Battersea Tube Extension - Your Questions Answered
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- So we have 272 Tube Stations Stations on the London Underground now, and after last weeks fanfare of a launch, it seemed people had a few questions, let's see if can clear some of them up ...
My huge thanks to Tim (and for his music!), who runs the awesome "Tim Traveller" channel, what do you mean you're not subcribed, here: / thetimtraveller
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Finally, there is NO Out-of-Station interchange between Nine Elms and Vauxhall even though it's a short distance, totally walkable and I think there should be. The OSI's for the new extension that do exist are just between Battersea Power Station (Tube) and Battersea park (National Rail) and Queenstown Road (National Rail).
Love it! Thank you for answering all my questions Geoff ;)
Your welcome 🤗
@@geofftech2 thank you
Those were great questions, by the way. It's amazing how you came up with those.
Uncle Tim! :-)
Am I too far off if I assume you actually recorded your voice-over at Geoff's?
Considering that "hey I'm in London" stuff and all...
Zero steps? That’s equivalent to a fifteen storey building, isn’t it?
Hahaha!!
On its side, yes.
Of course it is! I used to live on a ground floor flat -- that was equivalent to a 15-storey building!
(Most) Stations between Upminster Bridge and Upney are at street level. Thats equivalent to a 15 storey building!
Also yay for baby changing facilities at both stations and accessible toilets - very welcome. My toddler christened the one at Nine Elms.
That's a fact to pull out at a wedding speech!
Great to be involved in checking out the new stations. Thanks Geoff!
Do you also inspect Changing Places ?
I'm not disabled and I do/would. I use 'disabled' toilets (preferred facilities) but am appalled at the number of emergency cord pulls I find wrapped through handles so they're out of reach.
My local-ish main hospital installed a Changing Place - and on my inspection, I broke it. Wall mounted support bars had been fitted with too small screws - and they pulled out of the wall !
Nice to see you wearing your EveryDoctor mask Sarah. They are very comfortable and for a good cause.
@@millomweb Many stations do have Changing Places toilets now, which is really great (and not before time). I do try to check them out when I can. :)
I think after Osterley, Sudbury Hill and Harrow are all made step-free (or sooner), a collaboration between you two is in order to check out and evaluate accessibility at all the newly step-free stations!
“Robert Palmer and the Power Station” …………….. Simply Irresistible (Timings) 😂 👏👏👍😀
3:47
@@caesar7734 Ha ha. Glad someone else noticed 👍😀
0:27 Battersea Power Station
1:27 [transposed with Nine Elms]
2:41 Power Station Battersea Station
3:01 Station Station Station Station Station
3:47 Robert Palmer and the Power Station
4:08 Battersea Power Station^2 [squared]
4:35 All the Power Stations
This is where Colonel Chapman cuts in: "Now, I've noticed a tendency for this programme to get rather silly. Now I do my best to keep things moving along, but I'm not having things getting silly."
Wait, what? I am certain things are allowed to be silly. It’s just that they are not allowed to be “too silly.” 🤣
Lol i didnt realise that
I like how everytime Tim talks the graphic in the background changes such as Nine Elms and Battersea being swapped and Battersea is shown as Battersea Power Station Station
I spotted that on the 4th one, and then went back through the whole video to spot them all!
Station Station Station Station Station!
1) (PEDs) Battersea Power Station | Nine Elms
2) (Step Free) Nine Elms | Battersea Power Station
3) (Bus Stops) Power Station Battersea Station | Nine Elms
4) (Kennington Loop) Station Station Station Station Station | Nine Elms
5) (Timing) Robert Palmer and the Power Station | Nine Elms
6) (App) Battersea Power Station | Nine Elms
6a) (3D view) Battersea Power Station Station
7) (Clapham Junction) All the Power Stations | Nine Elms
All The Power Stations!
@@grapesofwraith1066 all of them.
3:48 "Robert Palmer and the Power Station" Thank you for a homage to a great performer taken before his time, even in jest.
I love the fact that the northern line is now even more complicated. It’s got two northern branches, two central branches and now two southern branches
They’ll surely split it completely (Morden to Edgware and Battersea to HB) before long. It must be so confusing for tourists
Ive always wondered why it’s not just 2 separate lines. Surely it would be simpler and easier to manage.
@@philippetts1701 because sometimes you can get from the eastern brand in the north and go to the western branch in the middle... on the same train.. and sometimes you can go from the eastern down the eastern so it'd have to be 2 lines which both have branches.. which is confusing. they might totally split it so you have to change trains but that will not be popular with everyone
@@mralistair737 it will make Euston and Camden Town less confusing, plus half the time people have to change trains anyway
@@robWolvesfan1 I think it will be split BPS to Edgware and Morden to HB just because of the situation at Camden Town. Also what will the other line be called? Surely the line to HB will remain as the Northern line (because it goes further north, unless the bushey heath extension happens, which is highly unlikely) so what will they call the Edgware to BPS line
Geoff and Tim collaborating? It must be an early Christmas present!
Rumour (just made up by me) is that the Geoff and Tim collab is called ‘toutes les gares’. Supplementary question: is the rumour true?
Finally , someone else who understands why we cant always extend already busy tube lines, in normal pre-covid times , my local tube station, Walthamstow Central, trains are already full before we leave Walthamstow. Unless we swing it round to join the central line at snaersbrook for example, with a stop at whipps cross hospital!
Why am I so fascinated by this?
I was born in the 2nd Best London (for 166 years running), and now live in Toronto... but I'm fascinated by your transit videos.
Great to hear Tim's piano skills at the end. Handy mop up video, thanks Geoff
Wish You Were Here?
@@autieab Gosh, that was driving me mad yesterday. What's the German word for "recognising the tune but not knowing the name?"
@@autieab Yes! From back in the day when Gordon Giltrap had the monopoly on TV travel theme tunes - he also did the BBC "Holiday" themes
RE: the platform ‘edge’ doors - the main reason for them on the Jubilee line extension was for fire and smoke management (passenger safety was a nice bonus) - these new stations have been designed with the ventilation and stuff in mind, so no need for them for that purpose.
Whereas Crossrail will use platform ‘screen’ doors - where the running lines are completely separated from the platforms - a completely different ventilation/fire management approach.
Interesting, I never knew that !
Got that information as well from the video of the London Underground museum when they visited the stations
They also greatly reduce the costs of clearing litter and dropped items from the trackbed
Most of the lines in Tokyo have chest height doors (even the larger open air stations), which seems to work well
It's also about preventing "One Under" incidents & the risk assessments for BPS & NE identified that the expected volume of footfall and available platform space are adequate mitigation for the early stages of development given how unlikely it is that the fleet will be upgraded in the near future. Passive provision has been made for future retrofit should the need or opportunity arise.
On the last question, I think Geoff is subtly saying we need Crossrail 2 to steal some of the traffic that would be going on the Northern Line from Clapham Junction.
I think it will only be extended to CJ if Crossrail 2 happens
@@juanescobar8123 Or if the northern line splits.
Indeed, Crossrail 2 via Clapham Junction and Chelsea needs to happen before the Battersea route extends, precisely to avoid the crowds funneling into the existing lines - the new capacity would divert the medium distance customers to the west and reduce the crush at Clapham Junction itself \m/
Excellent questions and answers. Well done Sarah for making some valid points on space and signage too.
Indeed - I always think that lifts are often made too small to be fully accessible to some users!
Especially when accessibility is more than wheelchair accessibility. That's also the reason why train doors have been painted in contrasting colours for a while, now. It's a good idea to have such infrastructure better popping out from the wall, and yes, signage should be added. Unfortunately it's unlikely the lifts are going to be widened anytime soon as but more visible clues should be possible.
@@barvdw yes, you're very right... There is more than one type of "accessibility". It's not a catch all idea whereby lift=accessibility
Addition to the wheelchair-marks on the platform: In the Hidden London Hangouts of the London Transport Museum, they explained, that those markers mark the stepfree-access points on other stations. So if you would board with a wheelchair at Nine Elms and don't look for these markers, it's possible that you cannot exit the train at another station, with step-free access.
Good point so WTF did they not mark the doors ;) You'll find the doors at all the stations ;)
@@millomweb Because Northern Line trains turn round every time they go round the loop at Kennington. The step-free doors are not in the exact middle of the train so they change depending on which way the train is facing.
Actually the doors ARE marked. It’s the double doors on the 2 and 5 cars/carriages
@@spinba11 Interesting. Could also be confusing if you do get on at a full step-free platform and miss the platform signage.
@@oysterfarescentral before the extension opened you could only get on the 2nd going south or 5th going north as that was the only place that were level.
Thank you Tim and Geoff for asking and answering the questions I didn't knew I had ;-)
Terrific questions and answers!! Hi from Vancouver, Canada!! Thanks for the fabulous TH-cam channel!! I enjoy it very much!!! Cheers!!
Last question about flooding the northern line by extending to Clapham Jct. is probably quite an easy fix. If the line’s extended, Battersea Power Station will still have the crossover points from one tunnel to the other from where it used to be a terminus station. So just schedule a few journeys (maybe only peak needed) that don’t go all the way down to the CJ, start/end them short at Battersea Power Station so it won’t be affected by CJ passengers. Like how the Jubilee and Piccadilly line have scheduled short workings terminating at Willesden Green and Arnos Grove, instead of going all the way to the end of the line.
I like this one the best, vs Southbound only service into Clapham or half-length Clapham departure platforms as other comments have suggested!
@@kaitlyn__L the plan is that the line will only get extended to clapham junction after crossrail 2 gets built
Great to hear Tim
Re: platform edge doors. I distinctly recall that when the Jubilee Line Extension was due to open, there were a number of statements made that platform edge doors were "the future of the Tube," and all new additions to the Tube would include them. That is the reason the question of "why no P.E. doors" came to my mind, and I'm sure the same goes for other people, too.
Automatic train operation and Platform Edge Doors will probably go together, with the ATO both lining new trains up flawlessly and enabling trains to run with higher frequency.
On the Northern Line demolishing and rebuilding Camden Town Station, and splitting the Northern Line into two lines (Charring Cross Line and Bank Line) will also be necessary. It's crossing trains over at Kennington and Camden Town that stops them running trains more frequently. This extension is half the solution, as it gives TfL somewhere to get rid of trains.
Great collaboration!
Lovely little tune at the end!
Much thoughts and speculation about the line - great to see some of the questions have finally been answered!
I went exploring there yesterday, first thing I thought - No platform edge doors! Thanks for answering that!
"Station Station Station Station Station" I see your sneaky background edits Geoff ;)
Really great explanation on Clapham Junction and why it's not straightforward. It gets asked so often, I want to shout it from the rooftops!
Great news on the collaboration - looking forward to it.
Oh and nice work on the Battersea Power Station Station names on the map displayed for each question ;-)
I especially loved "All the Power Stations" and "Battersea Power Station (squared)"
geoff, as a small scooter user infrequently in London, the underground is still a nightmare to negotiate. the "step free" access map is so confusing I shall be visiting to make a video about it shortly. the problem is the gap between platform and train varies for my small wheels and also the direction of travel is signified by arrows and it means if I get off the wrong station I am stuck. some places require to request a ramp deploy by staff. My last trip 2017, was a nightmare journey although I appreciate a lot of changes have been made since then.
Tim and Geoff! great collab! And the TTT ditty!
Thanks Tim to answering the Clapham Junction question, much appreciated 😊
Great crossover or whatever that format is called. I really enjoyed that.
Chris Nix said that the platform edge doors were not put in as they are actually fire doors and that the stations on the extension have been designed so that a fire hazard on a train would not affect passengers on the platform. The anti-suicide thing is just a secondary benefit..
Surely when the JL Extension opened the rest of that line nor the stock was platform edge door compliant either..
Great to hear the “Wish You Were Here” Theme tune on a piano at the end. Haven’t heard the theme tune in years.
Simon, the music is "The Carnival" by Gordon Gilltrap, and since the late 80s was the theme tune to that programme!
It's Tim playing, and it's also the outro to all his videos. He also plays piano renditions of other theme tunes as background music at appropriate points in them. Needless to say, comments try and identify as many as they can.
That was great! Loved the Q&A style with Tim and especially his piano song at the end! :D
I really like that new Battery-powered Stacey (on)!
Love Tim's channel
I used the northern line from Waterloo to Battersea power station on the way back home from school on the 1st day if it's release of the station, unfortunate I didn't get to meet you because I love your videos man! ❤️
Geoff and Tim colab, YESSSSS!!!
Enjoyed that bit of the carnival at the end of the video
We talk about movie franchise crossovers all of the time but the TH-cam rail type channels constantly crisscrossing is the best and most wholesome.
Geoff and Tim doing a video together ❤ this is the video I've been waiting for for ages
Love the Tim piano at the end
"Too many passengers" seems, at first, like a slightly odd reason not to extend the line to Clapham Junction, although I do understand it.
Yes, I preferred Transport for London to Transport for Battersea. Clapham Junction tube would dilute foot-shuffling at Victoria and Waterloo; reducing journey times for everybody.
I don't really understand the too many passengers dilemma for potential CJ extension. Surely more connectivity allows for more options and relief on other routes as mentioned. Although Wimbledon is a less busy station than CJ, its District line terminus picks up a lot of SWR, tram and Thameslink passengers.
@@rajubabuno1 Well, they seem to be saying that a tube station at Clapham Junction would be totally inundated by passengers because Clapham Junction is such a massive station with a huge number of people, and the tube trains would be so full that no-one would be able to get on at Battersea Power Station and Nine Elms. That seems to be their argument.
@@RobinWootton Yes, I agree. I think it should be extended to Clapham Junction.
BPS paid around one quarter of the cost. It is hoped that some of the remainder will be recouped through business rates. For their £267m, BPS got a tube stop (zone 1) at their development, and in addition Wandsworth Council allowed them to build only 9% affordable homes, rather than the usual 33%. I wonder how much the tube and the reduction in affordable homes added to the value of the development....
Given the economic climate its a great that they've managed to build anything, doing it on schedule is frankly miraculous. Although some would obviously prefer to have left the area as a derelict, contaminated, post industrial plot.
@@UltimateAccuracy My issue is with the popular narrative that this extension was 'privately funded', not with the fact that it was built. Though I believe a Bakerloo extension would be a better use of public money.
Thanks you answered my question!
Geoff
It was a pleasure to meet you at Battersea PSS last week.
Thanks for answering my question for the PEDs
Yay Tim doing the questions!
Battersea Park to battersea power station is a well made osi, its a 5 minute walk which I have done. Well done to tfl on that. Nine elms to vauxhall is quite a long way still.
Nine Elms to Stockwell is Walkable.
Nine Elms to Stockwell is 1.2km and there is only one OSI which is longer (Marylebone NR - Paddington NR which is an OSI no-one uses). Nine Elms to Vauxhall is 850m. There are only 6 longer OSIs (Marylebone - Paddington, Embankment - Waterloo East, Fenchurch Street - Liverpool Street, Kings Cross - Euston and Bromley North - South are all NR requested OSIs). Only Ickenham - West Ruislip is further and agreed by TfL due to the lack of local bus services in the area.
Basically, Nine Elms to Vauxhall is further than TfL will allocate to an OSI.
I liked the outtro music, thanks Tim! :-D
Came from Tim(e) Traveller!
Nice channel you have here :)
I went and rode it today lovely stations
Nice work incorporating special guests
Awesome video Geoff and Tim, some good questions there but was surprise that there was no PEDs at the two new stations but know I do know why, Thanks.
Love the wish you were here theme tune song at the end and door access info in the video. Interesting
Thanks for doing the platform doors question. I had the answer on my clipboard for the first 3 days lol
I'm glad they haven't put any in. They make it boring and I don't like that penned-in feeling.
Thanks for answering the questions Geoff. Cant believe that there are no steps for you to have counted!
No, he carefully counted all zero of them 😉
Great Q and A Geoff as always. I've thought about this long and hard. If they did extend the Northern Line to Clapham Jun they should put half the trains to Clapham and terminate the other half at Battersea Power Station Station so that not all the Northern Line trains get over crowded, that's my best advice 👍
Omgee you are totally a train geek! Hope the civil ceremony was good fun. I made it to the party in the field but did get slightly lost in the dark!!! 😅
I think the lifts are designed for the 'Standard Reference Wheelchair' which is a hand propelled one with option for an ambulant person to accompany - which would assist the reverse when the same lift door is for entrance to lift and exit therefrom. So far as I know there is no requirement in law to accommodate larger powered wheelchairs .
Battersea PS and Nine Elms stations. Love their new escalators. When there is nobody around they go into slow motion and accelerate as soon as you get on.
I like the tune you’ve used.
Wow nice camera shot you took on this video. Like it.
A sneaky Tim rendition of the Wish You Were Here theme at the end!
Geoff! I went on my two favourite lines in one day, Victoria and Jubilee!!!
3:47 Robert Palmer and the power station LOL
Good choice of music at the end Geoff, and I can identify the track. It's a piano version of "The Carnival", by Gordon Gilltrap, and was used from the late 1980s, the original version of the tune, as the theme tune to the ITV holiday series "Wish You Were Here"!
It's also used as the outro to all Tim's videos (it's his playing)...
Nice to hear the 1990s WISH you were hear theme at the end. :D
It's The Tim Traveller's outro music! (the guy asking the questions)
Hey Geoff, an interesting video idea I think you could do is to put all of the tube stations names into a randomiser and then go to the tube station it picks and do a review on it
Awesome! Good one Geoff 👍
(Noticed you used theme tune for BBCs Holiday 89 programme 😀)
Love the Robert Palmer and the Power Station nod, clearly some like it hot....
1:27 The station names are reversed
3:01 “Station Station Station Station Station”
3:47 “Robert Palmer and the Power Station”
4:35 “All the Power Stations”
NTfL will have a different door layout. Also why heathrow terminal 5 has none. Wood lane was on an existing line and there already were place to replace them. TfL also doesn’t know how to do platform doors above ground it seems.
I like this one
"Robert Palmer and the Power Station". Love it. 😂 Also did anyone else notice when BPS Station first appeared on Google Maps, something (or someone) got a bit confused by the wording situation and it was labelled as 'Battersea Power'? Feel like sooner or later the name should just be changed to 'Battersea Central', or even simply 'Battersea'. Maybe they've given the station its rather silly current name because of all that moolah the developers put in. 🤔
One question you did not answer Geoff, is "How far beyond Battersea Power Station Station does the track extend, and what provision have they made to extend the line?"
Have they left two TBMs parked in the tunnels, pointed towards Clapham Junction, or is TFL going to need to dig a big hole close to Battersea Power Station Station to resume construction?
On different subject Geoff i went one of the new gwr train the level access doors and the big dot matrix they are brilliant. I was impressed I am partially sighted and autistic due to this I have no depth perception and very little spacial awareness. So having no step down on the platform is great
which train number is that? I travel gWr a lot with a scooter.
i was at edgware and the new stations leaftlet had a battersea power station section with nearby buses. it said the 24 came nearby but the nearest bus stops are either across battersea bridge or lambeth bridge
the fact that the maps kept changing the names behind the questions lol 😂
By the way, I have been to the newly developed Battersea Village, however, have not managed to get to the New station yet! thanks for the video 🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
The gap between the platform and the train looked a bit iffy for the small front wheels on the chair, but obviously it works.
In the immortal words of Mitch Hedberg, an escalator cannot break - it can only become stairs. Would be interesting to know the number of steps in that scenario.
well most on first day had to walk down it.
Although the bus stops outside the stations have been updated with new names, we're still waiting for change to happen on the ibus system that powers on bus announcements, displays and apps like citymapper
Just watching your pub video and The Hero Of Maida still exists
Wish you were here! Will they extend this new part of the Northern line in the future? You Battersea!
5:17 Maybe the journey times between Clapham Junction platforms and Waterloo Station Underground platforms could be made slightly faster (only by seconds) to go through the Northern Line or slower.
I did both stations on Thursday. The only 2 stations to not have a Labyrinth at all, although several are missing (West Acton's disappeared before I first visited 3 years ago, wasn't present when I visited in April either. Victoria's disappeared when they redid the ticket hall, again I went through about 3 years ago while it was being refurbished and in August it hadn't reappeared. Ickenham's is also missing but is probably related to the new lifts being added with new walkways too). But, I haven't got most of the labyrinths yet, only got around 100 so far. I am not local at all, so have to balance tube, DLR, and mainline (including TfL Rail and Overground) train riding when I visit.
They seemed very nice stations, although very "shiny metal" all over the place making it a bit nondescript.
I believe I saw somewhere that an extension to Clapham Junction would be feasible only after Crossrail 2 is finished.
It doesn't have to be Crossrail 2, nor does it have to be finished (eg out the other side of Z1, or west/south of CJ). What it does need to be is a high capacity route linking Clapham Junction and Central London.
@@sihollett so much would the Northern Line be suitable for this high capacity route?
@@Alto53 No, because the required presence of the high capacity route before extending the Northern Line to CJ is because the Northern Line isn't capacious enough to meet the demand from CJ - even at a 36tph and with new trains, the Northern line can only move 30k/hour due to small tunnels and short platforms. That's a theoretical maximum and we're looking more at the 25k/hour ball park.
Crossrail 2 was going to be 45k/hour. The Elizabeth line will be 36k/hour. Any 'tube' link to CJ needs to provide that sort of capacity to deal with boarders from CJ, and also have room for further boarders from mostly-residential stations (eg Chelsea on CR2, or Battersea & Nine Elms on Northern Line) between CJ and central stations were passengers start getting off to change onto other tube line or walk to their destination.
@@sihollett okay understood. Thanks.
@@sihollett Extend from Battersea Power Station under Queenstown Road (station and road) then under Cedars Road, with a new station on the North perimeter of Clapham Common (A3). It could then re-join the main line at Clapham South.
I always thought it would be good to have a ‘Battersea Park [West]’ stop before it goes to Clapham Junction!
Fun fact: The Tim Traveller outro music was composed by Tim himself.
While I think it is Tim's rendition of it, the song is called The Carnival and was composed by Gordon Giltrap... th-cam.com/video/TvG_SJvA_7I/w-d-xo.html
And, of course, played by Tim.
At this point I'm far more familiar with a city half way around the world (London) than some of the big cities near me.
Hmmm, so they probably won't extend to Clapham Junction, because if they did so a large number of passengers would use the service? It's a strange world.
The trains don't have the capacity to deal with the numbers of passengers that would produce.
The line does point in the direction of Clapham Junction to enable the line to be extended in the future
Can we call it the Budapest effect?
It becomes much more likely if Crossrail 2 ever gets built and passes under Clapham Junction
Interesting...🙂🚂🚂🚂
If it is extended to Clapham, I would put the station north of the junction so it serves the large housing estates there. The station could be a nice green space with allotments on one side!
Or Battersea Bridge, would be a good station name and serve the area well.
I like the Battersea Power Station Station Tube Station on the Northern Line heading North to Charing Cross on the Charing Cross branch Extenstion!
Love hearing Tim in your video, Nice twist.
Will Station Master App ever be Android.
Finding details out in advance about a station and which carriage is a nightmare.
Thanks Geoff (Plus Tim and Friend Sarah) ;-)
Thanks for your channel Geoff.
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Please do a video on chaired track. I presume it has all gone but has any been preserved.