I have a lot of respect for David but he never lined up against MJ. If he did he would know better. Lebrons skills and kill would make him an ordinary Joe. All the greats that played against him said so.
Draymond is playing center when there is only 2 real centers in the NBA, Embiid and Joker! Imagine Draymond had to face Mourning, Ewing, Robinson, SHAQ, Big Country, Sabonis, Smits, Mutumbo, Hakeem😂😂😂😂😂
Hate when people bring up the physical part of the 80-90s cause if most people get fouls like that at the gym they’re ready to fight! But yell that’s better D 🤦🏾♂️
Dennis stopped shaq though lol running around 300lbs+ and 7 feet tall and still outrebound everyone... nah bro dont play, I swear if they didnt get Rodman they wouldnt get their second 3 peat. Rodman was essential
My father has been telling back in the days of the 90's, Jordan is the most hated player on the planet. Most of them denied and claimed that Kareem is the GOAT over him. Now we are seeing it happening over Lebron. We always have the tendency to not appreciate something we have right now and always glorifying the past. That's why what he said he's correct "He's only gonna get props when he retires."
What’s funny in the comments is, if he would of been speaking in favor of MJ and his era people would be saying “see he played wit Bron and he still say MJ better” he’s breaking down his opinion based off facts. U can agree or disagree
Best Summarization I've heard. Most will act like he didn't play or lose, miss playoffs,.lose in playoffs the other 9 years including the 2 with the wizards 😂 selective memory
I can't fathom that anyone is a better NBA Basketball player than MJ. Certainly not LeBron. You could have said Michael was great for 15 years not 6. Respect buddy. LeBron was not great his whole life time. That's a bit of an exaggeration. What about the 6 times he lost in the finals? Remember that?
When he is done, he will get his respect, he says... 😅 I think is the opposite of that, he is now enjoying his time as a GOAT contender because he is relevant now but once that stops people will forget about him because he never got that level of impact on court, he only did it outside and in social media, NOBODY was calling him the GOAT until he decided to call himself the GOAT... 🤷
Man that´s like people who hasn´t been to school thinking. You have hard time to compare eras because, you'll have to adapt a today's athlete to the way they used to move (run, drible, shoot, atack and defend) back then. And vice versa, meaning puting someone from the 60's, 90´s whatever and adapt him to today´s ways (run, drible, shoot, atack and defend). Meaning, give Jordan all the conditions and development sport and medical science has achieved and imegine how good/bad he would be. And also, the reverse, to put Bron or other in the 80´s or 90's, take away all the benefits he has of todays sport and medical science and then adapt him to those times games. Other than this is just not being reasonable.
Bruh is he kidding? Rodman was guarding Shaq so well and he is more than 100 pounds less than him in the playoffs and games in the 90's. Did he forget that? He was 2 years older than Jordan when he was on the Bulls, and in such great shape a freak of nature 💯
@@MyDogSteppedOnaBeee your arguing something I’m not even talking about of course Shaq dominates any era I’m talking about matchup wise Bron n Shaq are two different styles of force Rodman can’t guard them both the same way n just cuz he had some success vs one doesn’t mean he would with the other
IMAGINE... mike did exactly what lebron did, left his team, joined kareem & magic to WIN & still fell short, he would be labeled weak, RESPECT is earned not given!💯
@@Patriotsa11dayu DEFINITELY don't know BALL to say that's not what LE' FLOP did... so he didn't go to the LAKERS & teamed-up with A.D, westbrook, melo, dwight, rondo & MORE to win... C'MON BRO!!! u lebron fans need medical HELP!!!💯
The fact that Jordan played less years and won more rings, more scoring titles, more finals mvps, more all nba 1st team defense, more DPOY, and 3 peated twice, without switching teams and a without a dominant big or elite scorer is the reason he’s the GOAT. LeBron wins in the longevity, but Jordan’s prime was unmatched and he has more accolades and titles is unbelievable. Jordan is the best to ever do it.
The office being David West favorite show just tells me he was a fuckin nerd growing up, know 44 yr old black man who's a man's man favorite show is the fuckin Office I'm 41 and I would rather watch Golden Girls then the office.
if david west is talking FACTS like what if they play that past era. what if we go the other way around. what if those players have the advancement of tech, med, size (also because size and height is the requirements of todays game) together with evolve basketball game and their IQ's. do you think theyre still trash in todays game?? or what if lebron and the stars of today never get the advantages of todays basketball game and technologies and etc, would they still be able to do these things?? like in that era, that's the required skillset and technologies. and pretty sure they cant do the shits they were doing. THATS WHY ITS DUMB TO COMPARE ERAS. so much BS just to say todays players is superior and those people are garbage and plumbers.
West saying facts about the weight but alot of the players hes mentioning for the exception of Bron were not the Elite guys, so there is context missing for example he mention Lance Stephenson im from ny i know about "born ready" but he not better then Jamal Crawford and Jamal a tooth pick. Why he dont mention KD whos a tooth pick? his claims needed somebody that smart enough to give push back he himself is not better then A.D. so its not just a weight thing for everybody... Z Bo was nasty but he not better then Duncan or KG. Some ppl use of weight would give dominance like lets say Shaq!!! but Hakeem took a young shaq to school no??? Shaq still most dominant EVER but ppl act like these aint Pros when is convenient that 3rd stringer might cook tonight cuz the game is mental as well maybe he feeling extra confident and everything going for him i mean he here for a reason no?.
Imagine not being able to touch a player that's 6"9 265lbs coming down hill with all forearms and shoulders to the chest welcome to the NBA in 2024 reminds me of the NFL soon to be flag football S/CBs not being able to separate receivers from the ball 😞 Even with hand checking Mike was still a mismatch u proved my point he became a Goat in one one the most physical times in the NBA
It equals being unstoppable to any individual defense. It legit took 5 defenders working together to slow down or make it difficult for Lebron, but even then, Lebron could still beat them with his IQ & passing ability
Well, you can't even argue that these players today aren't WAY more athletic and skilled! MJ, maybe Pippen and Rodman were the most athletic men in the NBA in the 90's. Mj is the ONLY one whose athleticism then was like these kids now! He would be fine in ANY era!
Agreed! But west is saying there is size and skill in today's game. The past had smaller size and less skill. Toughness in great amounts indeed!!! But there's a clear difference
What does size have to do with Basketball it’s not Football and even then skill gets you further than physical and athleticism 😂 that’s crazy size has nothing to do with playing Basketball
Lebron physically has the best body in sports.. but it’s about competition and he’s not Mike not even close … that’s a hard truth the hell with science
David West just contradicted himself saying who would guard LBJ in the past era and then states that no one would be able to get passed him in he past because hand checking was legal and that was why they changed the rule. LBJ would not get 100 free throws in the past cause of the fact that they did not call flop fouls or even touch fouls like they do today. And as far as his longetivity, play bully ball in the past and lets see how long you last without that sports med stuff.
It doesn’t matter how much better a player performs from MJ until forever. Mike is the G.O.A.T. He was a terror to teams. The whole team could not stop one man. One! And he got wins! Bron is HIM. He can do all kinds of 💩 on the that basketball floor. But he ain’t making them wins happen like MJ can. MJ makes a squad better while he going crazy. And they keep up that style of play once they learn with MJ. Bron can take trash to the finals but they will still be trash as soon as they get the chance. MJ is mentally different bro. And you can’t talk 💩 to him, at all, or he wakes up , goes for 50 and here comes an L for your team. Watch the footage bro. It’s insane when you see it. MJ is what the 99 overall rating is about in 2k. I bs you not.
David West is a wise man. Your eyes don't lie! As great as MJ was, I have never seen anything like LeBron and not only that for as long as I have seen it. 20 plus years of being among the best in the game I am just not going to overlook.
He was a tall version of Allen Iverson,only shined through scoring and athletism.Only difference is MJ had Phil Jackson and Scottie pippen.If A.I had that he'd have rings to.Lebron won rings against super teams with role players
TROLL MJ has better stats on defense than LBJ. WHERE IS YOUR COMMON SENSE ARE U A CLOWN 😂 WHO HAS BETTER DEFENSIVE 🤔 ARCHOLADES HUH??. TROLL. I,LL WAIT , LBJ IN D LEAGUE SINCE KIDERGARDEN AND STILL PLAYING CATCH UP 😂 COME OF D MEDS DUDE, AND MAKE IT MAKE SENSE FOR ME 😂😂 LMFAO
@@ClintMcneil-h5k creating super teams over superteams.. gsw spurs and okc durant are lottery teams?😂😂. so how about the super team bulls.. win a. 6 chips against? super teams thats the difference.. creating super teams is reasonable if you facing other one.. but if you have a super team against a mmis match what do we call that?
Who is being dishonest 😂😂 the rules have changed not let’s keep it a buck Wilt was not allowed to play Basketball like Shaq it was not allowed to yet he still put a lot of guys out.
2010 bigs was nice, gasol and zbo, timmy and splitter, dirk and tyson, kg and perk, pau and odom/bynum, west and roy, lamarcus and lopez, all and millsap, all and josh, lopez and gianis later, way better era of bigs
For any era?? really? you do realize in the 60's he WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PLAY LIKE HE DOES TODAY THE RULES OF THE TIME WOULD NOT ALLOW HIM TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HIS PHYSICAL "SUPERIORITY"
Yaaayyyy Lebron is the Cal Ripken of the nba. You judge the prime years when you evaluate who’s truly the best. And it’s not even close, MJ is the ultimate winner. It doesn’t matter what era it is, it’s extremely hard to three peat, but to do it twice? Lmao. Bron brings extreme intensity 1 out of 3 games. Jordan brought it every single game.
Yeah the rules of today would add 5-7ppg to Jordan’s 37ppg season bc the lane would be completely wide open and you don’t have hand checking. Also Lebron has lost more playoff series as the HIGHER seed than his opponent whereas Jordan didn’t. As the stakes for higher, Jordan performed better. Lebron disappeared in Game 4 of the 2011 NBA Finals scoring ZERO pts in the 4th quarter. He was abysmal. Lebron also load managed and took games off. Jordan played through food poisoning. It’s really not close.
He speaking the truth u realize that lebron james 6 foot 9 260 pounds with a 40 inch vertical he was bigger or the same size as the mailman and he was a power forward and lbj was a point guard and still average at 26 points 8 rebounds and 8 assist shooting 40 percent from 3 and shooting over 50 percent Jordan or kobe were slowing down at the year 16 season
@@ancientwarriors67 he does make sense because mj at the time was a big guard in the 80 and 90 today he would be average. Lbj is 6 foot 9 and 260 pound point guard with crazy athleticism he was the same size or bigger than karl Malone he was a power forward in the 90
MJ > LBJ only because he got 2 more FMVP than LeThanos (Best Player on a 🏆 Team) LBJ is pretty close tho. Unlucky on some of his runs but hey, that's part of the game.
When Lebron is gone Jordan is still the GOAT don't be delusional. You guys are even admitting your argument is invalid. So if Lebron played in the 90s how do you know for a fact that Lebron will be born to get that heavy he might be the same height because Height is hard to control within genetics If both parents are tall then most likely their offspring will be tall if one is short and one is tall most likely it's going to be a 50/50 chance and both parents are short then it less likely the kids will be taller so giving him the same parent could keep his height where it is today. But, size is a whole different story yes genetics can play a part but, it plays a part in how fast or slow you can gain or lose it depending on your family's genetic metabolism makeup including how different the world around James would be he probably wouldn't have been the size he is today with the differences in diet, food, training, and society norms would have been different to his development and then the lack differences of Modern Medicine in the '90s makes it less likely he plays 20 plus years but, Lebron probably will have more of competitive mentality instead of the buddy crap that becoming the norm in modern basketball. If you look at the history of man in general, the average height changes depending on society. Man is getting taller every few decades some societies are faster than others. You people keep trying to drop Lebron in eras where he might not have the size he does today without adjusting evolution to that point isn't realistic you are accentually dropping a time traveler with future advantages in the past with unfair advantages. That is like dropping a Modern warrior with all his modern weapons into the Civil War duh his M-13 is going to body everyone makes it make sense but, if he loses all that and has to survive like a soldier from the Civil War he might not last long or be super difficult without all his modern gadgets doing the work for him which mean he has learned how to survive like a soldier of that time period. Same with if you drop a Civil War soldier into day he will have to adjust to a new world of tech yes his survival skill will still work today but to complete he will need to accept the new norm. If Jordan was born in today's game or any of the older legends into the Modern Game Jordan with all the Modern advantages everyone else including the same parent's genetic make-up he's probably going to be bigger, faster, stronger, etc but will Jordan keep the mentality that he is known for and what modern players are known to lack. Pretty much everyone is gaining and losing something. But if you drop the Jordan everyone already knows in modern society with all the modern sports advantages and his same will to dominate mentality with the bunch of powder puff who play today. And think he won't win more than six and be the number one point holder in NBA History You're trippin' Jordan is 6th on the list and only played 13 years with 2 retirements and the lack of modern meds to stretch out his career it took Lebron 18 years to pass Kobe and Michael in points... it's just crazy to me that you say Dennis Rodman is 210 and would have trouble with heavier players when he guarded people like Shaq, Tim Duncan, and Shawn Kemp who was bigger and super quick off the dribble Power Forwards like Griffin Plus Dennis Rodman guarded all 5 positions so speed and strength is not the issue it's Pro player not knowing or remembering the history of the game speak during the podcast era sounding silly that's the issue we are dealing with today some of yall make it seem like you have an agenda or think all fans are just dumb enough to listen to yall without researching the facts. it's like I saw fast big Power Forwards in the 90s and 80s and I seen Rodman guard them all who are you tryinng to fool?
If Giannis gets the exact rings as LeBron would you consider him the goat if Tattum gets more also is he the goat. So what is the criteria anymore is it longevity or the championship. Kobe played more games than Mj too has more rings than LeBron. Why wasn't he considered. How do you pass Kobe and put LeBron because one invested money on his fitness and plays longer getting L's each finals and getting swept with a team that had only one All star okay that makes him the goat.
When debating the goat.. all the team and popularity awards should not play into the calculation. jordan maybe 6-0 in the finals but he never got past the first round playoffs without pipen.. lebron has won on multiple terrible teams.. kind of hard to allow final losses count against him.,.. id just compare the actual basketball stats and let them speak for themselves....
lol the debt has been over a long time ago. Jordan is the goat sorry lebron fans. Just because you been in the league longer doesn't prove shit lol lebron has failed the test a long time ago. Its simple math.....
The ongoing debate about Lesteroid's status as the greatest of all time (GOAT) is tiring and unfounded. While Lesteroid is a talented player, he is far from being the undisputed GOAT. How can someone claim to be the GOAT when their finals record is 4-6 and they have a history of forming superteams by hopping between organizations?
mj never beat any dynasties tho 😂 context everything . played lesser tier talent and teams than bron facts . 07’ 14’ spurs 15’ 17’ 18’ warriors better than any team jordan won a ring against 😂
old head and 80-90`s fan says LeBron wont survive that physicality,, they dont know that lebron just know how to adapt and adjust,, he went from 2000`s playstyle to 2020`s 3 different era, if he played 80`s hed go physical as well since its the style that time,, 290lbs 6`9 and sprint as fast as PG,, you dont know how much force that can create if you dare to block that in another end,, prolly shaq and ben can take the impact.
Rodman guarded PRIME Shaq. There is footage of these feats. Rodman guarded PRIME MVP Karl Malone for at least one NBA Finals series. Let’s not act like Worm couldn’t have handled himself against today’s players.
mj never beat any dynasties tho 😂 context everything . played lesser tier talent and teams than bron facts . 07’ 14’ spurs 15’ 17’ 18’ warriors better than any team jordan won a ring against 😂 beat a old lakers without kareem . no team he beat won when he retired
@@toerawyeaThat’s a horrible argument to make regarding Jordan, that he never beat any dynasties. He never lost when he got there either, and once he got there, he prevented more Hall of Famers from winning than anyone else.
@@toerawyea How? Jordan never beat dynasties, sure, because he never allowed them to form.. The Barkley-Drexler-Olajuwon Rockets got beat by the Jazz, who the Bulls beat. The Orlando Magic with Shaq and Penny had just made the Finals and Conference Finals, and looked to be setting up for a dynastic run. Jordan swept them and broke them up.. The only Dynasty was the Bulls, and NOBODY beat that dynasty..
🤔Come On, Steph Curry Is Doing It, Most Guards Are Bigger Than Curry!!!…🤔Besides We’ve Seen Kobe Bryant Handle Lebron With Finesse, Skills And Brains Many Time And Afterwards Pat Lebron On The Butt!!!…
2 rings as role player for golden state guarding lebron with andre iguodala another all of famer 😊 How deep was golden state? All those who played and beaten bron also give him respect cause they knew couldn't beat him in prior teams like Indiana or thunder if we talk about durant just shooting the lights out vs serbia coming from an injury🎉🎉
Everybody in the comments talking bout d west speaking facts and this whole convo he spoke about how much mfr’s weighed lmao….talking bout “how do u stop that” ask the 17 years worth of teams that did it…..it ain’t the size of the dog in the fight it’s the size of the fight in the the damn dog….
Why do they talk about this same tired Crap everyday😮. Ain't No 1 man's opinion gonna make everybody say LeBron is Better than Michael. If you like LeBron great but Michael is the Icon and this Argument is tired as Hell 🥱 ... LeBron has Longevity but Better than Mike 😵💫? Just like who you like 👊🏾
Because of the opinion of a role player that the closest he'll ever get to the hall-of-fame is when he drives through Springfield, MA? You're as bright as Ryan Leaf on 4th down and inner-city blocks. Barkley, McHale, Rodman, Webber are much superior power-forwards and hall-of-famers and they all view Black Jesus as the GOAT. The greatest Pacers player all-time and hall-of-famer (Reggie Miller) also views His Airness as the GOAT. We ain't mad. We're laughing like Carrie White's mom told her they would at her prom.
They are allowed to travel the Ball now that’s not evaluation and Bron never gets fouls called on him as much yet he runs into people grabs arms 😂😂 do ya’ll watch film he is good but overrated.
How do you get around that skill nobody’s playing the same game that they were doing those times then what they doing now now they have the big man around the key and at the three-point line back then all the big men was at the backboard in the middle the way that they plan the game now Cotton candy soft it doesn’t matter. LeBron is too big with no handle Mike with the dominated him every time down the floor. You gotta look at these guys skill set. They not touch they not being looked at and they definitely not playing defense. Show me one player the LeBron play defense on noneis getting so commercial that they got cameras for someone touching another player instant replay I don’t even wanna look at the game anymore
Lebron couldnt deal with a Michael Beasley ... if you notice all role players say Lebron mosr of the superstars past and presenr day MJ west was a role player
D-West spitting straight facts about this false narrative about the early 90's ball. None of those guys could do anything with LeBron. The Fans Boys want to make those days more than what they were. They didn't have such a freak of nature to deal with like LeBron back then. I watched the games back from the 80's up.
well remember karl malone and charles oakley both have 6 fouls to use... after an elbow smash to the face and head.. thats 2 fouls each... REMEMBER THEY HAVE 6 EACH TO USE ANYTIME THEY WANT...
@johnnythekid4601 Malone and Barkley were never known for being good defenders. LeBron was Malones height, size and strength but could dribble like a guard and was as fast as one. Not to mention that he could leap out of the gym. You will never see another player like him. One of one....
West actually using facts. Not emotions and nostalgia.
No he's not. You're just a Lebron fan.
He using make believe lol stop this nonsense not close to mike
One of the few players that has a lot of knowledge from the game. Seen a few clips of him and he always has a smart take, underrated player
Still don’t change.. MJ is the standard
I have a lot of respect for David but he never lined up against MJ. If he did he would know better. Lebrons skills and kill would make him an ordinary Joe. All the greats that played against him said so.
They did a good job of explaining the difference between eras.
naw
It’s either you agree or disagree. You have that option. Im Team bron.
Sorry 😔. After watching USA team play , I have a change of heart. LEBRON is better than MJ
That's a goofy statement too make sir, you tweakin! No real basketball fan really believes that smh
@@ancientwarriors67 real basketball fan here. 53 yrs old. OId running with Bron
@@TonySoulif you 53 years old you know this man is on steroids LBJ is on steroids
Bron is overrated as hell no real basketball skills.He just big but doesn't pose any skills set only bully ball he plays.
@@DemarcusRobinson-j1gfacts
Ppl really think LeBron wouldn't have terrorized any era lmfao
Nah he too sensitive he would be great in any era but he isn't the GOAT now and he dsmn sure wouldn't be the GOAT in 90s
He struggles even in this era 😂😂
@@KTT3000I’ll say this if it was the Heat Bron with Kobe’s consistency I’d say yeah other than that naaaa son
@@Sldumas1983how when he’s the best player on a team with the best players from the US
@Sldumas1983 kobe ain't never been consistent he was relentless. Don't try to rewrite history.
Simply cuz he said his favorite show was The Office I fux wit him
Definitely elevates you to enjoy the office
Absolutely great take on the LeBron segment..💯💯💯
Love D. West but the Rodman argument is crazy. If Draymond can play center, I think Rodman could play power forward 😂
Draymond is playing center in an era with passive centers. Rodman was playing in the "toughest" era of basketball. That says a lot.
Draymond is playing center when there is only 2 real centers in the NBA, Embiid and Joker! Imagine Draymond had to face Mourning, Ewing, Robinson, SHAQ, Big Country, Sabonis, Smits, Mutumbo, Hakeem😂😂😂😂😂
@@jaysaget1280these mfs be trying create narratives instead just saying facts
Draymond is one of the smartest players to ever play.
@@jauharilee7496 lmao y’all just be throwing N e thing online lmao !! Why bcuz he passes to open great shooters ?
So Dennis didn't guard Karl Malone, Charles Barkley and Shaquille when he played? I'm confused
Rodman can try to guard him but ain’t stop shaq one bit lol😂
Exactly
@@alvingodfrey-uj4gjgo back n watch tape ..Rodman use to give Shaq trouble and he would check him one on one no help
Hate when people bring up the physical part of the 80-90s cause if most people get fouls like that at the gym they’re ready to fight! But yell that’s better D 🤦🏾♂️
I have been saying this for years. Today NBA players are bigger and stronger and have become more skilled
Dennis stopped shaq though lol running around 300lbs+ and 7 feet tall and still outrebound everyone... nah bro dont play, I swear if they didnt get Rodman they wouldnt get their second 3 peat. Rodman was essential
Dennis is an outlier bro there’s only one Dennis Rodman
When has Dennis stopped shaq yall be in these comments lying yall lives away
@@MamadouToure-m6c 😂 they make it sound good too
@@MamadouToure-m6c LOL....NEVER!
My father has been telling back in the days of the 90's, Jordan is the most hated player on the planet. Most of them denied and claimed that Kareem is the GOAT over him. Now we are seeing it happening over Lebron.
We always have the tendency to not appreciate something we have right now and always glorifying the past. That's why what he said he's correct "He's only gonna get props when he retires."
Lebron is Karl Malone playing on the perimeter.
Coming from you someone who probably never even made the JV team 😂😂😂
Karl couldn't do half of what lebron can right now
@@marcel3942 you’re slow. Im referring to his stature not athletic ability. Lebron & Karl just the same size physically
@@rollingwithjay1371 rolling with jay? You rolling in a wheelchair? 🤣
@@rollingwithjay1371😂😂😂
HE MUST BE TALKING ABOUT EARLY DETROIT RODMAN CAUSE IM CERTAIN BULLS RODMAN DIDNT WEIGH 210LBS ....
What’s funny in the comments is, if he would of been speaking in favor of MJ and his era people would be saying “see he played wit Bron and he still say MJ better” he’s breaking down his opinion based off facts. U can agree or disagree
If you put PEDs on elves, gremlins and eskimos I'm sure they can dunk a basketball, too.
Like I said if he wouldn’t said Jordan was better you would be parading.
If all these pacers were so physically superior why were they out the league in a few years. They also never won shit.
jordan was great for 6 years Bron was great his whole lifetime 🤷🏽⭐️
Best Summarization I've heard. Most will act like he didn't play or lose, miss playoffs,.lose in playoffs the other 9 years including the 2 with the wizards 😂 selective memory
You drunk af 😂🤦🏾♂️
I can't fathom that anyone is a better NBA Basketball player than MJ. Certainly not LeBron. You could have said Michael was great for 15 years not 6. Respect buddy. LeBron was not great his whole life time. That's a bit of an exaggeration. What about the 6 times he lost in the finals? Remember that?
@@LastLetterisZed702🗣️THANK Y👤U , MAN .>🎤 🏀🗑️🤾⛹️
He wasn’t just “great”. Define great.
When he is done, he will get his respect, he says... 😅 I think is the opposite of that, he is now enjoying his time as a GOAT contender because he is relevant now but once that stops people will forget about him because he never got that level of impact on court, he only did it outside and in social media, NOBODY was calling him the GOAT until he decided to call himself the GOAT... 🤷
Dennis guarded Shaq better than most
This is why i have no respect for the fools who still try to downplay Bron. His biggest rivals are telling you he's the GOAT.
Man that´s like people who hasn´t been to school thinking. You have hard time to compare eras because, you'll have to adapt a today's athlete to the way they used to move (run, drible, shoot, atack and defend) back then. And vice versa, meaning puting someone from the 60's, 90´s whatever and adapt him to today´s ways (run, drible, shoot, atack and defend). Meaning, give Jordan all the conditions and development sport and medical science has achieved and imegine how good/bad he would be. And also, the reverse, to put Bron or other in the 80´s or 90's, take away all the benefits he has of todays sport and medical science and then adapt him to those times games. Other than this is just not being reasonable.
Bruh is he kidding? Rodman was guarding Shaq so well and he is more than 100 pounds less than him in the playoffs and games in the 90's. Did he forget that? He was 2 years older than Jordan when he was on the Bulls, and in such great shape a freak of nature 💯
Shaq wasn’t as fast n athletic as Bron n couldn’t change direction s nearly as fast
@@SilentHillH2H Neither are some of the players he is mentioning on the pacers. Come on bro Shaq would dominate in any era stop it 😳
Though you are right, Shaq wasn't prime Shaq yet. 2nd year Lakers Shaq was different.
@@Alkheezy Wilt would also be a force he was such an athlete besides basketball was a runner too and very strong.
@@MyDogSteppedOnaBeee your arguing something I’m not even talking about of course Shaq dominates any era I’m talking about matchup wise Bron n Shaq are two different styles of force Rodman can’t guard them both the same way n just cuz he had some success vs one doesn’t mean he would with the other
Blake griffin would put Rodman in the rim ☠️
They don’t be thinking like that
Easy
I subscribe because this …. West spitting facts…
He putting shit in perspective for y'all
Not really
STAY OFF K2 KIDS THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO U
IMAGINE... mike did exactly what lebron did, left his team, joined kareem & magic to WIN & still fell short, he would be labeled weak, RESPECT is earned not given!💯
Except that's not wtf LeBron did bruh. Sit this one out, you not a hoops fan
@@Patriotsa11dayu DEFINITELY don't know BALL to say that's not what LE' FLOP did... so he didn't go to the LAKERS & teamed-up with A.D, westbrook, melo, dwight, rondo & MORE to win... C'MON BRO!!! u lebron fans need medical HELP!!!💯
MJ was never the REASON his team lost while in his prime in the Finals and Playoffs … period
MJ couldn’t do anything with Bron in his prime. Just switch them Jordan is not taking those cavs teams to the finals
@@brendankandakai6042 Lol, Bron has too many chokes to compete
@@brendankandakai6042 Born got COOKED by Jason Terry in his PRIME, IN A FINALS ... automatic disqualification
*Bron
@@brendankandakai6042 th-cam.com/video/UHtuQIJ1F1U/w-d-xo.html lololololol
David West, Lebronites must’ve mistaken him for Jerry West
No MJ nites mistaking him for Bill Russell
David West on Crack cocaine
The fact that Jordan played less years and won more rings, more scoring titles, more finals mvps, more all nba 1st team defense, more DPOY, and 3 peated twice, without switching teams and a without a dominant big or elite scorer is the reason he’s the GOAT. LeBron wins in the longevity, but Jordan’s prime was unmatched and he has more accolades and titles is unbelievable. Jordan is the best to ever do it.
The office being David West favorite show just tells me he was a fuckin nerd growing up, know 44 yr old black man who's a man's man favorite show is the fuckin Office I'm 41 and I would rather watch Golden Girls then the office.
if david west is talking FACTS like what if they play that past era. what if we go the other way around. what if those players have the advancement of tech, med, size (also because size and height is the requirements of todays game) together with evolve basketball game and their IQ's. do you think theyre still trash in todays game??
or what if lebron and the stars of today never get the advantages of todays basketball game and technologies and etc, would they still be able to do these things?? like in that era, that's the required skillset and technologies. and pretty sure they cant do the shits they were doing.
THATS WHY ITS DUMB TO COMPARE ERAS. so much BS just to say todays players is superior and those people are garbage and plumbers.
West saying facts about the weight but alot of the players hes mentioning for the exception of Bron were not the Elite guys, so there is context missing for example he mention Lance Stephenson im from ny i know about "born ready" but he not better then Jamal Crawford and Jamal a tooth pick. Why he dont mention KD whos a tooth pick? his claims needed somebody that smart enough to give push back he himself is not better then A.D. so its not just a weight thing for everybody... Z Bo was nasty but he not better then Duncan or KG. Some ppl use of weight would give dominance like lets say Shaq!!! but Hakeem took a young shaq to school no??? Shaq still most dominant EVER but ppl act like these aint Pros when is convenient that 3rd stringer might cook tonight cuz the game is mental as well maybe he feeling extra confident and everything going for him i mean he here for a reason no?.
Lebron had to be 275 minimum those Miami days 😮💨
"That's not a big man" then he says he's too BIG and strong 😂🤦🏾♂️
He’s not a big man he’s a guard/ small forward that’s big and strong are you that slow?
Imagine not being able to touch a player that's 6"9 265lbs coming down hill with all forearms and shoulders to the chest welcome to the NBA in 2024 reminds me of the NFL soon to be flag football S/CBs not being able to separate receivers from the ball 😞
Even with hand checking Mike was still a mismatch u proved my point he became a Goat in one one the most physical times in the NBA
Wes you tripping
Jordan fans down bad... how you telling an NBA player hes tripping. This man has no association to Lebron. Get over it Lebron better than MJ.
How heavy is Steph?
200
LeBron Is My GOAT As Well
Yeah, go ahead and hang out with your buddy Nick Wright and Shannon Sharpe. What are they doing, paying you to say that?
Weight and strength don't equal skill.
It equals being unstoppable to any individual defense. It legit took 5 defenders working together to slow down or make it difficult for Lebron, but even then, Lebron could still beat them with his IQ & passing ability
Well, you can't even argue that these players today aren't WAY more athletic and skilled! MJ, maybe Pippen and Rodman were the most athletic men in the NBA in the 90's. Mj is the ONLY one whose athleticism then was like these kids now! He would be fine in ANY era!
Well Lebron have all 3, so what's your point
@@vladimirjackson1272mj would be average.
Agreed! But west is saying there is size and skill in today's game. The past had smaller size and less skill. Toughness in great amounts indeed!!! But there's a clear difference
W D WEST
What does size have to do with Basketball it’s not Football and even then skill gets you further than physical and athleticism 😂 that’s crazy size has nothing to do with playing Basketball
Lebron physically has the best body in sports.. but it’s about competition and he’s not Mike not even close … that’s a hard truth the hell with science
David West just contradicted himself saying who would guard LBJ in the past era and then states that no one would be able to get passed him in he past because hand checking was legal and that was why they changed the rule. LBJ would not get 100 free throws in the past cause of the fact that they did not call flop fouls or even touch fouls like they do today. And as far as his longetivity, play bully ball in the past and lets see how long you last without that sports med stuff.
FACTS!!
It doesn’t matter how much better a player performs from MJ until forever.
Mike is the G.O.A.T. He was a terror to teams. The whole team could not stop one man. One! And he got wins! Bron is HIM. He can do all kinds of 💩 on the that basketball floor. But he ain’t making them wins happen like MJ can.
MJ makes a squad better while he going crazy. And they keep up that style of play once they learn with MJ.
Bron can take trash to the finals but they will still be trash as soon as they get the chance.
MJ is mentally different bro. And you can’t talk 💩 to him, at all, or he wakes up
, goes for 50 and here comes an L for your team. Watch the footage bro. It’s insane when you see it. MJ is what the 99 overall rating is about in 2k. I bs you not.
mj didnt make wins happen lol. First round sweeps before he had pippen. Pippen contributed to wins... When mj left, bulls still a 55 win team...
David West is a wise man. Your eyes don't lie! As great as MJ was, I have never seen anything like LeBron and not only that for as long as I have seen it. 20 plus years of being among the best in the game I am just not going to overlook.
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How is somebody getting paid deservingly over 50 million a year not getting reapect? Thats a dumb discussion
How can you go 7 seasins without sniffing a finals and be called goat?
Jordan missed the whole 80s of finals.😂
When did Jordan had to stop playing to be considered?
Lebron still playing cuz he still knows deep in his heart he has not passed Jordan and he is still trying 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Oh so he was just supposed to quit five years ago? He’s still averaging 25+ bozo, that’s why he’s still playing!
Didnt KG say NuJuice??
Michael Jordan was a scorer, and that's it. He didn't have Lebron's rebound or assist stats. He was a scorer only. That doesn't cut it for me.
He was a tall version of Allen Iverson,only shined through scoring and athletism.Only difference is MJ had Phil Jackson and Scottie pippen.If A.I had that he'd have rings to.Lebron won rings against super teams with role players
@@Original-JewLBJ FORMED SUPER TEAMS TO BEAT TEAMS THAT WAS FORMED TRU THE DEAFT , DONT CLOWN YOURSELF OK DUDE 😂
TROLL MJ has better stats on defense than LBJ. WHERE IS YOUR COMMON SENSE ARE U A CLOWN 😂 WHO HAS BETTER DEFENSIVE 🤔 ARCHOLADES HUH??. TROLL. I,LL WAIT , LBJ IN D LEAGUE SINCE KIDERGARDEN AND STILL PLAYING CATCH UP 😂 COME OF D MEDS DUDE, AND MAKE IT MAKE SENSE FOR ME 😂😂 LMFAO
@@ClintMcneil-h5kthe Boston Celtics did not Draft KG and Ray Allen lol…
@@ClintMcneil-h5k creating super teams over superteams.. gsw spurs and okc durant are lottery teams?😂😂. so how about the super team bulls.. win a. 6 chips against? super teams thats the difference.. creating super teams is reasonable if you facing other one.. but if you have a super team against a mmis match what do we call that?
Who is being dishonest 😂😂 the rules have changed not let’s keep it a buck Wilt was not allowed to play Basketball like Shaq it was not allowed to yet he still put a lot of guys out.
2010 bigs was nice, gasol and zbo, timmy and splitter, dirk and tyson, kg and perk, pau and odom/bynum, west and roy, lamarcus and lopez, all and millsap, all and josh, lopez and gianis later, way better era of bigs
Shaq
I’d rather listen to NBA Hall of Famers discuss greats in all eras. David West is a role player.
And a real silly mf too lol smh
For any era?? really? you do realize in the 60's he WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PLAY LIKE HE DOES TODAY THE RULES OF THE TIME WOULD NOT ALLOW HIM TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HIS PHYSICAL "SUPERIORITY"
Yeah he would plus he’s smarter than everybody
Yaaayyyy Lebron is the Cal Ripken of the nba. You judge the prime years when you evaluate who’s truly the best. And it’s not even close, MJ is the ultimate winner. It doesn’t matter what era it is, it’s extremely hard to three peat, but to do it twice? Lmao.
Bron brings extreme intensity 1 out of 3 games. Jordan brought it every single game.
How in the fuk u know what intensity these guys bring. U aint in they body. The fuk u talking bout.
He also did not play the best comp with the odds always against him he didn’t have to worry about Scotty being hurt all the time
Yeah the rules of today would add 5-7ppg to Jordan’s 37ppg season bc the lane would be completely wide open and you don’t have hand checking. Also Lebron has lost more playoff series as the HIGHER seed than his opponent whereas Jordan didn’t. As the stakes for higher, Jordan performed better. Lebron disappeared in Game 4 of the 2011 NBA Finals scoring ZERO pts in the 4th quarter. He was abysmal. Lebron also load managed and took games off. Jordan played through food poisoning. It’s really not close.
What u smoking David west
He speaking the truth u realize that lebron james 6 foot 9 260 pounds with a 40 inch vertical he was bigger or the same size as the mailman and he was a power forward and lbj was a point guard and still average at 26 points 8 rebounds and 8 assist shooting 40 percent from 3 and shooting over 50 percent Jordan or kobe were slowing down at the year 16 season
lol it’s just his opinion, bro played against Lebron quite a few times, he probably knows more. The GOAT debate is more subjective than before
Yeah this fool tweakin, he ain't making no damn sense
@@ancientwarriors67 he does make sense because mj at the time was a big guard in the 80 and 90 today he would be average. Lbj is 6 foot 9 and 260 pound point guard with crazy athleticism he was the same size or bigger than karl Malone he was a power forward in the 90
@@jetblackdaigbe8361 bro you sound silly for making a statement like that how old are you?
Let him speak.. sheesh
MJ > LBJ only because he got 2 more FMVP than LeThanos (Best Player on a 🏆 Team)
LBJ is pretty close tho. Unlucky on some of his runs but hey, that's part of the game.
@fahyerfabski4977 Also MJ got it done in 6 or 7 less seasons.
When Lebron is gone Jordan is still the GOAT don't be delusional. You guys are even admitting your argument is invalid. So if Lebron played in the 90s how do you know for a fact that Lebron will be born to get that heavy he might be the same height because Height is hard to control within genetics If both parents are tall then most likely their offspring will be tall if one is short and one is tall most likely it's going to be a 50/50 chance and both parents are short then it less likely the kids will be taller so giving him the same parent could keep his height where it is today. But, size is a whole different story yes genetics can play a part but, it plays a part in how fast or slow you can gain or lose it depending on your family's genetic metabolism makeup including how different the world around James would be he probably wouldn't have been the size he is today with the differences in diet, food, training, and society norms would have been different to his development and then the lack differences of Modern Medicine in the '90s makes it less likely he plays 20 plus years but, Lebron probably will have more of competitive mentality instead of the buddy crap that becoming the norm in modern basketball. If you look at the history of man in general, the average height changes depending on society. Man is getting taller every few decades some societies are faster than others. You people keep trying to drop Lebron in eras where he might not have the size he does today without adjusting evolution to that point isn't realistic you are accentually dropping a time traveler with future advantages in the past with unfair advantages. That is like dropping a Modern warrior with all his modern weapons into the Civil War duh his M-13 is going to body everyone makes it make sense but, if he loses all that and has to survive like a soldier from the Civil War he might not last long or be super difficult without all his modern gadgets doing the work for him which mean he has learned how to survive like a soldier of that time period. Same with if you drop a Civil War soldier into day he will have to adjust to a new world of tech yes his survival skill will still work today but to complete he will need to accept the new norm. If Jordan was born in today's game or any of the older legends into the Modern Game Jordan with all the Modern advantages everyone else including the same parent's genetic make-up he's probably going to be bigger, faster, stronger, etc but will Jordan keep the mentality that he is known for and what modern players are known to lack. Pretty much everyone is gaining and losing something. But if you drop the Jordan everyone already knows in modern society with all the modern sports advantages and his same will to dominate mentality with the bunch of powder puff who play today. And think he won't win more than six and be the number one point holder in NBA History You're trippin' Jordan is 6th on the list and only played 13 years with 2 retirements and the lack of modern meds to stretch out his career it took Lebron 18 years to pass Kobe and Michael in points... it's just crazy to me that you say Dennis Rodman is 210 and would have trouble with heavier players when he guarded people like Shaq, Tim Duncan, and Shawn Kemp who was bigger and super quick off the dribble Power Forwards like Griffin Plus Dennis Rodman guarded all 5 positions so speed and strength is not the issue it's Pro player not knowing or remembering the history of the game speak during the podcast era sounding silly that's the issue we are dealing with today some of yall make it seem like you have an agenda or think all fans are just dumb enough to listen to yall without researching the facts. it's like I saw fast big Power Forwards in the 90s and 80s and I seen Rodman guard them all who are you tryinng to fool?
David West option is wrong. We know who the goat is. You don’t measure by weight but heart and tenacity!
If Giannis gets the exact rings as LeBron would you consider him the goat if Tattum gets more also is he the goat. So what is the criteria anymore is it longevity or the championship. Kobe played more games than Mj too has more rings than LeBron. Why wasn't he considered. How do you pass Kobe and put LeBron because one invested money on his fitness and plays longer getting L's each finals and getting swept with a team that had only one All star okay that makes him the goat.
When debating the goat.. all the team and popularity awards should not play into the calculation. jordan maybe 6-0 in the finals but he never got past the first round playoffs without pipen.. lebron has won on multiple terrible teams.. kind of hard to allow final losses count against him.,.. id just compare the actual basketball stats and let them speak for themselves....
Scottie Pippen wasn't the best scorer, he only averaged 16.1 points per game. It was MJ who was putting up 40, 45, 50 points.
lol the debt has been over a long time ago. Jordan is the goat sorry lebron fans. Just because you been in the league longer doesn't prove shit lol lebron has failed the test a long time ago. Its simple math.....
The ongoing debate about Lesteroid's status as the greatest of all time (GOAT) is tiring and unfounded. While Lesteroid is a talented player, he is far from being the undisputed GOAT. How can someone claim to be the GOAT when their finals record is 4-6 and they have a history of forming superteams by hopping between organizations?
None of those players back in day stopping no one in today's game. Be fr!
All wrong about weight. What's West talking about here
Nah....not rollin. MJ is the greatest, period.
MJ best prime, LeBron best career.
Factual statement
Prime LeBron was 2013, 27 8 7 on 56% FG 41% 3p defensive juggernaut playing 1 through 5. I'd say it's arguable.
I think it might be the other way around
mj never beat any dynasties tho 😂 context everything . played lesser tier talent and teams than bron facts . 07’ 14’ spurs 15’ 17’ 18’ warriors better than any team jordan won a ring against 😂
Bulls without MJ= 53 win team
Bulls with MJ= 57 win team
Cavs with Bron 50+ win team
Cavs without Bron= 19 win team
old head and 80-90`s fan says LeBron wont survive that physicality,, they dont know that lebron just know how to adapt and adjust,, he went from 2000`s playstyle to 2020`s 3 different era, if he played 80`s hed go physical as well since its the style that time,, 290lbs 6`9 and sprint as fast as PG,, you dont know how much force that can create if you dare to block that in another end,, prolly shaq and ben can take the impact.
Rodman guarded PRIME Shaq. There is footage of these feats. Rodman guarded PRIME MVP Karl Malone for at least one NBA Finals series. Let’s not act like Worm couldn’t have handled himself against today’s players.
6-0 in the finals
Team stat
How many times did Jordan get eliminated in the playoffs or get swept , or not even make the playoffs ?
Against mortals
You do know basketball is a team sport? He didn’t win those on his own. Kenton is the goat
Without winning anymore rings how could he get that respect played twenty years with four rings lol 😆 js tho
6 and 0 is better than 4 and 6 mj will always hold that title lebum played 21 seasons and still haven't came close so stop it with the delusion
There's a lot of cry babies in these comments! He told no lies. LeBron is the GOAT!
mj never beat any dynasties tho 😂 context everything . played lesser tier talent and teams than bron facts . 07’ 14’ spurs 15’ 17’ 18’ warriors better than any team jordan won a ring against 😂 beat a old lakers without kareem . no team he beat won when he retired
MJ was the dynasty
@@dperkins01 never won in the 80s , never won without pippen . no team he beat won when he retired , mid teams
@@toerawyeaThat’s a horrible argument to make regarding Jordan, that he never beat any dynasties. He never lost when he got there either, and once he got there, he prevented more Hall of Famers from winning than anyone else.
@@Tpro3001 typical jordan fan move the goal post and make excuses
@@toerawyea How? Jordan never beat dynasties, sure, because he never allowed them to form.. The Barkley-Drexler-Olajuwon Rockets got beat by the Jazz, who the Bulls beat.
The Orlando Magic with Shaq and Penny had just made the Finals and Conference Finals, and looked to be setting up for a dynastic run. Jordan swept them and broke them up..
The only Dynasty was the Bulls, and NOBODY beat that dynasty..
🤔Come On, Steph Curry Is Doing It, Most Guards Are Bigger Than Curry!!!…🤔Besides We’ve Seen Kobe Bryant Handle Lebron With Finesse, Skills And Brains Many Time And Afterwards Pat Lebron On The Butt!!!…
How many rings this man got ?
2 rings as role player for golden state guarding lebron with andre iguodala another all of famer 😊
How deep was golden state?
All those who played and beaten bron also give him respect cause they knew couldn't beat him in prior teams like Indiana or thunder if we talk about durant just shooting the lights out vs serbia coming from an injury🎉🎉
@@calogerocassaro4092 daaaamn he did play for golden state I forgot bout that 🤦🏾♂️ that confirm my point tho 😂
Everybody in the comments talking bout d west speaking facts and this whole convo he spoke about how much mfr’s weighed lmao….talking bout “how do u stop that” ask the 17 years worth of teams that did it…..it ain’t the size of the dog in the fight it’s the size of the fight in the the damn dog….
Why do they talk about this same tired Crap everyday😮. Ain't No 1 man's opinion gonna make everybody say LeBron is Better than Michael. If you like LeBron great but Michael is the Icon and this Argument is tired as Hell 🥱 ... LeBron has Longevity but Better than Mike 😵💫? Just like who you like 👊🏾
Jordan fans mad as shit😅😅😅
Because of the opinion of a role player that the closest he'll ever get to the hall-of-fame is when he drives through Springfield, MA? You're as bright as Ryan Leaf on 4th down and inner-city blocks. Barkley, McHale, Rodman, Webber are much superior power-forwards and hall-of-famers and they all view Black Jesus as the GOAT. The greatest Pacers player all-time and hall-of-famer (Reggie Miller) also views His Airness as the GOAT. We ain't mad. We're laughing like Carrie White's mom told her they would at her prom.
They are allowed to travel the Ball now that’s not evaluation and Bron never gets fouls called on him as much yet he runs into people grabs arms 😂😂 do ya’ll watch film he is good but overrated.
You deal with a 270 pound big with speed and skill MJ dominated guys bigger than him many times use a better logic
How do you get around that skill nobody’s playing the same game that they were doing those times then what they doing now now they have the big man around the key and at the three-point line back then all the big men was at the backboard in the middle the way that they plan the game now Cotton candy soft it doesn’t matter. LeBron is too big with no handle Mike with the dominated him every time down the floor. You gotta look at these guys skill set. They not touch they not being looked at and they definitely not playing defense. Show me one player the LeBron play defense on noneis getting so commercial that they got cameras for someone touching another player instant replay I don’t even wanna look at the game anymore
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Bruh draymond has more career 3s then Jordan lebron had to play in the 3 era Jordan did not
This take was dumb a f 😂😂
Has he left yet?
Also don't forget why Lebron started using flops. He is so strong nobody woukd believe he is being charged at if he don't flop.
Bron will NEVER 🚫❌ catch up to KOBE........dont mention MJ ......6-0....in finals.. understand UNDEFEATED?
That’s what people don’t talk about. He’s not even better than Kobe. Certainly not Jordan
Lmao 😂y’all be smoking 😂
@@Jay-zx4bm and you snortin powder
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Hilarious. Nice try
Lebron couldnt deal with a Michael Beasley ... if you notice all role players say Lebron mosr of the superstars past and presenr day MJ west was a role player
Wtf? Bruh Michael Beasley said Lebron is the greatest player of all time.
@CatoProduction of course he would say that so ehen he beats his ass all the time he can say he beat the phony GOAT... use your brain.. dummy
D-West spitting straight facts about this false narrative about the early 90's ball. None of those guys could do anything with LeBron. The Fans Boys want to make those days more than what they were. They didn't have such a freak of nature to deal with like LeBron back then. I watched the games back from the 80's up.
well remember karl malone and charles oakley both have 6 fouls to use... after an elbow smash to the face and head.. thats 2 fouls each... REMEMBER THEY HAVE 6 EACH TO USE ANYTIME THEY WANT...
@johnnythekid4601 Malone and Barkley were never known for being good defenders. LeBron was Malones height, size and strength but could dribble like a guard and was as fast as one. Not to mention that he could leap out of the gym. You will never see another player like him. One of one....
@@MrCrossdatracksMJ dgaf he's a billionaire in you broke