Love that you talk about this :) as a saddler, leatherworker, bonded leather is the poorest of all leather material, -and if thinking about envoroment, plastic is not the way.. the future is not "plastic and syntetic food".. Just my opinion :) Have a good day!
Thank you for explaining what bonded leather is. I had no idea what recycled leather/bonded leather meant. I’m sticking with my vintage Soho bag. Thank you for sharing, Caleb!
Ugh this is so insulting I’m so sick of “vegan or recycled” leather. It’s so insulting to someone in their 40s. I remember good quality from Louis Vuitton and Coach as I bought my first bags in the 90s. I’m at the point I’m not buying new anymore. I’m only shopping Japanese resellers, thrift stores, and Etsy. Thanks for being honest and upfront this is why I like your channel so much.
Thank you, Traci! I agree- after we're used to a better standard, companies continue to raise prices and lower quality. I'm basically sticking to preowned these days myself.
How have I never found your channel?! 100% agree, Chef's kiss to this video. Your vibe adds to the enjoyment also! Thank you for such honest and entertaining content!
Really glad you and Scotti are talking about this. I hope Coach is paying attention and I would love to hear their response to these concerns. Macro scale - I worry that this is something happening with other luxury brands too. Tanner Leatherstein has been exposing this with some really high end luxury brands that charge even more. Ugh.
Thanks, Millie! I'd love to hear what they say. And I'm curious as to why they're doing this "recycled" leather on the new re-edition bags? It's strange imo. =
Wonderful video…..about 6-7 yrs ago I helped a vintage coach loving client purchase 3 bags…..we found a mint Willis bag for $25, a legacy bag for $50 and a stewardess for $75… these were all expensive back in their day, but my client explained, it was exciting to save for such a quality bag…and to look through the great little catalogues they used to send out and pick out a new bag…..yes they did come out with new styles and designs back then but ALL of them were quality leather, hardware and THAT is why they still look beautiful today! …she will not buy any of their bags today she said she can tell they are just not the same quality, craftsmanship and are almost she said leaning towards looking fake……snap up those vintage ones she said😃
I totally agree with you, Caleb! The quality of Coach has diminished over the years. Only a small number of bags today truly represent the quality of Coach of the 90’s.
You are totally right I totally agree with you about coach. I’ve been buying coach for years and I have some of the old vintage coach bags that I bought years ago. The quality is just not there anymore. It’s so sad for a company to make such poor quality bags now I really think they’re ruining their good reputation for having some of the best quality leather bags you could buy! I am so disappointed in Coach they were definitely one of my favorite brands! Thank you very much for this video!
Great info. Thanks! I thought the "glove tanned" leather was their classic leather from like the 70s 80s. Like those ones with the small brass turnlock
Thank you, Jonas! I'm glad you enjoyed! Unfortunately the new glove tanned leather is much different than the full-grain top quality leather of that era. Which is a shame.
Caleb your not dumb they totally fooled us!!! They way they worded it I thought the same thing they were taking scraps and using them thus more labor more cost. I have to say since I asked you about his video I haven’t really purchased a handbag since. I have bought some SLGs but weary about the bags in general now. Doing vintage stuff though. Thanks for video.
Thank you, Dee Dee! Yeah, the marketing is all very tricky, which is a shame. I don't think I'll be buying new Coach unless the design really wows me. It's just not worth it when good vintage things are literally half the price.
Have a Coach signature Soho Hobo bag from the mid 2000s and it's in amazing condition, looks brand new! Recently I cleaned it up and conditioned the leather - it's made of the signature jacquard fabric with leather trim and handle.
Hi Jen! The mid 2000's era was peak Coach in my opinion. I love the designs, and the quality from back then. I'm excited to hear that you cleaned it up- they clean up beautifully!
Love both you and Scottie. And you’re so right! I mean $350 is BS! They should be charging like $200-$250 tops. And it’s really sad because I love the look of the soho. I think I’m going to just have to find a vintage one. Thanks, Caleb! Great video. 🥰
Thank you, Rachelle! I agree- the pricing should reflect the material- if it did, I think I'd be less upset? But I agree- buying a vintage one is the better way to go- and there's so many cool vintage Sohos to pick from!
Hi Kris! The original Station and Willis were such great bags, and it's special that yours also belonged to your mother. I hope you're having a great weekend!
Good Information Caleb! Thanks for sharing it, and keeping us aware of the shady practices that some of these companies are using! ....Just keep smiling and waving....LOL!!!!!💙
I did see Scottilicious video prior and yes I agree it’s not good with the recycled leather. Both of your videos are great topics. I think we all saw the article (possibly) of Coach wanting to enter into the higher pricing category. I am loving the full grain /smooth box leathers of the Coach Bandit and Sammy and own them so I think it’s possible they are trying to generate two creative directions in store by introducing the recycled leather at a standard Coach price and a higher end price tag with the full grain leather, as I mentioned above but I am unsure. Thanks so much for the video Caleb, I appreciate it and great topic! Looking forward to another this week! 🤗
Hi Christine! I could totally see the two different directions within the brand, they've tried that before with the Poppy diffusion line. I just think it's strange that they would offer the bonded leather at the boutique level and not keep it to the Coachtopia collection. I hope you're having a great week!
Omg, thank you for sharing, i thought the Coachtopia bags were so cute but didn't look too closely at the "recycled leather". Now im gonna keep my eyes peeled and do my research! Just found your video after buying a Coach studio bag from my local boutique, and I need to know what is wrong with gloved tanned leather! Im sad because I'm pretty new to Coach and i was starting to fall for it!
Hi there! Researching before buying is so important these days. I think Glovetanned leather is fine, it's just not the same as the rich thick leathers they used in the past. But the Studio is a fabulous bag, good choice!
On a positive note i just purchased the western tabby at my local store this week and it has inside the bag in silver foil -“FULL GRAIN LEATHER.” This made me super happy and they are listening to what consumers want finally! We want full grain and good quality like back when they started. What do you think of the Tabby western in maple?
I wasn't a fan of the idea of the Coachtopia line because I disagree with the concept of creating a separate line that's supposedly "eco-friendly." Making a separate collection of bags (especially ones that use bonded leather, which last time I checked polyurethane/plastic isn't environmentally friendly) means that you're inherently producing more products/potential waste than if you just incorporated more eco-friendly practices to your main line. It's the same problem I have with the H&M Conscious Collection: H&M is making basic designs that they are selling as being "green," but are still selling similar products in their main line that don't have this label. Also, I just don't like the Coachtopia designs.
I completely agree with your points, Crystal. You're so right- instead of making a diffusion line, just concentrate those efforts to improve the original line.
I’m personally on a Coach buying break because of the direction I see them going. I’ve been buying Coach on and off since the late 1990s. The only bag I have bought in the last year that I love is the Bandit Crossbody and it is full grain leather according to the stamp on it. I thought when they introduced the Bandit line , it meant they were going in a more luxe direction. Sadly it’s not looking that way. I think they are having an identity crisis as to who their target client should be. Is it the older peeps like us who remember the good old days of Coach or the influencer raised generation who view fashion as in the moment and exciting for like a minute until the next new shiny thing comes along?
Hi Sarah! I'm kind of on the same boat as far as going on a Coach buying break as well. And I agree- I was excited with additions like the Bandit and Studio bags that they'd be going in a new direction- and here we are with disappointing quality. Hopefully they figure out what their identity is soon, because it's a real shame.
Why would we believe otherwise when their stuff is constantly marked down? There’s always a flash sale. They’re clearly trying to stay in their target price point and have to adapt their materials to do so. Personally, I think the designs are a marked improvement over the canvas nonsense from 10-15 years ago, with intentional throwbacks to the classic turn lock, boxy shapes and neutral colors they were famous for. I think of it as eco-friendly leather and feel perfectly fine walking out of the store with a classic looking bag that I bought for $150-$300. I don’t think that’s overpriced in today’s inflated market and it’s a MUCH better value than the $5K LV bags every suburban mom sports at Target. I think their pebbled leather still looks great, not sure if that’s bonded or not.
Thank you for this video! I recently bought the tabby box and it instantly scratched when I removed from the box (or it was already scratched). Took it to the store to exchange and decided to get the quilted tabby. The “leather” is scratched and I didn’t even remove the packaging! I am so disappointed since I started my collection last year and I love the designs.
Thank you for explaining what bonded leather is as I had no idea. Although I love the design of the ergo, I passed on purchasing it. I do love their OG bags and don't care for a lot of the items they have now.
I pulled out my 2004 soho. I cant get out of it! I love it. The leather is thick and heavy and buttery. I am very picky now when I purchase anything. It needs to be something that I can wear for many years period pass me time less and what I don't like about coach in the past is they would update to style and then that style becomes irrelevant very quickly. For a long time they were always just on trend. And I was wasting so much money. Adjust purchase to soft tabby. I hope That style stays with me for a long time. The first time I saw the new sohos I really liked it. I didn't think it looked cheap whatsoever.... And I had fakes back in the day.
This is sad to hear. I bought 4 new Coach bags this year after not purchasing for over 12 years. I was a big Coach fan from early 1990s to 2010ish. We should ask the leather guy to evaluate one of these new recycled leather bags.
So shocked, and impressed, that you knew the year the style was released and they didn't! Okay, so $500 in 2007 is about $750 in 2023, says the inflation calculator. So if Coach released those thick leather style bags today, I wonder would people want to buy them? I'm new to this and see the love for the old Coach, and while I appreciate the quality of the leather, the styles look a little too rustic / cowboy for me (safe space). I prefer sleeker looks like Sammy Top Handle. But there are lots of lovers of Coach vintage, so maybe they could still sell those at that price. But then, Coach Vintage lovers are used to paying less than $300 on the 2nd hand market, so would they be willing to pay $750 for a new one? Anyway, I also thought using scraps was how Coachtopia would be made. What a shame that it's not. I'm glad they are at least saying it explicitly in their description rather than being real vague with "genuine leather".
I couldn't agree more- pricing plays a big part in it. I know they had the classics available for quite a while at a premium, but the classics could be found on eBay and other sites for a fraction of the cost. It's all so frustrating.
It’s so sad where we’ve gotten to with coach 😭 I have some beautiful vintage and older bags that I love. But even the coach of 2020 is vastly different to the coach of 2023 😢
Thank you for sharing this info! I purchased a coach bag two months ago and I immediately knew that the quality was different from my coach bags from the early 2000s. Well it was a coach factory bag, but I knew the quality was a bit off.
Great question! Always check the description to see if it says "bonded" or "recycled" leather. I think the bags you listed are safe from the bonded leather like the Soho and Coachtopia bags.
I worked for Coach for 11 years, glove tanned leather is what their original bags were made of. It's a beautiful leather. If you worked for them you should know this
Hi Anna, I did work for Coach and it was a great time! Sadly, the current glovetanned leather is nothing like the original from the pre-Krakoff era. Yes, the term “glovetanned” evokes the imagery of this era, however the quality pales in comparison since they’re treated and processed in a different manner.
Bruh, I haven’t bought a coach purse, and kept it, in years. Last year I bought a rouge bag, and was like “oh no, she going back”. I stick to my Dooney and Bourke Florentine and get in where I fit in.
I miss gull grain leather with the back of it being suede now they split it, make it lighter, hence fabric lining vs old school no lining! Finishing had to be better because you can not hide errors when you don't line the bag!
I also have the same legacy bag (smaller size). I will never get rid of it! I love all my vintage glovetanned leather bags from Coach, to. I currently only buy bags from the 1941 line because they are made of the luxe glovetanned leather. Although the glovetanned leather of today is not as thick and rich as the 80's and 90's glovetanned. I think you can say the same about all brands across the board. Quality has decreased, but prices increase.
It is so refreshing to find someone who knows Coach history. I lived through the 80s and 90s and early 20s better quality leather. There is a Manager who worked at the Coach store in Orlando, Fl who was with the company for like almost 40 years. She is the reason I was going into that store. She is like the google of Coach history. With Coach I use to like the leather but a lot of the bags within the past decade are more about the aesthetics. I was one of those people back in the day who wanted more creative designs but I guess I got what I asked at the expense of quality materials. Unfortunately, I took the OG bags with the better materials for granted and sold a lot thinking I was going to get designs that match my creativity. Instead, I got cute designs with poor quality materials. Ugh. I regret selling my older Coach bags…
I loved the original 1941 line. The 1st generation Rogues, the saddle bags, etc. I'm not into a lot of the latest releases, only because I'm not a mini bag girl. However, I LOVE all of the silver hardware.
When I used to work at MK, we would slice the bags in half when the bags didn’t sell, or we needed to get rid of it,and the slg were slashed and the bags too.
I agree.✅✅✅Thank you for enlightening our mind.I like Coach but I can't afford new ones.It's a good thing,I have bought my Coach preloved and vintage,real quality leather.♥️♥️♥️
Ok first of all, how have I not come across your channel before?! Love this content and I 💯% agree with you! Bonded leather is not what drew me to coach. I buy coach because I love the styles but more importantly, I TRUST the quality of the materials and transparency of the product descriptions. I feel like it took too much time for me to really uncover what kind of leather Coachtopia bags were and that was a huge turn off. I still love the brand but if this is the direction they’re going in, I’m super glad I bought and kept all of my other bags! I’m late to coach and didn’t start buying bags in general until 2017 but 2018 is my favorite coach era and I still buy bags from this time period. I love all the rogues, a few discontinued styles and the collaborations from that time and these are the most treasured pieces in my collection.
Well, I'm glad you found me! Welcome in! I completely agree- the materials used for Coachtopia- major turnoff, and it's a shame they're doing it for the reissue bags. Huge shame! I love that we all found Coach at different times, and have different favorite eras. It's neat that we all share different but similar experiences!
Agreed!!! I love the looks of the Coachtopia bags and I thought they would be assembled with stitched together whole pieces of leather. Soooo disappointing 😕 I’m hoping that they decide to revisit these styles with full leather someday 🥹 especially the strawberry print!!
I need your advice. I am thinking of getting a Charter Backpack in Canvas, it’s 50 percent off. Would you still recommend it even though it’s still canvas?
Hi Jack! Absolutely, coated canvas is great for a variety of reasons which makes it perfect for backpacks. It's lightweight, easy to clean and great for bad weather. And 50% makes it even more enticing.
Idk what Coach is thinking. Aren't these the same bags that ran customers off the first time? Maybe the big C-pocalipse has made us all a bit too nostalgic 😅. I was hoping Coachtopia would be all leather scraps too, and at a lower price point. Alas, I should have known with the prices of their reloved line that that wasn't happening.
Glove Tanned leather is basically chrome tanned leather. They call it glove tanned because the hides need to be handled with gloves due to the chemicals that chrome requires. Most luxury brand use it because of its scratch and water resistance.
Actually the reason it's called glove tanned leather is because the tanners saw how beautiful baseball gloves were after being used and how well the leather wore
This is a great video. Thank you!!! This confirms my doubts about the quality of Coach leather. Last night I was at TJ Maxx and found a beautiful pink Coach tote….gorgeous color. It was hard on outside and very stiff. $119 so sad, as I have a few worn out pebble leather bags from Coach. Unfortunately, Kate Spade, Luis Vuitton, and Michael Khors are using this junky material too. 😢
Last yeary wife bought me a Coach breifcase last Christmas with coated canvas and keather, beautiful... This Christmas she bought me the Hudson backpack, Coated Canvas and Pebble leather... Both Outlet items and both under $300, beautiful quality that will last for many years. The Boutique models simply arent worth it, they are made in the same factories....
The glove tanned leather is actually the only good leather they offer anymore. I’ve watched a few deconstruct videos on the bags made of it (rogue bags). As for the Soho re-edit….. YASSSS my thoughts exactly. I bought one and returned it. The “leather” felt like plastic and the jacquard is actually made from recycled plastic bottles 😳. I’ll pretty much only buy the glove tanned leather now. Great video. I wish Coach would bring back the Legacy line!
I was really intrigued by this video. I had never thought about it before. Also, I tend to love the feel of the bags that are glove tanned leather...but then again, never really knew what it was. That being said, now that I have received so many of the Portland Leather bags, I understand what you mean about the leathers. There is something about the Portland Leather Goods bags that feel so substantial and I just LOVE them. I would agree with you, I thought they were using scraps...as in left over pieces....hmmm......
Thank you, Jame! I miss good quality substantial leather. The perfected grains of some leathers today just lose the character, which is a shame. And I think a lot of people were tricked by the Coachtopia verbiage- not cool!
I just bought a preloved Coach Mercer 30 from 2017, a few years before they shifted to super embossed pebbled leather, which imo, is when they started their decline to this bonded leather madness. I read a comment somewhere about how coach used to have a mission/quality statement on their site stating how their leather selection was in the top 20% of leathers and that's what they used for all their goods. Now they barely tell us what kind of leather it is, just the vaguest descriptions
Interesting. I started with Coach as well. You cannot beat the vintage stuff for style and durability. I’ve thrown legacy pieces in the washing machine and they come out fine. I have a sling pack from Hawaii that’s 15 years old. It’s indestructible but I wish the dang strap came off!! I’d have used that strap on other bags. I do wonder if creating bonded leather is even worse for the environment than using leather. My daughter’s vegetarian, she switched back to leather bags when she discovered how harmful pleather is.
Hi Katie! I 100% agree- new Coach doesn't hold a candle to the vintage Coach we grew up with. And I agree- so many bags from that era had unremovable straps, and it drove me crazy! I'm glad design houses are coming around to the idea of removeable straps finally. I do think the bonded leather will be worse for the enviroment than just regular leather. But only time will tell for sure.
I always look for top grain italian leather in my bags. It gets on my nerves when friends of mine think GENUINE leather is the best leather there is. However BONDED leather is rubbish, literally scraps bonded together with glue. What grinds me more with coach is that they don't disclose on the website where they make their products. Being an iconic American brand it would be so nice to have them made back in the US. But all in all, I do love many of their products.
Thus was such an informative video and your bags served as visual aids so we REALLY see the difference! Quick question: Do you think the Soft Tabby is worth the price for the quality or should I look for vintage/y2k coach leather bags instead? 🤔
Thank you so much!! I would personally snag the Tabby on sale or at the outlet. I have the denim Tabby and love it- but the leather ones seem really soft to me.
@CalebSnell yes definitely! That is what made me pause on the purchase. It looks gorgeous but I'm not sure of the durability. That denim tabby is EVERYTHING! I regret not getting that one. Thank you for your response 🙏🏾
I couldn't agree with you more. Handbag "deciders" seem to think we're idiots. Example, coated canvas. Tanner Leatherstein calls it "glorified plastic." 💸 Thanks for keeping it real. 🌻
Thank you, Linda! It's such a shame! And you're right about coated canvas. There's a time and a place for coated canvas, but I definitely wouldn't buy too much of it.
I knew something was up with those demis!!! I wanted the blue one so bad but when ever I rubber or picked up the handle I couldn't deal with the dry rub texture lol. They tried it AGAIN. Suing! Lol
Hey! Great question! So I'm a little leery of those terms- I feel like refined leather has probably been overly corrected in the tanning process, but I could be wrong!
Hi Caleb, what do think about the refresh tabby 26 in signature canvas Rust? It says “Genuine glovetanned leather” on it and priced at $450.. Thank you.. 😊
I just bought the charter with hybrid pouch online and wish I hadn’t. It sit strangely and doesn’t feel like good quality at all. My Michael kors crossbody bags are much better quality ironically. Also as a side note I friggin love Scotty
So it's not me is it? I'm in my *cough* mid 40s *cough* and I remember coach having thick luxurious leather handbags. The styles were timeless and chic. Looking at coach now as a mid-40s professional, I just don't get it? And what is everything small, hard and square? You cannot fit anything into the bags and they do have carry that timeless elegance of the bags in the 80s/90s. Thinking it's time to move over to Dooney and Bourke. Sadly their bags are super heavy but at least the leather is real. Now I do love the brown Coachlegacy bag you held up...what's her name? I need her.
That was the Coach Legacy Ali Hobo! It's a gorgeous bag! I sold mine in a Live Sale recently, but they can be found pretty easily still over on eBay! And I agree- love Dooney, but they can get heavy!
I’m late! I purchased two bags and three wallets a while ago from the outlet and they are so cute but I was like this doesn’t smell like leather. And it says “pebbled leather “ Or something and when I dug deeper and it’s not leather.
Coach still has some cute models, but same as Michael Kors starting to use that bonded leather they will loose customers for going cheap… Dooney and Bourke all the way baby!! I know is not consider luxury but to me it is without the big price tag lol Hugs!!
@@CalebSnell yes, exactly!!! Between I have a TH-cam in Spanish Language just started and I love watching your channel it’s very entertaining and give me some info on the luxury brands especially! Thank you for that 🥰
I love the original glovetanned leather they used on their vintage pieces. Like the court bag. But I’ve also been into their old styles. Idk made me change my mind on this reimagined collection. Cuz I was going to buy the Demi bag finally. Now idk lol.
I have been a Coach customer for nearly 30 years, following in the footsteps of my mom, who carried them exclusively from the time I was in diapers--she always bragged about the quality because her original, which she carried my diapers in, although beaten and scarred from use, was a sturdy of a bag as it was on Day 1. For reference, I'm 48! They have touted glove-tanned leather since their inception in the 1940s. It is not the same as bonded leather. It is actually full-grain leather tanned in such a way that the colors don't fade when, say, exposed to water. But you're not lying about the shit quality they have gone to! It was all over when their corporation sold in the early 2000s, i.e. when the logo fabric bags went into production. WHY would I spend the same money for a fabric purse vs a thick beautiful leather one that, if I want it to, will literally last for decades?! Another change at that time was the addition of fabric lining in their leather bags. I have long suspected this was done to camoflage a shift to thinner leather. My 1st 2 Coach bags (in the mid-late 90s), and all my mom's before then, were the back of the external leather inside. My all time favorite one is 11 years old, and I still keep it in my rotation of in-use bags. Every time I get it back out and carry it, it's like a new purse all over again! Although lined, the lining is very thick and much more durable than many of their linings, and of course, it's the THICK, beautiful leather. 11 years down the road and it STILL smells like new leather! And that is what you should expect from a Coach bag! All the shifts to pebble leather, murano leather, etc are just a cheapening of the product that they built their reputation on. I always shop them when shopping for a new bag, but honestly they don't appeal much to me anymore. They target a younger demographic than me, and that's fine they can do them, but it is women of a certain age and up who actually practice brand loyalty and not whatever is trendy. My last 2 new bags were leather Dooneys and their quality is still the same as a Dooney I had in the 90s (prior to my switch to Coach). Coach has really gone to shit and it's sad to me, b/c over the years I have spent thousands on theri gorgeous THICK leather bags. Rant over!
I couldn't agree more about the quality. I much prefer the older pieces over the newer pieces because the quality of the older stuff is so much better! And it's really neat that you and your mom share a love for Coach!
I am not actually mad about the bonded leather. It is to me recycled, same as plastics are. However I wish they would re-enter the lux market as well. Since the lux market has significantly bumped their way into 1-2k bags, I wish they would remake to the same standards their 1980s-90’s thick bags and price them accordingly. You have gen Xers like me who bought their seriously vintage bags new back in the day and would pay for it, and it could be a gateway for younger/newer customers too. Those thick leather outer/raw suede inside bags were 400-600 back in the day, they could be double to triple that now and I’d pay. Still a bargain for todays standards.
I agree- seeing some lux level pieces would be great. I think rereleasing the vintage bags but in brighter more modern colors would go over really well- I'd buy a few!
I love my coach bags & ya know if they are using 'faux leather', good for them, I think it's wonderful, but they need to make it known so they don't get slammed for 'false advertising'. The prices are still much more attainable than some of the other labels like LV, Chanel, etc., but yes, make it known, 'own it', they'll be more embarrassed than if it comes out later that they were lying to us.
@@CalebSnell can’t wait! Thank you for responding! I bought myself the Carter 28 coach as my birthday gift. I’m excited! But I also wanna expand my list for good quality and affordable bags!
OMG. Do not get me started. It was bad enough when production was moved out of the US and Central America.. I recently started to look into the brand again and.. what is up with replacing two straps on the Hudson backpacks with weak magnets? The straps are now decorative. The point of straps on a bag is to ensure the bag STAYS closed. The materials weren't that great either.. Coach needs a wakeup call.
I’m so sorry to hear about what happened to your backpack! And I agree coach does need a little bit of a wake up call! I hope you’re having a great week!
What are your thoughts? Is bonded leather and inferior materials the way to go?
Not a fan
Love that you talk about this :) as a saddler, leatherworker, bonded leather is the poorest of all leather material, -and if thinking about envoroment, plastic is not the way.. the future is not "plastic and syntetic food".. Just my opinion :) Have a good day!
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No way! No one should buy this, especially at these prices! Highway robbery.
It can coexist, nothing wrong with it, but not at a high price, I think.
Thank you for explaining what bonded leather is. I had no idea what recycled leather/bonded leather meant. I’m sticking with my vintage Soho bag. Thank you for sharing, Caleb!
Hi Sibi! I agree, vintage is the way to go!
It's not good leather,it doesn't a real leather actually.
Ugh this is so insulting I’m so sick of “vegan or recycled” leather. It’s so insulting to someone in their 40s. I remember good quality from Louis Vuitton and Coach as I bought my first bags in the 90s. I’m at the point I’m not buying new anymore. I’m only shopping Japanese resellers, thrift stores, and Etsy. Thanks for being honest and upfront this is why I like your channel so much.
Thank you, Traci! I agree- after we're used to a better standard, companies continue to raise prices and lower quality. I'm basically sticking to preowned these days myself.
@@CalebSnell you should do a video on the hype of the Loro Piana Extra Pocket bag. It’s so overpriced for $2200.
Yes! Say it like it is … vinyl.
If you don’t mind me asking, what/who are Japanese resellers?
How have I never found your channel?! 100% agree, Chef's kiss to this video. Your vibe adds to the enjoyment also! Thank you for such honest and entertaining content!
Well, I'm glad you found me! And I'm happy to hear that you enjoyed the video, thank you!!
@@CalebSnell subscribed and hit that notification bell! 🔔
Really glad you and Scotti are talking about this. I hope Coach is paying attention and I would love to hear their response to these concerns. Macro scale - I worry that this is something happening with other luxury brands too. Tanner Leatherstein has been exposing this with some really high end luxury brands that charge even more. Ugh.
Thanks, Millie! I'd love to hear what they say. And I'm curious as to why they're doing this "recycled" leather on the new re-edition bags? It's strange imo. =
I Love Tanner too!
Wonderful video…..about 6-7 yrs ago I helped a vintage coach loving client purchase 3 bags…..we found a mint Willis bag for $25, a legacy bag for $50 and a stewardess for $75… these were all expensive back in their day, but my client explained, it was exciting to save for such a quality bag…and to look through the great little catalogues they used to send out and pick out a new bag…..yes they did come out with new styles and designs back then but ALL of them were quality leather, hardware and THAT is why they still look beautiful today! …she will not buy any of their bags today she said she can tell they are just not the same quality, craftsmanship and are almost she said leaning towards looking fake……snap up those vintage ones she said😃
Thank you, ArtsandBarts! I couldn't agree more- vintage is definitely the way to go!
I totally agree with you, Caleb! The quality of Coach has diminished over the years. Only a small number of bags today truly represent the quality of Coach of the 90’s.
It's such a shame, Coach used to make really beautiful things!
You are totally right I totally agree with you about coach. I’ve been buying coach for years and I have some of the old vintage coach bags that I bought years ago. The quality is just not there anymore. It’s so sad for a company to make such poor quality bags now I really think they’re ruining their good reputation for having some of the best quality leather bags you could buy! I am so disappointed in Coach they were definitely one of my favorite brands! Thank you very much for this video!
I'm really glad you enjoyed the video, Desiree!
Love the classic vintage coach. I have a backpack and bucket bag I bought new in the late 90s. Look and feel great!
Oh I'll bet, they look and feel great. Coach during that era was 🔥 !
Coach legacy leather was my favorite! The archival bucket bag is my ultimate
Yes! OMG, so good!
Great info. Thanks! I thought the "glove tanned" leather was their classic leather from like the 70s 80s. Like those ones with the small brass turnlock
Thank you, Jonas! I'm glad you enjoyed! Unfortunately the new glove tanned leather is much different than the full-grain top quality leather of that era. Which is a shame.
@@CalebSnell ahh boo!
Thank you for the shout out Caleb! 😁🖤
Coach just needs to do better. Bonded leather will NEVER be a vibe🤧💀
Thank you for starting the conversation, Scott! And I agree- Coach really needs to step it back up again.
Yes! I am so happy you referenced Scottilicious's vids. His expose of Coach's use of bonded leather is 🤌
I'm late!
Caleb your not dumb they totally fooled us!!! They way they worded it I thought the same thing they were taking scraps and using them thus more labor more cost. I have to say since I asked you about his video I haven’t really purchased a handbag since. I have bought some SLGs but weary about the bags in general now. Doing vintage stuff though. Thanks for video.
Thank you, Dee Dee! Yeah, the marketing is all very tricky, which is a shame. I don't think I'll be buying new Coach unless the design really wows me. It's just not worth it when good vintage things are literally half the price.
Have a Coach signature Soho Hobo bag from the mid 2000s and it's in amazing condition, looks brand new! Recently I cleaned it up and conditioned the leather - it's made of the signature jacquard fabric with leather trim and handle.
Hi Jen! The mid 2000's era was peak Coach in my opinion. I love the designs, and the quality from back then. I'm excited to hear that you cleaned it up- they clean up beautifully!
Ohhh. I hope I can remember the Thursday night live. ❤look forward to the Coach talk
I hope to see you there, Tarreemha!
Love both you and Scottie. And you’re so right! I mean $350 is BS! They should be charging like $200-$250 tops. And it’s really sad because I love the look of the soho. I think I’m going to just have to find a vintage one. Thanks, Caleb! Great video. 🥰
Thank you, Rachelle! I agree- the pricing should reflect the material- if it did, I think I'd be less upset? But I agree- buying a vintage one is the better way to go- and there's so many cool vintage Sohos to pick from!
For INFERIOR QUALITY like this, we should pay, no more than $99!
Caleb. I am so glad you made this video. I am so glad I still have my moms . Original Station and Willis bags. I am at a lost for words.
Hi Kris! The original Station and Willis were such great bags, and it's special that yours also belonged to your mother. I hope you're having a great weekend!
Good Information Caleb! Thanks for sharing it, and keeping us aware of the shady practices that some of these companies are using! ....Just keep smiling and waving....LOL!!!!!💙
Thank you, Corikay!! Haha- the ending cracked me up!! 😂
I did see Scottilicious video prior and yes I agree it’s not good with the recycled leather. Both of your videos are great topics. I think we all saw the article (possibly) of Coach wanting to enter into the higher pricing category. I am loving the full grain /smooth box leathers of the Coach Bandit and Sammy and own them so I think it’s possible they are trying to generate two creative directions in store by introducing the recycled leather at a standard Coach price and a higher end price tag with the full grain leather, as I mentioned above but I am unsure. Thanks so much for the video Caleb, I appreciate it and great topic! Looking forward to another this week! 🤗
Hi Christine! I could totally see the two different directions within the brand, they've tried that before with the Poppy diffusion line. I just think it's strange that they would offer the bonded leather at the boutique level and not keep it to the Coachtopia collection. I hope you're having a great week!
Yes I agree you are so right it should be kept separate with Coachtopia and not crossover! Have a great day! ☺️😉
Omg, thank you for sharing, i thought the Coachtopia bags were so cute but didn't look too closely at the "recycled leather". Now im gonna keep my eyes peeled and do my research! Just found your video after buying a Coach studio bag from my local boutique, and I need to know what is wrong with gloved tanned leather! Im sad because I'm pretty new to Coach and i was starting to fall for it!
Hi there! Researching before buying is so important these days. I think Glovetanned leather is fine, it's just not the same as the rich thick leathers they used in the past. But the Studio is a fabulous bag, good choice!
I think this is a really good video. Informative and insightful.
Thank you so much!
On a positive note i just purchased the western tabby at my local store this week and it has inside the bag in silver foil -“FULL GRAIN LEATHER.” This made me super happy and they are listening to what consumers want finally! We want full grain and good quality like back when they started. What do you think of the Tabby western in maple?
I loved that bag! And the maple color is perfection!
I wasn't a fan of the idea of the Coachtopia line because I disagree with the concept of creating a separate line that's supposedly "eco-friendly." Making a separate collection of bags (especially ones that use bonded leather, which last time I checked polyurethane/plastic isn't environmentally friendly) means that you're inherently producing more products/potential waste than if you just incorporated more eco-friendly practices to your main line. It's the same problem I have with the H&M Conscious Collection: H&M is making basic designs that they are selling as being "green," but are still selling similar products in their main line that don't have this label. Also, I just don't like the Coachtopia designs.
I completely agree with your points, Crystal. You're so right- instead of making a diffusion line, just concentrate those efforts to improve the original line.
I’m personally on a Coach buying break because of the direction I see them going. I’ve been buying Coach on and off since the late 1990s. The only bag I have bought in the last year that I love is the Bandit Crossbody and it is full grain leather according to the stamp on it. I thought when they introduced the Bandit line , it meant they were going in a more luxe direction. Sadly it’s not looking that way. I think they are having an identity crisis as to who their target client should be. Is it the older peeps like us who remember the good old days of Coach or the influencer raised generation who view fashion as in the moment and exciting for like a minute until the next new shiny thing comes along?
Hi Sarah! I'm kind of on the same boat as far as going on a Coach buying break as well. And I agree- I was excited with additions like the Bandit and Studio bags that they'd be going in a new direction- and here we are with disappointing quality. Hopefully they figure out what their identity is soon, because it's a real shame.
I love the old school coach bags.
Same!
Why would we believe otherwise when their stuff is constantly marked down? There’s always a flash sale. They’re clearly trying to stay in their target price point and have to adapt their materials to do so. Personally, I think the designs are a marked improvement over the canvas nonsense from 10-15 years ago, with intentional throwbacks to the classic turn lock, boxy shapes and neutral colors they were famous for. I think of it as eco-friendly leather and feel perfectly fine walking out of the store with a classic looking bag that I bought for $150-$300. I don’t think that’s overpriced in today’s inflated market and it’s a MUCH better value than the $5K LV bags every suburban mom sports at Target. I think their pebbled leather still looks great, not sure if that’s bonded or not.
So true about their price structure. The Pebbled leather should still be full leather, but you never know these days!
I love the Legacy collection. It's timeless! I get compliments all the time when I pull them out. Vintage!
Yes! The Legacy collection is such a classic, I love it!
I need Tanner Leatherstain destroying that bag 😅
Yes!! OMG- I'd love to see that!
O...M...G...you and Zane are the cutest! Zane's editing! 😅🤣😂Caleb, out of all the brands you own, what's your favorite? TFS! Much love!
Aw, thank you KM!! Oh, that's a toss up between Hermes and Fendi- both are great quality and beautiful designs!
Same I was thinking they were going to put all that was left an put them together to make a purse omg😮thank you for this video ❤
I'm still disappointed that that's not the case. Hopefully they'll fix that eventually!
Thank you for this video! I recently bought the tabby box and it instantly scratched when I removed from the box (or it was already scratched). Took it to the store to exchange and decided to get the quilted tabby. The “leather” is scratched and I didn’t even remove the packaging! I am so disappointed since I started my collection last year and I love the designs.
Ugh! That is really disappointing!
Thank you for explaining what bonded leather is as I had no idea. Although I love the design of the ergo, I passed on purchasing it. I do love their OG bags and don't care for a lot of the items they have now.
I'm glad I could help!
I pulled out my 2004 soho. I cant get out of it! I love it. The leather is thick and heavy and buttery. I am very picky now when I purchase anything. It needs to be something that I can wear for many years period pass me time less and what I don't like about coach in the past is they would update to style and then that style becomes irrelevant very quickly. For a long time they were always just on trend. And I was wasting so much money. Adjust purchase to soft tabby. I hope That style stays with me for a long time. The first time I saw the new sohos I really liked it. I didn't think it looked cheap whatsoever.... And I had fakes back in the day.
The original Soho bags were such a vibe! A good friend of mine had them in several colors, and they were so cute!
My madison bought in 2018 in coated leather has the coating coming off...n the rubber trims broke.
Ugh! I hate that, how frustrating!
Hmm, Coach isn't considered luxury so makes lots of sense to me! (for the price point)
Coach's price multiplier sits at around 6X, whereas LV at 15X, so it obviously takes more foolishness(atleast 15X) to consider LV a luxury.
Terrific video, good information, thank you! ♥️
Thank you, Diane!
This is sad to hear. I bought 4 new Coach bags this year after not purchasing for over 12 years. I was a big Coach fan from early 1990s to 2010ish. We should ask the leather guy to evaluate one of these new recycled leather bags.
Hey Miss Shana Nicole! As long time collectors, it's frustrating to see bonded leather added to the lineup- especially on such an iconic re-edtion.
So shocked, and impressed, that you knew the year the style was released and they didn't! Okay, so $500 in 2007 is about $750 in 2023, says the inflation calculator. So if Coach released those thick leather style bags today, I wonder would people want to buy them? I'm new to this and see the love for the old Coach, and while I appreciate the quality of the leather, the styles look a little too rustic / cowboy for me (safe space). I prefer sleeker looks like Sammy Top Handle. But there are lots of lovers of Coach vintage, so maybe they could still sell those at that price. But then, Coach Vintage lovers are used to paying less than $300 on the 2nd hand market, so would they be willing to pay $750 for a new one? Anyway, I also thought using scraps was how Coachtopia would be made. What a shame that it's not. I'm glad they are at least saying it explicitly in their description rather than being real vague with "genuine leather".
I couldn't agree more- pricing plays a big part in it. I know they had the classics available for quite a while at a premium, but the classics could be found on eBay and other sites for a fraction of the cost. It's all so frustrating.
I love ur comments because you consider POV of Coach as business.
It’s so sad where we’ve gotten to with coach 😭 I have some beautiful vintage and older bags that I love. But even the coach of 2020 is vastly different to the coach of 2023 😢
I agree- I won't be buying new Coach for a while.
Thank you for sharing this info! I purchased a coach bag two months ago and I immediately knew that the quality was different from my coach bags from the early 2000s. Well it was a coach factory bag, but I knew the quality was a bit off.
Hey Shery! I hope you're having a great week! It's a shame- the Coach quality just isn't what it used to be!
Is Coach swinger, tabby 26, cassy 19 and Coach bandit bonded leather also ? 🥺 Why are everyone bragging about the great leather coach bring ?
Great question! Always check the description to see if it says "bonded" or "recycled" leather. I think the bags you listed are safe from the bonded leather like the Soho and Coachtopia bags.
@@CalebSnell thank you❣️
I worked for Coach for 11 years, glove tanned leather is what their original bags were made of. It's a beautiful leather. If you worked for them you should know this
Hi Anna, I did work for Coach and it was a great time! Sadly, the current glovetanned leather is nothing like the original from the pre-Krakoff era. Yes, the term “glovetanned” evokes the imagery of this era, however the quality pales in comparison since they’re treated and processed in a different manner.
That Legacy is gorgeous. I have a cream messenger bag from that era. The kind thats so substantial that it kills your shoulder lol.
Haha that’s so true!
Bruh, I haven’t bought a coach purse, and kept it, in years. Last year I bought a rouge bag, and was like “oh no, she going back”. I stick to my Dooney and Bourke Florentine and get in where I fit in.
Dooney and Bourke makes really great bags!
I miss gull grain leather with the back of it being suede now they split it, make it lighter, hence fabric lining vs old school no lining! Finishing had to be better because you can not hide errors when you don't line the bag!
Yes! I agree- you can hide lots of short cuts!
The new western tabby says full grain leather inside and its real suede and the bag is to DIE FOR!
Caleb got me cracking up over here!!! 😂!! “Highway robbery” “should they call me first” ….
Hahaha, I'm glad you had fun!
I also have the same legacy bag (smaller size). I will never get rid of it! I love all my vintage glovetanned leather bags from Coach, to. I currently only buy bags from the 1941 line because they are made of the luxe glovetanned leather. Although the glovetanned leather of today is not as thick and rich as the 80's and 90's glovetanned. I think you can say the same about all brands across the board. Quality has decreased, but prices increase.
It's such a shame. Brands sit by and lower quality while sky rocketing the prices. It's getting to be too much!
I love my Kristen, and Madison bags. Are those bonded?😢😢
I don't think so- those were higher end collections if I remember right!
Preach! Thanks for telling Coach to keep it real---as in real leather!
Real leather! Yes!!
It is so refreshing to find someone who knows Coach history. I lived through the 80s and 90s and early 20s better quality leather. There is a Manager who worked at the Coach store in Orlando, Fl who was with the company for like almost 40 years. She is the reason I was going into that store. She is like the google of Coach history. With Coach I use to like the leather but a lot of the bags within the past decade are more about the aesthetics. I was one of those people back in the day who wanted more creative designs but I guess I got what I asked at the expense of quality materials. Unfortunately, I took the OG bags with the better materials for granted and sold a lot thinking I was going to get designs that match my creativity. Instead, I got cute designs with poor quality materials. Ugh. I regret selling my older Coach bags…
Thank you! And I always hate having regrets after selling stuff- it's a bummer!
Thanks for sharing ur knowledge & raising awareness 👍🏻
Thank you, Ramble! I'm glad you enjoyed!
I loved the original 1941 line. The 1st generation Rogues, the saddle bags, etc.
I'm not into a lot of the latest releases, only because I'm not a mini bag girl. However, I LOVE all of the silver hardware.
Yeah, the original 1941 line was much better!
When I used to work at MK, we would slice the bags in half when the bags didn’t sell, or we needed to get rid of it,and the slg were slashed and the bags too.
Ugh- it's such a common practice, such a shame.
Thank you, very informative 🖤🖤🖤
Thank you, L! I'm glad you enjoyed!
I agree.✅✅✅Thank you for enlightening our mind.I like Coach but I can't afford new ones.It's a good thing,I have bought my Coach preloved and vintage,real quality leather.♥️♥️♥️
Thank you!
Ok first of all, how have I not come across your channel before?! Love this content and I 💯% agree with you! Bonded leather is not what drew me to coach. I buy coach because I love the styles but more importantly, I TRUST the quality of the materials and transparency of the product descriptions. I feel like it took too much time for me to really uncover what kind of leather Coachtopia bags were and that was a huge turn off.
I still love the brand but if this is the direction they’re going in, I’m super glad I bought and kept all of my other bags! I’m late to coach and didn’t start buying bags in general until 2017 but 2018 is my favorite coach era and I still buy bags from this time period. I love all the rogues, a few discontinued styles and the collaborations from that time and these are the most treasured pieces in my collection.
Well, I'm glad you found me! Welcome in! I completely agree- the materials used for Coachtopia- major turnoff, and it's a shame they're doing it for the reissue bags. Huge shame!
I love that we all found Coach at different times, and have different favorite eras. It's neat that we all share different but similar experiences!
Agreed!!! I love the looks of the Coachtopia bags and I thought they would be assembled with stitched together whole pieces of leather. Soooo disappointing 😕 I’m hoping that they decide to revisit these styles with full leather someday 🥹 especially the strawberry print!!
Lovin’ the earring!❤
Thank you!
Could you ever talk about the leather quality? I’m still kind of new but love hearing how it’s made
That's a great question! I can definitely do that!
Very insightful and helpful 👏 ❤
Thank you, Kaylhee!
@@CalebSnell your welcome
I need your advice. I am thinking of getting a Charter Backpack in Canvas, it’s 50 percent off. Would you still recommend it even though it’s still canvas?
Hi Jack! Absolutely, coated canvas is great for a variety of reasons which makes it perfect for backpacks. It's lightweight, easy to clean and great for bad weather. And 50% makes it even more enticing.
@@CalebSnell thanks!
Great eye opener. You rock
Thank you, Honey!
Idk what Coach is thinking. Aren't these the same bags that ran customers off the first time? Maybe the big C-pocalipse has made us all a bit too nostalgic 😅. I was hoping Coachtopia would be all leather scraps too, and at a lower price point. Alas, I should have known with the prices of their reloved line that that wasn't happening.
Haha- so true. I was disappointed in Coachtopia and you're right about the pricing of the reloved line.
Glove Tanned leather is basically chrome tanned leather. They call it glove tanned because the hides need to be handled with gloves due to the chemicals that chrome requires. Most luxury brand use it because of its scratch and water resistance.
Very interesting!
Actually the reason it's called glove tanned leather is because the tanners saw how beautiful baseball gloves were after being used and how well the leather wore
This is a great video. Thank you!!! This confirms my doubts about the quality of Coach leather. Last night I was at TJ Maxx and found a beautiful pink Coach tote….gorgeous color. It was hard on outside and very stiff. $119 so sad, as I have a few worn out pebble leather bags from Coach. Unfortunately, Kate Spade, Luis Vuitton, and Michael Khors are using this junky material too. 😢
Yeah, the way the industry cuts corners but continues to increase prices blows me away. It's a shame.
Last yeary wife bought me a Coach breifcase last Christmas with coated canvas and keather, beautiful... This Christmas she bought me the Hudson backpack, Coated Canvas and Pebble leather... Both Outlet items and both under $300, beautiful quality that will last for many years. The Boutique models simply arent worth it, they are made in the same factories....
That's really cool! I'm happy to hear you're enjoying your briefcase and backpack. Coach makes some really great backpacks.
The coachtopia stuff looked so cheap when I saw it. It felt like outlet, outlet bags.
Ugh! That's so disappointing, Jeremy!
Excellent video!!!!! I appreciate your perspective ❤.
Thank you so much! This was a fun video to research for!
@@CalebSnell you did a wonderful job!
What do you think about the rogue 30 now comes in regenerative glovetanned leather.
Oh I didn't know about that! I'm going to have to look into this!
The glove tanned leather is actually the only good leather they offer anymore. I’ve watched a few deconstruct videos on the bags made of it (rogue bags). As for the Soho re-edit….. YASSSS my thoughts exactly. I bought one and returned it. The “leather” felt like plastic and the jacquard is actually made from recycled plastic bottles 😳. I’ll pretty much only buy the glove tanned leather now. Great video. I wish Coach would bring back the Legacy line!
I couldn't agree more- I miss the rich thick Legacy leather!
I was really intrigued by this video. I had never thought about it before. Also, I tend to love the feel of the bags that are glove tanned leather...but then again, never really knew what it was. That being said, now that I have received so many of the Portland Leather bags, I understand what you mean about the leathers. There is something about the Portland Leather Goods bags that feel so substantial and I just LOVE them. I would agree with you, I thought they were using scraps...as in left over pieces....hmmm......
Thank you, Jame! I miss good quality substantial leather. The perfected grains of some leathers today just lose the character, which is a shame. And I think a lot of people were tricked by the Coachtopia verbiage- not cool!
I just bought a preloved Coach Mercer 30 from 2017, a few years before they shifted to super embossed pebbled leather, which imo, is when they started their decline to this bonded leather madness.
I read a comment somewhere about how coach used to have a mission/quality statement on their site stating how their leather selection was in the top 20% of leathers and that's what they used for all their goods. Now they barely tell us what kind of leather it is, just the vaguest descriptions
It's so sad watching Coach quality just decline while they raise prices. It's really disappointing.
Interesting. I started with Coach as well. You cannot beat the vintage stuff for style and durability. I’ve thrown legacy pieces in the washing machine and they come out fine. I have a sling pack from Hawaii that’s 15 years old. It’s indestructible but I wish the dang strap came off!! I’d have used that strap on other bags.
I do wonder if creating bonded leather is even worse for the environment than using leather. My daughter’s vegetarian, she switched back to leather bags when she discovered how harmful pleather is.
Hi Katie! I 100% agree- new Coach doesn't hold a candle to the vintage Coach we grew up with. And I agree- so many bags from that era had unremovable straps, and it drove me crazy! I'm glad design houses are coming around to the idea of removeable straps finally. I do think the bonded leather will be worse for the enviroment than just regular leather. But only time will tell for sure.
Thank you for this info. 😱
You're welcome NYY! I hope you're having a great weekend!
I always look for top grain italian leather in my bags. It gets on my nerves when friends of mine think GENUINE leather is the best leather there is. However BONDED leather is rubbish, literally scraps bonded together with glue. What grinds me more with coach is that they don't disclose on the website where they make their products. Being an iconic American brand it would be so nice to have them made back in the US. But all in all, I do love many of their products.
I agree- I hate inferior products. But at the end of the day, Coach does have some great designs!
Thus was such an informative video and your bags served as visual aids so we REALLY see the difference! Quick question: Do you think the Soft Tabby is worth the price for the quality or should I look for vintage/y2k coach leather bags instead? 🤔
Thank you so much!! I would personally snag the Tabby on sale or at the outlet. I have the denim Tabby and love it- but the leather ones seem really soft to me.
@CalebSnell yes definitely! That is what made me pause on the purchase. It looks gorgeous but I'm not sure of the durability. That denim tabby is EVERYTHING! I regret not getting that one. Thank you for your response 🙏🏾
Do you have the Willow Camera bag
Hi Jeanette, I don't have the Willow Camera Bag, but I do love a good camera bag design.
I couldn't agree with you more. Handbag "deciders" seem to think we're idiots. Example, coated canvas. Tanner Leatherstein calls it "glorified plastic." 💸 Thanks for keeping it real. 🌻
Thank you, Linda! It's such a shame! And you're right about coated canvas. There's a time and a place for coated canvas, but I definitely wouldn't buy too much of it.
I knew something was up with those demis!!! I wanted the blue one so bad but when ever I rubber or picked up the handle I couldn't deal with the dry rub texture lol. They tried it AGAIN. Suing! Lol
Hahaha, I love it!
hey man! just wondering what do you think of their "refined calf leather" and "sport calf leather"? are those buzzwords for bonded leather as well?
Hey! Great question! So I'm a little leery of those terms- I feel like refined leather has probably been overly corrected in the tanning process, but I could be wrong!
Hi Caleb, what do think about the refresh tabby 26 in signature canvas Rust? It says “Genuine glovetanned leather” on it and priced at $450.. Thank you.. 😊
Hi Sneha! I have the Soft Tabby in denim and love it! I've never had one of the Tabby 26's though- but they are beautiful!
I just bought the charter with hybrid pouch online and wish I hadn’t. It sit strangely and doesn’t feel like good quality at all. My Michael kors crossbody bags are much better quality ironically. Also as a side note I friggin love Scotty
Ugh, I hate when I order something online and it's disappointing when it arrives. And omg, Scotty is fabulous, I love his channel!
So it's not me is it? I'm in my *cough* mid 40s *cough* and I remember coach having thick luxurious leather handbags. The styles were timeless and chic. Looking at coach now as a mid-40s professional, I just don't get it? And what is everything small, hard and square? You cannot fit anything into the bags and they do have carry that timeless elegance of the bags in the 80s/90s. Thinking it's time to move over to Dooney and Bourke. Sadly their bags are super heavy but at least the leather is real. Now I do love the brown Coachlegacy bag you held up...what's her name? I need her.
That was the Coach Legacy Ali Hobo! It's a gorgeous bag! I sold mine in a Live Sale recently, but they can be found pretty easily still over on eBay! And I agree- love Dooney, but they can get heavy!
Caleb the great & Smoking 🔥 Zane will lead us to great audio & retail buzz around the fashion world
Yasss! Thank you, Lonnie!
I’m late! I purchased two bags and three wallets a while ago from the outlet and they are so cute but I was like this doesn’t smell like leather. And it says “pebbled leather “
Or something and when I dug deeper and it’s not leather.
That's so disappointing, I'm sorry that happened!
@@CalebSnell it is. Now I’m questioning everything from the online outlet page
Yes yes yes. I dig some of the new designs but the leather is iffy. The leather I like most from modern coach is Nappa on my quilted Madison.
The leather is so iffy- it's kind of turning me off from the brand, which is a bummer.
I’d love a good thick vachetta bag!! What was the first one you showed? I looove the look.
Wow…bonded leather…terrible!
Thank you!! That's the Legacy Ali Hobo. It mayyyyy be in my bag sale next month!
Please do a video on the brand Brahmin. They are great and good quality.
Hi Richard! Thank you for the idea, I'll look into it!
Coach still has some cute models, but same as Michael Kors starting to use that bonded leather they will loose customers for going cheap… Dooney and Bourke all the way baby!! I know is not consider luxury but to me it is without the big price tag lol Hugs!!
You know I love Dooney & Bourke- the quality is impeccable, especially at the pricepoint.
@@CalebSnell yes, exactly!!! Between I have a TH-cam in Spanish Language just started and I love watching your channel it’s very entertaining and give me some info on the luxury brands especially! Thank you for that 🥰
coach in 90s was best I love you and him scott
Thank you, Hamid!
I love the original glovetanned leather they used on their vintage pieces. Like the court bag. But I’ve also been into their old styles. Idk made me change my mind on this reimagined collection. Cuz I was going to buy the Demi bag finally. Now idk lol.
I do too! The Court bag is such a classic! Yeah, they dropped the ball on some of the recent materials.
I have been a Coach customer for nearly 30 years, following in the footsteps of my mom, who carried them exclusively from the time I was in diapers--she always bragged about the quality because her original, which she carried my diapers in, although beaten and scarred from use, was a sturdy of a bag as it was on Day 1. For reference, I'm 48! They have touted glove-tanned leather since their inception in the 1940s. It is not the same as bonded leather. It is actually full-grain leather tanned in such a way that the colors don't fade when, say, exposed to water. But you're not lying about the shit quality they have gone to! It was all over when their corporation sold in the early 2000s, i.e. when the logo fabric bags went into production. WHY would I spend the same money for a fabric purse vs a thick beautiful leather one that, if I want it to, will literally last for decades?! Another change at that time was the addition of fabric lining in their leather bags. I have long suspected this was done to camoflage a shift to thinner leather. My 1st 2 Coach bags (in the mid-late 90s), and all my mom's before then, were the back of the external leather inside. My all time favorite one is 11 years old, and I still keep it in my rotation of in-use bags. Every time I get it back out and carry it, it's like a new purse all over again! Although lined, the lining is very thick and much more durable than many of their linings, and of course, it's the THICK, beautiful leather. 11 years down the road and it STILL smells like new leather! And that is what you should expect from a Coach bag! All the shifts to pebble leather, murano leather, etc are just a cheapening of the product that they built their reputation on. I always shop them when shopping for a new bag, but honestly they don't appeal much to me anymore. They target a younger demographic than me, and that's fine they can do them, but it is women of a certain age and up who actually practice brand loyalty and not whatever is trendy. My last 2 new bags were leather Dooneys and their quality is still the same as a Dooney I had in the 90s (prior to my switch to Coach). Coach has really gone to shit and it's sad to me, b/c over the years I have spent thousands on theri gorgeous THICK leather bags. Rant over!
I couldn't agree more about the quality. I much prefer the older pieces over the newer pieces because the quality of the older stuff is so much better! And it's really neat that you and your mom share a love for Coach!
I am not actually mad about the bonded leather. It is to me recycled, same as plastics are. However I wish they would re-enter the lux market as well. Since the lux market has significantly bumped their way into 1-2k bags, I wish they would remake to the same standards their 1980s-90’s thick bags and price them accordingly. You have gen Xers like me who bought their seriously vintage bags new back in the day and would pay for it, and it could be a gateway for younger/newer customers too. Those thick leather outer/raw suede inside bags were 400-600 back in the day, they could be double to triple that now and I’d pay. Still a bargain for todays standards.
I agree- seeing some lux level pieces would be great. I think rereleasing the vintage bags but in brighter more modern colors would go over really well- I'd buy a few!
Love my vintage coach have 2 from the nineties. This bonded leather sound like Chanel leather.
Hi Marlene! Haha, you're not wrong!
alot of their bags say "refined pebble leather", do you have any comments on the quality of those?
I'm really not sure what they mean by "refined". It could be a marketing term, but I'll have to look into it more.
I love Coach and MK I mean is what I can afford at the moment haha
Coach will always have a special place in my heart- that's where I got my start in collecting luxury!
Love me a Coach Bag!
Yasss!
I am sticking with 1980's and 90's Coach - the leather is stunning! I avoid the signature and y2k styles as the quality just isn't there IMHO.
Smart idea- the vintage pieces are built like tanks!
I love my coach bags & ya know if they are using 'faux leather', good for them, I think it's wonderful, but they need to make it known so they don't get slammed for 'false advertising'. The prices are still much more attainable than some of the other labels like LV, Chanel, etc., but yes, make it known, 'own it', they'll be more embarrassed than if it comes out later that they were lying to us.
I agree- there needs to be more transparency when it comes to the materials. And you're so right- "own it!" 😃
What’s a good leather bag you recommend that’s in the price range of coach?
I'm glad you asked! I actually have a video coming out tomorrow with a list of mid-range bags!
@@CalebSnell can’t wait! Thank you for responding! I bought myself the Carter 28 coach as my birthday gift. I’m excited! But I also wanna expand my list for good quality and affordable bags!
OMG. Do not get me started. It was bad enough when production was moved out of the US and Central America.. I recently started to look into the brand again and.. what is up with replacing two straps on the Hudson backpacks with weak magnets? The straps are now decorative. The point of straps on a bag is to ensure the bag STAYS closed. The materials weren't that great either.. Coach needs a wakeup call.
I’m so sorry to hear about what happened to your backpack! And I agree coach does need a little bit of a wake up call! I hope you’re having a great week!