Flap 1: “I’m telling you, a tomato is botanically considered a fruit! It has seeds inside a nutrient-dense case!” Flap 2: “Okay, then put it in a fruit salad!” Captain: “Yeah, we need to head back.”
14:35 I think tower said "gonna chock your wheels", i.e. put the rubber stops on them as a groundside parking brake, which is of course the norm at gates but very unusual for a "routine" brake check after a hot landing. I mean, it's logical, it's just very very unusual for them to actually do that.
They will chock the nose wheel so that the parking brakes can be released. The brakes cool much faster when the parking brake is released. Nobody is going to walk up to the main wheels with hot brakes just incase a fuse plug on a tire lets loose.
@@mikedeal3466 Good point, but I was told it's better , if possible, to keep rolling slowly to prevent the wheel from fusing or welding to the brake assembly. This is of course if the fuse plug hasn't blown already. The thermal camera should be able to catch the temperature as it is rotating. Your thoughts?
@@bobteter4300 My last 24 years flying, I was on the B747-422. I flew SFO-SYD turns for several years. 13 hours into 15.5 hr flight to SYD, ECAM gave us a rev fail warning. We landed with no reversers in SYD on an amber alert. We rolled off the runway and stopped on the taxi way with ARF scanning our very smokey brakes. According to the FLT manual, we had to stay stationary till our brakes cooled to a certain point, then when could be towed, provided we did not use brakes.
@@mikedeal3466 Thanks. Sounds like a great career. My "reference" was an old 727 training video by the chief pilot at Northwest. The video, from the 1970s, was to show the increase in landing distance as you tack on extra knots above Vref. They shot the video (movie) in Montana, but I don't remember if it was Billings or Missoula. The last segment of the video was to demonstrate how short a distance the 27 could be put down. I forgot what the distance was, but I remember it was really short. I do remember him commenting on the smoking nose wheel and said "this is probably the only time the nose wheel brakes have ever been engaged". He also made the comment that they kept it moving to prevent the wheels from locking up. It was a long time ago and I don't remember the chief pilots name any longer. Thanks for the response.
In the Boeing world flap disagree is very different than flap asymmetry. It simply means the flaps haven't moved to the position commanded by the flap handle. Soon after moving to the 75/76 we experienced a "flap disagree" on climb-out after selecting flaps 0 (up). The Captain was experienced and he reached over and thumped the flap handle down into the detent. The fault cleared and we continued the flight. After landing he wrote up the flap handle sensor. Years later, with a new Captain we were climbing out of KPHL in a 75 and after selecting flaps up we had a "flaps disagree" EICAS message. I thumped the handle down and it went out. Again, we continued and concluded the flight uneventfully. We made a similar logbook write-up. I have no knowledge of the cause of this flight's "flaps disagree" EICAS message but I wonder how many flights were discontinued because a sensor was out of rig.
If you're going to have an issue where you have to turn back and cancel your flight, I can't think of a much better one than a flight from Hawaii back to the mainland...
That entire sequence of ATC left me... wanting. I get it, trying to be helpful, but some self importance and bad instructions made this aircrews work more difficult.
"United 362 Heavy, do you have an idea how long... an estimate of how long you'll be dumping fuel?" "It'll be about the next 30 minutes, United 362 Heavy. " "...You can't give me an estimate for another 30 minutes?"
"Holding south-west of ALANA means inbound course 045, doesn't it?" ATC must give you a point to hold at, the inbound radial to hold on, the side of the fix to hold and which direction of turn.
As a non-pilot, I have a question: Why do so many pilots and flight controllers often speak so amazingly fast? If I didn’t have the text I’d often have no idea what they said. It must be especially difficult for foreign pilots to understand.
Perhaps it evaporates, I hope that. BUT, before I started to watch at Atc emergencies, flying aircrafts mean to me: holidays, trips, adventures. Now my FIRST thought is dumping fuel😅
Flaps Disagreement sounds so very British. Hold on old chap, are you at 5 or 15? I’m at 15. Have you been eating cucumber sandwiches again? Didn’t you hear the captain? How dare you… I would never eat a cucumber sandwich before having my cup of tea… Did you say tea? Earl Grey with a splash of milk please. Sure but I didn’t bring a kettle with me… Can’t take you anywhere old flap… don’t worry we have a stove and I have a pan-pan…
"disagree" is a common aviation word, even here in the states. "gear disagree" is the most common place to hear it, but it's also common in flaps/slats or even more direct flight controls like aileron, rudder, elevator. or for that matter instrumentation, airspeed disagree was the root cause which brought down the two 737MAXs, not to mention AFR447.
At that altitude it all evaporates anyway and turns into a very tiny portion of a very tiny portion of the natural evaporation of hydrocarbons on this planet. A waste, sure, but this was an emergency. They don't do that unless they have to.
If the whole pilot thing doesn't work out he can always be a radio DJ.
Flap 1: “I’m telling you, a tomato is botanically considered a fruit! It has seeds inside a nutrient-dense case!”
Flap 2: “Okay, then put it in a fruit salad!”
Captain: “Yeah, we need to head back.”
Haha made me giggle 😂
Well done video, as usual. Thanks.
Thank you 😊
Professionalism 100
14:35 I think tower said "gonna chock your wheels", i.e. put the rubber stops on them as a groundside parking brake, which is of course the norm at gates but very unusual for a "routine" brake check after a hot landing. I mean, it's logical, it's just very very unusual for them to actually do that.
They will chock the nose wheel so that the parking brakes can be released. The brakes cool much faster when the parking brake is released. Nobody is going to walk up to the main wheels with hot brakes just incase a fuse plug on a tire lets loose.
@@mikedeal3466 Like I said, it's totally logical, and also totally rare lol
@@mikedeal3466 Good point, but I was told it's better , if possible, to keep rolling slowly to prevent the wheel from fusing or welding to the brake assembly. This is of course if the fuse plug hasn't blown already. The thermal camera should be able to catch the temperature as it is rotating. Your thoughts?
@@bobteter4300 My last 24 years flying, I was on the B747-422. I flew SFO-SYD turns for several years. 13 hours into 15.5 hr flight to SYD, ECAM gave us a rev fail warning. We landed with no reversers in SYD on an amber alert. We rolled off the runway and stopped on the taxi way with ARF scanning our very smokey brakes. According to the FLT manual, we had to stay stationary till our brakes cooled to a certain point, then when could be towed, provided we did not use brakes.
@@mikedeal3466 Thanks. Sounds like a great career. My "reference" was an old 727 training video by the chief pilot at Northwest. The video, from the 1970s, was to show the increase in landing distance as you tack on extra knots above Vref. They shot the video (movie) in Montana, but I don't remember if it was Billings or Missoula. The last segment of the video was to demonstrate how short a distance the 27 could be put down. I forgot what the distance was, but I remember it was really short. I do remember him commenting on the smoking nose wheel and said "this is probably the only time the nose wheel brakes have ever been engaged". He also made the comment that they kept it moving to prevent the wheels from locking up. It was a long time ago and I don't remember the chief pilots name any longer. Thanks for the response.
13:18 cleared for takeoff 😁
🤣
Sweet Jesus, is there someone else there I can talk to, over?
Wow, didn't need the captions for once.
Note that they used 8R for the return, which is the "reef runway" (12,000 feet).
most of it was at 10k feet, then down to 9k for fuel dumping
Clear and concise
The same exact aircraft doing the same flight to Newark just diverted back to Honolulu again today
In the Boeing world flap disagree is very different than flap asymmetry. It simply means the flaps haven't moved to the position commanded by the flap handle. Soon after moving to the 75/76 we experienced a "flap disagree" on climb-out after selecting flaps 0 (up). The Captain was experienced and he reached over and thumped the flap handle down into the detent. The fault cleared and we continued the flight. After landing he wrote up the flap handle sensor. Years later, with a new Captain we were climbing out of KPHL in a 75 and after selecting flaps up we had a "flaps disagree" EICAS message. I thumped the handle down and it went out. Again, we continued and concluded the flight uneventfully. We made a similar logbook write-up. I have no knowledge of the cause of this flight's "flaps disagree" EICAS message but I wonder how many flights were discontinued because a sensor was out of rig.
If you're going to have an issue where you have to turn back and cancel your flight, I can't think of a much better one than a flight from Hawaii back to the mainland...
I use 362 from Honolulu, love the non stop aspect of the flight.
Love the view of Waikiki climbing out.
Great and incamulated ATC Job !!!!
Center controller talks nice and slow. Nice to see for once.
dam I didn't know a 767 could fly that far non stop.
Many pilots have perfect radio voices.
honolulu atc sound so friendly :)
That entire sequence of ATC left me... wanting. I get it, trying to be helpful, but some self importance and bad instructions made this aircrews work more difficult.
"United 362 Heavy, do you have an idea how long... an estimate of how long you'll be dumping fuel?"
"It'll be about the next 30 minutes, United 362 Heavy. "
"...You can't give me an estimate for another 30 minutes?"
Holding south-west of ALANA means inbound course 045, doesn't it?
Roughly.
"Holding south-west of ALANA means inbound course 045, doesn't it?"
ATC must give you a point to hold at, the inbound radial to hold on, the side of the fix to hold and which direction of turn.
They sounded like old friends 😅😅😅😅
NY Approach they are not! :)
This wasn't an overweight landing.
Yes it was, the 767 can only dump from the center tanks, not the wing tanks, so you can completely empty the center and still be over weight
As a non-pilot, I have a question: Why do so many pilots and flight controllers often speak so amazingly fast? If I didn’t have the text I’d often have no idea what they said. It must be especially difficult for foreign pilots to understand.
Because we understand each other and know what to listen for.
I wonder what the EPA thinks about them dumping that much raw fuel straight into the ocean...
It evaporates long before any reaches the surface.
Perhaps it evaporates, I hope that. BUT, before I started to watch at Atc emergencies, flying aircrafts mean to me: holidays, trips, adventures. Now my FIRST thought is dumping fuel😅
At that altitude, you can dump fuel and it will evaporate before it reaches the ocean. At least all of the former Continental 767s have fuel dumping.
Flaps Disagreement sounds so very British.
Hold on old chap, are you at 5 or 15?
I’m at 15. Have you been eating cucumber sandwiches again? Didn’t you hear the captain?
How dare you… I would never eat a cucumber sandwich before having my cup of tea…
Did you say tea? Earl Grey with a splash of milk please.
Sure but I didn’t bring a kettle with me…
Can’t take you anywhere old flap… don’t worry we have a stove and I have a pan-pan…
"disagree" is a common aviation word, even here in the states. "gear disagree" is the most common place to hear it, but it's also common in flaps/slats or even more direct flight controls like aileron, rudder, elevator. or for that matter instrumentation, airspeed disagree was the root cause which brought down the two 737MAXs, not to mention AFR447.
@@UnshavenStatue l'm still in shock that none of the dialogue was delivered in a female voice 😔
@@UnshavenStatue It's ok my guy, comedy just isn't for you. It's not fair but not all of us are born with a sense of humour and I'm sorry about that.
Dumping fuel for 30 minutes :( Makes me sad for like 20 reasons. Yuck.
the world has a lot of sky and fuel dumping dissipates and makes up 0.00000000000000000000001% of the sky.
Zak, go touch grass. Everything's going to be fine.
At that altitude it all evaporates anyway and turns into a very tiny portion of a very tiny portion of the natural evaporation of hydrocarbons on this planet. A waste, sure, but this was an emergency. They don't do that unless they have to.