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- This video discusses the structural differences bet Judo and Japanese Jujutsu, and how they differ in terms of systems and foundation.
Koryu & Gendai:
jujutsukan.blogspot.com/2018/...
Judo ranking history:
www.abergavennyjudo.co.uk/judo...
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@@Chadi how is Jujutsu different from aiki Jujutsu ?
I’m a JJJ black belt under my father Eric Marshall 8th Dan in Liverpool England. Foul tactics such as eye gouging, weapon defences are a large part of our syllabus. I’m also a BJJ brown belt and know full well if we’re in an emergency type situation such as a home invasion or military combat these traditional foul tactics would be extremely valuable.. 🥋
Thank you for sharing
Eye gouging n ear pulling is fair game on d streets where it all matters.. no rules no break
It seems to me like if you're an experience BJJ practitioner in a street fight: 1 your structure, composure, and technique are so much better than theirs that they're unnecessary. Or 2, it's not a particularly difficult to add eye gouge to your arsenal of available techniques at a moments notice.
Foul tactics…survival methods when thing are for real.
I remember learning jiu jitsu with your dad when I was a child. Always had so much respect for him even as a child
When I first learnt Judo, the instructor told the class that Judo was Jujutsu with all the bad things taken out :) That's right, I wanted to learn Jujutsu right there and then. Unfortunately, there was no school for it in my small Australian town until much, much later! It sort of reminds of the saying about Aikido, if you hit the ground laughing you are doing Aikido, if you hit the ground in pain then you are doing Daito Ryu.
That's briliiant
More like if u hit the ground& they jerk u up by ur arm and smash ur face or neck driving u down wit there foot then its datou-ryu.
@@rudycuyno171 hahaha - that's hilarous
The practice of Judo is a wonderful complement to Ju Jitsu. That said Judo is also a subset of Jujitsu. I remember going to my first Judo class and when I did rendori with the Sensei every technique I tried I was constantly told that it was illegal in Judo. Judo is great up until you realize that an attacker can kick, punch and choke you among other things.
@@adobo1976 It's sort of like doing 100 meter dash until you realize someone can shoot you in the back. Then you realize you're doing sports for other reasons than to street fight.
Between this channel and Jesse Enkamp’s channel I’m really learning a lot about two of my favorite martial arts styles. I’ve gained a greater appreciation for both besides just learning to fight.
I'm glad, thank you
@@Chadi I also feel this way, just thought you should know.
@@binaryglitch64 🙇🏻♂️
Jesse Enkamp should collaborate with Chadi when Jesse returns to Japan.
That would be epic!
In experience, and knowledge of the biomechanics of the techniques existing in systems of the Koryu and Gendai era's, including the overall philosophies of Bugei, Budo, Kobudo, etc, Mr. Chadi is Light-years ahead of Enkamp. Mr. Chadi is an
It's a gross mistake to e compare these two.
0:00 - Introduction
0:15 - Jujutsu
0:40 - Jujutsu myths
1:15 - Ranking
1:35 - Jujutsu
2:00 - Judo
2:55 - Criticisms
5:10 - Koryu & gendai (school pre & post 1860's)
5:35 - Koryu
8:15 - Gendai
13:30 - Conclusion
I agree with you chadi about the ranking system in judo, I trained judo for many years could only and barely afford to pay for lessons I began to excel after 3 years but could not afford belt testing, competitions and the like and easily defeated dan ranks in my club, as a learning disabled individual with a limited income I've trained alone for many years because I feel alienated by instructors and clubs just because of my economic status.
Wasteman
@Anglo_Browza what martial art do you practice. What is your rank
I totally agreed with the perspective of the guy you called a wasteman
Before I call you worse I would like to try to converse and explain my perspective
The amount of content you put out is amazing!
Thank you Gabriel
One of the best in youtube man. Thanks for the time and effort.
Fascinating as always. One addition. In Portuguese we refer to the place where we practice and learn BJJ as "Academia." Which means literally "Academy." But we also call gyms "academia." So we dont exactly call it a gym, but we kind of do. I agree with you, BJJ ditched too much of the ceremonial cordiality. BJJ instructors themselves clinch, I meant cringe, at being called a coach. But no one calls them sensei. I call them "mestre" (master/teacher/instructor). But I'm the weirdo in class.
Of course most Americans are very informal so they don't care.
Great channel and content for hard core traditional martial artists! Thank you for your work!
Chadi, your videos are so insightful. Thank you so much!!
The moral aspect wasn't "introduced" into Judo. It has ALWAYS been part of the Judo system practiced and taught by the originator of Judo, Jigoro Kano. Jigoro Kano actually learned many techniques from a couple of different jujutsu schools before starting his own Judo system. So, Judo is a combination of many Jujutsu techniques from different schools with some improvements and changes based on his own invention. There are Japanese movies and TV series that are based on the real life of Jigoro Kano.
movies and tv series are "based on" . not saying you are wrong but if thats your only source you'd be foolish to trust them alone
@@lowlowseesee You big "if" is really silly. Why don't you do some research before you even question or challenge what other people are saying? It is more than foolish. LOL
@@lowlowseesee It's historical fact. I mean even haphazard research on google will bring you to historical source...
I love the budo way of etiquette. It should be that way with all martial arts. I love the way Roy Dean conducts his Dojo and teachings.
100%
I'm a big fan of Roy Dean
It is interesting how passionate you are when it comes to upholding tradition and respecting history. I wholeheartedly agree with it. Unfortunately the gym culture (more prevalent in BJJ) is largely be due to how the teacher/owner behaves and runs his school and how educated he is.
Exactly
🙌🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 well said and good points. I love and respect your content. Keep it going. Respect to you brother. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾.
Great video chadi, very informative
Yet another insightful and fantastic post it.
Please keep them coming.
👍👍
As an aside Sir, my thoughts and prayers are with all of the people affected in your homeland.
❤️❤️
Thank you so much
Chadi thank you for uttering such great words wisdom. Respectfully I say continue your labors on behalf of Judo. God bless you and your entire family.
Im studying Japanese jiu jitsu now. I'm liking it a lot thank you for this info.
"Randori" literally means chaos making though, and in a Japanese Jujutsu context that definitely does not always translate to sparring
It could easily mean five guys make a circle around you, and as soon as you lock eyes with one, they attack you with one specific attack they chose, then you do a pre-arranged defense against it (not sparring), then you lock eyes with someone else, and the cycle continues. The chaos comes from the fact that they don't know what order they'll attack you in, and you don't know what attack they will pick to use against you.
Just throwing that out there when the statement "Japanese Jujutsu schools had been doing randori for x years" is stated. There is more than one (Very different) interpretation of what randori could look like when it comes to Japanese Jujutsu
Yes indeed
Jujitsu schools allowed severe injuries and deaths and they frequently happened. There’s the context of jujitsu.
Judo made randori safe for sport and saved Japanese arts from being outlawed.
The footage of the guys showing technics around 12:00 is awesome and shows much more knowledge of what is teached today
Most interesting & well thought of regarding the structures of both arts.
Thank you Stephen much appreciated
At my gy...dojo we bow when entering and leaving the mat space. Also at the end of class there is a formal bow.
I absolutely LOVE these historical breakdowns!
Thank you Jason
For safety bow to your opponent before each engagement to show you are ready to begin
This was great. At my high school, we had a gym. 3/4 was used by basketball and other clubs but the corner used for karate, kendo, and judo clubs was always called dojo. When kendo had a competition, the whole gym was called dojo. Even students messing around with throws at the park called the place they used, dojo.
Jo means place and dojo is the place you practice your do. Wherever that is should be respected.
Wow. This was amazing. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you Reginald
I loved the old footage of the practical use of the arts.
Dojo is the Japanese term but most brazilian call it a academy and in Western Countries we call it a gym but in eastern European countries they call it a training hall. I'm honestly fine with whatever but to remember when you go to bjj its a bjj culture and not a Judo culture. Less formal, a different game and i believe this is great. When in Rome do as the Romans. When in bjj do as the bjj'er and when in Judo do as the judokas. Just my 2 cents as someone who does both for a long time.
It's a school in my opinion not a weight lifting room
Yes but even if BJJ is cooler the word academy keeps this idea of a place with a teacher dispensing knowledge to students. Not using the term dojo shows how BJJ cut off its root with japanese culture but the idea has remained the same. Which is fine to me.
I agree 100% with you. I prefer the pratical approach of BJJ without the pomposity of the Judo. In BJJ there is not much authority appeal and it is way less formal and chill.
I guess it is all about culture even if judo has more rituals. They told that in BJJ you have to bow down in a line with graded sorted out (not sure it is the case in judo from my long lost memory). White belt should not invite upper grade to roll even to be taught as it would be interpreted as a form of challenge. It seems quite related to brazilian culture if I am not wrong. Instead you have to wait to be invited.
If I return to judo (I stopped with a lower belt) as adults beginners are not so common I am quite sure I would be more obviously invited to randori.
During my few attemps in BJJ it was very common to let complete rookie white belt roll together (which is a good way to make place for injury and spazz) for a noob like I was.
During my last 10 years of Hema fencing I took notice to train rookies to help them not getting to many wrong habits, avoid injury and speed up their learning. As fighting in a crowded place with everyone with a sword, a spear or another weapon I already had a radar to alway keep an eye on my moves, my back and my fellow comrades. So learning that full strengh experienced jiu-jitsukas rolling have priority if they are rolling to close to me kind of pissed me off. Surely a cultural thing too. To me an experience fighter will adapt to others and to the ground/crowd. But I understand that brazilian culture emphasize some "privileges" for the kings of the mat.
Long thread to say that BJJ is way less ritualized than judo but is not so chilled out on some aspects. I guess it is quite normal as it is a martial art it has to be a minimum strict on some rules or tradition as well.
The term gymnasium refers to places in ancient Greece dedicated to physical training, but also philosophical, intellectual and social intercourse. Taking this meaning, I'd say it's appropriate. However, I also get the resistance to being compared to a globo gym!
It's interesting that you speak of respect and etiquette, when it comes to a Judo, Karate, or any other Martial Arts school. This point was heavily emphasized in my Judo and Karate classes when I started training in Martial Arts fifty years ago when I was 13 years young. We had to bow to the class and our teacher every time we entered or left the class for any reason. We had to walk backward to the edge of the class by the door, and not turn our back to the class, when leaving the class. In my Judo school, we were told how to put our Gi together and fold it, and wrap our belt around it. (Like a briefcase). We were told In both my Judo and Karate classes, not to boast about our training. Wash our Gi and dry it in a discreet part of the house, so the neighbors wouldn't see it. (hanging on the laundry rope in the yard was common practice). I appreciate the fact that I was exposed to and trained in a traditional way in Martial Arts in Asia, and tried to pass that on to my students years later. Like many other sport forms, Martial Arts became commercialized, and then it was ruined with the advent of MMAs and cage brawls. I still enjoy and train with much respect for different systems, the lineage holders and the masters.
I agree with calling it a dojo. My Brazilian jiu-jitsu academy calls it a academy and my coach says we also have a “gym section” my judo sensei calls it a dojo and for the wrestlers a lot of them still say dojo but some call it the mat room
Indeed
Personally i feel if it leaves the Japanese fundamentals it shouldnt be called a dojo
Interesting that in this old Judo takes they used a lot of atemi. 7:56 Mifune used even a kick to the shinbone and a knee to the tailbone. His selfdefence techniques from that on look very much like the westernised versions of JuJutsu/JuJitsu/JiuJitsu.
This is Kata
I've worked the doors for a number of years and Japanese Jujitsu is far more effective in the streets for self defense, Especially when it kicks off in a nightclub or bar. Rolling around on the ground isn't the best option when there are multiple attackers.
Great video (as usual)!!!! My understanding of the colored belt system is: There were three white belt Kyu's, three brown belt Kyu's and then Shodan. The main reason for the colored ranks is it showed everyone in the dojo your ability to take falls without getting hurt. The advanced belts could also guage what throws to practice when doing Randori. Advanced ranks also knew it was their responsibility to ensure Uke fell in a safe manner.
As far as structural differences between Judo & Jujitsu: Kano actually changed a lot of the practical application of techniques. Judo techniques are designed to scoop under and lift up an opponent while classic Jujitsu techniques cut through the body and often angle downward in a way that destroys joints. It was this change that made full speed Randori a practical tool for training. Before that Randori was quite dangerous.
Also Judo throwing set up is based off of the bodies natural default to correct balance. Whereas Jujitsu uses the pain response of the nervous system to create an autonomic response by stretching and twisting limbs in a way that causes the muscles to contract. This locks up the joint and/or rips it apart.
good summary.
Thanks for the video. It is good to see the differences between judo and jujutsu. I'm on my way to become like you, because I'm a 4rd kyu in aikido and a purple belt in judo.
By the way, not all Brazilians HATE authority. What we disrespect is CORRUPTION.
He never said all but many Brazilians in the United States don't have respect
Spot on on the gym vs dojo and the bow in and out before and after entering the dojo.
Thank you Chris!
Amazing channel thanks for sharing
Some moves are in Aikido but most of it are from Judo. I learned a little in Aikido and Judo and all those moves look familiar to me. It was executed differently but the techniques are the same. This video reminds me of my training in my younger years. I started martial arts training in the age of 18 and stopped practicing at the age of 30.Thank you for this video.
Thank you for sharing
Very interesting. Many thanks :)
shit i´ve been waiting for something like this for a long time now, not a lot of people who are japanese traditional martial arts nerds out there.
Glad i can help
hey @@Chadi question, any chance you will be talking about the history of daito-ryu aiki jujutsu? if you already have i will go see it. if you didn´t... Now you have a video idea for the future.
@@mat34105 sure
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@@Chadi hehehe boy, nice
Kali Southpaw I know! With the prevalence and popularity of bjj, I think every martial artist who practice grappling can benefit from learning about various history of grappling in asia! Perhaps chadi should also look into grappling in africa and europe as well!
When judo arrived to the UK, it was viewed as an "advance" form of jujutsu
Indeed
We've always viewed Yawara as advanced Ju Jitsu. Judo is a subset of Ju Jitsu but the techniques Judo players practice are very valuable and effective techniques.
It is, Jujutsu is the technique, Judo is the way of life.. ❤️
@@linuxjodi4311 Right. A quote from Kano
@@adobo1976 jujitsu is a mix of yawara, taijutsu, koppojutsu, kumiuchi and others… judo made jujitsu safe for competition.
Congratulations, Chadi, for your channel!! You have been doing a very good job!!
André Menezes.
Jiujitsu 2nd Degree Black Belt
Thank you
Got to be honest i started in jujitsu but after 3yrs we had a meeting with the local judo club, The judo club told us we could use anything we want except butting , eye or mouth gouging and pulling hair, they even gave us a demo with the instructor and as it was a sport they would be respectful,(take it easy) but they werent boasting, we couldnt impliment anything as we were not use to real sparring(,Randori), and you could see they were taking it easy on us, we still got our arse kicked and you could see they were holding back, they just kept us off balance then took us to the ground and wrapped us up. Its apples and oranges, it would be different imo if you did randori like judokas, I also didnt realise they did goshin jitsu in like a bunkai/ kata form. Great channel.
Great content
Great video, as always! I like the idea of keeping the words "dojo" and "sensei". I mean, most BJJ schools use the word "osu" now so I'm not sure why the culture hasn't grown to accept those as well. From what I've experienced at Renzo's and Marcelo's schools, a lot of students use the terms "academy" and "professor". Much better than "gym", but I wonder your opinion on those words. Originally I thought it was a bit pretentious, but overtime I've grown accepting of their use.
Agreed! Thank you Iria
They probably calque it to English from their Latin based Portuguese. It's not pretentious. Our "pretentious" words are French based, i.e. Latin based and not English based.
brightness - lumimance
movie - cinema
length - duration
etc . . .
Do BJJutsuka still refer to dogi as “kimono”?
Actually the word gym is from an ancient Greek word gymnasium.
Gymnasium is originally a school of physical education (exactly like a dojo).
Then gymnasium became a school of both physical and intellectual education.
Then gymnasium became a school of intellectual education.
Then gym became what we know today ala bodybuilding, coming back closer to the original meaning.
Come to think of it the movie and the name "Gymkata" is very appropriate.
The closest descendant of the Greek gym(asium) is gymnastics.
That’s part of the difference: dojo are not limited to martial arts: a do / way can pertain to various disciplines, and dedication to the way has nuance beyond the physical training aspect.
I think if you're going to discuss the difference between modern jujutsu schools and koryu schools then you should probably mention the menkyo kaiden system. Also even in the Edo period martial arts schools were still mostly weapons based. Sure jujutsu became more important as time went on, but even Fusen ryu was a comprehensive martial arts school which included naginatas swords daggers truncheons etc.
I still have another video about this topic
Amen to the rant about calling the Dojo a "gym". Great content as usual. Thanks!
Thank you
@Kevin Geaslin Or people who calls every martial art "Karate" lol
Great video. I was listening very closely as a Koryu Jujutsu instructor, since many people tend to share wrong information. When you called out people calling the dojo a "gym", you earned my respect. Great stuff, keep it up! Subbed.
Interesting view on the gym thing man, I think I’ll start calling it a dojo to keep the respect, and I always bow when entering and leaving the mat but my teacher doesn’t really allow the sensei/master thing, he just prefers his name
What is the music?
Edit: nvm I found it
Mauro Rawn - Swords.
Bought a few of the tracks from same album
Also the unscripted passion at 10:58 is a thing of beauty.
@Khabib Nurmagomedov Can you describe what is confusing to you? I'll break it down to a third grade level so you can better understand it.
Hi Chadi! Thanks so much for all your great content! Would you have any recommended books for looking at the development of jiu-jitsu/judo/bjj?
Jigork Kano "Mind over muscle" and Kawaishi "my method of judo" which showcases a lot of the dangerous and banned techniques just to get a taste of how it was
@@Chadi Great! Thanks very much
Does anybody know where this old footage of all these demonstrations of techniques can be found or what it might be called?
Liberace famously once told Johnny Carson, I play Beethoven but leave the boreing notes out... he was joking. There is something to the mischaracterization that Judo took out dirty techniques. The real question is, where does that misconception come from? what is the basis?
The Koryu were not based on individual talents, they were based on making sure there was Menkyo Kudan, so the art could survive, they were based on training individuals, and pomulgating the system. Even today in many Gendai arts, its all about the system, not looking great. Every family had fighters, teachers, succession, etc. The problem is, on the battle field if the head lineage holder died, and there was no successor, your art died. And, you could have Joe who has a Koryu and it is superb, but he has no son, and no successor, and jim, who has an awful art, but has five sons, all who are ready to succeed dad... What art survives? Hint: the best/better is not a consideration here.
This is important because it ties into the notion of a great teacher, developing individuals, developing talent... none of which really mattered much as a concern for a battlefield art. Samurai youth never even picked up a weapon until around early adolescence... Body movement was taught culturally. Now, put yourself in the position of a Ko ryu functionary, with a son... He comes of age, and you have weapons to show him, among them how to use razor blades with handles (originally it might have been bow and arrow, then spear, eventually the sword). Most of the training, initially will not be subtle, it will not be developmental in any fundamental respect. It will be how to handle, on a basic level, the weapons.
The fact of the matter is, technique and approach DID develop in these Ko Ryu Ha. Despite the rudimentary concerns, etc. That is because even with all the considerations above, the battle field was an equalizer. What one winds up with are techniques that are in these systems, based on the ability to walk away with all one's toes, fingers, head, and a similar IQ as when one entered the fray. True social Darwinism. This is miraculous... It should never be sold short, compared to how something like Judo has the luxury of functioning...
The Ju Jutsu systems were different in the Ko Ryu, the common element was, throws, chokes, and locks were used to break things, or put the enemy into a position so a weapon could be grabbed... unless the art had techniques for body guarding which needed restraint (without drawing blood from those to be restrained). Were some of these approaches changed during the civil period of Japanese history? Any martial art that is effective will adapt to the environment in which it is used... Throwing someone on their head, taking a strangle hold and slamming the spine with the chest on one's head, etc... may have not been necessary, and (despite common misconception) Samurai did tend to avoid killing when they could...
But things like gaining position first, then applying technique are developments that came when competitive aspects, Budo aspects of the arts developed. In battle armour (Yora kuma uchi) the first person to hit the ground was usually mounted, helmet lifted, throat cut... there was no grapple for position, etc. You cannot truly practice martial arts full bore... You can go hammer and tongs, and do an excellent job of recreating a legitimate skeptical environment, but the body and mind do not function the same way. For example, lets say we are going to have a go... I am bigger and stronger, I like to grapple and you are smaller, with perhaps more formal skills... You will, no matter what, in a contest under sportive conditions, be concerned about ego, perhaps wanting to do well, maybe you can get fired up?
Now, you see your wife and kids, abused and bloody, and this time? the person who did it is a little bigger, stronger, may like to grapple... you are smaller, have some formal skills... do you give a shit? Do you think you may fight a little different? given the situation?
I am brazilian but i dislike when ppl insist to say that brazilian Jiu Jitsu is brazilian, lol.
Thank you
My late father learnt Jujutsu and taught me Jujtusu, lot more striking, lot more breaks, rips, dislocations, even gouges apart from throws, trips, and locks, there was also quite a bit of weapons use (some of it applies/derives from armoured fighting as well). It's well rounded and works in conjunction with my family Shastar style, but there were so many styles of Jujutsu that it's hard to generalise since Judo is standardised. No?
When promoting in judo isn’t that academic style of promotion good for the growth of judo? Learning all these different throws and being able to demo them even if they aren’t your style. In BJJ for instance our promotions are so wildly different. I might demo some technique, explain some techniques, have my performance measured in sparring or competition, and have met a certain time requirement. Some schools a blue belt can hang with a brown belt from some other school. But with judo don’t you guys have a more uniform standard for belts or is this just me looking at the grass on the other side? If you guys do have a better standard for schools what are the drawbacks if any. (Barring the seminar requirement as you mentioned earlier in the video.) love the videos man. They are the perfect length to walk my dog and get a good listen in!
Requirements in judo for promotion differs based on which part of the world you live in and whether the national federation of that territory puts more emphasis on the ijf sporting aspect. For instance, judo where I am from ...( Guyana) is much more old school based on the fact the first judo school was heavily influenced by 3 Japanese exponents, 2 of whom also taught Jiu-Jitsu, Nakayama,Kanai and another one( can't remember his name) ....so what happens here is that there is a syllabus to be followed....comprising of a set amount of standing and ground techniques for each level, upon mastering these techniques via drilling them in various ways...they are then battle tested and students are advised to make suitable necessary adjustments as see fit...according to individuality, students then continue to practise the techniques in the basic form and in free sparring until the instructors decides that the student is ready for a promotion( there's no set time but its usually 6-8 months) this goes on until the green belt is achieved after which the student must now practice a minimum 10-12 months to take the blue belt exam...and then thereafter another minimum 12 months for the brown belt exam...holders of the brown belt wait on average 2-3 years before being allowed to take the black belt exam....at the exams, students are tested on theory, insight, demos and finally randori( free sparring).....blue belts and upwards must also demonstrate self defense tactics and techniques in an un- staged environment..... So it will take about 6 to 8 years to achieve a judo black belt in my dojo.....
At my dojo I'll get promoted if I'm ragdolling someone thats a higher belt than me. I was at white belt for 3 years but I was completely demolishing a blue belt in randori and newaza so he promoted me that day. Similar thing happened with blue and brown belt also. But for black belt you have to test before a board and your sensei doesn't have much control over it
Understood, over here...recognised 3rd degree black belts(and upwards ) after informing the national federation of their intention.... can promote exponents to black belt at their discretion... However it is common in this scenario that a representative of the federation board be invited to the exam to verify that the exponent taking the exam is indeed of standard to take the exam....if the instructor does not hold the required rank to enact an exam......the national federation takes over the process of promotion
Hi Chadi , the menkyo kaiden would be a great topic who got them why they got them ,PS love your work thanks
Thank you very much Yawara girl, do you have a Menkyo Kaiden???
@@Chadi Hi Chadi yes I do I got it in 1995 , five years after I received my Shodan in Kito Ryu I did not think I was worthy of it,(and did not understand) but now many years on I see what they saw in me , They knew I was in for the long haul, they could see I was not a quitter,I never wanted to teach, but my teacher got very sick,and so I took over ,now I am 60 and love what I do
I really enjoyed this video! I got to view authentic Japanese Jujutsu as it was practiced straight from Japan at the turn of the 19th to 20th century.
The best illustration of the difference between Judo and Jujutsu can be observed in the middle of the video in the dojo kumite demonstration between the elderly Jujutsu master and his sempei, advanced student. The younger man is sporting a short mustache. You know that is an old video as mustaches enjoyed a short fashion in Japan only in the first two decades of the 20th century or so.
You see Jujutsu demonstrated in all its historical reality between the master and his semper. It is clearly not the sport Judo you see today. It is all, attack-defend-counterattack-neutralize the attacker.
You see regular use of atemi hand strikes from the Jujutsu master during a counter move and as a finish after bringing the attacker to the ground.
You see the master using a lot of edge-of-hand strikes, something rarely seen today in modern martial arts. The knife hand or sword hand strikes are nearly extinct in today's martial arts but are still invaluable for Street self defense. The old nicknames were, the Judo chop and the Karate chop.
Also see the master employing lightning fast low kicks as a defensive response in itself. The sempei moves in to attack and the master just responds with a fast low kick to stop him. This is classic Jujutsu.
You will not see these hand and foot strikes in Judo until at minimum reaching shodan rank and, if your Judo dojo master teaches the historic self defense part of historic Judo.
As my teachers came from the nakoni system (no belts but patches called cherry blossoms to indicate level) and i was tought both that and the modernized (belt) system here in the Netherlands. They always said the belt was to keep your pants from dropping. The classical system didn't have grades. It was hand to hand combat for soldiers. Brutal, simple, effective. The syllabus was about 200 techniques. And yes eye gouging was part of it, as was everything destructive. The newer system had another 100 added techniques that were mostly just a variation on an existing move. That, if you had the theory down, one could've just thought of oneself. In the 90's they took out most of the "dangerous" techniques and suplimented them by using mainly judo throws. The curriculum became more extensive adding another couple of hundred variational moves.
And the entire belt grading system became even more political instead of merit based. You could only do exams twice a year, and if you skipped one that meant you had to wait for the next opertunity. The entire dan system had little to do with technical expertise. And everything with politics. Beyond 3rd Dan it's all what have you done for the association or school. It became a ceremonial thing that added little. More about status and bragging rights. Like a rotary club. Unfortunately it's lost much of it's former identity and glory. The effectiveness really depending on who taught you and how they themselves were introduced to techniques. Even worse in some styles of karate you could have a teacher who was completely useless, but good at kata and in sparring get his butt handed to him by a 16 year old that knew more and wasn't even a karateka. It's a shame it all got so far removed from it's origin. Atemi is laughably bad these days compared to the days where striking was an integral part of the art.
The gym is an American term. Gym is a break away from dojo because in the US people who train at Dojos are typically associated with traditional martial arts aka who do not spar and are ineffective at fighting. In Portuguese it is called academia. Your teacher is called professor (which is a portugues translation of sensei)
That's great to know
"American" is what? from USA? Due to USA is what martial arts are now. The people that are not well received in the World are mostly from USA; Brasil; Argentina and Germany; then from couple of East Euro Countries.
Because of the way they are is that the Gracie found that niche in the 90s in USA. Same people; same idiosyncrasy
Both of these Art's show no mercy.
can you please tell me what is the music used in the background?
Great job! 100% agree that too much bureaucracy destroys the true purpose and the core of the art itself. Sad but true...
Indeed
In one of the techniques that was being demonstrated around 10 minutes I saw a Chinese chin-na this practice today in Shaolin very interesting. The entry was a bear hug instead of a hair grab.
I would say Kyu/colored belt ranks help mostly for modern times and western practitioners, which, specially when young, need more progress feedback and goals.
In classic japanese culture this is not so much needed, as patience and tireless practice and repetition are key values.
Excelente!!! Parabéns 👏👏👏
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great video
Thank you Timo
Great video. I will always be respectful to the kind people who are teaching me. Dojo is the correct title.
Do you have book recommendations for Jujutsu?
Hello can you make a video about Book recommendation for Judo?
Maybe but i recommend "mind over muscle" and Tsunetane Oda's books
i wonder how much of that demo was choreo and how much was resistance. its so clean
The Gracie family initially referred to their schools as "Academia" (academy) or "acadimia" in the carioca accent. However, I believe there was a mistranslation (and marketing decision) when they expanded to America and began using the term "gym."
The sort of honor and tradition was the reason I chose judo as my sport. Nothing better than meeting a fierce combatant that you can respect and trust when doing a friendly randori with. The belt shows how long they have studied the art form and themselves, how long they have learned patience, skill and respect. I will gladly be taken down by a person of that fortitude. Can't say the same about someone who is willing to not show respect to their opponent (it can be a question of one person's health) and who is willing to win by any means possible. I practice judo because I want to grow as a person and keep my body in good condition, not to hurt people or to gain ego. Head in the game.
Music? Been looking for days but couldn’t find it
Judo = The Gentle measure AkA a hand shake. Jujits = The Extreme Measure also know as a martial art I.E. the military. The Kodakan is military vs the Obikahn which is civilian. 90° -VS- 180° is a much different outcome. I completely agree with you in regards
to "belts" they have no relevance in regards to application of technique. I'm a student of Jigaro Kano who was a bone setter or re setting broken bones from jujitsu matches... Oh your good, I'm good and snap! Jujits VS Judo they are two different measures. I respect what you do 💯 %
My Sensei Kirk Ellis was trained Kodokan judo by Professor Toshitaka Yamauchi who was a direct student of Jigoro Kano. And my Sensei was trained by Professor Haruo Imamura. My Sensei taught alot of philosophy and Tai chi and Kenpo karate are style was formed and called Kenju. We .train in old traditional way bowing on off the mat and when enter the Dojo and leave the Dojo
Does Jujutsu practice groundwork? The guard in particular? I am interested in the difference in technique and strategy between the arts.
Yes, but not as much emphasis is paced on it as BJJ. In my experience, the feeling in JJJ is that on the ground is the last place you want to be in a street fight. If the fight goes to the ground, you should either finish it or stand back up as quickly as possible.
Okay, I thought you would talk about more of the different techniques that separates the two. Instead of the ranking system but okay. It was still interesting none the less.
Vídeo historic research: 10/10
Chadi’s Personal opinion: 5/10 (imho)
(It’s an 3 years old video so ill take it with a grain of salt)
I don’t think calling it a gym is a problem, and if anything having way too many bureaucratic steps that only stops people from practicing the art/sport.
Also some misconceptions when it comes to Brazilian culture, every BJJ gym I’ve been to in Brazil we would always address the sensei as Mestre (Master) or Mestrão (Great Master), and in the contrary all the BJJ gyms I’ve been to in Japan we address the sensei by their last name + san.
I think modern BJJ cares more about having people learning and mastering the arts while not quitting, than keeping some surface level robotic respect that will only gatekeep people from staying.
And those who stay will have respect for their masters and peers as a result of the hardwork they put and they see others putting as well, that is true sincere respect, not something forced into them.
That’s how I see it, and at the end of the day, we’re all entitled to different opinions.
Great video nonetheless!
In My Ju Jitsu class we teach Goshin Jitsu to Yellow(2nd) Belts and Kemino to purple(3rd) belts. My teachers say that back in the days of Frank Goody and Mifune there were 3 belts (white, yellow and Black). The 10 belt system is very good for children so that they feel a sense of accomplishment as they go. For a mature student we realize that the color of the belt means nothing compared to the knowledge that you have.
Kime no kata??
@@Chadi Translation from Japanese to English is phonetic. There is no exact correct spelling but I've seen it spelled this way.
@@adobo1976 i was asking is it kime no kata?? Just so we're on the same page
@@Chadi I would assume so. In some of your videos I see Mifune practicing some of the moves that we teach in our version but then the next move he does isn't part of our version but I can see roots of those moves in Defenu or Kura kawa. It's possible some of it has been changed over the years.
I love Japanese culture ans thier code to live by. I love the way they teach you children, patience, tolerance and obedience before they even open a book
Graduated to yellow belt as a teenager in JJJ, tried out Judo as an adult and like it👌 and now i cant decide wich one im gonna go with🤣🤦♂️
a clash & contrast of styles
Yes!!! That photo, on your thumbnail supports what I have been preaching for a good long while. JUDO Gis have belled sleeves & the tail of the shirttail reaches to mid-thigh. Brazilian Jujitsu Gis have thin; pencil sleeves & the shirttail barely reaches below the belt. SOMEHOW Modern Judokas have let themselves be conned into suiting up & going out to pracrioce Judo in Jujitsu Gis. Fact is, short of having a JUSO Gi custom made, it is all bit IMPOSSIBLE to find a JUDO Gi that is cut properly.
Bow (Rei) to show mutual respect! Do not call it an academy, call it a dojo!! And Shodan is not a professor! It's a Senpai! It takes decades to become a professor in Judo! Osu! Agreed! Thank you Chadi for clearing up that one!!
Thank you
Aiki Ju Jutsu breakdown would be nice. Samurai who lost their katana in battle used what m.a. to defend themselves altho amongst certain death??
What’s the song on this?
Thank you for this video. What is the name of the music?
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@@Chadi Thank you very much for sharing the music. And thank you again for the historical approach.
I love your point around the 11 min mark. Calling a Dojo a gym completely changes the meaning and I appreciate the point.
Thank you
I wonder how it feels to be trained under Kyuzo Mifune. It must be very fun and more technical.
Best thing ever
Well done chadi...
Thank you Bruce
I want to learn JJJ but there is no place that teaches it here, should I learn Judo or BJJ? I wish to have the full body training, and the etiquette.
The place i train Judo (and a bit of BJJ - i'm a northwesterner brasilian) is called a "gym" (academia in portuguese, and that's very funny cos' the Universities are also called "academias", as in academic; the gym thing might be because it's the culture of my country, kinda of). But, alas, we have a black belt sensei, a purple belt senpai in the fringe of becaming a brown belt, with the rules, courtesy, respect (for the art, for our partners and for the teachers, aka. Senpai & Sensei) with the bits of japanese culture that comes with the practice and study of Judo. So i call it a dojo🤣
Chadi,
Newer fan to the channel. Just wanna leave one my disagreement in your opinion that BJJ should refer to the training facility as a dojo and not a gym. I actually firmly believe it doesn't matter and that it's more factual to call it a gym because:
1.) BJJ is a Westernized offshoot of judo.
2.) BJJ doesn't inherently follow a "gentle way", it keeps in line with the idea of "gentle technique".
3.) A dojo actually is the Shinto shrine and torii gate that Japanese martial arts schools put up. If a school doesn't have a torii gate, it isn't a dojo, because it doesn't have a dojo. This also ties into point number one, because most people who practice BJJ aren't Shintoists anyways.
Great channel otherwise. I'm staying tuned for more excellent videos!
Thank you for your insight
Ju jutsu the father of all grappling arts.
What about Shuai Jiau?
@@wesleyLTH the mother
It's worth noting too that weapon defenses are far more legit in the context of having armor
(a) You might not get killed if you get stabbed or slashed once or twice (you could, but not necessarily)
(b) Punching and striking in general is not worth much in armor so your time spent to set up complex wrist/arm locks is... much more justifiable
Yes but gendai should reflect more modern times
@@Chadi Stab proof vests (good for most knives) are affordable-ish and wouldn't necessarily be obvious (ie, you could wear one and people might not know)
Not to say that it's a good life practice to go out into the world every day to assume you're going to be stabbed. But I do think training weapons defense is always good if self defense is the goal (broad self defense rather than specifically fighting) You might (without armor) never get above a 30% chance of surviving a serious knife attack, BUT with training over time you might be able to go from a ~10% chance to a 30% chance, and that's 3x the likelihood of survival in the event you had to defend against one
@@asteriskcolon agreed!
So... what's better for self defense. Just jutsu or Judo? I know a school that teaches both. Should I join?
Yes join
@@Chadi okay I will check it out Monday night
Calling your dojo a gym is a sign one does not understand shibumi...or simple bushido, for that matter. At least BJJ calls it an academy, which is better than gym.
Do you pratice also ju jutsu/ bjj alongside judo?
Judo bjj
@@Chadi great! Not Easy making two arts in the meantime, i made for years Wing tsun and escrima and Is very hard! Are you black belt?
@@MegaBeitar nope i have my brown belt exam at the entrance
@@Chadi so, good luck!
@@MegaBeitar thank you
Thank you, I come from goshin jitsu and judo. I need to go to bjj luckely it's up the road. I have to go because I need to improve ne waza and also the judo cl b died down, everyone wants to go bjj. I prefer judo, they were honest the go bjj as they don't like the throws, si at least they honest for not teaching many takedowns. I still wiIl bow in and off the matt and my aponants. Try and edaquitte in Japanese and Chinese. Try and set a good example, it's a dojo and tatami
In truth judo at its origin was an unicum of jujutsu schools and styles, it had everything in it, chokes leverage game takedown and grappling. Then the competitions got softer excluding dangerous techniques, anyway in good judo dojos they will teach you all the set of moves
im sorry I call it a gym. I bow, I do randori, I roll a lot, but its where I get my work out. yes my coach is my sensei I would say, but I call him professor. the reason for all this is that its about showing your focus is on getting better above all else. there needs to be a respectful casual attitude in the gym so people don't get nervous or intimated when they first walk in. otherwise americans cant take the art seriously. sorry but its the way it is for a reason.