The Difference Between HP/SHIELDS/ARMOR/OVERHEALTH | Overwatch 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มิ.ย. 2024
- Armor changed A LOT. Overhealth is neat too.
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0:00 - Intro
1:30 - Overall Changes
2:40 - 1) HEALTH Explanation
3:26 - 2) ARMOR Explanation
6:08 - 2a) ARMOR Important Notes
9:32 - 3) SHIELDS Explanation
10:27 - 4) OVERHEALTH Explanation
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Didn't realize this was hitting algorithm again. Here are the changes for Season 1 of OW2 (October 2022 Edit)
Overhealth (Green): 100% -> 50% ult charge granted from damage dealt to it (That's a buff to Overhealth)
Armor (Yellow): Now grants damage reduction property on the armored portion only instead of the entire HP bar (That's a NERF to armor)
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Just Pc right?
Esport tower for kids right I'm 24 was really excited untill they said that
Give Torb more armor or give additional from E
@@Chicken_Pro_76 console too, you just play with pc players so it puts you at a slight disadvantage when you scrim against pc players. But we do have other console players in the Overwatch program
Do the natural Shields Grant Ult charge different from OverWatch one they didn't?
Also important to know: in OW1 you could hack temporary shields. In OW2 you can’t hack overhealth. So no use in EMP’ing sound barrier anymore
Doesn’t sombras ult now do 40% health damage now? That could still be at least somewhat useful against sound barrier
@@wha7does7hefox99 only sombra can deal 40% dmg so yes but not overall
@@wha7does7hefox99 Actual health and not total health.
@@wha7does7hefox99 It is 40% health but if you have sound barrier then it'll do 40% of your health with that barrier, so unless you wait till it's over you're really only getting rid of the barrier.
@@wha7does7hefox99 you'd get far more value if you just used it when the sound barrier isn't up coz otherwise they'll be fine as it'll just destroy the sound barrier
Best part about OW2 is being able to watch so many KarQ guides
And fitzyhere content ;)
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I remember back when Torb could throw armor packs and Symmetra could build a shield generator. My favorite thing to do was play one or the other (if someone else was playing one of them) and increase everyone's HP to absurd amounts. 350 HP Zenyatta was a beast to see on the battlefield
The armor and shield stacking was insane. Miss those times.
All-for-one comps with Sym were hilarious. 300 hp shield on each with 6 shield generator ults. I think it totaled at 450 hp per sym?
@@kaipakta817 75 shield per gen x 6 so yeah, +450 shield. That's the same health as dva has now (with the 200 base) AND it heals
I’ll never get to play that lol
Thank you for mentioning the 45 hps that Zen can receive after 3 seconds of not taking damage. It means that Zen has less downtime when peeking corners to attempt a kill without the need for a heal from the other support; they both can spend more time helping their teammates and/or clicking on bad guys. I'm intrigued to see how this buffs him in a broader range of scenarios and how it can change the outcome of some encounters.
I acaullty had no idea Zen's shield was even affected by the support passive so i thought he just got like no benfit from it.
No, the 1 less tank really hurt zen since zen have 0 mobility or get off me tool, you really have to just outplay the shit out of divers and assassins or have ur teammates baby sit you
@@railx2005 I didn't think of it like that but I guess it is a skill issue
@@railx2005 bro zenyatta players are cracked. i play doomfist and ive died to way more zenyattas than anas.
Remember guys, it's blizzard. We should not support these games anymore
Overhealth not giving ult charge is a huge buff. Before, when deciding between shooting vs waiting for temp HP to decay, ult charge would at least make shooting worth it. now, unless you're confident on being able to burst through it, it's rarely worth it.
Also you're not being punished for engaging a little more aggresively by consequentially feeding more ult charge. Though that seems minuscule
This is honestly exactly the video I needed because I got confused when playing the beta. Thank you!
Yeah, I got confused too. Y'know, when I played the beta... That I totally got...
Pls Blizzard I beg you
@@Cardiri I got it from watching KarQ on twitch for 4 hours. It's not that hard.
@@jaroslavpohoral1897 I play on console :(
@@Cardiri same
Until this video I didn't really realize how much of a difference that armour change makes. No wonder Orisa never seems to die
My favourite baseball playing crystal gem, bob
for real. half of ur hp taking 30% less damage, THEN an ability that gives a bit of overhealth, reduces all damage by 50% now in 2023, and cant be headshotted... shooting at her might as well be worse than shooting a sym wall
Fortify and armor being damage reductions more than doubles the effectively healing Orisa recieves.
Great changes. Having a convoluted health system and not explaining it in-game makes things feel off and unintuitive compared to other FPS games. They need to keep it simple and transparent if they want to compete with the big boys.
Funny enough, the changes make the health system more easy to understand, lmao. Did you not see OW 1?
@@idk-ye7ur thats the point this person is trying to make, its convoluted ESPECIALLY for people with not a lot of exposure to ow1
To be fair though, we don't know that there isn't a better explanation in the full game
@@gagemestro4089 There isn't an explanation in the current game. At least not one a regular player is exposed to. The whole system is obfuscated and it's the ONLY blizzard game where this happens. WoW tells you exactly what block rating is and does, in the tooltip.
I'm really disappointed in the execution of OW2.
@@erwarne That's definitely fair, but while maybe unlikely, it could be in the release of ow2
I’m very happy. This means that now when wrecking ball charges into all the enemies and uses the overhealth, he won’t be a way for all the enemies attacking him to just get free ult charge.
Yo this was so much more helpful than I thought it'd be. Thanks for putting in the time on this one!
This is cool. Thanks for the breakdown man. Torbjorn tanking headshots is hilarious.
Fitting, for a hard-headed stubborn Swede ❤️
"I'm OVERLOADING!!"
:D!
Yeah. I’m real life he would get absolutely get sent into oblivion 😂
For those that want to try plotting on desmos and see on close up, just input these 3 lines:
f\left(x
ight)=0.7x
g\left(x
ight)=\left\{x\le10:0.5x,x>10:x-5
ight\}
\frac{\left(f\left(x
ight)-g\left(x
ight)
ight)}{g\left(x
ight)}\cdot100
1st line - f(x) is OW2's damage to armour target (30% reduction). X axis represents original damage, Y axis represents damage on armoured targets
2nd line - g(x) is OW1 (half under 10, -5 over 10). X axis represents original damage, Y axis represents damage on armoured targets
3rd line - percentage change in damage going from OW1 to OW2. X axis represents original damage, Y axis represents % change in damage
OMG ty.
TLDR: don’t let any of them reach 0
Since Mercy doesn't have any other accelerating healing effect outside of the passive, it seems like her healing and sustain is weaker than all the other supports.
They could give her beam an overheal effect like Medic from TF2.
@@soulsmith4787 Yeah, now that they have overhealth, it would be really cool to add.
Mercy still has her own passive of sorts, which buffs the Support passive’s regen rate
@@TheDangerNoodle That's what I mean. All the other supports have ways of dramatically accelerating that passive healing. Even though hers is a little faster than normal, everybody else can have much more burst self healing.
@@cfriesen222 the only character who can accelerate the passive healing without using cooldowns is Lucio and *technically* Zen because he has shield regen. And while Lucio’s is slightly stronger than Mercy’s (his additional seld healing doesnt require the 3s no damage buffer, and heals ~12hp/s last I checked) he can still only heal when on the healing boost Crossfade song, and any good Lucio knows that the speed boost is just as important to use, so he naturally gets less value from his self healing than he could.
I miss the old days. You know, the ones where KarQ was sponsored by Manscaped, and we got a sack full of ball puns? I mean, it was one after another. It was nuts.
Ball smirking at the “for now” line 😅
Funny how Brig is in the thumbnail, since armor was her thing but has been slowly but surely being removed from her kit and hero uniqueness. Now the only armor she has is in her healthbar , and when she is basically full.
Her rally is trash as overhealth. It's a budget sound barrier, not good for attack nor defense.
Good, she was legit the reason I quit ow
@@idkfa9837 same. good riddance.
I agree. Her ult feels complete useless right now. It doesn't mean you hate a character then nerf she to the ground.
i havent played ow2, but i hope it gives a lot of health, or they increase it, or revert back to armor even if it needs to be nerfed to be fair. especially how slow everyone says the ults charge. take forever to get her ult and then its useless would suck. (im not a brig main either)
@@idkfa9837 Brig hasn't been busted in a long, long time my dude
just an heads up that armor no longer mitigates 30% damage to your whole healthbar , instead it mitigates 30% damage only to the armor proportion to your health . so a Reinhardt Pin will kill Brigitte now.
KarQ, like always, this was an extremely helpful and informative video. I had no idea how armor worked in ow 1 and I would have had no idea how it worked in ow2 but for your video. so thank you for everything you do for the community! your job doesn't pay enough to fully compensate you for the service you provide to all of us.
that being said, the "look at this graph" meme, delivered so seriously, was my favorite part of the video LUL that was so perfectly placed
Thank you!!
Agreed
I've been confused about these for so long, thanks again KarQ!
Having seen your old videos I didn't think there would be anything really different in this one, but I'm glad i watched it!
Love you KarQ, these videos are always insane quality and explain the content thoroughly and in detail. We appreciate it and keep up the awesome work!
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Great in depth video ! GJ KarQ i'm so ready for you to analyse OW2 from top to bottom
as someone who's new to fast paced shooters (I used to play paladins, but eh) especially ow2 since it released free, your videos are so dang helpful!
I know the importance of this stuff since ive played quite a few competitive shooters at high elos like CSGO, valorant, apex etc.
so I do know the fact that I will need a lot of theoretical knowledge so I can build my gamesense, but I did not know exactly what to search for.
but you'd consistent guides have been helping out so much! I'm grateful.
Nice, keep in mind they reworked armour now it applies the %30 damage reduction only to the armoured portion of the hp bar
Super informative and helpful! The armor section was particularly useful.
A nice walk through of changes. You were very thorough on armor. Thank you
Damn I like how this is really the nitty gritty of what goes into making this thing different from the old one. The changes are noticed. Great breakdown too it was a superb job
Answered allthe questions I had clearly and detailed! Thank you so much for making this!
A hero that didn't have health and just had shields and armor would be pretty cool
This would honestly make alot of sense for characters like Bastion or Orisa. It could possibly even work for Junker Queen if she ever becomes a playable character? (Since she's the Queen of a town literally filled with junk/scraps xD)
@@xickyr1611 The only issue I’d see with that is that, from a lore perspective, even machines like bastion wouldn’t be pure armor because the idea is that as you damage them, they’re exterior/more protective layer is destroyed leaving core components that can’t be inherently armored more exposed. Having a full armor unit would imply even at the most internal structures of the unit, that those parts would still be completely armored as well, which just wouldn’t really make sense.
Love your videos dude i watch them all the time when im in chemo and it always makes me feel a little better
Great video KarQ! Thank you!
Well done, learned more than I thought I would honestly.
thank you so much. I really needed this as I didn’t think there was any difference :)
Really well explained and visualized, thank you!
I needed this omg. Thank you sm!
Do I already know this information: yes.
Am I still going to watch it, because the quality of these videos are addictive: YES.
thanks a lot for the video, was really helpful
I' m glad they made it way more consistent now than it was in Overwatch 1 where I found it pretty complicated to understand. Thanks for the explaination/update video on that topic, very informative :)
the colors for armor & overhealth aren't particularly friendly for red-green colorblind folk that would otherwise not need to use a color setting. hopefully there's a way to tweak the colors for each of those things
Doesn't the game alredy have those options? (?
Don't you think Blizzard cares about its colorblind players? I think colorblind settings fixes this problem.
There is a colorblind settings
as a person who is not color blind, i think the colors stand out and they make sense intuitively. overwatch has colorblind settings, and since there are more non-colorblind people than colorblind, it's only logical that the colorblind people are the ones who should have to adapt and use the settings
@@albingrahn5576 the settings are basically non existent... They're borderline useless
i very much appreciate the detail you have you include in these videos
Dude I love your setup and lighting!
Great explainer nice work man
Hey karq I used to watch ur vids a lot and they used to be REALLY helpful and entertaining 2 years ago I just wanna say now that I’m back to overwatch I’m glad to see your still the same and looking healthy man! I can enjoy the coNtent I once did the same and it feels very nice. Glad to see you and also I’m glad to always be informed! Many thanks playa
Good video dawg very good graphics and straightforward
Armour in ow1 is only hard to understand if you choose to explain in an unnecessarily complicated way. It reduces damage by half up to a reduction of 5 per hit. That's it.
Still weirdly convoluted for little to no reason, like why is armor only reducing damage over 10 by 5? Like that’s so little and kinda a dumb calc. Granted it’s not complicated it’s just weird
@@FireDarkNinja yeah fair. I like the new system, it feels more balanced, and it's simpler. I would speculate the old system was based on the philosophy that armour should be very good at mitigating chip damage while allowing burst damage remain as effective.
@@FireDarkNinja its not weird, it makes sense that armor is good vs small bullets but bad vs large caliber or rockets. now armour is just hp*1.3
@@Rio-un5jl I mean sort of but no matter what armour will always reduce damage a significant amount especially futuristic special armor, like a 308. round to a Kevlar chest plate is gonna fucking hurt and maybe kill but it’s gonna be more than 5 damage.
@@FireDarkNinja i agree armour should always reduce damage, but whats lost on this system, and the entire point of armor in most games is that it protects you well vs non-AP weapons, but not that well vs AP weapons. Now everything is equally AP in the game. Its just glorified health now, thats more efficient at getting healed, no gameplay difference other than that.
Good to know this since even though I opted into beta on day 2 of the early access announcement, never got to play it yet.
That suppprt passive will be so nice just so you're not forced to use a cooldown if you got away so that means more potential anti chances 😃
ok, it may be easyer to read now, but Armor makes absolutely no sense now. The whole point was that your armor reduces low damage values but any greater attack would be pirceing trough the armor. Now it's just health that has a too small number.
Love the vid Karq
really good educational video, thank u
I'd love a video that shows how stacked abilities can help teammates survive high burst damage. Like which heroes can survive dva bomb with nano
Editor dropping in Groovin' Magic was a great choice. It's a bop
This systems a lot more simple now damn, thanks karq 🙏
Fantastic stuff mr. Q
Interesting video! Thanks :)
10:20 no way!!! Is that groovin magic by round table playing in the background? Didn’t think I’d hear that here
holy shit i wasnt expecting the graphs
very interesting video and a welcomed reminder
I needed this guide, I’ve never been able to tell what exactly armour did
So with the changes in armor, Reaper, who already shreds through tanks, is now BETTER at his job?!
they nerfed his damage and increased his spread in ow2 to counteract this
@@aestheticsock8772 problem with that is every tiny hitbox heroes like widow , baby dva ,etc. are not taking as much damage cause the spread is too wide. So they are dodging death at point blank. The opposite happens to big hitbox heroes like tanks, torb, mei, bastion, etc. I get that his role is to kill tanks , but since there’s only 1 tank to eliminate, the last 4 heroes are mostly all tiny and if they are long range heroes , well good luck getting to them before they kill you.
If the 1 tank dies, everybody runs too
I miss Briggs old ult, her new one makes no sense. Like a lot of the changes made in this game.
Yeah I'm really gonna miss the armor effect of overload and Rally, those were unique to them
I wished they gave them a bit more overhealth to compensate for the change.
Overload should get an overheal amount buff. Brig ult should provide an aoe damage resist (like 15%) so that it isn’t competing with sound barrier for overheal support ult
Yeah it’s a real bummer, rally is pretty much useless now
so fcn thank to u, ur vid is helping me a lot
Insane content, thank you!
Thanks bro this is useful
Oh wow, didn't know they changed how armor worked. Significant change! Thank you!
I remember a few years ago, back when new heroes were still being released for OV1, and before Apex was released, coming up with an idea for a support hero. I didn't finish working out the numbers for their fire rate or damage, but they essentially had an energy-based assault rifle (think soldier and baptise's guns), which while having a lower damage, could be overclocked to fire faster, give shots to direct health (not armour or shields) a fire dot, and ignore armour's damage reduction as it just melts through it... but was weaker against shields (both shield health and deployed energy shields). However, after overclocking, it would need to cool down, taking twice as long as their normal reloads would.
I also gave them an ultimate that deployed a little hovering drone that either: gave all teammates a temporary shield similar to Rally's armour, strengthened existing shields, or let all shields regen even while taking damage. (I couldn't decide on which it should be.)
That's as far as I got. I originally thought of their rifle's energy shots to partially restore all shields similar to Ana's shots to health, but make it indiscriminate, restoring even your opponent's shields.... but that would enable a lot of trolling.....
Brigitte technically has all 4 types of health, if you count her barrier as shield hp
4:11 oh sweet devils, did not expected that picture 💀💀
BRO HE CALLED IT BALL IS GETTING SHEILDS ARMOR AND HEALTH IN SEASON 3
Hoping for the worskhop feature to be added in the next beta 🙏
That would be fun, I wanna mess with bastions artillery for some fun challenges
I was wondering about this! Of course it isn't there. Too bad though, it's where I go to practice my aim.
thank you very mutch to this moovi
My question is why doesn't the game tell you all this? Why did I have to look this up just to get basic information required to play the game at all. I had no idea why Sigma for example was regenerating health randomly, or why half of my health was orange as Reinhardt
Ohhhhh yes I needed this
The Brigitte pronunciation was surprisingly good so used to people butchering the pronunciation!
This channel is becoming my go-to option for when OW got an update lol.
The background music, absolutely gold
I can't quite remember, what was it from again? It's really bugging me that I can't remember!
@@TheMerkit undertale, another medium
ty karq
Thank you sir, as always you do well
This helped me learn what armor does. Now i know why that reinhardt would NOT FREAKING DIE when i was shooting him as wrecking ball
Also if you use the workshop health pool thing you can give the player over armour/shield
Man I haven't heard "Groovin Magic" in such a long time
Great to see the guides back, karaoke boy 😉
Da king is back baby
good to know!
12:02 he said the thing
Super helpful.
so overhealth decays at a different rate depending on which ability grants it, but what happens when you have multiple sources of it at once? does it do the most recent one first, the oldest one first, or do both decay at once?
I started playing overwatch in 2018 and I just now learned wtf armor does
great video! explains why i was confused when i pinned a torb the other day and he didn't die lmao
lol the nickelback picture, awesome
Important to note that because of the damage reduction producing what is essentially a flat health boost, armor also technically heals faster because you're restore more overall health while healing armor. Its why orisa pockets feel so unkillable; most of her health is armor, so even a modest heal like a zen orb healing orisa's armor with fortify active jumps the heal rate from 30 hps all the way up to 78, over doubling it.
Nice, thanks my friend.
I am now up to suggesting the weird suit sigma has is armor, to get both on him >:D
great video
GURL he pulled out that graph and I felt like I was back in school
Very educational video, as always. However, does the payload actually have to be moving to provide healing, or just be activated? I feel like it still heals while the enemy is stalling it, or it's at a choke point animation.
thank you
very good
Brig's Rally feels absolutely broken now that you dont have armor. It was great at initiating fights but now it just feels like it's only good for if your whole team needs some quick burst heals as you won't actually survive a push on Rally. They need to buff the Rally or change it completely. Of course, i'm sure Rally feels fine for people who are in groups but solo queueing is a mess.
Even in groups it’s weak. Heals slow, and if you’re pushing, you’re probably not gaining any over health. Just feels like a way, way worse Sound Barrier.
"Look at this graph" Right in the nostalgia...
I knew I wasn’t tripping when I told my self that ultimates took longer to build for some reason now I know why thx Q🤙🏼