😂😂😂💀 I couldn’t make it through that. This man said there strategy against Lebron was to leave a nba player open 😂😂😂. You talking about the same Lebron who’s arguably the best all time at finding the open man and with a great pass. I can’t 🤦🏾♂️ Then this man said they left Damon Jones the same Damon Jones that can only hit the OPEN THREE😂 You right about one thing mj ain’t never played against competition that trash. Going into the game thinking you can’t win with the worst game plan of all time lmaaaooo. I’m done
@@desomusicinc I love how we act like mid 80s and early 90s ball was the best thing smoking...smh...Jordan's own team was coming in out of shape, so that let's you know the state of "competition" the league had. It's a reason NBA was needing to raise it's profile.
Him breaking this down don't make him right about it. Greatest of this era Lebron can have all day, he earned that. But it's impossible to have a "goat" because the style & rules of the game keeps changing. The greatest of the era is the best we can hope to get that actually makes sense!💯💯💯
Only reason why he’s not is because he talks about the actual game and that’s not appealing to the masses...all ESPN and Fox analysts either don’t know what their talking about or they dumb themselves down for the casuals
@@imkotable lol gilbert can get a little crazy sometimes with the physics and athleticism. I bet if Larry bird came in as a 19 year old euro player in the nba today. Then gilbert would say the same. Also about jerry west and other players not as physically impressive guys even tho guys like bird and luka are 6 8, 6 9, 6 10. But yes that was quite the bad take.
@@mj23goat3Out of those 6 losses only one of them was actually his fault. Rest can be chalked up to barely no help exempt 2016 even though besides Kyrie, only Tristian Thompson was scoring double digits. Was the only one showing up against the Spurs on the cavs, and him and Wade were the only ones stepping up when they won a ring. Stop it.
@@ihatecrowbars3572Oops. I actually misspoke. It's TEN times and lost six of them. And when you're supposedly the GOAT, it's ALWAYS your fault that your team lost. Which is why he AIN'T the GOAT.
The bulls is the best team of all time that don't Jordan is the best player lmfao championships are TEAM STATS You don't wanna talk about Points Ast Blocks Steals He kill mj in every category thats for players@@mj23goat3
Gil is my coach and this is exactly how he teaches and tells us at practice, even something as small as a hedge or layup we need something else to make it perfect...it pretty dope
These arguments against Jordan don’t add up. Arenas only played against 40 year old Wizards Jordan with a severed finger and bad knees. Different eras so can’t compare. He acts like Jordan only knew how to score. Gimme a break! Jordan has ten times more sensational big moments in the playoffs. The public and even NBA players today pick Jordan and it isn’t even remotely close. Yeah, Arenas is a smart guy,huh? So smart he brought guns to the locker room to put heat on another player. Downright stupid!
@@baylenjessup4719 he was a mutiple first roud exist in the playoffs they do add up u will bring him bringing guns into the arguement? yall mj fans will do anything stfu and look at the stats :)
Lebron knowledge of the game in a critical situation is surreal, he demand his own coach to make adjustment during the game and in most cases they end up winning the game due to his input
Dude makes good points but Jordan will always be the GOAT. If you haven't watched Jordan's career you will never ever understand why people call Jordan GOAT. Jordan dominated the NBA when he played. They changed the rules because of him. People who watch lebron will always feel he's the GOAT and i understand why because that's all they know. Its nothing Lebron has done or continue to do that impresses people who watched Jordan's career for the fact we can actually compare them. We got a chance to watch both of their careers. There is no comparison. They are two different players. Lebron is the best of this generation and he should be. Look at how weak the Nba is now compared to when Jordan played. Its sad. Jordan greatness is on a completely different level. Jordan had no weakness in his game. Its disrespectful to compare anyone to him. Jordan will forever be the True GOAT. Accept it.
@@BallSoHard78 the NEW era NBA aint weak, they play the game the RIGHT WAY .. the OLD ERA brought that "playing on concrete, in the park" slug fest, disrespectful type BS .. which is exactly why the NBA rules in "this era" changed for the better ... out with the "old" in with the NEW you oldheads got grandchildren 😂 go sit down, YOU had your turn
I was a huge Wizards fan when they had the Big Three (Arenas, Jameson, Butler). So naturally I was a LeBron hater. But seeing him single handedly whoop my team then the Pistons the way he did made me appreciate his greatness. I think he was only 22 at that time
He “single handedly” whooped “your team” with no Arenas/Butler that year, and then an old Pistons team with no Ben Wallace/coach Brown. Have a feeling you weren’t born yet or were too young to remember.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx I was high school so I remember enough. He still whooped those teams so why make excuses? You just proved that you're older than me and still a LeBron hater 😅😅😅 I thought hating celebrities was something only teens do. Looks like you still got some maturing to do 🤷🏽♂️
@@CitizenoftheWorld1 ehh seems like you don’t, a Wizards “fan” who doesn’t even bring up no Arenas/Butler in that series. Hilarious. I just find it odd how LBJ fans are quick to bring up injuries when he loses to certain teams to excuse his losses but we can’t do the same against him? Also, how is me telling exactly what happened hating? Just say you’re a Bron groupie pretending to be a Wizards fan & that my comment offended you bc you’re that much of a Bron fan.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx Wow very insightful.....All I said was he's a great player so that automatically makes me a LeBron groupie and a fake Wizards fan 🤦🏽♂️ Just admit you're a hater, ok boomer? I don't even think he's the GOAT, so you're wasting your time with me 👋
@@CitizenoftheWorld1 oh look the victim card...and all I said was that the Wizards were missing Arenas/Butler two very key important players. Just keeping it fair is all. LBJ fans love to point out injuries he had with teammates when he loses but we can’t do it for other teams he beat? I called you a Bron groupie bc of how defensive you got for him and how little you cared for your teams injuries. I call it how I see it but whatever, I’m done here •shrugs•
I'm a Lebron fan, I may not agree that LBJ is the best ever but I do enjoy hearing bron's opponents or teammates talk about him. It feels more credible because they stepped on the floor with him, it's not an unbiased opinion because it's really a real story or experience. I'm excited about how would the documentaries be after he retired.
I’m not even that big of a lebron fan and I cannot wait for them to make a documentary about him once he retires. Man deserves his own last dance documentary.
@@carlosa9467 It won’t matter what lebron does he’s hated and MJ is loved. Lebron can 3peat win 3 more mvps and finals mvps, and he’ll still be ranked below jordan by most people
He is number 1 if you disregard your childhood heroic moments, and the brand Jordan. From a basketball player stand point that plays all 5 positions, yes LeBron is more versatile and skilled overall than Jordan.
Skip Bayless always says when a player praises Lebron they have beef with Jordan. Well what about Gilbert? He lost to Lebron and they aren’t best friends for what I know so what can Skip use for this? Lol nothing 😂
@@coldwolf7014 I know he spit nothing but facts, most other players, *PAUL PIERCE ESPECIALLY,* would’ve just hated on him without acknowledging how great he is
It's fascinating to hear another professional break things down. I've always thought Lebron has the most raw physical talent of those three contenders, and I can't imagine having to be in front of that freight train of a man night in, night out. While we are Monday morning quarterbacking, I also thought his jump shot mechanic looked a little off, which might hinder him in the long run. Sure, he can still score prodigiously, but compared to MJ and KB's silky smooth motion, I thought it was lacking. But on the whole, it sure looks like Lebron is emerging as a true GOAT possibility.
If you also look at the positions he plays...he can play PG, SF, PF, SG and this season for the first time he played C. He is a multi skilled player who can switch when it is necessary unlike Kobe or MJ who played shooting guard and defense for most of their careers. Meanwhile, Lebron also plays defense. You can't be the greatest civil engineer for doing bridges only while another civil engineer has done bridges, water structures, hotels etc...if that makes sense Gilbert made a good point about scoring. Lebron could score 60 and still lose a game. That's why lakers stopped making playoffs even though Kobe was scoring many points until his retirement. It takes a TEAM effort because it's 5 players. You need others to contribute. MJ was successful because Pippen, Rodman were consistent too
We’ll find out few years after he retires. I don’t know why but something is telling me not only he won’t be mentioned as the greatest, but he wouldn’t be mentioned at all. Like Kobe Bryant before his death. And I’m pretty sure on the platform they will have another kid aiming at Jordan and replacing him.
@@edobwoy Lebron stop playing defense after 2014 and he was great defender for 2,3 years not more. Jordan was consistently great defender throughout his career with the Bulls.
The Goat never calling himself Goat idiot, everybody know that Jordan is Goat but Lebron is jst calling himself Goat but no one admit lol, this is the link th-cam.com/video/VDV2qe7uUMo/w-d-xo.html
@@Bungycb Everything u said is jst tell u r an idiot and jeolously, come on kid if u ask ur mom who is the greatest basketball player of all time the answer will always Jordan ok
Man he was probably right about Jordan on that Cavs team. Not like Mike can't make his teammates better, but like they need to want it too. And I don't think most of that team would like to improve much more while being at the bottom of the play-offs.
Intergalactic facts bron had bums whose names we would never never know outside of a 1 year zeke in Cleveland. Jay leave bj armstrong is an all star pip 3 conference appearances. Cleveland players 0
Arenas is a smart, independent thinker. I always though the same about the Lebron vs. Jordan argument. Jordan had an early Lebron Cavs team in the 80s and he went out in the first round. I wish the Lakers would bring him in as an assistant coach.
Apparently, when you're being guarded by 4 players and you pass to one of the best 3-point shooters in the league completely open at one of the most efficient spots on the floor, it's debatable whether or not it was the right play to make? Seriously, that is one of the most indicting moments in Bron's career to prove how much bias there is against the dude. Three members of the opposing team are right there; Crowder stepped in the way, and a fifth is in the paint - the entire opposing team is within a few feet of him to make sure he doesn't score, and he finds a Finals record scoring 3-point shooter so open he could take a nap before shooting, and there is still criticism?
It was the right play. It was the highest probability play. Most importantly, it was the sort of play that is the Lebron way. I am glad that he doesn't try to be like Jordan or Kobe. He is LeBron and the choices that he makes on court are the reason why he is so special.
There’s no hate. The Lebron system is great. But Magic was a tad better at running it. 5 out of 11 years is better. They both need killers to the left and right. It’s a good enough system. But there’s another system proven in Chicago and LA but that takes a different type of cat.
@@StraightLEFTfromPAC But that's a reasonless argument here. The original point was that LeBron made the absolute right play. Any pass to Kerr or Grant by MJ, if missed, would be a blemish to any commoner idiot fan. Bron made the correct call with more defenders on him than any player ever sees, and that's a fact.
@@Banned4Life Never said it was the wrong play. His success rate doing this is ok. But don’t say he’s a killer, ‘consistently’ takes over games when it’s close, never shrinks under big lights, on the line. Don’t say that tho. He’s really good, with a really good system. That’s it. For ex. over 50% of Federer’s majors came under close quarters. He pulled through. Great players don’t fold or rarely do. James has pulled through ok and enough with the pass first mentality. They were ok. I ain’t gonna hype higher than what it really was.
@@louburgunde9719 Genius is not confined to one point of view. Picasso can be a genius and paint COMPLETELY different than the genius that is Rembrandt. Just because some basketball geniuses have different points of view doesn't mean Arenas is not a genius.
The sad part about this that Arenas didn't diss MJ or Kobe. He just simply sad that LBJ is always playing with his teammates in mind. Whereas MJ & Kobe would just shoot. Even in the days of the Bulls being great, Pippen ran the team and MJ was just great. Ask all the Bulls teammates and they will tell you that it was Pippen that made them work well.
Crazy bse when Jordan left Pippen had one good season and the next year he quit on the team bse he wasn’t wasn’t chosen for the last shot but kukoc was and nailed it. Pippen had the team out of playoffs and Jordan came bck and lead them to the playoffs but lost to magic.
I've always given Lebron his proper respect. I think MJ is the greatest but I believe Lebron will get more respect after he's done playing. However, this notion that MJ played on this bomb squad, all stars everywhere, Pippen ran the team, etc and then on the other hand Lebron carries everyone, it's all him. It's nonsense. Lebron has always had help and alot of it at that.
Fairly stupid take, given Jordan still averaged 5.3 assists per game. Sure, Jordan shot more at 22.9 attempts per game vs. 19.7, but that's only because LeBron can't shoot.
@@Xenon-h9z You know assists are last passes right? And don't show the reality of what happens on the court? Watch the games please don't be a box score watcher.
@@Xenon-h9z Not to mention that MJ (and Kobe) were _shooting_ guards. Their entire job is to SHOOT. By the way, Money is 3rd all-time in assists per game among pure SGs.
For a long time I thought that MJ is the G.O.A.T. but after witnessing LeBron James and seeing what this man has done throughout his long career, it’s undeniable he’s the greatest basketball player of all time. His mind, his vision, combined with his superior athletic ability, rarely if ever gets injured, leads teams not with an iron fist, but with inclusion and a sense of community, pass first attitude instead of shooting a 29th shot after going 4-28 from the field, can adapt to any play style, guard 1 though 5, never a coach killer, humble student of the game, constantly improving to maintain longevity, the list of feats are endless with this guy.
We look at a GOAT by how good they were in their prime, almost prime position, offence/defence and scoring. Longevity and injury does not affect GOAT status, especially since leBron is spending millions on health and longevity meanwhile MJ was stuck in a time of cigars and drugs, he’d even smoke a cigar before every game. MJ only needed one play style, and that style got him GOAT status, and “humble student”? What has this got to do with how good a player is, MJ was cocky and had a big ego because he was insanely good. LeBrons efforts outside the court have nothing to do with his skill. MJ is the GOAT and undeniably better at basketball.
Sorry forgot to mention as well, I don’t think you’ve seen enough of MJ playing because something both Lebron people and MJ people agree upon is that MJ is more athletic, it’s just fact. Not many people come close to Jordan’s athleticism.
@@l1ll4rd48 You clearly have a lot to learn about basketball and are undeniably influenced by mainstream sports channels. You speak of “we” as if you’re the entire world. You’re not. You’re just one man/woman. That being said, there’s obviously more to basketball than scoring. MJ was elite at scoring, there’s no denying that. But if you’ve ever played the game, then you remember the most joyous thing to play next to is an elite scorer and especially an elite passer. Conversely, if you play next to somebody who doesn’t pass (and there were countless moments where MJ refused to pass, I’ve seen the good, bad and ugly passing games of MJ), you’d tell him to stop hogging the ball! Prime is nothing, absolutely nothing compared to longevity. If a GM wants to build his team, why would he care about about a player’s prime or peak? He wants sustained excellence. If a company has a choice between hiring somebody with a prime or somebody who can give you years and years of excellent work and most of all availability, you’d know who’d they choose. Be honest with yourself. About the health thing, it’s astonishing to see how in-objective you are when you praise MJ’s habits of cigars and drugs and indict LeBron for taking care of his body, you know, the number one thing teammates/players/coaches ask you to do as part of your job. Being humble has got EVERYTHING to do in being good in LIFE let alone basketball. Having ego in any situation, especially in basketball is never appreciated. When it comes to skill, sure MJ has a better offensive package. Beautiful highlights. But that’s where it stops. Passing, chase-down blocks, defending all 5 positions (you’ve seen LeBron front the post and neutralize bigs in their prime), communicating, getting teammates involved. All skills LeBron possessed that are way superior than MJ’s footwork. There’s so much to teach you, but I’ll leave it with these couple of jewels. Look, it’s been a nice run for MJ, and he was phenomenal, but people are slowly waking up to the obvious fact that the bigger, faster, stronger, healthier, more unselfish and smarter LeBron James is the greatest basketball player of all time 👑
The issue is that even if you call LeBron the goat, you'd have to consider Jordan as some legendary mythical figure beyond basketball. Jordan was an international icon during the 90s and made basketball
Jordan came at the perfect time era wise to get a ton of worldwide exposure like no superstar had before in the NBA and also benefitted from an incredible marketing campaign from Nike, again the first of its kind. If LeBron had played in that era and been in MJ’s shoes, I think he would’ve been similarly popular. I know what you mean though, I think Jordan is still the most well known player internationally, but it’s because of his play. A legendary mythical figure outside of their sport to me is someone like Ali or something and Jordan as a figure outside of basketball wasn’t quite as transcendent as that IMO 🤔
@xo 4u Well I wouldn’t say a handful, the only player I can think of is Kevin Durant, arguably the most unstoppable scorer to ever play the game. Other than that, the game has changed too much to where it doesn’t make sense to compare anymore.
@@ingemarsmith4154 jordan never lost the finals not once is that not what a goat would do? Never lose when it really counts. You can’t use Lebron constantly going to the finals win or lose as a great accomplishment but overlook Jordan also going 6 times and never losing even 1. How is that not what a goat is never losing the big game?
These takes are stupid all im going to say lebron is a second but not close to jordan im not javing a whole day conversation just read this if you see and to answer back ok because i have days and days of arguments all im saying
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so is Gilbert Arenas. Now, you can't be the goat with 6 losses in the finals!!! But for Gilbert, Lebron is the goat just by making his teammates better? Yet those teammates failed you 6 times. Gilbert really has the best Breakdown of the GOAT argument. Wooow!
@@gallusuniverse805 I try the tell people the main reasonl why Lebron can’t be the goat because he has a losing record on the biggest stage Also it’s completely false that Kobe and Mike wouldn’t make it to the playoffs with the cavs roster when they did it with teams that was just a bad if not worse than what he had.
Same. He just isn't the same type of player. He is a team first kinda of guy. Jordan is a win first kinda of guy. Lebron tries to elevate bad to average players. Jordan didn't waste his time with that and won 6. Kobe didn't waste his time with that and won 5. Lebron won 4. Maybe if he wins five you could reconsider the arguement but at this point it's guetting too late in his career.
@@razgaros Michael Jordan did make thoae around him better. However, Lebron does not have that winning mentality that Kobe or MJ had. All these flops and walking out of games early are things that keep lebron from reaching MJ. MJ wanted to win at all costs, Lebron gives up when things are bad.
@@chrisvu7260 He could be the GOAT but, he is running out of time and he is ruinning his legacy. If he keeps leaving games early and being a man child, then he will be remembered for that only.
@@MrAlvarez23 6 finals and 6 rings on the same team and 6 times defensive player I thinks that's consider an goat 🐐. Never lost in the finals . So stop it
Jordan vs Lebron, I'd rather have LeBron as the franchise centerpiece but acknowledge that strong arguments can made for both. LeBron vs Kobe isn't a real debate. LeBron is a much better player (bigger, stronger, more efficient, better decision making, can do more with less etc.). Kobe was undeniably great but at a tier below GOAT consideration.
Gil was spot on about the Cleveland team. We seen it with Kobe in 05-06 he just dropped 40 and first round exit. Mj before Phil was just first round exit.
My biggest thing about Arenas and all these lebron the goat fans fail to realize conference play. Its like Bron gets participation points as the goat for just making the finals. If everyone just took 5 to 10 mins to do some research of nba basketball after Jordan left Chicago the west actually won all but 5 of the first 20 nba finals, so what exactly does that say about the eastern conference. In fact it was so lopsided that in my eyes the final was between the lakers and spurs, lakers, dallas or GSW from 2000 to 2019 for the most part. We all expected that Cleveland team to be there in the end and to get smashed by one of those four teams. Also the proof in my argument is exactly why the allstar game format change when the west had 8 of the top 10 players in the league or so most seasons. The commissioner got tired of west winning the game 164 to 125 or so. Also the reason why they considered changing the nba playoffs format a few years ago because it wasn't fair for the #8 seed in the east to be 30 and 52 meanwhile #8 in the west was 44 and 28 or so. My point is lebron and those Cleveland teams wouldn't sniffed the finals in the west until he had Kyrie and Love and that possibly would've only happened one season or so
@@jamessims9298 okay but lebron don’t get discredit for making it to 8 straight finals. no matter how you want to look at it that is impressive. Also content matters. In the early 2000s lakers and spurs were the two super teams in that era. Then there were finals where the eastern teams were as good as the western teams. Packers vs lakers, spurs vs pistons, lakers vs Celtics, mavericks vs heat, warriors vs cavs first time were all Evenly matched teams. And you contradicted yourself by saying we all knew cavs will be in the finals yet saying it was spurs or lakers in the west in the finals. Both conference was dominated by a dynastic team. When warriors was winning it was always gonna be them in the finals. From 2000-2010 it was lakers or spurs coming out the west, from 2011-2013 was the only year the west was open. From 2015-2019 it was warriors easily. What made lebron run impressive is he held his dynastic run for 8 years
@@jamessims9298 What are you saying right now. You're talking out the side of your mouth. If you're going to try and diminish LeBron's success at least use facts. You are saying that LeBron wouldnt have made the playoffs most of the years if his team had the record they had but in the Western Conference, which isn't true at all. There is only one season the Cavs would not6 have made the Playoffs if that was the case and that was in 2008 when they were 45-37 which isn't bad and the West's 8th seed was 50-32. Just admit you're a hater because that's so sad that you would even put that out there to make what he's done less impressive.
Masterful break down of the 🐐. Most people don't even see it like that. Not to mention how he's know's dang near every set a team is going to do. Others watch the game and are reactionary, no my G this is planned.
Though I am 100% a Jordan as the GOAT advocate, I don't think that I have ever heard a more cogent argument for Lebron as the GOAT. He's still wrong, but I have more respect for the argument after watching this 😄
@@dru400 Kobe is great but he isn’t on the same level as Jordan or Lebron. His play style was like Jordan and he was certainly more skilled than MJ but he lacked the 48 inch vert and wasn’t nearly the shooter that MJ was.
The sad part Gilbert was a killer like kobe & mj but he knows that style of playing tho it's exciting to watch it doesn't equate to wins with any roster & it is what it is its seems anyone who clearly puts mj or kobe over bron has to be looking at the game from a 1on1 standpoint but basketball is a team sport & bron gets the most out average teammates
What JR Smith numbers before and after playing with Bron? What Kevin Love numbers before and after playing with Bron? What AD numbers before and after playing with Bron?
@@qwerty-rv4ty Lol stupid argument. How many rings Scottie had before and after playing with MJ? How many rings Gasol had before and after playing with Kobe? So based on your perspective, Kobe and MJ make their teammates better. Lol.
@@jeffcook2570 in his career, Larry had Kevin McHale and Robert Parish (equivalent to having Tim Duncan and Karl Anthony Towns), Dennis Johnson (equivalent to having Drew Holiday/Lou Williams), Danny Ainge (equivalent to having Gordan Drajic), Nate "Tiny" Archibald (equivalent to having 5'9 Isaiah Thomas at his best), Reggie Lewis (equivalent to having PG-13), Bill Walton (equivalent to having Pau Gasol), and as head coach and GM he had K.C. Jones (equivalent to Doc Rivers), and Red Aurebach (equivalent to Pat Riley). Now ask yourself what would LeBron have done with that caliber of support?
@@jeffcook2570 players respect Magic and Larry not only because of their greatness, but also because they made the NBA a part of popular culture, so I know Larry Bird's value. However, MJ, LeBron (Kareem and Wilt to lesser degree) are the reputable names in the GOAT conversation. (Give Bird LeBron's Cavs teams and they're not even contenders...give Bron Bird's Celtics teams and they're still winning). Edit: I've NEVER heard any credible basketball mind ever consider Larry Bird the GOAT
Gilbert Arenas always striked me as an intelligent guy. I like the way he expressed his perspective here. I still say it's Jordan all day but it's imperative to listen him here.
@@jessepetite2468 that’s your opinion but Arenas gave solid and objective points here with no bias. not some ESPN opinionated responses. my heart will say MJ but that’s my heart and there’s obvious bis, Arenas is using his brain here which is impressive considering he grew up with Jordan and it’s easy to be blinded by nostalgia but props to him for putting his biases aside and actually making an objective analysis. he actually got me thinkin twice here
@@ethantampus6021 different people have different perspective about the greatness. MJ has the most impact on basketball culture. Almost Everybody knows MJ. He is more popular than anyone in the world. Greatness is not just about being good at sport but what impact does the person bring to the sport and people around the world. Looking back all these great people in history. Every one of them impacted our society or culture in different way. That’s called greatness. The goat. LBJ might be the goat in next 20 years when next generation know only about lbj and he would be bringing more influence to the generation but until then , no lbj is nowhere near MJ.
Pause at 1:25. TBH Brons NOT the goat cause if he was to go against Jordan's era theres another 6'10+ 240+ waiting for him to drive. Good example of this you see what Lebron did against the Mavs. All you need to do is strink the floor against him. Meanwhile jordan is getting whatever he wants becuz he could shoot.
Oh brother. LeBron coming to the rim full speed, no one in NBA history can stop that. Plus LeBron can shoot, you must never watched games of LeBron. LeBron shoots jump shots just about as much as he drives to the rim. Plus he can pass.
I am also considering it, but not quite ready, not quite sure, but this breakdown is great and again shows how incredible LeBron is. Very different from the "best guy shoots" style of star player. However, there's no doubt in my mind that he is a better team guy, and that he can lead bad or mediocre teams the furthest, by believing so strongly in his team mates that they start believing in themselves and turn into value. And then again he can just do so so much, he has great versatility and obviously he's longevity!
@@markied2873 When people believe popular analysts' views without doing their own research then yes, you gotta breakdown your own point for it to be even heard. A well thought out and explained breakdown is better than a casual saying 6-0 vs 4-6 with no context
@@maxwiththeimpressions9217 you made a very crucial point and I want to reiterate on that when you said he trust and gets he's team mates involved and ultimately they have confidence in themselves and make the game easy for him I totally agree with that and that's the reason why most players become more productive when they play with Lebron and when they don't play with him anymore they don't seem to meet up the same standards after he's not playing with them anymore
@@brannybrannylo1706 Yea exactly, exactly.. Do you think he is the greatest basketball player of all time though, skill wise? I think he is a greater team mate than Jordan, a better team guy, but still don't know about player.
THE RING LEBRON WON WITH CAVS IT IS WORTHIEST RING EVER OVER ALL RINGS WON IN THIS SPORT ESPECIALLY 3 GAMES DOWN AGAINST GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS HE IS THE GOAT NO ARGUE AT ALL CAN DELETE THE TRUTH HE IS THE GOAT AND THE ALL TIME NBA SCORING KING .
@@kitwalters5949 And we supposed to take your opinion on Basketball over Somebody who played & studied the game & played at a high level give me what your smoking on 😂
Basically it comes down to Lebron being a small forward who’s asked to do everything VS Jordan and Kobe who are score first mentality players. Just because their main role was to score doesn’t mean they didn’t have high IQs too. Kobe proved later in his career that he could get triple doubles easily too if it’s asked of him and Jordan also had no problem making those extra passes at the end of games too
Good point Gilbert, Jordan is going to take that last shot every time...except for when he passes it to Paxson, Kerr, or Wennington so they can take the last shot. But other than that, great point from a brilliant basketball mind.
This is most detailed breakdown I have seen for a goat argument. Kareem is the goat but breakdowns like this I can respect, especially coming from an ex player
@@kaywill9677 Kareem has a better case than anybody and lbj has a better case than everyone else and bird,magic,and shaq has a better case than kobe...but can anyone tell me how can mj be the goat when he never beat bird and bird destroyed him everytime they played?Bird would be the goat fr
You don’t win 6 chips, 6 NBA finals MVPs, 5 MVPs, average 37, win DPOY and MVP in one year, also average 41 ppg in the 93 finals, hold the NBA record of 69 points in a playoff game, average 43 against the Larry Bird Celtics, win 10 scoring titles( more than Curry, Durant, harden, Kobe, Lebron, AI, TMAC etc), never lose 2 games in a row the first 3 peat, take two retirements come back and win, have 9 All Defensive NBAs, win the slam dunk , win 3 straight with only one other all star, and not be the GOAT nor Kobe or Lebron can say they did those things oh and guess what he did that in a 13 year span🤷🏾♂️ and no I’m not an old head I used to be be a Bron fanboy and I’m 22
Jordan won 6 titles cuz the Bulls had 2 top 5 players in an era that didn’t have super teams. The Spurs and Warriors are better than any team Jordan ever beat.
@@noahhanft7982 actually no. How is it easier to get for a guard?? You could argue the opposite. And no Jordan did not have a top 5 player every single year he won the chip Especially in 1998 when pippen was hurt all playoffs.
@@luminousrxk7288Okay but who was mj playing? Mj was cooking all of those guys cus they sucked. The only team lebron lost to he shouldnt have lost to is the mavs.
@@luminousrxk7288exactly, lebron went against real good players. you notice that MJ when he went against larry bird and magic in thier prime (80’s - 90’s) he never won a single championship. he only started winning when they was old and lebron went against kevin durant, curry, timduncan, allen iverson, kobe, kawai, and more.
I think both of them is affecting the game in a quite similar way. And its not all about skills, its actually the intangible and the drive to win the game in any way they possibly can. Best example of this attributes is Jimmy butler, as Jimmy is actually an inefficient player but somehow having him in the game affect the Heat's chances to win greatly.
Everything he is saying about MJ is all wrong lmao. Take Jordan off that second 3peat late 90’s teams. They would be a 40 win team. Literally. MJ was patient with those players and elevated them. He challenged them. He MADE them better. Especially that 97-98 team. He CARRIED that team to 62 wins. And when he passed to Kerr, there’s footage of him TELLING Kerr to hit the shot! Gilbert is dead wrong lol. MJ is the GOAT.
When he says Jordan would average 60 points a game and just let it go, if u watched the last dance, he was the one dragging his team to be better. He was yelling at his teammates in practice letting them know they messed up so they don't make that mistake again or Jordan was going to give it to them. Btw who gave the ball to steve kerr in 1997 game 6 NBA finals to win the game? I think it was jordan because he trustred his team.
Jordan fans keep forgetting the 80s existed... He was a high volume scorer but he couldn't even get out of the East... He had amazing stats but his team lost in the playoffs multiple times
LeBron has AD, Russell Westbrook, Carmelo, Dwight Howard, Ariza, Horton-Tucker, and finished 11th in the West, missing a playoff field of 10 TEAMS. Pathetic. Fake GOAT
Agent Zero (still one of my favorite players all time), brought out some good points that people don’t consider. Who is determined to be the goat depends on what PEOPLE think the greatest players should do (shoot last shot and things like that) instead of him just making the right decision for him and his team to win. LeBron is probably smarter than most head coaches in the NBA, or just as smart lol. Between him and Rondo lol. I love the way LeBron approaches the game!🤷🏾♂️
These arguments against Jordan don’t add up. Arenas only played against 40 year old Wizards Jordan with a severed finger and bad knees. Different eras so can’t compare. He acts like Jordan only knew how to score. Gimme a break! Jordan has ten times more sensational big moments in the playoffs. The public and even NBA players today pick Jordan and it isn’t even remotely close. Yeah, Arenas is a smart guy,huh? So smart he brought guns to the locker room to put heat on another player. Downright stupid!
@@baylenjessup4719 Using the guns thing as a diss against him talking basketball is a sign you don't have a big selection of arguments to go through. Basically you got nothing lol
It is bad as he assumes a lot about Jordan. Like Jordan was not focussed on getting the top score at all, he was focussed on winning the game as a team. That is how you win NBA titles, as a team. And Jordan won 6 as he was such a good team player.
And it would be as easy as this put MJ in LeBron's cavs and they won't even go to playoffs, put LeBron in MJ's bulls and they will still win championship. MJ retired and Bulls were still a playoff team, bron leave cavs and suddenly it was the worst team in the whole NBA from a finals team to the worst team. So meaning, it's all Bron in cavs and it's not all MJ in Bulls. And I'm a 65 year old guy and pretty sure that I know more than these 35 year old delusional kids in the comment section
Put Lebron on MJ bulls when the faced the Celtics in the first round he wouldn’t have made the playoffs. Just like he didn’t make the playoffs his first 2 years in the NBA.
I love how detailed Gilbert was and I respect his arguments. I agree that LeBron is absolutely phenomenal. However, I believe that the idea or Jordan not believing in his teammates is a myth... it is possible that he pushed his teammates too hard... also the idea of LeBron making the right pass is great but Jordan's passing to Kerr is simply jordan hoping he would make the shot... really? Both plays are genius.. Jordan was well aware that he would be doubled... the bench convo between Michael and Steve is well known... just my take
I think the difference is that Jordan liked taking that last shot and for the most part wanted for plays to be drawn for him in the clutch, except in certain scenarios. Whereas LBJ just wants the play with the best possible chance of success
have yous een last dance?? phil made it clear to MJ that he had to trust his teamates in order for them to win. So he did pas to paxon.... ker.... kukoc.... but at the start of MJ career he didnt trust his cocain teamates thats why he ave 30 every year.
@@FrostySnowman334 Contrary to popular belief, Jordan didn't force up shots against double and triple teams, he left that nonsense to Kobe. If Jordan had the 1v1, he took the shot. If he got doubled, he passed the ball.
What you smoking Gil….Jordan won 6 with only one other All-Star in Pippen…Lebron needed Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD just to win 4…clear difference in dominance
@@HowlingHashibi True but he wouldn’t have ran to get superstars. Jordan faced a Celtics team with like 5 hall of famers. He lost, sure. But he ain’t run away from the competition 🤷🏾♂️
@@m.ahmed.y1723 Hakeem Olajuwon alone is already more skilled and athletic than any other big man in the game today not arguably named Jokic. The plumber argument is played out
u only telling me he's a better team player....not the better overall player cuz if u compared offense....its dead even but if u included defense....MJ separate himself from everyone....no other player including bron has ever been the hands down best on both sides of the ball in the dame year....MJ did at 6'6 200 lbs💪🏾 Goat
Mj could only guard small guards , Pippen and Rodman took on the tougher challenges , LeBron if he wants is a better defender, we saw it in Miami and his early Cleveland days
@@zod548 true...6'8 270 will grant u ability to guard bigger but when he's matched on PF and C.....he gets cooked bra....check the tapes....he great vs SF and good vs SG but just decent vs pg....MJ was great vs pg and sg....decent vs sf and short pf....no contest vs C lol and MJ played D 60 minutes...bron only chooses to play D 50/60% of the time to conserve energy...thats why he fell short of the award and mj won it....and even at 40 mj was still playing 60 minutes of D....bron stopped playing d at like 31/32....u only see small samples of his d now...but he was a great one when he did give effort 💯
If you know messi from soccer he plays exactly like lebron, messi never takes low percentage shots when he can see someone better positioned, ronaldo is like jordan
Lebron may be the greatest all around bball player but Jordan has him beat in the most important categories. Lebron also pussied out on the dunk contest
He's such a great teammate, makes it impossible to guard him bc he makes all the right plays/decisions, and is a physical specimen. His style of basketball may be smarter but it's not better than Jordans. The championships, defense, and free throws in the clutch matter. Different eras.
@@seriustraco Gil played the game but he didn't mention the individual awards which are the most important if you compare anybody. LBJ has more all-star appearances and that's the only thing that he is ahead of MJ. Although LBJ looks like he is the most complete player ever but still it's ridiculous to compare them because his awards are not even close. :-)
@@666marchisio the saying that LeBron aleays makes the right decision in crunch time while Jordan always goes hero ball is quite stupid! I agree that Lebron has great decision making but Mike is still far better in crunch time! Nit to mention that i still think Jordan is the better defensive player and a better Shooter! Lebron has the better 3 point shot but he still isnt great on a consistent and efficient basis!
@@seriustraco He still only has his opinion. There's way more former players who say it's MJ. Does he know MJ never lost a play off series when he played a full season and he had one all star on his team (Scottie), and never lost 3 games in a row during those championship years.Goggle it. Name me a team that didn't lose 3straight, and a player that never lost a series (except when he came back from baseball) and only played with 1 all-star in the 1st 3peat
@Raymond Sims how many more games did he play? How many did he miss? Can you actually play defense post 2009 anymore? How many game winning shots has he hit in the Finals where it mattered? Clueless emoji shrug.
I see a lot of haters up in here. Why? This man grew up watching Jordan and played against Lebron. He’s free to have his opinion just like y’all do. And he explained his reasons in great detail. Not everyone is going to say Jordan and that’s ok, that’s what make this debate fun. Just appreciate greatness as it is and stop getting in your feelings because someone has a different opinion then you💯
@@davethompson8912 idk where u saw Kerr say this cuz I don't believe he said it. I'd bet money if we could!....& Gilbert is all 🧢 bruh. He's on a crusade to say the goats weren't in the 90's. He even says that Michael Jackson & Prince are "from the 90's" & he also says they aren't the goats. Y do ppl act like all the goats are from the 90's? Everything has evolved..this is what Gilbert is preaching. He full of it
Jordan’s competition was simply not as good as Lebron’s throughout his career. There’s a reason why Jordan never really started winning until the great teams of the 80’s started to decline. Also, Jordan’s win-loss record without Pippen was 154-170. The biggest reason Jordan’s competition level was so much weaker than Lebron’s has been throughout his career is because during the 90’s there were several expansion teams added which led to a watered down league and inflated win-loss records. Lebron has taken 3 different teams to the Finals. Also, name me one superstar player off that 2007 Cavs team without Googling it. Lebron was carrying teams to the Finals. Look at some of those defenses Jordan faced. Jordan never had to go up against dynasty teams in the Finals like those Spurs teams and Warriors teams. I have nothing but respect for Jordan’s accomplishments and he is without a doubt a top 2 all time player. However, I do think there is a strong argument for Lebron as the GOAT. Also, Lebron’s obviously destroys Jordan in terms of longevity with or without the college years. Also, Lebron never got in trouble for gambling and letdown his team (the real reason he “retired” for a little while).
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😂😂😂💀 I couldn’t make it through that. This man said there strategy against Lebron was to leave a nba player open 😂😂😂. You talking about the same Lebron who’s arguably the best all time at finding the open man and with a great pass. I can’t 🤦🏾♂️ Then this man said they left Damon Jones the same Damon Jones that can only hit the OPEN THREE😂 You right about one thing mj ain’t never played against competition that trash. Going into the game thinking you can’t win with the worst game plan of all time lmaaaooo. I’m done
@@desomusicinc I love how we act like mid 80s and early 90s ball was the best thing smoking...smh...Jordan's own team was coming in out of shape, so that let's you know the state of "competition" the league had. It's a reason NBA was needing to raise it's profile.
@@desomusicinc he's so delusional bru. MJ is emperor
This dude done loss his mind
Man Jordan did that his whole career...I can't believe he just said that
I want this man on undisputed and breaking this all down in front of skip and Shannon just sitting back nodding his head.
Nodding his head and sippin that milkshake or whatever ahah
Gilbert has already made his appearance on Club Shannon
(skip not invited)
Him breaking this down don't make him right about it. Greatest of this era Lebron can have all day, he earned that. But it's impossible to have a "goat" because the style & rules of the game keeps changing. The greatest of the era is the best we can hope to get that actually makes sense!💯💯💯
@@chiefdymondwolf6764
# LebrongoatofthisERA
@@OnewYork fasho!
I swear Gilbert arenas is the best analyser I’ve ever seen. So clear. So underrated. He needs his own channel on TV.
He has a podcast. And knowledge is shared
Fr hes an actual hooper, and actually knows the game instead of bringing stats up
Only reason why he’s not is because he talks about the actual game and that’s not appealing to the masses...all ESPN and Fox analysts either don’t know what their talking about or they dumb themselves down for the casuals
The same guy who said Luka was not gonna make it in the NBA? Yeah, super great "analyser".
@@imkotable lol gilbert can get a little crazy sometimes with the physics and athleticism. I bet if Larry bird came in as a 19 year old euro player in the nba today. Then gilbert would say the same. Also about jerry west and other players not as physically impressive guys even tho guys like bird and luka are 6 8, 6 9, 6 10. But yes that was quite the bad take.
Only Gil can explain his take on Lebron being the GOAT and the comment section isnt even that upset about it lol
I liked Arenas as a player, but he can only sell this garbage to fans of The Choke.
@@wv8071 And you guys only follow other haters, Keep kissing Jordan
@@oof3479 Ladies and Gentlemen.....I give you "THE GOAT" Michael Air Jordan!
@@wv8071 Yeah hes def top 5 but I have a diff opinion just as you and I respect just don’t hate on Bron for no reason
@@oof3479 I got every reason to have a lack of respect for your boy. His whole persona is fake.
You know your the 🐐 when you telling your opponents where they’re supposed to be for their own plays 🤣
You know you _ain't_ the GOAT when you've been to The Finals nine times and lost SIX of them.
@@mj23goat3Out of those 6 losses only one of them was actually his fault. Rest can be chalked up to barely no help exempt 2016 even though besides Kyrie, only Tristian Thompson was scoring double digits. Was the only one showing up against the Spurs on the cavs, and him and Wade were the only ones stepping up when they won a ring. Stop it.
@@ihatecrowbars3572Oops. I actually misspoke. It's TEN times and lost six of them. And when you're supposedly the GOAT, it's ALWAYS your fault that your team lost. Which is why he AIN'T the GOAT.
The bulls is the best team of all time that don't Jordan is the best player lmfao championships are TEAM STATS You don't wanna talk about Points Ast Blocks Steals He kill mj in every category thats for players@@mj23goat3
@@ihatecrowbars3572don’t try to convince him, he probably can’t comprehend what you are saying 😂
This was such a deep and specific topic about brons game. It’s crazy
He even asked to be an intern assistant coach for the Lakers. Free of charge 😂
I hope he gets it. He's going to be a great coach
literally said nothing new for us watching LBJ since highschool
@Michael Jordan 😂 jordan ain't making those cavs teams better than lebron that's pure cap
@Michael Jordan mj quit on his team, the league and the fans twice...
Gil is my coach and this is exactly how he teaches and tells us at practice, even something as small as a hedge or layup we need something else to make it perfect...it pretty dope
U lucky to have Gil as a coach, mans is gifted
Your coach brother i thought u were a rapper
Was your name?
@@jlove1945 😂😂😂😂
Condolences on your career. I think we both know you're not pro.
Even though I disagree with Gil, I love how he broke down his reasoning for his decision. Very well detailed.
Yup he Gives the best analysis based off of fact context and situations and not bias emotional childhood memories
True I really like hearing him talk about the game of basketball he really know his stuff. He hit it right on the head with Lebron being the goat
These arguments against Jordan don’t add up. Arenas only played against 40 year old Wizards Jordan with a severed finger and bad knees. Different eras so can’t compare. He acts like Jordan only knew how to score. Gimme a break! Jordan has ten times more sensational big moments in the playoffs. The public and even NBA players today pick Jordan and it isn’t even remotely close. Yeah, Arenas is a smart guy,huh? So smart he brought guns to the locker room to put heat on another player. Downright stupid!
@@baylenjessup4719 he was a mutiple first roud exist in the playoffs they do add up u will bring him bringing guns into the arguement? yall mj fans will do anything stfu and look at the stats :)
@@baylenjessup4719 oh you big mad😂😂😂
Lebron knowledge of the game in a critical situation is surreal, he demand his own coach to make adjustment during the game and in most cases they end up winning the game due to his input
NBA Finals are critical. he doesn’t even show up bro. Your Clownin
“Soon as i get on the court im chuckin” 😭😭😭
"i think that we were spoiled by jordan". i think so too. i was so blinded in the idea of killer mentality.
👍 blinded by that street ball mentality of yesterYEAR, which has no place in "this era" of NBA
Killer mentality is many faucets of the game. # jordanfan
Dude makes good points but Jordan will always be the GOAT. If you haven't watched Jordan's career you will never ever understand why people call Jordan GOAT. Jordan dominated the NBA when he played. They changed the rules because of him. People who watch lebron will always feel he's the GOAT and i understand why because that's all they know. Its nothing Lebron has done or continue to do that impresses people who watched Jordan's career for the fact we can actually compare them. We got a chance to watch both of their careers. There is no comparison. They are two different players. Lebron is the best of this generation and he should be. Look at how weak the Nba is now compared to when Jordan played. Its sad. Jordan greatness is on a completely different level. Jordan had no weakness in his game. Its disrespectful to compare anyone to him. Jordan will forever be the True GOAT. Accept it.
@@BallSoHard78
the NEW era NBA aint weak, they play the game the RIGHT WAY ..
the OLD ERA brought that "playing on concrete, in the park" slug fest, disrespectful type BS ..
which is exactly why the NBA rules in "this era" changed for the better ...
out with the "old"
in with the NEW
you oldheads got grandchildren 😂
go sit down, YOU had your turn
#LebrongoatofourERA
I was a huge Wizards fan when they had the Big Three (Arenas, Jameson, Butler). So naturally I was a LeBron hater. But seeing him single handedly whoop my team then the Pistons the way he did made me appreciate his greatness. I think he was only 22 at that time
He “single handedly” whooped “your team” with no Arenas/Butler that year, and then an old Pistons team with no Ben Wallace/coach Brown. Have a feeling you weren’t born yet or were too young to remember.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx I was high school so I remember enough. He still whooped those teams so why make excuses? You just proved that you're older than me and still a LeBron hater 😅😅😅 I thought hating celebrities was something only teens do. Looks like you still got some maturing to do 🤷🏽♂️
@@CitizenoftheWorld1 ehh seems like you don’t, a Wizards “fan” who doesn’t even bring up no Arenas/Butler in that series. Hilarious. I just find it odd how LBJ fans are quick to bring up injuries when he loses to certain teams to excuse his losses but we can’t do the same against him?
Also, how is me telling exactly what happened hating? Just say you’re a Bron groupie pretending to be a Wizards fan & that my comment offended you bc you’re that much of a Bron fan.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx Wow very insightful.....All I said was he's a great player so that automatically makes me a LeBron groupie and a fake Wizards fan 🤦🏽♂️ Just admit you're a hater, ok boomer? I don't even think he's the GOAT, so you're wasting your time with me 👋
@@CitizenoftheWorld1 oh look the victim card...and all I said was that the Wizards were missing Arenas/Butler two very key important players. Just keeping it fair is all. LBJ fans love to point out injuries he had with teammates when he loses but we can’t do it for other teams he beat?
I called you a Bron groupie bc of how defensive you got for him and how little you cared for your teams injuries. I call it how I see it but whatever, I’m done here •shrugs•
I'm a Lebron fan, I may not agree that LBJ is the best ever but I do enjoy hearing bron's opponents or teammates talk about him. It feels more credible because they stepped on the floor with him, it's not an unbiased opinion because it's really a real story or experience. I'm excited about how would the documentaries be after he retired.
I’m not even that big of a lebron fan and I cannot wait for them to make a documentary about him once he retires. Man deserves his own last dance documentary.
He’s the best ever and I think he’ll get another ring to change your mind
@@carlosa9467 It won’t matter what lebron does he’s hated and MJ is loved. Lebron can 3peat win 3 more mvps and finals mvps, and he’ll still be ranked below jordan by most people
Definitely top 5
He is number 1 if you disregard your childhood heroic moments, and the brand Jordan. From a basketball player stand point that plays all 5 positions, yes LeBron is more versatile and skilled overall than Jordan.
Skip Bayless has left the chat.....lol
Skip Bayless always says when a player praises Lebron they have beef with Jordan. Well what about Gilbert? He lost to Lebron and they aren’t best friends for what I know so what can Skip use for this? Lol nothing 😂
Facts
@@coldwolf7014 I know he spit nothing but facts, most other players, *PAUL PIERCE ESPECIALLY,* would’ve just hated on him without acknowledging how great he is
gsw fans: who is this fella?
oldies: the original no look three😤
Larry Bird is the original bro....and the 1st
Chris Mullin you mean.
GSW fans know exactly who he is... he started his career with the warriors
BEST EXPLANATION EVER!!
Worst comment ever
L it’s not true
I agree
@@Philcarg Facts . I see you a Thinker also.
Jordan had no holes in his game.
It's fascinating to hear another professional break things down. I've always thought Lebron has the most raw physical talent of those three contenders, and I can't imagine having to be in front of that freight train of a man night in, night out. While we are Monday morning quarterbacking, I also thought his jump shot mechanic looked a little off, which might hinder him in the long run. Sure, he can still score prodigiously, but compared to MJ and KB's silky smooth motion, I thought it was lacking.
But on the whole, it sure looks like Lebron is emerging as a true GOAT possibility.
U talking about physical power with IQ of Lebron.
We talking of Heart, Mindset and SKILLSET when talking of MJ and Kobe!
If you also look at the positions he plays...he can play PG, SF, PF, SG and this season for the first time he played C. He is a multi skilled player who can switch when it is necessary unlike Kobe or MJ who played shooting guard and defense for most of their careers. Meanwhile, Lebron also plays defense.
You can't be the greatest civil engineer for doing bridges only while another civil engineer has done bridges, water structures, hotels etc...if that makes sense
Gilbert made a good point about scoring. Lebron could score 60 and still lose a game. That's why lakers stopped making playoffs even though Kobe was scoring many points until his retirement. It takes a TEAM effort because it's 5 players. You need others to contribute.
MJ was successful because Pippen, Rodman were consistent too
@@edobwoy BUT HE IS A AWFUL PERSON
We’ll find out few years after he retires. I don’t know why but something is telling me not only he won’t be mentioned as the greatest, but he wouldn’t be mentioned at all. Like Kobe Bryant before his death. And I’m pretty sure on the platform they will have another kid aiming at Jordan and replacing him.
@@edobwoy Lebron stop playing defense after 2014 and he was great defender for 2,3 years not more. Jordan was consistently great defender throughout his career with the Bulls.
Freak in nature + High IQ + Unselfish = Greatness
The Goat never calling himself Goat idiot, everybody know that Jordan is Goat but Lebron is jst calling himself Goat but no one admit lol, this is the link th-cam.com/video/VDV2qe7uUMo/w-d-xo.html
@@phucjack1334 only an idlot would consider a choke artist like jorfraud to be the goat
@@Bungycb Everything u said is jst tell u r an idiot and jeolously, come on kid if u ask ur mom who is the greatest basketball player of all time the answer will always Jordan ok
@@phucjack1334 when I asked your mom who her greatest lover was she always said me
@@phucjack1334 when I asked the person who gave birth to you who her greatest love was she said me
Man he was probably right about Jordan on that Cavs team. Not like Mike can't make his teammates better, but like they need to want it too. And I don't think most of that team would like to improve much more while being at the bottom of the play-offs.
Intergalactic facts bron had bums whose names we would never never know outside of a 1 year zeke in Cleveland. Jay leave bj armstrong is an all star pip 3 conference appearances. Cleveland players 0
Man, this is everything ive been preaching but in a condensed self explanatory way !!!!! Agent 0 is forever the realest man
@Michael Jordan lool
He’s still wrong lol
Arenas is a smart, independent thinker. I always though the same about the Lebron vs. Jordan argument. Jordan had an early Lebron Cavs team in the 80s and he went out in the first round. I wish the Lakers would bring him in as an assistant coach.
Apparently, when you're being guarded by 4 players and you pass to one of the best 3-point shooters in the league completely open at one of the most efficient spots on the floor, it's debatable whether or not it was the right play to make? Seriously, that is one of the most indicting moments in Bron's career to prove how much bias there is against the dude.
Three members of the opposing team are right there; Crowder stepped in the way, and a fifth is in the paint - the entire opposing team is within a few feet of him to make sure he doesn't score, and he finds a Finals record scoring 3-point shooter so open he could take a nap before shooting, and there is still criticism?
Agree man. Haters are just hatin
It was the right play. It was the highest probability play. Most importantly, it was the sort of play that is the Lebron way. I am glad that he doesn't try to be like Jordan or Kobe. He is LeBron and the choices that he makes on court are the reason why he is so special.
There’s no hate. The Lebron system is great. But Magic was a tad better at running it. 5 out of 11 years is better. They both need killers to the left and right. It’s a good enough system. But there’s another system proven in Chicago and LA but that takes a different type of cat.
@@StraightLEFTfromPAC But that's a reasonless argument here. The original point was that LeBron made the absolute right play. Any pass to Kerr or Grant by MJ, if missed, would be a blemish to any commoner idiot fan. Bron made the correct call with more defenders on him than any player ever sees, and that's a fact.
@@Banned4Life Never said it was the wrong play. His success rate doing this is ok. But don’t say he’s a killer, ‘consistently’ takes over games when it’s close, never shrinks under big lights, on the line. Don’t say that tho. He’s really good, with a really good system. That’s it. For ex. over 50% of Federer’s majors came under close quarters. He pulled through. Great players don’t fold or rarely do. James has pulled through ok and enough with the pass first mentality. They were ok. I ain’t gonna hype higher than what it really was.
This man is a basketball genius
@@sij809 and to be honest I think he deserves it.
He's not a basketball genius because there's a lot of basketball geniuses that would disagree with him...
@@dfkgym4400 you don't know much about the game of basketball
@@louburgunde9719 such as?
@@louburgunde9719 Genius is not confined to one point of view. Picasso can be a genius and paint COMPLETELY different than the genius that is Rembrandt. Just because some basketball geniuses have different points of view doesn't mean Arenas is not a genius.
Pretty impressive analysis, he defined LeBron James as player and where does his greatness come from.
Finally, someone that knows the game, played the game with LeBron on the Court, and showed us exactly what was going on.
Not only that, he played against Jordan as well
........you're literally Gen-Z trash.
Neither one played a prime Jordan.@@Rctfy1
Greatness 🔥🔥🔥🔥
You the goat MaxIsNicee
@Christian Wood hope u get better goat wood 🙏 we need u to continue your historic run
Ain't the goat tho lmao
@@riquetc0060 he ain’t your goat
@@jemirtoussaint3440 Nah, he just ain't the goat in general.
The sad part about this that Arenas didn't diss MJ or Kobe. He just simply sad that LBJ is always playing with his teammates in mind. Whereas MJ & Kobe would just shoot. Even in the days of the Bulls being great, Pippen ran the team and MJ was just great. Ask all the Bulls teammates and they will tell you that it was Pippen that made them work well.
Crazy bse when Jordan left Pippen had one good season and the next year he quit on the team bse he wasn’t wasn’t chosen for the last shot but kukoc was and nailed it. Pippen had the team out of playoffs and Jordan came bck and lead them to the playoffs but lost to magic.
I've always given Lebron his proper respect. I think MJ is the greatest but I believe Lebron will get more respect after he's done playing.
However, this notion that MJ played on this bomb squad, all stars everywhere, Pippen ran the team, etc and then on the other hand Lebron carries everyone, it's all him. It's nonsense. Lebron has always had help and alot of it at that.
Fairly stupid take, given Jordan still averaged 5.3 assists per game.
Sure, Jordan shot more at 22.9 attempts per game vs. 19.7, but that's only because LeBron can't shoot.
@@Xenon-h9z You know assists are last passes right? And don't show the reality of what happens on the court? Watch the games please don't be a box score watcher.
@@Xenon-h9z Not to mention that MJ (and Kobe) were _shooting_ guards. Their entire job is to SHOOT. By the way, Money is 3rd all-time in assists per game among pure SGs.
For a long time I thought that MJ is the G.O.A.T. but after witnessing LeBron James and seeing what this man has done throughout his long career, it’s undeniable he’s the greatest basketball player of all time. His mind, his vision, combined with his superior athletic ability, rarely if ever gets injured, leads teams not with an iron fist, but with inclusion and a sense of community, pass first attitude instead of shooting a 29th shot after going 4-28 from the field, can adapt to any play style, guard 1 though 5, never a coach killer, humble student of the game, constantly improving to maintain longevity, the list of feats are endless with this guy.
Facts
He’s amazing but I got Jordan #1
We look at a GOAT by how good they were in their prime, almost prime position, offence/defence and scoring. Longevity and injury does not affect GOAT status, especially since leBron is spending millions on health and longevity meanwhile MJ was stuck in a time of cigars and drugs, he’d even smoke a cigar before every game. MJ only needed one play style, and that style got him GOAT status, and “humble student”? What has this got to do with how good a player is, MJ was cocky and had a big ego because he was insanely good. LeBrons efforts outside the court have nothing to do with his skill. MJ is the GOAT and undeniably better at basketball.
Sorry forgot to mention as well, I don’t think you’ve seen enough of MJ playing because something both Lebron people and MJ people agree upon is that MJ is more athletic, it’s just fact. Not many people come close to Jordan’s athleticism.
@@l1ll4rd48 You clearly have a lot to learn about basketball and are undeniably influenced by mainstream sports channels. You speak of “we” as if you’re the entire world. You’re not. You’re just one man/woman. That being said, there’s obviously more to basketball than scoring. MJ was elite at scoring, there’s no denying that. But if you’ve ever played the game, then you remember the most joyous thing to play next to is an elite scorer and especially an elite passer. Conversely, if you play next to somebody who doesn’t pass (and there were countless moments where MJ refused to pass, I’ve seen the good, bad and ugly passing games of MJ), you’d tell him to stop hogging the ball! Prime is nothing, absolutely nothing compared to longevity. If a GM wants to build his team, why would he care about about a player’s prime or peak? He wants sustained excellence. If a company has a choice between hiring somebody with a prime or somebody who can give you years and years of excellent work and most of all availability, you’d know who’d they choose. Be honest with yourself.
About the health thing, it’s astonishing to see how in-objective you are when you praise MJ’s habits of cigars and drugs and indict LeBron for taking care of his body, you know, the number one thing teammates/players/coaches ask you to do as part of your job. Being humble has got EVERYTHING to do in being good in LIFE let alone basketball. Having ego in any situation, especially in basketball is never appreciated.
When it comes to skill, sure MJ has a better offensive package. Beautiful highlights. But that’s where it stops.
Passing, chase-down blocks, defending all 5 positions (you’ve seen LeBron front the post and neutralize bigs in their prime), communicating, getting teammates involved. All skills LeBron possessed that are way superior than MJ’s footwork. There’s so much to teach you, but I’ll leave it with these couple of jewels.
Look, it’s been a nice run for MJ, and he was phenomenal, but people are slowly waking up to the obvious fact that the bigger, faster, stronger, healthier, more unselfish and smarter LeBron James is the greatest basketball player of all time 👑
The issue is that even if you call LeBron the goat, you'd have to consider Jordan as some legendary mythical figure beyond basketball. Jordan was an international icon during the 90s and made basketball
Jordan came at the perfect time era wise to get a ton of worldwide exposure like no superstar had before in the NBA and also benefitted from an incredible marketing campaign from Nike, again the first of its kind. If LeBron had played in that era and been in MJ’s shoes, I think he would’ve been similarly popular. I know what you mean though, I think Jordan is still the most well known player internationally, but it’s because of his play. A legendary mythical figure outside of their sport to me is someone like Ali or something and Jordan as a figure outside of basketball wasn’t quite as transcendent as that IMO 🤔
@xo 4u ok yea like now that's just not true lol, MJ would be an MVP candidate ever year if he played now the same way Bron is
@xo 4u LOL im literally 23 you're honestly dumb if you think anyone would make MJ "look like a high schooler" WHO lmao
@xo 4u Well I wouldn’t say a handful, the only player I can think of is Kevin Durant, arguably the most unstoppable scorer to ever play the game. Other than that, the game has changed too much to where it doesn’t make sense to compare anymore.
@xo 4u bro don't talk basketball anymore
Fans: Score 30PPG
LeBron: No, A dozen NBA Finals.
But only 4 Wins..
@@lr44810 Yes because his competition is adequate.
@@michaelwoods6272 His competition wasn’t adequate to get to the finals tho
@@edrushhh In '07 and 18?
@@bilindameen6302 What great team did he faced thoses years before reaching the finals?
This is literally THE BEST LeBron James take ever.
@Michael Jordan jordan couldn't get out of the first round of the playoffs until he got Pippen on the squad
@@ingemarsmith4154 jordan never lost the finals not once is that not what a goat would do? Never lose when it really counts. You can’t use Lebron constantly going to the finals win or lose as a great accomplishment but overlook Jordan also going 6 times and never losing even 1. How is that not what a goat is never losing the big game?
@@Mir2Nastyy MJ was great. Not taking anything away from him. But I'm considering the situation. He had Pippen a team around him.
Sir ingemar I respect you so much for appreciating the new GOAT but Kevin Durant is the real GOAT than LeBron and Jordan
These takes are stupid all im going to say lebron is a second but not close to jordan im not javing a whole day conversation just read this if you see and to answer back ok because i have days and days of arguments all im saying
Best breakdown of the GOAT argument ever! And Gil, you are the people's GOAT, don't get it twisted.
That would be iverson actually
@@tonyavant1773 Can't really argue that one...
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so is Gilbert Arenas. Now, you can't be the goat with 6 losses in the finals!!!
But for Gilbert, Lebron is the goat just by making his teammates better? Yet those teammates failed you 6 times. Gilbert really has the best Breakdown of the GOAT argument. Wooow!
@@gallusuniverse805 well said
@@gallusuniverse805 I try the tell people the main reasonl why Lebron can’t be the goat because he has a losing record on the biggest stage
Also it’s completely false that Kobe and Mike wouldn’t make it to the playoffs with the cavs roster when they did it with teams that was just a bad if not worse than what he had.
A strong argument indeed by this gentleman 👏. However, I politely disagree.
Respectfully
Same. He just isn't the same type of player. He is a team first kinda of guy. Jordan is a win first kinda of guy. Lebron tries to elevate bad to average players. Jordan didn't waste his time with that and won 6. Kobe didn't waste his time with that and won 5. Lebron won 4. Maybe if he wins five you could reconsider the arguement but at this point it's guetting too late in his career.
@@razgaros Michael Jordan did make thoae around him better. However, Lebron does not have that winning mentality that Kobe or MJ had. All these flops and walking out of games early are things that keep lebron from reaching MJ. MJ wanted to win at all costs, Lebron gives up when things are bad.
@@MonkehEgo but Lebron's still the GOAT, too bad for Mike and Kibe, they tried tho
@@chrisvu7260 He could be the GOAT but, he is running out of time and he is ruinning his legacy. If he keeps leaving games early and being a man child, then he will be remembered for that only.
🐐🐐🐐🐐
That’s for mj
@@aidanchernenkoff4426 lebron*
@@302tyty9 Powder*
@@aidanchernenkoff4426 no it’s for lebron
I appreciate the Micheal Jordan compliment
That was a fair breakdown of the goat conversation
Most deft I never thought of that, the way he explained it
Nope mj was underrated by arenas
@@shawn17g Dawg it was fair. If he talked about MJ how he talked about Bron there would be no “he underrated Bron”
@@MrAlvarez23 6 finals and 6 rings on the same team and 6 times defensive player I thinks that's consider an goat 🐐. Never lost in the finals . So stop it
@@anthonyhogan5878 in 90s weak era and no zone defwnse 1 v 1 against 6 feet plumbers and thats your goat? Lol
There is not enough like button for me to press. I'll just leave my appreciation
Jordan vs Lebron, I'd rather have LeBron as the franchise centerpiece but acknowledge that strong arguments can made for both.
LeBron vs Kobe isn't a real debate. LeBron is a much better player (bigger, stronger, more efficient, better decision making, can do more with less etc.). Kobe was undeniably great but at a tier below GOAT consideration.
Everything you said in the lebron kobe debate can bd applied to lebron jordan. Kobe was a carbon copy
@@devinsmart1547 Kobe replicated Jordan's game but was only about 85 percent as good.
Gil was spot on about the Cleveland team. We seen it with Kobe in 05-06 he just dropped 40 and first round exit. Mj before Phil was just first round exit.
My biggest thing about Arenas and all these lebron the goat fans fail to realize conference play. Its like Bron gets participation points as the goat for just making the finals.
If everyone just took 5 to 10 mins to do some research of nba basketball after Jordan left Chicago the west actually won all but 5 of the first 20 nba finals, so what exactly does that say about the eastern conference. In fact it was so lopsided that in my eyes the final was between the lakers and spurs, lakers, dallas or GSW from 2000 to 2019 for the most part. We all expected that Cleveland team to be there in the end and to get smashed by one of those four teams.
Also the proof in my argument is exactly why the allstar game format change when the west had 8 of the top 10 players in the league or so most seasons. The commissioner got tired of west winning the game 164 to 125 or so. Also the reason why they considered changing the nba playoffs format a few years ago because it wasn't fair for the #8 seed in the east to be 30 and 52 meanwhile #8 in the west was 44 and 28 or so. My point is lebron and those Cleveland teams wouldn't sniffed the finals in the west until he had Kyrie and Love and that possibly would've only happened one season or so
@@jamessims9298 okay but lebron don’t get discredit for making it to 8 straight finals. no matter how you want to look at it that is impressive.
Also content matters. In the early 2000s lakers and spurs were the two super teams in that era. Then there were finals where the eastern teams were as good as the western teams. Packers vs lakers, spurs vs pistons, lakers vs Celtics, mavericks vs heat, warriors vs cavs first time were all Evenly matched teams. And you contradicted yourself by saying we all knew cavs will be in the finals yet saying it was spurs or lakers in the west in the finals. Both conference was dominated by a dynastic team. When warriors was winning it was always gonna be them in the finals. From 2000-2010 it was lakers or spurs coming out the west, from 2011-2013 was the only year the west was open. From 2015-2019 it was warriors easily. What made lebron run impressive is he held his dynastic run for 8 years
Yea but they don’t talk about that🤦♂️
@@UPxYOURs2 what about his first 8 years in the league they brush over that as well.
@@jamessims9298 What are you saying right now. You're talking out the side of your mouth. If you're going to try and diminish LeBron's success at least use facts. You are saying that LeBron wouldnt have made the playoffs most of the years if his team had the record they had but in the Western Conference, which isn't true at all. There is only one season the Cavs would not6 have made the Playoffs if that was the case and that was in 2008 when they were 45-37 which isn't bad and the West's 8th seed was 50-32. Just admit you're a hater because that's so sad that you would even put that out there to make what he's done less impressive.
Masterful break down of the 🐐. Most people don't even see it like that. Not to mention how he's know's dang near every set a team is going to do. Others watch the game and are reactionary, no my G this is planned.
Real recognize real 💯
Though I am 100% a Jordan as the GOAT advocate, I don't think that I have ever heard a more cogent argument for Lebron as the GOAT. He's still wrong, but I have more respect for the argument after watching this 😄
@Rodrick Wimberly
I agree with you. Am not a crazy Jordan fan. Jordan is the goat....the only possible player close to Jordan is kobe Bryant ....
@@dru400 in the playstyle maybe but lebron's better than kobe in everything except kobe has 1 more ring
@@dru400 Kobe is great but he isn’t on the same level as Jordan or Lebron. His play style was like Jordan and he was certainly more skilled than MJ but he lacked the 48 inch vert and wasn’t nearly the shooter that MJ was.
Nobody can be WRONG in this GOAT debate, Jordan and LeBron are good but I think LeBron is greater.
@@grubgamer8383 how so?
Lakers fan love Kobe he's my GOAT but I love to hear actual NBA players perspective on these type of topics
You know nothing about basketball if you think Kobe is the goat.
@@LeChina what gave u the audacity to comment if we all liked the same thing we would all chase the same girl enjoy your day brother
@@LeChina Don't talk about other people OPINIONS.
@@LeChina Yeah, huge respect to Kobe but he's just not on Jordan's level.
@@drewfilson6795 Jordan’s era was weak..easy era to go iso one on one...compared to Kobe’s 2000-2010 era run 😂
The sad part Gilbert was a killer like kobe & mj but he knows that style of playing tho it's exciting to watch it doesn't equate to wins with any roster & it is what it is its seems anyone who clearly puts mj or kobe over bron has to be looking at the game from a 1on1 standpoint but basketball is a team sport & bron gets the most out average teammates
What JR Smith numbers before and after playing with Bron?
What Kevin Love numbers before and after playing with Bron?
What AD numbers before and after playing with Bron?
@@imkotable how many rings did they have before and after?
@@qwerty-rv4ty exactly
@@qwerty-rv4ty Lol stupid argument. How many rings Scottie had before and after playing with MJ?
How many rings Gasol had before and after playing with Kobe?
So based on your perspective, Kobe and MJ make their teammates better. Lol.
@@GD-ue4ty thank you😂😂 hes so dumb
This is straight facts lebrons iq is better than anyone else who’s ever played LEBRONS THE GOAT
Larry Legend
@@jeffcook2570 in his career, Larry had Kevin McHale and Robert Parish (equivalent to having Tim Duncan and Karl Anthony Towns), Dennis Johnson (equivalent to having Drew Holiday/Lou Williams), Danny Ainge (equivalent to having Gordan Drajic), Nate "Tiny" Archibald (equivalent to having 5'9 Isaiah Thomas at his best), Reggie Lewis (equivalent to having PG-13), Bill Walton (equivalent to having Pau Gasol), and as head coach and GM he had K.C. Jones (equivalent to Doc Rivers), and Red Aurebach (equivalent to Pat Riley).
Now ask yourself what would LeBron have done with that caliber of support?
@@mobetta2092 just thought I'd leave this here for you. Pay close attention to Kareem's part
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@@jeffcook2570 players respect Magic and Larry not only because of their greatness, but also because they made the NBA a part of popular culture, so I know Larry Bird's value.
However, MJ, LeBron (Kareem and Wilt to lesser degree) are the reputable names in the GOAT conversation. (Give Bird LeBron's Cavs teams and they're not even contenders...give Bron Bird's Celtics teams and they're still winning).
Edit: I've NEVER heard any credible basketball mind ever consider Larry Bird the GOAT
@@jeffcook2570 here's something for you to view.
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Gilbert Arenas always striked me as an intelligent guy. I like the way he expressed his perspective here. I still say it's Jordan all day but it's imperative to listen him here.
Intelligent compared to a pile of 💩👍🏿
@@jessepetite2468 compapre to you keyboard warrior. You're nothing compared to Arenas
@@jessepetite2468 that’s your opinion but Arenas gave solid and objective points here with no bias. not some ESPN opinionated responses. my heart will say MJ but that’s my heart and there’s obvious bis, Arenas is using his brain here which is impressive considering he grew up with Jordan and it’s easy to be blinded by nostalgia but props to him for putting his biases aside and actually making an objective analysis. he actually got me thinkin twice here
@@ethantampus6021 different people have different perspective about the greatness. MJ has the most impact on basketball culture. Almost Everybody knows MJ. He is more popular than anyone in the world. Greatness is not just about being good at sport but what impact does the person bring to the sport and people around the world. Looking back all these great people in history. Every one of them impacted our society or culture in different way. That’s called greatness. The goat. LBJ might be the goat in next 20 years when next generation know only about lbj and he would be bringing more influence to the generation but until then , no lbj is nowhere near MJ.
Agent 0 was spot on with his take 🔥
I’m glad GA came out and started his own platform. After the gun incident that’s all I thought of him dude actually articulate af
Exactly, Lebron is just different
Lebron os trash he lost 6 finals
@@geraldwilson1705 yeah because we all know its better to lose in the earlier rounds
@@geraldwilson1705 like championships aren’t team accomplishments. Bunch of idiots on here
@@johnnycoop8694 Making it 10x is also a team accomplishment 🤦♂️
@@killmeinorder who said it wasn’t?
Pause at 1:25. TBH Brons NOT the goat cause if he was to go against Jordan's era theres another 6'10+ 240+ waiting for him to drive. Good example of this you see what Lebron did against the Mavs. All you need to do is strink the floor against him. Meanwhile jordan is getting whatever he wants becuz he could shoot.
Oh brother. LeBron coming to the rim full speed, no one in NBA history can stop that. Plus LeBron can shoot, you must never watched games of LeBron. LeBron shoots jump shots just about as much as he drives to the rim. Plus he can pass.
Maybe...just maybe...I might have to reconsider my GOAT choice after this breakdown....🤔
I am also considering it, but not quite ready, not quite sure, but this breakdown is great and again shows how incredible LeBron is. Very different from the "best guy shoots" style of star player. However, there's no doubt in my mind that he is a better team guy, and that he can lead bad or mediocre teams the furthest, by believing so strongly in his team mates that they start believing in themselves and turn into value. And then again he can just do so so much, he has great versatility and obviously he's longevity!
It's a good breakdown but if you gotta do all of this analysis to consider someone a 🐐, he's probably not. Eye test is best test.
@@markied2873 When people believe popular analysts' views without doing their own research then yes, you gotta breakdown your own point for it to be even heard. A well thought out and explained breakdown is better than a casual saying 6-0 vs 4-6 with no context
@@maxwiththeimpressions9217 you made a very crucial point and I want to reiterate on that when you said he trust and gets he's team mates involved and ultimately they have confidence in themselves and make the game easy for him I totally agree with that and that's the reason why most players become more productive when they play with Lebron and when they don't play with him anymore they don't seem to meet up the same standards after he's not playing with them anymore
@@brannybrannylo1706 Yea exactly, exactly.. Do you think he is the greatest basketball player of all time though, skill wise?
I think he is a greater team mate than Jordan, a better team guy, but still don't know about player.
If Gil redid his career with what he knows now he would’ve had MULTIPLE RINGS!
He still in shape, he probably could come back and actually do that
@@jwwashere888 Lmao, calm down
There’s still so much more that makes him great
And there's more than that why Jordan is the GOAT!
@@bryrashad Winning mentality, never quitting and the list goes on and on
@@akshayrao4473 "Winning Mentality" is very subjective, we can't simply know what burns inside the heart of the person.
I love gil because he's doesn't let his emotions get in the way of his logic
Which is why he pulled a gun on his teammate
@@82and0lmao
Much respect Arenas ....you wasn't to bad yourself 💪🏿 🏀
Jordan believed in John Paxson for the first Chip!
And Steve Kerr for the 5th
Bruh the beat the lakers 4-1
Who took them to the finals. Daddy MJ so shut up.
It was a broken play, stupid casual
Jordan didn't pass it to Paxson
Man ur breakdown means everything is worth to watch it again and again tnx man
THE RING LEBRON WON WITH CAVS IT IS WORTHIEST RING EVER OVER ALL RINGS WON IN THIS SPORT ESPECIALLY 3 GAMES DOWN AGAINST GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
HE IS THE GOAT NO ARGUE AT ALL CAN DELETE THE TRUTH HE IS THE GOAT AND THE ALL TIME NBA SCORING KING .
Gilbert was real life one of my favorite players in the league.
Gilbert arenas not only a fantastic player but humble enough to be objective in this
This was a good argument for Lebron tbh 🔥
You dont watch basketball
@@kitwalters5949Lmaoo how could you possible tell?
@@kitwalters5949 And we supposed to take your opinion on Basketball over Somebody who played & studied the game & played at a high level give me what your smoking on 😂
Not really. Every other great did the same thing LeBron did... Gilbert just made it seem like he was the only player EVER to do this.
@@kaywill9677 every other great came back from 3-1 against a team that went 73-9 and had the unanimous mvp?
This is the worst argument for LeBron being the goat I think I've ever heard of my life
And why isn’t this man a nba coach or staff member. Incredible mind
He coaches highschool level right now I think. With his son
Naw not hs.. his kid only 10.. but he is coaching an Aau team
@@BRAWLIC215 No guns allowed on school property
He says om his youtube show he will coach. He is just not sure which level(highschool, college, nba) suits him the most at the moment.
There’s nothing about this video that shows that he could be an nba coach.
Basically it comes down to Lebron being a small forward who’s asked to do everything VS Jordan and Kobe who are score first mentality players. Just because their main role was to score doesn’t mean they didn’t have high IQs too. Kobe proved later in his career that he could get triple doubles easily too if it’s asked of him and Jordan also had no problem making those extra passes at the end of games too
Um no
No
@@benigogo elaborate
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Good point Gilbert, Jordan is going to take that last shot every time...except for when he passes it to Paxson, Kerr, or Wennington so they can take the last shot. But other than that, great point from a brilliant basketball mind.
If he has the 1v1, absolutely. But Jordan didn;t force up last shots against double and triple teams. He left that nonsense to Kobe.
Gil is the most respectful basketball commentator he thinks he understands and he doesn’t belittle ppl or hype em too high jus gives it real
This is most detailed breakdown I have seen for a goat argument. Kareem is the goat but breakdowns like this I can respect, especially coming from an ex player
Nope Lebron is
@@Travel_Ventures_ its matter of opinion, don't be a dweeb.
Kareem has a better case than LeBron.
@@kaywill9677 Kareem has a better case than anybody and lbj has a better case than everyone else and bird,magic,and shaq has a better case than kobe...but can anyone tell me how can mj be the goat when he never beat bird and bird destroyed him everytime they played?Bird would be the goat fr
M.L.E. MOB LIFE ENTERTAINMENT again 5 in 7 attempts is better then 4 in 9 attempts... plus Kobe played in the west and has two Repeats and 1 3peat...
Can we take a moment to appreciate this brilliant breakdown..
You don’t win 6 chips, 6 NBA finals MVPs, 5 MVPs, average 37, win DPOY and MVP in one year, also average 41 ppg in the 93 finals, hold the NBA record of 69 points in a playoff game, average 43 against the Larry Bird Celtics, win 10 scoring titles( more than Curry, Durant, harden, Kobe, Lebron, AI, TMAC etc), never lose 2 games in a row the first 3 peat, take two retirements come back and win, have 9 All Defensive NBAs, win the slam dunk , win 3 straight with only one other all star, and not be the GOAT nor Kobe or Lebron can say they did those things oh and guess what he did that in a 13 year span🤷🏾♂️ and no I’m not an old head I used to be be a Bron fanboy and I’m 22
Jordan won 6 titles cuz the Bulls had 2 top 5 players in an era that didn’t have super teams.
The Spurs and Warriors are better than any team Jordan ever beat.
Also MJ (and Kobe) got all defense teams cuz they were guards. So much easier getting it as a guard than a forward.
@@noahhanft7982 actually no. How is it easier to get for a guard?? You could argue the opposite. And no Jordan did not have a top 5 player every single year he won the chip Especially in 1998 when pippen was hurt all playoffs.
@@luminousrxk7288Okay but who was mj playing? Mj was cooking all of those guys cus they sucked. The only team lebron lost to he shouldnt have lost to is the mavs.
@@luminousrxk7288exactly, lebron went against real good players. you notice that MJ when he went against larry bird and magic in thier prime (80’s - 90’s) he never won a single championship. he only started winning when they was old and lebron went against kevin durant, curry, timduncan, allen iverson, kobe, kawai, and more.
I think both of them is affecting the game in a quite similar way. And its not all about skills, its actually the intangible and the drive to win the game in any way they possibly can. Best example of this attributes is Jimmy butler, as Jimmy is actually an inefficient player but somehow having him in the game affect the Heat's chances to win greatly.
That is true. It's not just about stats. MJ actually had a greater impact in the overall performance of his team than Lebron ever did.
My boy always keep it real 👍🏾
Gilbert Arenas is a FANTASTIC Basket-Ball Savant. Amazing analysis and very thorough Deep Knowledge of the game #Facts💯
Gilbert is exactly on point. Finally someone giving a true analysis without afraid of the backlash from the Bird jock holders and MJ FANATICS.
Everything he is saying about MJ is all wrong lmao.
Take Jordan off that second 3peat late 90’s teams. They would be a 40 win team. Literally.
MJ was patient with those players and elevated them. He challenged them. He MADE them better. Especially that 97-98 team. He CARRIED that team to 62 wins.
And when he passed to Kerr, there’s footage of him TELLING Kerr to hit the shot!
Gilbert is dead wrong lol.
MJ is the GOAT.
When Jordan left for them 2 years the bulls was still a championship caliber team.
The Bulls would only be a 40 win team with prime Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman? Lol ok.
When he says Jordan would average 60 points a game and just let it go, if u watched the last dance, he was the one dragging his team to be better. He was yelling at his teammates in practice letting them know they messed up so they don't make that mistake again or Jordan was going to give it to them. Btw who gave the ball to steve kerr in 1997 game 6 NBA finals to win the game? I think it was jordan because he trustred his team.
Yeah, that was a play set up FOR Kerr
No Jordan does not make his teammates better. And yelling doesn't make anyone better.
Jordan fans keep forgetting the 80s existed... He was a high volume scorer but he couldn't even get out of the East... He had amazing stats but his team lost in the playoffs multiple times
@@dje.z.e9091 so?
@Ryan Bino I can write exactly the same argument abt lebron so...
A good analysis. and he's not bias. He's actually a jordan and kobe fan growing up. Props to him💯
LeBron has AD, Russell Westbrook, Carmelo, Dwight Howard, Ariza, Horton-Tucker, and finished 11th in the West, missing a playoff field of 10 TEAMS. Pathetic. Fake GOAT
I love Agent 0 basketball mind and his film breakdowns. MJ is still my GOAT
Agent Zero (still one of my favorite players all time), brought out some good points that people don’t consider. Who is determined to be the goat depends on what PEOPLE think the greatest players should do (shoot last shot and things like that) instead of him just making the right decision for him and his team to win. LeBron is probably smarter than most head coaches in the NBA, or just as smart lol. Between him and Rondo lol. I love the way LeBron approaches the game!🤷🏾♂️
These arguments against Jordan don’t add up. Arenas only played against 40 year old Wizards Jordan with a severed finger and bad knees. Different eras so can’t compare. He acts like Jordan only knew how to score. Gimme a break! Jordan has ten times more sensational big moments in the playoffs. The public and even NBA players today pick Jordan and it isn’t even remotely close. Yeah, Arenas is a smart guy,huh? So smart he brought guns to the locker room to put heat on another player. Downright stupid!
@@baylenjessup4719 Using the guns thing as a diss against him talking basketball is a sign you don't have a big selection of arguments to go through. Basically you got nothing lol
Btw, Jordan was averaging 60 and retooled to win championships by including teammates
Those teammates got better over time.
@@vicshephard9231 and then also Pippen by 88.
Best, most accurate GOAT assessment I've heard!
It is bad as he assumes a lot about Jordan.
Like Jordan was not focussed on getting the top score at all, he was focussed on winning the game as a team.
That is how you win NBA titles, as a team. And Jordan won 6 as he was such a good team player.
People don’t realize bron’s first ever playoff series he averaged 35 and had TWO game winners against Gil and his wizards.
Thats not saying much since nobody puts the Wizards on the all time great defensive teams list
@@Masterbiracialthen it doesn’t mean much when Jordan was dropping 35PPG on farmer teams
This is a perfect assessment / analysis of Lebron 🤴🏿 James. Thanks G. Arenas
And it would be as easy as this put MJ in LeBron's cavs and they won't even go to playoffs, put LeBron in MJ's bulls and they will still win championship. MJ retired and Bulls were still a playoff team, bron leave cavs and suddenly it was the worst team in the whole NBA from a finals team to the worst team. So meaning, it's all Bron in cavs and it's not all MJ in Bulls. And I'm a 65 year old guy and pretty sure that I know more than these 35 year old delusional kids in the comment section
Put Lebron on MJ bulls when the faced the Celtics in the first round he wouldn’t have made the playoffs. Just like he didn’t make the playoffs his first 2 years in the NBA.
You do know when lebron left Cavs first time He wasn’t the only player that left. Right only 3 players off that roster stayed.
I love how detailed Gilbert was and I respect his arguments. I agree that LeBron is absolutely phenomenal. However, I believe that the idea or Jordan not believing in his teammates is a myth... it is possible that he pushed his teammates too hard... also the idea of LeBron making the right pass is great but Jordan's passing to Kerr is simply jordan hoping he would make the shot... really? Both plays are genius.. Jordan was well aware that he would be doubled... the bench convo between Michael and Steve is well known... just my take
I think the difference is that Jordan liked taking that last shot and for the most part wanted for plays to be drawn for him in the clutch, except in certain scenarios. Whereas LBJ just wants the play with the best possible chance of success
have yous een last dance?? phil made it clear to MJ that he had to trust his teamates in order for them to win. So he did pas to paxon.... ker.... kukoc.... but at the start of MJ career he didnt trust his cocain teamates thats why he ave 30 every year.
@@FrostySnowman334 I can agree with this in fact I think you’ve hit it on the nail
@@FrostySnowman334 Contrary to popular belief, Jordan didn't force up shots against double and triple teams, he left that nonsense to Kobe. If Jordan had the 1v1, he took the shot. If he got doubled, he passed the ball.
@@xaviervega468 i didn't say that he does. I just said that he likes taking the last shot, which is true
What you smoking Gil….Jordan won 6 with only one other All-Star in Pippen…Lebron needed Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD just to win 4…clear difference in dominance
jordan was playing against washed up superstars and plumbers
Jordan never played the warriors 😂
@@HowlingHashibi True but he wouldn’t have ran to get superstars.
Jordan faced a Celtics team with like 5 hall of famers. He lost, sure. But he ain’t run away from the competition 🤷🏾♂️
@@m.ahmed.y1723 Hakeem Olajuwon alone is already more skilled and athletic than any other big man in the game today not arguably named Jokic.
The plumber argument is played out
@@bigcheech1937 naah dude giannis over hakeem all day
u only telling me he's a better team player....not the better overall player cuz if u compared offense....its dead even but if u included defense....MJ separate himself from everyone....no other player including bron has ever been the hands down best on both sides of the ball in the dame year....MJ did at 6'6 200 lbs💪🏾 Goat
Mj could only guard small guards , Pippen and Rodman took on the tougher challenges , LeBron if he wants is a better defender, we saw it in Miami and his early Cleveland days
@@zod548 true...6'8 270 will grant u ability to guard bigger but when he's matched on PF and C.....he gets cooked bra....check the tapes....he great vs SF and good vs SG but just decent vs pg....MJ was great vs pg and sg....decent vs sf and short pf....no contest vs C lol and MJ played D 60 minutes...bron only chooses to play D 50/60% of the time to conserve energy...thats why he fell short of the award and mj won it....and even at 40 mj was still playing 60 minutes of D....bron stopped playing d at like 31/32....u only see small samples of his d now...but he was a great one when he did give effort 💯
@@areoinstylz yeah I agree
Michael Jordan 6 times NBA Finals MVP and never loss in the Finals!!!! That’s a real GOAT!!!!
no
So that’s just means most of Jordan’s losses came in the conference finals and earlier rounds lol, how is that a debate
@@spencerpremier There's no reasonable argument that Lebron is better than Jordan. Lebron had his chance and failed.
@@spencerpremier LECHOKE ONLY 4 RINGS IN 17 YEARS,NOT TO MENTION HE IS THE BIGGEST army deserter IN ALL TIME NBA HISTORY
@@spencerpremier lechoke missed 4 playoffs😂
If you know messi from soccer he plays exactly like lebron, messi never takes low percentage shots when he can see someone better positioned, ronaldo is like jordan
Very good point. Very good analysis.
Nice job! Gilbert😊👍
During pressure time he melted down agains the mavs
MJ GOAT
Lebron may be the greatest all around bball player but Jordan has him beat in the most important categories. Lebron also pussied out on the dunk contest
Facts!!...he did win the dunk contest at Bronny's game though🤣😂✌
Wait, I just watched Gil as a guest on a podcast and he said Jordan is the GOAT. So he changed his mind.
He's such a great teammate, makes it impossible to guard him bc he makes all the right plays/decisions, and is a physical specimen. His style of basketball may be smarter but it's not better than Jordans. The championships, defense, and free throws in the clutch matter. Different eras.
@@seriustraco Gil played the game but he didn't mention the individual awards which are the most important if you compare anybody. LBJ has more all-star appearances and that's the only thing that he is ahead of MJ. Although LBJ looks like he is the most complete player ever but still it's ridiculous to compare them because his awards are not even close. :-)
@@666marchisio the saying that LeBron aleays makes the right decision in crunch time while Jordan always goes hero ball is quite stupid! I agree that Lebron has great decision making but Mike is still far better in crunch time! Nit to mention that i still think Jordan is the better defensive player and a better Shooter! Lebron has the better 3 point shot but he still isnt great on a consistent and efficient basis!
@@seriustraco He still only has his opinion. There's way more former players who say it's MJ. Does he know MJ never lost a play off series when he played a full season and he had one all star on his team (Scottie), and never lost 3 games in a row during those championship years.Goggle it. Name me a team that didn't lose 3straight, and a player that never lost a series (except when he came back from baseball) and only played with 1 all-star in the 1st 3peat
Also Lebron has more game winners while making the right play 😂🐐
Shits crazy 😂
@@keithcooper6231 his game winners are so underrated. That Raptors one is so disrespectful 😂
Mj has 25 game winning shots. More than lebron. Has 9 buzzer beating shots. More than lebron and he played less. What are you babbling about.
@Raymond Sims how many more games did he play? How many did he miss? Can you actually play defense post 2009 anymore? How many game winning shots has he hit in the Finals where it mattered? Clueless emoji shrug.
Guys Lebron PLAYED more in the playoffs😂
I see a lot of haters up in here. Why? This man grew up watching Jordan and played against Lebron. He’s free to have his opinion just like y’all do. And he explained his reasons in great detail. Not everyone is going to say Jordan and that’s ok, that’s what make this debate fun. Just appreciate greatness as it is and stop getting in your feelings because someone has a different opinion then you💯
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Exactly, even Pippen and Kerr said Lebron was better and they played with Jordan!!!
@@davethompson8912 idk where u saw Kerr say this cuz I don't believe he said it. I'd bet money if we could!....& Gilbert is all 🧢 bruh. He's on a crusade to say the goats weren't in the 90's. He even says that Michael Jackson & Prince are "from the 90's" & he also says they aren't the goats. Y do ppl act like all the goats are from the 90's? Everything has evolved..this is what Gilbert is preaching. He full of it
The stats attest to this. Lebron has 10,097 assists. Jordan has 5,633.
with 7 more years but of course you as a bronsexual fail to acknowledge that.. 7 more years and a 4 year head start...
Jordan’s competition was simply not as good as Lebron’s throughout his career. There’s a reason why Jordan never really started winning until the great teams of the 80’s started to decline. Also, Jordan’s win-loss record without Pippen was 154-170. The biggest reason Jordan’s competition level was so much weaker than Lebron’s has been throughout his career is because during the 90’s there were several expansion teams added which led to a watered down league and inflated win-loss records. Lebron has taken 3 different teams to the Finals. Also, name me one superstar player off that 2007 Cavs team without Googling it. Lebron was carrying teams to the Finals. Look at some of those defenses Jordan faced. Jordan never had to go up against dynasty teams in the Finals like those Spurs teams and Warriors teams. I have nothing but respect for Jordan’s accomplishments and he is without a doubt a top 2 all time player. However, I do think there is a strong argument for Lebron as the GOAT. Also, Lebron’s obviously destroys Jordan in terms of longevity with or without the college years. Also, Lebron never got in trouble for gambling and letdown his team (the real reason he “retired” for a little while).
This man woke up and chose to spit facts
Gilbert is smoking the good stuff. This man is tripping
Facts Nd these bronsexuals eating it up 😭😭😂😂
Ofc the man that got torched by Lebron Nd constantly lost to me would say he’s the goat
Gilbert must be smoking that same stuff that got him suspended from the league
Great breakdown for and against who's the GOAT but I still take Jordan. lol
Yea I’ll take Lebron all day
It's hard not to take Jordan. It's just easier to make a case for him being the GOAT than any other player.