Speaking of the Johnny comic, Jhonen Vasquez, its creator, is VERY critical of fans who only enjoy the superficial things rather than the deeper writing he did. Because if Johnny was written for the wrong audience, we'd get UrbanSpook's The Painter instead.
Idk if he IS nowadays, but he definetly used to be like that. You can see it in the way he writes the dialogue on the comic itself. I doubt he takes himself so seriously nowadays, though. Lol
@@BoogusBuddyNot really. JtHM is an odd duck. On the one hand, yes, he did do the edgier things because he thought it was amusing and entertaining for the sake of itself, a sort of outlet for the darker Id. But at the same time, it is also true that Jhonen was trying to say something with the comic and story. This is exactly why Mmy/Jimmy exists, because some fans just "didn't get" the story, and only liked it for the violence, gore and aesthetic, and who sometimes came across as if they were idolizing violence and killing/killers. He has stated that the dialogue does make him cringe sometimes, but not because of its content. It makes him cringe because it's basically the first thing he ever did, and would have written said dialogue much differently but with the same intent and sentiment behind the words. But no, don't mistake Johnny as a placeholder or avatar for Jhonen. There are similarities, and he did pull from himself as all writers do for their main characters. Don't forget the one mini comic from JTHM where he made fun of himself with his ridiculous portrayal of his everyday life (because people were making a very similar mistake to your assertion and thinking that Johnny was just an outlet or mouthpiece for him and his ideas. Like Johnny himself says, he isn't the hero of the story, he's the villain.)
Now that's not true lol. JtHM is probably my favorite singular story, comic or otherwise. I've been a diehard fan ever since I first read it. Urbanspook's The Painter is an interesting series (not necessarily the series itself, but moreso the conversations that it has started). I can't speak about or for the creator of it on either side of the fence, but I will say that shock horror for the sake of shock is just as legitimate as any other genre or subgenre of horror, and I think it's absolutely laughable that some people out there hold such a moral authoritarian angle with horror/analog horror and what kinds of content is "too far" or "too much" when the whole point of horror is to scare, disturb, gross-out, or sicken the audience; exploitation horror, cosmic horror, body horror, gorefests, horror-comedies, grimdark, theatrical/high-end, low budget B-movie, classic movie monsters, psychological thriller, and so on. Everything is allowed, or nothing is, as far as I'm concerned. Can it still be criticized as being shock value for shock value's sake? Or that it's low-effort for the simple presentation? If true, then sure. I'm not a fan of that series; initially it really intrigued me, and I was very interested to see what unfolded, but with the whole hoopla and some alleged things the creator has said (sorry not sorry, I can't trust a lot of what's put out there as evidence when it comes to screen caps from randos online when so much of it can be doctored or falsified. I just know that it's a given by now that he behaves and talks controversially at times at the very least), has definitely soured my interest. At this point, I just wanna know what all will be revealed or explained for curiosity's sake. (But I'll 1 million % agree that JthM is both better written and better presented than Urbanspook in every regard by a wide margin.) Anyway, rant over lol.
@@magustobias8827 That's real interesting, thanks! Although, the difference between Nny and Jhonen did make me confused at first. When I first started reading, I thought he was, like you said, some kind of mouthpiece or persona for young Jhonen to say some wild shit. As the comic goes on, however, it's much easier to settle the difference, specially later on LOL Anyways thanksssss
As a former edgy goth kid who loved these comics; It's so wild seeing stuff like I Feel Sick, JTHM and Squee being analyzed again and looked at as real works of art instead of...well just stuff an edgy 13-year old goth kid would love. Even if my tastes are more to the tune of Beksinski and Barlowe now, without Jhonen's work I'd never have learned about any of the darker side of visual arts. Sidenote: "OH MY GOD, SOMEBODY PUT SHIT IN MY PANTS!" still puts me into paroxysms of laughter.
I wasn't even Goth, and I loved the dark humor of JTHM, especially NNY's psychotic ramblings, and the Happy Noodle Boy side stories where he screams a bunch of random shit.
@@funkyweapon1981 Honestly that to me is very emblematic of the Edgy-grim-dark and the LOL RANDOM!! side of the 00s together. Both things i enjoyed back then, too!
Almost as soon as that dub for I Feel Sick began, I could only imagine Sickness as a stand-in for either an editor that wants to steal this artist’s autonomy similar to The Wall, _which seems to fit Vasquez’s works the most,_ or how I saw it, as Demotivation, since it constantly uses the opposite of “It won’t finish itself, you know,” instead suggesting you do something else for your more “impulsive wants,” instead of training your mind and active creativity.
@@IntotheDepths511 dude it Just hit me. They're the same person lmfao. I never realized that she's the person Johnny dated, dude that's insane I gotta read I feel sick
Im an 05. So eventually when I saw JTHM It was with voice acting on youtube, and man that voice is SO perfect it's not even funny. needless to say I do have a feeling a majority of what makes me pretty weird comes from seeing stuff like that a young age lmfao
Hot take, but as a Christian I love their idea of Heaven, it sounds very nice. Not a very, uh, Bible-like veiw of Heaven, since the only real ideas we get on what Heaven is like (which isn't much) is that there is everlasting worsip of God, but I love the idea in the comic, it's very funny and somewhat kinda cute.
It's definitely unique compared to other depictions of Heaven in media. But the idea that we could be so content that we could legit do nothing and be happy is a pretty neat idea.
@@IntotheDepths511 I imagine it was mostly made as a joke, and it is a funny joke, but honestly it's pretty wholesome the idea people can just be happy doing nothing lol.
Really good analysis. I’ve always tried explaining to outsiders why JTHM and I Feel Sick are so much more than they appear to be, too often they’re judged as just violent edgelord schlock as you said, but there’s a lot to them. A lot of personal expression.
JTHM was my favorite past time as a middle schooler. I knew a voice acted reading of the series on yt which was so much fun, so when you put "i feel sick" voice acted it was a nostalgia hit. also i do like happy noodle boy, he's an ashle and then ends up looking stupid about things (from what i remember) and that was funny as hell to me. also..also he was easier to draw everywhere as a kid lol.
_Johnny the Homicidal Maniac's_ gritty, dark twisted sense of humor really explains a lot where the disturbing moments in _Invader Zim_ came from, especially for that one infamous episode where Zim stole all the organs and replaced the student's insides with objects. It's just great!
As I was watching this, I saw myself in both main characters discussed (Johnny and Devi). One of them was an example of someone who fell upon a dark path with no way of coming back from it, and the other managed to break free. Both characters were put under extreme circumstances by forces neither of them could ever truly comprehend, and I found that relatable. I applaud Jhonen Vasquez for creating two characters that were essentially born from the same stitch, and was therefore able to make both the worst and best outcomes for them both.
I grew up on jthm and had a lot of the comics. They are hard to remember but one specific scene I remember is a killing spree at a coffee shop shop and the “somebody put shit in my pants” story in there. I was also pretty stoked for Invader Zim when I found it was Vasquez doing it AND EVEN MORE stoked when I realized Zim’s voice was also the alien overlord’s voice in Destroy All Humans!
JTHM will always be my favorite comic. I related so deeply to Johnny and growing up with JV's works shaped me as a person. I love that another weirdo Mexican was able to thrive and create art and it makes me feel so happy and less alone 💙
There's a comic called "I Hate Fairyland" which is unironically and unapologetically brutal regardless of being taken place in a sugary fantasy world called "Fairy Land" that the little girl, Gertrude, got stuck into. This is made by the artist who worked on Deadpool and Rocket Raccoon comics, Skottie Young.
Happy Noodle Boy was started in high school when Jhonen’s gf would ask him to make comics for her all the time so he purposely made them bad so she’d stop asking, but she loved them and just kept asking for more.
Despite the story of JTHM and I Feel Sick, and the supernatural aspects. I think what Devi got from Johnny was more than just a supernatural entity/demon. It could be psychological, due to the trauma of being attacked by someone she thought she loved and getting away, after finding out she may have been the sole survivor out of all the others hes murdered. Along with the fact that when she reported what had happened, it wasnt taken seriously
okay im DEFINITELY on the niche side of the internet I think. All I need next for absolute confirmation is for someone to mention Time Splitters 2 or something
As far i remember, johnnen confirmed that irkens are an asexual species, but since he is basically a troll creator and likes messing with is audience, is debatable whenever this is true or no
So like, JTHM is one of a genre I like to call "revenge comics" where the author vents their frustrations through art, and Johnny being a sort of self insert vessel for those (Johnny-Jhonen). To that extent Happy Noodle Boy to Johnny is like Johnny to Jhonen, it's a parody of the very comic you are reading. That's why it's so frequently featured.
40 y/o italian here. I still have 3 original issues of JHTM i picked up in highschool times. Too edgy but very stylish, love the art. 😎🤟 Today i doubt a comic like this would sell or even be permitted to exist... 😬
Me and my mom both have schizophrenia, and my mom once described it to me as your creativity turning against you. Your imagination takes your mind hostage and you lose control of who you are. Being medicated restores your sanity, but in my case also robbed me of my creativity. I can’t think of anything to draw or write and don’t really feel like myself this way either. Given that, the ending of JTHM is relatable for me. Sometimes there is no way to revert to the person you used to be and the best you can hope for is a simple existence.
Huge Jhonen fan. Thank you for making this video. I don't like gore but the way he does it is asthetically funny, and the fact he wrote most of his comics durring high school and college is a perfect vibe for young artists.
I just grabbed JTHM to reread. My older brother gave it to me a few years before ZIM. It blew my mind that they let Vasquez have a kids show. Love those comics
As someone who watched Invader Zim as a kid, and recently got SUPER into TMNT, I can’t believe it took me this long to see the visual similarities in Jhonen Vasquez’s work and Kevin Eastman’s. They both have styles that incorporate angular shapes and bold, scratchy line work
Being in High School when JtHM was released... this was so important to my growth. SLG's Lenore was also awesome. Also, Happy Noodle Boy was fantastic. Probably more Xennial humor lol.
@@IntotheDepths511 Filler Bunny was also awesome. And while the Squee comics didn't really play a part in the JtMH lore you talked about, it was good. Pepito is one of the best characters.
Dude you’re literally the perfect TH-cam channel to talk about requiem vampire knight. Please please plz do it! I’ll give my arm and leg. You literally review dark and morbid comics. It’s right up ur alley
I think Johnny was always crazy from what I remember, I think even his rational side (the bunny doll) mentions that he always did grizzly acts but ever since he moved into that house somethings been taking control of his insanity, quoting Johnny here when he says "It's like I've relinquished control of my insanity" or something like that. Johnny did like killing until he moved into that house and he highkey realized that his thoughts and needs aren't his own anymore. hence why when he "dies" there actually WAS something in the house, some monstrosity. And I had an interesting theory (to me atleast) that when Johnny visited heaven, alongside the cosmic(?)force behind the wall that made him realize that he's absolutely out of his mind he legit didn't like killing just out of being insane. Since when his fan shows up to the door, someone he would TOTALLY kill if this had been like idk weeks earlier maybe. He actually goes out of his way to just warn him and tell him to leave until his fan tells him something that was probably foreshadowed in like the first chapter idk. then he feels disgusted that before he kills the fan the fan says "we're just a like" Johnny doesn't deny that and just says "I dont like myself much". To me that was a clear indicator he legit doesn't like killing for nothing anymore like he was looking in a mirror from the past, And all of this happened right after being IN HEAVEN. So I had a little fun in thinking holy, did Heaven and awareness of an outer force in his mind kind of sets him onto the straighter path to sanity? thanks to that goated dub in the video (I never read the rest of I feel sick) I see what's going on now. JTHM is like what happens when Sick goes unnoticed and it kind of? takes over. So now Im sure that before he moved in he wasn't a murderer because he wasn't influenced by Sick. he moves in, slowly realizes he can't really draw anymore which he thinks is art block. but nothings really talking to him yet so he doesn't realize somethings wrong and I guess he falls into insanity. And now im 100% sure when he went to heaven it might have fried whatever link Sick had to Johnny by like 70% because what kind of artist is 100% sane.
I grew up with these. My sisters were goths and emos. I believe I have one of their copies of squee. I probably shouldn't have been given it to me as young as I was, lol. Love the dub of sickness.
I'm literally the same thing thing except that the difference is that I'm just not picky, which is why I LOVE Invader Zim but also LOVE cartoon comedies! I like variation!
This is just something I wanted to point out and while I'm not saying murder is alright but I can understand why Johnny got upset when he was assumed to have sexually assaulted someone. The difference between murder and sexual assault is that one has to continue to live in that broken state. Metaphorically speaking, part of them had died and constantly live in that cycle of dread as they are forced to relive that trauma. At least in death they'd be spared from that pain if that makes sense. With death there is an end, can't say the same with sexual assault and I think even Johnny sees that.
In regards to Happy Noodle Boy, I always thought it was a reflection of how dissatisfied Nny is about the comics he's making and not meant to be as hilarious as the other segments. Like you mention, Nny can only produce Happy Noodle Boy instead of his paintings and because of that, I don't think it's supposed to be all that funny, it's intentionally something low-effort to represent Nny's creative decline and current madness. I find Happy Noodle Boy entertaining (maybe because I'm part of the homeless insane demographic) when the segments come up but they're the weakest of the filler, though I think that's on purpose. Very great analysis, by the way. I re-read JtHM quite often and I should really re-read I Feel Sick and Squee's Wonderful Big Giant Book of Unspeakable Horrors as often. JtHM is a huge inspiration to me since I first read it in 8th grade, always glad to see people giving it and the extended universe around it recognition.
Something i love about johnnen is how contradictory heartwarming is stories are, is main characters are either striaght up villains (zim and johnny) or people that suffer (squee) and the rest of the people are either villains or victims, and yet there is a lot of genuinely nice moments between here and there (zim and gir relationship, johnny comforting squee) , johnny even got a hopefull ending, what makes it even better is that johnnen said that this wasnt is intention but he keep doing it, so is basically just trolling his fans
I had jthm and squee and filler bunny in middle school because I was a huge invader zim fan. The only one I liked was squee though. I have my jonny and filler bunny copies to the first person that expressed interest. I held onto squee for a decade and got pretty bummed when it had to be tossed because it got water damaged.
Good review. Exactly why i loved this comic. It was gory and gnarly but it had meaning and it was done tastefully. The art style is incredible. Vasquez made a piece of art and unfortunately it got a bad rep.
gets a like from me. Very well done. I grew up having Zim on the tv as it seemingly became pretty popular. I never knew about the creator/author, or his previous works, and I was intrigued by this. So, thanks. 👍
I started reading Jhonen’s work from a really young age , which I guess is why I was an odd kid back in the day lol glad to see it still being discussed
When I first read JTHM I interpreted it as a creative depression, not wanting to work on your projects cause they don’t come out how you want them to, or how you expect them to so you stop working on them, and it nags at you till you actually start doing it but then you feel bad cause you’re not doing it cause you want to but need to. some people actually get addicted to creative expression and they need a fix but it also has a negative impact on the overall outcome due to wanting the endorphins from completing a project which they’ll try and rush their way through for the hit but it’s rare and it’s developed over an extended period. Anyway if you make art be sure to enjoy the process and not overthink it lest it leave you in ruins.
It tickles me so to see new young folks discovering JV. As an edgy artist and teen goth in the early-mid 2000s JTHM was my SHIT. I even borrowed the collected edition from a girl I knew that worked at Hot Topic, for max 2000s teen mallgothiness. I've long since aged out of the edge, but looking back always fills me with a certain warmth.
I grew up loving Jhonens comics, when zim was announced me & my brother lost our friggin minds we were so excited. when I was 11 I met Jhonen at the Toronto fan expo convention, got a bunch of autographs, it was a great time. As an adult, i still appreciate his work's influence on me; but reading the comics now I find them much less enjoyable than I had previously. I'm not a big fan of Jhonen himself or his personality, and certainly his fanbase is pretty pretentious & annoying. But I'll always fondly remember being a young goth kid, years before the hot topic Gir craze, years before Zim, feeling like I had discovered what I thought at the time was an amazing work of art. It was a major part of my childhood & created in me a love for comics.
I’ve known the story of Johnny for about 10 years and yet right now all I can think about is this one page that went something like… “Hell is paying 50 cents for cream cheese.”
Holy shit, seeing someone bring up JTHM in 2024 just unlocked memories I haven't thought about in years. These comics were hugely influential to me during my angry teenager years.
’ll be honest being reminded of this comic and seeing the artwork and how morbid fucked up it is put a smile on my face. It makes me happy in a dark time. I don’t know why.
Jhonen went to school at one of my rival high schools, knowing the references from where his experiences come from every page is relatable. The overlook of the SJ valley from a hilltop in JTHM or even the late night Taco Bell jokes; everything hits. Short one page insanity, intercut by barely drawn ideas to full blown gothic horror. 🤘🏾long live Squee
Speaking of the Johnny comic, Jhonen Vasquez, its creator, is VERY critical of fans who only enjoy the superficial things rather than the deeper writing he did.
Because if Johnny was written for the wrong audience, we'd get UrbanSpook's The Painter instead.
Idk if he IS nowadays, but he definetly used to be like that. You can see it in the way he writes the dialogue on the comic itself.
I doubt he takes himself so seriously nowadays, though. Lol
You should watch the newest episode of The Painter. It's REALLY good.
@@BoogusBuddyNot really. JtHM is an odd duck. On the one hand, yes, he did do the edgier things because he thought it was amusing and entertaining for the sake of itself, a sort of outlet for the darker Id. But at the same time, it is also true that Jhonen was trying to say something with the comic and story. This is exactly why Mmy/Jimmy exists, because some fans just "didn't get" the story, and only liked it for the violence, gore and aesthetic, and who sometimes came across as if they were idolizing violence and killing/killers.
He has stated that the dialogue does make him cringe sometimes, but not because of its content. It makes him cringe because it's basically the first thing he ever did, and would have written said dialogue much differently but with the same intent and sentiment behind the words.
But no, don't mistake Johnny as a placeholder or avatar for Jhonen. There are similarities, and he did pull from himself as all writers do for their main characters. Don't forget the one mini comic from JTHM where he made fun of himself with his ridiculous portrayal of his everyday life (because people were making a very similar mistake to your assertion and thinking that Johnny was just an outlet or mouthpiece for him and his ideas. Like Johnny himself says, he isn't the hero of the story, he's the villain.)
Now that's not true lol.
JtHM is probably my favorite singular story, comic or otherwise. I've been a diehard fan ever since I first read it.
Urbanspook's The Painter is an interesting series (not necessarily the series itself, but moreso the conversations that it has started). I can't speak about or for the creator of it on either side of the fence, but I will say that shock horror for the sake of shock is just as legitimate as any other genre or subgenre of horror, and I think it's absolutely laughable that some people out there hold such a moral authoritarian angle with horror/analog horror and what kinds of content is "too far" or "too much" when the whole point of horror is to scare, disturb, gross-out, or sicken the audience; exploitation horror, cosmic horror, body horror, gorefests, horror-comedies, grimdark, theatrical/high-end, low budget B-movie, classic movie monsters, psychological thriller, and so on. Everything is allowed, or nothing is, as far as I'm concerned. Can it still be criticized as being shock value for shock value's sake? Or that it's low-effort for the simple presentation? If true, then sure. I'm not a fan of that series; initially it really intrigued me, and I was very interested to see what unfolded, but with the whole hoopla and some alleged things the creator has said (sorry not sorry, I can't trust a lot of what's put out there as evidence when it comes to screen caps from randos online when so much of it can be doctored or falsified. I just know that it's a given by now that he behaves and talks controversially at times at the very least), has definitely soured my interest. At this point, I just wanna know what all will be revealed or explained for curiosity's sake.
(But I'll 1 million % agree that JthM is both better written and better presented than Urbanspook in every regard by a wide margin.)
Anyway, rant over lol.
@@magustobias8827 That's real interesting, thanks!
Although, the difference between Nny and Jhonen did make me confused at first. When I first started reading, I thought he was, like you said, some kind of mouthpiece or persona for young Jhonen to say some wild shit. As the comic goes on, however, it's much easier to settle the difference, specially later on LOL
Anyways thanksssss
As a former edgy goth kid who loved these comics; It's so wild seeing stuff like I Feel Sick, JTHM and Squee being analyzed again and looked at as real works of art instead of...well just stuff an edgy 13-year old goth kid would love. Even if my tastes are more to the tune of Beksinski and Barlowe now, without Jhonen's work I'd never have learned about any of the darker side of visual arts.
Sidenote: "OH MY GOD, SOMEBODY PUT SHIT IN MY PANTS!" still puts me into paroxysms of laughter.
Cheers and you have great taste. Beksinski is my favorite painter of all time
I wasn't even Goth, and I loved the dark humor of JTHM, especially NNY's psychotic ramblings, and the Happy Noodle Boy side stories where he screams a bunch of random shit.
@@funkyweapon1981 Honestly that to me is very emblematic of the Edgy-grim-dark and the LOL RANDOM!! side of the 00s together. Both things i enjoyed back then, too!
@@funkyweapon1981😮😮😢😮😮😊
ahh a fellow Jhonen, Beksinski and Barlowe enthusiast, you have my respect :D
That the wall is an metaphor for an editor is just...Johnen BREATHES creativity.
Almost as soon as that dub for I Feel Sick began, I could only imagine Sickness as a stand-in for either an editor that wants to steal this artist’s autonomy similar to The Wall, _which seems to fit Vasquez’s works the most,_
or how I saw it, as Demotivation, since it constantly uses the opposite of “It won’t finish itself, you know,” instead suggesting you do something else for your more “impulsive wants,” instead of training your mind and active creativity.
I feel like Johnny is a dark version of what Squee would’ve become without intervention
The dub part of "I feel sick" is anazing
Yeah Leyley did a great job.
@@IntotheDepths511 dude it Just hit me. They're the same person lmfao. I never realized that she's the person Johnny dated, dude that's insane I gotta read I feel sick
You’re such a breath of fresh air to the comic dissection genre. I love your stuff man
He's just doin' what's necessary; keepin' that wall wet, bebe... :]
Johnny the Homicidal Maniac?!? My favorite comic series when I was an edgy 14 year old in the early 2,000's. Haha
Im an 05. So eventually when I saw JTHM It was with voice acting on youtube, and man that voice is SO perfect it's not even funny. needless to say I do have a feeling a majority of what makes me pretty weird comes from seeing stuff like that a young age lmfao
When the world needed him most
exactly, I've been praying for days like these 😭
@@KINO.mp4 you don’t know how hyped i was when i saw it in my notifications
We need him again Now I think... More than ever
@@corruptiongamer4566 i swear Fr
Hot take, but as a Christian I love their idea of Heaven, it sounds very nice. Not a very, uh, Bible-like veiw of Heaven, since the only real ideas we get on what Heaven is like (which isn't much) is that there is everlasting worsip of God, but I love the idea in the comic, it's very funny and somewhat kinda cute.
It's definitely unique compared to other depictions of Heaven in media. But the idea that we could be so content that we could legit do nothing and be happy is a pretty neat idea.
@@IntotheDepths511 I imagine it was mostly made as a joke, and it is a funny joke, but honestly it's pretty wholesome the idea people can just be happy doing nothing lol.
@@RallyTheTally I agree, and they're not even necessarily "happy", just content.
Really good analysis. I’ve always tried explaining to outsiders why JTHM and I Feel Sick are so much more than they appear to be, too often they’re judged as just violent edgelord schlock as you said, but there’s a lot to them. A lot of personal expression.
JTHM was my favorite past time as a middle schooler. I knew a voice acted reading of the series on yt which was so much fun, so when you put "i feel sick" voice acted it was a nostalgia hit.
also i do like happy noodle boy, he's an ashle and then ends up looking stupid about things (from what i remember) and that was funny as hell to me. also..also he was easier to draw everywhere as a kid lol.
as an invader zim fan and soon to be jthm fan (im getting the comic delivered tomorrow), i thank you for this
_Johnny the Homicidal Maniac's_ gritty, dark twisted sense of humor really explains a lot where the disturbing moments in _Invader Zim_ came from, especially for that one infamous episode where Zim stole all the organs and replaced the student's insides with objects. It's just great!
Dark Harvest 😈
@@maricampari3970 TORQUE SMACKEEEEE!!!
As I was watching this, I saw myself in both main characters discussed (Johnny and Devi). One of them was an example of someone who fell upon a dark path with no way of coming back from it, and the other managed to break free. Both characters were put under extreme circumstances by forces neither of them could ever truly comprehend, and I found that relatable. I applaud Jhonen Vasquez for creating two characters that were essentially born from the same stitch, and was therefore able to make both the worst and best outcomes for them both.
Shout out to Meg Griffin for voicing Debbie
I grew up on jthm and had a lot of the comics. They are hard to remember but one specific scene I remember is a killing spree at a coffee shop shop and the “somebody put shit in my pants” story in there.
I was also pretty stoked for Invader Zim when I found it was Vasquez doing it
AND EVEN MORE stoked when I realized Zim’s voice was also the alien overlord’s voice in Destroy All Humans!
JTHM will always be my favorite comic. I related so deeply to Johnny and growing up with JV's works shaped me as a person. I love that another weirdo Mexican was able to thrive and create art and it makes me feel so happy and less alone 💙
Cartoons and comics needs to go back to being a little edgy, gorey or just plain weird, everything feels to sanizated nowadays
There's a comic called "I Hate Fairyland" which is unironically and unapologetically brutal regardless of being taken place in a sugary fantasy world called "Fairy Land" that the little girl, Gertrude, got stuck into. This is made by the artist who worked on Deadpool and Rocket Raccoon comics, Skottie Young.
@@poweroffriendship2.0Noicee,actually watched another TH-camr cover all the current chapters. An it’s actually rlly good & funny
Read dog ningen
There still is a good amount of gory, edgy, and/or just plain weird stuff out there. You've just gotta look for it.
Have you ever heard of madness combat?
Its kinda funny that the jonan vasquez really went to pitch this story to nickelodeon and failed but atllest we got invader zim 😅
Happy Noodle Boy was started in high school when Jhonen’s gf would ask him to make comics for her all the time so he purposely made them bad so she’d stop asking, but she loved them and just kept asking for more.
It makes me so happy to see people talking about jthm, my friend got me into it around a year ago and i still read it over and over, great video dude!
Despite the story of JTHM and I Feel Sick, and the supernatural aspects. I think what Devi got from Johnny was more than just a supernatural entity/demon. It could be psychological, due to the trauma of being attacked by someone she thought she loved and getting away, after finding out she may have been the sole survivor out of all the others hes murdered. Along with the fact that when she reported what had happened, it wasnt taken seriously
These supernatural entities really like procrastinating people.
0:25 I think you'll enjoy Code Lyoko. it defnitly has those moments
okay im DEFINITELY on the niche side of the internet I think. All I need next for absolute confirmation is for someone to mention Time Splitters 2 or something
Love that show
I like the bumbling aliens appearing in both this and IZ. At least they don't give Zim a chicken lol
As far i remember, johnnen confirmed that irkens are an asexual species, but since he is basically a troll creator and likes messing with is audience, is debatable whenever this is true or no
So like, JTHM is one of a genre I like to call "revenge comics" where the author vents their frustrations through art, and Johnny being a sort of self insert vessel for those (Johnny-Jhonen). To that extent Happy Noodle Boy to Johnny is like Johnny to Jhonen, it's a parody of the very comic you are reading. That's why it's so frequently featured.
40 y/o italian here. I still have 3 original issues of JHTM i picked up in highschool times.
Too edgy but very stylish, love the art. 😎🤟
Today i doubt a comic like this would sell or even be permitted to exist... 😬
Me and my mom both have schizophrenia, and my mom once described it to me as your creativity turning against you. Your imagination takes your mind hostage and you lose control of who you are. Being medicated restores your sanity, but in my case also robbed me of my creativity. I can’t think of anything to draw or write and don’t really feel like myself this way either. Given that, the ending of JTHM is relatable for me. Sometimes there is no way to revert to the person you used to be and the best you can hope for is a simple existence.
Huge Jhonen fan. Thank you for making this video. I don't like gore but the way he does it is asthetically funny, and the fact he wrote most of his comics durring high school and college is a perfect vibe for young artists.
This was a really great video 👍
Someone actually turned “I feel sick” and JTHM into comic dubs
I love to see more from you
Watched those too! Gotta find them again and rewatch. Perfect for Halloween time
Wow. I was not imagining to kinda relate to some of this stuff. I guess all artist have their own Sickness one way or another.
I just grabbed JTHM to reread. My older brother gave it to me a few years before ZIM. It blew my mind that they let Vasquez have a kids show. Love those comics
As someone who watched Invader Zim as a kid, and recently got SUPER into TMNT, I can’t believe it took me this long to see the visual similarities in Jhonen Vasquez’s work and Kevin Eastman’s. They both have styles that incorporate angular shapes and bold, scratchy line work
Loved this comic thanks for reminding me this existed 😭😭
I'm convinced Invader Zim is what introduced me to body horror
Ah Jhonen Vasquez! One of my fave artists! Creator of Johnny, Squee & Invader Zim.
Being in High School when JtHM was released... this was so important to my growth. SLG's Lenore was also awesome.
Also, Happy Noodle Boy was fantastic. Probably more Xennial humor lol.
lol yeah it went kinda over my head. Wobbly Headed Bob was pretty cool though
@@IntotheDepths511 Filler Bunny was also awesome. And while the Squee comics didn't really play a part in the JtMH lore you talked about, it was good. Pepito is one of the best characters.
I grew up on invader zim and seeing this just sent goosebumps of excitement I wanna read every volume now, this guy really is a master of storytelling
Dude you’re literally the perfect TH-cam channel to talk about requiem vampire knight. Please please plz do it! I’ll give my arm and leg. You literally review dark and morbid comics. It’s right up ur alley
I’ll have to check it out
"i always liked feeling uncomfortable" oh gee you would love my past xd *chronic stress disorder intensifies*
While I never read Johnny The Homicidal Maniac, but I'm a huge fan of Invader Zim and its made me want to check out some of Jhonna Vazquez other work.
Also, thank you for posting this before Halloween. I was already mentally skipping it for Christmas.
I can hear Mariah Carey in my walls
This video just unlocked CORE MEMORIES. I’m pretty sure my aunt saw that I had his early comics when I was little and hid them from me 😂
I think Johnny was always crazy from what I remember, I think even his rational side (the bunny doll) mentions that he always did grizzly acts but ever since he moved into that house somethings been taking control of his insanity, quoting Johnny here when he says "It's like I've relinquished control of my insanity" or something like that.
Johnny did like killing until he moved into that house and he highkey realized that his thoughts and needs aren't his own anymore. hence why when he "dies" there actually WAS something in the house, some monstrosity. And I had an interesting theory (to me atleast) that when Johnny visited heaven, alongside the cosmic(?)force behind the wall that made him realize that he's absolutely out of his mind he legit didn't like killing just out of being insane. Since when his fan shows up to the door, someone he would TOTALLY kill if this had been like idk weeks earlier maybe. He actually goes out of his way to just warn him and tell him to leave until his fan tells him something that was probably foreshadowed in like the first chapter idk.
then he feels disgusted that before he kills the fan the fan says "we're just a like" Johnny doesn't deny that and just says "I dont like myself much". To me that was a clear indicator he legit doesn't like killing for nothing anymore like he was looking in a mirror from the past, And all of this happened right after being IN HEAVEN. So I had a little fun in thinking holy, did Heaven and awareness of an outer force in his mind kind of sets him onto the straighter path to sanity?
thanks to that goated dub in the video (I never read the rest of I feel sick) I see what's going on now. JTHM is like what happens when Sick goes unnoticed and it kind of? takes over. So now Im sure that before he moved in he wasn't a murderer because he wasn't influenced by Sick. he moves in, slowly realizes he can't really draw anymore which he thinks is art block. but nothings really talking to him yet so he doesn't realize somethings wrong and I guess he falls into insanity. And now im 100% sure when he went to heaven it might have fried whatever link Sick had to Johnny by like 70% because what kind of artist is 100% sane.
Not like Noodle Boy! "You is my Elf Ho!" "No not the lawn gnome!"
JtHM is such a good and underrated comic series. Edit: 18:08 I see that The Crow parody poster back there on that girl's bedroom wall
I appreciate your coverage of these b&w comics
lol yeah not a ton of comic channels cover a ton of b&w comics
Im trying to find videos on publishers around that time that aren’t around anymore so hard to find
I grew up with these. My sisters were goths and emos. I believe I have one of their copies of squee.
I probably shouldn't have been given it to me as young as I was, lol.
Love the dub of sickness.
I'm literally the same thing thing except that the difference is that I'm just not picky, which is why I LOVE Invader Zim but also LOVE cartoon comedies! I like variation!
JOHNNY THE HOMICIDAL MANIAC MENTIONED!!!!!!
ITS SUCHED AN UNDERRATED COMIC!!!!!!!
This is just something I wanted to point out and while I'm not saying murder is alright but I can understand why Johnny got upset when he was assumed to have sexually assaulted someone. The difference between murder and sexual assault is that one has to continue to live in that broken state. Metaphorically speaking, part of them had died and constantly live in that cycle of dread as they are forced to relive that trauma. At least in death they'd be spared from that pain if that makes sense. With death there is an end, can't say the same with sexual assault and I think even Johnny sees that.
I see where “Foamy the Squirrel and Gwendolyn(?)” came from lol
In regards to Happy Noodle Boy, I always thought it was a reflection of how dissatisfied Nny is about the comics he's making and not meant to be as hilarious as the other segments. Like you mention, Nny can only produce Happy Noodle Boy instead of his paintings and because of that, I don't think it's supposed to be all that funny, it's intentionally something low-effort to represent Nny's creative decline and current madness. I find Happy Noodle Boy entertaining (maybe because I'm part of the homeless insane demographic) when the segments come up but they're the weakest of the filler, though I think that's on purpose.
Very great analysis, by the way. I re-read JtHM quite often and I should really re-read I Feel Sick and Squee's Wonderful Big Giant Book of Unspeakable Horrors as often. JtHM is a huge inspiration to me since I first read it in 8th grade, always glad to see people giving it and the extended universe around it recognition.
Awesome as always man great work
I adore the art of this comic
Some of this stuff is literally laugh out loud funny. I love JTHM
As a (sorta) full time artist who is currently struggling with commissions and money.... Damn, this hit hard for me
Something i love about johnnen is how contradictory heartwarming is stories are, is main characters are either striaght up villains (zim and johnny) or people that suffer (squee) and the rest of the people are either villains or victims, and yet there is a lot of genuinely nice moments between here and there (zim and gir relationship, johnny comforting squee) , johnny even got a hopefull ending, what makes it even better is that johnnen said that this wasnt is intention but he keep doing it, so is basically just trolling his fans
Great video but thia video made mw realize Jhonnen is never happy lol. Shame JTHM could of easily of continued with more wild antics.
He does seem to have a morbid sense of humor.
I had jthm and squee and filler bunny in middle school because I was a huge invader zim fan. The only one I liked was squee though. I have my jonny and filler bunny copies to the first person that expressed interest. I held onto squee for a decade and got pretty bummed when it had to be tossed because it got water damaged.
Really cool seeing someone make a vid about these books sometimes I feel like I’m the only person who read em lol
Neat. I know the feeling of loss for the love of drawing.
Good review. Exactly why i loved this comic. It was gory and gnarly but it had meaning and it was done tastefully. The art style is incredible. Vasquez made a piece of art and unfortunately it got a bad rep.
gets a like from me. Very well done. I grew up having Zim on the tv as it seemingly became pretty popular. I never knew about the creator/author, or his previous works, and I was intrigued by this. So, thanks. 👍
I started reading Jhonen’s work from a really young age , which I guess is why I was an odd kid back in the day lol glad to see it still being discussed
When I first read JTHM I interpreted it as a creative depression, not wanting to work on your projects cause they don’t come out how you want them to, or how you expect them to so you stop working on them, and it nags at you till you actually start doing it but then you feel bad cause you’re not doing it cause you want to but need to.
some people actually get addicted to creative expression and they need a fix but it also has a negative impact on the overall outcome due to wanting the endorphins from completing a project which they’ll try and rush their way through for the hit but it’s rare and it’s developed over an extended period.
Anyway if you make art be sure to enjoy the process and not overthink it lest it leave you in ruins.
That’s a really fascinating take on it.
A great video on the deep dive of a comic i never knew i was gonna like!
I'd recognise that thumbnail anywhere lol. Glad to see Jhonen getting some love in 2024, the man deserves it more than most ❤
Also Phenomenal video like usual. Keep up the great work : )
You sir have great taste in cartoons.
Thank you kindly
I think the voice of murdoc from the gorillaz rock band would be the perfect voice for Johnny.
You weird asf for even finding something like this. That being said, I like u; subscribed
Holy shit! This is why I'm here . Vasquez formed my whole world view for a long time. (Not in a literal way)
As much as I liked these comics, I never understood how anyone saw them and said “let’s give this guy a children’s show”
Someone was thinking two steps ahead
YES YES YES YES I'VE BEEN WAITING
I bought the full collections of jthm and squee about a month ago. Those comics made my high-school years
Johnny The Homicidal Maniac was such an interesting read. Loved it!
man i feel robbed that Zim never aired in sweden
You were robbed.
Wish I never lost my directors cut copy oof
Seeing people bring up JTHM again in 2024 fills me with a type of joy
Nice profile picture
It tickles me so to see new young folks discovering JV. As an edgy artist and teen goth in the early-mid 2000s JTHM was my SHIT. I even borrowed the collected edition from a girl I knew that worked at Hot Topic, for max 2000s teen mallgothiness. I've long since aged out of the edge, but looking back always fills me with a certain warmth.
I do find it interesting that this comic expresses a lot of the issues jonan vasquez had to go through as an artist.🐱
I love jthm sm. I get so happy every time someone talks about it🤩
I’m happy I made you happy
I grew up loving Jhonens comics, when zim was announced me & my brother lost our friggin minds we were so excited. when I was 11 I met Jhonen at the Toronto fan expo convention, got a bunch of autographs, it was a great time. As an adult, i still appreciate his work's influence on me; but reading the comics now I find them much less enjoyable than I had previously. I'm not a big fan of Jhonen himself or his personality, and certainly his fanbase is pretty pretentious & annoying. But I'll always fondly remember being a young goth kid, years before the hot topic Gir craze, years before Zim, feeling like I had discovered what I thought at the time was an amazing work of art. It was a major part of my childhood & created in me a love for comics.
I’ve known the story of Johnny for about 10 years and yet right now all I can think about is this one page that went something like…
“Hell is paying 50 cents for cream cheese.”
This could be my monitor but when the images are scrolling down its slightly choppy and a bit offputting
love the video, keep it up!
Yeah that's a common issue with scrolling visuals. Glad you enjoyed it, though!
soooooooooooo I found my new fav channel dammm okay
BRO I was reading that as a 13-14 year old I love them
Holy shit, seeing someone bring up JTHM in 2024 just unlocked memories I haven't thought about in years. These comics were hugely influential to me during my angry teenager years.
omg finally sum1 is talking about these, I literally love these comics dude, "SQUEE" is also rly good too
’ll be honest being reminded of this comic and seeing the artwork and how morbid fucked up it is put a smile on my face. It makes me happy in a dark time. I don’t know why.
Jhonen Vasquez comics have my whole soul and are why I still draw today
Jhonen went to school at one of my rival high schools, knowing the references from where his experiences come from every page is relatable. The overlook of the SJ valley from a hilltop in JTHM or even the late night Taco Bell jokes; everything hits. Short one page insanity, intercut by barely drawn ideas to full blown gothic horror. 🤘🏾long live Squee
I still have my jthm! I need to get squee again and I feel sick but I remember not liking I feel sick as much
I love JTHM im so happy people are covering it
"Inanimate objects"
_Shows a cat_
True for most hours of the day
Excellent work.
I love the art style in JTHM
Jhonnen Vazquez Alan ituriel Jorge Gutiérrez are of My favorite cartoon creators ever
I actually screamed when I saw this video???/pos