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I adore the decision of the Captain of the Il De France to fully illuminate his ship as they approached, wanting to announce as loudly as possible to the desperate souls still aboard the Doria that hope, and help, had truly arrived. Seeing that glow must have felt like seeing a rescue vessel dispatched by God himself.
One author, writing about the sinking, said that "Ile de France" was like a great actor making a dramatic entry onto a stage. When she turned her lights on, it was like she was saying "It's alright. We're here now. It'll be alright."
Man, what a contrast in captians. When I think of Italian ship wrecks and their captians, the Costa Concordia comes to mind, it's captian was one of the first to bail, while the Dorias had to be dragged off by its crew.
@@danielseelye6005 The crew of the Greek-Flagged Oceanos were even more reprehensible, abandoning ship without advising the passengers that the ship was in peril.
@@AMacLeod426 Uumph! Probably the most criminal maritime disaster in Korean history. All the students were ordered to stay in their cabins as the Sewol quickly sank. Most were online as they died.
I'm always impressed at how quickly and at how many nearby ships drop what they're doing and rush to the aid of ships in distress. It warms my heart a little. De France could have turned away for the sake of sparing compensation for travelers, but I think most travelers would understand the need to save those in dire need. I remember watching Deadliest Catch and whenever a mayday went out, all the captains halted operations to help out their fellow fishermen. People who make their livelihood on the water know how dangerous and precarious the water can be and any delay can cost many lives. To them, I salute.
@@jmorrison146 it's more than the law...it's the right thing to do. But for the waves of fate, it could very well be your ship needing that help the next time.
Even ships that oppose each other in war do it. The sub that sank the Lusitania did it in 1915. The sub that sank the Laconia did it in 1942 but was strafed by planes while loaded with survivors which the Donitz Order came from, putting a stop to it. During ww1 the AuxCruiser Wilhelm der Grosse was known to have alerted ships that it was about to fire on to get everybody off(wasn’t uncommon). Pretty sure the Bismarck did it for the survivors of the HMS Hood and in return the remaining survivors of the Bismarck were picked up by the Royal Navy ships that had just hammered it into submission at almost point blank range in 1941. The point being is the mariners code extends even in war time in which the law means jackshit. It’s just what sailors do.
@Captain Frank Abagnale, PAA. Are you actually a Captain? It's more of an unwritten rule at sea that you help anyone in bother, no matter what nationally even in war. Personally I've been involved in 2 rescues where the boat has sunk. Not sure what history books you have read? The U-boat never rescued anyone from the Lusitsnia. The Hood had 3 survivors which the Bismark certainly didn't rescue. The Bismark had 100+ survivors which were picked-up by the RN, hundreds more were left in the water as they thought they seen a U-boat.
In 1959 the Ile de France was retired and sold to a scrapyard in Japan. In 1960, she was loaned to a film crew as a 'prop' for the movie "The Last Voyage" where she suffered explosions, one of her funnels pulled over, and was partially sunk. When the filming ended, she was returned to the scrapyard and dismantled. What a sad ending for her.
Thus is the life of a liner. She did receive two merchant marine awards for her habit of showing up to rescue efforts and will always be immortalized in stories like these, which is more than any liner or cruiser could ask for.
Even in 1956 and with all passengers secured, Cpt. Calamai still refused to abandon his post and was going to go down with his ship. A gentleman through and through.
The Île de France switching on her lights must have been one hell of a sight. It may send uncomfortable shivers down my spine personally, but seeing this gigantic ship appear in almost a flash of bright light from the pitch black must have been as awe inspiring as spectacles get.
SS _Île de France_ was apparently known as the "Saint Bernard of the Seas" after participating in several rescues, including _Andrea Doria's._ She received Cross of Chevalier du Mérite marine and the Merchant Marine Gallant Ship Award.
@@danielseelye6005 That should be the end of all well known workhorse ships throughout their sailing careers. Only technological prototypes, like HMS Warrior, or very rare ships, like HMS Victory, one of the few first rates left existing from specific nations which were different, should be preserved.
To an extent its a case of "Titanicification": whenever a ship sinks media comb every ounce of material written on it with immodest glee trying to find the claim that the vessel was unsinkable. Most often claims that a ship was called such are extrapolations from actual remarks that are a lot more conservative and if they are direct are usually spoken offhand by people who have no real grounds to be listened to (like line execs). Even the Titanic herself was never actually called unsinkable by her builders. The closest that ever came to happening was the WSL rep in New York saying he felt the ship couldn't sink...after it already had.
In my mind’s eye, I could almost see the Il de France, fully illuminated, cutting through the fog. That little detail, so easily missed in another retelling, gave power and meaning to yours. This really had heart, capturing the tragedy in vivid detail! Well done!
I agree. The whole “Turn on the lights” aspect of Andrea Doria story is my favorite part. Something about is just so vivid, and as you said makes for a great mental image.
I always get a shiver down my spine when i see the Bismarck cutting through the fog in the Sabaton video ( minus the lights ). Probably it was a similar sight when the Il de France arrived .
This takes me back to a nice dinner I had once. Sat with an old man who told me stories of his time in the US Coast Guard. He served in the early 60's aboard an old Fletcher class destroyer given to the USCG. On nice sunny days the captain would let the crew set out deck chairs and sun bathe on the stern. On one of these days he was pulling out chairs and noticed how nice some of the chairs were and how there was a ships name inscribed on them. The inscription read "ANDREA DORIA". He asked the boatswain about it. Turns out the captain had responded to the ANDREA DORIA sinking and spent several days in the area searching, during which he had taken some souvenirs of the floating wreckage. That is my little story of the ANDREA DORIA.
So fun fact. The Plymouth Norseman concept car was actually on this ship when it sank. The plans for the car and most photos and files for the car are gone and it has essentially been erased from existence.
There appear to be a few photos of the prototype as well as some concept paintings online. It looks so incredibly cool, exactly what you’d imagine a mid 50s concept to look like
A hell of a better captain than some others we can mention, even if he did make mistakes. The crunched bow of the Stockholm is still an impressive picture decades later.
@@sniptaclar5568this is not the ship you're referring to but similarly the Vesta (ship that sunk the infamous Arctic in 1854) suffered a crushed front and somehow managed to make it back to port!
@@sniptaclar5568USS Minneapolis is one. HMS Javelin lost both her bow and stern. And therefore definitely a bunch more that I can’t think of off the top of my head.
When I was in high school, my religion teacher had a model of the Andrea Doria on his desk. When I asked him about it, he told me that he was on the Doria when it sank; he didn’t remember too much because he was a child at the time but it was cool to learn a bit about what it was like on the ship during her final voyage.
@@sabrinastratton1991 This reminds me of a heartbreaking video recorded by a mall's surveillance camera. An escalator broke down and a woman with a toddler fell in partially. She got stuck while the machinery still kinda half-worked. Fortunately for the child, it happened near the foot of the escalator and the woman threw the kid into the arms of mall personnel. Seconds later, she was gone. Without the split second decision, the death toll would've been two.
@@talldarkmannnteresting how internet slobs can sit in their sweaty basements playing Monday morning quarterback regarding the impossible decisions that a person is forced to make during unimaginably horrifying situations. I would like to see you face any kind of similar circumstance and actually fend for yourself, rather than just complain, let alone have to be responsible for another person. What incredible arrogance.
The stepped stern of the Doria and Normandy are absolutely beautiful. 22 dead divers is a huge number. Nice job on telling the story. Things can change in a split second.
Andrea Doria sends a siren call to certain types of divers. Heck if she were in a more accessible location in warmer waters and over 100’ shallower - I’d consider diving her myself. As is, any sensible diver assessing risks would decline. Surprisingly enough diving Andrea Doria is far more deadly than cave diving. My guess difference is due to physical restriction on cave diving (locked gates in many), education efforts, and availability of fabulous cave-diving training.
@@MrRjh63 - Believe you are right. So far she’s taken fewer lives than the actual Mt Everest. Likely because fewer people dive than walk, narrower name recognition, and need for specialized training. Technical dive I nstructors almost universally preach risk mitigation, judgement and self awareness. Thus possibly dissuading potential victims. Takes support to get out to Andrea, which really isn’t easily available - while there seems to be an industry aimed at getting people up and down Everest. Seems there’s a constant traffic jam at base camp on Everest while I suspect single digit annual diver count on Andrea. Likely a considerably higher death rate, but so many fewer idiots🤣
My parents were to honeymoon in Italy and had booked passage on the Andrea Doria. The morning after the disaster my mom was about to mail her wedding invitations when her mother heard of the accident on the radio. She changed her wedding date and honeymoon. It was a big deal in our little town, and was written up in the local newspaper.
🤔 it's kind of impressive, just for the wrong reasons. The truth is, a screw up is really only as good as your resources and the chain of events they can create 🤷
A very detailed book about the sinking explained that the radar, which was very new, was giving a reverse picture on the radar. While the watch relayed correct position, the 3rd officer, currently in command gave orders to turn via radar information. Unfortunately INTO the path of the Norwegian Liner. The Stockholm. The Andrea Dorea disaster became famous because so many different nationalities of ship responded to the distress call. So many were saved.
Actually, the MV Astoria (ex-MS Stockholm) was retired from cruising service last year due to COVID. Now she’s awaiting to he transformed into a floating hotel. Bonus fact: Stockholm later also found her career in Genoa, the hometown of the Doria, serving an Italian company. She was hated by the local residents
@@tertiaritus Genoa built the Doria and during the investigation and trial the Stockholm claimed that the Doria was unseaworthy. Do not insult the craftsmanship of a town and expect love in return. By the way the Doria was cut across her keel and stayed afloat 11 hours. She was seaworthy.
I have always been fascinated with the Andrea Doria story, just like that of the Titanic. One thing this fine narration missed was that, in her hold, the Doria was carrying the Chrysler Norseman. A concept car, designed and built in the Ghia factory in Italy, featured a very unique cantilevered roof. It was a one of a kind automobile due to be shown at the New York Auto show. Since all the designs were included with the car, and lost along with it, Ghia chose not to rebuild it.
Wow... That was interesting. You know that young girl that fell on the other ship. Her biological daddy was a news anchor and he had to give the news out about the trash knowing his daughter was on that ship and he didn't miss a beat. That had to be rough. I'm pretty positive I am not mistaken. Getting old; it's hard to remember things. Lol. 😅
the amount of times ive thought to myself in the last few months “I wonder when the next Maritime Horrors video will drop” I watch 2 aviation disaster channels but you are the only maritime channel that can keep me intrigued about a subject I’m so unfamiliar with. Great videos!
If I recall correctly the first dive team to reach AD was from Life Magazine, from a chartered boat named Top Cat. The photos were published in Life. They also retrieved the larger-than-life statue of Admiral Doria, which was displayed at a bar in New Bedford for a while.
The first divers reached the Doria a day or two later. One of whom was the heir to the Gimbal’s department store chain. He cut a hole in the hull to penetrate the wreck. The hole is still used to enter the wreck and is known as “Gimbel’s hole”
From what I could find online, the statue was recovered from the wreck in 1964. After the bar in New Bedford it was displayed at a hotel and then a bar in Florida. It was restored and returned to Italy in 2004.
May I suggest a video about the sinking of M/S Estonia in 1994. It's probably the most infamous shipwreck in Finland/Sweden/Estonia with only a bit more than 100 survivors out of a thousand, and there's an interesting controversy surrounding it.
Yes please, that would be very interesting given recent information that has surfaced (pun intended 😁). And also on a sort of personal level, as my parents almost boarded the Estonia. But upon arriving at the docks, they realized that their passports were forgotten or something to that effect
An amazing retelling of the disaster. As a navigational officer, I find the actions of both crews to be fascinating. It is easy to see the complacency of the crews.
The Doria was the first maritime disaster to grab my attention as a teen. I read everything I could at a few local libraries (yes...paper books!). This interest lead to learning about other passenger, then commercial, ship disasters. So fascinating were the stories, and the explanations how such tragedies could happen, that it turned into a 6 year tour in the US Coast Guard. This video was excellent! Only available facts with no assumptions or suspicions, just a real telling of what happened. The good (actually great) things, and the bad actions of the "hotel" staff. The actions and heroism of the real "crew" is what one would expect from those brave men. Doing what they could to keep the Doria afloat and the lights on as long as they did. Many people were saved by the engineers remaining at their posts. The officers did what they could...though so issues should have been handled better, such as the passengers left mustered on the port side while lifeboats were being loaded and launched only from the starboard side. The many photos I've seen where we can see the actual size of the whole cut just under the bridge of the Doria's starboard side!!! Amazes me she remained above the water as long as she did. Again, great video! I'll be looking forward to you next upload as I bringe your past posted stuff.
Fun Fact: The Nantucket lightship was actually off-station during the collision and was infact steaming out to relive it's temporary replacement. It received the distress calls and despite the ability to make good speed to the wreck, was ordered to maintain course as to not create further confusion to other ships by being not where it was expected.
Great to have you back. Loved the video. One small correction and some additional facts to the sinking: As far as I'm aware, Linda Morgans mother actually survived her injuries and was reunited with her daughter after the accident. However, like Linda, she suffered quite a bit from the tragedy, having lost her husband and one daughter and would die a few years later on the same date of the sinking of the Andrea Doria. (My source is the book Ghost Liners, but I haven't read it in years, so maybe I'm wrong about that one.) Linda and her family were supposed to have dinner with the captain this evening, but because of the fog, the captain couldn't leave the bridge and it didn't happen. Linda had a small notebook, that she used the get autographs for people she meet and had wanted the captain to sign it. Linda's father was ABC Radio Network news commentator Edward P. Morgan. He had to report the tragedy on the radio while not knowing if his daughter was still alive. The crew member from the Stockholm who found her on the bow of the ship visited her in the hospital, where her father embraced him and said: "Hombre, hombre. Man, man, how can I ever thank you?"
That merchant mariner takes the olympic gold medal for heavy sleeping. I assume he'd been medicated, but still, man, imagine sleeping through a collision, and five hours of noisy evacuation and a forty degree listing.
I'm so glad that you're back. I discovered your channel about a month and a half ago and have watched just about everything. I've been waiting for more. I can't imagine how much time and research you put into these videos. Thank you! They are a wonderful tribute to all who perished in these tragedies and to those that survived and rescued survivors. We'll done!
Dude it's so crazy I never heard of the Andrea Doria until yesterday when I watched a documentary about scuba divers who died trying to retrieve dishes and cups from the sunken ship.
@@joejakubec9708 There’s nothing wrong with being 12 years old. No need to shame someone (at any age!) for showing genuine enthusiasm in learning about history. They should be encouraged, not belittled with condescension.
@joejakubec9708 I'm knocking on 40s door and dude is firmly in my vocabulary, dude, I know I'm a grumpy prick about many things but damn dude, you take the cake.
Unfortunately read similiar articles or clips of other videos referencing the same; many of the Italian crew, did board lifeboats that were picked up and boarded the Stockholm. There were not many passrngers; mainly crew unfortunately. So basically passengers had to overcome darkness; a slanting ship; listing badly; incoming seawater mixing w/oils which would a difficult for many; trying to reach the upper decks; to muster stations/lifeboats.
Glad to see you back. As I always say to other youtubers with a random posting schedule: take your time, we're here. We're not going anywhere. You post a new video, we watch it. Simple as that. And for videos of this quality it's worth the wait. Well done. About the collision, some things will never be known and I very much doubt the logs could be recovered at all given the time past and the environment down there. Fault lies on both sides, that is clear. Things could have been done better. When you cut some slack on the rope, accidents happen. Having read and watched so many cases where ships nearby went on their way in spite of the distress calls of a stricken vessel, the example set by the Ile de France and the other ships still echoes as one of humanity and kindness. Cheers, mate.
I remember reading about this when I was in primary school in the early 1990s. When I got to high school, I found the library had a copy of William Hoffer's 'Saved: the Story of the Andrea Doria - The Greatest Sea Rescue in History'. I think by the time I left a few years later, I'd read the book several times. It's amazing that the Stockholm (under its various names and forms) has been in service for 72 years. She was laid up in 2020 when the pandemic started, and currently up for sale.
It was deliberately kept "alive" to show how tron design of Swedish vessel was. Stockholm was built for a North Atlantic service with stronger bow design against ice. Andrea Doria and all other Italian vessels served only warm southern waters.
The Andria Doria history was so well told. Thank you for covering it, you are a wonderful narrator. Before I retired from nursing l had a patient who was a passenger on the Andria Dorian’s final voyage. She was a sweet elderly lady who mostly spoke Italian but she was able to say that she was a child at the time and it was a beautiful ship.
Important lesson to be learned here: If anyone tells you the ship you are about to embark on is unsinkable, immediately cancel your tickets and take a plane! RIP to all those people lost in this and other disasters at sea.
Even though this is a sad and horrible event, knowing that so many ships came and managed to rescue most of the passengers and crew is such a nice end.
This event had slipped from my mind, as I was 11 years old when it happened. My dad had hired a carpenter to do some work in our house. Family members of his were on that ship, and that made their welfare very personal. I cannot remember his name, but the ships names brought instant recognition. Also the pics, especially the LIFE magazine cover pic, made me recall the intensity of the event. Thank you for your diligent research, and excellent presentation.
The absolute heroine of this tale was the Île-de-France. How wonderful must her lights have seemed as she arrived to save the day! Plus, French onion soup in a time of stress is amazing! Edit: One thing, the Azores rhymes with doors.
The reason i subscribed to this channel is simple. One day, learn about the Edmond Fitzgerald, go into a frenzy of videos. Found Maritime Horrors just put out a video for the Fitz. Then here comes the Bradley and Morrell videos. Absolutely loved the presentation and how well the channel constructed the videos. This past week, learn about the Andrea Doria, especially how it’s the”Mount Everest” of scuba diving. Learned about Peter Gimbel’s 1980’s TV doc and the hole he cut into the ship to get the safe. Known as “Gimbels hole” Mainly how the “Fine China” from the AD is HIGHLY sought after by scuba divers. Always felt like i wanted to know more. Here comes Maritime Horrors in the clutch. Thanks for the video!
I knew the Astoria was still in service but I never knew she had the Andrea Doria's bell on display. That seems just a little macabre. Like a serial killer keeping a trophy. 🤣
I just found your channel and I am absolutely loving it. I've always been fascinated by maritime disasters since I was a kid. (I was the 10 year old Titanic nerd back in the day who watched every Titanic documentary out there and read every book the library could give me.) Your attention to detail is marvelous and you really bring these events to life. I'm sure you get lots of topic suggestions but one disaster that doesn't get a lot of attention because it was kind of hushed up during WW2, is the collision of the RMS Queen Mary and the HMS Curacoa. I would love to see you cover that. Either way, keep up the good work!
Thank you so much for making these videos and re-igniting my childhood interests of shipwrecks again. While they are tragic, I regain a little bit of faith in humanity from hearing the rescue efforts everyone went through to make sure as many people got to safety as possible. I've been listening to all your videos while at work and it definitely makes my days go by faster. Keep it up, and you've just got yourself another Patreon supporter!
It always impressed me how fast the Italian Merchant Marine bounced back after WWII, in 1951 the Italian line alone Launched a Combined 81,000 GRT of new vessels, between the Doria and her two South Atlantic Cousins, the Giulio Cesare and Augustus and by 1953 had also added the Cristoforo Columbo to round out their Genoa - New York service. The Doria herself was unlike anything the Atlantic had seen before, where the next newest major liner, the Caronia was stuck in Cunard's pre war style, the Doria embraced the 50's with unmatched italian elegance, it brought italian design and luxury to the forefront as it ferried celebrities from new york to the Mediterranean and ushered in almost 40 years of italian dominance of "Haute Couture" that had, from the 20's until the 30's belonged to the french...
Excellent! I was hoping you would get to this one. The Andrea Doria - Stockholm incident has long been one of my favourite maritime disaster stories, not through any morbid reasons, but because it happened not long before I was born. I saw a video about it, way back in the mid 1980s, and I was fascinated right there and then. Don't ask me why - I just don't know, but I feel some strange affinity with the ship. Weird, I know. I still have that video recording, but the video format is well and truly obsolete. I need to get a video player to allow me to copy the video to a more modern format.
I was wondering what came of you. After seeing the length of the video, I can see why, on top of your other responsibilities. Absolutely well done, brother. Glad to see you're still at it.
I love those sleek lines of the Andria Doria. Ships aren’t beautiful anymore. Thank you Île de France. The Captain of the Andria Doria was a real captain. I remember he had to be practically forced off his ship. I love ocean liners and have travelled on quite a few. I have been on ships that have lost their engines, been in hurricanes, outrun hurricanes and was on a ship that made a collision avoidance manoeuvre that caused the ship to list alarmingly. The rougher the weather the more I liked it.
The writer of this channel is to be commended for being an excellent story teller, on top of a good researcher. Great sense of drawing pertinent info together.
Interestingly, the picture at 3:20 is actually the lounge on board the SS America, the running mate of the United States. That she had a long career until running aground off the Canary Islands in 1994.
I grew up on Nantucket, the wreckage pieces recovered were a part of my experience growing up there and visiting the museum! Nantucket was always big on rescuing people, that was the biggest example of local compassion in our history.
Andrea Doria Brochure. When cleaning out my late mother's home, I found at the bottom of a box, a pristine copy of an original Andrea Doria brochure. I knew that my great aunt and uncle had sailed on the Andrea Doria sometime before the sinking so I was sure that, at some point, my mother had received possession of it. The interiors of the ship are stunning. And I often wonder what the brochure is worth.
@@MrGoesBoom Agreed. Though to be fair the the whole of the crew. Most of the crew that fled in such s disgraceful fashion were more hotel staff than the sailors. From what I could tell most of the core Sailors/Officers remained on post until ordered otherwise.
What evedence do you use to lay the blame on Stockholm’s crew to be primarily responsible? If it was so "easy" the Italian shipping company would have gone to court and sued the Swedish shipping company. Intresting fact, the Italien capten was never given a new ship, but the Swedish helmsman (that was alone on the bridge) contine his career, and ended up as the capten for the bigest liner the Swedish shipping company owned.
@@kirgan1000 have you considered corruption in your “calculations”? Because last time I checked, the justice system is far from a perfect thing that prosecutes people which are to blame.
Reading the comments about the glow from the II De France, my anticipation grew waiting to hear it for myself. When it finally came around, I could picture a soft, silent approach, like a whisper that grows louder and louder; confirming to those on board that what they see was truly another chance at life - probably a fate not many would experience during a sinking. The relief they would have felt seeing help arrive in such an angelic way - prayers answered. I felt myself smiling and wanting to cry had I witnessed such a sight in a much needed hour. I can’t imagine the panic, sounds and emotions no one would ever wish to endure, let alone on the sea. Such a terrifying tale
Great video! I just wished there was a map / diagram with the ship's movement evolution, not being familiar with port/starboard terminology makes it harder to follow
@@MelanieCravens Yep, I remember it by the length of the words. The two shortest is port = left & the two longest is starboard = right. Starboard comes from steerboard, the side of the ship with the large plank down it from before rudders were invented. And supposedly the word "posh" comes from cabin designations of the wealthy. Port over, starboard home. So their cabin windows always look out to see & not the quayside.
The fact is that the Stockholm had on the bridge three guys whose total age was 62 or 63 years,and her captain was sleeping in his cabin.They knew there was fog,they knew that fog was often present in those waters and in that season,the third officer Carstens just made confusion with the scale of the radar,and Larsen,the man at the helm,was zigzagging,so when Carstens looked in the radar's screen the Doria appeared to be alternatively at port and at starboard. And the damage in the hull of the Doria was so huge that was a miracle if she survived for 9 hours after the collision.No ballast could have saved her. John J.Carrothers,a naval engineer recognised as one of the most important experts in ship collisions,stated that the responsability was of the swedish third officer Carstens, that during the fatal minutes demonstrated to be totally unexperienced and in total mental confusion. Carrothers' theory is shared by the Annapolis Naval Academy and captain Calamai's behavior is approved and studied in the U.S. naval academies.Personally I think that most of the responsability is of captain Nordenson,who was an old,skilled captain,but was sleeping in his cabin,leaving the responsability of his ship and of his passengers,in some of the most busy waters (called "Times squadre of the Atlantic") in the hands of three young boys.
If you want to play the blame game, Stockholm did have diesel engines, that allow the ship to reverse in a very short time. Hence Stockholm could stop within sight distance. AD did have trubin engines that take a very long time to reverse, so AD did travel in a reckless speed, in relation to sight distance. Not also that AD did never plot the radar echo. Stockholm was dead stop then AD that did go for full speed and did "slide" into Stockholm. Both parties claim to have turn the right way according to the lanterns. So "total mental confusion" argument can be aplied to both steersmen. Do you know how silly the "Times squadre of the Atlantic" sound. Let me trun the coin, Capten Piero Calamai was sleeping in his cabin, and did have his ship travell in recless speed in the fog, leaving the responsability to old men who was to lazsy to do proper radar plot. Not I never say what ship was responsible, I only point out how silly the argument are. The only "true" fact is that AD did travel to fast for the sight distance in the fog.
@@kirgan1000 Ask to the U.S. naval academy and they will give you a different answer. Carstens was not able to use the radar properly. The radar tracks that Carrothers exibited demonstrates perfectly what happened. Carstens was in total confusion,also trying to correct his ship's route,because of the stream that was pushing the Stockholm in shallow waters.He did it at list twice and was concentrated on this problem without paying attention to the radar scale.
Something I found neat in this, the captain of the Doria has a bit of a connection with the previous Andrea Doria, assisting her sister, the battleship Caio Duilio,
“FIFTY ONE PEOPLE? that’s it? i thought it was like a thousand?” “there were 1660 survivors” “That’s no tragedy! how many people do you lose on a normal cruise? thirty? fourty?
38:27 after hearing about all the staff leaving the passenger behind in half empty life vessels (and similar stories in other maritime tragedies)… I get a sense of hope for humanity when the other ocean liner showed up to help. Also how the captain did everything he could to find enough life boats for everyone (who still could) to get off the boat and not leaving himself until everyone was safely off. Chivalry and honor unfortunately are severely lacking in todays society. Makes me wish I could live in times when it was more common sometimes.
Brilliant well worth the wait! P.s. (edit) A suggestion for a new video would be the SS Hydrus. Aquired by Interlake the same year it sunk. Btw congrats to Interlake on the Mark W. Barker!
For another sinking video, you could look into maritime disasters where a rescue ship that rescued the survivors of one disaster, only to sink before reaching port, with both the original passengers and crew and survivors. I always wondered if such would happen and how terrifying such an event could be.
@@RK18771 I made it up, but I don't think it's absurd, there are tons of maritime disasters that have occurred, so it's possible there was one like the one I described.
@@randomscb-40charger78 I know that shortly after the carrier USS Langley was sank by a japanese submarine, the destroyer that rescued the survivors, was sank a few hours later by the same submarine
As a small child, my late mother told me the story of the Andrea Doria. I found it fascinating because she, her parents, sister, and brother immigrated to the United States from Italy on the Andrea Doria‘s sistership, the USS Cristoforo Colombo, in 1968.
I love your videos. You really have a knack for story telling. You make things understandable and easy to follow even for someone like me who doesn't frequent bodies of water any larger than my bathtub. I did want to mention that your "waves" background actually makes me a bit nauseous to watch. I think its something to do with having that moving wave with a still image over it, so the waves are only visible on either side. I'm not sure if this effects anyone else, but it might be something to keep in mind as your channel grows.
Excellent video! Your channel is quickly becoming one of my favorites. I'm a SWO in the Navy myself so I'm pretty familiar with the case studies from your other videos, but you add a lot of interesting details every time. Bravo Zulu!
A fun little fact about this wreck is that on Nantucket Island, there is a lifesaving museum, dedicated to honoring the volunteers that would help save lives whenever there was a shipwreck around the island (as there commonly were). As a result, the "Jetties" (local dialect for shoals) became nicknamed "the graveyard of the Atlantic" to some. I've actually been to this museum on one of my many trips to that island (I had family that lived there), and they do have things from the Andrea Doria there!
My dad was in the Navy Reserve, training on an old rustbucket with no radar and a broken radio at night in a storm. It turned out that they steamed right past the Andrea Doria without a clue what was happening. Imagine their surprise!
I've seen Titanic as a child and I can only assume that experience contributed to me developing Thalassophobia. However, for the last few days I've been hooked on the videos dedicated to similar disasters at sea. There is something fascinating about how one seemingly small thing leads to another until it's too late. Also, as a classic Tomb Raider fan, I've heard this ship was the inspiration for the Maria Doria whose wreck appears in the second game, so as soon as I saw the title I knew I had to come and watch. Thank you for the in depth, quality work you do!
This was excellent storytelling, so much so that by 37 minutes in, I become so invested that it was emotional when the Isle de France shows up (spoilers).
That French ship might have rescued the most but I think all the ships crews and captains that came to their rescue especially that smaller ship that saved 101 souls. They showed true compassion .
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I have 2 suggestions for future videos:
RMS Lusitania (1915)
Achille Lauro (1985) [not a sinking but still a maritime horror]
Sooo how many collisions happen that we don’t hear of and 90-99% live?!?! Would be good to know!
What is the music you use and can you put a link to it?
Why is there an article about the Titanic below the video player? Last time I checked, the Andrea Doria was not the Titanic....
I adore the decision of the Captain of the Il De France to fully illuminate his ship as they approached, wanting to announce as loudly as possible to the desperate souls still aboard the Doria that hope, and help, had truly arrived. Seeing that glow must have felt like seeing a rescue vessel dispatched by God himself.
One author, writing about the sinking, said that "Ile de France" was like a great actor making a dramatic entry onto a stage. When she turned her lights on, it was like she was saying "It's alright. We're here now. It'll be alright."
it did both that and light her up to be more easily visible to other ships in the area, avoiding more collisions :)
As well as the mention that she provided both wind- and water-break for the Andrea Doria's passengers.
After getting injured on a different ship. I think I'd retire...
Religion has nothing to do with that
Man, what a contrast in captians. When I think of Italian ship wrecks and their captians, the Costa Concordia comes to mind, it's captian was one of the first to bail, while the Dorias had to be dragged off by its crew.
Did you notice the similar actions of the crews of both Italian flagged ships?
@@danielseelye6005 The crew of the Greek-Flagged Oceanos were even more reprehensible, abandoning ship without advising the passengers that the ship was in peril.
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@@AMacLeod426 Uumph! Probably the most criminal maritime disaster in Korean history. All the students were ordered to stay in their cabins as the Sewol quickly sank. Most were online as they died.
Two different Italys... Producing very different men.
I'm always impressed at how quickly and at how many nearby ships drop what they're doing and rush to the aid of ships in distress. It warms my heart a little. De France could have turned away for the sake of sparing compensation for travelers, but I think most travelers would understand the need to save those in dire need.
I remember watching Deadliest Catch and whenever a mayday went out, all the captains halted operations to help out their fellow fishermen.
People who make their livelihood on the water know how dangerous and precarious the water can be and any delay can cost many lives. To them, I salute.
Its the law.
@@jmorrison146 it's more than the law...it's the right thing to do. But for the waves of fate, it could very well be your ship needing that help the next time.
@@norahc. exactly that.
Even ships that oppose each other in war do it. The sub that sank the Lusitania did it in 1915. The sub that sank the Laconia did it in 1942 but was strafed by planes while loaded with survivors which the Donitz Order came from, putting a stop to it. During ww1 the AuxCruiser Wilhelm der Grosse was known to have alerted ships that it was about to fire on to get everybody off(wasn’t uncommon). Pretty sure the Bismarck did it for the survivors of the HMS Hood and in return the remaining survivors of the Bismarck were picked up by the Royal Navy ships that had just hammered it into submission at almost point blank range in 1941.
The point being is the mariners code extends even in war time in which the law means jackshit. It’s just what sailors do.
@Captain Frank Abagnale, PAA. Are you actually a Captain? It's more of an unwritten rule at sea that you help anyone in bother, no matter what nationally even in war. Personally I've been involved in 2 rescues where the boat has sunk. Not sure what history books you have read? The U-boat never rescued anyone from the Lusitsnia. The Hood had 3 survivors which the Bismark certainly didn't rescue. The Bismark had 100+ survivors which were picked-up by the RN, hundreds more were left in the water as they thought they seen a U-boat.
In 1959 the Ile de France was retired and sold to a scrapyard in Japan. In 1960, she was loaned to a film crew as a 'prop' for the movie "The Last Voyage" where she suffered explosions, one of her funnels pulled over, and was partially sunk. When the filming ended, she was returned to the scrapyard and dismantled. What a sad ending for her.
Thus is the life of a liner.
She did receive two merchant marine awards for her habit of showing up to rescue efforts and will always be immortalized in stories like these, which is more than any liner or cruiser could ask for.
She remains immortalized in film.
Ah the SS Claridon. ❤
At least she went out with a bang.
That was a good old disaster movie.
Even in 1956 and with all passengers secured, Cpt. Calamai still refused to abandon his post and was going to go down with his ship.
A gentleman through and through.
Very touching, wow. 🥲
Quite unlike his fellow countryman during the sinking of the "Costa Concordia"
@@danielseelye6005 Yeah, Schettino came to mind at several points during the video 😂
For sure.
That idiot Schettino from the Costa Concordia could have learnt something from his countryman!
Through and through not true and true. Simple mistake
The Île de France switching on her lights must have been one hell of a sight. It may send uncomfortable shivers down my spine personally, but seeing this gigantic ship appear in almost a flash of bright light from the pitch black must have been as awe inspiring as spectacles get.
SS _Île de France_ was apparently known as the "Saint Bernard of the Seas" after participating in several rescues, including _Andrea Doria's._ She received Cross of Chevalier du Mérite marine and the Merchant Marine Gallant Ship Award.
holy cow, SS île de France was truly an heroic loyal there
@@MysticianLuna_VG And yet faced such an ignominious end being scrapped.
@@danielseelye6005 yeah, i feel bad for ile de france
@@danielseelye6005 That should be the end of all well known workhorse ships throughout their sailing careers.
Only technological prototypes, like HMS Warrior, or very rare ships, like HMS Victory, one of the few first rates left existing from specific nations which were different, should be preserved.
@@shauntempley9757 We're talking about the _Íle de France,_ not No-Name-Tramp #5
People really need to stop deeming ships “unsinkable”
To an extent its a case of "Titanicification": whenever a ship sinks media comb every ounce of material written on it with immodest glee trying to find the claim that the vessel was unsinkable. Most often claims that a ship was called such are extrapolations from actual remarks that are a lot more conservative and if they are direct are usually spoken offhand by people who have no real grounds to be listened to (like line execs). Even the Titanic herself was never actually called unsinkable by her builders. The closest that ever came to happening was the WSL rep in New York saying he felt the ship couldn't sink...after it already had.
I think it's more that people need to stop finding creative new ways to put unsinkable ships in sinkable conditions :P
@@TacticalOni Split the difference and do both?
You call it unsinkable, you're just asking for a tragedy.
@@cherylmarcuri5506 It's kind of like testing God by saying its unsinkable. You're just begging for it
In my mind’s eye, I could almost see the Il de France, fully illuminated, cutting through the fog. That little detail, so easily missed in another retelling, gave power and meaning to yours. This really had heart, capturing the tragedy in vivid detail! Well done!
I agree. The whole “Turn on the lights” aspect of Andrea Doria story is my favorite part. Something about is just so vivid, and as you said makes for a great mental image.
It’s the moment I literally welled up. And I know this tragedy well. But that moment in the account got me unexpectedly.
The whole Ile de France part gave me goosebumps
I always get a shiver down my spine when i see the Bismarck cutting through the fog in the Sabaton video ( minus the lights ). Probably it was a similar sight when the Il de France arrived .
This takes me back to a nice dinner I had once. Sat with an old man who told me stories of his time in the US Coast Guard. He served in the early 60's aboard an old Fletcher class destroyer given to the USCG. On nice sunny days the captain would let the crew set out deck chairs and sun bathe on the stern. On one of these days he was pulling out chairs and noticed how nice some of the chairs were and how there was a ships name inscribed on them. The inscription read "ANDREA DORIA". He asked the boatswain about it. Turns out the captain had responded to the ANDREA DORIA sinking and spent several days in the area searching, during which he had taken some souvenirs of the floating wreckage.
That is my little story of the ANDREA DORIA.
Well...Waste Not, Want Not. 😋
Nice, the ol' Fletcher class was put to good use it seems, alongside the deck chairs.
Remarkably, I also heard this anecdote from a Coastie in Boston.
So fun fact. The Plymouth Norseman concept car was actually on this ship when it sank. The plans for the car and most photos and files for the car are gone and it has essentially been erased from existence.
It’s a very fascinating car. Shame it’s disintegrated to practically nothing now
Fascinating - I've never heard about this before. Thanks!
There appear to be a few photos of the prototype as well as some concept paintings online. It looks so incredibly cool, exactly what you’d imagine a mid 50s concept to look like
@@adammanning8882 it’s like a Plymouth fury mixed with an impala and a bel air while looking way more aggressive
@@Sc0tt_e mixed with the roof line of an AMC Marlin
A hell of a better captain than some others we can mention, even if he did make mistakes.
The crunched bow of the Stockholm is still an impressive picture decades later.
It has always amazed me that it not only didn't sink but was able to get back to port on its own and still sails today.
Reminds me of the warship that had its bow blown completely off but still getting to port. Can’t remember which one
@@sniptaclar5568this is not the ship you're referring to but similarly the Vesta (ship that sunk the infamous Arctic in 1854) suffered a crushed front and somehow managed to make it back to port!
@@sniptaclar5568USS Minneapolis is one. HMS Javelin lost both her bow and stern. And therefore definitely a bunch more that I can’t think of off the top of my head.
The captain of the Andrea Doria has not made any mistakes. The fault is of the crew and the captain of the Stockholm
When I was in high school, my religion teacher had a model of the Andrea Doria on his desk. When I asked him about it, he told me that he was on the Doria when it sank; he didn’t remember too much because he was a child at the time but it was cool to learn a bit about what it was like on the ship during her final voyage.
Special shout-out to the engineers on these vessels. Always seem to be the heros on board keeping electronics going as long as possible
This sinking changed the passenger liner/cruise ship industry. The reason why is unlike previous sinkings, it was filmed as it sunk.
What was changed?
That bit about the dad throwing his infant to the crew but they didn’t hear him was heartbreaking
I would've jumped with my child in my arms. That poor dad
@@sabrinastratton1991 a very ignorant decision by the dad...but the child paid for it...
@@sabrinastratton1991 This reminds me of a heartbreaking video recorded by a mall's surveillance camera. An escalator broke down and a woman with a toddler fell in partially. She got stuck while the machinery still kinda half-worked. Fortunately for the child, it happened near the foot of the escalator and the woman threw the kid into the arms of mall personnel. Seconds later, she was gone. Without the split second decision, the death toll would've been two.
@@talldarkmannnteresting how internet slobs can sit in their sweaty basements playing Monday morning quarterback regarding the impossible decisions that a person is forced to make during unimaginably horrifying situations. I would like to see you face any kind of similar circumstance and actually fend for yourself, rather than just complain, let alone have to be responsible for another person. What incredible arrogance.
That was some poor instinct right there. I bet the man never forgave himself 🙁
The stepped stern of the Doria and Normandy are absolutely beautiful. 22 dead divers is a huge number. Nice job on telling the story. Things can change in a split second.
Normandie
Andrea Doria sends a siren call to certain types of divers. Heck if she were in a more accessible location in warmer waters and over 100’ shallower - I’d consider diving her myself. As is, any sensible diver assessing risks would decline.
Surprisingly enough diving Andrea Doria is far more deadly than cave diving. My guess difference is due to physical restriction on cave diving (locked gates in many), education efforts, and availability of fabulous cave-diving training.
@@finngamesknudson1457 Im sure her reputation of being the "Mount Everest of dives" also has added to the amount of thrill seeking divers.
@@MrRjh63 - Believe you are right.
So far she’s taken fewer lives than the actual Mt Everest. Likely because fewer people dive than walk, narrower name recognition, and need for specialized training. Technical dive I nstructors almost universally preach risk mitigation, judgement and self awareness. Thus possibly dissuading potential victims. Takes support to get out to Andrea, which really isn’t easily available - while there seems to be an industry aimed at getting people up and down Everest. Seems there’s a constant traffic jam at base camp on Everest while I suspect single digit annual diver count on Andrea. Likely a considerably higher death rate, but so many fewer idiots🤣
@@zeddeka We should cry, two of the most beautiful ships ever made.
My parents were to honeymoon in Italy and had booked passage on the Andrea Doria. The morning after the disaster my mom was about to mail her wedding invitations when her mother heard of the accident on the radio. She changed her wedding date and honeymoon. It was a big deal in our little town, and was written up in the local newspaper.
That’s so crazy to think that these ships can see each other from 17 miles out and still managed to crash right into each other😐
🤔 it's kind of impressive, just for the wrong reasons. The truth is, a screw up is really only as good as your resources and the chain of events they can create 🤷
A very detailed book about the sinking explained that the radar, which was very new, was giving a reverse picture on the radar.
While the watch relayed correct position, the 3rd officer, currently in command gave orders to turn via radar information. Unfortunately INTO the path of the Norwegian Liner. The Stockholm.
The Andrea Dorea disaster became famous because so many different nationalities of ship responded to the distress call. So many were saved.
Actually, the MV Astoria (ex-MS Stockholm) was retired from cruising service last year due to COVID. Now she’s awaiting to he transformed into a floating hotel.
Bonus fact: Stockholm later also found her career in Genoa, the hometown of the Doria, serving an Italian company. She was hated by the local residents
She is the ship that goes on forever. We cruised on her in 2018 and were not impressed, I hope she is going to be improved.
Why was she hated?
@@tertiaritus Genoa built the Doria and during the investigation and trial the Stockholm claimed that the Doria was unseaworthy. Do not insult the craftsmanship of a town and expect love in return. By the way the Doria was cut across her keel and stayed afloat 11 hours. She was seaworthy.
@@patgoldammer7938 I see, thank you for a detailed response!
@@tertiaritus She sank the Andrea Doria.
I have always been fascinated with the Andrea Doria story, just like that of the Titanic. One thing this fine narration missed was that, in her hold, the Doria was carrying the Chrysler Norseman. A concept car, designed and built in the Ghia factory in Italy, featured a very unique cantilevered roof. It was a one of a kind automobile due to be shown at the New York Auto show. Since all the designs were included with the car, and lost along with it, Ghia chose not to rebuild it.
Wow... That was interesting. You know that young girl that fell on the other ship. Her biological daddy was a news anchor and he had to give the news out about the trash knowing his daughter was on that ship and he didn't miss a beat. That had to be rough. I'm pretty positive I am not mistaken. Getting old; it's hard to remember things. Lol. 😅
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Would you mind sharing what those aviation channels are? I’m always looking for more
"The History Guy-history that deserves to be remembered" is a pretty great channel
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You ever heard of Brick Immortar? He does civil engineering and, maritime disasters. Like the Minneapolis bridge collapse, South Korean Ferry tragedy
Kramer: 51 people died
George: That’s no tragedy.
Yeah! How many people die on a regular cruise? Like 30?
If I recall correctly the first dive team to reach AD was from Life Magazine, from a chartered boat named Top Cat. The photos were published in Life. They also retrieved the larger-than-life statue of Admiral Doria, which was displayed at a bar in New Bedford for a while.
The first divers reached the Doria a day or two later. One of whom was the heir to the Gimbal’s department store chain. He cut a hole in the hull to penetrate the wreck. The hole is still used to enter the wreck and is known as “Gimbel’s hole”
From what I could find online, the statue was recovered from the wreck in 1964. After the bar in New Bedford it was displayed at a hotel and then a bar in Florida. It was restored and returned to Italy in 2004.
May I suggest a video about the sinking of M/S Estonia in 1994. It's probably the most infamous shipwreck in Finland/Sweden/Estonia with only a bit more than 100 survivors out of a thousand, and there's an interesting controversy surrounding it.
truly a maritime horror story
852 died and 137 survived, and there's mayday call, truly terrifying
@@MysticianLuna_VG yes, she sank too quick for many people to get off.
Yes please, that would be very interesting given recent information that has surfaced (pun intended 😁). And also on a sort of personal level, as my parents almost boarded the Estonia. But upon arriving at the docks, they realized that their passports were forgotten or something to that effect
I thought the Corean ferry one was haunting but damn the Estonia sinking is tragic as well.
An amazing retelling of the disaster. As a navigational officer, I find the actions of both crews to be fascinating. It is easy to see the complacency of the crews.
The Doria was the first maritime disaster to grab my attention as a teen. I read everything I could at a few local libraries (yes...paper books!). This interest lead to learning about other passenger, then commercial, ship disasters.
So fascinating were the stories, and the explanations how such tragedies could happen, that it turned into a 6 year tour in the US Coast Guard.
This video was excellent! Only available facts with no assumptions or suspicions, just a real telling of what happened. The good (actually great) things, and the bad actions of the "hotel" staff. The actions and heroism of the real "crew" is what one would expect from those brave men. Doing what they could to keep the Doria afloat and the lights on as long as they did.
Many people were saved by the engineers remaining at their posts. The officers did what they could...though so issues should have been handled better, such as the passengers left mustered on the port side while lifeboats were being loaded and launched only from the starboard side.
The many photos I've seen where we can see the actual size of the whole cut just under the bridge of the Doria's starboard side!!! Amazes me she remained above the water as long as she did.
Again, great video! I'll be looking forward to you next upload as I bringe your past posted stuff.
Fun Fact: The Nantucket lightship was actually off-station during the collision and was infact steaming out to relive it's temporary replacement. It received the distress calls and despite the ability to make good speed to the wreck, was ordered to maintain course as to not create further confusion to other ships by being not where it was expected.
George Costanza's life story was once deemed by a panel of experts to be a more tragic experience than being a passenger on the Andrea Doria. FACTS
What's the line it sunk like an old person getting into the bath.
@@JMD501 "10 hours. It eased into the water like an old man in a nice warm bath, no offence" lol
So unfair that he had to lose that apartment. 😂
@@alexlocatelli2876 Well his name is Costanza, 'Lord of the idiots' lol
Great to have you back. Loved the video.
One small correction and some additional facts to the sinking:
As far as I'm aware, Linda Morgans mother actually survived her injuries and was reunited with her daughter after the accident. However, like Linda, she suffered quite a bit from the tragedy, having lost her husband and one daughter and would die a few years later on the same date of the sinking of the Andrea Doria. (My source is the book Ghost Liners, but I haven't read it in years, so maybe I'm wrong about that one.)
Linda and her family were supposed to have dinner with the captain this evening, but because of the fog, the captain couldn't leave the bridge and it didn't happen. Linda had a small notebook, that she used the get autographs for people she meet and had wanted the captain to sign it.
Linda's father was ABC Radio Network news commentator Edward P. Morgan. He had to report the tragedy on the radio while not knowing if his daughter was still alive.
The crew member from the Stockholm who found her on the bow of the ship visited her in the hospital, where her father embraced him and said: "Hombre, hombre. Man, man, how can I ever thank you?"
That merchant mariner takes the olympic gold medal for heavy sleeping. I assume he'd been medicated, but still, man, imagine sleeping through a collision, and five hours of noisy evacuation and a forty degree listing.
The crew stealing the lifeboats gives me big Schettino vibes. And thus, a message for the crew " *Vada A Bordo, Cazzo!* "
that reminds me of a coastguard was saying to incopetent captain "Vada a bordo, cazzo!" (translation: "get back on board for [censored]'s sake!")
@@MysticianLuna_VG thats what I was getting at
@@maskedgaming2798 costa cocordia moments
@TheKweenII_09 way to ruin it mate. There's always one 🙄
I'm so glad that you're back. I discovered your channel about a month and a half ago and have watched just about everything. I've been waiting for more. I can't imagine how much time and research you put into these videos. Thank you! They are a wonderful tribute to all who perished in these tragedies and to those that survived and rescued survivors. We'll done!
Dude it's so crazy I never heard of the Andrea Doria until yesterday when I watched a documentary about scuba divers who died trying to retrieve dishes and cups from the sunken ship.
What’s the documentary and where can it be watched? That’s a combination of two of my interests: diving and sinking ships!
For youngster it may be crazy. Real however.
Using the word dude and never hearing of the Doria makes you about 12 years old. Especially the word dude.
@@joejakubec9708 There’s nothing wrong with being 12 years old. No need to shame someone (at any age!) for showing genuine enthusiasm in learning about history. They should be encouraged, not belittled with condescension.
@joejakubec9708 I'm knocking on 40s door and dude is firmly in my vocabulary, dude, I know I'm a grumpy prick about many things but damn dude, you take the cake.
Italian crew members abandoning a liner full of passengers. Never heard of that one before.
Unfortunately read similiar articles or clips of other videos referencing the same; many of the Italian crew, did board lifeboats that were picked up and boarded the Stockholm. There were not many passrngers; mainly crew unfortunately. So basically passengers had to overcome darkness; a slanting ship; listing badly; incoming seawater mixing w/oils which would a difficult for many; trying to reach the upper decks; to muster stations/lifeboats.
Glad to see you back. As I always say to other youtubers with a random posting schedule: take your time, we're here. We're not going anywhere. You post a new video, we watch it. Simple as that. And for videos of this quality it's worth the wait. Well done.
About the collision, some things will never be known and I very much doubt the logs could be recovered at all given the time past and the environment down there. Fault lies on both sides, that is clear. Things could have been done better. When you cut some slack on the rope, accidents happen. Having read and watched so many cases where ships nearby went on their way in spite of the distress calls of a stricken vessel, the example set by the Ile de France and the other ships still echoes as one of humanity and kindness.
Cheers, mate.
I remember reading about this when I was in primary school in the early 1990s. When I got to high school, I found the library had a copy of William Hoffer's 'Saved: the Story of the Andrea Doria - The Greatest Sea Rescue in History'. I think by the time I left a few years later, I'd read the book several times.
It's amazing that the Stockholm (under its various names and forms) has been in service for 72 years. She was laid up in 2020 when the pandemic started, and currently up for sale.
It was deliberately kept "alive" to show how tron design of Swedish vessel was. Stockholm was built for a North Atlantic service with stronger bow design against ice. Andrea Doria and all other Italian vessels served only warm southern waters.
I appreciate that you took the time to make another great episode for us. Hope all those other things are going well for you.
Awesome username.😂
The Andria Doria history was so well told. Thank you for covering it, you are a wonderful narrator. Before I retired from nursing l had a patient who was a passenger on the Andria Dorian’s final voyage. She was a sweet elderly lady who mostly spoke Italian but she was able to say that she was a child at the time and it was a beautiful ship.
Important lesson to be learned here: If anyone tells you the ship you are about to embark on is unsinkable, immediately cancel your tickets and take a plane!
RIP to all those people lost in this and other disasters at sea.
Even though this is a sad and horrible event, knowing that so many ships came and managed to rescue most of the passengers and crew is such a nice end.
This event had slipped from my mind, as I was 11 years old when it happened. My dad had hired a carpenter to do some work in our house. Family members of his were on that ship, and that made their welfare very personal. I cannot remember his name, but the ships names brought instant recognition. Also the pics, especially the LIFE magazine cover pic, made me recall the intensity of the event.
Thank you for your diligent research, and excellent presentation.
The absolute heroine of this tale was the Île-de-France. How wonderful must her lights have seemed as she arrived to save the day!
Plus, French onion soup in a time of stress is amazing!
Edit: One thing, the Azores rhymes with doors.
I've heard she basically went at maximum possible speed, even exceeding her rated top speed, to get there as soon as possible.
The way he says “Azores” is the way it’s said in Portugal
@@secouepaslekombucha There's a saying around these parts that comes in the form of a question. It's... "Pretentious? Moi!" 😆
@@danielkorladis7869 Yup! And arriving with all of her lights blazing was a lovely touch!
The reason i subscribed to this channel is simple. One day, learn about the Edmond Fitzgerald, go into a frenzy of videos. Found Maritime Horrors just put out a video for the Fitz. Then here comes the Bradley and Morrell videos. Absolutely loved the presentation and how well the channel constructed the videos.
This past week, learn about the Andrea Doria, especially how it’s the”Mount Everest” of scuba diving. Learned about Peter Gimbel’s 1980’s TV doc and the hole he cut into the ship to get the safe. Known as “Gimbels hole” Mainly how the “Fine China” from the AD is HIGHLY sought after by scuba divers. Always felt like i wanted to know more. Here comes Maritime Horrors in the clutch.
Thanks for the video!
I knew the Astoria was still in service but I never knew she had the Andrea Doria's bell on display. That seems just a little macabre. Like a serial killer keeping a trophy. 🤣
I just found your channel and I am absolutely loving it. I've always been fascinated by maritime disasters since I was a kid. (I was the 10 year old Titanic nerd back in the day who watched every Titanic documentary out there and read every book the library could give me.) Your attention to detail is marvelous and you really bring these events to life. I'm sure you get lots of topic suggestions but one disaster that doesn't get a lot of attention because it was kind of hushed up during WW2, is the collision of the RMS Queen Mary and the HMS Curacoa. I would love to see you cover that. Either way, keep up the good work!
I'm glad you're back! Yours is some of the best content on yt. I like that you don't exclude much of the "small" details. Keep up the great work!
Thank you so much for making these videos and re-igniting my childhood interests of shipwrecks again. While they are tragic, I regain a little bit of faith in humanity from hearing the rescue efforts everyone went through to make sure as many people got to safety as possible. I've been listening to all your videos while at work and it definitely makes my days go by faster. Keep it up, and you've just got yourself another Patreon supporter!
It’s so amazing that many people survived. Most of these videos end in sadness with most people not surviving the accident
It always impressed me how fast the Italian Merchant Marine bounced back after WWII, in 1951 the Italian line alone Launched a Combined 81,000 GRT of new vessels, between the Doria and her two South Atlantic Cousins, the Giulio Cesare and Augustus and by 1953 had also added the Cristoforo Columbo to round out their Genoa - New York service.
The Doria herself was unlike anything the Atlantic had seen before, where the next newest major liner, the Caronia was stuck in Cunard's pre war style, the Doria embraced the 50's with unmatched italian elegance, it brought italian design and luxury to the forefront as it ferried celebrities from new york to the Mediterranean and ushered in almost 40 years of italian dominance of "Haute Couture" that had, from the 20's until the 30's belonged to the french...
Il de France's captain made a real difference in the rescue.
Andrea Doria's captain was a sailor through and through.
Excellent! I was hoping you would get to this one. The Andrea Doria - Stockholm incident has long been one of my favourite maritime disaster stories, not through any morbid reasons, but because it happened not long before I was born. I saw a video about it, way back in the mid 1980s, and I was fascinated right there and then.
Don't ask me why - I just don't know, but I feel some strange affinity with the ship. Weird, I know.
I still have that video recording, but the video format is well and truly obsolete. I need to get a video player to allow me to copy the video to a more modern format.
I was wondering what came of you. After seeing the length of the video, I can see why, on top of your other responsibilities.
Absolutely well done, brother. Glad to see you're still at it.
btw just want to point out that many of the divers that have died in the ship have been from trying to get cups and plates
Welcome back. It feels like you've been gone a lot longer than just a few months.
I'm looking forward to seeing 👀 the new stuff.
I absolutely LOVE these long form videos! So good to listen to!
Ahhhh I've been patiently waiting for your return good sir 👏
I love those sleek lines of the Andria Doria. Ships aren’t beautiful anymore. Thank you Île de France. The Captain of the Andria Doria was a real captain. I remember he had to be practically forced off his ship. I love ocean liners and have travelled on quite a few.
I have been on ships that have lost their engines, been in hurricanes, outrun hurricanes and was on a ship that made a collision avoidance manoeuvre that caused the ship to list alarmingly. The rougher the weather the more I liked it.
The writer of this channel is to be commended for being an excellent story teller, on top of a good researcher. Great sense of drawing pertinent info together.
Interestingly, the picture at 3:20 is actually the lounge on board the SS America, the running mate of the United States. That she had a long career until running aground off the Canary Islands in 1994.
I grew up on Nantucket, the wreckage pieces recovered were a part of my experience growing up there and visiting the museum! Nantucket was always big on rescuing people, that was the biggest example of local compassion in our history.
Andrea Doria Brochure. When cleaning out my late mother's home, I found at the bottom of a box, a pristine copy of an original Andrea Doria brochure. I knew that my great aunt and uncle had sailed on the Andrea Doria sometime before the sinking so I was sure that, at some point, my mother had received possession of it. The interiors of the ship are stunning. And I often wonder what the brochure is worth.
Personally I think the Stockholm’s crew is primarily responsible for the collision, While the Andrea Doria’s crew is responsible for her loss.
agreed...the fact the AD's crew actually were pushing people out of lifeboats and setting off without being full was just disgusting
@@MrGoesBoom Agreed. Though to be fair the the whole of the crew. Most of the crew that fled in such s disgraceful fashion were more hotel staff than the sailors. From what I could tell most of the core Sailors/Officers remained on post until ordered otherwise.
What evedence do you use to lay the blame on Stockholm’s crew to be primarily responsible? If it was so "easy" the Italian shipping company would have gone to court and sued the Swedish shipping company. Intresting fact, the Italien capten was never given a new ship, but the Swedish helmsman (that was alone on the bridge) contine his career, and ended up as the capten for the bigest liner the Swedish shipping company owned.
@@kirgan1000 have you considered corruption in your “calculations”? Because last time I checked, the justice system is far from a perfect thing that prosecutes people which are to blame.
@@AUsernameWeShallMarchToKiev Do not evade the question, what evedence do you have?
Man, it’s been WAYYYYY too long since we’ve gotten a new MH video. Glad to see this one post.
The merchant marine that slept through the ship sinking is a testament to the saying that sailors can literally sleep anywhere lol
Incredible that people could consider the life story of George Costanza more sad than this. That older man deserved that apartment.
Reading the comments about the glow from the II De France, my anticipation grew waiting to hear it for myself. When it finally came around, I could picture a soft, silent approach, like a whisper that grows louder and louder; confirming to those on board that what they see was truly another chance at life - probably a fate not many would experience during a sinking.
The relief they would have felt seeing help arrive in such an angelic way - prayers answered. I felt myself smiling and wanting to cry had I witnessed such a sight in a much needed hour.
I can’t imagine the panic, sounds and emotions no one would ever wish to endure, let alone on the sea.
Such a terrifying tale
Great video! I just wished there was a map / diagram with the ship's movement evolution, not being familiar with port/starboard terminology makes it harder to follow
Port is left (same number of letters is how I remember).
@@MelanieCravens Yep, I remember it by the length of the words. The two shortest is port = left & the two longest is starboard = right.
Starboard comes from steerboard, the side of the ship with the large plank down it from before rudders were invented.
And supposedly the word "posh" comes from cabin designations of the wealthy. Port over, starboard home. So their cabin windows always look out to see & not the quayside.
@@Aengus42 I did not know that. Thank you.
The fact is that the Stockholm had on the bridge three guys whose total age was 62 or 63 years,and her captain was sleeping in his cabin.They knew there was fog,they knew that fog was often present in those waters and in that season,the third officer Carstens just made confusion with the scale of the radar,and Larsen,the man at the helm,was zigzagging,so when Carstens looked in the radar's screen the Doria appeared to be alternatively at port and at starboard. And the damage in the hull of the Doria was so huge that was a miracle if she survived for 9 hours after the collision.No ballast could have saved her. John J.Carrothers,a naval engineer recognised as one of the most important experts in ship collisions,stated that the responsability was of the swedish third officer Carstens, that during the fatal minutes demonstrated to be totally unexperienced and in total mental confusion. Carrothers' theory is shared by the Annapolis Naval Academy and captain Calamai's behavior is approved and studied in the U.S. naval academies.Personally I think that most of the responsability is of captain Nordenson,who was an old,skilled captain,but was sleeping in his cabin,leaving the responsability of his ship and of his passengers,in some of the most busy waters (called "Times squadre of the Atlantic") in the hands of three young boys.
If you want to play the blame game, Stockholm did have diesel engines, that allow the ship to reverse in a very short time. Hence Stockholm could stop within sight distance. AD did have trubin engines that take a very long time to reverse, so AD did travel in a reckless speed, in relation to sight distance. Not also that AD did never plot the radar echo. Stockholm was dead stop then AD that did go for full speed and did "slide" into Stockholm.
Both parties claim to have turn the right way according to the lanterns. So "total mental confusion" argument can be aplied to both steersmen.
Do you know how silly the "Times squadre of the Atlantic" sound. Let me trun the coin, Capten Piero Calamai was sleeping in his cabin, and did have his ship travell in recless speed in the fog, leaving the responsability to old men who was to lazsy to do proper radar plot.
Not I never say what ship was responsible, I only point out how silly the argument are.
The only "true" fact is that AD did travel to fast for the sight distance in the fog.
@@kirgan1000 Ask to the U.S. naval academy and they will give you a different answer. Carstens was not able to use the radar properly. The radar tracks that Carrothers exibited demonstrates perfectly what happened. Carstens was in total confusion,also trying to correct his ship's route,because of the stream that was pushing the Stockholm in shallow waters.He did it at list twice and was concentrated on this problem without paying attention to the radar scale.
Something I found neat in this, the captain of the Doria has a bit of a connection with the previous Andrea Doria, assisting her sister, the battleship Caio Duilio,
The long awaited return. Well narrated I've been looking for to this
“FIFTY ONE PEOPLE? that’s it? i thought it was like a thousand?”
“there were 1660 survivors”
“That’s no tragedy! how many people do you lose on a normal cruise? thirty? fourty?
It's a tragedy that ANYONE died. Nobody should die on a cruise
There it is...
Scrolling through to find this
Same here, finally found it lol. Best show off all time. Although curb is up there
38:27 after hearing about all the staff leaving the passenger behind in half empty life vessels (and similar stories in other maritime tragedies)… I get a sense of hope for humanity when the other ocean liner showed up to help.
Also how the captain did everything he could to find enough life boats for everyone (who still could) to get off the boat and not leaving himself until everyone was safely off.
Chivalry and honor unfortunately are severely lacking in todays society. Makes me wish I could live in times when it was more common sometimes.
Very detailed and very well researched, great job heh.
P.s. Also random fact The Ship in Ghost ship the 2002 movie is modeled after the Andrea Doria.
And her sister Christopher Colombo and Leonardo da Vinci.
Brilliant well worth the wait!
P.s. (edit) A suggestion for a new video would be the SS Hydrus. Aquired by Interlake the same year it sunk. Btw congrats to Interlake on the Mark W. Barker!
I'd like to see a documentary/film on this in the style of "saving the Titanic." I think that'd be a pretty amazing film.
For another sinking video, you could look into maritime disasters where a rescue ship that rescued the survivors of one disaster, only to sink before reaching port, with both the original passengers and crew and survivors. I always wondered if such would happen and how terrifying such an event could be.
is that real or did you make that up?
@@RK18771 I made it up, but I don't think it's absurd, there are tons of maritime disasters that have occurred, so it's possible there was one like the one I described.
I don’t hunk such a thing ever happened, with the possible exception of during war
@@randomscb-40charger78 I know that shortly after the carrier USS Langley was sank by a japanese submarine, the destroyer that rescued the survivors, was sank a few hours later by the same submarine
pretty sure i've heard of that happening with helicopter rescue - first a plane crashed then the rescue heli carrying survivors also crashed.
As a small child, my late mother told me the story of the Andrea Doria. I found it fascinating because she, her parents, sister, and brother immigrated to the United States from Italy on the Andrea Doria‘s sistership, the USS Cristoforo Colombo, in 1968.
I was 7 years old when this happened. I still remember seeing the news reels in the movies theaters at that time.
So, what you're telling me is the Andrea Doria was everything the Titanic was supposed to be and yet it's still a wreck.
I love your videos. You really have a knack for story telling. You make things understandable and easy to follow even for someone like me who doesn't frequent bodies of water any larger than my bathtub.
I did want to mention that your "waves" background actually makes me a bit nauseous to watch. I think its something to do with having that moving wave with a still image over it, so the waves are only visible on either side. I'm not sure if this effects anyone else, but it might be something to keep in mind as your channel grows.
Excellent video! Your channel is quickly becoming one of my favorites. I'm a SWO in the Navy myself so I'm pretty familiar with the case studies from your other videos, but you add a lot of interesting details every time. Bravo Zulu!
This was very good, you tell these stories with truth and zero BS. GREAT JOB!
A fun little fact about this wreck is that on Nantucket Island, there is a lifesaving museum, dedicated to honoring the volunteers that would help save lives whenever there was a shipwreck around the island (as there commonly were). As a result, the "Jetties" (local dialect for shoals) became nicknamed "the graveyard of the Atlantic" to some. I've actually been to this museum on one of my many trips to that island (I had family that lived there), and they do have things from the Andrea Doria there!
When will we learn to stop saying ships are unsinkable 💀
Here from Mudvayne and Ghostship. Been watching for a while but I was waiting for this one! 🤘🏻
Still in service after 74 years is impressive
My dad was in the Navy Reserve, training on an old rustbucket with no radar and a broken radio at night in a storm. It turned out that they steamed right past the Andrea Doria without a clue what was happening. Imagine their surprise!
In Genua, Italy, inside The Galata, museum of Sea, have a entire floor dedicated to this.
Man. Randomly getting recommended one of your videos sure got me hooked on these stories.
I've seen Titanic as a child and I can only assume that experience contributed to me developing Thalassophobia. However, for the last few days I've been hooked on the videos dedicated to similar disasters at sea. There is something fascinating about how one seemingly small thing leads to another until it's too late.
Also, as a classic Tomb Raider fan, I've heard this ship was the inspiration for the Maria Doria whose wreck appears in the second game, so as soon as I saw the title I knew I had to come and watch. Thank you for the in depth, quality work you do!
I've been following this disaster since i was a kid and i still don't know how this managed to happen because it seems so avoidable.
This was excellent storytelling, so much so that by 37 minutes in, I become so invested that it was emotional when the Isle de France shows up (spoilers).
That French ship might have rescued the most but I think all the ships crews and captains that came to their rescue especially that smaller ship that saved 101 souls. They showed true compassion .
you can always count on an Italian liner crew to save themselves.
Very excited, I've been hoping you'd upload soon
Thank you again , appreciate you are very busy , but really enjoy these videos .
Nantucket shoals are really shallow, I've never been near them cause we use the cape cod canal, but it's single digits at low tide.
You said you'd be busy. You're back with a good one. Thank you so much and good luck to you in all your endeavours.