Micro Cinema (not the studio 4k) is the number 1 on my list. Because I really like cDNG, but the 3:1 compression is better for file management aspects. And I also like the cube form factor.
@@broaf I bet an update would be a BRAW format
@@FrameVoyager yeah, I think the same (unfortunately). I keep my Micros by my side as long as they are operational. Hopefully they will long last. I don't care the resolution anyway, we have pretty good algorythms now for upscaling if it is needed, especially with that much adata the cDNG provides.
If they made a pro version of the pocket cinema camera (with built-in ND filters and an mft mount) I would buy it 4.6k pro or 5k pro
Hmmm... That would be interesting! I kinda feel like they may be done with MFT mounts. But I could be wrong
Blackmagic 2.5K would be higher for me because to this day it has one of the best colors I've seen from a camera, there is something organic about that camera
It'll go down in history as a highly sought after, legendary camera
Does the same square BM 4k have the same colours?
@@NatLifeSoundsno only first pocket and 2.5k because because BM hired former arri engineer now it’s all 4K 10k instead of colour science
BMPCC legacy camera got an update and does Prores HQ as well, it's still an incredibly solid camera. Seriously if it didn't have the micro HDMI port it'd still be perfect.
I still use 2 of mine as B/C cameras to this day. Don't knock these legends. Also whilst discontinued i'd argue they are still amazing starter cameras and you can get a rigged out one plus probably some lenses for less than a BMPCC4k.
Is it in the right position in this list probably though, but it's got an amazing x-factor.
Also, I just got a 2nd 4k instead of a 6k pro because ultimately it does everything I need and a 2nd one offered more than investing even more for the 6kpro.
The P4K really is a great camera for so many reasons and it still being supported over the URSA G2 let me put it there!
Could have swore Bmpcc OG was #1
I wonder if their m4/3 box camera sold so poorly they refuse to make a modern box cam
That's a good question! We are actually doing a video on their micro camera here soon
Global shutter 4k is number 15? You haven’t used this camera obviously
👀 where would you put it?
1 место BMCC 2.5k mft 👍
2 местo BMCC 2.5 EF
3 место BMCC4k Product
4 место BMMCC Micro
5 место BMPCC
6 место BMPCC 4k mft
7 место URSA 4.5k
8 место BMPCC 6Pro
9 место BMPCC 6
3rd place BMCC 2.5k PL
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You forgot about Blackmagic Black sun sun problem.
Nah…I wouldn’t put the pocket 4K before the BMCC 2.5k….
Why's that? Genuinely made this video for a good ol fashioned debate 😂
@@FrameVoyager since CDNG Raw has been removed from the 4K pocket, it has a lesser dynamic range and does not have that Original Black Magic color science compare to BMCC 2.5k , URSA Mini 4.5k and other black magic cameras that shot Raw CDNG…..So this is big advantage and a really important tool for Film Makers….These cameras have been used on many popular movies out there and will continue to used them today over the pocket 4K…….
My 4k is on the way😃
I think i made a good choice
Sweet! It's such a fun camera!
How can BMMCC be worse than BMPCC, it it supports 60 fps for slomo. I still use it where space and weight is important, like in a car, with ultrawide lens.
Fair point! Tbh, fairly difficult to rank any of these in any technical sense as they are all such different cameras. But you make a good point
I was hoping you would have compared the cameras more as opposed to just a list, like price vs specs vs applications, etc. For ex. The micro cinema camera is still probably the best Blackmagic camera to mount to a car or use with a drone, you can use really affordable c-mount lenses, it records to inexpensive SD cards, high native ISO, and you can turn it into a fully-usable production camera with just external monitor. So for under $1500 you can have a pro-level camera/lens combo that is better form factor than a DSLR, only need 1 operator, and small enough to literally mount to anything. As opposed to, the Blackmagic Ursa, which has more formats, more resolutions, larger sensor, global shutter, multiple large touch-screens, and really meant to be operated by at least 2 people on a tripod or dolly/crane. And then you have the production camera 4k, which is like the best of both worlds.
For sure! Hard thing with that really is adding more a length to the video and the time it would take. Really was a video trying to spark a conversation and debate! Love getting to hear others opinions on the cameras! By far, the most pushback I've gotten was on the micro camera 😂 I probably listed that too low
Love my Micro Cinema Camera! It has all the same specs and sensor of the original BMPCC but with a much better battery and 60fps CDNG/ProRes422 up to HQ
Definitely love the look of the first sensors BMD put out
I picked my bmpcc4k like a month ago. It’s been amazing so far. I would have to agree that it’s number 1. I wish they would take that camera and cram it into the black magic micro.
Right? I wonder what the technical hoops would be to do that. Could be an interesting camera!
@@FrameVoyager I'm sure it is posable, maybe something a little bigger then a micro (not much though) but smaller then Z-cam. that form factor is just awesome!
Not sure how the original URSA is so high and the 2.5k is so low... and I feel the criteria of "it looks funny--must be bad" on the 2.5k is a bit unjust. The original BMCC 2.5 was actually developed after BMD made a field-recorder + monitor to record direct to ssd from other cameras. They then decided to slap on an internal sensor and dummy mount and the camera was born. I still think it outperforms 95% of cameras on todays market in both usability, image quality and cost to own and operate.
I love the picture of the Pocket 4k as well, I bought over the 6k and 6k Pro. Now if they release a 4k Pro I’m on it ASAP.
I don’t like bad rolling shutter or overly sharpened video that’s why I sold my GH5🙌🏽
Not controversial for me, I agreed with every placement. I think the URSA G2 is the obvious choice for cinema production over the pocket 4K, but when you consider the impact the pocket 4K had, the much lower price it had, and the software support it had, it's really easy to put it above the URSA G2 as being the "best" of Blackmagic cameras because it didn't compromise that much despite all the drawbacks
Well you're one of the few that agrees with me haha. But that's what's fun about videos like this is the discussion and I always learn something new I didn't know before based on others perspectives. Thanks for watching!
What exactly is the use case for the 12K? For me, 6K is the sweet spot and I wouldn’t buy a camera with a higher resolution than that.
It's a multi resolution camera, is the way I look at it. You get FULL sensor readout at 12k, 8k, and 4k. And as you go down in resolution your rolling shutter speeds get faster. So just allows you to have options for certain scenarios. I like 8k for certain interviews as it allows me to punch in a bit more.
@@FrameVoyager It was my understanding that RAW recording does not allow supersampling so I assumed that if you wanted to shoot BRAW at full sensor width (which is the reason I intend to buy a BMD camera), you would have to film at 12K.
Of course resolutions over 6K have their uses but I think the use case of 12K is rather niche and I wouldn't sacrifice 6K full sensor width recording for that option.
Am I misunderstanding something?
Agree with 1st and 2nd, I just shot my second feature film with those combo !!! However I'll put 2,5K and OG Pocket in a better place.
I mostly agree with your list. I'd have the studio cams a bit higher up...especially the micro 4K which looks fantastic and is super solid in a LANC controlled multi cam setup. My number 1 and 2 would be the G2 and the OG 6K, in that order, and the 6K could've taken the crown if it weren't for the rolling shutter articfacting. The 6K Pro to me was a missed opportunity with it's mediocre ND's, awful QC, even more unwieldy of a form factor and still the wobbly rolling shutter. That the poll taken had the G2 so far down is shocking...it clearly has the best image of any BM camera in my opinion. What on earth were these people polled thinking?
hahaha I don't know
Turned you off after the long and insulting intro...
😂 probably good thing. You wouldn't like this channel's sarcasm
Couldn't agree more on the 4K. Epic camera. Love mine and use it more than my 6K.
Same!
Would u recommend it for music video..or anything better than this ?
@@kingbaby8399 I shot this music video with the 4K (mostly) as well as a few others. Great cameras. th-cam.com/video/ID1tx8-BUsw/w-d-xo.html
I came back now just so I can re-watch that amazing, hilarious intro/disclaimer! 😅 Cool stuff.
😅😅😅 There is a lot more like it coming!
I’m triggered beyond belief 😂
😂😂 mission accomplished 🚀
Very cool review, especially when I just realized that I have owned 5 BMD models as a progression.
Hi, my bmcc 2.5k runs almost 2 hours on internal battery and delivers more organic image then my pocket4k does. That Fairchild sensor cost almost 3000 usd and i never had issues with fix pattern noise or black sun.Love that camera.
Nice to see that my camera reached 5th place after all. BTW Nice disclaimer... 😎
😂😂😂 thanks!
Happy with a number 5. Mine is hot rodded with the Tilta screen mod so… … … you can't touch this…
Non of those are better than OG pocket and 2.5K they acutely head Arri colour engineer working on colour science this is why it’s so organic and film looking straight out of camera now it’s all about how much K it has and everything looks plastic
As much as I love the abandoned camera series, I love this content of ranking the Blackmagic cameras, based on your own opinions. Hopefully, we can get a ranked video, based by the other cinema camera brands like RED, ARRI, SONY, Panasonic, Canon, Nikon, etc.
Then you'll be thrilled to know that we are planning on doing a Livestream ranking video here soon where the audio gets a vote! Redoing this video and might move into others as well!
wow! you 've giving me some confidence bro, I was thinking i made a wrong choice when i bought my bmpcc 4k but i believe i can fly with it.
It's an amazing camera with a high ceiling of what can be done with it! Great one to really get your feet wet before playing around with the one's that are the price of a house lol
I have the 6K Pro, two of the Production 4Ks, a MFT 2.5K, two of the OGs. Does your video now mean I'm buying the 4K pocket lol? Talk about gear acquisition syndrome
hahaha maybe? I love it. Could be because it's the one I've really used the most, but I always see better stuff off of it than the 6k pro. IMO at least, the 6k pro isn't far off.
You don't compare other BMD cameras to the true OG BMCC 2.5K. #BLASPHEMER ;) haha!
Somehow I think BM it’s better than RED image
Bros intro squizofrenic af. Like.
Pocket 4k #1? Yeah that's a no. What's more amusing is that you made this video at all. Glutton for punishment I guess
WHO DO YOU THINK THE GOAT IS THEN? 👀
😂😂😂 I really am! Honestly made this video so I could make that intro song haha.
@@FrameVoyager I'll say that the Pocket 6k Pro outperforms the pocket 4k in image quality. Not sure what you're smoking haha. When it comes to both overexposure and underexposure, 6k Pro wins, and that's what gives it a win on image quality. Tell you what, I might even rank the pocket 4k at #2 ahead of the 12k. I'm sure this list will change whenever BM decides to drop another camera, although... their 12k offering didn't shoot to #1 so maybe not
@@leebrandt8597 I respect that opinion! Can't tell you you're wrong on this either. I just like how the p4k sensor looks
@@FrameVoyager the 6K sensor has better roll off.
@@mrshaheedmalik has more dynamic range. skin tones look better also!
I got my BMPCC 4K the day it came out. I just happened to go to my local camera store, and they where unloading it off the truck, so they sold me one, even though they had a waiting list. Only reason I got it, is because I had a bunch of lenses from my GH4. When I got it home, i realized that I didn't know how to color grade, and my computer wasn't fast enough to edit the footage. So I didn't even use it that much for at least a couple of years. I'm glad I hung on to it, because they have done a bunch of firmware updates to it, and now the camera is pretty easy to use, and because of that camera, I learned how to color grade in Davinci. I still have it. As cheap as they are, everybody should own one. I also just got an OG. I love it for it's form factor. It's tiny, and shoots excellent video. The reason it is only at 2%, its because they didn't sell that many, so very few people have one, but those of us that do, love it. Plus, it is the only camera on your list, that is going up in value instead of down. In a couple of more years, they will sell for more than they sold for new. Very few cameras, from any manufacturer, are going up in value. I suggest you get one while you still can get them between $500 to $800.
4:00 I think the weird design came straight from trying to impact the DSLR market.
A lot of people had already invested in DSLR gear specifically for video.
Making the switch to BlackMagic at that time a more obvious choice than adding another 2k for a Sony FS700 or similar cameras.
Remember, 2012 (when the original Producton Camera released) was still very much the year of the DSLR.
Absolutely! It's time for me to update this video a little bit. We are actually doing a livestream of this where the audience gets a vote here on June 29th. We haven't announced it yet but should be fun!
@@FrameVoyager I'll be there for sure!
i have some dng files from paris for the OG BMD CC if you'd like to test the footage.
I don't understand why the Micro Cinema Camera is in last place since it has the same sensor as the OG bmpcc with more framerate options, a true HDMI port and more versatile when it comes to rigging it. It is one of my favorite camera so i'm so sad (even more since some assh***s stole mine!).
I'll admit since releasing this video I've changed my tune on the Micro Cinema Camera haha
i HAD A URSA MINI goood image.. horrible quality of parts IT WILL FAIL DONT WAIST YOUR MONEY NOT TO MENTION horrible customer service across the board rent it if you need it and buy a sony or canon dont get burned like so many others buy PRO gear (your welcome)
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I love black magic cameras. I consistently think of upgrading and getting another camera from their lineup but I can't justify the additional cost vs features from my pocket 4k. The 6k pro with built in ND filters raises my eyebrow but playing thousands more for a few small features of that and others plus losing most of the run and gun ability makes it tough for solo shooters like myself. Great video!
URSA Broadcast G2 is the GOAT.
Chamge my mind
Tbh I would put all the new production 4k cameras together with the p4k.
Cuz they have different bodies, I can see how extremely helpful they can be for certain people. Especially for youtubers. 2 XLR full sized ports is very good.
I could see that! I just think the P4K has a little bit more flexibility. But I see your point!
Best intro of all time. Without singing a word, you said so much! Question, what would you think of the 4K and a Meike Cine MFT lens? I'm not asking you to choose a focal length, though I end up filming wildlife and nature (don't have any friends). I want to use the full cinematic potential of this camera and lens as I progress.
😂😂 appreciate it! Funny you ask about the Meike cine lenses because Ive been told by a lot of people to try then out and I'm finally doing that next week on a trip to Olympic national park! So I'll let you know after I play around with them!
@@FrameVoyager Too awesome.. I look forward to what you think. This is stupid to backtrack now, but I had a 4K and the Meike 16mm for one evening in my room. Just filming my monitor in a dark room, it was the best footage I have ever taken. Now I want my own. Maybe the 24mm. Enjoy your trip.
Hey man, your amazing disclaimer triggered me so good, in a great way, that I had to INSTANTLY SUBSCRIBE! 😡 😅 I LOVE your style and deeply enjoyed your ranking! Looking forward to more fantastic content from you, bro! Best Wishes
Appreciate it! Always looking to be fun and entertaining!
From my own experience. The Micro is way worse than the pocket OG. Horrible highlight noise (purple) and terrible texture. The OG is the magic
Micro og?
YEAH!!! THE BMPCC 4K IS THE ABSOLUTE WINNER!!!!!!💥💥
Pretty sure my Z Cam E1 is a lot smaller than the Blackmagic Micro
Oh ma gawd 😂. The intro was something
😂 You're welcome
Cool! I have the Nr. 1; 4 and 9. I love my Ursa12K though.
I been wanting a Blackmagic camera but they are just ugly ass cameras 😔
I don't believe there was an Ursa Mini 2.5k. There was a 4k and a 4.6k. The 4k is very outdated and has a low performing sensor, comparatively. Whereas the 4.6k is actually pretty decent. It just shoots DNG instead of BRAW.
ALSO...you missed the Ursa Mini Pro G1
I know! I can't believe I didn't catch myself on that either. Meant to put that G1 in the mix with those others and kind of forgot to add it in and also missed the placement for the 2.5k which I noted in the pinned comment. Apologize about messing that up! Totally on me
@@domenucakar yep! On me for messing that up 😂 I mentioned it in my pinned comments. Sorry about that! 😳Making controversy in so many ways
like and subscribe even jus for that song! 😝
How many of the people answering the pollshjave used all of the black magic cameras extensively and how many of the people have actually owned all of them?
Gosh, that's a good question... I might have to do another poll 😳
maaan I want an update to the micro so bad.
haha! You thinking about that for your set up?
Dude , the original URSA is heavy , blind and bulky … one of the worst cameras IMO
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Wow what a title! Love it!
😂 appreciate it! Thanks for the sub!
Do you know why the Ursa 12k isn't Netflix approved?
Something with the new sensor was an issue I believe but I'm not sure exactly what was the issue
Frame Voyager: THE MUSICAL
One day, just you wait, I'll make an entire video that's a musical
@@FrameVoyager Worlds first Black Magic Musical? 🎵📸😉
YEAH!!!!!!!!
woohoo! Lovin' my BMPCC4K !
Same!
Nope, to put all what are currently 10-13 above 14-16 in my opinion shows an complete lack of knowledge of what14-16 were. While 14-16 might be old school by today's standards, all of them were used in REAL MOVIES. Not only real movies, but the last place, bottom of the list, #16 was use in the MCU movie "Captain Marvel" as, among other things, the action camera, because it was the first 2k cinema capable raw shooting action camera. Did people notice that it only had a raw resolution just shy of 2k even though it was placed next to footage from the Alexa 65 and Red Weapon 8k? No more so than most would notice the original Alexa classics were only 2k as well. Yes, they are slightly softer than modern cameras, but more resolution is a useful tool, content and good cinematography is ultimately far more important.
And this is why I like making these videos! Love getting everyone's fiery opinions 😂 I will say, they are using the newer cameras in movies as well. If I'm not mistaken, the 6k was used in filming some of the cockpit scenes for the new top gun movie. But beyond that, there are several different ways to grade the cameras based on your industry. Would a production camera receive a lower grade because it's not been in a movie? There camera lineup is pretty hard to grade. But I think if I redid it I'd add the bottom ones up a little bit higher 😂
@@FrameVoyager If all the other cinema cameras from Blackmagic, including the OG pocket made it higher on the list then it seems this list is geared towards the cinema demographic.
I wished blackmagic would release a 2k Super35 camera with SSD media thats under $2000, that would be an instant buy for me.
That would be cool! I just think most companies are past making cameras at those resolutions anymore.
@@FrameVoyager Yeah its a shame that the resolution war and full frame craze is still going on. Cant wait for companies to focus on dynamic range, and affordable media.
Ursa g2 is fantastic! The image right out is amazing and so cine like! However it's way too heavy for me and way too hectic to travel with! Bmpcc 6k pro compared to the Ursa g2 is much easier to travel with plus I love ef glass!
Can we have a full version of your sing song?
Agree! And there actually is another verse and bridge to it that wasn't included 👀 maybe I'll make an album 😂
Is there any difference between 6k n 6k pro image quality wise?
Good question! And honestly one I don't know. I feel like it's the same sensor though
No mate,same exact processor and sensor.
@@billzidis2656 thank you
The pocket 4K was my first introduction to BlackMagic
Good video I love BMD
I know you put that disclaimer in and essentially said it was clickbait, BUT:
BM production 4k-You mentioned a bunch of pros (except global shutter) and put it at number 15 without explanation.
BM cinema 2.5k (title card says 4k for some reason) - you said this was like the production cam but designed to be more portable, umm no, they're the exact same body essentially, and it's ranked above the production 4k despite lower res and no global shutter. I actually agree with the ranking (i think the 2.5k just has a better image, and an extra stop of DR), just not the reasons (or lack of) in the video.
Love the video, audio levels were a bit jumpy
Thanks! And yeah, was trying to figure out why on this one 🤔 I think I may have accidentally adjust the set level to options after I cut everything making each cut different levels.
6kpro - have you ever tried to fix rolling shutter in Premiere Pro ?
Any good results ?
Thanks
Yeah, it's alright. Works sometimes and other times it's meh. Just gotta pick your shots! If you know it's gonna be an issue for a particular shot then you can always go to a cropped 4k resolution
@@FrameVoyager Thanks man for your help :)
Liked and subscribed!
So... Where can I get this song? 🙃
1337 (LEET) video 🔥🔥🔥
I'm thinking of making a Spotify profile 👀
@@FrameVoyager You should start a comedy sketch.. 😉
I see you like the MFT mount of the 4K pocket but my personal opinion is that the MFT 2.5K should have received more of a mention and a higher ranking. Also, the original URSA (v1 and v2) and 4K Production were the only cameras that Blackmagic have produced with a global shutter and they have the same sensor. I don't think the original URSA should be a top 10 camera because one of the selling points was the interchangeable sensor but Blackmagic never actually made this sensor available in this model?
Yeah that would have been great if they had done that! It was honestly really hard to figure out how to place some of the middle ranking cameras. Because they are all so wildly different
@@FrameVoyager I think you made a really good point about some of the original cameras being a progression and like prototypes. The original URSA was water cooled and built like a tank. So over engineered. I might actually have to buy one. They weighed like 16 or 17 pounds! If you could get hold of all of these cameras and put them on a table compare them, I don't think anyone on TH-cam has done that?
@@MichaelGreenwoodMG That would be interesting, wouldn't it!
What’s you’re opinion on the Panasonic and Fuji cameras which can record BRAW to the Video Assist? Wouldn’t that practically make a camera like the S5 a full frame Pocket 6K?
what is this hidden feature in the 4K in your cliffhanger ending? Come clean now. Tell the truth.
😂😂 go check it out now!
@@FrameVoyager Oh, that. I thought you were hinting at something BIG & IMPORTANT.
@@richardweddle3408 😂😂😂 it could be
I use a BMPCC og and I love it. Wish it didn't have such a brutal crop factor, 2.88x is a real bottleneck when it comes to lens selection, and speed boosters can only go so far in mitigating the problem. I use a Viltrox 0,71x speed booster to adapt my Nikon stills glass and an 18-35 is still a 35-70 equivalent
4k is love
Unless im mistaken
The bmcc 2.5k came out first, it wasnt meant to be more compact, it had the same form factor as the bmcc 4k that came out later
They just had various lens mounts which changed the length of the mount
Ok I didn't think anything here was actually controversial. Ima say something controversial, bring back the original Ursa shape. One big old box made it great for hand-held & I loved the massive flip out screen. I think we should start normalizing big monitors for DoPs. How can you get the best results from a 5" screen?
why is the 4k image better than the 6k? thats the real question, for me anyway
Could be with the sensor type? Sometimes older sensors just have a better look too them. Could also because I know this particular camera backwards and forwards since I've used it longer. I do plan at some point to dig into that question
Awesome Thank you for the reply
No problem! Thanks for watching!
Wish no 1 have screen like no 3..
Yeah... same
Nice list!
Thanks!
im about to buy a bmp 6k whit a added magicbooster, the speedbooster thats inside the cam, im unsure if thats a goode idea now i know what it is, do you have any tip on yea or nah, i can save around 500 euros on the body.
Thumbs up 👍 for the song!
haha appreciate that! Trying to keep it all crazy and fun
you are getting better and better
Appreciate that! Trying to continue to make more interesting and entertaining content! Just wait until next year!
Did I miss the 2.5K????
No I just messed up my placement of it 😭 I've been reprimanded haha
number one should be like 5
Fight me 👀
😂 Jk, what do you think?
Awesome list, man! Thanks
Appreciate it! Actually doing this again here soon as a LIVESTREAM where the viewers get to vote
@@FrameVoyager That sounds awesome
@@topicruben should be! Plan on doing it like a march madness bracket
That song though.. DOPE 😎🔥
haha appreciate it!
cool, fun video
Appreciate it!
Dope track 🧐
Appreciate it! Getting ready to start my Spotify career! haha
I love you Josh!
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I can't believe how mis informed you are about some of those cameras and their resolution. It would take just a simple Google search to obtain the correct stats. And people will watch this video. Terrible.
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BMPCC4K is the cinematic game changer. Not only for the superb quality, but also for the price to quality ratio. It is the entry step for wannabe filmmakers and it's a HUGE one. Because it gives almost Arri image quality for the fraction of a price. Because it is cinema camera - no autofocus, no stabilization, no shortcuts - it's a perfect camera for learning cinematography. It is a milestone that gave the power to create at the another level for thousands of filmmakers, including my humble self. It deserves the first place :)
My sentiments exactly! 💯
@@FrameVoyager I'm on board too!
@@mikenicholas8375 join the party 🥳🎉
I agree with you 100 percent!
@@reaganpieter 🥳