Wondering if you could do a tutorial on the main lead sound that happens on the drop of Lorde -Tennis Court (Flume Remix) by any chance? Its such an awesome sound/group of sounds.
I'm an absolute Beginner. And my first problem was, that there is no Z3A+2 to get. So I started to find a synthesizer with which I can develop a sound like this. My first finding was FRMS for IOS, but it*s difficult to get this slow rising of pitch. Any better suggestions? Any synth with similiar possibilities as Z3A+2? And by the way. I would like to do your tutorial. But it*s a lot to expensive for an absolute Beginner like me.
Syntorial I've recently bought syntorial and think its great!!! I was wondering what program are you using to record your tracks into? cakewalk is what you use to create the sound but what's the other program your using?
Excellent tutorial. I'm downloading the demo version as we speak! Syntorial (or anyone else), I'm wondering if you can help me. In Cubase, when using the Spector synth, I've noticed a problem. There are certain preset sounds that I really like, and that I've tried to recreate by opening a new Spector track, re-setting everything so that I'm starting with a blank slate, and then copying all the settings that are present in the preset sound that I like. What I often find is that even when I seem to have put every possible setting exactly the same as in the preset, including the envelopes and all that stuff, something will sound very different. For example there's a preset called 'Antichill' that has a nice tone, but for some reason it appears to be completely irreplicable when starting from a new slate. Do you know why I might be experiencing this, and how to get around it? I'd like to be able to create those sounds from scratch. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I bought the syntorial as well, really appreciate for your hard work! I have a question, so my synth has only 2 Envelope to control 2 OSC. in this case how can I make that sound? Should I use glide? have no clue how glide works though..
You're very welcome! The sound uses 3 osc, so I think you're best bet would be to leave out the middle voice, and use your two envelopes to raise osc 1 pitch, and lower osc 2 pitch until they come together, slightly detuned.
Nice!!!!! Thank you for this. I'm going to get Syntorial and try this. I'm still very new to production. Trying to figure out Logic Pro. Quick question, do you think it's possible to use Syntorial and the techniques you've used in the video to make tracks that song similar to SOHN, FKA Twigs...? I want to really make music with that dark ethereal sound.
Great! Yes, the actual tone may differ, depending on what synths they use, but you should be able to re-create something close to many of those sounds.
Great tutorial! Can you tell me how to assign the after touch part to another trigger? Don't have aftertouch on my keyboard. Trying to trigger it by my pitch bend wheel but can not figure out how to assign it!
Yeah that's trickier than you'd think. Here's how: 1. click the "Perform" tab at the top left, and disable pitch bend by setting Bend Up and Bend Down to 0. 2. Then in the mod matrix set Source: On Range: about 10% Curve: Linear -> Unipolar-Linear - Control: U-Bend Destination: Oscillator 2 Pitch Now your pitch wheel will just bend Osc 2 down. You may have to tweak the Range to get the bend amount right.
Is there a way to enable the afttouch mod/mod wheel by hand? As in I don't always have my MIDI with me. When I have it I'd use the wheel since I don't have aftertouch but when I don't I'd like to draw in that automation by hand.
Well the mod wheel and AT information is recorded into the MIDI file. Z3TA is just responding to whatever info comes in. So if you're playing it live via a MIDI controller you'd have to use the mod wheel and aftertouch. If you're playing it via a midi track in your DAW, it would have to be embedded in the midi clip, which can be done by either drawing it in, or recording it with your MIDI controller.
How many voices can you give one osc on that zeta synth it's very nice btw also when I use syntorial for the filter env section I was confused at first because it taught in a way that made me think if I wanted to do filter cutoff and envelope amount It would already be like that for other synths but it's really modulating the filter right ?
Hi! great tutorial! Im trying to make it so i dont have to hold the lead note for the entire length of it. I would like to trigger the sound (with all the EG pitch shifts) by hitting the note shortly, so my hand can be free to play other parts. Is there a way to do that? Thanks.
+Syntorial A sustain pedal is not gonna work cause as i mentioned, i want to hit a note and move to play a different part (that requires the pedal). I think the best solution is to sample that note from beginning to end and set it as one shot sample. I was curious to know if there is a way to do it with the Z3eta...
A little confused when you are referring to Env 5 (aftertouch) What do you mean when you press "further in" I'm missing that whole part. I'm not hearing anything once I activate all these parameters. Please help (newbie) :)
TheDelve If your keyboard has aftertouch: press the key down like you normally would, then press harder and the key should sink a little deeper with resistance. This is aftertouch.
I don't think so. The sound uses 3 oscillators, Prophet has 2. And you need to be able to separately modulate each of those oscillators' pitches with different amounts and from different directions, which requires more sophisticated modulation options.
I'm just learning how synthesizers work and I have a question. how can James Blake have this sound playing Retrograde live ? In your video, you're using several detunes and oscillators and it seems to me that he can play this entire sound in one take. Am I wrong ?
Look at live performances, someone else plays the synth bass. James plays the organ-style patch on one synth using two hands. That leaves the bendy lead, which could be played by either 1) triggering it with his foot, or 2) He could have converted it to a sample and the drummer, who's using pads, could be triggering it
Syntorial Thanks for the quick response. I actually figured that out a short while after asking the question. 😂 I naively thought that fxp files might be universal somehow. Thanks.
Ha. We can only dream. I guess if synth programming all worked with a universal coding language and structure it would work. Maybe we should try and invent our own. ;-)
I suspect he used the classic analogue unison portamento trick to make this effect - with his Prophet 08 - as opposed to programming it in at this level. Nice to be able to program it into a soft synth tho.
Syntorial its a sawtooth unison lead sound, with high portomento. Because its analogue - when you have a long glide up to a high/lower note - all the Osc glide up at different rates - getting back in tune at the end. Another simple and fun attribute of analogue synths...Oberheims are particularly famous for this effect.
Stephen Wright Ah, that's cool. I wonder though, would you be able to make notes glide from different directions at the same time? Some from above, some from below?
Syntorial yes I would guess he multi tracked it and used a down glide on the same patch... You can hear a could of examples of this effect here (unison portomento): www.synthmania.com/ob-8.htm
Syntorial It may be the tinutus too. Nice tutorial, I tried following along in LMMS, not the same effect for the lead but I did end up with a real fat saw. I am going to need some better soft synths.
It looks so simple on a DAW yet it sounds so massive... great job!
Thank you!
you are a wizard
Harry
really authentic tutorial, great. learned alot just watching a bit. can't wait to watch whole thing tonight
this is truly genius
this is brilliantly clear, thank you
Very very helpful not only on this particular track but over all on the concept of sound designing, thank you maestro!!
You're welcome!
I created so many new patches with this idea on my sh201 :) thanks
How satisfied are you with your SH201? Thanks :)
These videos are just so brilliant. So clear to follow
Now I know how to use after touch on my MPK249! thanks!
Wondering if you could do a tutorial on the main lead sound that happens on the drop of Lorde -Tennis Court (Flume Remix) by any chance? Its such an awesome sound/group of sounds.
So complicated! But sick! Would you be willing to do this again with Logic Pro's newly integrated Alchemy synth? :)
Man, would sure love to listen to a completed ver rn :/ 23:27 - 24:00
really, really good tutorial. couldn't ask for more. you explained it perfectly. subbed, thanks
Thank you for this tutorial, I enjoyed it.
Awesome tutorial
Thank you this was an incredible tutorial
You're a guru.
Very nice tutorial..pretty good sound that..
Thanks for this tech tip!
Very helpful
Hahaha love your voice at some moments man, great video as well
Great Job,man!! A very useful tutorial!!
I remade the synth in Massive, but the organ sounds like an accordion hahaha
aaaa this is so amazing ty
awesome! Thank you
thanks for the tutorial !
You're welcome!
Awesome tutorial. The original however has the filter on the lead pitch bending synth a little more open.
Thank you Anthony Jeselnik!
great album
I tried this in massive and it's actually way easier to setup in my opinion - great tutorial though! ;)
SO helpful! Thanks! Would love to see you disect Sohn's "Lessons"... Don't know if you've heard it? Lots of interesting layers in there.
Listening to it now. Cool track.
Omg! Thank u sooooooo much!
I'm an absolute Beginner. And my first problem was, that there is no Z3A+2 to get. So I started to find a synthesizer with which I can develop a sound like this. My first finding was FRMS for IOS, but it*s difficult to get this slow rising of pitch.
Any better suggestions?
Any synth with similiar possibilities as Z3A+2?
And by the way. I would like to do your tutorial.
But it*s a lot to expensive for an absolute Beginner like me.
Actually yes he did in a prophet 08 synth
This tutorial makes me feel like I’m uncovering a politicians dirty dark secrets and every revelation is terrifying and sickening
😂 Like how I felt the first time I saw how sausage is made.
Great tutorial! Wondering if you have the presets for this (or any other tutorial) in AU compatible format? I'm using Massive in Logic. Thanks!
The presets for this tutorial are for Z3TA+ 2, which comes in AU format.
could you please please please make a tutorial video on how to do this in Serum? I keep getting stuck :/
Post a request in our forum (see description) and I'll see if I can help out.
Syntorial I've recently bought syntorial and think its great!!! I was wondering what program are you using to record your tracks into? cakewalk is what you use to create the sound but what's the other program your using?
Hey Daniel. The host software is Logic 9.
Excellent tutorial. I'm downloading the demo version as we speak!
Syntorial (or anyone else), I'm wondering if you can help me. In Cubase, when using the Spector synth, I've noticed a problem. There are certain preset sounds that I really like, and that I've tried to recreate by opening a new Spector track, re-setting everything so that I'm starting with a blank slate, and then copying all the settings that are present in the preset sound that I like. What I often find is that even when I seem to have put every possible setting exactly the same as in the preset, including the envelopes and all that stuff, something will sound very different.
For example there's a preset called 'Antichill' that has a nice tone, but for some reason it appears to be completely irreplicable when starting from a new slate. Do you know why I might be experiencing this, and how to get around it? I'd like to be able to create those sounds from scratch.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I'm not familiar with Spector, but some synths "hide" some of their parameters. So my only suggestions would be to look for those.
THX ident sound
I bought the syntorial as well, really appreciate for your hard work! I have a question, so my synth has only 2 Envelope to control 2 OSC. in this case how can I make that sound? Should I use glide? have no clue how glide works though..
You're very welcome! The sound uses 3 osc, so I think you're best bet would be to leave out the middle voice, and use your two envelopes to raise osc 1 pitch, and lower osc 2 pitch until they come together, slightly detuned.
Nice!!!!! Thank you for this. I'm going to get Syntorial and try this. I'm still very new to production. Trying to figure out Logic Pro. Quick question, do you think it's possible to use Syntorial and the techniques you've used in the video to make tracks that song similar to SOHN, FKA Twigs...? I want to really make music with that dark ethereal sound.
Great! Yes, the actual tone may differ, depending on what synths they use, but you should be able to re-create something close to many of those sounds.
Syntorial Awesome!! Can't wait to play with this!!! Don't feel so stuck anymore!
Great tutorial! Can you tell me how to assign the after touch part to another trigger? Don't have aftertouch on my keyboard. Trying to trigger it by my pitch bend wheel but can not figure out how to assign it!
Yeah that's trickier than you'd think. Here's how:
1. click the "Perform" tab at the top left, and disable pitch bend by setting Bend Up and Bend Down to 0.
2. Then in the mod matrix set
Source: On
Range: about 10%
Curve: Linear -> Unipolar-Linear -
Control: U-Bend
Destination: Oscillator 2 Pitch
Now your pitch wheel will just bend Osc 2 down. You may have to tweak the Range to get the bend amount right.
great video big ups thanks v much all love to u :3
Sounds exactly like Daft punk's Fragile synth (From Tron OST)
Is there a way to enable the afttouch mod/mod wheel by hand? As in I don't always have my MIDI with me. When I have it I'd use the wheel since I don't have aftertouch but when I don't I'd like to draw in that automation by hand.
Well the mod wheel and AT information is recorded into the MIDI file. Z3TA is just responding to whatever info comes in. So if you're playing it live via a MIDI controller you'd have to use the mod wheel and aftertouch. If you're playing it via a midi track in your DAW, it would have to be embedded in the midi clip, which can be done by either drawing it in, or recording it with your MIDI controller.
How many voices can you give one osc on that zeta synth it's very nice btw also when I use syntorial for the filter env section I was confused at first because it taught in a way that made me think if I wanted to do filter cutoff and envelope amount It would already be like that for other synths but it's really modulating the filter right ?
Z3TA goes up to 64 voices. And yes, it's modulating the filter's cutoff.
Dude thanks for that but please add the project files please.
See link in the description.
Hi! great tutorial! Im trying to make it so i dont have to hold the lead note for the entire length of it. I would like to trigger the sound (with all the EG pitch shifts) by hitting the note shortly, so my hand can be free to play other parts. Is there a way to do that? Thanks.
+yuval semo Have you tried a sustain pedal?
+Syntorial A sustain pedal is not gonna work cause as i mentioned, i want to hit a note and move to play a different part (that requires the pedal). I think the best solution is to sample that note from beginning to end and set it as one shot sample.
I was curious to know if there is a way to do it with the Z3eta...
A little confused when you are referring to Env 5 (aftertouch) What do you mean when you press "further in" I'm missing that whole part.
I'm not hearing anything once I activate all these parameters.
Please help (newbie) :)
TheDelve If your keyboard has aftertouch: press the key down like you normally would, then press harder and the key should sink a little deeper with resistance. This is aftertouch.
The link in the description doesn't work, so I used the force to guess it. www.syntorial.com/tutorial_retrograde.php/ims=bauzq
Thanks Alvin. Actually it's www.syntorial.com/tutorial_retrograde.php?ims=bauzw (there's a ? instead of / near the end)
Syntorial thanks :) that wouldn't work for me earlier but does now! great tutorial :)
dont you know hot to use aftertouch in fl studio? no tutorial about that in the web(
Would it be possible to recreate this patch on a Prophet 10?
I don't think so. The sound uses 3 oscillators, Prophet has 2. And you need to be able to separately modulate each of those oscillators' pitches with different amounts and from different directions, which requires more sophisticated modulation options.
I'm just learning how synthesizers work and I have a question. how can James Blake have this sound playing Retrograde live ? In your video, you're using several detunes and oscillators and it seems to me that he can play this entire sound in one take. Am I wrong ?
Look at live performances, someone else plays the synth bass. James plays the organ-style patch on one synth using two hands. That leaves the bendy lead, which could be played by either 1) triggering it with his foot, or 2) He could have converted it to a sample and the drummer, who's using pads, could be triggering it
Hi, do you have an update on the fxp files as I have tried loading them into serum with no joy. Great tutorial btw.
Hi George. The synth used in this video is Z3TA+ 2, not Serum, so the fxp files aren't going to work in Serum.
Syntorial Thanks for the quick response. I actually figured that out a short while after asking the question. 😂 I naively thought that fxp files might be universal somehow. Thanks.
I wish. If someone figures out how to automatically port presets from synth to synth......$$$$$$$$$$
Ha. We can only dream. I guess if synth programming all worked with a universal coding language and structure it would work. Maybe we should try and invent our own. ;-)
Can you do one on the synth harp sound on guilt trip by kanye west
Hi Miguel. Feel free to request it on our forum (link at the bottom of description). Either I or a fellow Syntorian will help you out.
I suspect he used the classic analogue unison portamento trick to make this effect - with his Prophet 08 - as opposed to programming it in at this level. Nice to be able to program it into a soft synth tho.
Not sure I know that trick. How does it work?
Syntorial
its a sawtooth unison lead sound, with high portomento. Because its analogue - when you have a long glide up to a high/lower note - all the Osc glide up at different rates - getting back in tune at the end. Another simple and fun attribute of analogue synths...Oberheims are particularly famous for this effect.
Stephen Wright Ah, that's cool. I wonder though, would you be able to make notes glide from different directions at the same time? Some from above, some from below?
Syntorial
yes I would guess he multi tracked it and used a down glide on the same patch...
You can hear a could of examples of this effect here (unison portomento): www.synthmania.com/ob-8.htm
Stephen Wright Oh wow that is HUGE sounding. Makes me want one. :)
presets will not load
SUDDENLY I'M HIT
I keep getting a "error loading program" message in ZETA any advice to fix this?
Does this happen when you try to load a specific preset, or all presets?
Just the programs that I downloaded for this song
I just tested them on the latest Z3TA and they loaded without error. What version of Z3ta are you running? And are you on Mac or PC?
PC but I know that isn't the problem.
Just not sure what could be causing it. Let me go find the version #
looks like 2.2.2
how would one recreate the main pad in SHE by Tyler the Creator
so 3 oscillators 1 filter is technically paraphonic
For some reason I can see James Blake watching this video and thinking "Wow this shit is hard I did with a synth bank"
+Plazmer Doubt it
Not really considering he was a dubstep producer before he started the singing career.
yes
I can't hear the sub bass.
+Night_Fiend6 What speakers are you listening on?
Macbook, go figure.
+Night_Fiend6 Yeah. You'll need regular speakers, or over-the-ear headphones to hear those real low frequencies.
Syntorial
It may be the tinutus too. Nice tutorial, I tried following along in LMMS, not the same effect for the lead but I did end up with a real fat saw.
I am going to need some better soft synths.
ehhh