How Accurate is FGO's Jason?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2024
- How well does Fate/Grand Order portray Jason, Captain of the Argo? How close is Jason's in-game version to his mythological counterpart? In this video we delve into his character design, in-game skills, and characterization in order to determine that, followed up by giving it a grade in terms of its accuracy to the source material. Was Jason truly a self-important ship captain who was deeply flawed yet could have moments of brilliance? Find out here!
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00:00 Intro
00:15 Class
01:03 Character Design
02:44 Skillset
05:03 Noble Phantasm
05:57 Craft Essence
06:41 Valentines CE
06:55 Jason in Greek Myth
08:07 Jason and Heracles
08:43 Colchis, Medea, and Jason's Fall
12:11 Jason in FGO
13:04 Okeanos
13:56 Atlantis
15:25 Characterization Summary
17:05 Conclusion
18:01 Final Grade - เกม
Imagine getting a lower grade in historical/mythological accuracy just because you became a more likeable character. Suffering from success
In his final ascension the guy on the left is Hercules.Although it doesn’t completely match any of his ascensions, it has the same style.Also the skin tone and bracelet.
I'd wager it's non-Zerk Herc
@@aredjayc2858probably
Yeah its herc without Mad Enhancement
It could be Alcades
hay differently Archer Hercules you can see a glimpse of the similarities in the heaven fell movie when shirou uses 9 lives blade works and in fake strange faker right before he becoming Alcades/ Alter version of himself
I always find it hilarious how Jason's patron Goddess was THE Goddess of Marriage and Family and then he proceeded to cheat on his wife.. like bro.. if there is 1 thing... ONE.. that you should not do when Hera is watching you, it's reminding her about her husband's infidelity. what a clown
As I said... not his brightest move. XD
It's impressive how they managed to redeem Jason in Lostbelt 5.
He can be a narcissistic coward, but when push comes to shove he's the right guy for the job, and you can see why even with people like Atalanta, Medea, Heracles, Theseus , Perseus and other much more powerful heroes on the team, he was the one in command.
He honestly became my favorite dirtbag.
Kinda hard to be considered a rider if you're killed by your own ride.
Wahaha.
In Ancient Greek,
You don't Ride you're Mount's
Instead
You're Mount's Rides You.
@@bimoprasetyo6862 In Death!
I personally like jason's legend, because he wasn't a demigod born with great powers but rather was blessed by Hera being one of her few chosen heroes because of his kindness in helping an old lady cross a river, her in disguised if i remember right. He managed to do the impossible because of his past kindess and got through difficult times with the trust he placed in his crew. I loved how much closer to a layman jason felt as a hero, and how he fell was a logical point where due to his own actions of no longer being the good man he used to be everything came crashing down. I really love the fgo depiction because it changes jason in ways that while making him seem less good, fits his character in his later life, and infact makes him a far better hero because he fights against incredible odds that he can't possibly contend with and shows the good man his early life in his legend was supposed to portray.
The thing I love the most about Jason in FGO is the running gag of him being absolutely terrified of Medea. It’s a detail that is really only possible because of how Servants work. Whenever I get the option to antagonize Jason with it, I always go for it and get hilarious reactions.
In later parts of FGO, it's kinda implied that Medea doesn't absolutely despise him. She talks to him like how an ex-wife talks to her former spouse.
It's also interesting that he looks at Medea in fear but looks at her Lily in regret.
To be fair, Medea is scary AF.
@@CrazyYurie Yup. She is absolutely not someone you want to piss off.
Makes you wonder how Jason would react upon finding out Circe is Medea's aunt?
Just played through Atlantis. I really liked what they did to Jason there, a rare case where they actually take a joke-ish character and actually gave him a chance.
1:46 My theory for the wings is that they are manifested from the Golden Fleece. It came from a golden-woolled flying ram, who is sometimes described or depicted as having wings. Granted, it's not the case in ancient art (as far as I can find), so it's seemingly a more modern invention. But Spartoi (Dragon Tooth Warriors) weren't skeletons in ancient sources either, so more modern depictions are fair game for Fate.
They did such a good job with Jason
The fact that he is a bundle of opposites and issues adds so much to when he really does buckle down and do what needs to be done
I also like that he and Medea still have a fairly "friendly" relationship despite everything
a sort of situation where Jason knows he did so much wrong that he can't really apologize for so he doesn't and Medea seeming to have kind if forgiven him to some degree even without an apology (though that might be because she is one of the few greek women that actually gets some kinda of "happy" ending also maybe cause she knows his actions eventually caught up with him)
Also the changes are to put him inline with Shinji Matou I believe idk if there is any official evidence of that or just a feeling off the top of my head I just remember hearing that somewhere and it makes a lot of sense
Thinking about it now, even though adult Medea has shown that she doesn’t think highly of Jason, she still looks out for him whenever trouble arises. This can be clearly seen in the Final Singularity and the Caren Valentine event. It kinda hints that she still cares somewhat about him, or is at least willing to put her feelings aside for a greater purpose.
@@darkstorm2579 exactly even if she was "forced" onto the Argo initially they did go through a lot together and it wasn't all terrible
Yeah thats Herc in the final ascension. Its funny you thought his literal armor like muscles were indeed an armor.
It... looks like armor. O_O
My main takeaway from every Greek myth ever: NEVER get involved with the Greek Gods. It never ends well for anyone involved. That said, I'm looking forward to Medea getting a video at some point. I think her story prompts a pretty interesting discussion that Fate dives head first into occasionally about free will, since it can be debated how much of what she did was of her own choice, and how much she was forced into by Ero's power altering her mind
Indeed. Medea is an interesting case. Just how much were her actions influenced? Was she made to be that brutal, or was she always like that? Questions exist.
it's also a small detail that the miniature Argo (Valentine CE) is a nod to FGO's Medea's hobby of creating model ship. She even helped on creating the miniature Argo iirc.
When it comes to myth I like to interpret divine intervention, lineage, blessings, or machinations as the interpretation the people that made the myths. FGO Jason's skill "Inspiration at Death's Door" is, in my opinion, more accurate to what would have been the real ability of Jason. To the people, Jason's cleverness and ability to survive was so great it was practically divine intervention.
the fact that Heracles is thought of the best is because in the early "side-missions" the argonauts face during their voyage happen when he steps out from the group like going to pick up lumber and the ordeals the argonauts face end when he returns and whatever or whoever is making trouble fucks off at the first sight of him
I'd like to point out the B++ Rank on Jason's third Skill and NP (even tho I think I already did so in a comment on a previous video), and how fitting they are. + and - in ranks are not intermediary ranks (at least not in lore), and are instead conditionals, where each + being a multiplier for it, so a D+ for instance would be a D most of the time, but in a certain situation could be up to the strength of B rank. B+++ (the rank of Jason's NP after his interlude), while being a B rank usually, can be more powerful than Excalibur if the situation is right. his Skill is stronger based on the presence of Argo allies, and his NP is dependent on the way his crew sees him, but if they see him positively he can be an absolute powerhouse (again, surpassing Artoria's Excalibur).
In his final ascension the armor decorations look like peacock feathers... And being the peacock Hera's symbol (I think)...
By the way not the first time in the Fate franchise that famous heroes are depicted as not that great without the help of gods: in Fate/hollow ataraxia Medusa talked sh*t about Perseus, since he had 5 borrowed divine constructs to help defeating her...
If there is one emotional weakness I have in regards to deaths it's those who die while expressing regret. This definitely applies to Jason because while he did make some mistakes, you could also say that he still tried to make the best of the lot he was given in life. I respect that and so his final end, carved into his spirit origin, is a tragedy that I grieve for on the same level as Okita and Ushiwaka.
I think you're downplaying just how capable Jason's mythological counterpart is, he has proven to be a good leader and strong warrior (by normal human standards at least) the reason why he relies so much on "divine intervention" is because he has literally been given tasks wich were meant to be impossible and not to forget he is just a dude. Overall great video i only disagree with the part where you claim his Fate counterpart to be more capable
I once stated that Jason could be a candidate for Grand Rider
Well… he has the nothing-to-sneeze-at ability of riding in the coattails of the Grand figures around him than him (and I say this with all bulling love of the world lol).
I do think that his summoning in Okeanos (and by extension Solomon) is as Rider, but that's just a hypothesis based on the difference in his design. It's also different in that the only Argonauts who seem to respond to his call no matter what are Heracles and Medea Lily, so he might have used it in Okeanos, but passively instead of active, or even as a Rider the Argo itself could be part of the Noble Phantasm, and not just his crew.
now i am curious about something. from what i learned about Fate is that servants who have multiple classes (not including special events or holiday events) have a different mindset, different personality or both. so i am curious if we give Jason a lancer or rider class, how would said classes affect his personality and mindset such as making him regret his actions and treatment of others like his kingdom and fellow argonauts and that he wishes for redemption in there eyes. just something i was thinking about when i first saw Jason and how Medea and Atalanta speak about him and treat him
That's Heracles in his FA, I'd wager it's a sane (non-Berserker) Herc given his smaller size and his body moreso resembling the brief glimpse of Archer Herc from Strange Fake
Also rarity doesn't correlate with power, see Asclepius being a 3 Star vs Nightingale being a 5 Star
I adore these types of FGO videos whats always intrested me in this game is the character history and story and how fgo altered them. One servant whos also one of my faves Murasaki Shikibu ive always wanted to know about but havent seemed to find much substance, would love if you did a video on her but either way i love this content keep it up!
I plan to cover Murasaki one day! :D
I love his character development on LB5. It made me emotional on his conclusion tho.
What I love about Jason in FGO (after his revival, Okeanos doesn't count) is that he has a strong instinct of survival. His antics make it seem like he is a coward, but what I see is someone who knows their flaws, can recognize the talents of others and is smart enough to take decisions that will keep him alive and bring him success. Not saying he won't brag about any of this and take credits (the one part I don't like about him lol) though...
His redemption arc in Atlantis was beautiful.
Maybe I'm reading all of that wrong of course, I just like the man, he is relatable to me. I wish he wasn't a jerk but at the same time, it would make him less funny to bully...
Heck that character trait of him recognizing other people’s abilities was in full force even in the Final Singularity where he told Hector and Medea Lily to focus on supporting Heracles rather than protecting himself as he knew that Heracles was their best shot of keeping the Demon Pillars occupied.
Yay you started talking aboute Valentine CEs as I and many other proposed to you long ago)
On the left side is Herucles. Not the berserker one but the Herucles from Fate/Strange Fake
Medea deserved so much better, even if I like the rascal.
That's definitely Heracles/Alcides/True Archer. Skin tone's the same, and Madness Enhancement (Enchantment?)'s changes to his body were mostly just making him look more brutishly jacked and bestial, he was already a gigantic tank of a man with slabs of muscle. God, when are we gonna get him in FGO already? I love Greek mythos, and the fact that he's one of the like four Berserkers who's entirely incapable of communicating 'normally' at all is hell. Granted, I could also say that for Lu Bu, as a fan of ROT3K, too...
Lu Bu... that's someone I have words to say about, as a fellow fan of ROT3K.
@@CrazyYurie The representation for it's sorely lacking in Fate, but at least it's slowly getting fixed...very, very, very slowly...Zhou Yu's a nice addition, but like...Red Hare as his own? Seriously? How do we not even have any of the three brothers, yet? You can even throw in a gag with Liu Bei about how he's the patron saint of cobblers or whatever.
For all his flaws he always brings a lot of fun whenever he shows up in the story. I think the developers delivered pretty well here for what could have been an incredibly flat character.
I really like Jason for the sole fact that I read The Iliad as a kid. I had forgotten most of the plot, but still remembered the feelings I felt when reading his adventures. My fascination with his exploits, made even better by the greatly detailed imagery accompanying it, and how sad I felt at his ironic death. Reading his heroics in Atlantis, his interactions with other characters, and Fate’s rendition of his canonical death made me feel those same emotions all over again. It was so nostalgic. And as someone who forgot most of what I read of the OF story, the lore inaccuracy didn’t bother me from enjoying his character. It feels like seeing a completely new side of him. If anything, it piqued my interest in reading the original Iliad again, to see how much of a crafty protagonist and loser the original Jason was lol. So kudos to Higashide (writer of Jason)! I think he did a good job.
Hot take but Atlantis was better than Olympus. The FGO journey on the Argos was amazing. Although Olympus had a really cool last boss fight.
Honestly? I agree with you.
I can agree with you on that
Not really a hot take. It lines up with surveys done by JP, where Atlantis got third place, slightly behind LB7 and far behind LB6. Olympus didn't even reach top 10.
Personally I don't separate the two. The 5th Lostbelt is at it's best as one continuous story that just keeps escalating the further you get in.
The Jason in fgo, especially the Okeanos version, is actually largely based off of an Athenian play of his story where he is much more of a buttmonkey than in the original legend, also in the original myth he doesn't make the decision to abandon Medea lightly, a king from a neighbouring country who had taken the both of them in promises his support but only if Jason married the king's daughter, Jason took a long time to agree with this and beforehand made sure that Medea and their 3 children lived in comfort in a mansion with many servants, however Medea still got pissy about it and stabbed their kids to death and made a poisoned bridal gown for the princess (we even see a similar dress in Stay Night)
Also technically you've been pronouncing Jason's name wrong the entire time lol, originally his name was spelled Iason however, and this is just me speculating, in early Germanic languages J and I were pronounced pretty much the same and his name was written both ways, by the time modern English had developed only the J version remained which by then was of course pronounced differently, we can actually still see this in modern German where the letters are still pronounced the same and both Jason and Iason are still used, though Jason is still the more popular spelling of his name
The joke theory around the time Jason first came out in JP was that he wasn't able to qualify for any other classes due to how laughably weak he was, and Saber just happened to be the bare minimum for him to count as a servant.
This might just be me, but the silver bits on his 3rd ascension remind me of peacock tail feathers, which would make sense as in his myth he was blessed by Hera.
I think that fgo did Jason dirty, he was indeed a bit of a scumbag, but by no means an incompetent. He did use a lot of help, but he was successful in leading an extremely dangerous expedition without any special power of his own. I think he could have been way scarier as a charismatic manipulator, who may lack brawn or magic powers, but can sweet talk anyone into doing his bidding. I like the comedic spin though. Medea among the two is the scariest though, talk about a yandere girlfriend...
I was taken aback by just how much violence Medea got up to. :o
5:40 I thought the reason was that all the Argo Servants He summoned died in Antlantis and in Olympus? Especially when his crew, especially Heracles, died?
He did say Okeanos, which is the third singularity, not Atlantis or Olympus. But I get you, 90% of Okeanos was forgettable anyway.
Unless I’m missing something from what you’re saying, the timestamp you shared was referring to Okeanos, the third singularity of FGO’s first arc: Observer on Timeless Temple, where Jason was considered the main antagonist and not to Atlantis.
The incident in Atlantis/Olympus is both unrelated to this moment (outside of Jason’s memories and newly formed ptsd) and happens later in the timeline.
Grand Saber: Darth Vader
Grand Assassin: Ezio Auditore
Grand Berserker: Kratos
I love that you were talking about how much of a coward Jason is while the background was him defending his friends honor by insulting a poseidon powered divine servant
I was referring to Okeanos, not Atlantis.
It’s amusing to think about the idea of Jason being one of the few Greek hero’s to have enough common sense to realize being a Greek hero sucks and is detrimental to one’s physical mental and emotions health.
It absolutely does suck. So few of them got happy endings. :o
I have been binge watching all of your videos and man, you deserve more viewers. I love your takes on the Servants and your video structure. I learned so much more watching you than my self study. Love your content and keep it up! You have my sub.
About this video, Jason is one of my most favorite character in terms of story, alongside Morgan and Caster Altria. And I honestly agree with your verdict. He may not have the power like some overpowered Servants, but he makes up with his tactics, charisma, resourcefulness and perseverance. Till this day, I still remember his noble sacrifice in the Atlantis. Everytime I see the reward CE when you beat Atlantis, it brings me to tears.
Thank you! :D
Jason will forever be a lovable dirtbag for me.
Jason's third skill should be applicable to the Neo-Argonauts upon completing lostbelt 5.1
Black armor guy in Jason's final ascension is Heracles right
Great video! You don't know how much I wanted to see someone explain the real life counterpart of fgo servants, can't wait for you to go through my favorite servants
Oh? Who are your favorites?
@@CrazyYurie oh there's many, but off the top of my head Scáthach, Cú Chulainn, Charlemagne, Jeanne d'Arc and other french/Celtic origin servants
@@notrealsaga I've done Jeanne d'Arc! Check the channel page for the playlist! :D
In the final ascension Jason right is Heracles more specifically archer Heracles the fate strange fake and the final ascension do line up very well
I really disliked Jason in Okeanos but he became one of my favorites in Atlantis.
I actually haven't read much about him outside of FGO so this is very insightful, thank you! I didn't know he got so much help from gods during his quest. I just kinda assumed he was just a really good leader and that's why he succeeded.
I kinda want to see a singularity or Lost Belt where he dose become a king.
11:34 i’d like to say that you forgot depression because I mean think about it you gone through many dangerous situations that could have killed you to attain your dream of being a king and your team who had been with you since the start of the journey disbanded after you complete the quest and just when your about to become king just to find out that your journey was pointless and you never became king but just to make things worse you and your yandere girlfriend get exiled because same girlfriend killed the previous king the one put on that quest in the first place you see what I’m saying is when he got exiled he was undoubtably feeling depression and Jason just made things even worse poor Jason I kinda feel bad for him also i like to mention good on the video I really like it hope you more videos like this in the future.
Also can you please do Nero I like to see how the fate version is compared to the real life version.
Thats Heracles in the back
this new YT feature of several subnails is f-ing my brain and gaslighting me
Subnails? Maybe I've not seen it yet...
@@CrazyYurie wait you mean you didn't make Jason on blue background and its my brain's creation? He always was on yellow?
@@ReCursedy Um... you mean for this video? I did make the background more yellow. I change the color each time - though some changes are slighter than others.
@@CrazyYurie huh then i realy did imagined it. There is new feature in YT where creators can rotate 3 different subnails on a video and YT gives statistic of wich performed the best on clicks. And now some videos have those rotating subnails and i don't know if it changed or I imagined it and its just my mind. Its a cool feature but it can realy confuse me
@@ReCursedy I don't know anything about this feature.
i think that's hercules in jason's final ascension, and if i'm right, that wouldn't be armor, but muscle
Can you please do Hercules (berserker and archer/avenger)
Check the Community Tab for the polls! Heracles was high on an earlier poll, so he is actually coming soon!
Will you do a video on Beowulf?
One day, yes!
Heracles
i would say jason is better in fgo since the greek gods in fate are much much worse than they are in greek myths. really overall nasu says gods suck
I don't know about that. The Greek gods in the original myths are quite awful.
I kinda like to imagine even Alaya cant stand Jason and hates his gutz so he is NEVER allowed to be summoned as a Rider and is always a pathetic joke of a servant in some form.
Jason either die as a captain or live long enough to be killed by his own ship and crew. Still its a good depiction of jason in fgo
We take a B, Muramasa fans stay angry.
Wait, what's wrong with Muramasa? :o
@@CrazyYurieHe's a competing Arts Saber farmer. In practice, of course, he more or less wipes the floor with Jason in terms of gameplay (The only way Jason comes out on top is in his meager support and his snowballing, as his Arts buff on NP starts at 20% rather than Muramasa's 10). I just like Jason more tho.
@@giladmachluf3663 Ah, Gotcha. I think I even have someone on my support list whose comment is "Fk Muramasa Jason is Better" XD
Wanted to say a fun little fact about FGO Jason...
Then i realise i know 0 fact about him
Jason make shinji looklike saint
Mmm... I don't agree. Shinji Matou is worse.
I personally see Okeanos Jason is the Rider more myth accurate Jason. While Saber is the Counter Force making him more reliable and resourcesful after taking him to the back and giving him a threat and pep talk.
The first Nick Fury
How accurate is fgo Siegfried
Spoiler: NOT.AT.ALL
I am planning to do Siegfried later on. Specifically after the release of Traum on NA.
@@CrazyYurie as a Servant Siegfried hurts my soul because of how they watered him down and made him the worst part of his legend not to mention hoe it effects kriemhild who's entire story could be ended with the truth
It's the reason a I loath the apocrypha author and will bear anything they write the lowest regard unless it's a 10 masterpiece
@@CrazyYurieI mean outside of fgo he has one skill when he should have more and even his np is bad because it has something it shoudnt seriously it's like the author looked at him and stripped him of 90% of everything he should have and in rewriting his position in the story he even denies him a skill that would benefit his detriment for the np this causes me to absolutely loath the writer because Siegfried was just made to be a glorified sacrifice to sieg and it pisses me off