Although ultimately on Sullivan I don't think Steidten escapes criticism. Where, after spending so much money, is our midfield. It's nonexistent in most matches. What was the footballing vision for midfield.
@sketch230 manager has to go, I'm not keen on sullivan but this isn't his fault,who appointed lopetegui and who in there wisdom deemed moyes to be replaced, I understand if we was poor like the season before finishing 14th, but we was 9th and played badly, room for improvement, with this manager we have gone back 5 yrs Why repair it when it doesn't need fixing!!!!! I'm baffled!⚒️⚒️⚒️⚒️
To be honest Sullivan brought Steidten in to improve things and it hasn’t worked out the way we all hoped Steidten can’t deflect criticism as he has to take some of it The new way of working with a technical director and head coach isn’t proving to be successful just yet
@@WESTHAMVOICE Agreed, but do we really know what goes on behind closed doors ? Has Steidten got a totally free role, does Loppy have a say on anything, is Sullivan still still putting his sticky little fingers in the pie ? We can only speculate, but at the mo, it aint working ! 😒
He had a great game last out when several players went missing. Its all very well saying who is out, but we can't really start with ten men, so say who will be coming instead! We can all say who we did'nt like post match. The strikers are the least of our concern. If Antonio scored a hatrick we still would not have won mate!
Wiggy is absolutely my favourite pundit, and you are very lucky to have him on the team, Stel. I wish the club hadn't bought a third keeper in the summer that would give Roberto a run for his money. Lopetegui will get fewer games than Lou Macari did at the rate he's going. Our club has gone back to being a circus.
I’m done with Loppy, I can’t see him turning this around, I saw enough after 5 games and nothing has changed. Can’t keep giving him more games to piss up the wall. He’s also ruining Kudus, not only our best player but our most value asset .
Thanks, gentlemen,, travelled home from a holiday , Majorca ,whilst the game was on ,,, 1 ,0 to us getting on the plane,,, getting off the plane ,,I nearly threw my phone down the runway,,, 0:15
We were defended fior our lives in the first half and Lopetegui didn't ring the changes at half time. the attacking options spurs had from the bench compared to ours is ridiculous
This is where I thought Lopetegui would use his tactical skills to play a different way I expected us to play counter attacking football against spurs and we didn’t
We lack intensity; half asleep at the beginning of the 2nd. Lope has the pedigree but the team was serving up Pedigree Chum for most of the game. Thanks once again, Stel, for fronting up!
@@WESTHAMVOICE Yes I remember him at Fulham and I thought he was excellent, then when he came to us I thought he would be our Number 1 for several seasons. But this last year or so he seems to have lost some confidence and although he can still make great saves , he's prone to getting beaten at his near post! Lets hope he'll get himself sorted. Otherwise I think we may have to go shopping.
@@alasdaircampbell1779 either replace or better still establish what is going on with goalie coaching behind the scenes as Areola is doing the same mistakes as Fabianski did
Lopetegui will be sacked by xmas if not after the man utd game if we lose, This appointment is shocking, get rid nw, and salvage our season I was embarrassed watching that game.
No way in the world will J-Lo get sacked. Sully won’t take action until and if we really are in the mire. Just look at history, we do not have a record of knee jerk sackings.
So, you don't think sacking moyes was a knee jerking sacking, 9th place and a poor season,and he gets replaced by this pile if s..t If he doesn't go we will be down the bottom, luckily for us there are worse sides than us down there, We are normally loyal to our managers unless your david moyes, I remember pellegrini, grant, billic,they all stayed far too long, He has to go or all the work to get a mid table side has gone up in smoke, Glory hunter fans have caused this, and by sullivan actually listening to them I bet moyes has a smirk on his face nw, disrespectful and unappreciative morons "Be careful what you wish for" and look what we got🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I said this would happen when moyes was unceremoniously sacked for a 9th position, by the west ham glry hunters,fans who want exciting football, Under lopetegui we have gone back five years and only cos of poorer sides down the bottom we will stay up. I have been watching west ham 55 years and it's always same old old, I am still baffled by this geezers appointment.over moyes,but it is done nw, Get rid or we will have another pelligrini ,grant or billic on our hands, Best managers we have ever had were greenwood, lyall and moyes, Other than moyes we are loyal to our managers, this one has to go or we will be relegation fodder AGAIN!
People keep saying the defence is woeful.. I'd argue that the problem more in lies with the players in front of them in the middle of the park. No pace, not sharp enough. Paqueta is not strong enough on the ball, Soucek and Guido just not sharp enough. The defence gets overrun whenever a team attacks us this year. And again, haggling over Durans price tag will haunt us all season i think
I agree with that We have most certainly improved the defence but I agree that perhaps its midfield that’s letting our defence down Time to start bringing in some different personnel from the start rather than as subs
Regardless of what the idea was at the start of the day it was criminal of Loppi not to realise the liability of Paqueta and sub him at half time. We've praised him for making decisive, if not always obvious, changes. He can't get away with not seeing what so many fans clearly were as regards Pacman.
Problem is Lopetegui was given 8 new signings. He has to make them work otherwise he has failed as a coach. Agree Antonio needs to come off the subs bench. Still think we need to review things at the end of christmas before we can make an informed decision.
Edson Alvarez was seen warming up in the 49th minute when the score was tied at 1-1. However, the substitutions weren’t made until the score reached 4-1 in the 61st minute. Why did it take so long? Our coach is certainly a stable genius-no doubt about that.
That was a bit of a Moyes sub approach If he wanted Alvarez on then he should have done it at half time rather than wait I agree changes shouldn’t have taken so long
Fella’s I totally accept your opinion, you’re at the games week in week out . I’m happy for Loppy to be given more time, the whole season. But having said that I don’t think the Manager will turn things around.
Areola really should do better for every goal. Beat at his near post twice, dives the wrong way for the second when he has no reason to and the one that hits him and then the defender he could have gathered easily but instead went with his feet, his so bad. Loppy still getting the line up wrong, zero legs in midfield that's hurting us and for whatever reason this team just has no idea how to give it a go once we go one up, it's like it's default setting to just sit in after we take the lead. I really wanted to give Lop time but we really are easier to beat with him here and he looks clueless at times.
Good points Dan The issue of Areola again leads me to question how he’s being coached. He seems so different to the goalie we first bought Our midfield is now becoming a huge worry and probably this is where the most change is needed which probably goes on to your point of why not capitalise on going a goal up.. because we simply don’t have the strength in midfield to build on a lead
If only West Ham would sign free agent Paul Pogba who will be available by March 2025, and also coming in as a free agent. He's determined to have a great new start and also reduce his salary to play football. We can all testify to the fact that he's a better midfielder than most of the guys we have in his role... Watching from Ghana 🇬🇭
For me it's very, very simple. If we want to progress our club and become a solid top 8 side with the potential of Europe, sack Lopetegui and re-start. If we want to continue playing the way we played under Moyes with the same or worse results, keep him & suck it up. End of story. It's that basic.
I agree on Areola he has been wanting in so many areas of [modern] goalkeeper skills. And keeps getting done low to his right. For the Son goal what the hell are we doing leaving him with half the pitch to run into, Bissaka had a great game but he is our right back and should have been on Son! Areola needs to let Lukas have a few games. no tracking back on the eqaliser,.Kudus let himself and the team down he took THE shirt off ,and he can clear off as no one is bigger than the club. Strangely we played some encouraging football to feet and it was a delight to watch at times. But its a results business and we need to step up next week.
The whole team drops when your keeper fucks up and he's done it too often now. If you can't rely on your keeper then you can't keep to your game plan. You need confidence in your keeper.
Sadly Stel I think the pattern for the season is now starting to take shape. We have beaten the teams currently 16th and 17th, drawn against teams that will finish 11th to 16th and we have been smashed by the big teams. Looking like a long season ahead. I had been praying for much better.
Really sorry you had to experience that , Stel!! It’s really not good that Kudus is out for 3 games because of his action. J Lo really must turned this around significantly long before Christmas comes, otherwise it will be a horrible period………………
I can't believe the amount of fans that think he'll be given to xmas . He wont see bonfire night. The club brought these players in clearly to challenge for europe as an absolute minimum . Theres strong rumours kretinsky is seriously pissed off with Sullivan and wants him and Brady out the club. Dont be surprised if he exercises his buy out option. Its rumoured it runs out at the 3 year mark. Which is a few weks away . Great video as usual stel .
I think he will get till Xmas to be honest mate As for kretinsky don’t fall for the rumours… he’s at arms length and if anything he will sell his share of the club to make a huge profit
😮kudus is rightfully frustrated because he is way better than paquetta as number 10. The manager has frustrated him by playkng him as number 11 eventhough we all know he is a number 10. Loppy n paquetta are to be blamed. Pacman made two blunders that led to two goals
@@daniellastuart3145because kudus cares he was the best player today for west ham. Loppy pefers pacman at 10 than kudus in the middle pacman was shite always loosing the ball in critical zones
Son had Todibo in his pocket second half. Poor distribution from Areola who had a poor game. Full backs we’re both good. Midfield poor. Still want to have faith in Loppy however the team still looks disjointed. Now Kudus has 3 match ban for losing his head.
Spurs was sleeping and Kudus scored,but we hung on from there,got battered in every facet of the game,poor Antonio. We smashed a very poor IPSWICH team which masked our limitations,cannot see any improvement from Moyes era
Yep we probably did score against the run of play but kudus had a similar chance before he scored which meant that spurs were vulnerable Their tactical switch in the second half won the game for them
My thoughts are similar on Areola… something has gone wrong over the past year or so where he seems to be playing differently He’s no longer dominating his box and his ball distribution has become awful
Still too defensive, always passing back at first opportunity. Not very impressed with his team and the way they play. Kudos looks fed up, no played in no 10. Hard to watch
Genuinely don’t think Moyes will be asked a third time because it would mean Steidten also walking But I can see the possibility of a managerial change by Xmas
Spud TNT commentator got VAR to ket Kudus sent off. McCoist told him to grow some but he kept on about it deserving a red when it was just handbags. They listen to commentary and he should be sacked for infuencing decisions on the pitch. Three games without Kudus now.
@@WESTHAMVOICE my hearings fine ... I sit in the east stand just above the away support and they did sing it once ... I couldn't understand why but they did sing it once obviously they realised it was a bad mistake to sing it ... even we wouldn't of sung it .... cos either way ur praising the other team .... I only asked cos I couldn't understand why anyone wud sing it ..... I'll leave it there .... COYS 👍
Always good to self critique but in this case Tottenham played brilliantly. Spurs go up and down like a yoyo they are “spursy” after all. They would beat nearly any team in the prem on their day at home. West ham came up against top form spurs with top class players back from international duties. Give the new guy time. “Tits”the keeper was shocking though. Keeper doesn’t need to play a strategic part. Just needs to do his job.
Stel That Was A Joke What The Hell No Alvarez Paquetà Was Way Off Form Yet Again Kudus Was The Best Player On The Pitch He Went For Everything That's Alvarezs Job Todibos Own Goal Smashed His Confidence Loppy Has No Tactics He's Doing It Off The Hip For Man Utd Summerville On The Left Bowen On The Right as There Is No Kudus For The Next 3 Games Paquetà Has To Be Dropped And Soler On and Ings For Antonio
This bloke is not up to the job stel, and it is essential the club act quickly. We were awful all game, team selection was dreadful, that midfield is simply not good enough
I wouldn’t say we were awful all game mate We held our own in the first half but totally capitulated in the second Agree that our midfield isn’t doing it right now
@@WESTHAMVOICE yet the genius refuses to play our best holding midfielder, I think we are seeing the same failure in midfield all too often mate. On calmer reflection you are right we did ok first half
Pathetic from us. 1 GOAL isn’t enough. We always give ANYONE too much effing respect. We had a good few chances but it’s about taking em. I saw the shot stats - (WH 4 Shots, 2 on target ‘50%’) - (CXXXs - 10 Shots, 2 on target ‘20%’) yes stats don’t win games but however they show who takes their chances better & who does what with the ball better. Sorry but I’ve had enough for this nonsense. JWP should have been kept, Bowen on corners is awful. Paqeata got a lot of stick but imo he played a lot better than his recent games. Emerson & AWB have been excellent but AWB doesn’t track back fast enough for me. Bowen, Kudus & Antonio looked like they tried so hard. The subs should have been made at the start of the second half. What makes today worst is the online internet troll CXXXs very pathetic. When it went 4-1 I left my gaff took Nobes for a walk. Fuming absolutely fuming. Unfortunately back to reality, we will never be bigger than what we are, we have hit our ceiling. Feels like I’m now doubting myself about Moyes. I have been Moyes out for 2 years especially with the inconsistency & style of play, but what I watched today felt worst than Moyesball because this is supposed to be a level up. As long as Sully has our club by the balls we will never grow. Tottenham looked fantastic today only because we let them into the game so many times. West Ham untied is a dead club since we moved. They all sing it “we ain’t West Ham anymore”. We moved to compete for top spots & more but however the Europa conference league sugarcoated our failure in the league. Imo we will never reach the heights we want. We was only in European because the teams like Tottenham, Arsenal finished below us once or twice. West Ham is a mid table team and games like this shows we ain’t massive. The move has made me delusional, I gave it so much faith but.. LLTB…. Yes the game is away but I treat all games the same since the move to the community centre spaceship looking toilet bowel we got. F anyone who wants to give me stick, I’ve spent almost 30 years of my life going West Ham, home & away, I am 3rd generation of hammer fan in my family, my son is the 4th generation. I’m glad I didn’t go today and spent my Saturday afternoon at home with my dog watching our poxy football on the box. I’ll be there next week for United but my god. This is dross.
Matt that came from the heart mate and I feel your frustration You’ve hit the nail on the head that we probably are no more than a mid table club. But if we got it right there’s no reason why we can change that mentality Look at Aston Villa who are riding high The Lopetegui choice is beginning to look like the wrong one and I do wonder whether he will last beyond Christmas now We just have to see what happens over the next few games but we do not seem to be ready to compete with the better clubs in the league
@@WESTHAMVOICE Stel, it broke me yesterday. We are still losing by huge margins as well as it feels like the players are not jelling well. Imo we got too many foreign players who lacks the understanding of the premiership. Listening to rumours about the likes of Bowen & Cress explaining the importance of a London derby especially West Ham Spurs, seems like that didn’t work. Before anyone dares to slag me off about being racist because I said we got too many foreign players needs to jog on. I’m mixed. I try to balance my criticism & give credit when it is due. But however there was nothing from yesterday that I can praise. Jlo is walking on thin ice with the fan base. 2 wins in 8 is poor. The goal difference is now back to what it was before spanking Ipswich 4-1. -4. The high line leaves us exposed for a counter attack which happened several times. Todibo & AWB out of position which allowed Son to freely roam that area & he scored. The outside noise is unbelievable especially that the MSM loves their precious David Moyes & we are not allowed to improve. Moyes was given a 2 year deal as a ‘Head Coach’ but felt like that was disrespectful. (Which was reported by many channels). Surely the board, Chairmen/Woman (in Brady), manager, Nobes & Tim talks. If so then Moyes should have known why Tim is here. Gonzo did a video months ago about someone from TalkSport or Sky Sports calling Tim a “sneaky weasel”. Which was & still is hilarious. I’ve said this multiple times in comments here at West Ham Voice or other channels. “I will forever be grateful for Mr David Moyes but however it’s time for both parties to move on”. Jlo needs to understand that our next coming fixtures are crucial. Only, ipswich, Palace, wolves, Southampton are the only teams without wins, I’ll bet they would love to play us soon especially if we continue playing in this manner. Think the way we have treated some of the academy players in recent seasons is unacceptable. Johnson (my pal) not a lot of the fan base wanted him to stay on. But he’s a good player just needs time & a good chance just like any other player. Earthy & the ones now should have at least stayed on getting some minutes not a huge fan of loaning out. Downes & JWP poor deals. Need them. I can keep going but think we all know what’s what.
I'm rapidly losing interest in West Ham, apart from Europe the football has been utterly dreadful for two or three years now, I don't know how long we can tolerate this utter garbage
I said give Lopo at least six games and on the 8th we get thumped 4-1 by spurs and lets face reality it could have easily been 6 or 7, there's no improvement even though the team has had 2 weeks to train and practice, fitness doesn't look to have improved and the players attitude has gone to shit, when the players seemed happier under Moyes then it's time to question the manager I reckon, we didn't start great, spurs just took 20 min to wake up...
We heard a lot about lopeteguis man management when he first took the job on but I agree mate it doesn’t look as if there is any cohesion amongst the squad
You got soundly beaten by a better team. In the first 45 you defended well but walked into the sheds exhausted. In the second, Ange brought on the legs and the game was done.
Hey I won’t lie we did get soundly beaten Not deluded enough to think otherwise We held our own in the first half so I don’t agree that we were exhausted by half time. Certainly not in defence But we desperately needed a change upfront in the second half to take the game to you
Stell we are not quick enough our midfield cannot pass a ball quickly or even accurate enough for the prem we have no midfield to line up like that was aufull the midfield was non existent like Chelsea again
We didnt look ok in the first half, spurs were all over us i must of been watching s different game. Yes we defended ok but it was one way traffic. They had 12 corners in the first half which is a record in the PL.we just gave them the ball to try and try again. I said at halftime that loopy needs to change it otherwise we are going to get stuffed on FB chat. That was my words. Spurs could of been up by 4 goaks first half. Things had to change. But nothing. Im shocked you think we were ok first half
Don’t disagree that it was relentless one way traffic in the first half Graham, but we held our own and defended really well And I totally agree with you that, despite that, we wanted to see change at half time Having said that, the point about the first half was that we looked comfortable when we had the ball but we gave the ball away too many times. Spurs changed it at half time, as we should have also done, and we got rightly punished
your midfield is non existent, it's a complete mismatch of individuals, the links between defence and attack are achieved through hope, nothing else. Why does Paqueta keep starting,? unreal!
Absolutely shite performance after going 1 nil up and backing off and backing off , until it's 4-1 , Bowen your not captain material, it's alright scoring against Ipswich and cupping your ear but up against a better team it's all over..
We still haven't sorted the midfield issues, paqueta needs to be dropped he offers nothing , soucek is equally as bad , Rodriguez did ok today we have no fucking pace one CDM of either Rodrigo or Alvarez. Absolutely no excuse for Kudus to do what he did twice now we have lost him for 3 games. I'm starting to have serious doubts over areola he is hot and cold at best. We need a serious re-org from top to bottom. Fucking fuming , embarrassing second half performance. To capitulate like that in 5 mins shambles.
This is on sullivan head. He got the manager in . We have no engine in midfield, no pace no strength. It's been a problem for ages.
Although ultimately on Sullivan I don't think Steidten escapes criticism. Where, after spending so much money, is our midfield. It's nonexistent in most matches. What was the footballing vision for midfield.
@sketch230 manager has to go, I'm not keen on sullivan but this isn't his fault,who appointed lopetegui and who in there wisdom deemed moyes to be replaced, I understand if we was poor like the season before finishing 14th, but we was 9th and played badly, room for improvement, with this manager we have gone back 5 yrs
Why repair it when it doesn't need fixing!!!!!
I'm baffled!⚒️⚒️⚒️⚒️
To be honest Sullivan brought Steidten in to improve things and it hasn’t worked out the way we all hoped
Steidten can’t deflect criticism as he has to take some of it
The new way of working with a technical director and head coach isn’t proving to be successful just yet
@@WESTHAMVOICE Agreed, but do we really know what goes on behind closed doors ? Has Steidten got a totally free role, does Loppy have a say on anything, is Sullivan still still putting his sticky little fingers in the pie ? We can only speculate, but at the mo, it aint working ! 😒
Must agree with one of your listeners comment, Sullivan is digging a hole for himself and there’ll be no wiggling his way out of it,,
Kudus on the RAMPAGE!!! Frustration boiling over I'm afraid cos he is so much better...stick him in the middle and make him CAPTAIN!!!
Kudus hasn’t looked right all season and there is something going on that we’re not aware of
@WESTHAMVOICE loppi is not the manager we wanted , sullivan went cheap .
There is other managers out there , younger managers
Cheers Stel/Wiggy, I worry about Areola when we have goalkicks and we play out from the back 😟😟
Yep it seems Areola has deteriorated which is such a shame
Antonio - that has to be the end for him. Ageing fast and it’s showing.
Agree
He had a great game last out when several players went missing. Its all very well saying who is out, but we can't really start with ten men, so say who will be coming instead! We can all say who we did'nt like post match. The strikers are the least of our concern. If Antonio scored a hatrick we still would not have won mate!
Nothing to say about Pacqueta who was Dogshit? Digging Antonio out is a kop out for clix!
Wiggy is absolutely my favourite pundit, and you are very lucky to have him on the team, Stel. I wish the club hadn't bought a third keeper in the summer that would give Roberto a run for his money. Lopetegui will get fewer games than Lou Macari did at the rate he's going. Our club has gone back to being a circus.
It’s incredible how far back we seem to have gone
Wiggy is a good mate and am always happy for him to have his say
What is wrong with our club? We always have the same cycle decades upon decades. 🤦
I know mate
Just when you think things will improve we go backwards instead
@@WESTHAMVOICE Tis the West Ham Way!!!!!
That's what you get when sullivan picks manager
Well it’s not just on sulllivan
We have a SCOOP...Davy Moyes is here with me. "David?"......
Might be true by Christmas
I’m done with Loppy, I can’t see him turning this around, I saw enough after 5 games and nothing has changed. Can’t keep giving him more games to piss up the wall. He’s also ruining Kudus, not only our best player but our most value asset .
Can’t disagree with these comments mate
Second half was shocking.
Awful
Played well in the first half. God knows what happened in the second half. We will miss kudus now. Still need a decent striker. ⚒
Completely contrasting halves
Lopetegui needs to make changes for the next game
Thanks, gentlemen,, travelled home from a holiday , Majorca ,whilst the game was on ,,, 1 ,0 to us getting on the plane,,, getting off the plane ,,I nearly threw my phone down the runway,,, 0:15
Not have Antonio????? Who else is going to score 4 goals a season?
Ah mate the irony in that comment
We were defended fior our lives in the first half and Lopetegui didn't ring the changes at half time. the attacking options spurs had from the bench compared to ours is ridiculous
Yep and their changes immediately had an effect
The problem is, when we come up vs teams that keep the ball well & dominate possession we capitulate, which is a worrying trait!
This is where I thought Lopetegui would use his tactical skills to play a different way
I expected us to play counter attacking football against spurs and we didn’t
We lack intensity; half asleep at the beginning of the 2nd. Lope has the pedigree but the team was serving up Pedigree Chum for most of the game. Thanks once again, Stel, for fronting up!
There is so much to unpick from this mate - almost too difficult to determine where to start
I'm beginning to agree regarding Areloa, he seems to be regressing
What a shame because he excited me as a keeper when he first arrived at the club
@@WESTHAMVOICE Yes I remember him at Fulham and I thought he was excellent, then when he came to us I thought he would be our Number 1 for several seasons. But this last year or so he seems to have lost some confidence and although he can still make great saves , he's prone to getting beaten at his near post! Lets hope he'll get himself sorted. Otherwise I think we may have to go shopping.
@@alasdaircampbell1779 either replace or better still establish what is going on with goalie coaching behind the scenes as Areola is doing the same mistakes as Fabianski did
Lopetegui will be sacked by xmas if not after the man utd game if we lose,
This appointment is shocking, get rid nw, and salvage our season
I was embarrassed watching that game.
The first half was full of promise
The second half was a capitulation
No way in the world will J-Lo get sacked. Sully won’t take action until and if we really are in the mire. Just look at history, we do not have a record of knee jerk sackings.
So, you don't think sacking moyes was a knee jerking sacking,
9th place and a poor season,and he gets replaced by this pile if s..t
If he doesn't go we will be down the bottom, luckily for us there are worse sides than us down there,
We are normally loyal to our managers unless your david moyes,
I remember pellegrini, grant, billic,they all stayed far too long,
He has to go or all the work to get a mid table side has gone up in smoke,
Glory hunter fans have caused this, and by sullivan actually listening to them
I bet moyes has a smirk on his face nw, disrespectful and unappreciative morons
"Be careful what you wish for" and look what we got🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I said this would happen when moyes was unceremoniously sacked for a 9th position, by the west ham glry hunters,fans who want exciting football,
Under lopetegui we have gone back five years and only cos of poorer sides down the bottom we will stay up.
I have been watching west ham 55 years and it's always same old old,
I am still baffled by this geezers appointment.over moyes,but it is done nw,
Get rid or we will have another pelligrini ,grant or billic on our hands,
Best managers we have ever had were greenwood, lyall and moyes,
Other than moyes we are loyal to our managers, this one has to go or we will be relegation fodder AGAIN!
@@kirkhogan2688Moyes was a busted flush . Problem is the replacement isn't any better. Sullivan took the cheapest option as usual.
First Half was a moyes masterclass 😂 2nd Half I couldn't believe it was 3-1 then 4 Areola glued to he's line.great shot stopper but that's it.
Can’t just blame Areola for this result
The whole team collapsed in the second half
Kilman & Todibo in 2nd half is not fitness but Fight & Mentality which atm can be said of the whole team.
They were worn down and not helped by our midfield
Ange changed maddison for sarr at half time which stiffened up the midfield and stopped west ham getting through
Yep that’s what changed the game
People keep saying the defence is woeful.. I'd argue that the problem more in lies with the players in front of them in the middle of the park. No pace, not sharp enough. Paqueta is not strong enough on the ball, Soucek and Guido just not sharp enough. The defence gets overrun whenever a team attacks us this year. And again, haggling over Durans price tag will haunt us all season i think
I agree with that
We have most certainly improved the defence but I agree that perhaps its midfield that’s letting our defence down
Time to start bringing in some different personnel from the start rather than as subs
Oh Stel that was a shit 2nd half -not sure Lopetegui knows what he is doing 😢
Your right I think we should be looking at a new coach
@@AlexSmith-tr7xn best do it now Alex imo
@markwatson6579 that's the worst I ever seen west ham I can't remember a worst game
I think David Sullivan is doing this on purpose he wants David moyes back he is taking all west ham fans for idiots
We did well for it to be 1-1 by half time but postecoglou made the change he needed to unlock our defence
Speechless
I wish I was
Regardless of what the idea was at the start of the day it was criminal of Loppi not to realise the liability of Paqueta and sub him at half time. We've praised him for making decisive, if not always obvious, changes. He can't get away with not seeing what so many fans clearly were as regards Pacman.
Completely agree
Paqueta is getting off Scot free with his errors
Problem is Lopetegui was given 8 new signings. He has to make them work otherwise he has failed as a coach. Agree Antonio needs to come off the subs bench. Still think we need to review things at the end of christmas before we can make an informed decision.
I’m Willing to give him till Xmas and I agree he needs to integrate the new players better
"Didn't do much [Kudus ], but the guy went down like he'd been shot"?
What a load of bollocks.
Don’t disagree but the minute you raise your arm a red card looms
Edson Alvarez was seen warming up in the 49th minute when the score was tied at 1-1. However, the substitutions weren’t made until the score reached 4-1 in the 61st minute. Why did it take so long? Our coach is certainly a stable genius-no doubt about that.
That was a bit of a Moyes sub approach
If he wanted Alvarez on then he should have done it at half time rather than wait
I agree changes shouldn’t have taken so long
@@WESTHAMVOICE Worse than < .
Fella’s I totally accept your opinion, you’re at the games week in week out . I’m happy for Loppy to be given more time, the whole season. But having said that I don’t think the Manager will turn things around.
I think deep down Martin we are also thinking the same thing
Areola really should do better for every goal. Beat at his near post twice, dives the wrong way for the second when he has no reason to and the one that hits him and then the defender he could have gathered easily but instead went with his feet, his so bad. Loppy still getting the line up wrong, zero legs in midfield that's hurting us and for whatever reason this team just has no idea how to give it a go once we go one up, it's like it's default setting to just sit in after we take the lead. I really wanted to give Lop time but we really are easier to beat with him here and he looks clueless at times.
Good points Dan
The issue of Areola again leads me to question how he’s being coached. He seems so different to the goalie we first bought
Our midfield is now becoming a huge worry and probably this is where the most change is needed which probably goes on to your point of why not capitalise on going a goal up.. because we simply don’t have the strength in midfield to build on a lead
Cannot win with a below average goalie,unless you score 5-6 per game.
If only West Ham would sign free agent Paul Pogba who will be available by March 2025, and also coming in as a free agent. He's determined to have a great new start and also reduce his salary to play football. We can all testify to the fact that he's a better midfielder than most of the guys we have in his role... Watching from Ghana 🇬🇭
You know that’s an interesting shout but his wage demands might be too high and he will have his eye on a bigger team
I think it doesn’t matter what manager we have, at nothing until Sullivan and Brady go
I know many fans want the current owners to leave but there is no guarantee a new owner would be any better
For me it's very, very simple. If we want to progress our club and become a solid top 8 side with the potential of Europe, sack Lopetegui and re-start. If we want to continue playing the way we played under Moyes with the same or worse results, keep him & suck it up. End of story. It's that basic.
It does feel that this is the way it’s going right now
and get a Stafium which is not NEUTRAL so you, once again , have a Home advantage,every other game..
Wearing that shirt in Mid October is a sending off offence 😂😅😂
That’s one of his better shirts
@@WESTHAMVOICE 🤣🤣🤣⚒️
I agree on Areola he has been wanting in so many areas of [modern] goalkeeper skills. And keeps getting done low to his right. For the Son goal what the hell are we doing leaving him with half the pitch to run into, Bissaka had a great game but he is our right back and should have been on Son!
Areola needs to let Lukas have a few games. no tracking back on the eqaliser,.Kudus let himself and the team down he took THE shirt off ,and he can clear off as no one is bigger than the club. Strangely we played some encouraging football to feet and it was a delight to watch at times. But its a results business and we need to step up next week.
Hate to say it but I’m beginning to sense some disharmony in the squad or by certain players
Things aren’t clicking right now
The whole team drops when your keeper fucks up and he's done it too often now. If you can't rely on your keeper then you can't keep to your game plan. You need confidence in your keeper.
Areola didn’t have his best game but then the midfield let the defence down too
Sadly Stel I think the pattern for the season is now starting to take shape. We have beaten the teams currently 16th and 17th, drawn against teams that will finish 11th to 16th and we have been smashed by the big teams. Looking like a long season ahead. I had been praying for much better.
Yep agreed Tony … Lopetegui was brought in to compete with the teams fighting for top six but we’re miles away from doing that
Really sorry you had to experience that , Stel!! It’s really not good that Kudus is out for 3 games because of his action. J Lo really must turned this around significantly long before Christmas comes, otherwise it will be a horrible period………………
We take the rough with the smooth Mike
Kudus will be a big loss
kudus runs past 3/4 players when on the ball,when running back the same players run away from him.why
Good point Bill
Perhaps he doesn’t track back as he should?
Our next three games are all winnable. If we fail to get atleast 6 points, I'd say it's time for Lopetegui to go
It would be very difficult to keep him if we don’t get at least 6 points
Pacqueta has got to go FFS, constantly giving the ball away in our half putting us under pressure! Get rid!
He’s become a massive liability
I can't believe the amount of fans that think he'll be given to xmas . He wont see bonfire night. The club brought these players in clearly to challenge for europe as an absolute minimum . Theres strong rumours kretinsky is seriously pissed off with Sullivan and wants him and Brady out the club. Dont be surprised if he exercises his buy out option. Its rumoured it runs out at the 3 year mark. Which is a few weks away . Great video as usual stel .
I think he will get till Xmas to be honest mate
As for kretinsky don’t fall for the rumours… he’s at arms length and if anything he will sell his share of the club to make a huge profit
😮kudus is rightfully frustrated because he is way better than paquetta as number 10. The manager has frustrated him by playkng him as number 11 eventhough we all know he is a number 10. Loppy n paquetta are to be blamed. Pacman made two blunders that led to two goals
Can’t disagree with that
Kudus needs to play in the centre or on the right
Paqueta has become a liability
Enemy territory !!😂😂
As in Northumberland Road station 😂
I said before the season began, I hope for 6th but expect 10th. However I forgot how bloody painful its gna be to watch!
It would not surprise me if we finish mid table Brian
Relegation
Id say more like hope for 10th
Bring on next game
Not sure I want to right now
Maybe a change in goalkeeping coach needs to be looked at? If Areola is doing the same as Fab…they have the same coach!
That’s my thinking. But I may be wrong
Seems too coincidental
Freebie manager shit, shocked not shocked 😂😂😂
I am now beginning to question Lopetegui
That was down to the players who lost concertration at the worng time. Kudus lost he's head at the end
Spurs were not that good at the end
@@daniellastuart3145because kudus cares he was the best player today for west ham. Loppy pefers pacman at 10 than kudus in the middle pacman was shite always loosing the ball in critical zones
You mentioned Areola fault becoming like Fabianski, is that down to Xavi Valero our goalkeeping coach?
That’s exactly my thinking Bill
I mentioned it in a show a few weeks ago
SPURS R EVERYTHING WERE NOT..... PROPER BUILT STADIUM..... WE NEED NEW OWNERS 2 TAKE US TO THE NEXT LEVEL....
It could be the owners but then even the spurs fans aren’t keen on their owner
I am not a Premier Sife supporter but you're 100% right. You are playing one Away and one on Neutral ground.
We gave the ball away so many times. Midfield far to slow. Manager is no different to moyes.
Bring in Parker or Carrick
No… Paqueta gave the ball away too many times
He needs to be dropped and we need a head coach who won’t be afraid to bench him
Personally, I don’t think we have played well in any game this season. Ipswich was a blip and we were still open but they couldn’t capitalise.
We’ve seen glimpses of good play but that’s not enough
Son had Todibo in his pocket second half. Poor distribution from Areola who had a poor game. Full backs we’re both good. Midfield poor.
Still want to have faith in Loppy however the team still looks disjointed.
Now Kudus has 3 match ban for losing his head.
Todibo was poorly exposed in the second half
Postecoglou outwitted Lopetegui in the second half
Spurs was sleeping and Kudus scored,but we hung on from there,got battered in every facet of the game,poor Antonio.
We smashed a very poor IPSWICH team which masked our limitations,cannot see any improvement from Moyes era
Yep we probably did score against the run of play but kudus had a similar chance before he scored which meant that spurs were vulnerable
Their tactical switch in the second half won the game for them
The midfield is the problem slow with no creativity, extra pressure on defence ,which is not that bad wont change
Yes agree with that David
Areola was and still is mustard. That 1st half save was world-class. I dont blame Areola, I blame the coach. West Ham are a mess.
Agree ⚒
My thoughts are similar on Areola… something has gone wrong over the past year or so where he seems to be playing differently
He’s no longer dominating his box and his ball distribution has become awful
A mad 10 minutes but OK refuse to have a meltdown over this
I think we can see the whole game spurs were more dominant
But yep those 10/15 minutes hurt us bad
Let’s be honest guys this should have been the score line last year yet we won.
True but ironically after our first half today, we didn’t expect this outcome
Still too defensive, always passing back at first opportunity.
Not very impressed with his team and the way they play.
Kudos looks fed up, no played in no 10.
Hard to watch
Yep there’s a lack of pace in midfield
Kudus body language hasn’t been right all season
We need a new keeper & a new manager
Disappointed with Areola
What are the odds on Moyes coming back to rescue West Ham from a threat of relegation?
Genuinely don’t think Moyes will be asked a third time because it would mean Steidten also walking
But I can see the possibility of a managerial change by Xmas
We cannot defend for 90 minutes and cannot score either. This is the worse of all worlds Stel
It is mate
As I said at least last season we were scoring a lot of goals despite conceding but we’re not even doing that now
We are not physically strong enough … weak and we didn’t win one second ball … I think the players aren’t as good as we think they are ?!?!?
Yep we were patting ourselves on the back for a great transfer window which perhaps isn’t as great as we thought
The manager won't help Westham
You might be correct
Spud TNT commentator got VAR to ket Kudus sent off. McCoist told him to grow some but he kept on about it deserving a red when it was just handbags. They listen to commentary and he should be sacked for infuencing decisions on the pitch. Three games without Kudus now.
Didn’t know that and if that’s true then that’s match interference
We are a work in progress, the problem is we are making zero progress. Worrying times !!
Lopetegui had a solid foundation to build from but he’s not used it well
Can u explain to me why when u were 1 nil up u started singing chim chim cheroo we are Tottenham in claret and blue ????
We didn’t and have never sung that
@@WESTHAMVOICE I was there and you were singing it
@@johnjo9360 I was there and we weren’t signing it
Clearly you need to get your hearing checked
@@WESTHAMVOICE my hearings fine ... I sit in the east stand just above the away support and they did sing it once ... I couldn't understand why but they did sing it once obviously they realised it was a bad mistake to sing it ... even we wouldn't of sung it .... cos either way ur praising the other team ....
I only asked cos I couldn't understand why anyone wud sing it ..... I'll leave it there .... COYS 👍
We were shocking in the second half. Paqueta and soucek were crap.
Can’t say Soucek was but Paqueta definitely was
Difference was the half time spurs substitution
Yep good point
This Team aren't a Team with with this regime 🤬
Yep something needs to change it seems
Always good to self critique but in this case Tottenham played brilliantly. Spurs go up and down like a yoyo they are “spursy” after all. They would beat nearly any team in the prem on their day at home. West ham came up against top form spurs with top class players back from international duties. Give the new guy time.
“Tits”the keeper was shocking though. Keeper doesn’t need to play a strategic part. Just needs to do his job.
@@tomcollins6989 can’t deny spurs were on form and we couldn’t cope in the second half
Hi Stel, thought we were ok 1st half, 2nd half embarrassing 🤬⚒
Exactly that mate
Yes they dominated first half but we held our own
Midfield cut through once again! Jlo keeps picking a midfield that isnt coherent..
I said 3-1 with that lineup..
I am done with Jlo
This is where many fans are saying the same thing
We have no steel in midfield
Just get rid of Loppy
He might get till Christmas
Areola is not good enough
I’m still of the opinion it’s the way he’s being coached
I saw the same game as the last 10 - Tottenham completely played you off the park and actually took their chances
Not disagreeing
The midfield is useless. It’s slow and no flair in it .
I agree our midfield is looking weaker
We are going to get relegated unless the midfield is changed completely . Get Orford and get earthy back and play them they have engines in them .
Not sure those young players are the answer and I don’t think we will get relegated but it won’t be a pleasant season if it continues in this vein
Rather relegation for the sham
Stel That Was A Joke What The Hell No Alvarez Paquetà Was Way Off Form Yet Again Kudus Was The Best Player On The Pitch He Went For Everything That's Alvarezs Job Todibos Own Goal Smashed His Confidence Loppy Has No Tactics He's Doing It Off The Hip For Man Utd Summerville On The Left Bowen On The Right as There Is No Kudus For The Next 3 Games Paquetà Has To Be Dropped And Soler On and Ings For Antonio
We did so well in the first 45 but then it all fell apart early in the second
Loppy hasn’t a breeze, we’re goin backwards. Sullivan needs to sell to stop this rot.
It’s not looking good
Lop has no idea what he's doing.
From that display I can’t disagree
This bloke is not up to the job stel, and it is essential the club act quickly. We were awful all game, team selection was dreadful, that midfield is simply not good enough
I wouldn’t say we were awful all game mate
We held our own in the first half but totally capitulated in the second
Agree that our midfield isn’t doing it right now
@@WESTHAMVOICE yet the genius refuses to play our best holding midfielder, I think we are seeing the same failure in midfield all too often mate. On calmer reflection you are right we did ok first half
Up the spurs 😊
I’d love to say you didn’t deserve to win. But you did
A really poor performance yet again not looking forward to the Arsenal game in 3 weeks could be a cricket score
We need to focus on Man Utd first which could also be embarrassing
Pathetic from us. 1 GOAL isn’t enough. We always give ANYONE too much effing respect. We had a good few chances but it’s about taking em. I saw the shot stats - (WH 4 Shots, 2 on target ‘50%’) - (CXXXs - 10 Shots, 2 on target ‘20%’) yes stats don’t win games but however they show who takes their chances better & who does what with the ball better. Sorry but I’ve had enough for this nonsense. JWP should have been kept, Bowen on corners is awful. Paqeata got a lot of stick but imo he played a lot better than his recent games. Emerson & AWB have been excellent but AWB doesn’t track back fast enough for me. Bowen, Kudus & Antonio looked like they tried so hard. The subs should have been made at the start of the second half. What makes today worst is the online internet troll CXXXs very pathetic. When it went 4-1 I left my gaff took Nobes for a walk. Fuming absolutely fuming. Unfortunately back to reality, we will never be bigger than what we are, we have hit our ceiling. Feels like I’m now doubting myself about Moyes. I have been Moyes out for 2 years especially with the inconsistency & style of play, but what I watched today felt worst than Moyesball because this is supposed to be a level up. As long as Sully has our club by the balls we will never grow. Tottenham looked fantastic today only because we let them into the game so many times. West Ham untied is a dead club since we moved. They all sing it “we ain’t West Ham anymore”. We moved to compete for top spots & more but however the Europa conference league sugarcoated our failure in the league. Imo we will never reach the heights we want. We was only in European because the teams like Tottenham, Arsenal finished below us once or twice. West Ham is a mid table team and games like this shows we ain’t massive. The move has made me delusional, I gave it so much faith but.. LLTB…. Yes the game is away but I treat all games the same since the move to the community centre spaceship looking toilet bowel we got. F anyone who wants to give me stick, I’ve spent almost 30 years of my life going West Ham, home & away, I am 3rd generation of hammer fan in my family, my son is the 4th generation. I’m glad I didn’t go today and spent my Saturday afternoon at home with my dog watching our poxy football on the box. I’ll be there next week for United but my god. This is dross.
Matt that came from the heart mate and I feel your frustration
You’ve hit the nail on the head that we probably are no more than a mid table club. But if we got it right there’s no reason why we can change that mentality
Look at Aston Villa who are riding high
The Lopetegui choice is beginning to look like the wrong one and I do wonder whether he will last beyond Christmas now
We just have to see what happens over the next few games but we do not seem to be ready to compete with the better clubs in the league
@@WESTHAMVOICE Stel, it broke me yesterday. We are still losing by huge margins as well as it feels like the players are not jelling well. Imo we got too many foreign players who lacks the understanding of the premiership. Listening to rumours about the likes of Bowen & Cress explaining the importance of a London derby especially West Ham Spurs, seems like that didn’t work.
Before anyone dares to slag me off about being racist because I said we got too many foreign players needs to jog on. I’m mixed.
I try to balance my criticism & give credit when it is due. But however there was nothing from yesterday that I can praise. Jlo is walking on thin ice with the fan base. 2 wins in 8 is poor. The goal difference is now back to what it was before spanking Ipswich 4-1. -4. The high line leaves us exposed for a counter attack which happened several times. Todibo & AWB out of position which allowed Son to freely roam that area & he scored.
The outside noise is unbelievable especially that the MSM loves their precious David Moyes & we are not allowed to improve. Moyes was given a 2 year deal as a ‘Head Coach’ but felt like that was disrespectful. (Which was reported by many channels). Surely the board, Chairmen/Woman (in Brady), manager, Nobes & Tim talks. If so then Moyes should have known why Tim is here. Gonzo did a video months ago about someone from TalkSport or Sky Sports calling Tim a “sneaky weasel”. Which was & still is hilarious.
I’ve said this multiple times in comments here at West Ham Voice or other channels. “I will forever be grateful for Mr David Moyes but however it’s time for both parties to move on”. Jlo needs to understand that our next coming fixtures are crucial. Only, ipswich, Palace, wolves, Southampton are the only teams without wins, I’ll bet they would love to play us soon especially if we continue playing in this manner.
Think the way we have treated some of the academy players in recent seasons is unacceptable. Johnson (my pal) not a lot of the fan base wanted him to stay on. But he’s a good player just needs time & a good chance just like any other player. Earthy & the ones now should have at least stayed on getting some minutes not a huge fan of loaning out. Downes & JWP poor deals. Need them. I can keep going but think we all know what’s what.
and you all wanted Moyes out
Not all but many did
loppy out mate ...he never was in anyway
I fear this is where we’re heading mate
I think there is a big problem regards to Lopetegui & his coaches in training and on the park and it shows. Clueless imho!
One does have to question the coaching that’s going on
We seem to be slow and labouring
Abysmal performance good to see you though
Always a pleasure to see you too
But yeah we move on to the next game
I'm rapidly losing interest in West Ham, apart from Europe the football has been utterly dreadful for two or three years now, I don't know how long we can tolerate this utter garbage
I’ll never lose interest in West Ham mate
But they are designed to test the most patient of fans
I said give Lopo at least six games and on the 8th we get thumped 4-1 by spurs and lets face reality it could have easily been 6 or 7, there's no improvement even though the team has had 2 weeks to train and practice, fitness doesn't look to have improved and the players attitude has gone to shit, when the players seemed happier under Moyes then it's time to question the manager I reckon, we didn't start great, spurs just took 20 min to wake up...
We heard a lot about lopeteguis man management when he first took the job on but I agree mate it doesn’t look as if there is any cohesion amongst the squad
You got soundly beaten by a better team. In the first 45 you defended well but walked into the sheds exhausted. In the second, Ange brought on the legs and the game was done.
I'm a hammer but you're bang on right fella
Hey I won’t lie we did get soundly beaten
Not deluded enough to think otherwise
We held our own in the first half so I don’t agree that we were exhausted by half time. Certainly not in defence
But we desperately needed a change upfront in the second half to take the game to you
Stell we are not quick enough our midfield cannot pass a ball quickly or even accurate enough for the prem we have no midfield to line up like that was aufull the midfield was non existent like Chelsea again
Agree mate … many others have suggested the same… it’s our central midfield that seems quite lightweight
We didnt look ok in the first half, spurs were all over us i must of been watching s different game. Yes we defended ok but it was one way traffic. They had 12 corners in the first half which is a record in the PL.we just gave them the ball to try and try again. I said at halftime that loopy needs to change it otherwise we are going to get stuffed on FB chat. That was my words. Spurs could of been up by 4 goaks first half. Things had to change. But nothing. Im shocked you think we were ok first half
Don’t disagree that it was relentless one way traffic in the first half Graham, but we held our own and defended really well
And I totally agree with you that, despite that, we wanted to see change at half time
Having said that, the point about the first half was that we looked comfortable when we had the ball but we gave the ball away too many times.
Spurs changed it at half time, as we should have also done, and we got rightly punished
your midfield is non existent, it's a complete mismatch of individuals, the links between defence and attack are achieved through hope, nothing else. Why does Paqueta keep starting,? unreal!
Agree our midfield are not competing and completely agree why Lopetegui is persisting with Paqueta who has become a regular liability
West Ham get battered everywhere they go.
Enjoy your moment
Absolutely shite performance after going 1 nil up and backing off and backing off , until it's 4-1 , Bowen your not captain material, it's alright scoring against Ipswich and cupping your ear but up against a better team it's all over..
For the first time I would agree that Bowen is probably the wrong choice for captain
We still haven't sorted the midfield issues, paqueta needs to be dropped he offers nothing , soucek is equally as bad , Rodriguez did ok today we have no fucking pace one CDM of either Rodrigo or Alvarez.
Absolutely no excuse for Kudus to do what he did twice now we have lost him for 3 games.
I'm starting to have serious doubts over areola he is hot and cold at best. We need a serious re-org from top to bottom. Fucking fuming , embarrassing second half performance. To capitulate like that in 5 mins shambles.
I agree our central holding midfield isn’t good but I don’t hold Soucek to blame for that
For me Paqueta is the player who is weakest right now
early halloween horror performance. Loppy is no good.
If he keeps picking the same line up then we will suffer again
@@WESTHAMVOICE he can't inspire the players.