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My Great grandfather Martin servived this by clinging to a floating door in the water. It has been said that he was not able to swim. All the money he had worked together he got rid of. He had sewn them into his vest, when he was rescued they took off the clothes. about a year after the accident, my grandfather was born. A couple of months before he passed away many years later, he threw away the only thing he had left of the ship, which was his key to his travel coffin, and is told he have said "the damn coffin I will probably never see again" They was poor so saved and reused everything. Anyway make you think about your own existence if he not had managed to survive.
This was 3/4 century ago but more recently a modern freight vessel sunk so fast that they did not even leave a radio message and disappeared with no trace. The ship had been improperly loaded with some compartment full of iron ore and other left empty causing huge lever effect in the steel hull. When the storm hit, the big waves occasionally lifted the bow of the boat out of water then slamming it down, this caused structural fracture and one of the front compartement started taking water. From then on the water level crept up as one after another compartment filled with water from the top cap not being water tight as waves slammed over the deck and the crew didn't even notice until when they did they probably only had a few minutes left before it sank. Not Titannic, no old ships, but in the 1990's. Since then I believe they added another water tight layer to each compartment so that even if the hull fractured it would not take water and made the freight loading caps watertight (? no sure on that one). The horrid part for the crew was that it happened during a two days long non stop storm, they slept their next night at the bottom of the sea. They sunk while the sea was in full storm.
The lesson from this, as I have noticed in my own life, is that almost everytime an accident has started to happen, we project our mind forward in time seeing the catastrophy already on a unstoppable course when it isn't, this usually causes additional mistakes from panic that are the ones that make it so. Even for a simple even like loosing grip of an object, we envision the object falling and breaking on the ground and we jerk our hand actually causing the real downfall. Another mistake as what cpt Kendal did is to also think the outcome is ineluctable and not do mitigating action that could reduce the severity of the accident (not closing water tight doors). Therefore two behaviors are important : 1. Never let your mind go ape and act purely from fear or panic, learn to use rational thinking even when in total fear. 2. Don't give up even after the brain tells you all is lost. Try to rethink another way of action.
The thing is, the watertight doors wouldn't have changed anything. Like a lot of liners at the time, they had longitudinal bulkheads running along the sides of the ship, serving as coal bunkers, and they ran the length of the ships middle, with no breaks. As soon as water got in them, those bulkheads would flood and the ship would list substantially. Additionally, in the case of the Empress, portholes were open too and that got water into the other parts of the ship quickly.
It might slow down the sinking though. But you are right that it would cause a list. Another major problem was the design of closing the doors. No way a sailor would be able to have three minutes to close the door with a crank-handle with water rushing in by tons every second.
True but just because you order stop doesn't mean the ship is stopped. Keep in mind in titanic case they ordered full astern (full speed reverse) yet the ships take a while to actually slow down to a complete stop. Odds are Kendall did order stop but the ship was still drifting at a significant speed forward.
8:20 The 4 surviving children were actually 1 boy and 3 girls. They were: Josephine O’Hara age 10 Florence Barbour age 8 Grace Hanagan age 7 3:07 Arvo Markula age 14
I keep hearing that more people died on this ship than the titanic but every thing I find states that 1,012 people died on the Empress of Ireland and 1,500 died on titanic so the math is not adding up. Can anyone explain this?
The Empress of Ireland lost more passengers than the Titanic did. Only about 200 of the 1,057 passengers survived while more than half of her 420 crew survived
I don't believe they proved anything about the watertight doors. If the orders were issued in sequence, only one of them would remain as evidence. In fact this corroborates the trial findigs. Also, the test with the models was ridiculous. Did not reflect neither the conditions (current, the fact that the impacting ship had engines running) nor do these wooden models account for how heavy and flexible steel objects behave.
Depends on how you look at it. In comparison of percentage or ratio of total persons on board both vessels, then ok; however, in total loss numbers alone.....no. Big difference between 1012 and 1500+.
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Was there a movie made about the Empress Of Ireland? Do you know what city was near its sinking?
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My great great grandmother was supposed to be on this ship. After travelling a couple of days to get there, she refused to get on the ship.
My Great grandfather Martin servived this by clinging to a floating door in the water. It has been said that he was not able to swim.
All the money he had worked together he got rid of. He had sewn them into his vest, when he was rescued they took off the clothes.
about a year after the accident, my grandfather was born.
A couple of months before he passed away many years later, he threw away the only thing he had left of the ship, which was his key to his travel coffin, and is told he have said "the damn coffin I will probably never see again"
They was poor so saved and reused everything.
Anyway make you think about your own existence if he not had managed to survive.
Thank you for sharing this.
This was 3/4 century ago but more recently a modern freight vessel sunk so fast that they did not even leave a radio message and disappeared with no trace. The ship had been improperly loaded with some compartment full of iron ore and other left empty causing huge lever effect in the steel hull. When the storm hit, the big waves occasionally lifted the bow of the boat out of water then slamming it down, this caused structural fracture and one of the front compartement started taking water. From then on the water level crept up as one after another compartment filled with water from the top cap not being water tight as waves slammed over the deck and the crew didn't even notice until when they did they probably only had a few minutes left before it sank. Not Titannic, no old ships, but in the 1990's. Since then I believe they added another water tight layer to each compartment so that even if the hull fractured it would not take water and made the freight loading caps watertight (? no sure on that one).
The horrid part for the crew was that it happened during a two days long non stop storm, they slept their next night at the bottom of the sea. They sunk while the sea was in full storm.
MV DERBYSHIRE….?
You referring to the Edmund Fitzgerald?
@@Tyrunner0097 Sorry i wrote this two years ago I cannot remember the name but the cargo was iron ore.
The lesson from this, as I have noticed in my own life, is that almost everytime an accident has started to happen, we project our mind forward in time seeing the catastrophy already on a unstoppable course when it isn't, this usually causes additional mistakes from panic that are the ones that make it so. Even for a simple even like loosing grip of an object, we envision the object falling and breaking on the ground and we jerk our hand actually causing the real downfall.
Another mistake as what cpt Kendal did is to also think the outcome is ineluctable and not do mitigating action that could reduce the severity of the accident (not closing water tight doors). Therefore two behaviors are important :
1. Never let your mind go ape and act purely from fear or panic, learn to use rational thinking even when in total fear.
2. Don't give up even after the brain tells you all is lost. Try to rethink another way of action.
One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it
The thing is, the watertight doors wouldn't have changed anything. Like a lot of liners at the time, they had longitudinal bulkheads running along the sides of the ship, serving as coal bunkers, and they ran the length of the ships middle, with no breaks. As soon as water got in them, those bulkheads would flood and the ship would list substantially. Additionally, in the case of the Empress, portholes were open too and that got water into the other parts of the ship quickly.
It might slow down the sinking though. But you are right that it would cause a list. Another major problem was the design of closing the doors. No way a sailor would be able to have three minutes to close the door with a crank-handle with water rushing in by tons every second.
They kind of proved that the Captain did order all stop, as that was the last order the engine room acknowledged.
True but just because you order stop doesn't mean the ship is stopped. Keep in mind in titanic case they ordered full astern (full speed reverse) yet the ships take a while to actually slow down to a complete stop. Odds are Kendall did order stop but the ship was still drifting at a significant speed forward.
8:20 The 4 surviving children were actually 1 boy and 3 girls. They were:
Josephine O’Hara age 10
Florence Barbour age 8
Grace Hanagan age 7 3:07
Arvo Markula age 14
Wait, Capt. Kendal survived.
Hanagan was the last of the survivors.
Surely it would have made sense for both boats to halt the engines and drop anchor as the fog would clear and they could then pass safely
@22:37 - "Dave Greener has already proved beyond a doubt" using models in a totally different environment????
What a fantastic documentary! Utterly riveting! Thank you so much for the upload:)
Incredible documentary.
I like the touch of Celtic music in the background when they are loading up. Also the discussion between the divers was interesting...hellava mess!
Yeah, I wish the music was listed.
thank you so much for this great documentary!
Never new about this and thoroughly enjoyed the doc 👍
I'm glad they found what they were looking for. Going into a wreck like that is a real big risk. Next to nothing has to happen to trap them both.
However, I do enjoy this.
I keep hearing that more people died on this ship than the titanic but every thing I find states that 1,012 people died on the Empress of Ireland and 1,500 died on titanic so the math is not adding up. Can anyone explain this?
The Empress of Ireland lost more passengers than the Titanic did. Only about 200 of the 1,057 passengers survived while more than half of her 420 crew survived
@@balletshoes No they clearly say the Empress lost more passengers, which can be seen in the numbers you quoted.
They didn’t say which class Grace was in.
St Lawrence river*
I don't believe they proved anything about the watertight doors. If the orders were issued in sequence, only one of them would remain as evidence.
In fact this corroborates the trial findigs.
Also, the test with the models was ridiculous. Did not reflect neither the conditions (current, the fact that the impacting ship had engines running) nor do these wooden models account for how heavy and flexible steel objects behave.
Oh Canada what's the matter with you guys.
More people died on this ship then the titanic
Yes sadly
Depends on how you look at it. In comparison of percentage or ratio of total persons on board both vessels, then ok; however, in total loss numbers alone.....no. Big difference between 1012 and 1500+.
More people died on the Wilhelm Gustloff than Titanic, Empress, and Lusitania combined.
@@jabbafreakinjabba5718 That is correct. Can't remember exactly, but think it was around 9,000+/-.
@@jabbafreakinjabba5718 that was during a war. The others were ocean liners