Jonny Lieberman (MOTOR TREND) - TST Podcast
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- Jonny Lieberman is the Senior Features Editor at MOTOR TREND and the host of Head-2-Head. He shows up with a delicious bottle of whiskey (as is tradition) and he and Matt talk about G Wagens, new hyper cars, the future of the car, and have a very loud discussion about Tesla.
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The score board during the Tesla discussion was amazing. Zack deserves a medal.
This made me laugh so much.
100% LOL This episode is amazing.
Not sure what they are scoring besides whos winning the argument. What puts points on the board?
That's the reason why he's working full time for Matt now! :)
Farah is a extremist liberal who hates Musk
Jonny brings up tesla*
Matt: peace was never an option
Hahahaha
@@zackklapman3569 vfg fbg t
"I think we're having a heated agreement" 😂
"Jesus is coming back, your timeline is just off." BRO HAHAHAHA, f*cking best podcast ever
That Tesla discussion was something special, love it.
Now we need Jason on
Bring on Hyphen as well
@@brandonherrera2891 That would be fantastic!
@@brandonherrera2891 Either Johnny or Matt referred to Hyphen as "some kid" when talking about Cammisa and Hyphen picking up that Alfa in LA for Hyphen's dad.
Jason would’ve won the Tesla debate
@@M67v Lol ⚰️
Rip to johnnys mom and homie❤️
The Tesla thing starts at 1:37:00 -ish ( I went back like a min or so)
1:46:00 Zach goes crazy whitenessing this debate
The score board was hilarious. I was dying laughing when that popped up. .... all that said... tesla is a ponzi scheme
No I wasn't excitedly waiting for this upload to hear the entire Tesla argument
Of course not
1:38:09 is my favorite part
I'm giving Matt the W on the Elon Musk thing until the end of time, lmfao what a beautiful shitshow, never change y'all.
Well, maybe Jonny can change a little ;)
Matt: Rolling blackouts in this city for a while .... Johnny: Thats a fixable problem. ..... yeah, that no one is even trying to addressing. forgetting the whole charging electric cars. I am with matt the infrastructure needs massive overhaul before the electric car takes off. Points to Zach for the scoreboard, lol
Preface the electric car "taking off" comment in the thought of it would make sense to actually outlaw the internal combustion engine cars.
doesnt need an overhaul, they decommissioned perfectly serviceable natural gas power stations as a political exercise, with no regard for grid demand. Fixing it would be as easy as restarting the gas plants, but that would defeat the politicians virtue signaling.
And few are wanting to look at the fact the only way to get to the kind of power generation we need, we'll HAVE to build additional nuclear generators.
"Oh we'll just throw money at solar and wind"
Admirable but on a power per cubic foot per hour, solar and wind just isn't going to get us there.
@@amagine1 Also, solar and wind energy require lots of energy or oil and plastic to produce. The question wether it even makes sense still remains. For wealthy countries with very little population density like some countries in scandinavia it's not a problem but in most other countries we're talking about something like a 30-50 year project, depending on how much the country can invest it might take a lot longer or it will take tons of ressources to complete, at that point you have to question wether it would be more benefitial for the planet if you just planet a billion trees instead of spending like 100 billions per couple of small countries on renewable energy while nuclear energy in the western world is pretty safe from what I know. All those countries talking about no ICE cars past 2035 are burning coal to power their EVs. You can just say given enough time we will fix everything but look around you, no major government is fixing ANYTHING for their people whatsoever, they only offer customer support for the lobbys and industry. I'm 100% sure that not a single billionaire in my country (we have a lot) will pay a single taxdollar which will go into renewable energy, remember a billionaire like Trump only has to pay about 750$ annual income tax IIRC so all of this nonesense would be paid by the people, us, and we wouldn't get anything from it because like I said you can't trust your government to make reasonable decisions, they only make profitable or corrupt decisions, and if it's better for our planet to plant a billion trees and rely on nuclear energy then there's not even any point in investing and caring this much about it. We could just pay people to plant trees, there's enough people without jobs, the fact that this idea never even comes up in official debates shows that we don't really care. They just pretend to care and use global warming to distract us from more important problems like corruption... sure I should care about our planet but how can I care about the planet while I ignore the fact that all of my politicians and lobbys couldn't care less about the environment and will keep 100 year old coalrunner engines going as long as they make profits off of that? In my opinion this means we can't even begin to take care of our planet before we are capable of making laws without interference from lobbys and corrupt suits.
I didn't even adress the fact that nothing about EVs will work in asia either, it might work for 1-5% of the people living there but poor people won't be able to afford EVs, nobody will be able to build EV infrastructure in an overpopulated city and there are at least 50 overpopulated cities in asia which are inhabited by at least 500 million people or so, so at best EVs will only be for the rich and for western people and we will dump our ice cars in the third world? This just makes it more obvious what EVs really are, a simple luxury product. Sure, efficiency is important, but go ahead and try to convince an average person in asia, africa or south america why the efficiency of your 1000$ phone and 100000$ car is essential for them. Good luck.
I wonder if Matt has talked to the designer of the SSC tuatara about their little controversy yet?
SSC Tuatara did a fake top speed? Will you address these allegations?
This was recorded weeks ago
Matt been talking about it on twitter.
I believe the car went that fast, but the telemetry equipment was wrong, that happens sometimes. I know the test driver was terrified, so it was fast enough I’m sure
I didn’t grow up in a house where my parents argued like this. It’s giving me this weird combination of hilarious entertainment and chest clinching anxiety 😂
Matt, that was an unbelievable dissection of a very weak argument without a coherent point. The lack of logic and inability to see past the hype is the reason I can’t stomach reading Motor Trend. Well done!
Jonny always taking the losing team and willing to die for them. I don’t understand his unwillingness to listen to a reasonable point and maybe use a tiny amount of critical thought to analyze it. And then he keeps trying to cut off Matt when he is speaking complete sense…..
Exactly. It’s like he’s not even listening, he’s just waiting for his turn to talk.
"The best whiskey is: the whiskey you like to drink, how you like to drink it."
Best stonking debate for a long time.
So good to have a vigorous and testing debate on Tesla and Musk.
Magnificent bastard!
I think Johnny is confusing credits sold to auto manufacturers with credits individuals can take when they buy a new electric vehicle.
god this tesla rant is good
OH BOY! I’ve been less than patiently waiting for Zach to upload this one. I missed half of the live stream because I had a previously scheduled Zoom call. Lol 😁
wait until the tesla fight! hahahahaha
Studies showed water brings out flavor in bourbon. But drink it how you like it.
The second the score card went up during the Tesla argument I lost it. 😂😂
Matt doesn't understand Price/Equity ratios arent the only part of a valuation. Amazon didn't make money for over 10 years and the stock soared to a valuation of over 100 billion. Tons of huge companies follow this same path. The valuation of a company also incorporates future projections for profitability - again see AMZN. The AMZN bet for 10 years was hey, we're not profitable now, but we will be in the future. Thats the TSLA bet as well. Next, TSLA made 500 million on selling renewable credits in 2019, but that was part of 12 billion in revenue - so the idea that they only make their money on government subsidy is horseshit. Matt is clearly emotionally compromised by his personal hatred of Elon.
Matt is right about Tesla.
I like Jonny Lieberman but he is wrong on this one. Tesla selling more cars than audi+merc+bmw? You are WAY off on that one. Stop drinking Tesla kool-aid.
Where is the Roadster? Delayed by 2+ years at least...
Where is the Cybertruck + ATV?
Where is the SEMI?
Where are the robo-taxis?
Where is the level 5 FSD? level 3 automation at best...
Now he promisses Model S Plaid, "$25k electric car" and improved battery tech.
Cant wait to see what he promisses next quarters.
I love how people defend it to death.
Musk is using the silicon valley business model. Hype everything to death.
This episode was amazing. Nearly died laughing at the scoreboard popping up.
god damn that tesla argument was intense. loved it too
The water from the melting ice opens up the whiskey taste. Lieberman's wrang.
Tension gets high at around 1:35:00
Matt triggered by Tesla or Elon talk is hilarious
Matt triggered by tesla
I don't know how plausible this is, but we need Jarod Shelby on the podcast. This whole business with the SSC Tuatara run possibly being faked needs to be explained.
The only way he would come on is if they didnt fake it. But unless they have substantial proof, that doesnt seem likely.
Don’t want to beat the dead horse (also because I’m a vegan) but saying that Californian electricity generation is green when 45% of its production comes form fossil natural gas... 🤔
Matt, I love your podcast. But that was a little uncomfortable to watch-felt more like arguing with a guy at a bar than a guest on your show. Hopefully you guys had a chance to talk after. Love having Jonny on your show.
It was the scotch, Matt is kind of confrontational to begin with and add liquor and it brings it all to the surface
I have respected Matt and his channel for a long time and appreciate his social awareness of things in general. I am also a old school car guy who has loved cars since I was a kid. I used to be a brand manager for Lotus and McLaren!! I am also not a Tesla Fanboy. Just somebody who is heavily invested in a company who is going to be at the forefront of the largest technological disruption of industry the world has ever seen in the next 10 years, and therefore very heavily researched in Tesla. He states that he has his eyes open to this but he is extraordinarily misguided with the actual depths of what is going on at the company and seems to have fallen victim to the fossil fuel industry sponsored media bias that has happened constantly over the last 10 years. Elon is not a fool or a thief or a charlatan. Startups that are attempting to disrupt industry always have to rely on investor injection for the sake of growth in early years while not being profitable. The exact same thing happened with Amazon and people questioned their share value and lack of profitability for years. Tesla also doesn't "rely" on the regulatory credits to be profitable. If you actually look at their 10Q you can see that they are aware that money is being injected and therefore have an opportunity to pour more than they would otherwise be able to into further Capex and growth. They also recently represented gross automotive profitability of 27.7% whereas the usual auto company is lucky if they generate 2 - 5%. Furthermore, the US government subsidizes fuel to the tune of Trillions with a "T" dollars a year so people don't have to pay $15 a gallon at the pump. It is certainly ironic that yes, Elon needs to fly frequently but at least he is doing so to try and transition the world faster towards sustainable energy. I am sure if he could do it more sustainably he would do so. Calling people who are fans of Tesla, cultists is just dismissive ignorance. I understand people need to be objective in their opinions but I have been to many car club gatherings over the years and you could label any groups of enthusiasts, a little cultish if you wanted. Porsche club people are no exception and I love Porsches. I will be buying one soon. Regardless, Matt is very mis-informed and has the wrong idea about Tesla as a company and Elon, I think, as a person. I just think he is a socially awkward guy, certainly on the spectrum, that is relatively aspirational so therefore a little late on some promises but generally just wants to do good overall. I understand Matt will never look into things in as much detail as I have however if he had read as many articles, listened to as many quarterly conference calls and listened to many well respected well informed TH-camrs (like Sandy Munro or Rob Maurer) as I have he would understand that if he continues with his opinions publicly like he does, he is going to regret it in future and be on the wrong side of history.
Absolutely, and I hope you enjoy your Porsche that you’re getting. What kind is it?
+1 .. "If Herr Zack goes Apple watch. . We're not going to see him." .. Too funny! . The Apple (computer) watch is for D-bags ... Cheers, Vail, Colorado
@fakezackklapman you're the real MVP for tossing up the scoreboard... I made the "I can't breathe" noise from laughing so hard.
Kick it grape lady!
While I disagree w Matt politically, I do appreciate his picking apart the Tesla business model and what he's exposed over the last year or so. That said....damn, my man is INVESTED in his position! Thought he was coming across the table a couple times....scoreboard = RAD.
An important point glossed over during the Tesla viability debate was; if you don't make enough profit off your product to sustain the business, and your stock value is sustained by bringing in more investors, then you're paying shareholders with other shareholders money= Ponzi Scheme.
The point they both failed to mention, and is probably the most significant to Tesla's survival in the vehicle manufacturing business, is the effect of legacy manufacturers moving into the EV space. This scenario has played out repeatedly the industry. They will build vehicles at a profit immediately, that are comparable, and cheaper. When Tesla shareholders realize this, they will migrate. This is where the real problems begin because Tesla will have to actually buy those shares. Which is where the Ponzi Scheme is typically realized, unfortunately for the investors...
Even as a Tesla lover the debate and the points Matt was making was sooooo funny
and lowkey uncomfortable
matt was right with in the elon musk conversation
What's up with the video quality? Is it because it's broadcasted live? Doesn't seem that good...
Cheap whiskey + Elon Musk = Volume 😂
I liked the part where Johnny LITERALLY MADE UP SHIT ON THE SPOT about Tesla sales numbers. Can't trust a word he says now
That’s a lot of Tesla lovers too.
This illustrates why you shouldn't get a Whiskey sponsor for your podcast.
You mean should right?
@@_chipchip Exactly! Matt, Zack make it happen!
Why is matt so concerned about Tesla being fraudulent?
It's doesn't fckin matter anyone except the investors and who cares about investors who pay for obviously over priced stocks?
Calm down matt, we know ur jealous about elon getting all the money, everyone is, until he gets arrested
The Tesla discussion was great! Loved the passionate back and forth :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice Sinn! I got a boner when you brought up LS swaps, planning to LS swap my 86.
Let your advertisers know the length of their host read ads are annoying as $#@$
Honestly, this is nearly unwatchable.
How about time stamps?
The watch shop they're talking about is in a VERY unassuming building. Not what you imagine a "luxury" watch shop being.
love a good lieberman argument
It was fun but he had a few false "facts" so his argument was weak.
Matt, props on everything you have accomplished, really impressive. But you gotta stop interrupting or talking over your guests, especially if you are just saying idle shit.
The Tesla conversation was the best. Love the scoreboard
Maybe this analogy helps with the way Matt drinks bourbon. Imagine that every car Matt drives on the track is speed limited to 60mph, so Yes, you'd still be able to experience 0-60, braking hard, etc. Now imagine how many experiences you;d be missing out on? (LOTS). Ice can be like that to whisky, it can suppress flavor and prevent the whishky from stretching its legs.
Fucking died of laughter when Zack put 58 to 53 in favor to Matt on the screen LOL
Audio only listeners missed out
I wish Matt would have explained the Ponzi Scheme better. He did in another pod cast (I think JRE) and explained the pre order situation. On a car that is a prototype and the way they can turn over a running car in almost no time because of the "skateboard" type building.
He went over it on the Chris Harris podcast.
Basically Tesla builds a prototype -- lets call it the Model B -- and sets a $100 refundable deposit saying it'll be here in 4 years, and then takes the sum of those deposits and goes to their investors saying "I have so and so amount of orders for this new thing! Give me money to build them!" and then Tesla takes that money to fulfil the orders for the last thing they promised, Model A.
And when it comes time to actually build the Model B, they put out a prototype for a Model C and use the deposits + investor money to build Model B. And so on and so forth.
The $100 deposit is low enough that somebody can Apple Pay that easily from their phone, and by the time the people who put a "deposit" down change their mind on it in 3 years, that $100 is long forgotten.
I think Matt's issue with Tesla is the way they use the hype for new orders to pay for the release of the last order. The Teslas are fine vehicles but Jesus folks, don't give Elon money for something that you can't have right then and there.
Give him money for the thing when it's released. Not as a deposit that he'll use to shoddily and hastily push out the previously promised model.
Lol @ Zack's fucking scoreboard! Absolute GOLD!
You guys should drink for an hour before every podcast. Then when it comes on you can be buzzed like hour and thirty five minute mark.
EDIT: Now the score board. Then it just starts running it up. Good job Zack. Im laughing my ass off.
2 years later, and it looks like Matt was right about Tesla.
Seems like Johnny Lieberman is a Tesla fanboi. Not surprised considering he thinks Hennessey isn’t a scammer.
How is Hennessy a scammer?
I bought a GT350 over an M2 Comp. I do not regret my decision, though I'd get a used M2 Comp as a second car because it's a little more comfortable on the daily, the torque down low is nice, and the sound system is better. The GT350 is an absolute animal and a riot every time I drive it, haven't driven a modern/new car that's as much fun for under $80k that wasn't a Lotus Evora 400.
You can’t beat that flat plane sound. Love both cars as well.
Shoulda got a genesis GV80 poser
THAT Tesla/Elon argument was something great! 🥃
Loved how the Jonny brought whisky made the the conversation combustion mixture richer!
I really did have the Fury Road image in my mind while listening to both of you, you know when in the movie they blow fuel into the intake of the engines while driving a 100 mph on gravel hahahahah 🤣 epic dude
Keep fighting against Elon and Tesla’s bullshit while rightly keeping your opinions about their products themselves independent
What an epic soaked conversion 🥃🥃🥃🥃🥃🥃
Resistance is the size of the hose, volts is the pressure of the water!
Only reason people get stuff from the lot rather then ordering one is basically time. You can get one that day but then it might not have what you want
Matt came way too hard during the Tesla debate. Kind of awkward.
I enjoyed it. It was fun.
Really awkward
He just personally hates Elon, so it comes out whenever he talks Tesla
I think Matts's points about Tesla are valid. Johnny brings things up some valid and some not but that was a decent conversation
I hope he reminds us the type r never overheated.
Well Jonny said that the Cadillac ATS and the Jaguar XE are better than the BMW 3 series and the Mercedes C class, so how much can we really respect his opinion 😂
start a new podcast called "drink and listen" and then youll start getting press bottles of booze! hahaha what a life hahaha
Did Matt give reasons why Elon is a bad person?
yes, did you not listen. He brings up that Elon to government grant money and has yet to deliver on what he promised. Also Elon claims to fight for green practices but flies in his private jet 250 times a year.
Matt won the Tesla argument.
If only Jason Cammisa was part of that Tesla discussion
Matt argues like a child. He says so much that’s incorrect then comes across like someone who thinks raising their voice means they’re winning the argument.
The Brown kicks in around the 1hr40 mark.🥃
Thanks for the constructive destruction of tesla cult Matt. 1:35:00
Driving electric cars is not greener than petrol cars, when the electricity is generated by burning wood, coal, oil or gas.
Fuck electric cars but there is a easy way to fix that
During battery day Elon said in the future he sees it actually being more cost efficient to mine or recover lithium from used battery’s than to mine it from the ground and already is integrating that into the business model going forward so not only does this create a solution for used battery’s but also the issue of mining lithium. How it all shakes out is still to be seen but if your following the industry of evs and batter tech it’s pretty obvious this is part of the future, not a legitimate reason to not buy own or operate a ev.
The Tesla discussion had me rolling. Jonny is loving the Tesla dream.
Loved Elon/Tesla part of this.
Can confirm “the Brown” JTS Brown is $19.99 in Indiana! Good stuff!
Didn't Matt almost say he was going to buy a Tesla Model 3 at the beginning, then he went and bagged on the company for 30 minutes 🤣
Well his point is you can love the product, but hate the practices of the company. Take football 🏈, best sport ever, but the NFL is a horrible organization
I have paid attention to both of these guys as car journalists for years, but Johnny just got OWNED by Farah. Owned!!
Matt had a lot of very valid points on the Tesla argument but it is a bit hard to be well articulated half a bottle of scotch in.
Teslas stock price is indeed over inflated, but to be fair stocks are to an extent still a product, meaning that their price is still controlled by supply and demand. That said a company's value is not only reflected by its profits, but by all its assets and the main asset that has been driving their increase in value is their technology.
Moreover, their stock strategy is a typical tech company/silicon Valley strategy. They know it is overinflated but they are benefitting from it, so they have no interest to do anything about it. They just hope they won't run into troubles which would lead to a crush of their stock. And even by that time the big holders will b have probably unloaded their stocks discreetly.
Their biggest advantage against all old school car manufacturers is that their infrastructure and technology development is more in line of that of more agile technology/software companies and can therefore develop things much faster. However the old dogs are catching up slowly to this organisational model and they will soon be giving them a very good run for their money. Their first real battlefield will be in Europe where I think, the Germans (and to a lesser extent, the French ) will completely close the market door to them. Therefore, it would honestly not surprise me if Tesla gets bought off eventually by one of the big US manufacturers.
I understand where Matt's coming from with regard to Elon musk, but he's one of those dudes that's legitimately doing so many incredible things that I can't hold him using a private jet or even the government credits against him. The Tesla model 3, at least last time I checked, is now the best selling luxury car in the entire world. His charging infrastructure, which he's probably going to start licensing out to others, is single-handedly going to make the prospect of buying electric car something that makes a fuck ton of sense for everybody. SpaceX is now the world leader in the utility of space travel. I really don't think he does enough wrong to outweigh everything he does right. Matt seems to have some very weird visceral reaction to him and I don't quite understand it.
Always thoroughly enjoy these when Jonny's on. Really cool and fun dude. Really enjoyed the deep dive into Musk's scumbaggery. Very intense conversation.
*angry Matt* BRO!
Man, I could spend hours watching these two arguing
How thisss dude even claims to be an expert in cars is seriously laughable! Johnny should stick to booze and leave the auto game like ASAP. Embarrasses himself once again.
bro that scoreboard @ 1:44:25 :p
Cheap good whiskey can lead to heated agreements haha
the passion from Matt regardless of what it is that he talks about is amazing. biggest part of why I love this podcast. Matt doesn't half arse anything.
Hands down the best TST podcast yet.
Definitely can't one up Matt
Trump didn't start a new war. I'd say that's good enough.
He didn’t do shit except talk out his ass. He’d be way worse if he weren’t also incompetent
@@nathanchildress5596 at least he didn't create the prison industrial complex, or take money from China and Russia for political favors like Biden and Obama. But you're right saying mean things on Twitter is a far worse crime. Walking across the dmz in North Korea was an impressive accomplishment. Literal peace in the middle east not enough? He didn't execute a 16 year old american kid at a restaurant in Yemen like Obama Biden. Or how about the slave trade in north Africa created by the Obama Biden wars. Or creating and funding ISIS. Oh no Trump was a dick on the internet.
Wow. Johny was so fucking wrong on this one it was hard to watch. I think Matt typucaly goes in too far ln tesla, but he was 1000% right on this one
What up everbudddyyyy. Matts right. end of story
Jonny is horrible at listening and staying on topic in arguments.. He just fails hardddd.
Matt gained so much respect from the video. Literal facts.
Stop the podcast at 1 hour 40 minutes. Goes off the rails. Moving on