Lakitu being a rival of Peach feels like Lakitu following Peach, since Lakitu is the traditional "camera man" in Mario Kart and Peach is the most influential and most liked royal, from a political in-universe perspective. With members of the mushroom kingdom making up quite a high portion of the roster, I would assume that its also one of the main organizer. As THE leading political figure of the main organizers, it would make sense to have one of the camera men follow her specifically.
I think this is more of a case of him not being familiar with... basically _everyone_ on the roster. He's the ONLY Zelda character of said roster, after all, whereas there's two of Splatoon (Inkling Girl and Inkling Boy), and three of Animal Crossing (Male Villager, Female Villager, Isabelle).
Walugi/wario being paired with toadette seems like just a nod to the idea that they all were created as offshoots of over characters, waluigi to Luigi, toad to toadette, etc
Wario and toadette definitely have a connection. They both love wealth. Wario is overtly greedy while toadette adores the monarchy and is a union buster. I imagine she's connected to waluigi via her connection to Wario.
Given Toadette is a different species of Toad that shows dislike for the work ethic and unionism of the other Toads, I can totally see her being the equivalent of Watoad lol
Two notes: 1. Lakitu also doesn't have a rival in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, with him, Link and the Miis being the ones left out of that. 2. There is actually only one other place that would suggest that Wendy has any rivalry with Peach and Daisy and that's her Smash 4 trophy, where it says she sees Peach and Daisy as her rivals. That could be what this choice was based on.
I know this isn’t a comment that i should share this info on but it’s the one i found with the least responses so ima just say this and move on but that animal hoe Isabelle is the absolute bane of my existence because tell me why every single time I play this game and she’s in a lobby, she always wanna square up with me and rear-ends me every time too like i just need to say this real quick cause I know this ain’t got shit to do with Peach, Wendy, or Daisy besides the fact that I am a Daisy main and Wendy can kiss my ass every time i see her anywhere with them ugly Sonic rings thats on her hands and it’s a video about rivalries and irl I got beef with Isabelle for trying me in Mario Kart and Wendy for being ugly
Ok but daisy's rivalry with wario in mario kart 7 makes sense beyond "oopsie daisy no waluigi", wario literally got one of his lackeys to kidnap her in her debut
tatanga isnt warios henchman in super mario world. he works with wario in super mario 2: 6 golden coins in order to get revenge. however daisy doesnt appear in super mario world 2.
@@MasterOfTruck oh i thought his appearance in mario land 2 implied that mb You could still construct something like daisy being pissed that wario would ally with someone that literally kidnapped her but it's less compelling ig :b
I think the Waluigi-Toadette rivalry may actually be a reference to, of all things, Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix, in which Waluigi stealing the Music Keys leads to a convoluted series of events which ends with Toadette's hotel getting ruined.
I like how when referring to Honey Queen being in 7 over Waluigi he says it’s not talked about enough even though that is one of the most talked about things when that game comes up in discussion
And it's so tiring honestly. All the hate she got back then is probably why Nintendo never brought her back for 8 in any capacity and it sucks because she's one of the most unique characters in the Mario Kart series. There's a severe lack of female heavyweights.
@@CoralCopperHead It's definitely not talked about often, but when it is, it's always mentioned how weird it is that Honey Queen was added over Waluigi. Like, without fail. I was actually so glad to see the original commenter post this because I thought the exact same thing. No joke, this is literally the third video I've watched *this past week* where Mario Kart 7 and its characters are brought up and, like clockwork, the Honey Queen/Waluigi topic is touched upon.
It’s hard to blame them for bringing it up so much since Honey Queen is a character NOBODY wanted and she most likely unfairly replaced Waluigi especially when you consider the fact that purple is the main color for both of them not to mention the fact that Honey Queen hasn’t returned in any Mario game since.
@@blu3gdon't forget that toadette idolizes peach's place to the point of literally becoming her with the super crown. And is essentially peach's "right hand man" which is similar to Warios love of money. If I had to pick rivals for toadette I'd definitely pick Wario and peach.
06:35 headcanoning that toad sees this rivalry as friendly while rosalina sees it as - well not hatred, but she's pretty annoyed of toads after the brigade set up shop on HER ship.
if you actually think about it, Toadette's connection to Wario and Waluigi actually does make sense in the fact that she could be considered Toad's opposite. It's a bit of a stretch, considering that Toadette is as nice -- or even nicer -- than toads usually are, but it would explain why she's grouped in with the other anti-heroes.
Maybe the connection is that she's so nice that she actually talks to them and give them the opportunity of having a friendship with her. I always imagine most characters kinda avoid them, so the connection would be just literally the only other character that talks to them.
Only critique I have for this video is while you’re explaining, show a scrolling image of the entire rival system instead of racing footage the entire time. Good video - Always liked the rival system!
Birdo has no rivals because Birdo is ~unrivaled~ It would be neat if they made a character called Goomba Gang, where it's three Goombas that are all working together to drive a cart. The bottom one would step on the gas and brake pedals, the middle one would stand on top of the bottom one and bite down on the steering wheel, and the top one would emote and taunt.
DUDE NO WONDER. I main as daisy and get genuine beef over waluigis CPU sometimes... this made so much sense and its such a cool concept i never knew existed
6:55 Wriggler was in Tetris Attack on SNES which featured Yoshi as the main character. Wriggler, in the games plot, is one of Yoshi's friends who gets kind controlled by Bowser.
7:45 Lakitu still blames Peach for being the reason he lost his job after 64. Once she was rescued, there was no longer a good justification to keep recording Mario. They had to let him go at the news station, and without the steady income he couldn't afford to keep renting the camera equipment, forcing him to give it all up. By the time Peach got kidnapped again, Lakitu had no job, no equipment, and no means of using the tumultuous state of the kingdom for his own financial gain. He now resents Peach, not only for her influence on his original troubles, but also for her policies that have contributed to soaring uneployment rates and high inflation that leads to an unreasonable cost of living for the middle class. Lakitu has now joined the rest of his kind in fully supporting a complete overthrow of the Mushroom Kingdom by Bowser.
I KNEW there was something about luigi when i used to play mario kart as a kid Always being almost breathing down my neck at the end of every race and just zooming closer to me compared to other racers
I honestly really like the idea of Toadette being friends with Waluigi and Wario. It seems oddly sweet to me. I just like the idea of them going to a cafe on the weekend to talk about work and the people around them.
Ok I know it’s probably just bc there’s no other zelda character, but link having no relationships is actually probably the most in character thing for him. According to Zelda’s diary, He’s incredibly guarded and feels as though emotion of any kind, positive or negative, as weakness, specifically in botw, which is this link’s home game.
It is so nice to see something confirming this mechanic, i thought i was insane thinking that Toadette was always the fiercest competitor as a Waluigi player
I'm actually wondering about Yoshi and Kamek. it feels like they should have a Rivalry, given that Kamek is like... one of the major antagonists of Yoshi's Series...
DK Jr. SHOULD be the current Donkey Kong all grown up since after all it would easily explain why we don’t see DK Jr. anymore. The Super Mario Bros. Movie making Donkey Kong and Cranky Kong father and son should also be made official in the games.
4:31 if you look at other games, donkey kong and bowser actually act like two sides of the same coin. In the gamecube mario parties donkey kong can interfere with bowser spaces, and in mario party 8, they literally swap places whenever you use a dk or bowser space.
As the rivalries started getting more complicated, some additional UI would've been nice. Specifically, an indication which of the characters currently on screen is the player and which is the rival.
The Toadette rivalry with Wario & Waluigi is probably a nod at the Mario Party series, where the team names between Toadette and the Wa's had surprisingly friendly implications - but you of all people should know. You made that video after all.
I always felt like that while Daisy *despises* Waluigi, she at least has a neutral to civil relationship with Wario. They both have similar outgoing and bombastic personalities.
I played the Mario Kart games (Wii and 8 Deluxe specifically) in a casual vacuum with my brother and friends, without any real outside knowledge aside from occasionally looking up what karts were the best for my weight class. I wasn't aware of the specific inner workings of the game like rivalries and for the longest time I never understood why I, an Isabelle main, had so many problems with Villager. I had so many close calls, and got frustrated by the seemingly rubber banding AI that was going on. Eventually I looked up what was going on and learned about the rival system and that made a lot of sense. Learning that these rivalries aren't a new thing is really neat, and I do like the lore implications even if I don't care too much for the implementation because I am not good at Mario Kart at the best of times.
I love this aspect of Mario Kart because it shows which characters consider each other rivals, plus it literally started a 10-year-long rivalry between DashieGames & Donkey Kong *for context, Dashie always uses Yoshi in MK8, and DK is Yoshi’s rival, so whenever Dashie gets hit in the game, he usually always blames it on DK* 💀
I IMMEDIATELY knew Rosalina’s enemy in Mario Kart 7 would be Honey Bee Queen because I remember absolutely despising her. I had thought Rosalina’s other enemy would be Metal Mario though, not Toad.
7:18 If I had to imagine it could also be that both of them often live in forests (Wigglers first appear in the first Forest of Illusion level and Yoshi is first seen in Yoshi’s Island 2, a deep forest level.) and the rivalry could likely be friendly. I doubt it’s a hateful one because Yoshi can’t eat wigglers in most games, so they’d have no real reason to hate each other. (The only timed he could eat wiggler in was SMW and the cartoon for it.) Also a weird rivalry I thought of in 7 was the Mii characters. Instead of letting literally any character be their rivals, each gender of mii has a specific set of 2 rivals and a secondary rival. Males get Bowser and Metal Mario as rivals and Mario as a secondary rival, and females get Yoshi and Rosalina as rivals with Peach being the secondary one for them.
I think Wiggler being rivals with Yoshi in 7 is simple, they both debuted in Super Mario World where Yoshi ate them just like any other enemy. There's bound to be plenty of animosity there.
I'm sure someone probably has mentioned it by now but the bowser dk rivalry also extends out to the mario party games with dk being the only person strong enough to fight back physically against the king Koopa
As I usually play Mario kart 8 deluxe as I remember, when I usually play as dry bones, there’s dry bowser and koopa troopa all the time. And when I play as dry bowser, there’s koopa troopa and maybe dry bones? And when I play as koopa troopa, there’s dry bones and dry bowser. This explains everything omg thank you for this video
I think the Koopaling pairs have to do with their weight class: Lemmy and Larry both happen to be lightweight, Ludwig and Iggy are mediumweight, and Roy and Morton are heavyweight. Funnily enough, the SSB4 trophy description for Wendy does state that she sees Peach and Daisy as rivals.
While it's coincidental, it could also be a rivalry between them based on their personalities as he noted. Wendy/Kootie Pie has also attempted to get Mario's attention in the cartoon series, so she definitely sees the princesses as rivals.
I’ve actually been wondering about that since I’ve been playing almost exclusively as Daisy in game (mostly because she’s my favourite character) every single race I’ve played, both Walugi and Peach are always placed first and second at the start of the first race.
I’m so glad someone has talked about this, I thought I was going crazy playing as Toadette and Wario was ALWAYS THERE! 🤣 I do wonder what their connection really is all about though 🤔
Wario rivaling Daisy actually makes more sense to me than if it was Waluigi instead. It probably is a reference to the Mario Land series. With Daisy's first appearance being in Super Mario Land 1 and Wario's first appearance being in Super Mario Land 2
I think the Lakitu and Peach thing may be a subtle reference to Super Mario 64, where upon first starting the game, you see Peach asking of you to come to the castle followed by Lakitu floating around in his cloud with a camera attached to what looks like a fishing rod.
Lakitu also does not have any rivals in 8 Deluxe. So him, Link and Mii. It should be noted that King Boo did not have any rivals prior to Petey Piranha's addition in Wave 5. For those who did not purchase the booster course pass, King Boo remains rival-less in single player.
I think Yoshi being Wiggler's rival is just because back in Super Mario World having Yoshi eat Wigglers were the only method to actually kill them as opposed to just making them angry.
Depending on the source, the modern Donkey Kong has been both stated to be the grandson (e.g. Donkey Kong Country, Donkey Kong Country Returns) and the son (e.g. Donkey Kong 64, The Super Mario Bros. Movie) of Cranky Kong. I've personally always subscribed to them having a father/son relationship, since this is both the case in the most recent official mention (Mario Movie) and it makes for _by far_ the cleaner timeline/family tree. With this being the case, DK Jr. and modern DK are one and the same, so their rivalry extending beyond the original game makes sense.
I'd like to think instead of a jealousy rivalry with Wendy and the princesses. Its instead a fan-girl thing, where Wendy adores the two princesses and wants to be like them
Wario was main villiain in land series before taking hero role. He got Tatanga to kidnap Daisy so he could take over Mario's castle while Mario was saving princesses.
I saw this video as I refreshed TH-cam, and, in a panic, because I love videos like this, I frantically typed what I could recall into the search bar. I am glad your video was at the top, because k would have been extremely upset to have accidentally missed this wonder of a video! Good job!
I'm pretty sure this system is present in Tour too, which is weird because in that game due to top shelf characters you'll likely won't be using the same ones frequently, but i swear this system still applies somehow because i have vivid memories of Cat Toad specifically being the most annoying racer whenever present, having extraordinary luck ruining combos and catching back up, but i don't think i was using the same characters often, maybe just koopas in general?
Fun fact: Super Mario Kart is the only Mario Kart game where the cpu racers will always start and finish in a set order dependent on the character you choose, and only player interference before the finish line can alter that order
I always knew that there were certain characters that did better than the others based on which one I picked, but I just never took the time to dive into it
I'm reminded of one of the Codex conversations in Brawl, actually, with regards to Mario and Donkey Kong III. Even Snake points out that Mario fought Cranky Kong and questions whether or not Mario and this new Donkey Kong have any bad blood between them, which Otacon confirms. I guess the Kongs as family never really forget.
***Hidden Lore of the Mushroom Kingdom*** I know the pin for the Lakitu and Peach connection is taken, but I would like to add that in Mario 3-on-3 Hoops (or Mario Slam Basketball for the Europeans), the goated Mario basketball game for the DS that features crossover characters from Final Fantasy, in the third court of the Mushroom Tourney, Peach Field, a Lakitu actually holds the only hoop on the court and switches sides depending on which team holds the ball. Another Lakitu also serves as the ball jumper throughout the whole game. There's also the point that in Super Mario 64 DS, Lakitu actually gives Yoshi the scoop on the disappearance of Peach, Mario, Luigi, and Wario, meaning that this Lakitu has hung around long enough to see this all happen, and may imply that this Lakitu is actually a member of the Mushroom Kingdom's court because, otherwise, he's a stalker. By extension, this implies the same for the original 64 version of the game. And correct me if I'm wrong, but in those games, it's not JUST Lakitu, it's the Lakitu Bros. which must mean there's at least TWO Lakitus in alignment with the Mushroom Kingdom, and to bring it full circle... It's the ball jumper and the hoop; The Lakitu Bros... Crazy stuff, right? They're more repressed than Toadsworth at this point.
I think the koopalings dynamic is based on the appearance they had in the old TV show super mario bros 3. In that I remember Ludwig and Iggy were in an episode to elect King Koopa as the king of the mushroom kingdom and Larry and Lemmy were together in the kidnapping of the mummy prince in desert land, although I think they may have had different names. Also Roy and Morton were paired in an episode that I can't remember, and Wendy never had a sibling that she was usually paired with.
3:08 I'd like to believe that Toads are just general rivals to the Kongs, if the Movie is anything to go off of. Which it shouldn't by the way, but it's an interesting thought.
I think that waluigi and toadette relationship comes from the fact that both were introduced in sport games in order to fill the roster. Toadette in double dash and Waluigi in Mario Tennis.
A thing I liked to do in Super Mario Kart was annoying some of the rivals to the point they could change mid-cup - because of how the AI works it's extremely hard though, usually you have to guarantee your rival is behind you (the best way is finishing 4th) and someone else wins the race, therefore turning into a new rival
7:25 Lakitu: "Please, stay of the driving course princess" Peach: "Did i do that" i am kiding about this interaction, most likely Balancing or a reference to lakitu being a koopa
Personally I like to think the current Donkey Kong is Cranky Kong’s son and that he is Donkey Kong Jr. all grown up, since their relationship makes more sense when they are portrayed that way and Donkey Kong Jr. isn’t coming back anytime soon anyway unless if you count the SNES version of Donkey Kong Jr. appearing as a playable character in Mario Kart Tour but even then that was more of a retro throwback and a celebration to the Mario Kart game that started the series in the first place.
As someone who's played both, not exactly. It'll just make the challenging AIs random characters, not preset ones, so you'll get a more random mix like Luigi, Yoshi and Kamek etc. Note: I mention 3 names, since in those two games, only 3 CPUs stay close to you, the other 8 are set to be in the middle or back (basically rubbish AI and unrealistic compared to online, where everyone is much closer).
Lakitu also lacks a rival in 8 Deluxe, making him the only Mario character with this distinction. Though this does make sense when you consider that another Lakitu is the one who prevents you from careening off into the abyss.
I absolutely love these kinds of videos! Its so interesting and entertaining and fun learning about the Mario characters’ backgrounds and history and rivalries lol
Lakitu being a rival of Peach feels like Lakitu following Peach, since Lakitu is the traditional "camera man" in Mario Kart and Peach is the most influential and most liked royal, from a political in-universe perspective. With members of the mushroom kingdom making up quite a high portion of the roster, I would assume that its also one of the main organizer. As THE leading political figure of the main organizers, it would make sense to have one of the camera men follow her specifically.
Never forget that according to SMK and MK64, the Mario Kart series is organised by a giant Cheep Cheep.
Also potentially a reference to Super Mario 64.
@@SeriousStriker This is what I was thinking, but it's still bending over backwards.
@@JRS06 Makes me wonder why we never got a giant Cheep Cheep as a playable character in a MK game.
You really went that deep in a Mario Kart game?
Link doesn't have any rivals because he's just happy to be here.
I think this is more of a case of him not being familiar with... basically _everyone_ on the roster. He's the ONLY Zelda character of said roster, after all, whereas there's two of Splatoon (Inkling Girl and Inkling Boy), and three of Animal Crossing (Male Villager, Female Villager, Isabelle).
His rival would be Ganondorf lol
It should’ve been Birdo. She looks like an octorock
@ By that logic, the Inklings, being cephalopods, should make WAY more sense than Birdo. Birdo is a dinosaur, not at all an octopus like Octorok is!
Haha😂😂😂
Walugi/wario being paired with toadette seems like just a nod to the idea that they all were created as offshoots of over characters, waluigi to Luigi, toad to toadette, etc
I honestly think the pairing was done as a joke
Wario and toadette definitely have a connection. They both love wealth. Wario is overtly greedy while toadette adores the monarchy and is a union buster. I imagine she's connected to waluigi via her connection to Wario.
it's like the joke of how Daisy is Wapeach, Toadette is Watoad
Given Toadette is a different species of Toad that shows dislike for the work ethic and unionism of the other Toads, I can totally see her being the equivalent of Watoad lol
Also, in Mario Party 6, Toadette and Wario’s team name is “Secret Friends.”
Two notes:
1. Lakitu also doesn't have a rival in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, with him, Link and the Miis being the ones left out of that.
2. There is actually only one other place that would suggest that Wendy has any rivalry with Peach and Daisy and that's her Smash 4 trophy, where it says she sees Peach and Daisy as her rivals. That could be what this choice was based on.
Wendy also calls Peach and Daisy "posers" In Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games 2016.
@@BassiKun99 Peach rabbid type beat
I know this isn’t a comment that i should share this info on but it’s the one i found with the least responses so ima just say this and move on but that animal hoe Isabelle is the absolute bane of my existence because tell me why every single time I play this game and she’s in a lobby, she always wanna square up with me and rear-ends me every time too like i just need to say this real quick cause I know this ain’t got shit to do with Peach, Wendy, or Daisy besides the fact that I am a Daisy main and Wendy can kiss my ass every time i see her anywhere with them ugly Sonic rings thats on her hands and it’s a video about rivalries and irl I got beef with Isabelle for trying me in Mario Kart and Wendy for being ugly
swear dashie has exposed many of us to this concept, his rivalry as yoshi with donkey kong is generational
I only clicked on this video because of that 😂
Donkey-Bi***-A**!
in Mario Kart Wii CPU Baby Peach used to be the bane of my existence.
@@lol-ih1tl who was your main? 😭
@@willisassounga1963 growing up I was a Yoshi main.
Ok but daisy's rivalry with wario in mario kart 7 makes sense beyond "oopsie daisy no waluigi", wario literally got one of his lackeys to kidnap her in her debut
Yes! Super Mario Land 🥰
tatanga isnt warios henchman in super mario world. he works with wario in super mario 2: 6 golden coins in order to get revenge. however daisy doesnt appear in super mario world 2.
@@MasterOfTruck oh i thought his appearance in mario land 2 implied that mb
You could still construct something like daisy being pissed that wario would ally with someone that literally kidnapped her but it's less compelling ig :b
@@personita2.733 Maybe less compelling, but still totally justifiable
THAT'S WHY WARIOS ALWAYS BEEN A BUTT TO ME!!!
I think the Waluigi-Toadette rivalry may actually be a reference to, of all things, Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix, in which Waluigi stealing the Music Keys leads to a convoluted series of events which ends with Toadette's hotel getting ruined.
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oh im absolutely living for this wario, waluigi and toadette storyline
I like how when referring to Honey Queen being in 7 over Waluigi he says it’s not talked about enough even though that is one of the most talked about things when that game comes up in discussion
And it's so tiring honestly. All the hate she got back then is probably why Nintendo never brought her back for 8 in any capacity and it sucks because she's one of the most unique characters in the Mario Kart series. There's a severe lack of female heavyweights.
...People talk about 7?
@@CoralCopperHeadI've never seen anyone talk about the game except people trying to defend the game
@@CoralCopperHead It's definitely not talked about often, but when it is, it's always mentioned how weird it is that Honey Queen was added over Waluigi. Like, without fail. I was actually so glad to see the original commenter post this because I thought the exact same thing. No joke, this is literally the third video I've watched *this past week* where Mario Kart 7 and its characters are brought up and, like clockwork, the Honey Queen/Waluigi topic is touched upon.
It’s hard to blame them for bringing it up so much since Honey Queen is a character NOBODY wanted and she most likely unfairly replaced Waluigi especially when you consider the fact that purple is the main color for both of them not to mention the fact that Honey Queen hasn’t returned in any Mario game since.
I'm now convinced that there's some kind of in-joke in the Nintendo offices about Toadette and Wario that the public isn't privvy to.
Wario loves money, Toadette hates unions, the two most common aspects of the 1%. I'm sure Nintendo knows what they're doing
@@blu3gdon't forget that toadette idolizes peach's place to the point of literally becoming her with the super crown. And is essentially peach's "right hand man" which is similar to Warios love of money. If I had to pick rivals for toadette I'd definitely pick Wario and peach.
Considering Typhlosion's case, it could be likely
06:35 headcanoning that toad sees this rivalry as friendly while rosalina sees it as - well not hatred, but she's pretty annoyed of toads after the brigade set up shop on HER ship.
Why would she be annoyed when they were welcomed with open arms? Seems like projection here, pal
don't take it seriously, just a funny headcanon lmao
Why would someone hate toad so much they have to project their hatred onto another character? Seems like projection of projection,pal
@@EXPeepik where in my comment do I show hatred?
@@shadowweegee1 he's not talking about you
I mean, clearly the reason Peach & Luigi are rivals in Super Circuit is they're fighting over who gets to wear the dress...
Luigi will always be my queen 💚💚
So what you're telling me is, they added King Boo to the game and DIDN'T make Luigi one of his rivals?! Damn it Nintendo!
i see the yoshi wiggler as predator and prey relationship
Wiggler should've been Daisy's rival tbh
@@CEOofAustralia why?
@@metal_pipe9764 Flower (but good) vs Flower (but bad)
if you actually think about it, Toadette's connection to Wario and Waluigi actually does make sense in the fact that she could be considered Toad's opposite. It's a bit of a stretch, considering that Toadette is as nice -- or even nicer -- than toads usually are, but it would explain why she's grouped in with the other anti-heroes.
I had the same impression
I mean, she's also shown to be much smarter than the average Toads, so...
Marioparty also connects toadette with the two Wa’s, saying they’re in some ways allies and friends
Maybe the connection is that she's so nice that she actually talks to them and give them the opportunity of having a friendship with her.
I always imagine most characters kinda avoid them, so the connection would be just literally the only other character that talks to them.
Toadette secretly anti hero :0
Only critique I have for this video is while you’re explaining, show a scrolling image of the entire rival system instead of racing footage the entire time. Good video - Always liked the rival system!
Yeah, I wish we could see the whole chart at some point
Birdo has no rivals because Birdo is ~unrivaled~
It would be neat if they made a character called Goomba Gang, where it's three Goombas that are all working together to drive a cart. The bottom one would step on the gas and brake pedals, the middle one would stand on top of the bottom one and bite down on the steering wheel, and the top one would emote and taunt.
That sucks that lemmy and Iggy aren't paired. They were like *the* koopaling duo.
Yeah, they don’t really get much attention lmao
DUDE NO WONDER. I main as daisy and get genuine beef over waluigis CPU sometimes... this made so much sense and its such a cool concept i never knew existed
6:55 Wriggler was in Tetris Attack on SNES which featured Yoshi as the main character. Wriggler, in the games plot, is one of Yoshi's friends who gets kind controlled by Bowser.
I can only think for peach and lakitu being a reference to mario 64, given the imporance of lakitu in peach's castle
7:45 Lakitu still blames Peach for being the reason he lost his job after 64. Once she was rescued, there was no longer a good justification to keep recording Mario. They had to let him go at the news station, and without the steady income he couldn't afford to keep renting the camera equipment, forcing him to give it all up. By the time Peach got kidnapped again, Lakitu had no job, no equipment, and no means of using the tumultuous state of the kingdom for his own financial gain. He now resents Peach, not only for her influence on his original troubles, but also for her policies that have contributed to soaring uneployment rates and high inflation that leads to an unreasonable cost of living for the middle class. Lakitu has now joined the rest of his kind in fully supporting a complete overthrow of the Mushroom Kingdom by Bowser.
THANK YOU !!
it feels like no one reads the manuals that come with these games :/
He’s mostly been the cameraman in most Mario gameline
I've wanted a fic like this for ages😂
Toad hates the monarchy.
I KNEW there was something about luigi when i used to play mario kart as a kid
Always being almost breathing down my neck at the end of every race and just zooming closer to me compared to other racers
Never underestimate the green man
I honestly really like the idea of Toadette being friends with Waluigi and Wario. It seems oddly sweet to me. I just like the idea of them going to a cafe on the weekend to talk about work and the people around them.
You can't convince me the rival system isn't in DS. Every time I play as Toad, the Wario AI goes absolutely cracked for no reason.
Finally someone mentioned MKDS
Been wondering same with Yoshi which makes Bowser and DK the rivals
I thought it’s purely stats
Koopa
Luigi
Yoshi
Their rivalry is: who's the best green character
So i am not the only one who noticed.
So green yellow
Forest green
Green
Too bad you didn't mentioned that in 8, DK is Yoshi's rival.
If you know, you know
Wait I gotta know
@Squirtle1208 WHAT UP!!! IT'S DASHIE!!!
@@volvoman5262 I think I’m out of the loop on the reference in this one unfortunately
@@volvoman5262WITHOUT FURTHER ADO LETS DO THIS SHIT!!!!
Godzilla vs kong reference lol?
Ok I know it’s probably just bc there’s no other zelda character, but link having no relationships is actually probably the most in character thing for him. According to Zelda’s diary, He’s incredibly guarded and feels as though emotion of any kind, positive or negative, as weakness, specifically in botw, which is this link’s home game.
bro has no enemies
@@Liliphant_ he has that unbeatable chill
It is so nice to see something confirming this mechanic, i thought i was insane thinking that Toadette was always the fiercest competitor as a Waluigi player
Same with me in MKDS but I just thought it’s purely opposite stats(I always use Yoshi which makes Bowser and Donkey Kong the rivals)
I'm actually wondering about Yoshi and Kamek. it feels like they should have a Rivalry, given that Kamek is like... one of the major antagonists of Yoshi's Series...
Same with king boo and luigi
Shoutout for getting the Kong family tree correct. WAY too many people think dk jr. Is modern DK
It doesn’t help that even plenty of official sources claim they are
@@kamileon7065most likely mistranslations
@@kamileon7065 if you’re referring to the fact some sources say cranky is dk’s father, almost all canon sources say they aren’t
Blame Rareware, they expanded the Kong verse that Nintendo went with it. Along with the Brawl codes call about DK
DK Jr. SHOULD be the current Donkey Kong all grown up since after all it would easily explain why we don’t see DK Jr. anymore. The Super Mario Bros. Movie making Donkey Kong and Cranky Kong father and son should also be made official in the games.
4:31 if you look at other games, donkey kong and bowser actually act like two sides of the same coin. In the gamecube mario parties donkey kong can interfere with bowser spaces, and in mario party 8, they literally swap places whenever you use a dk or bowser space.
So basically mario and DK in super circuit are friendly rivalries while DK and Bowser are hostile towards eachother
And they would later end up as allies serving on the same team in Skylanders Superchargers
As the rivalries started getting more complicated, some additional UI would've been nice. Specifically, an indication which of the characters currently on screen is the player and which is the rival.
The Toadette rivalry with Wario & Waluigi is probably a nod at the Mario Party series, where the team names between Toadette and the Wa's had surprisingly friendly implications - but you of all people should know. You made that video after all.
I always felt like that while Daisy *despises* Waluigi, she at least has a neutral to civil relationship with Wario. They both have similar outgoing and bombastic personalities.
I played the Mario Kart games (Wii and 8 Deluxe specifically) in a casual vacuum with my brother and friends, without any real outside knowledge aside from occasionally looking up what karts were the best for my weight class.
I wasn't aware of the specific inner workings of the game like rivalries and for the longest time I never understood why I, an Isabelle main, had so many problems with Villager. I had so many close calls, and got frustrated by the seemingly rubber banding AI that was going on. Eventually I looked up what was going on and learned about the rival system and that made a lot of sense.
Learning that these rivalries aren't a new thing is really neat, and I do like the lore implications even if I don't care too much for the implementation because I am not good at Mario Kart at the best of times.
The dashie donkey Kong rivalry makes so much more sense now
I love this aspect of Mario Kart because it shows which characters consider each other rivals, plus it literally started a 10-year-long rivalry between DashieGames & Donkey Kong
*for context, Dashie always uses Yoshi in MK8, and DK is Yoshi’s rival, so whenever Dashie gets hit in the game, he usually always blames it on DK* 💀
And let's not forget Mario Party as well 😂😂
The reason why Luigi main rival is Yoshi is because they’re racing to see who Mario’s best sidekick is.
2:55 this slightly implies that the old donkey con and the old toad has like beef between each other that’s just been going on for years.
Generational beef is crazy😭
I IMMEDIATELY knew Rosalina’s enemy in Mario Kart 7 would be Honey Bee Queen because I remember absolutely despising her. I had thought Rosalina’s other enemy would be Metal Mario though, not Toad.
When i was a kid playing Super Mario Kart, I loved taking out the 2nd place kart just so i'd have a different rival
9:46 considering its not the same donkey kong, could be also a reference to the mario vs donkey kong series
Luigi's rivals are Daisy and Mario. I find it adorable that his love interest and brother are the ones he competes against. 💚
7:18 If I had to imagine it could also be that both of them often live in forests (Wigglers first appear in the first Forest of Illusion level and Yoshi is first seen in Yoshi’s Island 2, a deep forest level.) and the rivalry could likely be friendly. I doubt it’s a hateful one because Yoshi can’t eat wigglers in most games, so they’d have no real reason to hate each other. (The only timed he could eat wiggler in was SMW and the cartoon for it.)
Also a weird rivalry I thought of in 7 was the Mii characters. Instead of letting literally any character be their rivals, each gender of mii has a specific set of 2 rivals and a secondary rival. Males get Bowser and Metal Mario as rivals and Mario as a secondary rival, and females get Yoshi and Rosalina as rivals with Peach being the secondary one for them.
Obviously Peach still hasnt forgiven Lakitu for that candid video he sold to the tabloids
I love the Toad and Rosalina friendly rivalry, but i'm surprised Wendy isn't paired with Roy, it would make more sense
I think Wiggler being rivals with Yoshi in 7 is simple, they both debuted in Super Mario World where Yoshi ate them just like any other enemy. There's bound to be plenty of animosity there.
I'm sure someone probably has mentioned it by now but the bowser dk rivalry also extends out to the mario party games with dk being the only person strong enough to fight back physically against the king Koopa
As I usually play Mario kart 8 deluxe as I remember, when I usually play as dry bones, there’s dry bowser and koopa troopa all the time. And when I play as dry bowser, there’s koopa troopa and maybe dry bones? And when I play as koopa troopa, there’s dry bones and dry bowser. This explains everything omg thank you for this video
i feel as if Mario should’ve been Links rival since the Mario and Zelda games are like the 2 biggest franchises in Nintendo
Agreed.
I feel a similar way.
That’s a huge leap
Maybe in the future if they’ll have more crossovers and the main creators or Nintendo will make it happen.
I think the Koopaling pairs have to do with their weight class: Lemmy and Larry both happen to be lightweight, Ludwig and Iggy are mediumweight, and Roy and Morton are heavyweight. Funnily enough, the SSB4 trophy description for Wendy does state that she sees Peach and Daisy as rivals.
While it's coincidental, it could also be a rivalry between them based on their personalities as he noted. Wendy/Kootie Pie has also attempted to get Mario's attention in the cartoon series, so she definitely sees the princesses as rivals.
This was also implied again in Mario and Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games where Wendy calls Peach and Daisy posers as well.
She wants their diva status. lol
This rivalry system is the reason of how Dashie's beef with Donkey Kong became a thing.
Does this explain why Donkey Kong made Dashie's MK8 playthroughs a giant mess lmao
I’ve actually been wondering about that since I’ve been playing almost exclusively as Daisy in game (mostly because she’s my favourite character) every single race I’ve played, both Walugi and Peach are always placed first and second at the start of the first race.
I’m so glad someone has talked about this, I thought I was going crazy playing as Toadette and Wario was ALWAYS THERE! 🤣
I do wonder what their connection really is all about though 🤔
Wario rivaling Daisy actually makes more sense to me than if it was Waluigi instead. It probably is a reference to the Mario Land series. With Daisy's first appearance being in Super Mario Land 1 and Wario's first appearance being in Super Mario Land 2
I think the Lakitu and Peach thing may be a subtle reference to Super Mario 64, where upon first starting the game, you see Peach asking of you to come to the castle followed by Lakitu floating around in his cloud with a camera attached to what looks like a fishing rod.
Idea: a Hidden Lore for the other sports games, Strikers and Charged is very interesting tone-wise
YES YES YEA!
Lakitu also does not have any rivals in 8 Deluxe. So him, Link and Mii. It should be noted that King Boo did not have any rivals prior to Petey Piranha's addition in Wave 5. For those who did not purchase the booster course pass, King Boo remains rival-less in single player.
I think Yoshi being Wiggler's rival is just because back in Super Mario World having Yoshi eat Wigglers were the only method to actually kill them as opposed to just making them angry.
Depending on the source, the modern Donkey Kong has been both stated to be the grandson (e.g. Donkey Kong Country, Donkey Kong Country Returns) and the son (e.g. Donkey Kong 64, The Super Mario Bros. Movie) of Cranky Kong. I've personally always subscribed to them having a father/son relationship, since this is both the case in the most recent official mention (Mario Movie) and it makes for _by far_ the cleaner timeline/family tree. With this being the case, DK Jr. and modern DK are one and the same, so their rivalry extending beyond the original game makes sense.
I'd like to think instead of a jealousy rivalry with Wendy and the princesses. Its instead a fan-girl thing, where Wendy adores the two princesses and wants to be like them
Peach - Who else was going to be Lakitu's rival? They just picked someone
Playing Boo bc he was an unlockable on mkdd was cool. Realized one of his rivals is Petey just made it cooler. King Boo's partner in mkdd.
Ok cool these exist, i genuinely thought I was just tweakin
Lakitu always upskirts Peach, so the hatred makes sense.
Whenever I play as Walugi I never focus on winning , just beating Lugi. I happy Nintendo thinks this the way I should be playing the game :)
5:06 this feels more like a Waluigi thing and more of a reference to the fact they’re both from the Mario Land series
Yeah, this exactly
Wario was main villiain in land series before taking hero role. He got Tatanga to kidnap Daisy so he could take over Mario's castle while Mario was saving princesses.
Everytime I choose Daisy there’s Waluigi and Peach, I KNOW THAT EXIST AN EXPLANATION
I saw this video as I refreshed TH-cam, and, in a panic, because I love videos like this, I frantically typed what I could recall into the search bar. I am glad your video was at the top, because k would have been extremely upset to have accidentally missed this wonder of a video! Good job!
All's well that ends well! And thanks!
I know this feeling so well
But if your name is DashieXP/DashieGames, you will have Donkey Kong as your rival in every game 😂.
I'm pretty sure this system is present in Tour too, which is weird because in that game due to top shelf characters you'll likely won't be using the same ones frequently, but i swear this system still applies somehow because i have vivid memories of Cat Toad specifically being the most annoying racer whenever present, having extraordinary luck ruining combos and catching back up, but i don't think i was using the same characters often, maybe just koopas in general?
4:01 Luigi doesn’t want Mario to get that bag, that’s why
Fun fact: Super Mario Kart is the only Mario Kart game where the cpu racers will always start and finish in a set order dependent on the character you choose, and only player interference before the finish line can alter that order
I always knew that there were certain characters that did better than the others based on which one I picked, but I just never took the time to dive into it
So that's why Toad has always been the bane of my existence.
8:58 makes me wonder if her abuse of Mario/Toads in mario maker 2 is because she's a double agent for Wario and Waluigi
WACHUMBELÖR
I mained Rosalina in MK7, and I had some tough battles with Peach as well.
I'm reminded of one of the Codex conversations in Brawl, actually, with regards to Mario and Donkey Kong III. Even Snake points out that Mario fought Cranky Kong and questions whether or not Mario and this new Donkey Kong have any bad blood between them, which Otacon confirms. I guess the Kongs as family never really forget.
***Hidden Lore of the Mushroom Kingdom***
I know the pin for the Lakitu and Peach connection is taken, but I would like to add that in Mario 3-on-3 Hoops (or Mario Slam Basketball for the Europeans), the goated Mario basketball game for the DS that features crossover characters from Final Fantasy, in the third court of the Mushroom Tourney, Peach Field, a Lakitu actually holds the only hoop on the court and switches sides depending on which team holds the ball. Another Lakitu also serves as the ball jumper throughout the whole game.
There's also the point that in Super Mario 64 DS, Lakitu actually gives Yoshi the scoop on the disappearance of Peach, Mario, Luigi, and Wario, meaning that this Lakitu has hung around long enough to see this all happen, and may imply that this Lakitu is actually a member of the Mushroom Kingdom's court because, otherwise, he's a stalker. By extension, this implies the same for the original 64 version of the game. And correct me if I'm wrong, but in those games, it's not JUST Lakitu, it's the Lakitu Bros. which must mean there's at least TWO Lakitus in alignment with the Mushroom Kingdom, and to bring it full circle... It's the ball jumper and the hoop; The Lakitu Bros...
Crazy stuff, right? They're more repressed than Toadsworth at this point.
I think the koopalings dynamic is based on the appearance they had in the old TV show super mario bros 3. In that I remember Ludwig and Iggy were in an episode to elect King Koopa as the king of the mushroom kingdom and Larry and Lemmy were together in the kidnapping of the mummy prince in desert land, although I think they may have had different names. Also Roy and Morton were paired in an episode that I can't remember, and Wendy never had a sibling that she was usually paired with.
3:08 I'd like to believe that Toads are just general rivals to the Kongs, if the Movie is anything to go off of. Which it shouldn't by the way, but it's an interesting thought.
why shouldn't it be that way?
@@clamdove3292different universes
@@memegenerator8633 or, yknow… the movie coming out way after smk?
I think that waluigi and toadette relationship comes from the fact that both were introduced in sport games in order to fill the roster. Toadette in double dash and Waluigi in Mario Tennis.
A thing I liked to do in Super Mario Kart was annoying some of the rivals to the point they could change mid-cup - because of how the AI works it's extremely hard though, usually you have to guarantee your rival is behind you (the best way is finishing 4th) and someone else wins the race, therefore turning into a new rival
7:25
Lakitu: "Please, stay of the driving course princess"
Peach: "Did i do that"
i am kiding about this interaction, most likely Balancing or a reference to lakitu being a koopa
11:25 Wendy sees herself as Daisy’s and Peach’s rival as stated in her Smash 4 trophy
All my years of paying mario kart and never knew anything about the rivalries lol
There is actually a current debate surrounding whether DK is Junior's son or Junior himself, as the 2023 Mario Movie says that DK is Cranky's son.
the movie exists in its own canon. the mainline 2d platformers are the official canon.
Personally I like to think the current Donkey Kong is Cranky Kong’s son and that he is Donkey Kong Jr. all grown up, since their relationship makes more sense when they are portrayed that way and Donkey Kong Jr. isn’t coming back anytime soon anyway unless if you count the SNES version of Donkey Kong Jr. appearing as a playable character in Mario Kart Tour but even then that was more of a retro throwback and a celebration to the Mario Kart game that started the series in the first place.
The Mario Movies are very clearly each their own continuity
Wiggler is scared and hates Yoshi, lore says that Yoshi are wigglers family and wiggler has been scared of him ever since
The Dashie Donkey Kong rivalry makes so much more sense now
They really should’ve made King Boo a Luigi Rival
Same with Peachette and Toadette and Peach
This is a system I know all too much…Dry Bowser and Koopa Troopa were the banes of my existence doing 200CC cups
Toadette has Waluigi as a rival, but for some reason when playing as Peachette, she has Wario and Yoshi as a rival
Actually they share the exact same rivals, Wario and Yoshi since they are the same person technically.
Ludwig & Iggy have unique boss battles.
Wendy is the only female koopaling, and she wants to be royalty.
3:57 In-laws having beef
So basically the TLDR for both MK8 and Deluxe is to pick Link or your Mii sense you'll have an easier time in the grand prix courses.
As someone who's played both, not exactly.
It'll just make the challenging AIs random characters, not preset ones, so you'll get a more random mix like Luigi, Yoshi and Kamek etc.
Note: I mention 3 names, since in those two games, only 3 CPUs stay close to you, the other 8 are set to be in the middle or back (basically rubbish AI and unrealistic compared to online, where everyone is much closer).
Lakitu also lacks a rival in 8 Deluxe, making him the only Mario character with this distinction. Though this does make sense when you consider that another Lakitu is the one who prevents you from careening off into the abyss.
Well prior the Booster Course Pass that wasn’t true as King Boo didn’t have any rivals but now he has Petey Piranha as his rival and vice versa.
I absolutely love these kinds of videos! Its so interesting and entertaining and fun learning about the Mario characters’ backgrounds and history and rivalries lol