pcpanik-Musik : Medeli AKX10 Drawbacks & Flaws (EN)
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- UPDATE 2022- Apr-25th: A new Firmware 1.3.7 has been released. It addresses the issues mentioned here. Get it at: www.medeli.com.hk/akx10
(EN) In this video I demonstrate the drawbacks and flaws I found inside the Medeli AKX10 no other TH-cam reviews mentioned.
Update #1: you’ll find a workaround for the Q.S. issue, using the Performance Memory, here:
• pcpanik-Musik : Medel...
00:00 Welcome
00:37 What's the point?
02:19 MIDI-IN Clock problem
03:20 Style recording only in CM7 (Except Intro & Ending)
05:40 Sequenzer - no voice edit
08:25 Quick Settings reset effects
14:33 some last words
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UPDATE 25. April 2022: Eine neue Firmware 1.3.7 wurde veröffentlicht. Es behandelt die hier genannten Probleme. Ladet es unter: www.medeli.com.hk/akx10
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Medeli thanks for being all in for improving their class one products. Thank you for sharing helpful information. Appreciate.
next ! 🎵
From an American, thanks for the video. I wish I could speak German as well as you speak English.
Your english is really great, don't worry about it. ☺️
What a great and useful video, you just saved me a lot of money! I do NOT use the included styles and use the style creator for my original compositions. The CM7 style limitation is deal breaker for me. I will wait for future updates before buying, I WILL NOT preform an update at home anymore, I performed an update on Korg synth and damaged the korg, now it no longer functions. I followed the instructions precisely, read them 4 times, and it failed and made my Korg dead. ( I do computer repair in OS, APP and hardware on both MAC and PC and SUN, I understand computers, have been professionally repairing and maintaining them since 1989).
Thank you for the great video !
Your English is very good 👍
Olá boa tarde
Muito obrigado pelo seu video
Também tenho o Medeli AKX10,no entanto não consigo personalizar os styles ,ao editar não consigo ir buscar instrumentos ao user,tem alguma ideia em como se faz?
Obrigado
Cumprimentos
I have read the manual of the AKx10 and cannot find any style MIDI output. I don't think it is possible to attach an external synth to play a track of the style. Example; I wish to replace the internal sound of a base with an external synth, the MIDI channel for the bass is 12, but the AKx10 will not output channel 12 from the MIDIout port??
Your English is great !! Way better than many native English speakers!!
Can you import MIDI files on the AKX10? I like to make my own drum midi files and would like to be able to import those for making a "Style".
My AKX10 just arrived and it is all clear to me, however there are two things I would like to ask you about:
1. Is it possible to change the shortcuts at the bottom of the touch screen?
2. Is it possible to turn off the bass and chord that plays on the left hand side when the style is not playing?
Thanks
Great video! I was know that this "too good to be true". Specially the flow for midi song edit... that is disappointing. And all others. I hope they will fix that and please make another video.
Hey thanks for the review i have the same keyboard can you get it loop when you record let me know cuz i cant
Thank you for all of this info & taking the time to do a comprehensive video. I am very much interested in this keyboard and perhaps,this may be asking too much from a $700 keyboard...but it is marketed as also being a workstation. Can you define this? Meaning...that does this keyboard function like a Korg Krome/Kronos in terms of song recording? Does it have loop-based pattern recording with a copy & paste function? Also...are there insert effects that can be assigned to each individual track?
I don't know where you got your information that this keyboard is marketed as a workstation. 🤷🏼♂ For me, it is clearly marketed as an Accompeniment Keyboard on the Medeli website. www.medeli.com.hk/accompaniment-keyboard
Maybe you'll take a look there, all the specifications are there too, and you can download the user manual to get more information about the functions and possibilities of the device.
how can i convert my styles sumazau sty from yamaha to medeli akx 10 from my usb pendrive? i saw this very nice better keyboard from korg pa,ek 50 n psr yamaha or genos
Hi, I just want to ask if you use the build-in speakers in AKX10 to this video. I hear ambient sound and it seems that you use the external mic in the video cam/phone cam or so whatever. The sounds you play is very nice to hear and I mildly intrigue for that.
Your English is much better than most Americans!.. Great video. Very helpful 👍
I had one that showed many flaws just after a couple of hours playing, returned it and bought a Yamaha SX600, now, I’m very happy.
what flaws?
I was considering a Medeli AKX-10 Purchase, but I would rather wait until all software updates and corrections are made first. Thanks for the info.
There were several Firmware Update released since this video was made.
@@pcpanikMusik Are thy fix the problems?
Great video, your speak english very well. I am having a problem with it saving performances. Would really love a tutorial on saving to Album and banks
Hi ,please help me ,because main not working
Have you tried to push a instrument's category button for change the instrument into the edit mode of a track ??
That makes no difference. Pressing on the category buttons sends you back to the general voice selection and out of the edit mode.
Thanks for your video. Any updates on your issues?
There are currently no new updates, both devices (Medeli AKX10, thomann AK-X1100) have firmware V01.02.07.
Hi Pcpanic-Musik. Thanks for your tutorial Lock function video . Can you get the GRANDSUIT soft ware read the MIDI files . I try several midi files it said " format error ".
I have current version v2.3.25_20210810 . Thanks
I experience the same error. Maybe you would like to contact Medeli Support? www.medeli.com.hk/contact-us
On the four [quick settings] you did not save the bank and registration, you only saved the quick settings. Will saving to a bank preserve the effects? (you probably already tried this :)
First of all, thank you for doing all this work and putting it on TH-cam! I am considering buying this keyboard and I think I can live with those very minor flaws you have described. Can you record a sequence of accompaniment (without melody, just a a sequence of intro, chords, fill-ins, chords, outro) so that the keyboard can play this backing alone once you press start, and you can then play a saxophone (or something else) along with it?
Of course you can record „songs“ and play them back. At the moment the problem is, that you cannot change the instruments used while recording afterwards. As far as I know, this issue will be fixed with the next firmware, but as long, it is like I said.
I think I understand what you are trying to do as I also do the same. Record an intro in the style without the melody. During live play, once you activate this intro , the backing music will be played while you play solo melody with right hand and with the joystick to enhance the solo part.
On Yamaha keyboards, yes, it's doable. On Medeli AKX10, I do not know yet until I get one (within next few days). As advertized the Grand Suite software allows to create custom styles, hopefully with intros/endings taken from MIDI files.
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The CM7 chord input for styles isn’t really a limitation IMO. It’s on other boards, and it’s to help with chord recognition. Have the other issues been addressed yet? I am surprised because we were initially told this might not make it to the US, but apparently it has. It has sparked some interest over here.
Korg and Casio keyboards don't limit you to C7, which makes programming much more flexible.
And Medeli itself wants to remove this restriction. This and some of the errors mentioned should be solved with a firmware update.
That's all I know from contacting support. However, the new firmware has been expected for a few weeks - it was said to be released at the end of March or beginning of April. It is currently not published. You can check it here, I guess then a red 'new' will appear after the word firmware: www.medeli.com.hk/akx10
latest firmware checked on April 21, 2022 =
[Optimizations]
V1.2.7 2021.9.1
1. Improved compatibility for accessing USB sticks.
2. Solved an issue that caused occasional boot crashes.
3. Various bug fixes and improvements.
I don't see the Cmaj7 restriction addressed.
i wonder if when you record a song and cant edit the sounds it is because it saves a MIDI program change into each channel. Maybe it embeds the piece of midi code that tells the device for example use bank 1 patch 3 which would likely be some sort of piano. Is it possible to save the song to a computer in MIDI format and look to see if there is midi program change setting at the start of the song . If so you could edit it in your computer and save back with a different program change setting? Of course I maybe completely wrong and the machine may not store a program change in it in MIDI file format. I don't own a machine yet but was going to buy 1 next Christmas. I am very use to importing a MIDI file into my Computer DAW program and having to edit or delete the MIDI data in the file that is there at the very beginning of the file and before the first notes are played. . Data usually includes a program change number and a volume setting so the individual parts like drums and piano and bass are set at volumes that sound balanced.
Thank you for your time and video. Very informative. As I said I might be completely wrong here of how the machine functions but this idea was the the first thing I thought of.
Then it would be easy for Medeli to change this point. An instrument with which I cannot change the instruments afterwards is not useful for this application. Medeli urgently needs to make improvements. Not everyone wants to use a computer as well. The keyboard should be able to do that.
@@pcpanikMusik Pcpanik, thank you so much for posting all of these videos about the AKX10. I know that you would prefer to post everything in German, so the extra effort is much appreciated. I purchased an AKX10 last week, and I emailed Medeli HK shortly thereafter to obtain a firmware update and to request that they fix the existing issues you have highlighted. I have not yet heard back from Medeli after four days, so I am getting a bit frustrated. But overall I think they have a winner in the AKX10 if they dedicate themselves to updating the firmware regularly.
@@pcpanikMusik absolutely correct no one wants that major problem. Very crazy design fault. If it was able to save to the computer at least you could investigate and see but that's Medelis responsibility.
@@bluebirdconundrum You‘re welcome. and yes, making the videos in english and with subtitle tripples the time I need.
Great little keyboard but the midi capability is wanting. It does not output style information to trigger my Proteus 2000 sounds, something that low cost Casio keyboards could easily do and which my Korg keyboards do also. Not being able to edit midi files by changing instruments or saving key transpose on midi files is also a disappointment.
Hi, where did you buy it? I’m from the USA and can’t find where to buy it, thanks
Hi, I‘m from germany an bought it here.
But maybe you can get it here: www.musicstore.com/en_US/USD/Medeli-AKX10/art-KEY0005421-000
Musicstore is a german store from cologne with international shipping.
I’m frustrated by the interface on the AKX10. I’ve saved settings in a Performance Memory, but now it doesn’t load and the PM button simply won’t light up. Selecting a memory bank does nothing. Ugh!
That's strange. I assume that you know what you are doing. Hold the "Store" button and then the PM button. The PM button must flash to confirm.
Do you have the latest firmware installed? V01.02.07?
@@pcpanikMusik Thanks, I did manage to figure it out. Danke!
You're welcome.
On the Sequencer Mode. You metioned not being able to change instruments AFTER recording. Have you tried deleting or re-recording that specific track using the instrument that you want? Just curious. Thank you!
Please note that this video is quite old and there have already been two firmware updates. I have created follow-up videos for this.
Deleting any control settings or program change at the start of the track will allow you to change sound on most workstations.
hi, have they updated all the flaws? How do we know medely has updated Those who has this medely already how are they going to update this flaws via new firmware?
www.medeli.com.hk/akx10 There is always a description with any firmware update, what is fixed/changed. Please also refer to my newer Videos.
CM7 style creation? So if I want to create a style from a blank style...and....I wish to make a bass guitar line...I can only use the 4 notes of a CM7 chord to build a bass line? That is too limiting. What about a work-around (alternate plan) by using the phrase pad to create the base line of notes in the Cmajor scale (7 total choices in notes) and have the option of the phrase follow the chord changes; will that work? (I currently own a Casio MZx500, I don't have any limitations EXCEPT, when I am programming a style with 32 measures, the Casio will run out of memory with just two intros and 2 four measure variations and fills. The Casio instrument sounds are very bad, the same used in the XWP1 and the WK7600. The output stage is very bad and distort very easily.) So I was looking at a Yamaha PSR700, but it may have the same CM7 style creation limitation. Now what?
I owned the MZ-X500 as well (two of them) and had the same experience. Bad natural voices and a lot of problems, caused by too less CPU power. I went over to Korg Pa1000. Very good voices, very good programmable, but missing some features from the CASIO, like copy/paste in the step editor and no programmable arpeggiator.
Yep, at the moment the AKX works like any other Yamaha, you are limited to CM7 for all Main Parts, except the Intros/endings.
Medeli announced a FW Update for April, which should break those limitations.
@@pcpanikMusik Thank you for the verification of the Casio limitations. In 2022 running out of memory for MIDI pattern sequencing is unforgivable. MIDI needs only 1/1000 the memory of audio. It would seem as always the limitations of each choice in keyboard instruments must be solved by adding another keyboard and using them in combination together in sinc with a MIDI cable....but....again not until the MIDI clock error is fixed. Very frustrating this arranger market. I own the Casio WK7600, Korg MicroArranger, and the Casio MZx500, all with severe limitations to creating music with our own styles and edited instruments. Maybe the KorgPA is the answer, it has the best style creator I have seen yet, and even my MicroArranger has excellent sounds though dated from about the year 2000 and the Triton sound engine.
Lovely video.
I just recently bought a very lightly used Medeli AKX10 and really like it, but I am having a couple of issues:
1. The LEDs around the three control knobs aren't working - the left two are completely off, and on the third one ("Volume") only the last two LED segments work. The knobs themselves work fine so it's not a big issue. The keyboard is almost brand new so I was wondering if this isn't a software bug - have you experienced something like this?
2. This is actually more annoying - whenever I switch off the instrument, the Mixer and most of the Global settings are reset - for example, I decrease the volume of the style, and after restart, it is back to default 95. Also some of the Global effects like Reverb are reset to their default stage. Is this the way the keyboard is supposed to work, or am I missing something?
First, I would recommend to install the new Firmware: th-cam.com/video/AQ6CchPA-Rc/w-d-xo.html
After this not all settings will be reset after power off. But in fact: this ist the way how a lot of keyboards work. You have to store your personal setting inside a "Performance Memory". E.g. Bank 01, Memory 01.
I have no problems with the hardware so far. There was a bit of rattling going on, but this could be easily fixed. If your LEDs ar dead, I would ask the original dealer for a replacement in terms of warranty.
@@pcpanikMusik Thanks a lot for your input! I'm already on the latest firmware, I guess I need to get used to how the keyboard works - this is my first "proper" arranger, coming from a PSR-E463. I'm working around it exactly as you suggested, using Bank 01 - Mem. 1 for my "default" start setting.
I think it was thought like that from medeli because it is written like that in the manual
in the styles to be created, only the intro and the end can have all the notes, the main are just the notes of the C7M chords
In the sequence it's the same, medeli has chosen that we cannot change the sounds, we can record with all the sounds L R1 R2 R3 and pad but we cannot change them when it is recorded
for the quick setting, the concern is that you can not choose the user sounds that were created with the effects.
it must be reported to medeli and request a modification of the firmware, this must be possible
You're right, I should have said it a bit more clear, that the CM7 limitation is only suitable for the MAIN Parts, not the Intros and Endings. But as I said, it ist not a flaw. Just a drawback.
But that you cannot change Instruments after Recording a sequenzer-song, or of imported MIDI-Files ist a game-stopper, in my opinion.
@@pcpanikMusik yes I think we should report it to medeli because it would be one more argument against the competition if everything was solved in a new firmware
@@olivierchanteurfrancais2764 www.medeli.com.hk/contact-us
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@@pcpanikMusik yes I already wrote, that's how I got the new firmware when I bought my keyboard
A new firmware is now available. April 25th 2022. medeli akx10 firmware update V1.3.7 2022.4.21
What are the improvements?
@@just_curi0us V1.3.7 2022.4.21
1. Added portamento time Fixed mode in Sound Edit.
2. Enabled Sound Edit for expansion sounds.
3. The function selections of the pedals will be saved when power off.
4. The Octave settings of R1, R2 and R3 now can be changed simultaneously by using
[Short Cut +] and Octave buttons.
5. Added Keyboard/Style volume balance option in [Controller] - [Knob] - [Master].
6. A new Style Edit function: opened all channel mapping and chord options, and most of the
parameters can be changed while auditioning during playback, etc.
[Optimizations]
1. Fixed an issue that sometimes the tempo setting from MIDI IN was less by 1 BPM.
2. Fixed an issue that the style playback speed was sometimes affected by USB stick access.
3. Improved USB Audio compatibility with some Android systems.
4. MIDI IN notes to keyboard parts can now be controlled by panel Part ON/OFF buttons, and
Octave, Transpose settings.
5. MIDI IN notes to chord part can now be controlled by panel Chord ON/OFF button.
6. Improved the switching rules for half bar fill in playback.
7. Fixed an issue that the style of a merged expansion pack sometimes cannot be called from
Album.
8. Enlarged the touch response area of the track names in Mixer.
9. Other various improvements and bug fixes.
@@WildernessMusic_GentleSerene Thank you!
I wish you can purchase a psr-e473 and test it. Its very cheap bit seems to be very fun and capable
You should buy it, test it, and make some videos about it. 👍
I'm between akx10 and Yamaha psr sx 600 (that means I wanna get something in this range budget) . If u have tried them both u have any suggestions? p.s very informative video
That depends a lot on your needs in my opinion. However, I don't own an SX600, if you are primarily concerned with the sound quality of the Voices, you should look for the sound comparison in other videos. What I heard there seems to be pretty similar, although the Yamaha may sound a little better here and there with its current Sweet and Cool Voices.
But on a technical level, the SX600 is left behind. No touch display, e.g. A touch display accelerates and simplifies operation massively. Only 2-Layer-Voices for the right hand. The Medeli offers 3-Layer-Voices. Even the old Korg Pa300 already has 3-Layer-Voices.
On the other hand, the SX600 costs a few $ less.
The Medeli also offers a sophisticated lock function, which I will introduce in an upcoming video.
If you want to work with MIDI files and the sequencer, the Medeli is not well suited in its current state. Whether and what will change is now up to Medelei. If and when they will change something about that, I cannot give you an answer.
But I can't say anything about the built-in MIDI sequencer or the recording function of the SX600, also.
@@pcpanikMusik very helpful thanks
@@pinokio82 I bought an AKX10 but am returning it due to some defects. I will now be buying a Yamaha SX700.
@@Papirind26 Ouch..it wasn't something major but still.. Although medeli gives functions that u only get when u spent over 1500$ for an instrument... well tell me your opinion when you try the yamaha.
@@pinokio82 Also two keys on the AKX10 started making clunky noise just within few hours of use after taking it out of the box! which gave me a bad impression about its durability. Yamaha is solid I have owned one before a PSR 640 and it lasted 20 years without problems only few months ago one key stopped working otherwise no issues in 20 years!
[Optimizations]
V1.2.7 2021.9.1
1. Improved compatibility for accessing USB sticks.
2. Solved an issue that caused occasional boot crashes.
3. Various bug fixes and improvements.
This is the firmware I used to create this video. The new one is expected for this month. We'll see what's fixed in it.
Sir fyi presets are non editable
Кто то подскажет ,как в него установить новые звуки,почему ни кто про это не говорит,ведь это самое главное.
Hi. I also ordered a Medeli AKX10 and have decided to return it for a full refund under their 30days return policy. Anyway, in my case after just a few hours of playing, I noticed two note keys a white and a black one started making a clunky noise, which straight away gave me a very bad impression about the durability of this keyboard. Also I noticed the 3 assignable buttons on the left side above the joystick were messing up - for example when I would press the 1st button the 2nd button would also light up when they should operate independently, and the only way I could make this issue go away was to restart the keyboard, so it definitely has some bugs! Once I get my refund issued I have decided I will be buying a Yamaha PSR-SX700. Their build quality is solid from my experience of owning one in the past which was a PSR 640, It lasted 20 years without problems - only couple months ago 1 white key stopped working out of 61!
Your right hand the psr640 lasted forever, and also has the psr1500 which lasted about 15 years now I own the sx900 and Genos
I always preferred Yamaha, I heard this medeli keyboard and I've tested side by side with my sx900 the medelli doesn't live up to the hype there are lots of bugs I wouldn't recoment it
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Could you comment in english, please? I don‘t understand your comment. Not even with the google translation.
Thank you! Your English is very good from this born in America perspective. (but my mother was born in Hamburg. Not that it would help me ha ha :)
You have acceptably good English. It is almost a waste, however. The Medeli brand keyboard is not sold in the US. Very good, informative video. Liked.
Thank you. This german store from cologne will deliver it to US:
www.musicstore.com/en_US/USD/Medeli-AKX10/art-KEY0005421-000
The Medeli brand is definitely sold in the US I have purchased several I have purchased the SP 4200 stage piano and the AW 830 workstation
@@paulhess7408 Well, I think I'll go for something cheap at first. Like a Casio CT-X700. When I learn a little finger control, I was thinking a SL88 Grand with a Mixface to get finger strength and do a little composing. When I'm ready for an arranger, I'm looking at the Yamaha DGX670. But, for about the same kind of money, the AKX10 seems like a much better deal. I'll seriously consider it if they address some of the flaws noted in the video.
Has any of these issues been fixed yet?
Medeli has announced a big firmware update for end of March / early April, we will then see what has been fixed and improved. (The list I've seen was really long)
@@pcpanikMusik Hi, did Medeli issue the update as they promised? Are the issues resolved now? We are thinking of buying this for our church. How did you find the customer support from Medeli? Are they responsive and helpful?
@@ssunny9467 th-cam.com/video/AQ6CchPA-Rc/w-d-xo.html
Has this keyboard Indian sounds like santoor, benjo, harmonium, vibraphone, fantacia, swarmandal, harmonium,sitar and Indian style
No Indian styles found by me. There are some Indian and Japanese instruments inside, but I don't think it's designed for the Indian market. If you take a look inside the Manual you can find a list of all sounds, styles, songs.Maybe the Medeli A2000 is different?
It has Santur
А клавиши ,которые нужно постоянно мазать ибо они начинают трещать и скрипеть,это ужасно .
Thx for the English bro. I'm looking to buy the Thomann AK-X1100, which is exactly the same as the Medeli!!!!!
Hope it doesn't have any problems.
Thx for this information!
Thanks for the tip ! It is also cheaper. Do you have any feedback ?
@@daker67 nothing, not a thing. I put that on hold as I don't have enough information on the Thomann unit. So I got the i3 Korg workstation for now.
I'm still definitely interested in the
AK X1100 but will wait till others get it and share their opinion...
Here are some informations: th-cam.com/video/GV5SVnHRosY/w-d-xo.html
Here are some informations: th-cam.com/video/GV5SVnHRosY/w-d-xo.html
@@leftymadrid ..how do you like the Korg i3? Are the styles and sounds better? What about sequencer, etc?
All bad features are the same as Yamaha. 😃
Let's hope Medeli will listen and make changes because Yamaha does nothing actually. 🙂
You can see in further videos, that the actual firmware made improvements over this one and over Yamahas CM7 only Style editor. It’s still not perfect but way better.
And Medeli said, that there will be more to come.
Hi
Because it is made in china?
Korg i3
Save youre money to buy the original , Yamaha SX700 . its worth yo pay a little more .
Yeahhh.. I'm agree . 👍👍
Don’t complain for that price! No offense!
What is wrong to show mistakes and problems? (What is not a complaint.) Do I have to accept something because the keyboard was cheap? After all, it is not a cheap product. Apart from that, the manufacturer is very trying to solve the problems quickly and professionally and we expect a new firmware for April 2022. If one would not draw attention to the manufacturer, maybe nothing would happen. Medeli wants to play with the big guys. And so far I can tell by my experiences that the support works excellent.
AKX10 was too good to be true. I'll stick with my proven Roland Fantom X6.
Did you really just compare a flagship, for 2008, to a low cost arranger?
@@rjakiel73 ehem, 2004 flagship. Fantom man since the S.
Hello There, How can i contact you!