Anton Bruckner - Symphony No. 8 in C minor (Pierre Boulez & Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra)
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- From the Stiftskirche St. Florian in Linz, Austria on the occasion of the hundredth anniversary of the death of Anton Bruckner, 1996
Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra
Pierre Boulez
0:00 Anton Bruckner - Symphony No. 8 in C minor (WAB 108)
0:28 I. Allegro moderato
15:43 II. Scherzo. Allegro moderato - Trio, langsam
29:40 III. Adagio. Feierlich langsam; doch nicht schleppend
54:58 IV. Finale. Feierlich, nicht schnell
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At the age of 64 I have finally discovered Bruckner! Sublime.
I can still remember: When I discovered him at the age of 22, I felt to discover a whole new world. A world I was never been before, and a world I will never leave eversince!
@@Christoph251188 I am 21 and I can relate
better late than never :-)
"Better late than never", I'm 66 and rediscovering the wonderful Anton
Great. Thank God for giving us Bruckner.
My favourite symphony. Every time I listen to it I feel as though I have just thrown my shoulders back and stepped into Bruckners world. During lockdown listening to this performance I felt that I did not have to worry about travel restrictions. This music takes me to places that no airline can reach. Boulez brings clarity and insight to passages that other conductors muddle through. Though, like some people have said in these comments, I too love performances by many great conductors.
There is only conductor: Celibidache!!!
@@benediktschlegel8233 Too slow.
@@henrygingercat what a joke. Others are too fast.
@@benediktschlegel8233 Far too slow - not only in Bruckner,
@@henrygingercat it's not too slow. The characters are clear
"How did the Bruckner go?" someone asked Maestro Boulez. "It went" was the reply.
I recently discovered Bruckner as well at 69 years, better late then never. It is like a religious experience.
Here you can see how much use our school and media system was before the internet.
@@LCdrDerrickYes, sadly the right wing keeps cutting funding for the arts, and, more recently, for all the rest of education too! They're even making PragerU part of the "curriculum" now. Such a tragedy to turn out a generation of kids who can't reason their way out of a paper bag, all while the environment is in collapse. I feel so awful for the kids growing up right now: what will they have left to live with when all is in disarray and they have no sense of the past because it was never taught to them?
Gorgeous performance. Included with the brilliant playing, I also deeply appreciate the fact that there are no "on cue smiley smileys" between members as THIS is a real orchestra and doesn't need to fake its way through a piece with such moronic distractions. It's more than discipline, it's concentration and focus.
You are the first person I've come across who has commented on the ridiculous practice of getting orchestra musicians, usually in the string section, to look at each other and smile on cue when the camera is on them. It's utterly cringe-worthy and embarrassing, and I can't understand why the musicians agree to do it. Is it written into their contracts? How and why did this irritating nonsense become a thing? All I can say is , STOP IT!!!!
@@BrainiacFingers It's called "Performance isn't just the music you play". It is pretty unfortunate. Vocalists, for example, need to smile the the crowd while they're singing. We could make the same point about the black outfits we're forced to wear. Why wear them? Sure they hide our movements. But why do the female vocalists wear colorful dresses while the string section wears full black?
It is but a small piece that fits into performance, nothing else. It sucks that we have to deal with stuff like that but it's the norm.
@@darthphantom273 I would hazzard a guess that most people who listen to orchestral music and attended concerts don't care whether or not the violin players in the front row of the string section are smiling at each other. It's distracting and stupid. The orchestra is a unit which is the sum of its individual parts.The musicians focus on the conductor not on each other. And its not a good idea to have random members smiling inanely during , say, the last movement of Mahler's 9th. The important thing to note about this dumb practice is that it was quite obviously instigated by TV companies who need stuff to be happening visually all the time, so when that little red light goes on you'd better do something for the camera. I imagine the producers and directors of these broadcasts would love it if the musicians waved at the camera or stuck their tongues out just like at a sporting event. It is also really obvious that the musicians are embarrassed by it. It has nothing to do with "performance" and everything to do with TV producers wanting to turn all orchestral broadcasts into the Andre Rieu show.
I've never seen that because I usually just listen rather than watching performances. That's hilarious. Imagine that in a performance of the Bruckner 7 adagio...
In 6 days, i'll be listening to this in person in vienna by vienna philharmonic orchestra. i'm very excited and can't wait to hear what it sounds like
Update: I watched on Oct 7th 2019, and it was just great. Worth every cent!! (159 euro ticket)
To someone who JUST commented, I watched it last night and it was just pure talent and beautiful sounds
Wow thats really expensive!!
Who was the conductor in that performance?
@@neil7137 Must have been Thielemann
Ziemlich teuer!
It took me so long to discover this amazing composer. Love this entire concert! Thank you for posting! 🤌
The way Boulez broadens the tempo in the last movement coda is wonderful, just awe inspiring.
At some level, yes. -- I am a huge fan of Boulez, both as a composer and a conductor, but his Bruckner is too clinical (even) for me. The forth movement and in particular the coda is just not how I feel this music (if that makes sense). Great performance nevertheless.
Anton Bruckner, che ha suonato per molti anni l'organo che si vede sullo sfondo, è stato sepolto, nel 1896, proprio sotto il pavimento dell'ingresso. Quando sono entrato, non mi sono accolto del grande nome, BRUCKNER, scolpito sul marmo, sotto i miei piedi, e cercavo nella chiesa la sua tomba. °°°°°° Questi concerti eseguiti a pochi metri dalla sua salma, sono molto evocativi e commoventi. Anche lui ascolta le sue sinfonie meravigliose.
Though I have never much cared for Boulez' usual kind of repertoire, this performance elevates my regard for him as a conductor, to a degree I would not have thought possible.
You should hear him in Mahler too: his 10th Adagio is very fine indeed
That Boulez CD of Mahler's 10th hit me like a ton of bricks and converted me to a life long Mahlerian. I have now collected the entire cycle as well as those of Bernstein, Gielen, and Tennstedt. And I have added the 8th by Solti, and Kubelik.
There is no "usual kind of repertoire" concerning Boulez. He has quite a large discography covering Stravinsky, Bartok, Mahler, Ravel, Berlioz, Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, Varese, All great stuff if you're not stuck in the 18th or 19th century.
Whatever else he may have been, he was a first-rate musician.
But certainly not a first rate composer.@@JohanHerrenberg
Glorious interpretation and performance! I have the cd as well. Simply love this Bruckner 8th!
Even the video editing is superb and full of meaning.
I'm fascinate with every momment of this symphony!!!💙💙💙Sublime!!!Great performance!!!💙💙💙💕
*fascinated
@@js1817 Thanks
The comfort of Bruckner‘s symphonies is incomparably wonderful
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This is a remarkable recording. Sixty plus years from my first hearing this symphony & I only wish for more.
It's So wonderful to hear an orchestra of this extraordinary calibre express music of such incandescent beauty - peace to the soul....echoes into the great silence...
I go looking in the comments for a timestamp for the low brass excerpt part and didn't find one, which is reasonable, but I did see a bunch of people commenting about how much they hate the conductor, to which I have to mention that he's where he is right now because he didn't spend his time writing salty youtube comments about somebody who knows way more about what they are doing than these commentors do. TL;DR chill
Evan White valid point, but I do see how it could be hard to be influenced to play more emotionally and expressively given his pedestrian conducting style
@@BostonBum15 oh fuck off, you really, truly, sincerely, think you're a better musician than Boulez?
Hypocrisy finger-pointing so-called hypocrisy. People aren't entitled to their opinions? You said salty??? hahaha
Edgyness is so edgy!
OMG you must be an Héctor Berlioz writing musical critique and talking about the taste of people criticising a tasteless conductor!
Its not about how they perform when conducting, its the interpretation that counts
thanks for this music and R.I.P bruckner and boulez
io sono 53 year old. I was born on 1972. I have finally discovered Brucknert. Raptada que maravilla por Bruckner!!!!!!!!
Bruckner’s symphonies promote spilitual uplift andawakening, and activates the soul
Boulez, um nome grande na Música Contemporânea, um Inovador, mas também um exímio chefe de orquestra, como prova a esta magnífica interporetação da 8ª de Bruckner. Vídeo de excelente qualidade. Para ver e ouvir sempre que possível. Muito bom.
Thank you for placing the advertisments between the movements!
Excelente, gracias por publicarlo, saludos desde Guadalajara Jalisco Mexico
Excelent, thanks for sharing,
54:59 low brass 🙃
thank me later😘
David Avila 1:07:41
Crowwwwwwnnnnn
sound for me like a batman theme... or very similar at least.
Lol thanks
Bahaha, you nailed me a year later. But I'm gonna listen through the whole thing to earn it.
viajando con mi familia por Austria, me detuve en la abadía de San Florian para visitar la tumba del genial maestro Anton Bruckner.-Saludos desde Chile
At 1:16:12 we see the timpanist pounding out those grace notes with utmost authority ! BRAVO
The timpanist, as you might expect from the VPO, does play "with great authority" but what he plays are not "grace notes" but the dotted figure emblem of both the 4th movement and the entire symphony. At Boulez's finale tempo, these dotted figures do, when played accurately (as they are not always by the trumpets), sound something like grace notes.
Funny how different people can hear the same performance of the same piece and form either positive or negative opinions. To me I am heartened by what Boulez did with a piece not in his wheelhouse. Joachim he is not but he is serving Bruckner beautifully.
Der Stil des Dirigierens von Pierre Boulez ist mir, offen gestanden, doch zu akademisch.
Dennoch, der Klang der Wiener und das denkwürdige Datum und der denkwürdige Ort...
Das Konzert ist eine Referenzaufnahme!
NS: Die Wiener Philharmoniker sind einfach Weltklasse! Bewahrt die Tradition!
NNS: Die Trompetengruppe hat mir ganz besonders gut gefallen!
No estoy preparado todavía para una obra tan compleja... seguiré con Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin y Shubert!
Certainly, anyone can argue whether any given conductor gets a Bruckner symphony across or not, but there are few performances that I cannot glean moments of great insight - unless the orchestra just can't handle the immense demands of these pieces. I love the Boulez performance - and the Jochum, Karajan, Walter, Haitink, Celibidache, Abbado, Bernstein, Blomstedt, etc.....etc...
Nicely stated.
To your list I would respectfully add the recorded performances of Jascha Horenstein (stereophonic, as well as monaural). If, as one wag quipped, "Bruckner was God's thank-you note to humanity," then Horenstein was God's thank-you note to Bruckner (and, of course, Mahler).
You mentioned Bernstein. Just wondering if he did record/perform any Bruckner works beside his famous VPO Bruckner 9?
Gilbert's recording with New York is also fantastic.
@@neil7137 Bruckner 6 with new york Phil
It's incredible how many people dislikes Boulez conducting, I'm not myself his fan, but I really respected him like musician and polemic conductor. You could complain to the person who invited to conduct this important date. Now he's in a better place beyond any criticism or animosity! The concert was good but not excellent, period!
People dislike Boulez ?🤔😐
His Bartok is pretty fabulous. Mandarin is to me his finest with the NYP. Also love his Daphnis et Chloe
from PERSIA with Passion
Magnifique.
John Williams at the viola
Anton! Thou good and faithful servant! Deo gratia!
54:59 is used as the opening for "On the shoulders of giants"
I think that P.B likes to build at the powered dynamics of the orchestra a 3D image for the move of low and mid strings and brasses. Sometimes it sounds like a microphone flies over the orchestra on horizontal 8 3d move ( apeiron sign). I'm asking if It's possible to be generated it from the sound engineer.
Magistral conducción de monumental obra de Bruckner! Bellísima música, incomparable!!!
The VPO chose to play wonderfully expressively that's their choice and it should be respected. I wish there were more recordings of Boulez conducting Bruckner. He conducted symphonies 5 7 and 9. He had a wonderful grasp of structure. Perhaps it takes him back to his childhood Catholic upbringing.
It is a pity Brian Large points the camera away from the performance at the beginning and during the applause which is soon cut. Large shows poor judgment here.
Karl Bohm was another non touchy feely conductor that the VPO chose to play expressively for. He also did Bruckner 8 superbly.
Nineteenth century music should not be performed in a smoochy over romantic way.
Here is Bruckner 5 filmed in the same venue th-cam.com/video/lx62A3vXX1g/w-d-xo.html
La piu' misteriosa tra le sinfonie del grande compositore. In essa Bruckner sembra superare, senza rinunciarvi, al concetto stesso di bellezza in musica. Come e piu' delle precedenti, alla monumentale ottava non si accede col superficiale e semplicistico desiderio di ascoltare un bel brano d musica, quanto di partecipare ad un evento "cosmico", direi apocalittico
Il mio Adagio preferito...
L' "intensità" che Boulez sa trasfondere dalle sinfonie di Bruckner e Mahler è senza eguali e paragoni ! ! !
Boulez is good for this sort of thing, he groks the paradox of the Dark Prince conducting the Arch-Romantic
what a great performance, and a surprise that for a man who never wrote a melody in his whole life, Boulez seems at home with this very lyrical symphonic unit.
Wasn't Boulez also a composer?
@@theonewhoknocks6353 I think chrish12345 meant that Boulez composed without ever writing a melody.
@1tbo Oh now I get it a "catchy" tune if you will😅
It's a special occasion performance. I heard Eschenbach conduct them in the work in the Novak edition at the BBC Proms. The Novak edition is shorter but still Boulez' performance is far preferable.
That poor tuba player. He has to sit in the back by himself.
Non conoscevo Bruckner e mi sono accostato con diffidenza, sicuro di sentire la solita rimasticatura di Wagner. Invece ha una sua personalità autonoma e un suo fascino. Da riascoltare più volte.
Es sollte einem zu denken geben, wenn man Boulez Bruckner und Strawinsky mit der gleichen Schlagtechnik dirigieren sieht...
53:30 指揮者のアインザッツにかなり遅れてピツィカート。かっこいい...............。
Boulez's playing foreshadows his later non-vibrato playing.
Roth embodies this.
An enthralling performance
hoewel ik zijn eigen muziek niet begrijp,vind ik hem een fantastische dirigent, met name
in deze Bruckner, geweldige tempi en geen gezeur.Magistrale muziek en magistraal gespeeld.Hugo Sanders,oud violist Concertgebouworkest
Voor mij blijft er geen betere voor Bruckner dan Haitink.
22:16 Woa! Is that... Is it... Expression? On Pierre's face!?
I think it was expression of a vexation... Strings came up late than the beat he was conducting.
Essa sinfonia é excelente! Nos eleva até a contemplação das belezas de Deus.
A turbulência destra obra contrasta com a serenidade espetacular do maestro.
What are the horns at 43:00 called? Those aren't French horns...are those euphoniums (euphonia?)?
they're Wagner tubas
@@hengsikai2862 Ah, thank you. Very infrequently used apparently. Mix of French horn and trombone sound. I love it.
Boulez is a great musician, there is no question about that. But what is he doing with his hands and arms? I can understand that you conduct like this when the piece is something super-tricky, written in 1970, where everybody in the orchestra is f****d up when one single “1” is unclear. But here?
P.s.: he underlines the great, 19-bar crescendo from 39:25 by getting faster, and then back to slow. I find that inappropriate.
50:24: Can barely hear half the notes from the harp in the 3rd movement, if that.
Viva el "heavy metal". Una de las grandes sinfonías de la historia.
Sublime.
Ein denkwürdiges Datum! Ein denkwürdiges Konzert!
Please buy the CD,it was published in 2000 with this definitive Robert Haas version.
I have it. I love it.
I guess 180bpm is "nicht schnell" for Boulez.
It literally sounded like the audio was sped up. Horrible.
I did not notice. In recent EDM, even 180 is a normal level, so I wonder if I got used to it.
Ever heard the Paavo Järvi's version? That's much faster. Boulez on the other hand doesn't play it exceptionally fast. He's here on par with Karajan!
@@a.hollins8691 😊😊😊
@@a.hollins8691 😊😊
Timps go for it 1:00:15
I don't know these symphonies at all. Where have I been?
Welcome to Bruckner's world- great treasures lie in store! For me, the 9th symphony, his last, is the pinnacle of Western orchestral music.
Speaking of Western Civ., you have definitely not been at KU or many other "great" universities of the land which have all but eliminated great educational experiences in the arts and humanities that used to be considered vital to a liberal arts education. These schools have unabashedly gone to promoting education for getting good jobs in the computer, medical and finance fields.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🌹🌹🌹
Запись,сделанная Караяном и Венским филармоническим оркестром,в этом же монастыре святого Флориана в 1979 году НАМНОГО ЛУЧШЕ!!! В интерпретации Булеза нет не трагизма,переживаний,мощи и грандиозности музыки,в особенности в финале.
1:02:04 cleanest 3 notes
As usual an unenthusiastic and half hearted reaction from the audience after this epic symphony. Is this a cultural thing in Austria. I would have thought they would’ve connected with their countryman, Bruckner, but no! As usual he is put on the back burner and forgettable whilst they dish out hours of Mozart, Beethoven and Brahms.
Bring this symphony to the promenade concerts in London and contrast the difference!!
Maybe it has more to do with Boulez. Not exactly the Bruckner-style people are used to...
The problem with Bruckner's music is that it constantly wandering and inconsistent. He is not grounded in sonata form nor does his music have a sense of architecture. Every moment of Beethoven's 9, Brahms' 4, and Most of the great Mozart symphonies 35,36,38,39,40,41,and even 25, 29, and 34 is great. Replete with melodies, harmonic genius. I do not get Anton Bruckner attempts at symphonic greatness. My loss I guess.NIKTOK 76.
Judy Samuels yep, your loss, and wrong, sonata form is not synonymous with architecture. He is also not inconsistent, many of his symphonies follow a similar structure, and he has great control over it
If you visit St Florian and Linz, you will find that Anton Bruckner is very much revered there.
@@judysamuels4988 Are you joking?
All the way into the 2nd theme group before we actually get to see the performers? C'mon, Mr Large! We're not here to look at pretty pictures.
Oh, but this isn't any concert hall- this is St Florian's: Bruckner's church. It's not only a ravishing example of baroque architecture, but Bruckner played the organ here and he is buried beneath it.
Four movement
Charming visuals near the end of the first movement. Prefer more views of the orchestra.
42:47
A little Gallic lightness of touch is very welcome in this feast of German stodge! (Joke).
The majesty of Bruckner is self evident, but bad performances can be very tiring. A little briskness (for a change) in this the longest of the symphonies was very welcome
Austrian, but I do agree with you. I've heard it said that R. Strauss should be played like Mendelssohn. Lightness would help a lot of things.
Actually Mr. Large, we are here for the music, not the architecture or mediocre paintings. Large's camera is always wandering in the direction of inanity in pretty much everything he did. Pity he has left his mark on so many filmed performances over many decades both in Europe and the US.
Otoh, I was very happy to see details in this gorgeous collegiate church which I doubt I'll ever see close up, and in which Meister Bruckner worshipped and performed many many times. Thx, Brian! I was not distracted from the music at all.
1:04:22 & 1:04:57
Could the tempo be any faster?
Yes
Just wave your hands faster
Sent here by Douglas Murray.
36:22 Am I the only one who thinks that's Rade Šerbedžija in the audience?
Is it over? Thank God.
777
Reger, where you at?
ein takt-schläger.
1:16:32 Tennstedt in audiences ⁉︎
Something ususual that just Bruckner did, from time 01:00:15 to 01:01:01
35:53 .... wow
8:40 54:59 1:07:40
I still think Donald Runnicles 8th is more stirring
1.19 but there is variant 1.32
The second chair trombonist kinda looks like teddy roosevelt
too fast
It's like I'm listening through the soundtrack of Story of Thor.
The 4th is called the Romantic, but I feel the 8th is more romantic
Yea, i always wondered that, maybe because its one of the first symphonies i heard by Bruckner, this and the 7th.
W wunderbar
Pompös
It took a bit too long for the camera to reach conductor and orchestra. What's the use of such filmographic ambitions? I could live without the mannerisms of the director.
I have two problems with this wonderful performance: the all-boys band and Bruckner.
I noticed that also. 1996 and no women in the orchestra?
I prefer the dramarism of Furtwangler but it's well played, it's OK.
Ne pouvant pas vivre de ses "compositions", il fallait bien qu'il se rende utile a quelque chose... Je lui met 13,5/20 comme chef d'orchestre.
from 21:34 ........ *shivers*
What a tepid response to a glorious performance.
They’re in church
What an incredible combination of music and setting. So much beauty in one place, it is hard to handle. Just goes to show the superiority of Western art.
You know it *is* possible to appreciate one form of art without being a fascist and declaring others inferior.
dzc4627 I
Are you kidding? Declaring the superiority of Western art is fascistic? Please explain.
its comments like these that turn off people from western art whereas this is not about western or eastern but human art.
Did you make any of the art in this video? Nope, so it neither belongs to you alone or the people who played this but to everyone.
keep your vulgarity to pages not concerned with enjoying the great gift of music, please! It's totally uncalled for, since Boulez is merely conducting one of the greatest symphonies from the 19th century. Thank you!