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My guess is that the reason the Sarkhan doesn't take loyalty damage while being a dragon is because it's different from walkers with similar abilities. For example, on Gideon, Battle-Forged, Gideon's 0 ability says "Until end of turn, Gideon, Battle-Forged becomes a 4/4 Human Soldier creature with indestructible that's still a planeswalker" whereas this Sarkhan has no such "still a planeswalker" part on his +1. I guess since he isn't a planeswalker anymore, he can't take that hit to his loyalty counters, whereas a creature with the "still a planeswalker" would have to remove loyalty counters (assuming they don't have any "prevent all damage that would be dealt to it" abilities like the Gideons usually do).
Really have been surprised it somehow slipped by. It's actually a huge difference, and is very relevant. People tend to overrate this card a lot, because they think he can target himself, but in the end it's a 4/4 for 3 that can't block. Sure, you can attack with it every turn, but opponent will likely kill it with damage, and it dies to Ob-Nixilus cruelty. A lot of removal in the set can actually kill him pretty easily, and he doesn't really snowball like some other planeswalkers. So I wouldn't give him anything above A-, maybe even B+.
He snowballs if you have a proliferate deck. He keeps any +1/+1 counters and proliferate will hit his loyalty and his counters. So you drop Gideon, give him a counter, then proliferating twice gives you an indestructible 5/5. One more and it gets past Cruelty, leaving only exile effects. He is really only good in the W/G go wide deck. When you have the ability to put blockers down and proliferate a lot. And in that scenario, he shines very brightly. Keep in mind you don't have to drop Gideon on curve. Treat him as a planeswalker first and an attacker second. Giving something lifelink, indestructible, or vigilance is very strong. The fact you can slam him into anything your opponent is trying to block with is just gravy. If you are lucky enough to get Gideon and a God Eternal, drop the God first to eat most of the removal then use Gideon to drive the win home.
@@Derael no mate its still way better then you think, its a 4/4 that is totaly imun to wraiths its giving other creatures amazing stuff its a fuckn bomb a
About the Bola's Citadel and Command the Dredhorde: they are similar to showcase how Bolas and Liliana do their job when they have power. Bolas will sacrifice things (in this case life points) to cast really all sort of spells (you can cast from library), using all his knowledge to do so (you can look at the top card of your library), and we know it is not above him to sacrifice his minions to do win the battle (the tap text), while Liliana is capable of sacrifice too (life points), but as a necromancer she will be casting resurrection spells (bring from graveyard), but even better, she is powered up by the Chain Veil, thus able to cast from both graveyards. They really nailed the flavor in this set.
Awakening of Vitu-Ghazi is actually super powerful, since it can't be bounces by the most common bounce spell (as it is still a LAND, and bounce spells specifically say non-land usually). I lost to this card because I didn't know it, and was going to happily bounce it just to learn that I can't. And in blue I don't have any other removal that can reliably deal with it (Kasmina's Transmutation doesn't works, since those are freaking counters). This card is without a shadow of doubt A.
Fortunately, any splash can deal with it easily. Destroy target creature does a good job. So does Wanderer Strike and the Wanderer. Casualties of War is a nightmare for it as well. Really, you need either Nissa's emblem or Tomik to protect it. And getting both Vitu/Nissa along with Tomik is an insanely good combo. You turn all your land into untargetable, unkillable nightmares with proliferate.
The card is pretty easily removed in this set sadly :/ especially since a lot of people play white in sealed. Maybe in draft it will be a little better?
@@reeferreview9230 Don't know about that, there isn't too much removal at common that can kill a 9/9 land. In white it's only Wanderer's strike, in blue nothing (both bonuces only work on nonland permanents), in black only Spark Harvest (and Vraska finisher, if they block with it), in red nothing, in green possibly Band Together (if they have 2 creatures with total 9 power) and Kraul Stinger. There are a few uncommon removals that hit it, but uncommon removals is uncommon, there is no guarantee they will draw it in time.
The difference between this Sarkhan's ability and other similar abilities is this: Sarkhan doesn't say "and is still a Planeswalker". Because of this, it doesn't lose Loyalty to damage and won't die if it loses all Loyalty (since those are Planeswalker rules and its no longer a Planeswalker). It keeps its Loyalty abilities bc those are just considered activated abilities
So what you're saying is that a slow RB superfriends deck could activate Sarkhan's +1, making at least 3 dragons with menace (hello Angrath), and then remove all Loyalty from Liliana to make sure that the opponent only has one creature left to not block the menace zombies the Plainswalker dragons are now soaring over? Seems like a neat Timmy moment.
Just want to make clear Karn's +1 says noncreature, so it's even worse then it seems if you thought about buffing Saheeli's Silverwing how they suggested. But remember that Vehicles are noncreatures, so they can be still targets for +1.
@@irreleverent Directly, no they did not, but they listed set's artifacts(creature and noncreature) and then mentioned that they could be acquired with -2 and then turned into "giant artifacts". Silverwing was just one of the examples, I don't wanna misquote them, just wanna make sure that people know exactly what Karn does.
Watching in 2021 and listening to their comments about the future is so funny. What an innocent time where they had no idea how absurdly broken the game was about to become.
After both prerelease and some drafts, I was surprised at how powerful Ral, Storms Conduit was. Even if your not in the spell deck, turns out scry on a stick is ridiculous in limited. Him going plus 2 for his loyalty also makes him quite hard to kill with anything other than targeted destroy planeswalkers spells. He put in a lot of work
I would say Nissa is probably better than most gods except maybe Oketra. She is extremely powerful, protects herself very well, and her ultimate just reads "you win the game". I played a sealed game with Kefnet and Bontu in my deck, and I lost to this card, because it's just so crazy, and again, my bounce removal doesn't work on lands, so I couldn't even get to her.
So they gave Spark Double an A- and in M19 they gave Mirror Image a D. I know that Spark Double cots 1 more and gives you a counter and can copy Planeswalkers, but the downside given for Mirror Image, that it only copies your own stuff, is the same here with Spark Double. So either they missed that Spark Double has that downside, or they changed there mind at some point, because I don't think the advantages of Spark Double are worth that massive jump in grade.
@@Ahayzo Based on what? They said nothing about that in this podcast. They brought up nothing about the context of the set, just the card as written in a vacuum.
I played karn in the prerelease with parhelion 2 and a gildglobe in the sideboard. Making a guildglobe or manageode a creatureor fetching either a bomb or fixing from the sideboard wasn't that bad especially since karns plus crews parhelion. Might come up in draft as well since neither are high picks.
I went 5-1 at my pre release while only playing Blast Zone. I should have also been playing Bolas's Citadel, but I wasn't sure if it was good or not. My other rares were not very good or not in my colors, 2 single combats, a krenko, and a couple others I don't recall, no mythics though. But overall, placing 2nd in a field of at least 40-50 if not 60 players felt really cool, especially on hard mode with no bombs.
I also don't get low rating for Finale of Devastation. You play 2 mana to tutor a creature or draw a card from your graveyard, and you instantly play it. Doesn't feel like a bad deal to me. Wouldn't rate it below C.
I'm guessing Silent Submersible had planeswalker-walk at some point. (Well, probably more along the lines of "CARDNAME can't be blocked if it's attacking a planeswalker". That restricts it to a way for blue to deal with planeswalkers rather than punishing the other player for playing planeswalkers. And it has this cool submarine feel of going on a stealth mission for a targeted strike.)
They've had lots of cards in the past like this that draw you a card when they hit the opponent but don't have evasion. It's the same principle as creatures with Trample that have 1 power, they want you to use other cards with it.
Tons of cards that are Stealth themed don't have evasion. There are tons of Thief cards without evasion that have the same ability as the Submarine, so no, it's not a flavor fail anymore than those. There's also low power creatures with Trample, a hint that what you want to do with them, and this is the same, you want to use other cards to give the submarine evasion.
Oh hell yeah give my 2/3 trample, why didn't I think of that. Now if my opponent's block has literally the lowest possible toughness in the game I can replace the card I spent to deal one damage.
@@jasonmcdougal7831 Just look at Kronk Wranger or Dreadhorde Arcanist, both 1 and 2 power creatures with Trample that have abilities that clearly are telling you to use other cards to pump their power.
@@Mordalon I don't disagree with you there, those creatures are definitely intended to get bigger. The submarine has no trample, and no indication that you should make it bigger. It is also a definite flavor fail, as in real life submarines are one of the most evasive vehicles we have created. No innate evasion, while probably the correct choice to avoid firing mono blue's card draw into space, makes little sense. This thing is as blockable as a rhinocerous or soldier of some kind. Card sucks.
@@jasonmcdougal7831 Again, the whole point is that you are meant to GIVE it evasion, something Blue has no problem doing. And it's not a flavor fail. Subs may be hard to detect from land, but even they aren't stealthy all the time. Watch/read ANY story about subs, they still need to make specific maneuvers to become stealthy. I'll again point you to the countless "stealth" themed cards that also lack evasion, like the numerous Scroll Thief/Ophidian variants. And no the card doesn't suck.
About the only way to deal with the gods is Kasmina's Transmutation and even then you have to hope and pray they can't bounce them. In other words when you draft that cheese include return/recursion.
Nah, you can also use removal, it'll buy you 3 turns to find more removal. It's not as bad as some of the final cards, those can end games on the spot.
@@helemaalnicks6215 True the finales are a more immediate closer but gods are most prevalent in a stalled out board state and when that happens removal is only buying time whereas exiling the god after transmutation or doing something similar is permanent
@@oversol6230 The person was pretty young and said his first prerelease was Dominaria, so against a more experienced player things probably wouldn't have gone down the same.
8:00 I actually did that in a sealed run on Arena and it won me the game, but I had a lot of artifacts in my sideboard due to the giant pool. I realy cant recommend it.
In Sealed, Karn has to be higher than F. In the 2HG, there was a Karn, a Parhelion II and some other mana rocks. My partner wanted me to use the Vehicle, but at 8 mana it was too high of a cost in my opinion. So I ran Karn in the case that I decided to fetch the vehicle or rock as needed.
Planewide Celebration seems like something where I'm going to be playing against someone in standard, they drop a planeswalker with a game-ending ult, I figure, I can handle that, then next turn they use it to proliferate 4 times and immediately put it into ult range.
I'm a bit surprised lsv and so many others are getting the Sarkhan ability wrong. It's essentially the + ability of Sarkhan the Dragonspeaker, the mono red Sarkhan from Khan's of Tarkir. It's not really new tech, just a modified version to make your others into dragons as well.
At the prerelease, I role-reversaled an opposing liliana on 9, gave them the kiora I'd just drawn, ultimated their liliana. Also, role reversal is absurd against god-eternals which otherwise just wreck your day. With the high density of overwhelming creatures in this format, I think the A-minus-tag is warranted.
This set is honestly way too bomb-heavy to be much fun or very skillful. You draw your God-Eternal you're probably going to win unless they have one too.
At my Prerelease I went against someone with Oketra, Rhonas, Ajani, and Nissa. I had only a couple rares in my deck, neither as good as those. I countered Oketra, and was able to whittle down his board enough to get him topdecking Rhonas until I won.
Disagree on Finale of Devastation, at least in Sealed. It was MVP in my deck, especially with being able to recycle the many bomby creatures in this format.
The amount of A's this set is BUSTED. This set, along with all the common removal, is going to be one of the highest powered ( and perhaps best) set in a long time
Interesting...I had a Dreadhorde Invasion on curve in my first game at the prerelease and it procreesed to slowly kill me while my opponent dealt with the army every four turns or so XD I took it out after that but perhaps I should have given it the benefit of the doubt. Also I had a Command the Dreadhorde I didn't play because it looked atrocious to me...
@@GorillaRadio88 I'm not complaining that it was able to close the game out. My point is it could have done that just as easily with one angel or if those angels left the battlefield. It just feels like pointless overkill
@@TheeKrix yes, I also common removal-ed it once and won the game accordingly. Again, I'm not saying it is overpowered in relation to the set or even standard. I just thing that it is unnecessarily powerful. It is a strong closer with 1 angel.
What ? No mention of Spark Double as Gideon getting both a +1/+1 counter and a loyalty counter ? Or that they can then target each other ? You've failed me.
I think you undersell Feather. I didn't have a Prerelease game which I didn't win once I got him out. There are so many amazing interactions with noncreature spell triggers. I had several creatures that had gain +1s or proliferate on noncreature spell and then something like Sahili pushing servos and the value from those spells were amazing. You can have a land destroy every single turn. It's absurd.
How does this change the game here on out? This won't be in Standard for forever, and it's not like they will suddenly have tons of uncommon and rare Planeswalkers.
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My guess is that the reason the Sarkhan doesn't take loyalty damage while being a dragon is because it's different from walkers with similar abilities. For example, on Gideon, Battle-Forged, Gideon's 0 ability says "Until end of turn, Gideon, Battle-Forged becomes a 4/4 Human Soldier creature with indestructible that's still a planeswalker" whereas this Sarkhan has no such "still a planeswalker" part on his +1. I guess since he isn't a planeswalker anymore, he can't take that hit to his loyalty counters, whereas a creature with the "still a planeswalker" would have to remove loyalty counters (assuming they don't have any "prevent all damage that would be dealt to it" abilities like the Gideons usually do).
So that means that if the sarkhan hits a chandra, the chandra can't target him with her passive, for example, I guess.
Gideon can't target himself.
came here to say this. It would be a lot stronger if it could target itself.
@@Robert-mx1io Yeah, still really good thought I'd probably give a 4/4 indy for 1WW a B+ or A- on its own.
Really have been surprised it somehow slipped by. It's actually a huge difference, and is very relevant.
People tend to overrate this card a lot, because they think he can target himself, but in the end it's a 4/4 for 3 that can't block. Sure, you can attack with it every turn, but opponent will likely kill it with damage, and it dies to Ob-Nixilus cruelty. A lot of removal in the set can actually kill him pretty easily, and he doesn't really snowball like some other planeswalkers. So I wouldn't give him anything above A-, maybe even B+.
He snowballs if you have a proliferate deck. He keeps any +1/+1 counters and proliferate will hit his loyalty and his counters. So you drop Gideon, give him a counter, then proliferating twice gives you an indestructible 5/5. One more and it gets past Cruelty, leaving only exile effects. He is really only good in the W/G go wide deck. When you have the ability to put blockers down and proliferate a lot. And in that scenario, he shines very brightly. Keep in mind you don't have to drop Gideon on curve. Treat him as a planeswalker first and an attacker second. Giving something lifelink, indestructible, or vigilance is very strong. The fact you can slam him into anything your opponent is trying to block with is just gravy.
If you are lucky enough to get Gideon and a God Eternal, drop the God first to eat most of the removal then use Gideon to drive the win home.
@@Derael no mate its still way better then you think, its a 4/4 that is totaly imun to wraiths its giving other creatures amazing stuff its a fuckn bomb a
Agree with the Exile should be Exile. Not my soap box, just makes sense.
not feasible. do you want the game to be the same in 10 years? its inevitable
Vivian's Arkbow: discard a card, pay X: put all of your removal spells on the bottom of your library
About the Bola's Citadel and Command the Dredhorde: they are similar to showcase how Bolas and Liliana do their job when they have power. Bolas will sacrifice things (in this case life points) to cast really all sort of spells (you can cast from library), using all his knowledge to do so (you can look at the top card of your library), and we know it is not above him to sacrifice his minions to do win the battle (the tap text), while Liliana is capable of sacrifice too (life points), but as a necromancer she will be casting resurrection spells (bring from graveyard), but even better, she is powered up by the Chain Veil, thus able to cast from both graveyards. They really nailed the flavor in this set.
Awakening of Vitu-Ghazi is actually super powerful, since it can't be bounces by the most common bounce spell (as it is still a LAND, and bounce spells specifically say non-land usually). I lost to this card because I didn't know it, and was going to happily bounce it just to learn that I can't. And in blue I don't have any other removal that can reliably deal with it (Kasmina's Transmutation doesn't works, since those are freaking counters).
This card is without a shadow of doubt A.
Fortunately, any splash can deal with it easily. Destroy target creature does a good job. So does Wanderer Strike and the Wanderer. Casualties of War is a nightmare for it as well. Really, you need either Nissa's emblem or Tomik to protect it. And getting both Vitu/Nissa along with Tomik is an insanely good combo. You turn all your land into untargetable, unkillable nightmares with proliferate.
The card is pretty easily removed in this set sadly :/ especially since a lot of people play white in sealed. Maybe in draft it will be a little better?
@@reeferreview9230 Don't know about that, there isn't too much removal at common that can kill a 9/9 land.
In white it's only Wanderer's strike, in blue nothing (both bonuces only work on nonland permanents), in black only Spark Harvest (and Vraska finisher, if they block with it), in red nothing, in green possibly Band Together (if they have 2 creatures with total 9 power) and Kraul Stinger.
There are a few uncommon removals that hit it, but uncommon removals is uncommon, there is no guarantee they will draw it in time.
The difference between this Sarkhan's ability and other similar abilities is this:
Sarkhan doesn't say "and is still a Planeswalker".
Because of this, it doesn't lose Loyalty to damage and won't die if it loses all Loyalty (since those are Planeswalker rules and its no longer a Planeswalker).
It keeps its Loyalty abilities bc those are just considered activated abilities
So what you're saying is that a slow RB superfriends deck could activate Sarkhan's +1, making at least 3 dragons with menace (hello Angrath), and then remove all Loyalty from Liliana to make sure that the opponent only has one creature left to not block the menace zombies the Plainswalker dragons are now soaring over? Seems like a neat Timmy moment.
Sarkhan is just nasty and is so hard to attack into.
Just want to make clear Karn's +1 says noncreature, so it's even worse then it seems if you thought about buffing Saheeli's Silverwing how they suggested. But remember that Vehicles are noncreatures, so they can be still targets for +1.
My dream in this format is to at some point use Karn to animate Parhelion.
They weren't talking about growing the silverwing with it, it's just free mediocre cards.
@@irreleverent Directly, no they did not, but they listed set's artifacts(creature and noncreature) and then mentioned that they could be acquired with -2 and then turned into "giant artifacts". Silverwing was just one of the examples, I don't wanna misquote them, just wanna make sure that people know exactly what Karn does.
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Watching in 2021 and listening to their comments about the future is so funny. What an innocent time where they had no idea how absurdly broken the game was about to become.
2023 and even more so now tbh
Spotted the non-Yugioh players ;)
I had Jace, and Bolas in my prerelease kit. I won by decking myself out with their plus abilities multiple times. It was SWEET.
I had Ugin in my first sealed pool. Beyond ridiculous.
Lucked out with a Chandra and Ugin in my sealed. The two together is a card value industry.
1:27:11 “did they leave any good cards for the next set?”
Oh nonono lmao
1:11:00 Thicc Kiora on the battlefield and then the casual turn 4 10/10 Hydra
After both prerelease and some drafts, I was surprised at how powerful Ral, Storms Conduit was. Even if your not in the spell deck, turns out scry on a stick is ridiculous in limited. Him going plus 2 for his loyalty also makes him quite hard to kill with anything other than targeted destroy planeswalkers spells. He put in a lot of work
We doubled a Awaken Vhitu Gazi and made an 18/18, ans we copied the Domri punch onto Krenko. Ral is very silly
Bioessence Hydra is BUSTED when you can play a 7 loyalty planeswalker the next turn
Gideon cannot target itself with its ability. It’s one other creature
I would say Nissa is probably better than most gods except maybe Oketra. She is extremely powerful, protects herself very well, and her ultimate just reads "you win the game". I played a sealed game with Kefnet and Bontu in my deck, and I lost to this card, because it's just so crazy, and again, my bounce removal doesn't work on lands, so I couldn't even get to her.
I lost to her too. I think that card is extreamly undervalued. Im thinking about picking some up cause she should jump in price
Blue answers gods fine at common.
So they gave Spark Double an A- and in M19 they gave Mirror Image a D. I know that Spark Double cots 1 more and gives you a counter and can copy Planeswalkers, but the downside given for Mirror Image, that it only copies your own stuff, is the same here with Spark Double. So either they missed that Spark Double has that downside, or they changed there mind at some point, because I don't think the advantages of Spark Double are worth that massive jump in grade.
It's not just about the card. It's also about the context of the format. In M19, Mirror was terrible. In WAR, Spark Double is fantastic.
@@Ahayzo Based on what? They said nothing about that in this podcast. They brought up nothing about the context of the set, just the card as written in a vacuum.
I played karn in the prerelease with parhelion 2 and a gildglobe in the sideboard. Making a guildglobe or manageode a creatureor fetching either a bomb or fixing from the sideboard wasn't that bad especially since karns plus crews parhelion. Might come up in draft as well since neither are high picks.
Not only does Karn crew Parhelion, he makes it an 8/8.
@@brechtian802 yep. Comes in with 16 damage! And all 3 can block as well!
Gideon can't grant himself abilities.
Also is Nicol Bolas even castable in limited? Ask Cam from LRR.
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I went 5-1 at my pre release while only playing Blast Zone. I should have also been playing Bolas's Citadel, but I wasn't sure if it was good or not. My other rares were not very good or not in my colors, 2 single combats, a krenko, and a couple others I don't recall, no mythics though. But overall, placing 2nd in a field of at least 40-50 if not 60 players felt really cool, especially on hard mode with no bombs.
what a great set this one ended up being
I've always wondered what the opening music is from, it sounds so sick
I actually heard it on the radio once it was crazy
Awesome set and review like always. Love listening to you both!
I also don't get low rating for Finale of Devastation.
You play 2 mana to tutor a creature or draw a card from your graveyard, and you instantly play it. Doesn't feel like a bad deal to me. Wouldn't rate it below C.
A Banehound I couldn't deal with and Bolas' Citadel absolutely devastated me in the pre-release during one game.
Kiora into turn 4 10/10 hydra is gross.
I'm guessing Silent Submersible had planeswalker-walk at some point. (Well, probably more along the lines of "CARDNAME can't be blocked if it's attacking a planeswalker". That restricts it to a way for blue to deal with planeswalkers rather than punishing the other player for playing planeswalkers. And it has this cool submarine feel of going on a stealth mission for a targeted strike.)
They've had lots of cards in the past like this that draw you a card when they hit the opponent but don't have evasion. It's the same principle as creatures with Trample that have 1 power, they want you to use other cards with it.
Play Tamiyo, name Ugin just for the mind games.
With the double mana fixers I've cast bolas on turn 4 or 5 regularly in sealed. Its build around but not that hard to cast.
Tons of cards that are Stealth themed don't have evasion. There are tons of Thief cards without evasion that have the same ability as the Submarine, so no, it's not a flavor fail anymore than those. There's also low power creatures with Trample, a hint that what you want to do with them, and this is the same, you want to use other cards to give the submarine evasion.
Oh hell yeah give my 2/3 trample, why didn't I think of that. Now if my opponent's block has literally the lowest possible toughness in the game I can replace the card I spent to deal one damage.
@@jasonmcdougal7831 Just look at Kronk Wranger or Dreadhorde Arcanist, both 1 and 2 power creatures with Trample that have abilities that clearly are telling you to use other cards to pump their power.
@@Mordalon I don't disagree with you there, those creatures are definitely intended to get bigger. The submarine has no trample, and no indication that you should make it bigger. It is also a definite flavor fail, as in real life submarines are one of the most evasive vehicles we have created. No innate evasion, while probably the correct choice to avoid firing mono blue's card draw into space, makes little sense. This thing is as blockable as a rhinocerous or soldier of some kind. Card sucks.
@@jasonmcdougal7831 Again, the whole point is that you are meant to GIVE it evasion, something Blue has no problem doing. And it's not a flavor fail. Subs may be hard to detect from land, but even they aren't stealthy all the time. Watch/read ANY story about subs, they still need to make specific maneuvers to become stealthy. I'll again point you to the countless "stealth" themed cards that also lack evasion, like the numerous Scroll Thief/Ophidian variants.
And no the card doesn't suck.
I don't know about that clone, the limitation of only getting your own stuff is a harsh one that does little for you when you're behind.
They even gave Mirror Image in M19 a D.
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About the only way to deal with the gods is Kasmina's Transmutation and even then you have to hope and pray they can't bounce them. In other words when you draft that cheese include return/recursion.
Nah, you can also use removal, it'll buy you 3 turns to find more removal. It's not as bad as some of the final cards, those can end games on the spot.
I countered Oketra at my Prerelease.
@@Mordalon Nice! I mean rarely will people play their gods into open mana but countering it is viable a small percentage of the time
@@helemaalnicks6215 True the finales are a more immediate closer but gods are most prevalent in a stalled out board state and when that happens removal is only buying time whereas exiling the god after transmutation or doing something similar is permanent
@@oversol6230 The person was pretty young and said his first prerelease was Dominaria, so against a more experienced player things probably wouldn't have gone down the same.
If you counter God Eternals do they stay in the graveyard? It's neither dying nor being put into exile
My prerelease pool had Ugin... and Liliana... and Krenko... and Illharg...
It was pretty bonkers.
Arkbow works quite good with the god eternal's 2nd ability
8:00 I actually did that in a sealed run on Arena and it won me the game, but I had a lot of artifacts in my sideboard due to the giant pool. I realy cant recommend it.
In Sealed, Karn has to be higher than F. In the 2HG, there was a Karn, a Parhelion II and some other mana rocks. My partner wanted me to use the Vehicle, but at 8 mana it was too high of a cost in my opinion. So I ran Karn in the case that I decided to fetch the vehicle or rock as needed.
I think Blast Zone is a little better than you graded, more like B- (not much difference).
Fun fact:
I thought Soul Diviner was an uncommon.
I thought Soul Diviner cost 3 mana.
I played against Soul Diviner 20 minutes ago.
RTFC.
Planewide Celebration seems like something where I'm going to be playing against someone in standard, they drop a planeswalker with a game-ending ult, I figure, I can handle that, then next turn they use it to proliferate 4 times and immediately put it into ult range.
forgot about Karn being able to find your offcolor sealed bombs...
Offcolor sealed bomb artifacts?
I'm a bit surprised lsv and so many others are getting the Sarkhan ability wrong. It's essentially the + ability of Sarkhan the Dragonspeaker, the mono red Sarkhan from Khan's of Tarkir. It's not really new tech, just a modified version to make your others into dragons as well.
Dreadhorde also combos with the wanderer.
At first I thought you meant Dreadhorde Invasion. There's lots of cards that start with Dreadhorde.
Deliver Unto Evil says "up to four". You _can_ just choose the best two.
No, you can't. The card was formatted the way it is to prevent that. The 2 they choose stay in the yard so if you pick 2 you get 0.
@@markbrierley6367 Ah yeah you are correct, Thanks. There's a lot going on with that card.
At the prerelease, I role-reversaled an opposing liliana on 9, gave them the kiora I'd just drawn, ultimated their liliana. Also, role reversal is absurd against god-eternals which otherwise just wreck your day. With the high density of overwhelming creatures in this format, I think the A-minus-tag is warranted.
I collect prerelease cards foil that say June 8 on them little bro
In my sealed game, opened a promo Ugin, a regular Ugin, and a Stunt Double. The engine was glorious.....
This set is honestly way too bomb-heavy to be much fun or very skillful. You draw your God-Eternal you're probably going to win unless they have one too.
At my Prerelease I went against someone with Oketra, Rhonas, Ajani, and Nissa. I had only a couple rares in my deck, neither as good as those. I countered Oketra, and was able to whittle down his board enough to get him topdecking Rhonas until I won.
I played bolas in my base green prerelease pool, cast him on turn 4 multiple times. -8ed him twice! It was a good prerelease. Greed is good...
Disagree on Finale of Devastation, at least in Sealed. It was MVP in my deck, especially with being able to recycle the many bomby creatures in this format.
Derian led-Kersan me too. It won 4 out of my 6 games. The card rocks!
The amount of A's this set is BUSTED. This set, along with all the common removal, is going to be one of the highest powered ( and perhaps best) set in a long time
I want a Deliver Unto Evil playmat, that art is too good!
I'm curious to know how many of these rares, if any, are a bigger bomb than Tetzimoc, Primal Death from Rivals of Ixilan.
Command the Dreadhorde + The Wanderer in either player's graveyard seems like game over.
Interesting...I had a Dreadhorde Invasion on curve in my first game at the prerelease and it procreesed to slowly kill me while my opponent dealt with the army every four turns or so XD I took it out after that but perhaps I should have given it the benefit of the doubt. Also I had a Command the Dreadhorde I didn't play because it looked atrocious to me...
Parhellion destroyed in 2 of my 7 sealed games. Why 2 angels? So much if the power in this set feels like overkill
It’s an 8 mana rare, it’s supposed to end the game.
@@GorillaRadio88 I'm not complaining that it was able to close the game out. My point is it could have done that just as easily with one angel or if those angels left the battlefield. It just feels like pointless overkill
8 mana rare, doesn't have haste, and needs other creatures out just to attack in the first place.
All the cards are indeed powerful in this set, however most of the power requires certain situations and timing
@@TheeKrix yes, I also common removal-ed it once and won the game accordingly. Again, I'm not saying it is overpowered in relation to the set or even standard. I just thing that it is unnecessarily powerful. It is a strong closer with 1 angel.
Can I get that intro music doe
I love that one of the guys sounds like Melissa’s dad from Home movies!
It's been eight months can u read this little fellah
You are wrong about sarkhan. It either loses 3 loyalty(cast in response) or takes 3 damage. Not both.
You can just consider Blast Zone as a removal spell, and not a land?
Nacho boy wit da loyalty
Please submarine would have had you must own an island or sac it.
Gideon can’t target its self .......
why skip tezzeret?
Can't be drafted.
@@domri4203 fair enough, but wouldn't take too much time to include imho.
Might confuse people; show is limited focused and he'll never be found in limited except cube.
What ? No mention of Spark Double as Gideon getting both a +1/+1 counter and a loyalty counter ? Or that they can then target each other ? You've failed me.
I think you undersell Feather. I didn't have a Prerelease game which I didn't win once I got him out.
There are so many amazing interactions with noncreature spell triggers. I had several creatures that had gain +1s or proliferate on noncreature spell and then something like Sahili pushing servos and the value from those spells were amazing.
You can have a land destroy every single turn. It's absurd.
So we had a guy in sealed abuse karn to go get the 8 drop vehicle that he was better in the board. It was solid. Def not an F but maybe a D
agreed that god-eternals getting around exile is really unfun to play against, feels like a giant screw you
sadly all my preorder drafts now was already so this video would have been so helpful xD :(
mhm, am i missing something or are they missing cards, like arcane strategist
Heeheehee it's ugin huhuhuhuh it's a plainwalker heheheheh it's colororless hehehe that's what one guy say
Please don't laugh at every card no more again
This set is broken... It changes the way the game is played from here on out.... The bar is set so high now...
How does this change the game here on out? This won't be in Standard for forever, and it's not like they will suddenly have tons of uncommon and rare Planeswalkers.
Because of the bar being set so high for player expectations for future sets
@@nivek1160 this tends to happen every cycle, core will bring the power level back down, then it will go back up again.
Hes great at the sport because he cheats
Gideon can’t target himself