I agree that if it came to a conflict between the two races, the necrons would win purely by dint of outlasting their opponents. Tyranids may be insanely strong but they have biological needs that the necrons just don't.
obviously you don't know about tzarekh. the silent king left the galaxy 65 million years ago but only returned recently because of the nids. think about what that says about the tyranid threat which is clearly billions of years old. the ultimate threat to all life including daemonic, organic and non organic (necron, transformers, c'tan).
Tyranids are organized Orcs on steroids, while the Necrons last forever compared to regular lifeforms. If it comes down to time Tyranids lose, if it comes down to raw strength we won't know til the writers decide to quantify the numbers both sides have. We know that most Necrons are still sleeping, and we guess that all encountered Tyranids are nothing more then scouts... Bonus curveball: Tyranids may have specialized anti Machine-lifeform Tyranid organisms we just haven't encountered yet (lorewise we only know that little is known about what types of Tyranids are REALLY out there).
Ironically enough it was a battle between necrons and tyranids that got me into 40k, it was back when I was in secondary school (high school) I'd never heard of 40k or seen it before, but one day some of the older kids came in to the "social club" which was just a place for nerdy kids who didn't wanna play out side to hang out. One had tyranids and the other Necrons, I was instantly drawn to the Necrons, I sat there and watched them play, asking questions and no dout irritating the player some what, being a dum kid at the time, pestering the older kids. But they let me watch and once they had finished the Necron player even gave me a Necron warrior! As a starter for my own army, for my 14th birthday that year I got my first Necron army, been hooked ever since.
Same here, I got into Necrons first as well, and my first real battle was against Tyranids. Got my ass kicked, but following that defeat I restructured my forces and they were undefeated at that store ever since (never got a rematch against the guy sadly)
The real question is. Would the tyranids even acknowledge the necrons exist? Especially since the necrons are anathemic to the warp and might not register as food or even a threat unless they attack the tyranids. By the time the tyranids eat the entire galaxy a significant amount of necrons would be awake, and would probably just get combed over. The creepy ones that cover themself in blood and human skin will just have to do with getting a spit shining. And since the necrons don't care about scorching every planet they come across it seems unlikely that this would even be a fight. Seems like the necrons would just sit back on an airless moon and be like DO YOU SEE THE PUNY ANT THINGS GET EATEN BY THE BIG ANT THINGS? I FIND THIS FUNNY, BECAUSE THINGS ARE DYING SOI SOI SOI SOI.
Maybe. A genestealer on a ship can land on a Necron tomb world, and tell the hive fleet "Hey, there's things here. There's also biomass on the planet." The biomass could be a massive amount of titanic life forms, or trees, or something.
Nar it depends on the overlord. One necron lord mad decide to help the smaller races because they are board and you have to have to have leaders to be an overlord so they'd help the younger races like the helped the world of Gythos when they were invaded by chaos.
Good point. A smart Necron leader would just decide to wait a few million years til the Tyranids have eaten EVERYTHING and died out or left for another galaxy. What's the worst that could happen? Necrons want everything dead anyways. :D
If the Necrons did not engage the Tyranids there would be no fight. The Tyranids only target biomass, the Tyranids only fought the chaos demons because they were attacked. Before that the Tyranids did not even acknowledge them being threat much less an entity at all.
I agree, would they even fight? The tyranids only attack organic material, and the necrons only have a problem with advanced sentient life. Since the sentient part of the tyranids is not even present on an invasion they might not even attack. They might even just let the tyranids do the dirty work for them and take over the ashes. necrons do not need habitable planets, at least not to the degree we do
There is no ultimate answer to who would win. Yes Necrons counter Tyranids pretty hard, but a) nobody knows what kind of crazy tyranid types are out there (we only know that we know little about the Tyranids) and b) the actual amount of Tyranids is unknown as well (there COULD be a million times more Tyranids waiting to invade the galaxy). The main question is simply: is it worth it to fight such a wasteful war against the Necrons? The Hivemind could just decide to invade another galaxy with less local resistance.
I am confident that the hivemind could find a way to devour living metal and repurpose it. As their are insects whose shelps are part metal, I think the hivemind could pull a similar job.
devouring the living metal would mean killing the necron. And yet potentially hivemind could put 100 tyranids per necron continuously eating his regenerating metal while blocking his arms from fighting. Actually yeah, necron are not strong in melee, they could be disarmed and put in a lockdown from tyranids. Not sure if they can teleport if they are literally under hundreds of beings
Yeah thats if they could eat the metal. And yes they can teleport. In tabletop, when close to death the recall back to their hidden chambers to regenerate. Hardly any necrons ever die. and if one does die on the battle field. It would make a huge explosion killing everything around it.
i know they can teleport, not sure what will happen to all the tyranids on them, if all teleported together since they are touching and eating they are kind of part of it for any teleporting mechanism in sci-fi. If not eating they will easily disarm and immobilize. If not digest they can just eat it necrometal since they are more than capable to cut it they can just store it in their stomaches to avoid regeneration. It's almost suicidal and unconventional but necron numbers are limited and tyranids are not, they could deploy one million per necron as far as we know and that would easily immobilize
Tech freaks that got enslaved because of their greed to become emortal No matter how meny tyranids they kill there will always be more and more and more and one day the last NEC will die
@@a.n.l.aantineoliberalismas4504 or they just go to sleep as nids devour the whole universe besides necrons and eventually die from not eating any more biomass. Necrons win over time.
One thing to remember about Gauss, It does not actually fire toward an enemy, it pulls from the enemy. Its essentially a power ionic/magnetic weapon, it pulls molecules apart through sheer magnetic force. The hint to its nature is in the name. How they accomplish this is another matter entirely.
or the do what hey do. adapt. to think they would not be able to assimilate the necrons is just silly, and to think they wouldn't be able to adapt to process hostile non-habitable world is also silly. The necrons would have to basically dust everything to ensure that they would not be able to gather resources. By this time, unless the necrons single handidly destroy every other race then the Tyrranids would also have eldar, ork, primaris, and chaos assimilated tyrannids to deal with.
Necrons have to be the worst matchup for tyranids; Necrons have no biomass for them to consume, and necron gauss flayers destroy organic matter entirely, meaning the hive fleet wont even be able to harvest their own dead troops. Add to that that Necrons may have motives to attack tyranids due to them attacking and destroying the lesser races they could use to recover orgaic bodies, but tyranids would have little interest in attacking necrons as their world are often void of life down to the bacteriological level. Tyranids are not a direct threat to the Necrons, but they can threaten the necron's objectives by consuming all organic races. Tyranids will never beat the necrons as a race.. but they may also be too numerous to be stopped before eating everything, even by the necrons; after all the necrons are organic creatures that were transformed, and there is a finite number of them without any reproduction possible... each necron warrior killed for good, will never be replaced, while tyranids have reserves beyond understanding. After all, they spooked the silent king enough that he came back from his exile due to the threat they represent to the races necrons could use.
I remember in either an older necron or tyranid codex it mentioned that a hive fleet completely avoided a necron tomb world due to the psychic dampening field that it produced. I don't know if they have retconned that or not but the necron would completely disrupt the hive minds control over the swarm if they have not.
Sci-fi writers have a horrible sense of scale, so the numbers quoted for the Tyrannides are so ridiculously large that they outnumber the necrons at least a million to one. Not that it seems to matter much since a couple dozen Space Marine chapters numbering around a thousand soldiers each seem to win something like a tenth of all battles fought in the galaxy.
I think nearly all sifi writers have a terrible sense of scale. There is also an annoying and unnecessary tendency to up the scale constantly because they believe that escalation is important to a story.
Fun thought, easily one of the coolest match ups in 40k. I like to think that both sides have quite the capasity for near endless conflict. I mean necrons can potentially reconstruct their fallen indefinetly. Tyranids on the other hand have so much clouding their origin it's possible they are combing other galaxies of organic life, cleaning up the old ones other mistakes... or not. But given the potential for the length of such a war to be drawn out over millenia, I'd like to think that the tyranids have the advantage in the long run. Sheer chance over extended periods of time could give the nids, as others have put it, the ability to distroy, consume or even adopt necrodermis in a way that is usefull. All in all, an epic clash of behemoths... I meam krakens... I mean, ah fuck it.
No the necroderm cannot be consumed the Kroots tried on the planet Caroch when a plague of nanoscarab swept through the ranks of the kroot certain kroot had eaten nanoscarb and he the necroderm had burst out of their bodies and as the kroot are little almost the same as the tyrannids so we know the result
Organic vs Inorganic or more simply the cliche, Life vs Death. How do you determine good or evil in this situation? Both sides want peace but only through the destruction of other side. The only "good" side would be one that allows other races to live too which neither one is.
@@yuomovaeh3028 while technically tyranids are alive i think the whole life verse death isnt really accurate due to how little the tyranids value life compared to just straight up biomatter. Plus from the little i know about the necrons compare to what i know about the tyranids is that its almost ironic that the livng tyranids seem more mechanical and detached from "living" than the necrons who from what i understand have the consciousness of living beings within them despite being totally mechanical. I guess really tyranids are just eating survival machines except instead of being made out of metal theyre made of living tissue
FOR THE GLORY OF THE SILENT KING! Love whenever y'all make content about Necrons, there's so little compared to the other races unfortunately. Can't wait for more Necron Lore/Theories/Anything!
Necrons were the first race I experienced and have always loved the idea of a wave of unstoppable machines of the undead crushing all in there path. Keep up the great content
Question: If the tyranids ate the Emperor is there a chance that he could keep his conscious after he was absorbed into the hive? If he could, do you think he would attempt to take control of the hive or just fight enemies of humanity?
dont think the Doom wold work on a C'tan. It works specifically by absorbing psychic potential (which is why it was such a nightmare for the Eldar) and the C'tans are explicitely entirely separate from the Warp and anything psychic (some exception being that they can eat souls, though they can also sustain themselves by just feeding on star as well, its just not enjoyable as souls are), so I doubt it would be able to consume one even if it didnt get incinerated trying to
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Once again you guys really cleared up a lot of questions I have had about a race (Necrons) I've had an interest in but not taken the plunge to buy. Rather, I continuously expand my CSM army. Thanks again for the information and Inspiration!
I as a necron player and a friend as a tyranid player, we both came to the conclusion (according to lore) the tyranids would win, becouse there is a limited amount of necrons, where there are still many asleep, but the tyranids are a wave of aliens who we don't know where they came from, how many there are or even how far they are spread in the galaxy The tyranids won't come after the necrons themselves becouse it isn't considered food, yet in the eyes of the necrons, the tyranids are the biggest treat If all the necrons would be awake the necrons would be able to hold the tyranids of for a long time, but sinds we don't know the size of the tyranid race we can't tell if the necrons would be able to win in the end
Yes. I have always thought that no matter what was currently canon in the lore, it is so simple to say tyranids win by writing : turns put they outnumbered all life a trillion to one... and ate everything.
Also the necrons are capable of cutting the warp off from this reality with their pylons. If they managed to do so, the tyranids would fall apart since sinapse creatures control the tyranid armies via psychic communication. If the necrons cut off the warp, all of the tyranids would become feral and the hive fleets would fall apart.
@@lachlanfahy2429 all psyker abilities come from the warp. Tyranids are no exception. They just don't actively interact with it. They do call upon the warp in order to perform psyker abilities and yes, synapse is one of these. This is also mentioned in the codex 8th edition.
@@zanplays5308 synapse is a link to the hive mind that Tyranids have used before they first encountered the warp. Tyranids can tap into the warp to use psychic powers but their synapse is not dependant on the warp.
@@lachlanfahy2429 the synapse is a psychic ability and ALL psychic abilities tap into the warp. It doesn't matter if they encountered the warp or not. That's how the universe of 40k works. If you don't believe me, just read the 8th edition codex as I mentioned earlier instead of pointlessly arguing.
@@zanplays5308 the Tyranids had synapse before they encountered the warp. They came from between galaxies where there isn't any warp presence so no it isn't dependant on the warp
My only concern is that this scenario makes 2 big assumptions: 1) That the Necrons across the entire galaxy are fully functional and unified in their efforts 2) That the Tyranids do not have orders of magnitude more forces available If either of these two assumptions are wrong, the Tyranids could win simply though attrition as the Necrons are finite and cannot reproduce. Of course we don't really have a good reason for these two races to go all out against each other anyway. The Tyranids can't eat the Necrons, and the Necrons could just claim the galaxy after the Tyranids have moved on... What do they care about the other races? ...Unless of course your theory about the Tyranids being an Old Ones bioweapon pans out, then a galaxy-wide conflict would be inevitable.
Mmh yeah there are some assumptions, but I think Necrons will still win. Their weapons are that advanced, that a simple soldier may even kill a Tyrannofex in a single shot. The weapon does not care about the size of its target (keep in mind the weapons on the table top are nerfed to keep balance). Same goes for the weapons on the starships. Necrons have a weapon called lightning arcs, and at least in the former version, this weapon once fired jumped from ship to ship, while becoming stronger. Necrons designed all their weaponary against living things, and when a necron is destroyed, they just teleport back to their tombes. Over all this is a war about luck, it mainly depends on the amount of tombworlds the necrons have still left, and if they encounter the hive fleets fast enough.
A Random Clone Trooper oh yeah I forgot about that place...I guess if they supernova every star with life-sustaining planets around it, they can count it as a win... Sorta.
No need for that, just target the stars that have tyranids near it. If you get a star that got like a major tendril of the hive fleet then you basically cripple the hive. This is especially useful when dealing with the nids since their eggs arent spread out on a field but are placed in many baskets.
Reague of Regends you're absolutely right that the hive fleets actively avoid tomb worlds... But the bots are still finite even if they self repair. No matter how quick or efficiently they do self repair, it still requires time and resources. Not to mention functional tomb worlds to phase to and repair at. I'll be curious to see how Games Workshop develops this conflict so we can see who's theories pan out ;-)
Eventually, even the Old Ones, who had once been defined by their patience and unstoppable will, became desperate in the face of the Necron assault. They used their great scientific skills to genetically engineer intelligent beings with an even stronger psychic link to the Warp, hoping to create servants with the capability of channeling psychic power to defend themselves.
If Necrodermis is some kind of "undiscovered element" it must be some kind of high atomic weight, which would make it pretty good for fissile reactions assumedly. So what if Tyranids developed like a living nuclear fission generator that eats Necrons and burns necrodermis for fuel?
SImrobert2001 It could, which would imply it has a high atomic weight. It doesn't get any lighter than hydrogen. Jeremy Pirt Ignoring the possibility of it being a new element and calling that a red herring, it would need some kind of energy source in order to do what it does would it not? Surely the energy-bearing components can be stripped away through /some/ process, physical processes can almost always be run in reverse one way or another, and fed into a biological generator of some kind.
3:35 - One thing to note and one to question. 1 - 'Nids have supply line stretching back galaxies. The Necrons could literally scorch the entire galaxy and still lose the supply wars. 2 - Is it ever mentioned why the 'nids want biomass, or did you just assume that it's for feeding themselves? 8:51 - Rule #1 of war; If it's giving you a tough time and you can use it, use it; Nothing states that the 'nids would suddenly stop all biological units and toss everything out for necrodermis bodies; They could use both things side-by-side.
The Nids are simply programmed to do it, if one assumes that the theories are correct in that they were created by The Old Ones. They are the largest gene-bank in existence, carrying unfathomable numbers of genetic code within them and I believe they work like they do because they are the big "reset"-button to everything. Once every inch of the universe and its galaxies have been scoured of all its genetic material, the Great Devourer restarts everything by utilizing the genetic material it has acquired to make a better universe.
Good arguements. A little biased towards the Necrons but you did say you like them more so its all good. Scenarios to think about would be: Tyranids come in a massive wave making it impossible to clease all worlds of life in their path. Tyranids develop a bio acid that prevents necrodermus regen. They already have acid spit that melts spacemarine armor and claws that shred terminator armor like its a joke. Tyranids send scouting fleets to billions of planets to track tombworlds and dissolve the sleeping necron before they can be awakened. The necrons have some pretty clear advantages but the nids have more of a chance than you think. They replenish their biomass by consuming planets but they also travel in massive fleets that already brings biomass with them. They may look like dumb bugs but they are controlled by an intelligence that understands logistics and can plan accordingly. The necron can run from them while destroying planets, but do they have the numbers to cover half of the galaxy if the tyranids come in a giant spreading wave? You are assumimg they would have only one clear front line in this war...what if 20 fleets attacked from 20 different angles? If we are assuming the necrons have the numbers to destroy the Imperium and the Orks before the nids can get any planets then we are assuming the nids have left the galaxy alone long enough for that to happen which I would call wishful thinking. If the nids swarm tombworlds could the necrons afford to just run everytime? Can they function solely as a spacefaring people or do they need reasources for construction maintenance and supply of their armies from planets? I think one of the reasons that the 40k Lore is so fun is that each race can seem so overpowered yet easily countered at the same time. Makes for great " Who beats who" arguements and endless theory crafting. P.S. love your theory about the Old ones creating the Tyranids.
But the Nercons have stupidly powerful technologies... And the Necrons can just blow up the tyranids in space before they even get close. Like how the Tau usually beat back the Nids... There is also the The Celestial Orrery.... And more DOOMSDAY machines... And the Silent King, who is OLDER THAN THE CHAOS GODS.
Good thinking. But first of all, it wouldn't be the nids attacking necrons but the other side around. As the necrons aren't of lifing material, nids wouldn't (like they werent into chaos demons) be interested in them at all. Necrons on the other hand wish to extinguish all living beeing. time, normaly seen as an alternative form of a weapon to the necrons, would be in favor to the necrons. they can't just go into a long stasis sleep, as eventualy nids would devour their whole planets and by mistake decimate the necrons to a state so that they wouldn't be able to overcome the nids anymore - still, because of their ability to rematrialze in any tombworld they could just wait for the perfect chance to strike. so, their wouldn't be a lot tombworld at slumber when war would break out between those two. also, the number of awoken necrons would nearly be infinite. they once dominated the whole universe and their tombworlds are everywhere. most of them survived.
Emiliano Zapata it wasn’t the universe... they dominated the galaxy and went into hiding because the elder and the chaos teamed up and necrons are actually weak to pscykers believe it or not so the necrons decided to sleep for some time until they were ready once more. The reason the silent king even returned to the galaxy was because he saw the tyranid hive fleet apparently (I think so at least ) and decided that the tyranids posed some threat. Don’t get me wrong, necrons are waaay stronger than tyranids but tyranids have massive numbers that could easily be in the quadrillions which would be problem.
Who would win really depends on how numerous the Tyranid is. If they both had equal numbers then Necrons win without a doubt. But according to the lore, the tyranid biomass is heavier then the entiure matter of the galaxy. The reason they attack in small tendral is because if they all moved in at once, the galaxy would be torn a part by the simple gravity field of the tyranids and so most biomass would be destroyed before it can be absorbed. So the only way i see the Tyranids winning is by overruning the Necrons with sheer numbers but for this to happen, the Tyranid would need to come in all at once and forget about absorbing biomass to fight the Necrons. But so far the Tyranids have been avoiding most Necron worlds and it is the Necrons who are attacking the Tyranid. So if things keep ongoing the way it is now, the Necrons win.
I put my money on the Tyranids. Hell, the Silent King is scared of what they could do, and that guy fought during the War in Heaven, so if he could handle all that, whatever the Hive Mind is capable is nightmarish.
you misunderstood his fear, he isnt afraid of the tyranids, he is afraid that the tyranids will clean house in the milky way and leave necrons without the means to return to flesh, so he is coming back to wake up the whole necron race so they can deal with the bugs because he doesnt trust "lesser" races to do it properly
The actual size of the full Tyranid threat is unknown. It’s been implied that they are an intergalactic species, which means there could be several empty galaxies worth of biomass already consumed. If this were the case every race in the galaxy could unite and still not be able to stand up to them. Pick me for prize!
If The Necron had to fight the whole Tyranids race, their most logic course of action would be to strip planets of like as you mentioned video but with the exception of one. Think of an oasis is a desert. This would draw the Tyranids like a moth is drawn to a candle... once there, the Necron would patiently wait for the Tyranids to consume the biomass of the planet and while they are in the middle of it, Blast the whole system like a supernova.... that should help. then repeat this scheme for any tyranids fleet left in the galaxy.
I think an unsettling reality could be that the Necron could just "wait out" the war and let tyranids take over the galaxy and then revive once all the other races are dead or weak.
The Necrons literally have the technology to destroy the galaxy with the click of a button. By extension, they have the technology to destroy the universe. This means that they always win. Even if it means their own death in the end.
Is there any canon lore of tyranids assimilating the necrons? Even if for a brief moment? How terrifying would be to run into a tyranid hive with necron characteristics/armaments.
I give it to the Nids if the theory that all we have seen so far is the scouting party for the main Tyranid host is true. The Tyranid threat, in its totality, could be the biomass of literally thousands of consumed galaxies.
I feel like the tyranids would evolve to gain nutrition from living metal, since they can already do that. Once they eat the living metal, it would be like a fusion between the two.
The problem with the Necron tactic is they would have to fight the local races first. Even a delay made by planetary defence forces may give the tyranids enought time to gain some food from not already scorched planets.
My friend plays necrons, and always brags. If I’d get the prize, I could paint it all pink with rainbow highlights & then gift it to him. ;) UNICRONS UNITE!!
Its so mind blowingly frustrating. Every single faction hard counters at least one other, and soft counters aspects of more. To think the galaxy will fall when victory lies in the factions hands. They don't even need to "team up", just organize a loose game of Grim Dark Red Rover(TM).
Tyranid lore eludes to there being countless Tyranids waiting to claw their way into the galaxy, such immense forces could overpower the limited necrons.
and yet we have yet to see how those old fancy galaxy ending weapons the Necrons have literering the galaxy in action, those numbers could mean nothing.
13:27 kinda late on this one, but the old 2009 box still had the same 12 warriors and 3 squads of 4 canoptek scarbs. They also didnt come with transfer sheets at the time, but I digress.
"The Necrons would just do *this* to the Hive Fleet" "The Necrons would just do *that* to the Hive Fleet" Um, there's more than one Hive Fleet right? Is it so simple as to isolate all the hive fleets, generate a perimeter around every single possible path that the Hive Fleets could take, and then maintain it? Necrons have the advantage of ignoring bodily proccesses like breathing and eating etc, but they aren't invincible. After sustaining enough damage, they do shut down right? And when they shut down, that is -1 Necron, permanently, since Necrons can't be made. There are as many Necrons as there will ever be. There are billions upon trillions of tyranid organisms, and those are the ones that have made it into the Galaxy, not counting the Hive Fleets that could potentially be entering the Galaxy now, not to mention that Hive Fleets can split off to create more fronts of war. Starving the Hive Fleets of biological material is all well and good as a deterrent, but these things travelled the void between galaxies for an untold amount of time. I think they can take being a little peckish on the way to the next gas stop. The way I see it, Necrons have a ridiculous systems for redundancy, in order to make sure Necrons keep getting back up. Tyranids have redundancies too, to increase survivability and durability (admittedly, it sounds like Necrons have more), but there is a limit to it, if there wasn't it would mean that any molecular structure of Necrodermis would eventually regenerate into a Necron. These are just one person's thoughts. Think of what a collective hive mind of an uncountable number of super intelligent beings with literally aeons of experience in destroying and consuming galaxies could come up with. Also, that's a pretty condescending ending you got there :(
Guys I have a theory on necrodermis. Necrodermis is composed of nano particles a few atoms wide that act in unison to do things like repair damage to the necron's body and flow back together.
My thing with the Nids is we have no idea if the known Nids are even a fraction of the total incoming Nids. They might be a scouting group for all we know...
I doubt they would bother fighting at all. The Tyranids do not need the Necron and if the necron do not need planets filled with life then what would they fight over? The Necron could just leave them to devour the galaxy and then leave to the next. Do the Tyranids even register the Necron?
It all depends on the necrons themselves. Some of them want to stay as they are, simply rule their old domains, destroying anyone who oppose them, and enslaving anyone that submits to them. Others just want to purge all life, while I think the majority wants to find a way to return to organic bodies. If the Tyranids eat everything, then they leave nothing behind for those who want to return to flesh. Furthermore, if one of the first types of dynasties notices a Tyranid fleet intruding in their territory and menacing their fleshy servants they won't take kindly to that.
If the Necron need living stuff they can just create some new life. Even if a ginourmous Tyranid swarm eats EVERY living thing and creating new life becomes impossible for some reason the Necrons could travel to another galaxy as well (time, tech and as a result energy mean nothing to Necrons after all).
Tyranids sure as hell are "bad for business" but despite the fact that i'm unsure about the results of an all out war, i'm sure both sides lack the means to totally 100% wipe out the other species.
lol I just imagine the Tyranids 'guys can we have a nibble? is that cool with you?' Necrons 'yer, yer go right a head, we don't eat that shit' Tyranids 'ah! cheers guys, we are just passing through'
Well one thing that isn't touched on which is surprising is that the Tyranids have gone long periods without food before. The come from outside the galaxy itself from the eastern fringe and this was before they were being observed. So they have a means of going a long period of time without food but no one really knows what that is.
soo why would the old ones deploy something so utterly unfit against the necrons?? does that not mean that the tyranid are not a weapon of the old ones
I think that someday the Tyranids will find a way to eat living metal, as their are bugs that have exoskeletons that are part metal. They could effectively devour living metal and repurpose it for their chitin.
Metal Egyptian skeletons vs the Zerg... Kinda sad that they're the last 2 races alive in this fiction. I guess the eldar, Chaos Gods and the Emperor must have misread the future.
I would say with more recent lore, it's less a hard win for necrons, because the tyranids don't only adapt after consuming biomass, they also use observation to change their own tactics. There is also the more recent fact (That I read in the tyranid codex) That they also consume metals and such, though I assume they prefer carbon based compounds as to metals, and they would need more than just metals, but they could analyze the necrons they manage to catch. Then there is the necron priority when it comes to tyranids, that they don't want many worlds to go to waste, as they seek to get back fleshy bodies. But that was in an older codex, so that may have changed. Over all, I'd say the necrons have an upper hand, but we don't know how many of them there are, and same for the tyranids.
I certainly respect your opinion on the matter, and as opposed to most people, you are certainly qualified to say who wins or loses. However, the simple fact remains that it is left ambiguous just how many hive fleets are out there, or what they are capable of. Id agree that if we were to take the current hive fleets that 6/10 times the necrons would win, but the fact is that with each new hive fleet some new beast has presented a problem for the galaxy. There is no way to know how many or what abilities those hive fleets have! It is very possible that there is a fleet capable of devouring the necrodermis, such as every time the hive mind encounters a new threat it evolves a new strain to combat it (example is the immaterial with hive fleet Kronos). The point is, no matter how advanced your tech is, no matter how regenerative your cells are, the hive mind will encase your worlds with countless forms of chitin and blades, and you will be no more.
I have to wonder at the sheer overwhelming mass of the hive fleets in comparison to the intact Tomb worlds. I'm incredibly new to warhammer 40k and looking to get into the hobby but couldn't the hive fleets simply rush down the tomb worlds as opposed to worry about a necron 'fireline' so to speak?
I’ve played necrons for years and I love the lore I’ve got a lot of fluffy characters I use like my silent king who sits right now at 240 points using 7th edition. Would love to see some new units being introduced to the final necron 8th edition codex
I think the Tyranids could possibly pull off a win due to numbers alone. They seem to be able to survive quite a time without taking in new biomass, based off of their ability to travel huge distances without starving. While they would be unable to grow their numbers by slaying necron, thus robbing them of one of their key strengths, I believe that their main invasion fleet that has yet to arrive in the galaxy has an absolutely insane number of ships that could overwhelm any other faction due to sheer force of numbers Even worse, the Necrons have the potential to mirror the Eldar's slow but steady decline should they come up against a legitimate threat due to the fact that they lack any method of replacing any permanent losses they take. A single necron warship may be able to destroy twenty hive warships, but that won't matter if the hive has 200 times as many ships.
I like both races, but think the tyranids would not be able to keep up with the losses they undertake. Thank you guys for all your videos, been tuned in for over a year and learned more on lore from you than wiki can dish out. Keep it up
i think you're underestimating the tyranids,i mean you are right but you assume the tyranids wouldnt have out numbered the necrons and that the necrons would have been decimating the planets of life,while true thats only if they are anticipating the tyranids. almost 90% of the time the necrons are reacting to a threat and not engaging. mostly due to being awoken.the tyranids would lose an all out war of forces but,wars are won with battles and skirmishes not with one all peices on the board battle. the tyranids are far more agile that the necrons and come in different shapes and sizes while necrons don't even have titans.i do see them losing a war of attrition but the necrons can't really keep up with the nids and their movement/versatility.necrons are programed and nids are evolved.even the smurfs lost when using steplock tactics to the nids.
Even if they are programed, that does not mean they have limited learning. When Necrons fight, they use every stratedgy they learned in their wars, if it happens no stradegy fits the current situation they will think about new ones. Just like a normal organism, they just calculate a lot faster because they are robots. Tyranid Troops are more agile than Necron that is true, but not every fight and battle is fought on a Planet. Necron Fighters and Ships are one of the fastest and powerful Navys in the Warhammer 40k Universe. They might not have Titans, but they field units with weapons of Titans. Even then, a tombworld fully awakend is a weapon of it self. And weapon versatility is not really a problem wenn their "baisic" gun can hurt everything by ripping apart atoms. With every shot they make they reduce biomass the tyranids need.
ACKTUALLY!the necrons are souless husks,only the higher ups have the capacity to learn,but immediate troops will be basic step lock troop firing at anything like zombies.however i will give you that i think the nids would lose a space battle.also you mentioned them not getting biomass cause of the atom guns but how does ripping apart somethings atoms simply make it dissapear,the biomass is still there its just soup.also the point of my post was not to say the nids would win,just that they were underestimated just because necrons aren't made of biomass. also 40k theories made a video talking about tyranid/necron hybrids who if they managed to evolve it,consume their living metal. i mean if a primarch could do it. they could too
I mean the tyranids could essentially keep constant war upon the neurons by just sending reinforcements from other galaxies that they concoured so what I feel would happen is a constant war raging in the milky way as no side would be able to take any ground
Also Necrons don't have a production line, everything they "make" is made outside of time, when it comes nancy sues, Necrons are it. They exist outside of logic.
The only issue I want to point out that the Hive Fleet has traveled through the VOID; guys that means that scorching a planet does not rely starve the Tyranids. It only means that they don't replenish their ranks when attacked and taking loses. Given that, you must "starve" the Tyranids along with hitting them hard and forcing them to take loses by wearing them down - both costly and difficult. I think ultimately these two races would simply avoid each other based on the fact they are mutually exclusive technology; more or less like the Borg and 8472 (biological vs technological).
Great video! The Necrons would win. Through patiences and technology. An enemy you can't adapt to is an enemy that wins. Tyranids might have numbers, but they are biologic. Necrons are robots with endless numbers with mechanical constructs of mechanical tenacity and aggression. Wraiths, Sentinals, Stalkers, Spyders, Scarabs and Acanthrites can be manufactured at will and match anything that the Tyranids can create. All worriors can be mass produced because their consciousness are minimal and basic. When a worrior dies, and phases out from the battle field, it's conscious is placed in a new "body" and put back on the battle field. When a lord, or overlord, dies ... its consciousness is reduced. The generals of the mighty Necron army will become no smarter than a worrior after several tens of thousands of deaths. A Necron's consciousness is their weakness, not their tech or bodies. On the tech scale, Necrons have a special machine, hidden on a forgotten Tomb World, that watches and mimics the galaxy. A simple touch on any light in this model, and a solar system goes nova. To isolate the Tyranid fleet and remove its ability to obtain biomass and food would be easy. Whats a few thousand worlds taken out of existence to rule the galaxy. Not to mention destroying worlds taken by the Tyranids or surrounded by their fleets. One of the strongest abilities of Necrons is to appear and then disappear in battle. They can place a million soldiers on a planet in seconds ... and then remove them just as quickly.
This makes sense. I am even working on a 50k fanlore where the rest of the Tyranid fleets have all come into the galaxy and the only real opposing force is the Necrons.
I could see Nids adapting to the necrons through sheer strategy. It would cost them crushing defeat after crushing defeat; but maybe over time they could develop chitin that's resistant to gauss atomic-level attacks through stronger/reforming bonds? Maybe they could discover the elements that comprise necrodermis and develop an anti-metal poison to counteract the healing factor? Maybe they could just attack a tomb world en masse while the crons sleep? Necrons are weak to warp powers; it could be time for the hive to employ them. Perhaps consuming a C'Tan shard would gift the hive information on reversing the necrons' state and cursing them with flesh to make them easier to eat? Thanks for your effort in making this video.
Hmm... If they could just capture a few necrons, build a reverse forge, reverse them, genesteal them then meet with the metal necrons and convince them to become mortal again it might work.
I think that one of the biggest factors might indeed be morale. Any organic organism would shit their pants if they saw a swarm of monstrous space bugs storming towards them. Necrons don't have this fear, Necrons don't wear pants.
I am currently working on my first 40k army which is necrons. I'm painting slightly based off of preheresy Luna Wolves, as well making my own lore to go behind them, maybe when I'm done with the lore I will send you guys a 40 fact thing. I'm also slowly working on adding some gorry decorations which include terrinid bits as well as human bits and some ork bits, including an ork axe still stuck in the back or sholder of one of my necron worriors.
I agree that if it came to a conflict between the two races, the necrons would win purely by dint of outlasting their opponents. Tyranids may be insanely strong but they have biological needs that the necrons just don't.
yup Tyranids could win battles but eventually attrition would get to them and the Nekrons would win the war
obviously you don't know about tzarekh. the silent king left the galaxy 65 million years ago but only returned recently because of the nids. think about what that says about the tyranid threat which is clearly billions of years old. the ultimate threat to all life including daemonic, organic and non organic (necron, transformers, c'tan).
Trollzyn/Trazyn correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the silent king go and fight the nids in a different galaxy, alone.
Tyranids are organized Orcs on steroids, while the Necrons last forever compared to regular lifeforms. If it comes down to time Tyranids lose, if it comes down to raw strength we won't know til the writers decide to quantify the numbers both sides have. We know that most Necrons are still sleeping, and we guess that all encountered Tyranids are nothing more then scouts... Bonus curveball: Tyranids may have specialized anti Machine-lifeform Tyranid organisms we just haven't encountered yet (lorewise we only know that little is known about what types of Tyranids are REALLY out there).
Binidj exactly
Ironically enough it was a battle between necrons and tyranids that got me into 40k, it was back when I was in secondary school (high school) I'd never heard of 40k or seen it before, but one day some of the older kids came in to the "social club" which was just a place for nerdy kids who didn't wanna play out side to hang out. One had tyranids and the other Necrons, I was instantly drawn to the Necrons, I sat there and watched them play, asking questions and no dout irritating the player some what, being a dum kid at the time, pestering the older kids. But they let me watch and once they had finished the Necron player even gave me a Necron warrior! As a starter for my own army, for my 14th birthday that year I got my first Necron army, been hooked ever since.
J Cummins heretics
J Cummins the first game I ever played was a necrons vs tyranids fight
Same here, I got into Necrons first as well, and my first real battle was against Tyranids. Got my ass kicked, but following that defeat I restructured my forces and they were undefeated at that store ever since (never got a rematch against the guy sadly)
You think that a lot of people out there would at least get engrossed into the lore universe and not the game itself?
That story hit me right in the feels
"When the end times come, it will be the Necrons, and the Tyranids"
My bet is on Orks.
😂😂😂ghazghul Thrakaaaaaargh
Ork or the imperial guard
There will always be chaos, BLOD FOR THE BLOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE.
@@audunms4780 but necrons came be corrupted because they have no souls and tyranids can't be corrupted because they have no free will.
@@torinjones3221 BLOOOOOOOOOOOOD.
The real question is.
Would the tyranids even acknowledge the necrons exist? Especially since the necrons are anathemic to the warp and might not register as food or even a threat unless they attack the tyranids. By the time the tyranids eat the entire galaxy a significant amount of necrons would be awake, and would probably just get combed over. The creepy ones that cover themself in blood and human skin will just have to do with getting a spit shining. And since the necrons don't care about scorching every planet they come across it seems unlikely that this would even be a fight.
Seems like the necrons would just sit back on an airless moon and be like DO YOU SEE THE PUNY ANT THINGS GET EATEN BY THE BIG ANT THINGS? I FIND THIS FUNNY, BECAUSE THINGS ARE DYING SOI SOI SOI SOI.
Maybe. A genestealer on a ship can land on a Necron tomb world, and tell the hive fleet "Hey, there's things here. There's also biomass on the planet." The biomass could be a massive amount of titanic life forms, or trees, or something.
Nar it depends on the overlord. One necron lord mad decide to help the smaller races because they are board and you have to have to have leaders to be an overlord so they'd help the younger races like the helped the world of Gythos when they were invaded by chaos.
Good point. A smart Necron leader would just decide to wait a few million years til the Tyranids have eaten EVERYTHING and died out or left for another galaxy. What's the worst that could happen? Necrons want everything dead anyways. :D
If the Necrons did not engage the Tyranids there would be no fight. The Tyranids only target biomass, the Tyranids only fought the chaos demons because they were attacked. Before that the Tyranids did not even acknowledge them being threat much less an entity at all.
I agree, would they even fight? The tyranids only attack organic material, and the necrons only have a problem with advanced sentient life. Since the sentient part of the tyranids is not even present on an invasion they might not even attack. They might even just let the tyranids do the dirty work for them and take over the ashes. necrons do not need habitable planets, at least not to the degree we do
This is everything I needed to stroke my massive Necron Ego
Lets just say their is a reason why the Tyranid hive fleets avoid world's
Those world's almost always turn out to be tomb worlds
Necrons be like: "I ain't got a soul but I'm still a soldier"
There is no ultimate answer to who would win. Yes Necrons counter Tyranids pretty hard, but a) nobody knows what kind of crazy tyranid types are out there (we only know that we know little about the Tyranids) and b) the actual amount of Tyranids is unknown as well (there COULD be a million times more Tyranids waiting to invade the galaxy). The main question is simply: is it worth it to fight such a wasteful war against the Necrons? The Hivemind could just decide to invade another galaxy with less local resistance.
I am confident that the hivemind could find a way to devour living metal and repurpose it. As their are insects whose shelps are part metal, I think the hivemind could pull a similar job.
Alpha Swarmlord But he just said it would have no value. If they already have re enforced chiten then don't need the metal.
devouring the living metal would mean killing the necron. And yet potentially hivemind could put 100 tyranids per necron continuously eating his regenerating metal while blocking his arms from fighting.
Actually yeah, necron are not strong in melee, they could be disarmed and put in a lockdown from tyranids. Not sure if they can teleport if they are literally under hundreds of beings
Yeah thats if they could eat the metal. And yes they can teleport. In tabletop, when close to death the recall back to their hidden chambers to regenerate. Hardly any necrons ever die. and if one does die on the battle field. It would make a huge explosion killing everything around it.
i know they can teleport, not sure what will happen to all the tyranids on them, if all teleported together since they are touching and eating they are kind of part of it for any teleporting mechanism in sci-fi.
If not eating they will easily disarm and immobilize.
If not digest they can just eat it necrometal since they are more than capable to cut it they can just store it in their stomaches to avoid regeneration.
It's almost suicidal and unconventional but necron numbers are limited and tyranids are not, they could deploy one million per necron as far as we know and that would easily immobilize
Pfft, sly Marbo beats all
madmanlolz Sly Marbo has to be one of the lost primarchs. He can conquer a planet with a toothpick
Indeed, Sly Marbo>All Gods combined.
Why didn't he become the emperor yet is a mystery.
Kusakabe Shinhoto, In the background, all I can hear rogal dorn saying “no”
Not Indrick Boreal?
Necrons are badass.
Black Baron the baddest
*Gotta say they are*
Tech freaks that got enslaved because of their greed to become emortal
No matter how meny tyranids they kill there will always be more and more and more and one day the last NEC will die
@@a.n.l.aantineoliberalismas4504 or they just go to sleep as nids devour the whole universe besides necrons and eventually die from not eating any more biomass. Necrons win over time.
@@Hammerponcho The art of fighting without fighting.
One thing to remember about Gauss, It does not actually fire toward an enemy, it pulls from the enemy. Its essentially a power ionic/magnetic weapon, it pulls molecules apart through sheer magnetic force. The hint to its nature is in the name. How they accomplish this is another matter entirely.
Easy, the tyranids will start seeding orks for food.
Tyranid agricultural revolution
@@keiranferrier3642 well it's green so it might mean healthy for you
This gives Soylent Green a totally new meaning.
He said when only tyranids and necrons were left
or the do what hey do. adapt. to think they would not be able to assimilate the necrons is just silly, and to think they wouldn't be able to adapt to process hostile non-habitable world is also silly.
The necrons would have to basically dust everything to ensure that they would not be able to gather resources. By this time, unless the necrons single handidly destroy every other race then the Tyrranids would also have eldar, ork, primaris, and chaos assimilated tyrannids to deal with.
Necrons have to be the worst matchup for tyranids; Necrons have no biomass for them to consume, and necron gauss flayers destroy organic matter entirely, meaning the hive fleet wont even be able to harvest their own dead troops. Add to that that Necrons may have motives to attack tyranids due to them attacking and destroying the lesser races they could use to recover orgaic bodies, but tyranids would have little interest in attacking necrons as their world are often void of life down to the bacteriological level. Tyranids are not a direct threat to the Necrons, but they can threaten the necron's objectives by consuming all organic races.
Tyranids will never beat the necrons as a race.. but they may also be too numerous to be stopped before eating everything, even by the necrons; after all the necrons are organic creatures that were transformed, and there is a finite number of them without any reproduction possible... each necron warrior killed for good, will never be replaced, while tyranids have reserves beyond understanding. After all, they spooked the silent king enough that he came back from his exile due to the threat they represent to the races necrons could use.
Not to mention uncompletely destroyed necrons can resurrect
Great summary!
Question: How can any race stand against Necrons?
They seem too advanced and powerful..
@@wenixandqwert the only way a race can stand against the necrons is if they are all Machines aswell
@@SWY1356 So how do "young races" have victories against them?
Hell how do they even give them trouble?
I remember in either an older necron or tyranid codex it mentioned that a hive fleet completely avoided a necron tomb world due to the psychic dampening field that it produced. I don't know if they have retconned that or not but the necron would completely disrupt the hive minds control over the swarm if they have not.
question: can a dreadnought do a backflip???
No but a nercon warscythe can do a barel roll.
Yeah, with the help of a carnifex.
depends, is it in DOW III?
you cant backflip either 😂
I know they can ride a wave
Sci-fi writers have a horrible sense of scale, so the numbers quoted for the Tyrannides are so ridiculously large that they outnumber the necrons at least a million to one. Not that it seems to matter much since a couple dozen Space Marine chapters numbering around a thousand soldiers each seem to win something like a tenth of all battles fought in the galaxy.
I think nearly all sifi writers have a terrible sense of scale. There is also an annoying and unnecessary tendency to up the scale constantly because they believe that escalation is important to a story.
Cause they scattered around universe if they merge then go one by one another race would die by their own hand already when they came😂
4:39 i was not expecting that...
When he said "zombie con the movie", I heard "zombie condom movie"🤣
Fun thought, easily one of the coolest match ups in 40k. I like to think that both sides have quite the capasity for near endless conflict. I mean necrons can potentially reconstruct their fallen indefinetly. Tyranids on the other hand have so much clouding their origin it's possible they are combing other galaxies of organic life, cleaning up the old ones other mistakes... or not. But given the potential for the length of such a war to be drawn out over millenia, I'd like to think that the tyranids have the advantage in the long run. Sheer chance over extended periods of time could give the nids, as others have put it, the ability to distroy, consume or even adopt necrodermis in a way that is usefull. All in all, an epic clash of behemoths... I meam krakens... I mean, ah fuck it.
No the necroderm cannot be consumed the Kroots tried on the planet Caroch when a plague of nanoscarab swept through the ranks of the kroot certain kroot had eaten nanoscarb and he the necroderm had burst out of their bodies and as the kroot are little almost the same as the tyrannids so we know the result
basicly it's lawful vs chaotic evil
ok yea you've convinced me
you've changed my mind
Organic vs Inorganic or more simply the cliche, Life vs Death. How do you determine good or evil in this situation? Both sides want peace but only through the destruction of other side. The only "good" side would be one that allows other races to live too which neither one is.
@@yuomovaeh3028 while technically tyranids are alive i think the whole life verse death isnt really accurate due to how little the tyranids value life compared to just straight up biomatter. Plus from the little i know about the necrons compare to what i know about the tyranids is that its almost ironic that the livng tyranids seem more mechanical and detached from "living" than the necrons who from what i understand have the consciousness of living beings within them despite being totally mechanical.
I guess really tyranids are just eating survival machines except instead of being made out of metal theyre made of living tissue
FOR THE GLORY OF THE SILENT KING!
Love whenever y'all make content about Necrons, there's so little compared to the other races unfortunately. Can't wait for more Necron Lore/Theories/Anything!
Necrons were the first race I experienced and have always loved the idea of a wave of unstoppable machines of the undead crushing all in there path. Keep up the great content
Question: If the tyranids ate the Emperor is there a chance that he could keep his conscious after he was absorbed into the hive? If he could, do you think he would attempt to take control of the hive or just fight enemies of humanity?
Question: What would happen to the Necron's advantage if a Doom of Malantie like Tyanid ate any one of the C'tan?
Oooo cool thought. I always thought that the doom was stupid powerful (in lore) that they decided to not write it in anymore.
dont think the Doom wold work on a C'tan. It works specifically by absorbing psychic potential (which is why it was such a nightmare for the Eldar) and the C'tans are explicitely entirely separate from the Warp and anything psychic (some exception being that they can eat souls, though they can also sustain themselves by just feeding on star as well, its just not enjoyable as souls are), so I doubt it would be able to consume one even if it didnt get incinerated trying to
Hey all, am new to the war hammer table top scene and absolutely love the concept of the necrons. Thanks to One Mind Syndicate for these informative videos and hours of entertainment!
Once again you guys really cleared up a lot of questions I have had about a race (Necrons) I've had an interest in but not taken the plunge to buy. Rather, I continuously expand my CSM army. Thanks again for the information and Inspiration!
So to put it shortly.
*Immovable object(Necrons) vs Unstoppable force (Tyranids*
I am pretty sure Tyranids don't need that much food, due to traveling from outside the galaxy. Never hear about Necrons making new baby necrons. :D
I used play necron they are cool, reanimation protocol make it nasty to fight against them
Necrons be like :"Thats a nice kill streak you got there.......it be a shame if something were to......*happen* to it"
I've had a squad of warriors survive fire from an entire army and survive it.
Great video guys. Love the Necron lore!
I as a necron player and a friend as a tyranid player, we both came to the conclusion (according to lore) the tyranids would win, becouse there is a limited amount of necrons, where there are still many asleep, but the tyranids are a wave of aliens who we don't know where they came from, how many there are or even how far they are spread in the galaxy
The tyranids won't come after the necrons themselves becouse it isn't considered food, yet in the eyes of the necrons, the tyranids are the biggest treat
If all the necrons would be awake the necrons would be able to hold the tyranids of for a long time, but sinds we don't know the size of the tyranid race we can't tell if the necrons would be able to win in the end
Yes. I have always thought that no matter what was currently canon in the lore, it is so simple to say tyranids win by writing : turns put they outnumbered all life a trillion to one... and ate everything.
While Tyranids might win it is going to be a phyrric net loss
The boss commentary at the end of this video earned my support of this channel, even 6 years after the original video
Also the necrons are capable of cutting the warp off from this reality with their pylons. If they managed to do so, the tyranids would fall apart since sinapse creatures control the tyranid armies via psychic communication. If the necrons cut off the warp, all of the tyranids would become feral and the hive fleets would fall apart.
Tyranid synapse doesn't come from the warp
@@lachlanfahy2429 all psyker abilities come from the warp. Tyranids are no exception. They just don't actively interact with it. They do call upon the warp in order to perform psyker abilities and yes, synapse is one of these. This is also mentioned in the codex 8th edition.
@@zanplays5308 synapse is a link to the hive mind that Tyranids have used before they first encountered the warp. Tyranids can tap into the warp to use psychic powers but their synapse is not dependant on the warp.
@@lachlanfahy2429 the synapse is a psychic ability and ALL psychic abilities tap into the warp. It doesn't matter if they encountered the warp or not. That's how the universe of 40k works. If you don't believe me, just read the 8th edition codex as I mentioned earlier instead of pointlessly arguing.
@@zanplays5308 the Tyranids had synapse before they encountered the warp. They came from between galaxies where there isn't any warp presence so no it isn't dependant on the warp
HR Giger Alien (HP Lovecraft) vs Terminators, who will win?😁
My only concern is that this scenario makes 2 big assumptions:
1) That the Necrons across the entire galaxy are fully functional and unified in their efforts
2) That the Tyranids do not have orders of magnitude more forces available
If either of these two assumptions are wrong, the Tyranids could win simply though attrition as the Necrons are finite and cannot reproduce.
Of course we don't really have a good reason for these two races to go all out against each other anyway. The Tyranids can't eat the Necrons, and the Necrons could just claim the galaxy after the Tyranids have moved on... What do they care about the other races? ...Unless of course your theory about the Tyranids being an Old Ones bioweapon pans out, then a galaxy-wide conflict would be inevitable.
Mmh yeah there are some assumptions, but I think Necrons will still win. Their weapons are that advanced, that a simple soldier may even kill a Tyrannofex in a single shot. The weapon does not care about the size of its target (keep in mind the weapons on the table top are nerfed to keep balance). Same goes for the weapons on the starships. Necrons have a weapon called lightning arcs, and at least in the former version, this weapon once fired jumped from ship to ship, while becoming stronger. Necrons designed all their weaponary against living things, and when a necron is destroyed, they just teleport back to their tombes. Over all this is a war about luck, it mainly depends on the amount of tombworlds the necrons have still left, and if they encounter the hive fleets fast enough.
And also how much shit fuckery they are willingly to do with The Celestial Orrery...
A Random Clone Trooper oh yeah I forgot about that place...I guess if they supernova every star with life-sustaining planets around it, they can count it as a win... Sorta.
No need for that, just target the stars that have tyranids near it.
If you get a star that got like a major tendril of the hive fleet then you basically cripple the hive.
This is especially useful when dealing with the nids since their eggs arent spread out on a field but are placed in many baskets.
Reague of Regends you're absolutely right that the hive fleets actively avoid tomb worlds... But the bots are still finite even if they self repair. No matter how quick or efficiently they do self repair, it still requires time and resources. Not to mention functional tomb worlds to phase to and repair at. I'll be curious to see how Games Workshop develops this conflict so we can see who's theories pan out ;-)
i'm all pumped up for the "robotzombies of Apophis VS Xenomorphs from Klendathu" movie
Necrons would win hands down.
HereticalBLOODRAVENS!! Damn right
didn't necrons have like a doomsday machine that can just wipe out the galaxy with some iPhone gesture on their home planet?
indeed.
It's a massive map of the galaxy, they can pick a star and poof. However it has to be used carefully as there are consequences to its use.
Do you know the name of that weapon, and also what kind of consequences does it have?
Eventually, even the Old Ones, who had once been defined by their patience and unstoppable will, became desperate in the face of the Necron assault. They used their great scientific skills to genetically engineer intelligent beings with an even stronger psychic link to the Warp, hoping to create servants with the capability of channeling psychic power to defend themselves.
If Necrodermis is some kind of "undiscovered element" it must be some kind of high atomic weight, which would make it pretty good for fissile reactions assumedly. So what if Tyranids developed like a living nuclear fission generator that eats Necrons and burns necrodermis for fuel?
Well, sure, but so does eating planets. So it's just an alternate energy source than directly consuming biomass. Burning Necrons to generate more.
It could be in an "Island of stability" Where The elements are stable, among a sea of "unstable" elements.
fucked. The galaxy is fucked
More likely a compound assembled in a way we currently don't understand.
SImrobert2001
It could, which would imply it has a high atomic weight. It doesn't get any lighter than hydrogen.
Jeremy Pirt
Ignoring the possibility of it being a new element and calling that a red herring, it would need some kind of energy source in order to do what it does would it not? Surely the energy-bearing components can be stripped away through /some/ process, physical processes can almost always be run in reverse one way or another, and fed into a biological generator of some kind.
3:35 - One thing to note and one to question.
1 - 'Nids have supply line stretching back galaxies. The Necrons could literally scorch the entire galaxy and still lose the supply wars.
2 - Is it ever mentioned why the 'nids want biomass, or did you just assume that it's for feeding themselves?
8:51 - Rule #1 of war; If it's giving you a tough time and you can use it, use it; Nothing states that the 'nids would suddenly stop all biological units and toss everything out for necrodermis bodies; They could use both things side-by-side.
The Nids are simply programmed to do it, if one assumes that the theories are correct in that they were created by The Old Ones.
They are the largest gene-bank in existence, carrying unfathomable numbers of genetic code within them and I believe they work like they do because they are the big "reset"-button to everything.
Once every inch of the universe and its galaxies have been scoured of all its genetic material, the Great Devourer restarts everything by utilizing the genetic material it has acquired to make a better universe.
Good arguements. A little biased towards the Necrons but you did say you like them more so its all good.
Scenarios to think about would be:
Tyranids come in a massive wave making it impossible to clease all worlds of life in their path.
Tyranids develop a bio acid that prevents necrodermus regen. They already have acid spit that melts spacemarine armor and claws that shred terminator armor like its a joke.
Tyranids send scouting fleets to billions of planets to track tombworlds and dissolve the sleeping necron before they can be awakened.
The necrons have some pretty clear advantages but the nids have more of a chance than you think.
They replenish their biomass by consuming planets but they also travel in massive fleets that already brings biomass with them. They may look like dumb bugs but they are controlled by an intelligence that understands logistics and can plan accordingly.
The necron can run from them while destroying planets, but do they have the numbers to cover half of the galaxy if the tyranids come in a giant spreading wave? You are assumimg they would have only one clear front line in this war...what if 20 fleets attacked from 20 different angles?
If we are assuming the necrons have the numbers to destroy the Imperium and the Orks before the nids can get any planets then we are assuming the nids have left the galaxy alone long enough for that to happen which I would call wishful thinking.
If the nids swarm tombworlds could the necrons afford to just run everytime? Can they function solely as a spacefaring people or do they need reasources for construction maintenance and supply of their armies from planets?
I think one of the reasons that the 40k Lore is so fun is that each race can seem so overpowered yet easily countered at the same time. Makes for great " Who beats who" arguements and endless theory crafting.
P.S. love your theory about the Old ones creating the Tyranids.
But the Nercons have stupidly powerful technologies...
And the Necrons can just blow up the tyranids in space before they even get close. Like how the Tau usually beat back the Nids...
There is also the The Celestial Orrery....
And more DOOMSDAY machines...
And the Silent King, who is OLDER THAN THE CHAOS GODS.
Good thinking.
But first of all, it wouldn't be the nids attacking necrons but the other side around.
As the necrons aren't of lifing material, nids wouldn't (like they werent into chaos demons) be interested in them at all.
Necrons on the other hand wish to extinguish all living beeing.
time, normaly seen as an alternative form of a weapon to the necrons, would be in favor to the necrons.
they can't just go into a long stasis sleep, as eventualy nids would devour their whole planets and by mistake decimate the necrons to a state so that they wouldn't be able to overcome the nids anymore - still, because of their ability to rematrialze in any tombworld they could just wait for the perfect chance to strike.
so, their wouldn't be a lot tombworld at slumber when war would break out between those two.
also, the number of awoken necrons would nearly be infinite. they once dominated the whole universe and their tombworlds are everywhere. most of them survived.
Emiliano Zapata it wasn’t the universe... they dominated the galaxy and went into hiding because the elder and the chaos teamed up and necrons are actually weak to pscykers believe it or not so the necrons decided to sleep for some time until they were ready once more. The reason the silent king even returned to the galaxy was because he saw the tyranid hive fleet apparently (I think so at least ) and decided that the tyranids posed some threat. Don’t get me wrong, necrons are waaay stronger than tyranids but tyranids have massive numbers that could easily be in the quadrillions which would be problem.
Who would win really depends on how numerous the Tyranid is. If they both had equal numbers then Necrons win without a doubt. But according to the lore, the tyranid biomass is heavier then the entiure matter of the galaxy. The reason they attack in small tendral is because if they all moved in at once, the galaxy would be torn a part by the simple gravity field of the tyranids and so most biomass would be destroyed before it can be absorbed. So the only way i see the Tyranids winning is by overruning the Necrons with sheer numbers but for this to happen, the Tyranid would need to come in all at once and forget about absorbing biomass to fight the Necrons. But so far the Tyranids have been avoiding most Necron worlds and it is the Necrons who are attacking the Tyranid. So if things keep ongoing the way it is now, the Necrons win.
I put my money on the Tyranids. Hell, the Silent King is scared of what they could do, and that guy fought during the War in Heaven, so if he could handle all that, whatever the Hive Mind is capable is nightmarish.
you misunderstood his fear, he isnt afraid of the tyranids, he is afraid that the tyranids will clean house in the milky way and leave necrons without the means to return to flesh, so he is coming back to wake up the whole necron race so they can deal with the bugs because he doesnt trust "lesser" races to do it properly
The actual size of the full Tyranid threat is unknown. It’s been implied that they are an intergalactic species, which means there could be several empty galaxies worth of biomass already consumed. If this were the case every race in the galaxy could unite and still not be able to stand up to them. Pick me for prize!
I don't know if you guys did a video about this Orks vs Necrons who wins? If not the idea stays.
My bet is on the Necrons.
If The Necron had to fight the whole Tyranids race, their most logic course of action would be to strip planets of like as you mentioned video but with the exception of one. Think of an oasis is a desert. This would draw the Tyranids like a moth is drawn to a candle... once there, the Necron would patiently wait for the Tyranids to consume the biomass of the planet and while they are in the middle of it, Blast the whole system like a supernova.... that should help. then repeat this scheme for any tyranids fleet left in the galaxy.
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I think an unsettling reality could be that the Necron could just "wait out" the war and let tyranids take over the galaxy and then revive once all the other races are dead or weak.
The Necrons literally have the technology to destroy the galaxy with the click of a button. By extension, they have the technology to destroy the universe. This means that they always win. Even if it means their own death in the end.
Is there any canon lore of tyranids assimilating the necrons? Even if for a brief moment? How terrifying would be to run into a tyranid hive with necron characteristics/armaments.
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I give it to the Nids if the theory that all we have seen so far is the scouting party for the main Tyranid host is true.
The Tyranid threat, in its totality, could be the biomass of literally thousands of consumed galaxies.
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I feel like the tyranids would evolve to gain nutrition from living metal, since they can already do that. Once they eat the living metal, it would be like a fusion between the two.
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The problem with the Necron tactic is they would have to fight the local races first. Even a delay made by planetary defence forces may give the tyranids enought time to gain some food from not already scorched planets.
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If I’d get the prize, I could paint it all pink with rainbow highlights & then gift it to him. ;)
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There is nothing wrong with lovecrons they are beautiful!
Its so mind blowingly frustrating. Every single faction hard counters at least one other, and soft counters aspects of more. To think the galaxy will fall when victory lies in the factions hands. They don't even need to "team up", just organize a loose game of Grim Dark Red Rover(TM).
Tyranid lore eludes to there being countless Tyranids waiting to claw their way into the galaxy, such immense forces could overpower the limited necrons.
A fact that most non tyranid players wish to ignore.
and yet we have yet to see how those old fancy galaxy ending weapons the Necrons have literering the galaxy in action, those numbers could mean nothing.
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13:27 kinda late on this one, but the old 2009 box still had the same 12 warriors and 3 squads of 4 canoptek scarbs. They also didnt come with transfer sheets at the time, but I digress.
"The Necrons would just do *this* to the Hive Fleet"
"The Necrons would just do *that* to the Hive Fleet"
Um, there's more than one Hive Fleet right? Is it so simple as to isolate all the hive fleets, generate a perimeter around every single possible path that the Hive Fleets could take, and then maintain it?
Necrons have the advantage of ignoring bodily proccesses like breathing and eating etc, but they aren't invincible. After sustaining enough damage, they do shut down right? And when they shut down, that is -1 Necron, permanently, since Necrons can't be made. There are as many Necrons as there will ever be. There are billions upon trillions of tyranid organisms, and those are the ones that have made it into the Galaxy, not counting the Hive Fleets that could potentially be entering the Galaxy now, not to mention that Hive Fleets can split off to create more fronts of war.
Starving the Hive Fleets of biological material is all well and good as a deterrent, but these things travelled the void between galaxies for an untold amount of time. I think they can take being a little peckish on the way to the next gas stop.
The way I see it, Necrons have a ridiculous systems for redundancy, in order to make sure Necrons keep getting back up. Tyranids have redundancies too, to increase survivability and durability (admittedly, it sounds like Necrons have more), but there is a limit to it, if there wasn't it would mean that any molecular structure of Necrodermis would eventually regenerate into a Necron.
These are just one person's thoughts. Think of what a collective hive mind of an uncountable number of super intelligent beings with literally aeons of experience in destroying and consuming galaxies could come up with.
Also, that's a pretty condescending ending you got there :(
Guys I have a theory on necrodermis. Necrodermis is composed of nano particles a few atoms wide that act in unison to do things like repair damage to the necron's body and flow back together.
Necrons vs some of the gods of chaos
"Death, has come for you".
~Necron pariah
This video seems to favor the Necrons quite a bit.
My thing with the Nids is we have no idea if the known Nids are even a fraction of the total incoming Nids. They might be a scouting group for all we know...
I doubt they would bother fighting at all. The Tyranids do not need the Necron and if the necron do not need planets filled with life then what would they fight over? The Necron could just leave them to devour the galaxy and then leave to the next. Do the Tyranids even register the Necron?
It all depends on the necrons themselves. Some of them want to stay as they are, simply rule their old domains, destroying anyone who oppose them, and enslaving anyone that submits to them. Others just want to purge all life, while I think the majority wants to find a way to return to organic bodies. If the Tyranids eat everything, then they leave nothing behind for those who want to return to flesh. Furthermore, if one of the first types of dynasties notices a Tyranid fleet intruding in their territory and menacing their fleshy servants they won't take kindly to that.
If the Necron need living stuff they can just create some new life. Even if a ginourmous Tyranid swarm eats EVERY living thing and creating new life becomes impossible for some reason the Necrons could travel to another galaxy as well (time, tech and as a result energy mean nothing to Necrons after all).
Tyranids sure as hell are "bad for business" but despite the fact that i'm unsure about the results of an all out war, i'm sure both sides lack the means to totally 100% wipe out the other species.
keith parish that's true the necrons can just chill out and wait but that doesn't seem very grim dark
lol I just imagine the Tyranids 'guys can we have a nibble? is that cool with you?' Necrons 'yer, yer go right a head, we don't eat that shit' Tyranids 'ah! cheers guys, we are just passing through'
Long live the Eternal Necron dynasty of the OneMindSyndicate!!
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Well one thing that isn't touched on which is surprising is that the Tyranids have gone long periods without food before. The come from outside the galaxy itself from the eastern fringe and this was before they were being observed. So they have a means of going a long period of time without food but no one really knows what that is.
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You semed a litle partial and did not say what the tyranid could do too conquer the galaksy, or if they would even atempt it in the first place.
the thing is they dont intend to conquer it, but eat it
@@overlord4404 not if it is not worth it, they would then probalby just leave.
Necrons will kick the tyrranids out of the Galaxy simply because tyrranids will break their toof on the necrons
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@@hiphopopotamus2839 some acid and bio plasma could serve em right up
Wouldnt the necrons need to like i dont know recharge themselfs or their weapons like what type of "fuel" or "food" do they run on?
soo why would the old ones deploy something so utterly unfit against the necrons?? does that not mean that the tyranid are not a weapon of the old ones
Thats just a theory.
Ferro-beast
If they were created by the old ones, it wouldn't be to deal with the Necrons but to make a clean start and stop all the turmoil in the warp
Tyranids adapt to convert necrodermis into carbon? Or they get blessed by a c´tan and gains the power to consume necrodermis
I think that someday the Tyranids will find a way to eat living metal, as their are bugs that have exoskeletons that are part metal. They could effectively devour living metal and repurpose it for their chitin.
Did you watch the video? He literally just explained why that would not help, like, at all...
The Necrons have the Celestial Orrery. Nuff said.
Ferro-beast
One major flaw in the argument here. How can you "maintain a surround" on an opponent that is attacking from outside?
Metal Egyptian skeletons vs the Zerg...
Kinda sad that they're the last 2 races alive in this fiction. I guess the eldar, Chaos Gods and the Emperor must have misread the future.
If I remember correct the line went like this: Starship Troopers Bugs then Warhammer Tyranids and then Zerg.
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Literally.
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I would say with more recent lore, it's less a hard win for necrons, because the tyranids don't only adapt after consuming biomass, they also use observation to change their own tactics. There is also the more recent fact (That I read in the tyranid codex) That they also consume metals and such, though I assume they prefer carbon based compounds as to metals, and they would need more than just metals, but they could analyze the necrons they manage to catch.
Then there is the necron priority when it comes to tyranids, that they don't want many worlds to go to waste, as they seek to get back fleshy bodies. But that was in an older codex, so that may have changed.
Over all, I'd say the necrons have an upper hand, but we don't know how many of them there are, and same for the tyranids.
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I certainly respect your opinion on the matter, and as opposed to most people, you are certainly qualified to say who wins or loses. However, the simple fact remains that it is left ambiguous just how many hive fleets are out there, or what they are capable of. Id agree that if we were to take the current hive fleets that 6/10 times the necrons would win, but the fact is that with each new hive fleet some new beast has presented a problem for the galaxy. There is no way to know how many or what abilities those hive fleets have! It is very possible that there is a fleet capable of devouring the necrodermis, such as every time the hive mind encounters a new threat it evolves a new strain to combat it (example is the immaterial with hive fleet Kronos). The point is, no matter how advanced your tech is, no matter how regenerative your cells are, the hive mind will encase your worlds with countless forms of chitin and blades, and you will be no more.
I have to wonder at the sheer overwhelming mass of the hive fleets in comparison to the intact Tomb worlds. I'm incredibly new to warhammer 40k and looking to get into the hobby but couldn't the hive fleets simply rush down the tomb worlds as opposed to worry about a necron 'fireline' so to speak?
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I’ve played necrons for years and I love the lore I’ve got a lot of fluffy characters I use like my silent king who sits right now at 240 points using 7th edition. Would love to see some new units being introduced to the final necron 8th edition codex
Im a tyranid player and I agree mostly with this no salt here
I think the Tyranids could possibly pull off a win due to numbers alone. They seem to be able to survive quite a time without taking in new biomass, based off of their ability to travel huge distances without starving. While they would be unable to grow their numbers by slaying necron, thus robbing them of one of their key strengths, I believe that their main invasion fleet that has yet to arrive in the galaxy has an absolutely insane number of ships that could overwhelm any other faction due to sheer force of numbers
Even worse, the Necrons have the potential to mirror the Eldar's slow but steady decline should they come up against a legitimate threat due to the fact that they lack any method of replacing any permanent losses they take. A single necron warship may be able to destroy twenty hive warships, but that won't matter if the hive has 200 times as many ships.
I like both races, but think the tyranids would not be able to keep up with the losses they undertake.
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i think you're underestimating the tyranids,i mean you are right but you assume the tyranids wouldnt have out numbered the necrons and that the necrons would have been decimating the planets of life,while true thats only if they are anticipating the tyranids. almost 90% of the time the necrons are reacting to a threat and not engaging. mostly due to being awoken.the tyranids would lose an all out war of forces but,wars are won with battles and skirmishes not with one all peices on the board battle. the tyranids are far more agile that the necrons and come in different shapes and sizes while necrons don't even have titans.i do see them losing a war of attrition but the necrons can't really keep up with the nids and their movement/versatility.necrons are programed and nids are evolved.even the smurfs lost when using steplock tactics to the nids.
Hellbeckons you don't know much about the Necrons clearly.
you don't know much about replying to a comment clearly. how about telling me why?
Even if they are programed, that does not mean they have limited learning. When Necrons fight, they use every stratedgy they learned in their wars, if it happens no stradegy fits the current situation they will think about new ones. Just like a normal organism, they just calculate a lot faster because they are robots. Tyranid Troops are more agile than Necron that is true, but not every fight and battle is fought on a Planet. Necron Fighters and Ships are one of the fastest and powerful Navys in the Warhammer 40k Universe. They might not have Titans, but they field units with weapons of Titans. Even then, a tombworld fully awakend is a weapon of it self. And weapon versatility is not really a problem wenn their "baisic" gun can hurt everything by ripping apart atoms. With every shot they make they reduce biomass the tyranids need.
ACKTUALLY!the necrons are souless husks,only the higher ups have the capacity to learn,but immediate troops will be basic step lock troop firing at anything like zombies.however i will give you that i think the nids would lose a space battle.also you mentioned them not getting biomass cause of the atom guns but how does ripping apart somethings atoms simply make it dissapear,the biomass is still there its just soup.also the point of my post was not to say the nids would win,just that they were underestimated just because necrons aren't made of biomass. also 40k theories made a video talking about tyranid/necron hybrids who if they managed to evolve it,consume their living metal. i mean if a primarch could do it. they could too
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I mean the tyranids could essentially keep constant war upon the neurons by just sending reinforcements from other galaxies that they concoured so what I feel would happen is a constant war raging in the milky way as no side would be able to take any ground
I think that for Tyranids they would win simply win the rush attack, the Necrons do not have a quick production of ,,soldiers" as Tyranids.
Necrons don't need to produce
They just respawn
Yeah mate...They respawn...
Also Necrons don't have a production line, everything they "make" is made outside of time, when it comes nancy sues, Necrons are it. They exist outside of logic.
The only issue I want to point out that the Hive Fleet has traveled through the VOID; guys that means that scorching a planet does not rely starve the Tyranids. It only means that they don't replenish their ranks when attacked and taking loses. Given that, you must "starve" the Tyranids along with hitting them hard and forcing them to take loses by wearing them down - both costly and difficult. I think ultimately these two races would simply avoid each other based on the fact they are mutually exclusive technology; more or less like the Borg and 8472 (biological vs technological).
May of been asked already but would the bio acid work against the living metel?
Great video! The Necrons would win. Through patiences and technology. An enemy you can't adapt to is an enemy that wins. Tyranids might have numbers, but they are biologic. Necrons are robots with endless numbers with mechanical constructs of mechanical tenacity and aggression. Wraiths, Sentinals, Stalkers, Spyders, Scarabs and Acanthrites can be manufactured at will and match anything that the Tyranids can create.
All worriors can be mass produced because their consciousness are minimal and basic. When a worrior dies, and phases out from the battle field, it's conscious is placed in a new "body" and put back on the battle field. When a lord, or overlord, dies ... its consciousness is reduced. The generals of the mighty Necron army will become no smarter than a worrior after several tens of thousands of deaths. A Necron's consciousness is their weakness, not their tech or bodies.
On the tech scale, Necrons have a special machine, hidden on a forgotten Tomb World, that watches and mimics the galaxy. A simple touch on any light in this model, and a solar system goes nova. To isolate the Tyranid fleet and remove its ability to obtain biomass and food would be easy. Whats a few thousand worlds taken out of existence to rule the galaxy. Not to mention destroying worlds taken by the Tyranids or surrounded by their fleets.
One of the strongest abilities of Necrons is to appear and then disappear in battle. They can place a million soldiers on a planet in seconds ... and then remove them just as quickly.
This makes sense. I am even working on a 50k fanlore where the rest of the Tyranid fleets have all come into the galaxy and the only real opposing force is the Necrons.
In a severe case of starvation a hive fleet could easly start doing photosyntesis, making the scorch land tactic useless
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I could see Nids adapting to the necrons through sheer strategy. It would cost them crushing defeat after crushing defeat; but maybe over time they could develop chitin that's resistant to gauss atomic-level attacks through stronger/reforming bonds?
Maybe they could discover the elements that comprise necrodermis and develop an anti-metal poison to counteract the healing factor?
Maybe they could just attack a tomb world en masse while the crons sleep?
Necrons are weak to warp powers; it could be time for the hive to employ them.
Perhaps consuming a C'Tan shard would gift the hive information on reversing the necrons' state and cursing them with flesh to make them easier to eat?
Thanks for your effort in making this video.
Billy Davis III the c’tan turned the necrontyr into necrons with giant necrodermis forges, not power
Hmm... If they could just capture a few necrons, build a reverse forge, reverse them, genesteal them then meet with the metal necrons and convince them to become mortal again it might work.
I think that one of the biggest factors might indeed be morale. Any organic organism would shit their pants if they saw a swarm of monstrous space bugs storming towards them. Necrons don't have this fear, Necrons don't wear pants.
I am currently working on my first 40k army which is necrons. I'm painting slightly based off of preheresy Luna Wolves, as well making my own lore to go behind them, maybe when I'm done with the lore I will send you guys a 40 fact thing. I'm also slowly working on adding some gorry decorations which include terrinid bits as well as human bits and some ork bits, including an ork axe still stuck in the back or sholder of one of my necron worriors.