Who Can Make The REVERSE Training Stage Jump? Complete With Sora - Super Smash Bros Ultimate
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Pikachu can make the reverse jump in a variety of ways, check out other comments or try for yourself. Since all the strats so far depend on Pika's lower side-b endlag, I haven't found one yet that also applies to Pichu. (My mistake here was assuming that since Pichu couldn't do it, Pikachu couldn't either.)
Lucas has been confirmed to make it, see izandai do it here: th-cam.com/video/SPGKYFTh1qI/w-d-xo.html
Luigi *should* make the reverse jump with a triple misfire, but I don't have a misfire mod and I'm not interested in grinding for it lol. Someone with the mod can let me know if it works, you'd up-b and drift left after.
Hero level 2 up-b doesn't get you nearly enough distance, level 3 is much better.
Pikachu can make it with a running coyote jump, charged smash input side-b, uncharged smash input side-b, walljump b-reverse thunder, doublejump thunder, hold down-left to avoid grabbing ledge, walljump, up-b. An alternative route is jump thunder, doublejump thunder, uncharged smash input side-b x3, up-b.
@@kensen2580 oh thanks for the reminder to update this, I was able to do PIka with the double thunder strat. and now the coyote jump strat is actually the third unique strat that gets pika a complete
I am a lucas main, and I think it's possible with the lucas ledge glitch. (if you fly into it with up-b at the right time you just about double your height)
Maybe you could make it back with sora by flying…
Here’s my video on how to do it
th-cam.com/video/6XUF2wbtgVU/w-d-xo.html
I figured the weird ledge tech Lucas has would give him the necessary height, glad that’s cleared up here
So practical, so TAS
Hello there Mario master, good to see u here
Hey it’s the fast gamer guy
@@dive2hearts No 🙂
@@dive2hearts Self advertising is a big nono on the internet
Man took over a year to upload a video and come back with, “Now that Sora is here.” Lol great to have you back tho
he uploaded 4 months ago brotha
Fun fact: hero’s half charge up b sends more horizontally than fully charged up b
Wait really ?
Yup, it still isn't enough tho because you go not high enough to make it unfortunately
Sora can also make it by nair looping DK all the way to the blast zone, unless attacking the opponent is off limits.
Everytime you use nair you lose some height so he will fall but atleast he can get more distance without jumping
If you time it correctly you actually gain height
@@fabgames7131 with fair you gain height tho
He did mention that players couldn’t get direct help from other players
@@gbx4858 That makes sense, these comments had me wondering why he never did a Luigi ladder to get Luigi to pass.
Steve: reality can be whatever I want
when you wall jumped out of lucario uspecial i thought “why not just uspecial again?” then i remembered this isn’t rivals
Oh hey you’re that guy who does the cool rivals workshop stuff
Thank you for the rivals creations
The fact u abbreviate up special as uspecial instead of abbreviating the longer word (up b) hurts me. You literally only saved 2 characters
@@lucasrhee2401 Rival players be like
@@ZachX888 Nah. That's not Rivals players. This guy might not even have the game lmao.
That strategy with Hero was way too sick. Impressive work
honestly, I'd think it'd be better to put the reverse training jump stuff in three separate parts. One for failing the reverse entirely, another for making it to the 'landing' (the area below the platform), and for the ones who can get back to the starting point completely.
I was thinking that too.
you got a like for the sephiroth part alone. there was so much creativity
edit: and the jr part too. thank you for doing my turtle in a car justice
Hero might've been able to do it without giant as swoosh (up-b charge level 2) gives much better horizontal movement.
That's what I was thinking too
I love how the links windbomb made it into ultimate
Meta Knight can make the Reverse Training Stage Jump. Start neutral-b at the apex of the last jump and start mashing on frame 18. It’s possible to do it with frame 17 and 19 but 18 is the best. You have to mash the b button at a constant rate of 10 clicks per second or once every 6 frames, so it is humanly possible and I did it myself.
did you record it?
@@AlfA-3621 No.
10 clicks per second, shesh.
i mean if you do it frame by frame then it ain’t that hard
RETURN OF THE KING. Seriously; I half forgot I was subbed to you, what a weird feeling to have this concluded after so long
Fun fact: if you use Fair or Bair after Sonic's up B, you travel a lil bit further for no reason
It’s because using an aerial resets his air speed and acceleration to normal, so Sonic can also use up air or neutral air to travel farther. (But not down air because it’s a falling down air.)
Luigi can stick to walls with his side b, idk if that changes anything, but worth noting.
Practical TAS: my finger got sore of meta knights neatural b
Me: turbo button
Lucas might actually be able to make it. There’s a glitch with his up b that makes him go way farther when he passes by a ledge. Beefy smash doods showed off the glitch recently
th-cam.com/video/SPGKYFTh1qI/w-d-xo.html he can make it
*Welcome baaaaaack!!* We missed you!!
Sonic tech: side b and flick the right stick, he'll cancel the spindash into a jump and get a ton of distance (consuming the jump itself though), maybe he can make it that way
I'm pretty sure using his Down Special straight from the Spring sends him further than the spinshot technique in Ultimate, I know it does in the other games.
glad to see this its been a while
2:49 HEY, GIMME THAT BACK!!
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Blizzaga also helps you recover the same way Firaga does, so you can do them back to back.
I'm glad you remember that Peach's bob-omb exists, unlike other youtubers i won't mention... **ahem** Prowder **ahem**
Using Hero’s up-b 2 might be better than his up-b 3 in a couple of these examples; it offers more horizontal mobility in exchange for less vertical mobility. Not that it matters too much since he made it regardless, but it might make the reverse jump less timing dependent, for example
Whoah, this is amazing, he finally uploaded!
So basically if you have Thundaga active if you jump under stage and activate it, it’ll hit above the stage then just recover with up B and side B pretty affective if stage isn’t very tall. Just saw a video on it and holy crap it’ll catch your opponent off guard
7:10 i don't know why but this fills me up with joy.
TAS and the training jump have returned
Don't mash with Villager's Up-B. Simply hold the B button as you fly.
I think the Pac-Man route is made more difficult than it needs to be, I cannot record a route since I don't have a switch with me but I will outline the method
Walk to the ledge to get a ledge teeter animation
Place down hydrant
Run off hydrant and roll to the ledge, so you're inside the hydrant
Shield the 2 waters, so you stay inside
Fully charge side b in the direction you want to go
This makes the side b go much further than before and you still have your double jump. Hope this helps and someone tries it out!
Also, upair stalls pacman slightly, this might increase the range you can drift in the air!
wow this is a crazy strat, i just tried it and it comes close. might make it if i test it more
@@PracticalTASwhat if u got Luigi with THREE MISFIRES and got him stuck in the last block’s wall in doing so. I think he could make it however:
1/10*10*10*2
Is pretty low odds
Very beginning of the video: Proves kirby can do the training room jump with both Greninja hat and Steve hat
End of the video: Kirby still can't make the jump
feel bads
Pulling that off with Hero that was godlike
HE'S BACK! :D
why did I miss this incredible reappearance from you, I would have been so hyped to see this in my notifs
Wow. Thank was quick
F***ing legend.
0:00 waluigi: am i a JOKE to you?!
How many trys did it take to get jigglypuff across? Looks like the timing of the jumps and side b is very precise.
ROB, Olimar, Lucario, Hero...
The four of you make me so proud~
You must be fun in arenas
@@tap7645 Everyone needs a bit of chaos in their lives~
Pikachu can make the reverse jump! I'll see if I can record it, but in the meantime, here's the method I used:
Roll left to ledge
Full hop with left drift
At peak of full hop, non-smash skull bash (undershoots right platform)
Buffer double jump with left drift
At peak of double jump, smash skull bash (overshoots left platform)
Wait just a bit
Non smash skull bash, holding down to not hit the ledge
Wall jump
At peak of wall jump, quick attack at angles about 120 and 150
Land on the stage :
Oh wow, confirmed! Thank you
Woah this is cool
Fun facts for improvement:
-Game and watch can D.A.D after up b but you have to close parachute
-Sonic can use homing attack to recover (I'd recommend 2 player for this one but it is possible with one player 2 controllers)
Please read this so you can make a follow up part 4 where you attempt these strats (plus the successful copy abilities) on the backwards challenge
g&w is correct, and i did forget to do it, but it doesn't help him complete the challenge
for sonic, one rule is that you can't get help from the other character, which includes bayo 2x side-b, sonic homing, belmont dair bounce, etc
@@PracticalTAS I forgot about that
@@PracticalTAS would using a homing attack for extra forward momentum (no extra player involvement, just the raw move) at the end have too much lag to then perform the air dodge up?
2:08 "wanna see me speed bridge?"
Beefy Smash Doods figured out in their video today that Lucas can grind up a wall with his UpB and he gets a huge burst of height. He might actually be able to make it doing that. You should check it out.
Oh wow, that must have been what happened in the original video with Lucas, and how I got it with only one up-b. I just tried it out and got the height burst, but it doesn't look like it's enough to reach - the extra speed looks like it stops when you stop riding the first ledge.
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he returns less goooo!!!!!
To add to the list of Copy Abilities that Kirby can use to make the regular Training Stage Jump, there's another that I managed to pull off: Sonic - albeit, the timing is pretty strict, Kirby just barely makes it.
To make it work, start with a jump into an airdodge (diagonally-upwards), going low past the ledge, then using jumps 2-5 carefully so that you've got as much height as possible (going just under the Battlefield portion). At the peak of the fifth jump, B-Reverse the Homing Attack in a position so that you bonk the other side of the Battlefield portion. Then use the last jump and time the Up B to get to the ledge.
The B-Reversed Homing Attack part is the hardest part of this due to the way it works against the sides of stages, and it took a while to get down with some consistency. Without proper height going off that, Kirby just barely doesn't make it with that last jump into the Up B. I originally thought this Copy Ability wouldn't make it without Sonic standing at the ledge to Homing Attack off of (which I feel would have been cheating), but this method can work. It'll definitely take a lot of practice, though.
For hero have ya tried using acceltrattle and then use zoom? Because u can cancel zooms going down animation
I've been eagerly awaiting this update since the second video. Thank you for delivering.
Get ready for more Mother Boy BS though because I *think* Lucas can make the reverse jump. Maybe. See, his up-b has a janky interaction with ledges where if you aim *just* below the ledge and hold down (so he doesn't snap to ledge) he'll shoot up way above the ledge. The height he gets seems to depend on how good your aim is and at what point in his up-b you touch the wall, with a sweetspot near but not quite at the end of his up-b (I don't think the height you get depends on the angle you're going at, or at least not much, thank goodness). I was able to use this property to get to the top of the left side by falling from the left side and starting my up-b just as Lucas's feet touch his right eyebrow in his P1 character portrait in fixed camera view. There *should* be other positions that will also give the required height, I think, and it's just a question of whether or not any of them are reachable when starting on the right side and bonking off the left wall. I wasn't able to do it, but I also have barely touched Lucas (or Ness) before this, so I'm far from competent at aiming his up-b.
BTW, I was using 1/4 speed to make the positioning and timing easier, but from my testing I don't think that impacts the janky behavior at all, so this should all work at normal speed too.
EDIT: After a bit more testing I was able to get up to the top of the left side twice at full speed, once with the setup I described above, and once by starting my up b closer to the wall and a bit lower down, going up at an even steeper angle to hit the ledge properly.
Edit 2: Okay, I still haven't managed it yet, but I'm almost completely certain this is possible. The key is to bonk very high up the left wall, at the very end of your first up-b, so you get a small recoil, which you can cancel fast enough to get the correct horizontal position. Then it should just be a matter of controlling the up-b projectile precisely enough to hit Lucas at the correct vertical position and at the right angle to get the janky ledge fly.
someone else suggested this, and i was able to get the boost, but it wasn't close enough to reach sadly. were you able to reach from below the ledge with the second up-b, after a wall bounce?
@@PracticalTAS Not yet, but I'm almost certain it's possible. I'll keep plugging away at it and let you know if I manage it (no capture card so I probably won't be able to provide video evidence, unfortunately).
No luck yet?
Just saw your video on it, nice
Links in every challenge : So anyway, I start *blowing myself up.*
pikachu can make it if you do 2 jump thunders and then you can do 3 tap side b's and just barely have enough height to up b before hitting the ground. i tried this a while back with pichu too and got it with a similar setup but wasnt able to replicate it
I know Pichu can do it but it’s extremely difficult to do in real time.
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For coming back as hero doesnt the second charge of up b have more horizontal range? Correct me if im wrong
I just checked lv2 swoosh + acceleratle and it turns out it doesn't really help. good idea though, it *is* supposed to be the horizontal one.
@@PracticalTAS aight thanks for the reply and for checkin
@@Butterkix It’s really for horizontal in order to save mana, not for distance.
@@Trybel training mode, it goes bit farther, test it
@@Butterkix the distance is hardly noticeable in a real setting, to be frank. It’s main use is still to save mana
Mii Swordfighter can make it farther With the moveset 2132 Neutral b just stalls but with down b you can drift a bit farther like Mario, and the up be is Ike's if it drifted more, its strangely really good, of course, side b also helps
Mac can do with the aerial double jump tech, I swear bro, trust me bro
Sora with 2 extra jumps can make It from the right of temple around the mini island under the temple and grab the ledge of that mini island from the left
For the hero i think you can do it without hocus-pocus, maybe if you charge the tornado to level 2 , so you can go farther
Lightly charged hero up b gives yu more control then the fully charged version
Pichu can make the Reverse Training Stage Jump. Jump down b as left as possible. Drift left a little bit after. Jump down b as left as possible again. Drift left a little bit after. Then 2 smash side bs, wall jump, then up b at angles 120 and 180.
Luigi could get it with 3 misfires.
I believe the odds of it is 0.001%
Though, I maybe wrong
To test that out he would need an always misfire mod
@@ragsdale5028 close. it's 0.001 or 0.1%. units matter here. a 1/10 chance isn't a .1% chance
I’ve seen a 4 in a row before.
According to a comment on a Marss video, Joker actually can make it if you use Gun in midair, which stalls Joker's vertical speed.
I assume you’d have to use gun without gun dash
If you use everything you can you can actually go through battle field rather than under it while doing the training stage jump
WOOOOOOOOOOO
Imma villager main let me explain the up b, the way it works is the up b as u know is very controllable allowing you to go up down if u don’t hit b right and left due to this in order to gain more control of the up b u must mash to avoid getting the balloons popped during a recovery and mashing super quick allows a slightly higher vertical gain then if u mashed slower due to the move being time based on that u have a time limit for how long u can go up without the balloons piping on their own if that makes an sense
My brain hurt from reading all of that but it was helpful.
Try using more than 1 sentence next time though lol
@@desuvult8463 sorry it’s kinda complicated hard to skim down
Im super late but found out pikachu can do it easily, jump thunder and double jump thunder then side b 3 times, make sure to smash input, afterwards its easy to reach the platform w up b
Wont work with pichu tho, his side b has a lot more endlag
dk can go slightly farther with cargo down throw due to the little flutter effect it has, but he still fails
Do you think you could've jumped out of zoom with acelerattle active and then made it with hero?
What is that music at the start of the reverse attempts?
does mashing b during villager up b make you travel farther or something? ive always just held b down while recovering whenever i play as them
try to do this without mashing, it's just barely not enough. but if you mash sometimes it gives you the tiny bit of extra height you need.
I've been wondering for so long, how do you wall jump/cling off a same-sided wall twice?
I think it's a matter of gaining additional height.
I think Yoshi could actually send himself farther when you use Egg Throw immediately.
Min min has a grounded up b that launches her into the air, can be angled, and doesn't stop her from double jumping, air dodging, or using aerial up b. I can't test right now but she might be able to make the normal training stage jump.
Even with ARMS Jump, her horizontal recovery isn't great, therefore she can't make it.
The king is back
Nice
triple misfire third into wall for luigi so he can make it and why can't you just pk thunder off the wall? (i'm talking about the walll to the far left right under where they need to get to)
Thanks for the likes
The luigi one makes sense but i dont get what you mean with the pk thunder one. How can he hit the far left wall when he cant even reach it?
@@tareqal-hasan4975 ness can infinitly bounce off things he can tech off of and at most points in the reverse jump theres a wall he can use.
@@gnarkaaga just read off the smash wiki to make sure right now and it says pk thunder can only be used once after bouncing of a wall with it. Bouncing another time of a wall will result in helplessness immediately. That's why i was confused with your comment. I would try it out myself but I dont have a switch
@@tareqal-hasan4975 oh. Sorry I thought Ness could just chill in the air forever.
Not saying Sora would make it, but I think you could push this further by stalling with another neutral special. Like full hop > firaga > thundaga > double jump > blizzaga > up B > side B would be the optimal string for aerial distance I think (neutral specials don’t matter, just assuming starting on firaga)
Ih just like the other ones i’m prob gonna be watching this one A LOT of times
i got a smash ultimate ad before this lmao
Actually, if you time it right Steve doesn't even need a minecart with the first jump
You can hold b for villager/isabelle up b to go high no need to mash
Mashing grants slightly more height than holding the button
@@gbx4858 that is news to me
How far does Yoshi have the right to go then?
Kirby can make the regular Training Stage Jump by using his copy ability on Jigglypuff, Marth, Lucina, Joker, Kazuya, and Sora too. (And Sonic if Kirby uses him again to home in on him, but that counts even less.)
Not technically someone went snooping through the files and saw a blank near the guardian helmet which might mean there's actually 1 last dlc character
maybe you can go across the stage with sora if you use an enemy as help cause then you can just f air him right? like 1,2 1,2 1,2
Using Sora Blizzaga before firaga makes him jump a little further.
Challenges: *Exists*
Hero: *"E Z"*
Luigi can make the Reverse Training Stage Jump with only 2 misfires. I did it with 2 smash side bs each from a jump and I charged each side b until I got around the apex of each jump. I then did 2 more side bs with each one being a misfire. With the second misfire I stuck myself to the wall then I did up b and drifted to the leftmost platform.
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luigi might be able to make it with multiple misfires
Terry can actually get closer if you use "Crack Shoot" which is his back b special.
Im just gonna ask the question immediately. Which of Kirby’s hats can help him make the reverse jump? (If that helps him)
Final DLC should've been Raiden.
That picture of jack in that transition screen had me laughing my heart out
1:34 cool
Apparently there’s a glitch that might help Lucas in particular get further, if not make it. If you can perfectly aim PK Thunder Tackle to slide along a wall and go above a ledge, the distance Lucas flies in the direction he was going in effectively gets doubled. I remember there was a Beefy Smash Dudes video on it or something.
Idea: Who can make the training stage jump without jumping
I’m pretty sure Sephiroth could’ve made it. What are you doing wrong was after you did all of that you air dodged and then he fell off stage and then you tried to recover, what you needed to do was just do his upper special sideways and then he probably would’ve grabbed ledge
He has to land on the leftmost platform, remember?
So they decided to add wind bombing to smash in links move set
You could use the infinite nair loop for Sora probably?