Keep making the "Understanding [Insert Denomination] series. As a Catholic, it is so interesting to learn more about other denominations, and I appreciate how unbiased you are!
Glad you find it interesting! I've also become interested with all the denominations of Christianity, because well it is interesting and there's always something new to learn haha, God bless! 😂❤
I'm Orthodox, and I've seen this view both espoused as dogma and disparaged as heresy by various Orthodox Christians in discussion forums. Three Orthodox, four opinions!
He did a terrible job describing it. The early church believed Hell was actually Gods love in the form of fire. That no matter what you did, God still loves you and to some like Hitler, it is painful to know you can still be forgiven given the millions of people you killed. Also, Orthodox does not believe in some of the first statements. Salvation isnt a heaven or hell thing either, its a delivered, healed, saved from the powr and effects of sin. In all 100 times salvation is used... There is no mention of the afterlife in the term. Also, your faith doesnt save your from sin, but Jesus faith in you in which you had no part of. WHILE YOU WERE A SINNER, God brought you into his son. Most of this stuff will sound absolutely blasphemous to the western Christianity but to those who are hungry to hear more the actual Good news, look up John Crowder on TH-cam. Let the heretic comments roll out now 😢(I feel sorry for the american church)
As a Catholic, I appreciate what you said about works. The parable of the talents is a good example, it’s not the amount of works that saves us, but what we do with the gift of faith/ grace that God has given us.
Canon 32. "If anyone says that the good works of the one justified are in such manner the gifts of God that they are not also the good merits of him justified; or that the one justified by the good works that he performs by the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ (of whom one is a living member), the justified does not truly merit an increase of grace, and eternal life, provided that one dies in the state of grace, the attainment of this eternal life, as well as an increase in glory, let him be anathema."
Here's the support for my statement: Ephesians 2:8-10 ESV For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [9] not a result of works, so that no one may boast. [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Romans 6:1-2 ESV What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? [2] By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?
@@GogglesOstrich “You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And similarly, was not Rahab the prostitute also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by another way? For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.” James 2:24-26
I am Hindu but I want to convert my religion from Hindu to Christianity. I don't understanding that "why my faith is increasing in Christian religion"? Christianity is the excellent and true religion. I accept the paramountcy of our God Lord Jesus Christ, Holy Mother Mary, Holy Bible and of Holy Church. I accept that " Lord Jesus Christ is our God, our Guide, our King, our Lord and Savior. Glory be to Lord Jesus Christ. Amen 🛐✝️☦️
That’s awesome bro one of my good friends grew up in India and was kinda Hindu, but more so didn’t care and was atheist. A Christian kept nagging him and showing him love for over 10 years any he finally gave the Bible a try and God changed his life. Now he tries to share the message with everyone he can! What’s your story?
Also I’m sure there’s a church somewhere near where you live, but Bible says, if you confess that Jesus is Lord and believe He’s raised from the dead you’ll be saved! (Romans 10:9). If you do that, you can have new life right now. Definitely find a church though and get baptized as soon as possible cause it’s the sign that you’ve become a believer, and the church does help you to have other people you can learn more and relate with!
But you cant, you never can. Thats why God brought you into union with himself. Orthodoxy is about our union with God not on my behalf but his. You didnt give birth to yourself. My words, actions, nothing I do changes the reality of Christ in me. Here come the heretic comments... 😢😢
@@prins_af_danmark Well at least you got off lightly for most of your life. Hopefully you can put yesterday behind you, and walk towards something more profitable to your soul, specifically the Son of God.
Pentecostal here, and I’ve met many beautiful brothers and sisters under almost every denomination! A lot of them give excellent points, and I’ll listen to any sermon from any denomination, it just goes to show how our infinite Father can fill His children with devotion and conviction through His Spirit. Christ is King, and may His fruit provide for you in abundance and prosperity in Jesus mighty name. Amen.
Technically speaking it's much more like execution than murder, as it's legal, systematic, delivered by the authorities, and the person being killed is not being viewed as a victim.
@@ÍtaloResiåYou shouldn't pull verses out of context. Read Exodus 17:8-14, Numbers 14:41-45, Judges 3:12-14; 6:3, and 6:33-35. The Amalekites had made an enemy of God. They also had a history of child sacrifice(Deuteronomy 12:31) to false gods. This was divine justice and retribution, not genocide as some think. God is all-loving but He is also all-just and will wipe out those who make enemies of Him and will protect His people. The wages of Sin is death(Romans 6:23) after all.
And yet, it is very much a religion. When you strip away the cloak and deception, it's just satanism at it's core. Do As Thou Wilt (and without any hint of shame) is the whole of their law, just as it is with satanism, but it's modified. Because Satanism might tell you to do as you wish, but it doesn't explain how an entire society can do as they wish, without impacting each other. Satanism was designed for a small group of individuals in the closet. Progressive Satanism (because that's what it really is) is here to tell you who gets to do as they wish, and who does not, so that it can be consistent on a societal scale. Generally, every deviation from the natural order belongs to those who get to do as they wilt, and every adherence to the natural order belongs to those who don't get to do as they wilt. It's 2024 satanism in a nutshell.
How salvation works according to the bible. Romans 10:9 says, "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved".
@@kuhatsuifujimoto9621 Read the rest of the verse! 1 Peter 3:21 (emphasis added) “Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-NOT THE REMOVAL OF DIRT from the flesh, but an APPEAL TO GOD for a good conscience-through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,” Peter is not saying that a physical water baptism is necessary for salvation. He’s saying that water is not part of salvation, but the heart’s intention of an appeal to God is. A spiritual baptism is what saves us, not being immersed in water. A physical water baptism is symbolic of your salvation, but it is not strictly necessary.
That's it! "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and ye shall be saved" is the only way to heaven in this age of grace. God made it simple, we make it complicated.
Who is Paul speaking to in Romans? He is speaking to the church. Those who already obeyed Acts 2:38. The Bible says over and over again that baptism is required to be saved. Baptism in the NAME of JESUS Christ is required to wash away sins. It is the only way to have the blood applied to you. Then you only need to confess your sins, and the blood is reapplied to you.
I have to say that the Orthodox view of salvation was a bit inaccurately described. In the Orthodox Church we have no "legal" understanding of sin and hell as is the case, for example, in the Catholic Church (no "purgatory" or "indulgence"). It should be added to theosis that we believe that in the end we only be saved by God's grace. I also have to say that it sounded very biased and didn't go into enough details, such as the meaning of the sacraments.
As a catholic, quick correction. Sin(mortal) does not kill faith (dogmatic faith), but charity. It would kill "formed faith", that is faith working through love.
Why don’t you keep going, “ it results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace , that is the state of grace.”(catechism of the Catholic Church par 1861). So when you commit mortal sin you lose your salvation, then have to gain it back through the second plank of penance. It’s a whole work based system that brings no peace. That’s why there was the reformation.
@@Coteincdrok. Just be honest though and admit that mortal sin ends justifying grace. That’s why it is called mortal! And then admit you gain back your salvation through the sacrament of penance but then you are still under temporal punishment and that if you die in a state of mortal sin then you go to hell. That’s why purgatory exists. Because without purgatory, it’s pretty much an impossible sell to be a Romanist
@@randnew1 Not quite... Mortal sin does not kill faith. It kills the life of Grace. Faith (itself a free gift from God) remains to assist the individual to come to repentance and thus reignite that life of Grace. Also with the sacrament of confession - the forgiveness of sin is not dependent on completing the penance given. The penance is only there to assist the healing of the temporal damage done by the sin
@TimC1517 ---> True that. Baptists actually read their Bibles. Lutherans listen to the Pastor once a week read sections of the Bible from the lectern. They trust in an "infant baptism" (which they do not remember, nor did they ask for) to take away the Augustinian myth of "Birth Sin". They live just like the worldlings do 6 days a week. {[ I know whereof I speak: I married into a W.E.L.S. family. Ugh! Spiritually Deadsville. Thankfully my 3 kids all asked to be baptized in my Baptist Church in the mid to later teen years. My son is now a Baptist Pastor. Both daughters are married to Baptist Deacons and they read their Bibles during the week at home.]}
@@gusloader123 This is a very uncharitable thing to say and rather nasty. I grew up in an LCMS church and I am still a Lutheran, but I attended Baptist churches for years and met some of the most amazing Christians there. I agree one of the best things about Baptists is their focus on the Word. But, sorry as I am to hear your experience with Lutherans was bad, that has never been my experience with any Lutheran church as I have attended.
@@TimC1517 --- They are trusting in "infant baptism" to save them and agreeing with the catechism. There is never a mention of being 'Born again" or getting saved from sin, repenting and believing in Jesus Christ all week long, not just 1 and 1/2 hours on a Sunday.
Sin will not enter heaven. The Bible says, Sin is only washed away when you are baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ. The Bible says, There is only one way to be saved. Obey what is required to be saved before it is to late. Only those who obey Acts 2:38 will be saved. The Bible says, You must repent of your sins. The Bible says, You must be baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ to wash away your sins. Not the titles father, son, HolyGhost. The Bible says that, JESUS is the father JESUS is the son JESUS is the HolyGhost The Bible says, Then you need to receive the HolyGhost. The only evidence of receiving the HolyGhost is to speak in another tongue. Joel 2, and Acts 2, GOD said that He would pour out His spirit on all flesh. Not just the Jews. JESUS said you must be born AGAIN, of the water and the spirit to be saved. AGAIN. Born of water AGAIN Water = baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ Spirit = receiving the HolyGhost Sin will Not enter heaven, and only baptism in the NAME of JESUS Christ washes away sins. Then JESUS said that upon Peter, He would build His church. Acts 2 the Jews received the HolyGhost and were baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ. Acts 2:38, Peter commanded everyone to Repent, get baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ, and receive the HolyGhost to be saved. Acts 8:14-17, the Samaritans received the HolyGhost speaking in tongues, just like the Jews, and were baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ, just like the Jews. Acts 10:43-48, the Gentiles received the HolyGhost, speaking in another tongue, just like the Jews, and were baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ just like the Jews. Acts 19:1-6, more received the HolyGhost, speaking in tongues, and were baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ. Acts 22:16, the only way to have your sins washed away is Baptism in the NAME of JESUS Christ. You don't pray for tongues. Tongues automatically happens when you receive the HolyGhost. JESUS Name baptism is required to be saved. The HolyGhost is required to be saved. For more than 34 years, every single person who has received the HolyGhost in our church, all spoke in tongues. Including someone this morning. The hundreds of churches, and thousands of people that we fellowship across the United States, and see at conferences, all speak in tongues. Everyone who received the HolyGhost at the Ashbury college, all spoke in tongues. The hundreds of missionaries that we have around the world, report on the thousands receiving the HolyGhost every month, all speaking in tongues. Last year Ethiopia was having a massive revival, and almost 1 million Ethiopians have received the HolyGhost, all of them speaking in tongues. Isaiah prophesied that with stammering lips and another tongue, shall he speak to His people. Everyone who receives the HolyGhost, always speaks in tongues, just like it did 2000 years ago.
I’ve watched your channel for a while now and I love that when you explain the different denominations you don’t have a biased opinion. You always make sure to explain what is true and what isn’t true (in that denomination). Thank you for explaining everything great and being unbiased!
I think it's the opposite, a lot of times heresy comes when we try to overcomplicate the simplicity of the Gospel. 2 corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
@@somemedic8482 Church history has witnessed both. But it's definitely dependent upon the type of heresy. If it's a soteriological heresy, than the tendency may be to overcomplicate the Gospel. If it's a trinitarian heresy, the tendency is often to oversimplify who God is as revealed throughout OT and NT. Redeemzed Zoomer even mentions Oneness Pentecostals at 11:30 who believe that Trinity is overly complicated, emphasize that the word "Trinity" itself is not even found in scripture, and that the doctrine is the tradition of men. They deny the Trinity in exchange for modalism, claiming Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are merely three personal manifestations of one being, one personal God.
by faith alone, in Christ alone. SO SIMPLE, but we get it SO wrong because we want to feel good that we are doing enough to get heaven. All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags!!!
as an Orthodox would like to quote Saint Isaac the Syrian: "Those tormented in Gehenna are struck by the scourge of love, says Saint Isaac. And how bitter and cruel is this torment of love! For those who have felt that they have sinned against love suffer a torment that is stronger than any other terrible torment; the sorrow that strikes the heart for the sin against love is more painful than any possible punishment. It is inappropriate for a person to think that sinners in Gehenna are deprived of God's love. Love... is given to everyone in general. But love by its power acts in two ways: it torments sinners, as here it happens that a friend suffers from a friend, and it gladdens those who have fulfilled their duty (to God). And so, in my opinion, such is the torment of Gehenna - it is repentance"
Like Hitler realizing he is forgiven from killed millions of jews... The eternal lake of fire is Gods love. To some, like hitler, it is hell. We humans call for judgement, justice, punishment. But Jesus called for turning the cheek, loving your enemy, and forgiving. His love will always be offensive to the religious.
@@chrispassion1822 How can forgiveness be hell for the forgiven ones? And what about God being the ultimate judge condemning those on whom God's wrath remains, according to John 3,36? God told us to not judge recklessly but that doesn't mean that he doesn't judge himself, just as he can tell us not to murder others but then command to kill people as he is the only one with a totally righteous judgement.
But the bible tells us that those in hell curse the name of God blaming him for their predicament. So that would normally mean that they don't think they were wrong. So how would God's love be torture if they don't acknowledge their wrong doing? Plus, even in the gospels it tells the story of the rich man that goes to hell/hades and there is an impassible gulf between him and Lazarus who went to paradise. So how can you say they are in the same place? Hell, will be an actual place, but the real torment of it will be the Absence of God in that place. For that is what the unbelievers chose. Whereas heaven, for the 1000 years at least, will be on a transformed earth with Christ as King having brought down the new Jerusalem.
Thank you for your contributions to fostering unity within the body of Christ brother Richard! Understanding each others differences for certain can help us understand the core beliefs of the faith that unify us! Blessings in Christ!
Redeemed Zoomer portrays Eastern Christian denominations (like Christian Orthodox) as having a less complex theology and being more mystical when the theology is just different. Not just this video, but in his channel. More broadly, there is a habit of Westerners percieving Eastern beliefs (whether Eastern Europe, the Middle East, India, or East Asia) as less rational. In reality, Eastern concepts are just different and Eastern reasoning tends to be more lateral and holistic and less linear and reductionist.
It was a primer of Christian denominations, not everything else that is non-Christian.
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Eastern Orthodox believers will specifically state that they dislike the excessive rationalism of the west, they not only embrace mysticism but theologically ground their beliefs due to the holy spirit not preceding from the son in the same way he does the father.
@@Dogloki I'm not making him stumble - I am just pointing out that STRAIGHT is the gate, NARROW is the Way and few there be that find it. Praising God is fine, but it won't achieve much if it's false. Cain praised God by giving fruit and veges - God rejected him. He also clearly said, "If Cain does right, will he not be accepted?" Clearly then, correct doctrine is key to salvation, and you won't get a scrap of correct doctrine in the Lutheran church, or in fact in most churches - because they're all trinitarian. They make Jesus God, and in doing so they remove the mediator BETWEEN God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus. Spending your life learning Lutheranism is no different to spending your life learning Catholicism....or any other 'ism'.... all are 'another way', and Jesus called all who try to come by another way "thieves and robbers." So instead of finding fault with what I have said, why not preach the same Gospel that Jesus preached? He didn't mention Luther.
Oriental Orthodox here. Orthodoxy is purely the fullness of our faith as founded by the Apostles. And I do have assurance of my salvation so far as I continue in the faith, in which the Lord’s mercies will endure and sustain me forever. Thus, we don’t work for salvation but because of our ongoing salvific process. Remember fellow believers, faith is more than just intellectual-it’s experiential. Attend a Divine Liturgy and you will experience Christ as more than just words on a page. Amen.
I'm Armenian but don't know too much about the topic. Dislike the legalistic definitions of what was said in most of this video. Where can I find more information about the oriental, and more specifically, the Armenian point of view?
@@ApostolicStorm Read GOD'S *pure words* in the Bible and you'll never need. Cachetisms, vatican I or II, all fallen men trying to redefine GOD'S word. The great harlot's end has been prophecied - in the bible. Come out from her!
@@CaptainFlamingo19 Hello beloved. I foremost recommend attending the Liturgy of an Armenian Apostolic Church if you are near one. The Armenian Church is in communion with all of the other Oriental Orthodox Churches: Coptic (Egyptian), Ethiopian, Syriac, Syrian, and Eritrean Churches. We all hold to three Ecumenical Councils: Nicaea (325 AD), Constantinople (381 AD), and Ephesus (431 AD). Specifically, the Armenian Church adheres to Seven Sacraments: Baptism; Chrismation; Eucharist; Confession; Marriage; Holy Orders; and Anointing of the Sick. Also, the Armenians use leavened rather than unleavened bread, and do not mix water with wine upon consecrating and offering the Holy Eucharist. God be with you on your journey of faith, and may the Armenian Church become your home. Amen.
@@John-jh5ks The Apostolic Church is not the “harlot” of Scripture, but one thing is for sure that Protestantism derailed the Church from its Apostolic foundation.
The Catholic perspective is mostly accurate, but it needs some clarification: We believe we are saved by grace, through faith that works through love (Galatians 5:6) - a faith that is living and active, rather than a faith that just acknowledges belief. The Church teaches that we are not justified by faith alone, as a passive, once-and-done event. But our faith must bear fruit, and our cooperation with grace, seen through our works, keeps us in communion with God (James 2:24). We don’t believe faith can be “killed” by mortal sin. Instead, mortal sin severs our relationship with God by an act of the will, rejecting grace. When we sin mortally, the virtue of charity, the "soul" of faith, is lost, which is why confession and penance are needed to restore that communion. As for purgatory, it is not about “extra sanctification” in the sense that it’s something that gets added. Purgatory is the final purification of the soul from any remaining attachment to sin, making us ready to enter the fullness of God’s presence in heaven. This is not a second chance for salvation, it's the final step for those who die in grace but are not yet perfectly purified. And lastly, while the Church does teach that God ordinarily dispenses grace through the sacraments, we believe the Church is the sole custodian of the fullness of truth and grace. So, just because God can work outside of visible structures of the Church in ways known to Him alone, this doesn't mean salvation is ordinarily accessible outside the Church.
@@arnkriegbaum Jesus' words in Luke 12:41-48 is a great example. Also if you look at the Old Testament, there is a overwhelming recurring theme - God requires purification before one can enter his presence. Of course if one's belief simply rests on "accepting Jesus into your heart/Jesus did everything so I can do nothing" then all of this sounds like nonsense.
The first paragraph is actually very close to what Luther taught. He said that we are saved by faith alone, BUT we are not saved by a faith which is alone, that is, a faith which does not work through love. The works do not save us, but they are a necessary accompaniment to saving faith. Here is a quote from his preface to the book of Romans: "O it is a living, busy, active, mighty thing, this faith. It is impossible for it not to be doing good works incessantly. It does not ask whether good works are to be done, but before the question is asked, it has already done them, and is constantly doing them. Whoever does not do such works, however, is an unbeliever. He gropes and looks around for faith and good works, but knows neither what faith is nor what good works are. Yet he talks and talks, with many words, about faith and good works."
This was so fun and enlightening! thank you for your work to outline this. If you are looking for another topic, it will be magnificent if you could consider this one. "What to do as a Christian after your saved in each denomination" I.e. outline what denominations strive to live for, or to action, as they have now "been saved." Blessings from New Zealand
It’s really hard to pin down Baptist views on anything due to the very nature and definition of Baptists. That being said, you did a good job of not over generalizing and explaining the standard views while recognizing there is nuance and distinction within our camp.
I would consider myself Baptist just because I mostly agree with their points, that said I didn’t agree with everything that other baptists believe in as showcases in the video.
There is a lot of variance. But there are Baptist distinctives that define the Baptist movement Bible- sole authority of Faith & Practice (big one) Regenerated Church membership (another divider) Autonomy of the local church (it's not a denomination 😀) Priesthood of the believer (nothing between me & God). Soul Liberty (I answer to Jesus, not ecclesiatical authority) Immersion & Lord's supper (only 2 ordinances, NOT sacraments) Separation of church & state (our contribution to Western civilization!)
The council says that if anyone says that after reception of grace that eternal judgement is so blotted out…let him be anathema. This is saying that belief in the work of Christ and the grace given by Him for sinners isn’t enough to grant salvation
@@danielwarton5343Session 6 CANON I.-If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.
@@RomaCatholica it’s saying that it cannot be achieved by man’s works alone in the passage you quoted. The section I quoted states that grace alone isn’t enough to save someone. Would you agree?
As a Baptist I'd say "If you stopped believing, you never truly believed" is creating the wrong impression. It implies that it's possible somebody wouldn't know if they have true belief. I know right now that I truly believe and as such I know with 100% certainty that I am saved
“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.” 1 John 2:19
I fall into a category of mixture of Baptist, Reformed, trinitarian, Calvinist, with a small amount of Protestant. I’ve noticed that I don’t agree 100% with any classification. As a gentile, I know there’s Pauline theology in me as well. What I’ve learned is most important is Jesus Christ is our God. He rules over everything. My Calvinism tells me that God is so incredible that he does know everything. Even with the freewill he gave us, he knows the outcome. Therefore it is Written in the book of life. You will not surprise God in any way! He already knows! But maybe God is hoping that one of us might prove him wrong, even though he knows you won’t. One more thing that makes Jesus Christ our God. Elohim; God with us! But otherwise I don’t think it’s worth arguing over. It just shows that you’re usually arguing against something that you don’t agree with. There’s always at least one thing off about all theologies. Unless you can prove your point using a KJV Bible, you’re not worth arguing. Every other Bible translation has a slightly different God. I see how starting with a KJV, then switching to an NAS has affected my beliefs. I’ve had to work those issues out with Gods Word. I had to conform to Gods Will! The only reliable Christian translation is the KJV Bible! Otherwise you may end up with some bad traits that are not from Jesus!
🎃You should make a video about if Christians should celebrate Halloween!🎃 I know I keep saying this but I really think It would make an interesting video.(especially since it's almost the 31st)
_“One person judges one day to be more important than another day. Someone else judges every day to be the same. Let each one be fully convinced in his own mind.”_ Romans 14:5
I think as long as you're not praising/ worshiping hell or demons it's a fine. Having kids dressed up in Spider-Man costumes asking for candy is not a bad/ evil thing. Just my opinion
I still remember the conversation I had at age 6 with my Dad. We were discussing whether or not I believed in Jesus. I said I did, and then got baptized a little later in-front of my classmates during our school's chapel service. They were all so happy for me :) I also remember who baptized me. Thanks, Jim!
While I’m more Baptist leaning I’ve started going to a Presbyterian church for the similarities between the two, the history, and the high church setting. Also your videos, ancient paths videos, and truth units videos have been my biggest influences lately when it comes to historic Christianity and my decision to go to a Presbyterian Church today. Still on the fence about infant baptism but I do plan on going back next Sunday. Keep up the hard work Redeemed 🙏
paedobaptism is a doctrine that ive been back and forth on for maybe five years also. im in a baptist church where a lot of the elders and congregation are reformed and trained in theology so whenever i hear wilson or r. scott clark on the subject i always ask someone from my church for a response. maybe i will die being on the fence still 🤣
Hey RZ, just going to add that in Pentecostalism the dogma of needing to speak in tongues is different. Maybe its the influence of other denominations but there is a growing group that agree that Tongues is a gift but not necessarily everyone needs to speak it.
that is how my church believes, tongues and other spiritual abilities are not a requirement, and we believe the spirit is working through you for the benefit of either someone specific, or the entire congregation. my church may be different because it's a southern church of god. so loud sermons and people feeling the spirit and speaking in tongues, dancing, jumping, laughing, shouting, and even doing things they're physically incapable of doing bc the spirit is working through them. we personally don't believe that 3rd work of grace, we believe we all fall short of the glory of god, and we never actually stop sinning because we are imperfect humans. this is just what my church believes, personally. not saying anybody has to be this way.
@@ahhgeez I'm leery of the people who are jumping around, shouting, etc. Seems to go against Paul's instruction that everything should be done in an orderly way in 1 Corinthians 14. I've also seen where people get so desperate to be included as one of the insiders among a group, they will hype themselves up into thinking the Holy Spirit is speaking through them, when if fact they're just drunk on the feeling of raw emotions. Large group "revivals" are notorious for whipping people into a frenzy, then when they go home the dopamine and adrenaline fade out and they realize life is still as boring and drudgery like it was before, so they keep on trying to seek the next spiritual high. I've also yet to see a confirmed "healing" session where something verifiably medically wrong with someone is checked afterward and found to be truly healed in the moment. Shysters like Benny Hinn are well known for their so-called "faith healing" for profit. I live near James River Church where a pastor claimed that a woman had some toes regrown at one of their services, but there was no documentation of her condition before the service, and once they were called out to provide some evidence, they hushed it up to "protect the woman from scrutiny"... even though THEY were the ones who first went the to media to discuss it. Makes Christians look like lunatics when people do this kind of silly stuff.
@@cheekibreeki904 1Co 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
I want to compliment you on the lutheran segment. Usually, when you talked about Lutheranism in the past, it was always a bit simplified, where what you said is technically correct, but the details are important to understanding it completely. "Baptism saves" can be misunderstood, if it's not explained what we mean by it :D Namely, that baptism is a means of grace through which god creates faith in us. And that it's not specifically the water of baptism, or the human work of baptism that saves. And that, of course, other means of grace can create faith too. Or that we believe in "single predestination" can also be misunderstood, when it's not also explained that we also agree with Arminian in the fact, that if a human is lost, it's because he resisted it, it's his own fault, and god isn't just "passing them over". If you're saved, it's because you were predestined, if you're lost it's because of your own free will. Monergistic Salvation, Synergistic Damnation. So, thanks for taking the time and effort of explaining this in a bit more detail here. I also like that you wrote about Lutherans simply taking what's written in the Bible and going with it, not trying to invent these logical constructs or rationalizations to explain stuff away, just because our human mind can't comprehend it :D
By just theology alone within the Catholic sphere, I know that the doctrine of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (Outside the Church, there is no salvation) should ring out. But looking at your videos, I get a sense of understanding for Protestants and Orthodox Christians too. They, like the SSPX and Sedevacantist Catholics (both of whom I sympathize and even align myself to often times) are just Christians who are trying to study the Church Fathers, the Bible, and the Traditions they have maintained. In my heart of hearts, I know that we all seek unity once again, but unity can only come through dialogue. And this very concise description of the different church groups' views on Faith and Eternal Salvation is one of the many steps we can take to become whole and united again, just as it was written in the Epistle of St. Paul to the Ephesians 4:5, that we will one day be united in "One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism". For without the Christian Church, we lose Christ. We lose Christ, we lose our salvation. +Ave Christus Rex+ (All Hail Christ the King) God bless!
Hey brother, this is an excellent video and super informative! I wanted to make one note though, I am currently in ministry in a Pentecostal Denomination and I can confirm our view on salvation is not what is portrayed in this video, rather it aligns perfectly with the Baptist view as described in this video. We believe Spiritual gifts are something we should desire as believers but not necessary for Salvation. Keep up the great content my man!!
Thank you for saying they are All Christians! The Church is One in the sense that All the baptised form the One Mystical Body of Christ. When we pray for Christian Unity, we pray for the peoples of the Churches who are divided. Unity will come as promised by Jesus in His Message of "True Life in God".
I don't believe catholics generally are Christians because of heresys such as purgatory, the distinction between venial and mortal sin, the necessity of penance etc. To believe the entirety of catholic teaching is incompatible with biblical Christianity
Except he said oneness pentecostals are heretical and not Christian. Weird to callout one denemonanation for being "heretical" when obviously all these denominations are heretical when in comparison to each other. for example once saved always saved is a big one
It's funny, because men in their own wisdom will think themselves smarter than God. God truly revealed His Oneness in ALL of the Bible and dwelt FULLY in Jesus. Jesus is God. (Colossians 2:9). They proclaim Truth to be wrong and will team up with each other to deny Oneness, forgetting ALL they quarreled about.
@@dakotabowman13 great scripture to point out. Certainly seems that way to me brother. It is weird to me that the wholeee Bible is all about oneness & unity in all things (God included) yet the God it’s all about would be 3? God help us all
Speaking as an evangelical, I'll say that there's a bit more of a divide when it comes to the "once saved always saved" thing, since me, my family and others don't believe in it.
Agreed. I came to Christ under a Free Will Baptist pastor, and while I'm not nominally Free Will Baptist, I still believe that apostasy is a real thing. Why someone would reject salvation after having experienced God's grace is beyond my comprehension, but I know there are those who have done it.
@@VTdarkangel I know quite a few from my church that walked away from the faith and went astray, but fortunately found their way back to it. And tbh sometimes it works out for the better, because then their testimonies can help bring others (back) to the faith as well.
@@VTdarkangel You can't turn away from God's grace. This is what is known as the "doctrine of effectual Calling" at least in the reformed/Calvinist view. So we would be inclined to say that they were never truly saved. (Also we/I completely deny the Arminian view of Free will when it comes to soteriology) Not saying this is what you should believe, just that this is most likely the most direct opposing view The Perseverance of the Saints, the elect will endure to the end even if faced with death.
@@Altusfonz Free Will Baptists are Arminian Baptists. They were once known as General Baptists. They (and I) do believe that there is some degree of libertarian free will in that we can choose to reject God's grace. He calls us to faith and reconciliation to Him through His grace, but we have a choice to accept it or reject it. This is different from Calvinist soteriology.
@@Altusfonz " we would be inclined to say that they were never truly saved" That's how I've come to understand it as well. When someone turns their back on the church, they were probably the people being described in 1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." Where the problem seems to occur is as fallible humans, we're really good at deceiving ourselves and also being deceived. So we see a person who has gone to church for 20 years, sings all the songs, leads Bible studies, goes on the mission trips, tithes regularly, etc.... doing all the "outward" stuff we expect Christians to do, so we think, "Joe is a Christian." But Joe is really just going through the motions and is amp'd up on the hype and excitement that can be found in some churches. He might even be a pastor or a worship leader and feeds off the energy and excitement. But he's only putting on a show for himself and everyone else. This again would be what the Bible describes: "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ - Matthew 7:21-23. Faith in God is both personal and corporate. I say that to avoid the error some people make of thinking they can NEVER go to church and still be a Christian, which is ignoring God's instructions in the Book of Hebrews and many of Paul's letters where he describes how the church is one body with many parts, all of which work together. But at the same time, going to church and doing all the "Christian stuff" isn't what makes you a Christian, and THAT is the personal part where, truly, I think only the person himself or herself can know. It really does come down to: "Do I trust in God's mercy and forgiveness, and do I believe what he says about how that changes my relationship to Him?" If yes, then I'm truly a Christian.
Happy Reformation Week! Reformation is the day that we Lutherans celebrate, among other things, that we don't have to do anything to go to heaven. You don't need to worry about if you had enough faith when you accepted God, or if you've done enough to get out of Purgatory, or if you are part of the elect. Edit: Just to clarify, I don't mean to start inter-denominational debates with this comment, but rather to remind other Lutherans of the grace we received.
Great summary! ❤ Miss the apostolic/new apostolic faith of many millions of Christians. 1. water baptism. 2. sealing/spirit, baptism by a living apostle 3. Holy Communion and fellowship with Jesus in divine services and forgiveness of sins 4. as a Christian in a daily endeavour to become more like Jesus. 5. Jesus' return and first resurrection for all those who belong to his bride ❤
As a former baptist now catholic I need to recognize the love you manifest by being so honest. You just exposed the catholic view clearly without debating, not because you agree but simply because that is not the point of this video. That really encourages me.
Slight correction: Holiness theology differs from Methodism in that they say that the second work of grace, entire sanctification, is instantaneous. That is, instead of working your whole life to reach it, you can become perfect instantly. Also, Pentecostals believe that speaking in tongues, the third work of grace, is also the third chronologically. They believe that all the works of grace are instantaneous, and they are New Birth (becoming a Christian), entire sanctification, and speaking in tongues in that order, unlike the video that switched the 2nd and 3rd works of grace.
I was told in my pentecostal church that speaking in tongues is a gift one can receive. Not everyone can speak in tongues, some have a gift for other things such as messages in dreams, ministry, prayer, and a whole list more.
When I became a Christian at around 20, I fell in with some Presbyterians who were very Calvinist. I had been an atheist and pretty wild delinquent, which led to deep despair. But the Calvinist message, which I only very briefly held before hearing other alternatives from Christians in my family, somehow sent me into an even deeper despair. I was literally told God controls the demons and planned ahead the Holocaust and every rape. Eventually I became Catholic, which I've mostly been for the past two decades and am happy with. But I still bristle whenever I heard the hardcore double-predestination talk from Calvinists. I know there was a time when St Augustine's similar views on reprobation before consideration of demerits was common, but the Jansenist Catholics were, thankfully declared heretics after Council of Trent for their views that were similar to Augustine/Calvin on this. All that to say, I really can't seen how this is an attractive or even workable worldview that people can walk around with and sleep at night with.... thinking that God creates billions of conscious beings for the sole purpose of torturing. It gives me an image of a kid torturing ants with a magnifying glass. God forgive me if I'm wrong and just can't see why, but of all the ideas Christian or non-Christian, I think Calvinism seems like the most evil. Islam is a pretty identical fatalist belief, I guess. Thankfully, it's clearly morally contradictory (the proposition that God is good yet plans all evil and suffering, including that of a Massa Damnata), unless you have a totally nominalist/voluntarist who believes "good" is just whatever God says/does. Considering what you said about babies having souls in the womb, that makes it even worse, since only like 15% of conceived embryos survive implantation and pregnancy to even be born and get saved. Unless 100% of those embryos are elect and saved through special means, the picture just keeps getting darker. Overall great video though. I think you have a good analytic mind. But I do think the systematic theology can make some lose the forest for the trees on what a good God full of mercy and love actually would be like.
I'm not a Calvinsist, so not defending that per se, but your personal 'feelings' or visceral response to a teaching, thought or belief don't determine it's veracity.
@@porcine83 Sure, that's why I also said it's morally contradictory. If someone says, "Bob is a great guy, but he likes to kidnap hitchhikers and torture them in his basement," that would create a negative emotion in me, sure, but it would also be a clear contradiction based on any reasonable conception of the good, so I wouldn't believe that. As I said, it's possible for those who hold a nominalist/voluntarist position to say that "good" is just whatever God says it is, so he can make what we view as evil actually good. But I reject that position, and not just for emotional reasons. I also talked about my personal journey, which is a usually what happens first, we try on different lenses to make sense of reality, and ones that make the world make sense, we continue to wear. The world made no sense with Calvinist lenses, so I took them off. I am pursuing truth, and I would follow my most honest attempt at identifying it, even if it made me an atheist (which it did for a bit) or a rastafarian. What else can I judge on but my reason and conscience (which God gives us to identify the true and the good)? Catholic makes the most sense to me, so I've been in the Church for 20 years. But if it ceased to for some reason, I would leave. That would take a lot, but I'm not here for blind faith.
I find the Calvinistic belief in predestination to have a few issues. First I want to talk about what it gets right and how its close to what I believe might be true. We have to use a bit of an analogy so bear with me. We know that God created the heavens and the earth and the universe in its entirety. That makes him the creator of a creative work. This isn't unlike an author of a book. And its a book analogy I will make since it is the most simplest to envision. When writing a book, an author has a general idea on what they want the story to be about and what the main characters will be doing and everything else kinda falls into place. Every story has a conflict within in. If you've read the Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter, or even some of the classics such as Moby Dick or what not. You know that an author can choose to have bad things happen to good people. The author is free from any sin by doing so. Thus God is righteous in the decisions he makes for his creation. I point this out because when making this analogy, people tend to ask the question of why God allows bad things to happen to good people. Using the analogy, its because he wants to write an interesting story. Its an oversimplification. But not exactly. We can write stories because we have God's likeness. Its where all of our creative talents and drive comes from. Now many people think most stories and novels are written from beginning to end. Well anyone who's written a book or knows someone who has, will understand this isn't exactly how it goes. Books like movies can be constructed out of order. Books sometimes are written in outline first. Sometimes an author will co-write a book (as did the Trinity in creation), or sometimes they will do various other things with the characters to have various results. In this he gave the characters free will, the characters being us. This is where predestination gets a little wonky. The stage (the world, the heavens, and the universe as a whole) is set. Its true that it was created for us to live on. It functions in the way that is basically pre-ordained to an extent. However where predestination gets it wrong is that our free will is not something that God has set for us, but rather gifted to us. There's various passages in scripture that gives us the explanation that free will is a thing, that choices do matter, and that they don't have an effect until those choices are made (or by a choice of inaction). Where predestination gets confused is the fact that God does know what is in everyone's heart and what decision they will make the moment they exist and quite frankly you could argue (and I do believe) that he knows even before we exist. To explain that has to explain something about the universe itself. Time, space, matter, and energy are creations, they are part of the created thing we call the universe. God exists, but he is not a creation. God exists outside of creation. This is a little hard to wrap one's head around. But the idea of doing this, and then that happens, is a creation, it doesn't apply to God in the same way. This is why he knows of everything and everyone before it exists. The difference is he allows their will to act freely to make that determination. You can look at it in the way that your choices matter before you are even born. If this is confusing, don't feel bad. There is a reason I pretty much have to use analogies to explain it. Analogy is pretty much the only way to explain non-created subjects using created terms. Thankfully we are made in the Image and Likeness of God and it makes that possible. There is a predestination to a point, but its one's choices in their whole lives that cause the events in their past, present, and future. Now... I'm not saying that the nasty evil that happens to people is the result of their own choices. If you get ravished by a hurricane or earthquake, get assaulted by another person, or have some other misfortune, is NOT necessarily the result of your choices. This is evidenced by the fact that nasty things do happen to good people. Its just that sin and evil has the ability to have consequences outside themselves. Its what makes them so horrendous at times.
The Bible is pretty clear - some people are created to be destroyed. I won't pretend it makes sense to our human minds, but it's what the Bible plainly says. The clay doesn't question the potter...
I recently heard a teaching about Universalism. It was very interesting. I would love to know where this sits in the spectrum of Christian churches. The teaching was basically that grace saves alone and that grace goes to ALL. Has anyone ever heard of this? 🤔
4:15-4:29 Methodists also basically believe this exact thing. They believe that salvation itself cannot be "lost" once received, but a person can "fall away" from it through a life of sin and a lack of striving for Christian perfection. Which means they could potentially forfeit their salvation by not actively pursuing a holy life.
What he said about Orthodox views on heaven and hell essentially being the same place is kinda true, and also there's the idea that the "hellfire" people talk about is actually the Energies of God that those who reject God will despise, and the same bright light is what shines brightly through the Saints. Just a quick note but it is true the Orthodox view of the afterlife is quite different.
Because Orthodox still has a Greek philosophical worldview in Christian garb. From Heraclitus saying all the spiritual essence was fire, to the conflagarations, to Neoplatonic mystical ascent through tollhouses, the cosmic mystery of the Logos... Orthodoxy adopts the most of Greek thought. And this is why I think it's more true, unlike many Christians who think otherwise.
Mortal sin kills faith, but that means you have faith without charity i.e. “dead faith.” So mortal sin really removes charity. Faith with charity is the the “living faith” which saves.
hey question, does "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" not mean "FOR the remission of sins?" like literally? doesn't it mean the same as "take two aspirin FOR your headache" or I'm getting baptized for/because my remission of sins? are y'all saying since i physically am not baptized i won't go to heaven?
12:57 This is a common belief, but as is a pattern in Orthodoxy, is not an established dogma. It also isn't a dogma that it is *not* true. It is a possibility, and we wont know until we get there, or we might not know, we'll only know when we get there, or we might not...
As someone who follows the Wesleyan Molinist belief system I hold the view that salvation stems from Gods grace that empowers all individuals to decide whether to accept or reject faith, in Jesus universally. An integral part of this belief is Gods foreknowledge about each persons choices based on His knowledge and how He directs His providence accordingly. Human free will and divine grace work together in concert to provide salvation to everyone without certainty until they actively choose to embrace it. The journey of justification through faith brings about a transformation, in believers. Initiates the process of sanctification guided by the Holy Spirit. Embarking on a path of salvation involves a dedication and an ongoing venture, through life where believers strive for holiness with the guidance of God while honoring human free will.
Some "big word" context on salvation for those who find it helpful: Justification: One *is saved* from the penalty of sin [declared not guilty] Sanctification: One *is being saved* from the power of sin [being continuously conformed to the likeness of Christ] Glorification: One *will be saved* from the presence of sin [living eternally in the presence of God where sin does not exist] These are sometimes referred to as the tenses of salvation.
The Baptist view makes more sense to me as it is not a religion, but rather a relationship with Christ, and with the Calvinist view of Presbyterian beliefs, saying that people are predestined to be saved and some aren’t, which is not written or mentioned anywhere in the bible. I am blessed to be a born again Christian who believes in Baptist values
@@PatrickSteilCatholics and Baptists do not have even remotely the same view on salvation. First of all, the VAST majority of Baptists are OSAS (Once saved, always saved), and I know of virtually no Catholics who are.
@@Ssethtzeentach_enjoyer I just meant on the one point of it being a relationship and not a transaction. :) Definitely agree that Catholicism does not ever teach once saved always saved. There are no relationships that work that way :)
As someone who grew up ECLA, then became Southern Baptist as teenager, who is now a Calvinist/Baptist, I can say I rather enjoyed this quite thoroughly. The Lutheran, Baptist, and Calvinists parts were right on. Cannot speak for other denominations, but as someone who has studied and is working on his masters in ministry in seminary right now, I can say the others sound true to what I have learned thus far. Great job.
Yeah, me too! I think, Latter-day Saints believe in the free choice and age of accountability, like Baptists, but we also believe that you can lose salvation if you don't strive for perfection (like Methodists). We also focus on the covenant (like Lutherans). If we compare the LDS baptism and our temple Endowment to Methodists, they sound like LDS counterparts of the First and Second Works of Grace. Like Orthodox Christians, we believe in theosis, which we call 'exaltation'. It looks like our view is a consensus between all the other views.
1:39 I am a baptist and that’s basically a perfect description of the Baptist belief of salvation however one thing I would say is not totally right or maybe just misleading it says someone is an enemy of God before being born again that is true but only once they’ve reached the age of accountability and denied Christ but besides that great description oh, and also we do believe people can walk away from the church and live in sin and come to repentance however it’s probably not a good sign if you do if you worship for 10 years and then walk away for 2 and come back, we will believe you were saved, but if you say you were saved, and then never start living for Christ in the first place we will say you probably weren’t
I'm favoured only God knows how much I praise Him, $230k every 4weeks! I now have a big mansion and can now afford anything and also support God’s work and the church.😊
Only God knows how much grateful i am. After so much struggles I now own a new house and my family is happy once again everything is finally falling into place!!
I remember giving her my first saved up $20000 and she opened a brokerage account with it for me, it turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to me.
Through all the details of soteriology and debates on how much our salvation is a choice, it seems like all denominations do agree that end of the day being saved is being with Christ and working with the Spirit so that we may be with the Father. God bless my friends, I hope to know all of you in Heaven and the New Earth.
Ephesians 2:8-9 NIV 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
As a 15th century merchant i can tell you all ya gotta do is give the local bishop a few sheckles of gold and maybe a bit of silver and you're practically a saint. 👌
I would read C.S. Lewis’ “Mere Christianity,” the Bible, especially the gospels, and “The Case for Christ” to become familiar with historical arguments. In terms of picking what type of Christianity to practice, I would read the Church Fathers and the Scholastics and come to your own conclusion rather than watching debates which are often heavy on rhetoric and light on substance.
Mark, John, Romans. That will give you the basics. Focus on the Gospels and the New Testament to start. Find a Church you like and SUBMIT yourself there. Be open to correction, remembering that fathers correct their sons out of love but punish and cast out unproductive servants. There is no test you cannot pass, only lessons that need to be learned. Putting feathers in your jacket and hanging out in a hen house doesn't make you a chicken, "getting into" the bible and going to church doesn't make you a Christian. God is Fractal and infinite, a little piece contains the whole, but a repeating pattern can be separated from his wholeness and deified on its own, be careful. You want the Whole Deal. Go All In.
Day 23 of asking Redeemed Zoomer to livestream himself listening to the 2006 album Go by the Newsboys because it's good contemporary Christian music (can't stop wont stop 🎉)
Denomination makes no difference. Belief in Jesus Christ, and acceptance of Him as your Lord and Savior is the ONLY way to heaven. Period. It is written.
Nice summary video, zoomer. Quick correction- baptists are historically confessionally reformed (not in the same way as my Presbyterian brothers). This includes views in soteriology, covenantal theology, regulative principles, etc. I highly recommend reading the early confessions such as the first and second London Baptist confession of faith. Each are similar to the Westminster confession than some realize. The Arminian/dispensational Baptist archetype is really a 20th century development largely. Suggest reading about Baptists historical theology. Blessings!!
Very true! I posted above how the reformed baptist view is more similar to the reformed view than the freewill baptist one he described here due to its language of sign and thing signified and covenant membership. It just doesn't want to seperate the sign and thing signified, like the view of communion as well. If one can separate sign and signified by giving them to infants why deny them communion?
Hey, Zoomer. How's it going? I'm a presbyterian who is thinking a lot about the possibility of becoming catholic after studying a little about the church fathers and the church history. Could you make a video for protestants who are considering becoming catholic or orthodox? God bless everyone!!!
I was an Evangelical that became a Byzantine Catholic in 2004. Reading the Early Church Fathers is also what lead me home. He's a couple of my favorite: St. Cyprian, bishop of Carthage “The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven . . . ’ [Matt. 16:18-19]. On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. . . . If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he should desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?” (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251] “There is one God and one Christ, and one Church, and one chair founded on Peter by the word of the Lord. It is not possible to set up another altar or for there to be another priesthood besides that one altar and that one priesthood. Whoever has gathered elsewhere is scattering” (Letters 43[40]:5 [A.D. 253] St. Optatus, bishop of Milevus “You cannot deny that you are aware that in the city of Rome the episcopal chair was given first to Peter; the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head-that is why he is also called Cephas [‘Rock’]-of all the apostles; the one chair in which unity is maintained by all” (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 [A.D. 367] St. Jerome “I follow no leader but Christ and join in communion with none but your blessedness [Pope Damasus I], that is, with the chair of Peter. I know that this is the rock on which the Church has been built. Whoever eats the Lamb outside this house is profane. Anyone who is not in the ark of Noah will perish when the flood prevails” (Letters 15:2 [A.D. 396] St. Augustine, bishop of Hippo “There are many other things which most properly can keep me in her [the Catholic Church’s] bosom. The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here. Her authority, inaugurated in miracles, nourished by hope, augmented by love, and confirmed by her age, keeps me here. The succession of priests, from the very see of the apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15-17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here. And last, the very name Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called ‘Catholic,’ when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house” (Against the Letter of Mani Called “The Foundation” 4:5 [A.D. 397] Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon “Wherefore the most holy and blessed (Pope)Leo, archbishop of the great and elder Rome, through us, and through this present most holy synod, together with the thrice blessed and all-glorious Peter the apostle, who is the rock and foundation of the Catholic Church, and the foundation of the orthodox faith, has stripped him [Dioscorus] of the episcopate” (Acts of the Council, session 3 [A.D. 451]
Any particular road blocks that bother you? I converted a couple years ago and have been obsessed with apologetics. I was raised methodist but i studied a couple calvinist churches and theologies for about a decade.
I really enjoy your videos. I grew up in the Wesleyan denomination, and currently go to a Wesleyan church and I’ve never heard about the idea of “perfection on this side of existence” before. Idk if that’s more of the traditional view or if it’s just not talked about but I’m definitely going to look into this more.
As someone going through OCIA to become Catholic, I appreciate how you’re always charitable and fairly represent the Catholic position. Many other Protestants are not so kind.
All protesting denominations have this truly earthly understanding of time and try fit their "individual" systems into their understanding of time. Interesting to notice how the Orthodox leave so much room for G-d to move.
@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty i see you Have been watching the Ortlund videos? I'm not too versed on the subject (I'm not orthodox). There have been a lot of replies to Ortlund aswell. Anyway, wouldn't say it's an amazing rebuttle to the idea that Orthodox leaves a lot more for working out your faith.
Catholic here, I think you're pretty much spot on with our beliefs. The only way I would say it better myself is if I said that we're saved by grace and faith is the effect of that Grace, so when you say the faith can die in you, we would say the grace dies in you, the sanctifying Grace. Two kinds of Grace, sanctifying Grace, which is that indwelling of the Holy Spirit and actual Grace which doesn't mean actual as in like " actually" but as in pertaining to Acts, as in a special act of Grace given you to help you respond to God's invitation. Invitation. It can also be sort of things like profound moments of communion with God when you feel God's finger on your heart. Various saints have referred to this as spiritual candies or spiritual kisses, basically as moments of Grace to strengthen the faithful and convert the wicked.
@@ChristIsMyLordnSaviorno it wouldn’t have. Christianity is far more nuanced than that. People make big mistakes in not understanding what they believe. Also believing is different then having faith, also the relationships and functions of grace, regeneration, sanctification, justification, mystical union, atonement, and reconciliation. As well as the rolls that the persons of the trinity have in this process.
Video request: Could you please do a video on the Tetragrammaton? (Is it a name or title? What does it mean? Should we say it? Is it relevant to salvation at all? How do the denominations differ on this issue? etc.) I've been trying to understand its significance and meaning and have found many different conflicting answers.
Within Free Grace baptism, there is theology to allow for a believer being a “carnal Christian” where they do NOT hear “well done”, but they are also NOT condemned to eternal punishment.
In my Pentecostal tradition there are 3 steps: 1) A public and sincere declaration of your faith that Jesus Christ is Lord, and a sincere acceptance . 2) Baptism by water - this results in sanctification. 3) Baptism of the Spirit - this results in the Anointing. Only step 1 is an absolute necessity for salvation.
As a Pentecostal pastor who has been to a Pentecostal Bible college, your explanation of Pentecostalism is totally unrecognizable to me. I have no idea where you got this conception of Pentecostalism from.
As far as salvation goes, Pentecostals believe in justification by faith alone (that’s one work of grace). We inherit our idea of sanctification from Wesley and the Methodists and generally agree with the idea of “perfect love” which says that we can be totally free from willful sin in this life (though not other sins). Some wrap up this concept of sanctification in the first work of grace, but others separate it out into a second work of grace. Whether it’s one grace or two, both justification and sanctification are by faith alone and have literally zero to do with trying harder (or “methoding” harder), but it’s a gift from God that’s experiential in nature. This is our idea of sanctification, and the process for the rest of our lives is growing deeper in our sanctification. As far as salvation, that’s all there is to it. The differentiator between Pentecostalism and other denominations (particularly the Methodists) is a second/third work of grace (depending on how many works of grace you have in the salvation piece) that specifically pertains to power for service. This “Pentecostal work of grace” is also experiential in nature, but it has literally nothing to do with salvation/sanctification. Some are saved and sanctified without this Pentecostal grace, and some carry the Pentecostal grace without having salvation (e.g. Matthew 7:21-23). This work of grace doesn’t save you or sanctify you literally at all. It gives you spiritual power as a tool to preach the gospel and do Christian service (Acts 1:8). This is why lots of big ministries/pastors can have massive impact without personally being morally clean. This is also why you see Pentecostalism growing faster than every other denomination/movement ever since our inception even though we’ve had low theological depth, respectability, and sometimes craziness 😂 You might think that’s absurd, and your online experience of Pentecostalism might make you cringe if you’re used to more mainline Christianity, but if you’re comparing our unhealthy Christians to your unhealthy Christians, you guys end up committing heresy and incorporating LGBT stuff, whereas our unhealthy people stay far away from that and we tend to get sensational as our expressions of unhealth, and that’s why I think Pentecostalism is the strongest denomination out there. We’re the fastest growing, we’re the most conservative there is, and we’re the only ones known to reverse the trend of liberalism in denominations. I personally think if RZ incorporated Pentecostalism into the reconquista, he would have far more potency to his movement than he has right now 😊
@MarkStein-b5b Step 1: Justification by faith alone. Step 2: Sanctification by faith alone (defined by John Wesley as “perfect love”, not Christian perfection). Step 3: Empowerment for Gospel proclamation by faith alone (nothing to do with salvation/sanctification at all). Some Pentecostals (like me) mix together step one and step two, others don’t. Step three can technically happen at any time (before, after, or in between steps one and two), but this is not recommended (Matthew 7:21-23).
I appreciate that you added that Lutherans do affirm the elect will ultimately still persevere whilst also still adding that you affirm you can fall from a state of grace. I can explain further the Lutheran understanding as posited by St. Augustine against the Pelagians.
Regarding the "complicated" reformed view - is it not simpler to just take John the Baptists word - "I baptize you with water, but he who comes after me will baptize you with fire and the Holy Spirit" - this view places the act and power of saving baptism in the hands of the Holy Spirit who uses fire and not in the works of man who use water. After all, i'm sure we can all agree if the Holy Spirit isnt involved then you are just taking a bath and we are saved by grace through faith, not works and that includes the water works of man we call baptism.
Keep making the "Understanding [Insert Denomination] series. As a Catholic, it is so interesting to learn more about other denominations, and I appreciate how unbiased you are!
Speaking facts
Hoping to see a video about Anglicans eventually!
Agreed brother
@@tonywang7601agreed
Glad you find it interesting! I've also become interested with all the denominations of Christianity, because well it is interesting and there's always something new to learn haha, God bless! 😂❤
0:53 Baptist
2:47 Lutheran
4:36 Reformed
6:57 Catholic
8:34 Methodist/Wesleyan
10:09 Pentecostal
11:44 Orthodox
13:34 Progressive
😂 what about the Anglican view?!😂. No explanation needed
They are not in the majority 😅
Pls pin this!!! Praise the Lord
Yeah, where are my Anglobros at?
Why are there Progressives but not Latter Day Saints?
In Orthodoxy, the idea that Heaven and Hell are the same place is controversial and not shared by all, or even most, Orthodox Christians.
I'm Orthodox, and I've seen this view both espoused as dogma and disparaged as heresy by various Orthodox Christians in discussion forums. Three Orthodox, four opinions!
I thought that this idea was derived from the Divine Comedy, not Orthodox tradition hmmm
I normally here Heaven and Hell being the same place only at the moment of judgement and afterwards there are two kingdoms
He did a terrible job describing it. The early church believed Hell was actually Gods love in the form of fire. That no matter what you did, God still loves you and to some like Hitler, it is painful to know you can still be forgiven given the millions of people you killed. Also, Orthodox does not believe in some of the first statements. Salvation isnt a heaven or hell thing either, its a delivered, healed, saved from the powr and effects of sin. In all 100 times salvation is used... There is no mention of the afterlife in the term. Also, your faith doesnt save your from sin, but Jesus faith in you in which you had no part of. WHILE YOU WERE A SINNER, God brought you into his son. Most of this stuff will sound absolutely blasphemous to the western Christianity but to those who are hungry to hear more the actual Good news, look up John Crowder on TH-cam. Let the heretic comments roll out now 😢(I feel sorry for the american church)
@@chrispassion1822 As a Christian from the west, none of what you’re saying sounds at all heretical to me.
As a Catholic, I appreciate what you said about works. The parable of the talents is a good example, it’s not the amount of works that saves us, but what we do with the gift of faith/ grace that God has given us.
The saying is true, that faith produces good works but good works do not obtain or maintain salvation ❤️✝️
Canon 32. "If anyone says that the good works of the one justified are in such manner the gifts of God that they are not also the good merits of him justified; or that the one justified by the good works that he performs by the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ (of whom one is a living member), the justified does not truly merit an increase of grace, and eternal life, provided that one dies in the state of grace, the attainment of this eternal life, as well as an increase in glory, let him be anathema."
@@GogglesOstrich that basic sentence is almost meaningless
Here's the support for my statement:
Ephesians 2:8-10 ESV
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [9] not a result of works, so that no one may boast. [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Romans 6:1-2 ESV
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? [2] By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?
@@GogglesOstrich “You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And similarly, was not Rahab the prostitute also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by another way? For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.”
James 2:24-26
"They weren't methoding hard enough" is now probably my favourite RZ meme 😂
HE SAID IT!! HE SAID THE THING!!!
I use this line all the time when I explain Methodism.
(Although I only explained it like one time lol :/ )
there was a methodist who once said "it's methoding time" and the methodized all over the place
@@cunjoz Dang you beat me to it🤣🤣🤣
As a Methodist that got me hahaha now I'm gonna have that in mind
I am Hindu but I want to convert my religion from Hindu to Christianity. I don't understanding that "why my faith is increasing in Christian religion"? Christianity is the excellent and true religion. I accept the paramountcy of our God Lord Jesus Christ, Holy Mother Mary, Holy Bible and of Holy Church. I accept that " Lord Jesus Christ is our God, our Guide, our King, our Lord and Savior. Glory be to Lord Jesus Christ. Amen 🛐✝️☦️
If you ever need help in your faith journey, there are many resources on TH-cam, but the Word (Bible) will always be number one!
That’s awesome bro one of my good friends grew up in India and was kinda Hindu, but more so didn’t care and was atheist. A Christian kept nagging him and showing him love for over 10 years any he finally gave the Bible a try and God changed his life. Now he tries to share the message with everyone he can! What’s your story?
Also I’m sure there’s a church somewhere near where you live, but Bible says, if you confess that Jesus is Lord and believe He’s raised from the dead you’ll be saved! (Romans 10:9). If you do that, you can have new life right now. Definitely find a church though and get baptized as soon as possible cause it’s the sign that you’ve become a believer, and the church does help you to have other people you can learn more and relate with!
Glory to God! ☦
In orthodoxy, salvation is only the first step. The ultimate goal is to restore yourself to the likeness of God.
Wasn't that what we all wants?
But you cant, you never can. Thats why God brought you into union with himself. Orthodoxy is about our union with God not on my behalf but his. You didnt give birth to yourself. My words, actions, nothing I do changes the reality of Christ in me. Here come the heretic comments... 😢😢
What nonsense. If you speak evil and do evil then that definitely changes the reality of Christ in you. @@chrispassion1822
I JUST MET AN ORTHODOX PRIEST FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE. JUST YESTERDAY. JUST IMAGINE!
@@prins_af_danmark Well at least you got off lightly for most of your life. Hopefully you can put yesterday behind you, and walk towards something more profitable to your soul, specifically the Son of God.
I just got baptized today, ironic.
congrats. What church are you in
Congratulations! It is a coincidence and not irony.
What church 🔫
Congratulations! I'm getting baptized myself this upcoming All Saints' Sunday. I'm Episcopalian btw 🎉
Amen!
Pentecostal here, and I’ve met many beautiful brothers and sisters under almost every denomination! A lot of them give excellent points, and I’ll listen to any sermon from any denomination, it just goes to show how our infinite Father can fill His children with devotion and conviction through His Spirit. Christ is King, and may His fruit provide for you in abundance and prosperity in Jesus mighty name. Amen.
sidenote: "don't murder babies"
😢😅😂😭
amen!
1 Samuel 15 : 2 - 3
Technically speaking it's much more like execution than murder, as it's legal, systematic, delivered by the authorities, and the person being killed is not being viewed as a victim.
@@Johnnyvtgit’s the unjustified killing of an innocent, so it classifies as murder. I guess you could say it’s both.
@@ÍtaloResiåYou shouldn't pull verses out of context. Read Exodus 17:8-14, Numbers 14:41-45, Judges 3:12-14; 6:3, and 6:33-35. The Amalekites had made an enemy of God. They also had a history of child sacrifice(Deuteronomy 12:31) to false gods. This was divine justice and retribution, not genocide as some think. God is all-loving but He is also all-just and will wipe out those who make enemies of Him and will protect His people. The wages of Sin is death(Romans 6:23) after all.
@@HistoryNerd808 Even the infants, kids and babies inside pregnant women did all that agains't God?
I am VERY happy that you made clear that progressive “Christianity” is NOT Christianity. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
And yet, it is very much a religion. When you strip away the cloak and deception, it's just satanism at it's core. Do As Thou Wilt (and without any hint of shame) is the whole of their law, just as it is with satanism, but it's modified. Because Satanism might tell you to do as you wish, but it doesn't explain how an entire society can do as they wish, without impacting each other. Satanism was designed for a small group of individuals in the closet. Progressive Satanism (because that's what it really is) is here to tell you who gets to do as they wish, and who does not, so that it can be consistent on a societal scale.
Generally, every deviation from the natural order belongs to those who get to do as they wilt, and every adherence to the natural order belongs to those who don't get to do as they wilt. It's 2024 satanism in a nutshell.
How salvation works according to the bible. Romans 10:9 says, "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved".
"Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you."
@@kuhatsuifujimoto9621 Read the rest of the verse!
1 Peter 3:21 (emphasis added)
“Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-NOT THE REMOVAL OF DIRT from the flesh, but an APPEAL TO GOD for a good conscience-through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,”
Peter is not saying that a physical water baptism is necessary for salvation. He’s saying that water is not part of salvation, but the heart’s intention of an appeal to God is. A spiritual baptism is what saves us, not being immersed in water.
A physical water baptism is symbolic of your salvation, but it is not strictly necessary.
That's it! "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and ye shall be saved" is the only way to heaven in this age of grace. God made it simple, we make it complicated.
Who is Paul speaking to in Romans?
He is speaking to the church.
Those who already obeyed Acts 2:38.
The Bible says over and over again that baptism is required to be saved.
Baptism in the NAME of JESUS Christ is required to wash away sins.
It is the only way to have the blood applied to you.
Then you only need to confess your sins, and the blood is reapplied to you.
Dude…. We can all insert scripture that counters/ adds to this. Faith without works is dead. Ect ect….
I confess in Jesus. But live opposite him….
I have to say that the Orthodox view of salvation was a bit inaccurately described. In the Orthodox Church we have no "legal" understanding of sin and hell as is the case, for example, in the Catholic Church (no "purgatory" or "indulgence"). It should be added to theosis that we believe that in the end we only be saved by God's grace. I also have to say that it sounded very biased and didn't go into enough details, such as the meaning of the sacraments.
You guys have indulgences
@@bobsagget9212 What?
@@bobsagget9212 what
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As a catholic, quick correction. Sin(mortal) does not kill faith (dogmatic faith), but charity.
It would kill "formed faith", that is faith working through love.
Would've been helpful if he explained what mortal sin means, so people aren't misinformed.
@Coteincdr
Thanks so much for clarifying this important distinction with a difference!
Why don’t you keep going, “ it results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace , that is the state of grace.”(catechism of the Catholic Church par 1861). So when you commit mortal sin you lose your salvation, then have to gain it back through the second plank of penance. It’s a whole work based system that brings no peace. That’s why there was the reformation.
Repentance is the work of grace. God has to move you to repentance, it's not something you can achieve by yourself.
@@Coteincdrok. Just be honest though and admit that mortal sin ends justifying grace. That’s why it is called mortal! And then admit you gain back your salvation through the sacrament of penance but then you are still under temporal punishment and that if you die in a state of mortal sin then you go to hell. That’s why purgatory exists. Because without purgatory, it’s pretty much an impossible sell to be a Romanist
Baptist here. Thank you for yet another excellent breakdown video, Redeemed Zoomer. God bless✝️
Absolutely nailed the Catholic view. Wonderful job at explaining what we believe. Respect! 💯
But you guys love to bully us (Protestants) mentioning bad examples. Do the things that you want others to do for you!
@@randnew1 Not quite... Mortal sin does not kill faith. It kills the life of Grace. Faith (itself a free gift from God) remains to assist the individual to come to repentance and thus reignite that life of Grace.
Also with the sacrament of confession - the forgiveness of sin is not dependent on completing the penance given. The penance is only there to assist the healing of the temporal damage done by the sin
Almost. Faith isn’t an organism, but our RELATIONSHIP with the Triune God.
Rubbish !
@@Robert-r4s4cCare to expand?
“Lutherans are not like most Baptists”
Truer words never spoken
yeah lol: "most cats are not very dog-like"
Although... Plenty ARE baptist-like. I've met them. That's the natural consequence of being "Lutheran" by birth and not by choice.
@TimC1517 ---> True that. Baptists actually read their Bibles. Lutherans listen to the Pastor once a week read sections of the Bible from the lectern. They trust in an "infant baptism" (which they do not remember, nor did they ask for) to take away the Augustinian myth of "Birth Sin". They live just like the worldlings do 6 days a week.
{[ I know whereof I speak: I married into a W.E.L.S. family. Ugh! Spiritually Deadsville. Thankfully my 3 kids all asked to be baptized in my Baptist Church in the mid to later teen years. My son is now a Baptist Pastor. Both daughters are married to Baptist Deacons and they read their Bibles during the week at home.]}
@@gusloader123 This is a very uncharitable thing to say and rather nasty. I grew up in an LCMS church and I am still a Lutheran, but I attended Baptist churches for years and met some of the most amazing Christians there. I agree one of the best things about Baptists is their focus on the Word. But, sorry as I am to hear your experience with Lutherans was bad, that has never been my experience with any Lutheran church as I have attended.
@@TimC1517 --- They are trusting in "infant baptism" to save them and agreeing with the catechism. There is never a mention of being 'Born again" or getting saved from sin, repenting and believing in Jesus Christ all week long, not just 1 and 1/2 hours on a Sunday.
This is surreal. I did my first sermon today on the topic of soteriology and then you upload this.
Freaky
how did he do
How is that freaky? There’s billions of people in the world that constantly study and think about this topic
@roberttrevino62800 It's not freaky that A video was uploaded about soteriology, but rather that ZOOMERs video today was on soteriology.
10:31 stop! That's the gifts of the spirit. The fruits are: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control
Sin will not enter heaven.
The Bible says, Sin is only washed away when you are baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ.
The Bible says, There is only one way to be saved.
Obey what is required to be saved before it is to late.
Only those who obey Acts 2:38 will be saved.
The Bible says, You must repent of your sins.
The Bible says, You must be baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ to wash away your sins.
Not the titles father, son, HolyGhost.
The Bible says that,
JESUS is the father
JESUS is the son
JESUS is the HolyGhost
The Bible says, Then you need to receive the HolyGhost.
The only evidence of receiving the HolyGhost is to speak in another tongue.
Joel 2, and Acts 2, GOD said that He would pour out His spirit on all flesh.
Not just the Jews.
JESUS said you must be born AGAIN, of the water and the spirit to be saved.
AGAIN.
Born of water AGAIN
Water = baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ
Spirit = receiving the HolyGhost
Sin will Not enter heaven, and only baptism in the NAME of JESUS Christ washes away sins.
Then JESUS said that upon Peter, He would build His church.
Acts 2 the Jews received the HolyGhost and were baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ.
Acts 2:38, Peter commanded everyone to Repent, get baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ, and receive the HolyGhost to be saved.
Acts 8:14-17, the Samaritans received the HolyGhost speaking in tongues, just like the Jews, and were baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ, just like the Jews.
Acts 10:43-48, the Gentiles received the HolyGhost, speaking in another tongue, just like the Jews, and were baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ just like the Jews.
Acts 19:1-6, more received the HolyGhost, speaking in tongues, and were baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ.
Acts 22:16, the only way to have your sins washed away is Baptism in the NAME of JESUS Christ.
You don't pray for tongues.
Tongues automatically happens when you receive the HolyGhost.
JESUS Name baptism is required to be saved.
The HolyGhost is required to be saved.
For more than 34 years, every single person who has received the HolyGhost in our church, all spoke in tongues.
Including someone this morning.
The hundreds of churches, and thousands of people that we fellowship across the United States, and see at conferences, all speak in tongues.
Everyone who received the HolyGhost at the Ashbury college, all spoke in tongues.
The hundreds of missionaries that we have around the world, report on the thousands receiving the HolyGhost every month, all speaking in tongues.
Last year Ethiopia was having a massive revival, and almost 1 million Ethiopians have received the HolyGhost, all of them speaking in tongues.
Isaiah prophesied that with stammering lips and another tongue, shall he speak to His people.
Everyone who receives the HolyGhost, always speaks in tongues, just like it did 2000 years ago.
I’ve watched your channel for a while now and I love that when you explain the different denominations you don’t have a biased opinion. You always make sure to explain what is true and what isn’t true (in that denomination). Thank you for explaining everything great and being unbiased!
"A lot of times heresy comes when we try to simplify a complicated thing." Well said.
I think it's the opposite, a lot of times heresy comes when we try to overcomplicate the simplicity of the Gospel.
2 corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
@@somemedic8482 Church history has witnessed both. But it's definitely dependent upon the type of heresy. If it's a soteriological heresy, than the tendency may be to overcomplicate the Gospel. If it's a trinitarian heresy, the tendency is often to oversimplify who God is as revealed throughout OT and NT.
Redeemzed Zoomer even mentions Oneness Pentecostals at 11:30 who believe that Trinity is overly complicated, emphasize that the word "Trinity" itself is not even found in scripture, and that the doctrine is the tradition of men. They deny the Trinity in exchange for modalism, claiming Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are merely three personal manifestations of one being, one personal God.
The same could be said about overcomplicating something simple
by faith alone, in Christ alone. SO SIMPLE, but we get it SO wrong because we want to feel good that we are doing enough to get heaven. All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags!!!
A radically non-speculative approach to dogmatics is so important.
as an Orthodox would like to quote Saint Isaac the Syrian: "Those tormented in Gehenna are struck by the scourge of love, says Saint Isaac. And how bitter and cruel is this torment of love! For those who have felt that they have sinned against love suffer a torment that is stronger than any other terrible torment; the sorrow that strikes the heart for the sin against love is more painful than any possible punishment. It is inappropriate for a person to think that sinners in Gehenna are deprived of God's love. Love... is given to everyone in general. But love by its power acts in two ways: it torments sinners, as here it happens that a friend suffers from a friend, and it gladdens those who have fulfilled their duty (to God). And so, in my opinion, such is the torment of Gehenna - it is repentance"
Like Hitler realizing he is forgiven from killed millions of jews... The eternal lake of fire is Gods love. To some, like hitler, it is hell. We humans call for judgement, justice, punishment. But Jesus called for turning the cheek, loving your enemy, and forgiving. His love will always be offensive to the religious.
John 3:20
πᾶς γὰρ ὁ φαῦλα πράσσων μισεῖ τὸ φῶς
(For everyone practicing wickedness hates the light)
@@chrispassion1822 How can forgiveness be hell for the forgiven ones? And what about God being the ultimate judge condemning those on whom God's wrath remains, according to John 3,36? God told us to not judge recklessly but that doesn't mean that he doesn't judge himself, just as he can tell us not to murder others but then command to kill people as he is the only one with a totally righteous judgement.
@@commentor93 the final judgement hasn't taken place yet so for now everyone is in the presence of God until it happens
But the bible tells us that those in hell curse the name of God blaming him for their predicament. So that would normally mean that they don't think they were wrong. So how would God's love be torture if they don't acknowledge their wrong doing?
Plus, even in the gospels it tells the story of the rich man that goes to hell/hades and there is an impassible gulf between him and Lazarus who went to paradise. So how can you say they are in the same place?
Hell, will be an actual place, but the real torment of it will be the Absence of God in that place. For that is what the unbelievers chose.
Whereas heaven, for the 1000 years at least, will be on a transformed earth with Christ as King having brought down the new Jerusalem.
I just got baptized in an Anglican church yesterday. I like the timing of this video.
Thank you for your contributions to fostering unity within the body of Christ brother Richard! Understanding each others differences for certain can help us understand the core beliefs of the faith that unify us!
Blessings in Christ!
Redeemed Zoomer portrays Eastern Christian denominations (like Christian Orthodox) as having a less complex theology and being more mystical when the theology is just different. Not just this video, but in his channel. More broadly, there is a habit of Westerners percieving Eastern beliefs (whether Eastern Europe, the Middle East, India, or East Asia) as less rational. In reality, Eastern concepts are just different and Eastern reasoning tends to be more lateral and holistic and less linear and reductionist.
It was a primer of Christian denominations, not everything else that is non-Christian.
Eastern Orthodox believers will specifically state that they dislike the excessive rationalism of the west, they not only embrace mysticism but theologically ground their beliefs due to the holy spirit not preceding from the son in the same way he does the father.
I thought i was tweaking
It really is less rational and developed and they don't have a problem with that.
What do you mean by excessive rationalism?
Was just confirmed into the Lutheran church today. All thanks and glory be to God!
That's a shame. Choose the wrong one. Well, eternal damnation for you.
I'm sorry to hear that.... you've got a lot of unlearning to do.....
@@cpnurseriesplease don’t hurt your brother like that. He is praising God, why try to make him stumble? Just for your satisfaction?
@@Dogloki I'm not making him stumble - I am just pointing out that STRAIGHT is the gate, NARROW is the Way and few there be that find it. Praising God is fine, but it won't achieve much if it's false. Cain praised God by giving fruit and veges - God rejected him. He also clearly said, "If Cain does right, will he not be accepted?" Clearly then, correct doctrine is key to salvation, and you won't get a scrap of correct doctrine in the Lutheran church, or in fact in most churches - because they're all trinitarian. They make Jesus God, and in doing so they remove the mediator BETWEEN God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus. Spending your life learning Lutheranism is no different to spending your life learning Catholicism....or any other 'ism'.... all are 'another way', and Jesus called all who try to come by another way "thieves and robbers." So instead of finding fault with what I have said, why not preach the same Gospel that Jesus preached? He didn't mention Luther.
@@cpnurseries ahh so you’re a heretic.
Oriental Orthodox here. Orthodoxy is purely the fullness of our faith as founded by the Apostles. And I do have assurance of my salvation so far as I continue in the faith, in which the Lord’s mercies will endure and sustain me forever. Thus, we don’t work for salvation but because of our ongoing salvific process. Remember fellow believers, faith is more than just intellectual-it’s experiential. Attend a Divine Liturgy and you will experience Christ as more than just words on a page. Amen.
I'm Armenian but don't know too much about the topic. Dislike the legalistic definitions of what was said in most of this video. Where can I find more information about the oriental, and more specifically, the Armenian point of view?
@@ApostolicStorm Read GOD'S *pure words* in the Bible and you'll never need.
Cachetisms, vatican I or II, all fallen men trying to redefine GOD'S word. The great harlot's end has been prophecied - in the bible.
Come out from her!
That's a low view of Scripture
@@CaptainFlamingo19
Hello beloved. I foremost recommend attending the Liturgy of an Armenian Apostolic Church if you are near one. The Armenian Church is in communion with all of the other Oriental Orthodox Churches: Coptic (Egyptian), Ethiopian, Syriac, Syrian, and Eritrean Churches. We all hold to three Ecumenical Councils: Nicaea (325 AD), Constantinople (381 AD), and Ephesus (431 AD). Specifically, the Armenian Church adheres to Seven Sacraments: Baptism; Chrismation; Eucharist; Confession; Marriage; Holy Orders; and Anointing of the Sick. Also, the Armenians use leavened rather than unleavened bread, and do not mix water with wine upon consecrating and offering the Holy Eucharist. God be with you on your journey of faith, and may the Armenian Church become your home. Amen.
@@John-jh5ks
The Apostolic Church is not the “harlot” of Scripture, but one thing is for sure that Protestantism derailed the Church from its Apostolic foundation.
The Catholic perspective is mostly accurate, but it needs some clarification:
We believe we are saved by grace, through faith that works through love (Galatians 5:6) - a faith that is living and active, rather than a faith that just acknowledges belief. The Church teaches that we are not justified by faith alone, as a passive, once-and-done event. But our faith must bear fruit, and our cooperation with grace, seen through our works, keeps us in communion with God (James 2:24).
We don’t believe faith can be “killed” by mortal sin. Instead, mortal sin severs our relationship with God by an act of the will, rejecting grace. When we sin mortally, the virtue of charity, the "soul" of faith, is lost, which is why confession and penance are needed to restore that communion.
As for purgatory, it is not about “extra sanctification” in the sense that it’s something that gets added. Purgatory is the final purification of the soul from any remaining attachment to sin, making us ready to enter the fullness of God’s presence in heaven. This is not a second chance for salvation, it's the final step for those who die in grace but are not yet perfectly purified.
And lastly, while the Church does teach that God ordinarily dispenses grace through the sacraments, we believe the Church is the sole custodian of the fullness of truth and grace. So, just because God can work outside of visible structures of the Church in ways known to Him alone, this doesn't mean salvation is ordinarily accessible outside the Church.
what is the scripture to support purgatory?
@@arnkriegbaum Jesus' words in Luke 12:41-48 is a great example. Also if you look at the Old Testament, there is a overwhelming recurring theme - God requires purification before one can enter his presence. Of course if one's belief simply rests on "accepting Jesus into your heart/Jesus did everything so I can do nothing" then all of this sounds like nonsense.
Thank you! He didn’t even mention grace when he talked about salvation in Catholicism and that didn’t sound right to me
@@pianoatthirty Seems like v.46 says that he will have his portion with the unbelievers. That doesn't sound like purgatory
The first paragraph is actually very close to what Luther taught. He said that we are saved by faith alone, BUT we are not saved by a faith which is alone, that is, a faith which does not work through love. The works do not save us, but they are a necessary accompaniment to saving faith. Here is a quote from his preface to the book of Romans: "O it is a living, busy, active, mighty thing, this faith. It is impossible for it not to be doing good works incessantly. It does not ask whether good works are to be done, but before the question is asked, it has already done them, and is constantly doing them. Whoever does not do such works, however, is an unbeliever. He gropes and looks around for faith and good works, but knows neither what faith is nor what good works are. Yet he talks and talks, with many words, about faith and good works."
This was so fun and enlightening! thank you for your work to outline this. If you are looking for another topic, it will be magnificent if you could consider this one.
"What to do as a Christian after your saved in each denomination"
I.e. outline what denominations strive to live for, or to action, as they have now "been saved."
Blessings from New Zealand
It’s really hard to pin down Baptist views on anything due to the very nature and definition of Baptists. That being said, you did a good job of not over generalizing and explaining the standard views while recognizing there is nuance and distinction within our camp.
I would consider myself Baptist just because I mostly agree with their points, that said I didn’t agree with everything that other baptists believe in as showcases in the video.
There is a lot of variance. But there are Baptist distinctives that define the Baptist movement Bible- sole authority of Faith & Practice (big one) Regenerated Church membership (another divider) Autonomy of the local church (it's not a denomination 😀) Priesthood of the believer (nothing between me & God). Soul Liberty (I answer to Jesus, not ecclesiatical authority) Immersion & Lord's supper (only 2 ordinances, NOT sacraments) Separation of church & state (our contribution to Western civilization!)
Funny enough, His Explanation is basically my Baptist Church Salvation
Btw, if a catholic believes he is saved by works, he is to be considered a he...c and thus excommunicated. Salvation by works is condemned by trent.
No Catholic believes that, only demonized protestants think we do.
The council says that if anyone says that after reception of grace that eternal judgement is so blotted out…let him be anathema. This is saying that belief in the work of Christ and the grace given by Him for sinners isn’t enough to grant salvation
@@danielwarton5343Session 6 CANON I.-If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.
@@danielwarton5343 Salvation isn't a one time decision, you can fall from it.
Galatians 5:1-5
@@RomaCatholica it’s saying that it cannot be achieved by man’s works alone in the passage you quoted. The section I quoted states that grace alone isn’t enough to save someone. Would you agree?
As a Baptist I'd say "If you stopped believing, you never truly believed" is creating the wrong impression. It implies that it's possible somebody wouldn't know if they have true belief. I know right now that I truly believe and as such I know with 100% certainty that I am saved
Plenty of Christians who fell away from the faith thought they had a saving faith
@@peterfox7663 Nope. 0
@@peterfox7663What people say they believe and what they actually believe are often 2 different things.
“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.”
1 John 2:19
I fall into a category of mixture of Baptist, Reformed, trinitarian, Calvinist, with a small amount of Protestant. I’ve noticed that I don’t agree 100% with any classification. As a gentile, I know there’s Pauline theology in me as well. What I’ve learned is most important is Jesus Christ is our God. He rules over everything. My Calvinism tells me that God is so incredible that he does know everything. Even with the freewill he gave us, he knows the outcome. Therefore it is Written in the book of life. You will not surprise God in any way! He already knows! But maybe God is hoping that one of us might prove him wrong, even though he knows you won’t. One more thing that makes Jesus Christ our God. Elohim; God with us! But otherwise I don’t think it’s worth arguing over. It just shows that you’re usually arguing against something that you don’t agree with. There’s always at least one thing off about all theologies. Unless you can prove your point using a KJV Bible, you’re not worth arguing. Every other Bible translation has a slightly different God. I see how starting with a KJV, then switching to an NAS has affected my beliefs. I’ve had to work those issues out with Gods Word. I had to conform to Gods Will! The only reliable Christian translation is the KJV Bible! Otherwise you may end up with some bad traits that are not from Jesus!
🎃You should make a video about if Christians should celebrate Halloween!🎃
I know I keep saying this but I really think It would make an interesting video.(especially since it's almost the 31st)
It's a Christian liberty issue. Ask your pastor
_“One person judges one day to be more important than another day. Someone else judges every day to be the same. Let each one be fully convinced in his own mind.”_
Romans 14:5
Baptists and Orthodox? No.
Everyone else? Yes.
I think as long as you're not praising/ worshiping hell or demons it's a fine. Having kids dressed up in Spider-Man costumes asking for candy is not a bad/ evil thing. Just my opinion
@@redeemedzoomer6053it’s literally All Saints Day Eve
I still remember the conversation I had at age 6 with my Dad. We were discussing whether or not I believed in Jesus. I said I did, and then got baptized a little later in-front of my classmates during our school's chapel service. They were all so happy for me :) I also remember who baptized me. Thanks, Jim!
While I’m more Baptist leaning I’ve started going to a Presbyterian church for the similarities between the two, the history, and the high church setting. Also your videos, ancient paths videos, and truth units videos have been my biggest influences lately when it comes to historic Christianity and my decision to go to a Presbyterian Church today. Still on the fence about infant baptism but I do plan on going back next Sunday. Keep up the hard work Redeemed 🙏
presbyterian is high church? (genuine question)
paedobaptism is a doctrine that ive been back and forth on for maybe five years also. im in a baptist church where a lot of the elders and congregation are reformed and trained in theology so whenever i hear wilson or r. scott clark on the subject i always ask someone from my church for a response. maybe i will die being on the fence still 🤣
Hey RZ, just going to add that in Pentecostalism the dogma of needing to speak in tongues is different. Maybe its the influence of other denominations but there is a growing group that agree that Tongues is a gift but not necessarily everyone needs to speak it.
that is how my church believes, tongues and other spiritual abilities are not a requirement, and we believe the spirit is working through you for the benefit of either someone specific, or the entire congregation. my church may be different because it's a southern church of god. so loud sermons and people feeling the spirit and speaking in tongues, dancing, jumping, laughing, shouting, and even doing things they're physically incapable of doing bc the spirit is working through them. we personally don't believe that 3rd work of grace, we believe we all fall short of the glory of god, and we never actually stop sinning because we are imperfect humans. this is just what my church believes, personally. not saying anybody has to be this way.
@@ahhgeez I'm leery of the people who are jumping around, shouting, etc. Seems to go against Paul's instruction that everything should be done in an orderly way in 1 Corinthians 14. I've also seen where people get so desperate to be included as one of the insiders among a group, they will hype themselves up into thinking the Holy Spirit is speaking through them, when if fact they're just drunk on the feeling of raw emotions. Large group "revivals" are notorious for whipping people into a frenzy, then when they go home the dopamine and adrenaline fade out and they realize life is still as boring and drudgery like it was before, so they keep on trying to seek the next spiritual high.
I've also yet to see a confirmed "healing" session where something verifiably medically wrong with someone is checked afterward and found to be truly healed in the moment. Shysters like Benny Hinn are well known for their so-called "faith healing" for profit. I live near James River Church where a pastor claimed that a woman had some toes regrown at one of their services, but there was no documentation of her condition before the service, and once they were called out to provide some evidence, they hushed it up to "protect the woman from scrutiny"... even though THEY were the ones who first went the to media to discuss it. Makes Christians look like lunatics when people do this kind of silly stuff.
I'm not sure I understand how speaking gibberish is a gift. Would you mind explaining?
@@cheekibreeki904 1Co 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
@@Xdmfan02 that's one way to make people be nice to the mentally unwell, I suppose...
I want to compliment you on the lutheran segment. Usually, when you talked about Lutheranism in the past, it was always a bit simplified, where what you said is technically correct, but the details are important to understanding it completely. "Baptism saves" can be misunderstood, if it's not explained what we mean by it :D Namely, that baptism is a means of grace through which god creates faith in us. And that it's not specifically the water of baptism, or the human work of baptism that saves. And that, of course, other means of grace can create faith too. Or that we believe in "single predestination" can also be misunderstood, when it's not also explained that we also agree with Arminian in the fact, that if a human is lost, it's because he resisted it, it's his own fault, and god isn't just "passing them over". If you're saved, it's because you were predestined, if you're lost it's because of your own free will. Monergistic Salvation, Synergistic Damnation.
So, thanks for taking the time and effort of explaining this in a bit more detail here. I also like that you wrote about Lutherans simply taking what's written in the Bible and going with it, not trying to invent these logical constructs or rationalizations to explain stuff away, just because our human mind can't comprehend it :D
By just theology alone within the Catholic sphere, I know that the doctrine of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (Outside the Church, there is no salvation) should ring out. But looking at your videos, I get a sense of understanding for Protestants and Orthodox Christians too. They, like the SSPX and Sedevacantist Catholics (both of whom I sympathize and even align myself to often times) are just Christians who are trying to study the Church Fathers, the Bible, and the Traditions they have maintained. In my heart of hearts, I know that we all seek unity once again, but unity can only come through dialogue. And this very concise description of the different church groups' views on Faith and Eternal Salvation is one of the many steps we can take to become whole and united again, just as it was written in the Epistle of St. Paul to the Ephesians 4:5, that we will one day be united in "One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism". For without the Christian Church, we lose Christ. We lose Christ, we lose our salvation.
+Ave Christus Rex+ (All Hail Christ the King)
God bless!
Good breakdown. Really helps clarify where other Christians and heretics are coming from. Thanks for making this!
Hey brother, this is an excellent video and super informative! I wanted to make one note though, I am currently in ministry in a Pentecostal Denomination and I can confirm our view on salvation is not what is portrayed in this video, rather it aligns perfectly with the Baptist view as described in this video. We believe Spiritual gifts are something we should desire as believers but not necessary for Salvation. Keep up the great content my man!!
Thank you for saying they are All Christians! The Church is One in the sense that All the baptised form the One Mystical Body of Christ. When we pray for Christian Unity, we pray for the peoples of the Churches who are divided. Unity will come as promised by Jesus in His Message of "True Life in God".
I don't believe catholics generally are Christians because of heresys such as purgatory, the distinction between venial and mortal sin, the necessity of penance etc. To believe the entirety of catholic teaching is incompatible with biblical Christianity
Except he said oneness pentecostals are heretical and not Christian. Weird to callout one denemonanation for being "heretical" when obviously all these denominations are heretical when in comparison to each other. for example once saved always saved is a big one
It's funny, because men in their own wisdom will think themselves smarter than God. God truly revealed His Oneness in ALL of the Bible and dwelt FULLY in Jesus. Jesus is God. (Colossians 2:9). They proclaim Truth to be wrong and will team up with each other to deny Oneness, forgetting ALL they quarreled about.
@@dakotabowman13 great scripture to point out. Certainly seems that way to me brother. It is weird to me that the wholeee Bible is all about oneness & unity in all things (God included) yet the God it’s all about would be 3? God help us all
But why did he mention progressives and not Mormons or Anglicans/Episcopalians?
Speaking as an evangelical, I'll say that there's a bit more of a divide when it comes to the "once saved always saved" thing, since me, my family and others don't believe in it.
Agreed. I came to Christ under a Free Will Baptist pastor, and while I'm not nominally Free Will Baptist, I still believe that apostasy is a real thing. Why someone would reject salvation after having experienced God's grace is beyond my comprehension, but I know there are those who have done it.
@@VTdarkangel I know quite a few from my church that walked away from the faith and went astray, but fortunately found their way back to it. And tbh sometimes it works out for the better, because then their testimonies can help bring others (back) to the faith as well.
@@VTdarkangel You can't turn away from God's grace. This is what is known as the "doctrine of effectual Calling" at least in the reformed/Calvinist view. So we would be inclined to say that they were never truly saved.
(Also we/I completely deny the Arminian view of Free will when it comes to soteriology)
Not saying this is what you should believe, just that this is most likely the most direct opposing view
The Perseverance of the Saints, the elect will endure to the end even if faced with death.
@@Altusfonz Free Will Baptists are Arminian Baptists. They were once known as General Baptists. They (and I) do believe that there is some degree of libertarian free will in that we can choose to reject God's grace. He calls us to faith and reconciliation to Him through His grace, but we have a choice to accept it or reject it. This is different from Calvinist soteriology.
@@Altusfonz " we would be inclined to say that they were never truly saved"
That's how I've come to understand it as well. When someone turns their back on the church, they were probably the people being described in 1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us."
Where the problem seems to occur is as fallible humans, we're really good at deceiving ourselves and also being deceived. So we see a person who has gone to church for 20 years, sings all the songs, leads Bible studies, goes on the mission trips, tithes regularly, etc.... doing all the "outward" stuff we expect Christians to do, so we think, "Joe is a Christian." But Joe is really just going through the motions and is amp'd up on the hype and excitement that can be found in some churches. He might even be a pastor or a worship leader and feeds off the energy and excitement. But he's only putting on a show for himself and everyone else. This again would be what the Bible describes: "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ - Matthew 7:21-23.
Faith in God is both personal and corporate. I say that to avoid the error some people make of thinking they can NEVER go to church and still be a Christian, which is ignoring God's instructions in the Book of Hebrews and many of Paul's letters where he describes how the church is one body with many parts, all of which work together. But at the same time, going to church and doing all the "Christian stuff" isn't what makes you a Christian, and THAT is the personal part where, truly, I think only the person himself or herself can know. It really does come down to: "Do I trust in God's mercy and forgiveness, and do I believe what he says about how that changes my relationship to Him?" If yes, then I'm truly a Christian.
Happy Reformation Week!
Reformation is the day that we Lutherans celebrate, among other things, that we don't have to do anything to go to heaven. You don't need to worry about if you had enough faith when you accepted God, or if you've done enough to get out of Purgatory, or if you are part of the elect.
Edit: Just to clarify, I don't mean to start inter-denominational debates with this comment, but rather to remind other Lutherans of the grace we received.
Thank you for this video, it has helped me to understand the differences between the numerous strains of Christian faith.
Great summary! ❤ Miss the apostolic/new apostolic faith of many millions of Christians.
1. water baptism.
2. sealing/spirit, baptism by a living apostle
3. Holy Communion and fellowship with Jesus in divine services and forgiveness of sins
4. as a Christian in a daily endeavour to become more like Jesus.
5. Jesus' return and first resurrection for all those who belong to his bride
❤
As a former baptist now catholic I need to recognize the love you manifest by being so honest. You just exposed the catholic view clearly without debating, not because you agree but simply because that is not the point of this video. That really encourages me.
what made you become catholic?
Slight correction: Holiness theology differs from Methodism in that they say that the second work of grace, entire sanctification, is instantaneous. That is, instead of working your whole life to reach it, you can become perfect instantly. Also, Pentecostals believe that speaking in tongues, the third work of grace, is also the third chronologically. They believe that all the works of grace are instantaneous, and they are New Birth (becoming a Christian), entire sanctification, and speaking in tongues in that order, unlike the video that switched the 2nd and 3rd works of grace.
I think the Assemblies of God have only two works of grace-conversion and Baptism in the Holy Spirit evidenced by speaking in tongues.
I was told in my pentecostal church that speaking in tongues is a gift one can receive. Not everyone can speak in tongues, some have a gift for other things such as messages in dreams, ministry, prayer, and a whole list more.
When I became a Christian at around 20, I fell in with some Presbyterians who were very Calvinist. I had been an atheist and pretty wild delinquent, which led to deep despair. But the Calvinist message, which I only very briefly held before hearing other alternatives from Christians in my family, somehow sent me into an even deeper despair. I was literally told God controls the demons and planned ahead the Holocaust and every rape. Eventually I became Catholic, which I've mostly been for the past two decades and am happy with. But I still bristle whenever I heard the hardcore double-predestination talk from Calvinists. I know there was a time when St Augustine's similar views on reprobation before consideration of demerits was common, but the Jansenist Catholics were, thankfully declared heretics after Council of Trent for their views that were similar to Augustine/Calvin on this.
All that to say, I really can't seen how this is an attractive or even workable worldview that people can walk around with and sleep at night with.... thinking that God creates billions of conscious beings for the sole purpose of torturing. It gives me an image of a kid torturing ants with a magnifying glass. God forgive me if I'm wrong and just can't see why, but of all the ideas Christian or non-Christian, I think Calvinism seems like the most evil. Islam is a pretty identical fatalist belief, I guess. Thankfully, it's clearly morally contradictory (the proposition that God is good yet plans all evil and suffering, including that of a Massa Damnata), unless you have a totally nominalist/voluntarist who believes "good" is just whatever God says/does. Considering what you said about babies having souls in the womb, that makes it even worse, since only like 15% of conceived embryos survive implantation and pregnancy to even be born and get saved. Unless 100% of those embryos are elect and saved through special means, the picture just keeps getting darker. Overall great video though. I think you have a good analytic mind. But I do think the systematic theology can make some lose the forest for the trees on what a good God full of mercy and love actually would be like.
I'm not a Calvinsist, so not defending that per se, but your personal 'feelings' or visceral response to a teaching, thought or belief don't determine it's veracity.
@@porcine83 Sure, that's why I also said it's morally contradictory. If someone says, "Bob is a great guy, but he likes to kidnap hitchhikers and torture them in his basement," that would create a negative emotion in me, sure, but it would also be a clear contradiction based on any reasonable conception of the good, so I wouldn't believe that. As I said, it's possible for those who hold a nominalist/voluntarist position to say that "good" is just whatever God says it is, so he can make what we view as evil actually good. But I reject that position, and not just for emotional reasons. I also talked about my personal journey, which is a usually what happens first, we try on different lenses to make sense of reality, and ones that make the world make sense, we continue to wear. The world made no sense with Calvinist lenses, so I took them off. I am pursuing truth, and I would follow my most honest attempt at identifying it, even if it made me an atheist (which it did for a bit) or a rastafarian. What else can I judge on but my reason and conscience (which God gives us to identify the true and the good)? Catholic makes the most sense to me, so I've been in the Church for 20 years. But if it ceased to for some reason, I would leave. That would take a lot, but I'm not here for blind faith.
Thank you for saying what I wanted to say.
I find the Calvinistic belief in predestination to have a few issues. First I want to talk about what it gets right and how its close to what I believe might be true. We have to use a bit of an analogy so bear with me. We know that God created the heavens and the earth and the universe in its entirety. That makes him the creator of a creative work. This isn't unlike an author of a book. And its a book analogy I will make since it is the most simplest to envision.
When writing a book, an author has a general idea on what they want the story to be about and what the main characters will be doing and everything else kinda falls into place. Every story has a conflict within in. If you've read the Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter, or even some of the classics such as Moby Dick or what not. You know that an author can choose to have bad things happen to good people. The author is free from any sin by doing so. Thus God is righteous in the decisions he makes for his creation. I point this out because when making this analogy, people tend to ask the question of why God allows bad things to happen to good people. Using the analogy, its because he wants to write an interesting story. Its an oversimplification. But not exactly. We can write stories because we have God's likeness. Its where all of our creative talents and drive comes from.
Now many people think most stories and novels are written from beginning to end. Well anyone who's written a book or knows someone who has, will understand this isn't exactly how it goes. Books like movies can be constructed out of order. Books sometimes are written in outline first. Sometimes an author will co-write a book (as did the Trinity in creation), or sometimes they will do various other things with the characters to have various results. In this he gave the characters free will, the characters being us.
This is where predestination gets a little wonky. The stage (the world, the heavens, and the universe as a whole) is set. Its true that it was created for us to live on. It functions in the way that is basically pre-ordained to an extent. However where predestination gets it wrong is that our free will is not something that God has set for us, but rather gifted to us. There's various passages in scripture that gives us the explanation that free will is a thing, that choices do matter, and that they don't have an effect until those choices are made (or by a choice of inaction).
Where predestination gets confused is the fact that God does know what is in everyone's heart and what decision they will make the moment they exist and quite frankly you could argue (and I do believe) that he knows even before we exist. To explain that has to explain something about the universe itself. Time, space, matter, and energy are creations, they are part of the created thing we call the universe. God exists, but he is not a creation. God exists outside of creation. This is a little hard to wrap one's head around. But the idea of doing this, and then that happens, is a creation, it doesn't apply to God in the same way. This is why he knows of everything and everyone before it exists. The difference is he allows their will to act freely to make that determination. You can look at it in the way that your choices matter before you are even born. If this is confusing, don't feel bad. There is a reason I pretty much have to use analogies to explain it. Analogy is pretty much the only way to explain non-created subjects using created terms. Thankfully we are made in the Image and Likeness of God and it makes that possible.
There is a predestination to a point, but its one's choices in their whole lives that cause the events in their past, present, and future. Now... I'm not saying that the nasty evil that happens to people is the result of their own choices. If you get ravished by a hurricane or earthquake, get assaulted by another person, or have some other misfortune, is NOT necessarily the result of your choices. This is evidenced by the fact that nasty things do happen to good people. Its just that sin and evil has the ability to have consequences outside themselves. Its what makes them so horrendous at times.
The Bible is pretty clear - some people are created to be destroyed. I won't pretend it makes sense to our human minds, but it's what the Bible plainly says. The clay doesn't question the potter...
This one video was clearer & more concise than my church history class in grad school.
I recently heard a teaching about Universalism. It was very interesting. I would love to know where this sits in the spectrum of Christian churches. The teaching was basically that grace saves alone and that grace goes to ALL. Has anyone ever heard of this? 🤔
4:15-4:29 Methodists also basically believe this exact thing. They believe that salvation itself cannot be "lost" once received, but a person can "fall away" from it through a life of sin and a lack of striving for Christian perfection. Which means they could potentially forfeit their salvation by not actively pursuing a holy life.
What he said about Orthodox views on heaven and hell essentially being the same place is kinda true, and also there's the idea that the "hellfire" people talk about is actually the Energies of God that those who reject God will despise, and the same bright light is what shines brightly through the Saints. Just a quick note but it is true the Orthodox view of the afterlife is quite different.
Because Orthodox still has a Greek philosophical worldview in Christian garb. From Heraclitus saying all the spiritual essence was fire, to the conflagarations, to Neoplatonic mystical ascent through tollhouses, the cosmic mystery of the Logos... Orthodoxy adopts the most of Greek thought. And this is why I think it's more true, unlike many Christians who think otherwise.
I read a quote that made day awhile ago... "Christianity didn't come to abolish Hellenism, but to fulfill it."
You are wrong, he is wrong. You are not orthodox
@@Yxulescu explain?
@@Yxulescu Surprise surprise, another Christian gatekeeping what true Orthodoxy/Christianity is... lol
Mortal sin kills faith, but that means you have faith without charity i.e. “dead faith.” So mortal sin really removes charity. Faith with charity is the the “living faith” which saves.
I'm catholic and Purgatory means: you are not clean enough to go to Heaven, but not dirty enough to go to Hell
What I appreciate most about this video? You point to Jesus at the beginning and the end of it. Thank you!
Theosis in Latin theology is called divinization/deification so Catholics have it too
Theosis required EED, so they are not the same
True not the same
I mean, per Zoomer's own words, Calvinists have it too.
I mean, he said everybody has Theosis, just that for Orthodox that’s the primary way of talking about salvation.
Acts 2: 37-40
Happy Reformation Sunday everyone.
happy reformation sunday!
Acts 2:38, the only way to be saved.
hey question, does "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" not mean "FOR the remission of sins?" like literally? doesn't it mean the same as "take two aspirin FOR your headache" or I'm getting baptized for/because my remission of sins? are y'all saying since i physically am not baptized i won't go to heaven?
12:57 This is a common belief, but as is a pattern in Orthodoxy, is not an established dogma. It also isn't a dogma that it is *not* true. It is a possibility, and we wont know until we get there, or we might not know, we'll only know when we get there, or we might not...
No, is not
As someone who follows the Wesleyan Molinist belief system I hold the view that salvation stems from Gods grace that empowers all individuals to decide whether to accept or reject faith, in Jesus universally. An integral part of this belief is Gods foreknowledge about each persons choices based on His knowledge and how He directs His providence accordingly. Human free will and divine grace work together in concert to provide salvation to everyone without certainty until they actively choose to embrace it. The journey of justification through faith brings about a transformation, in believers. Initiates the process of sanctification guided by the Holy Spirit. Embarking on a path of salvation involves a dedication and an ongoing venture, through life where believers strive for holiness with the guidance of God while honoring human free will.
Some "big word" context on salvation for those who find it helpful:
Justification: One *is saved* from the penalty of sin [declared not guilty]
Sanctification: One *is being saved* from the power of sin [being continuously conformed to the likeness of Christ]
Glorification: One *will be saved* from the presence of sin [living eternally in the presence of God where sin does not exist]
These are sometimes referred to as the tenses of salvation.
timestamps!! (if anyone needs them)
Baptist 0:53
Lutheran 2:49
Reformed 4:37
Catholic 6:58
Methodist 8:34
Pentecostal 10:10
Orthodox 11:44
Progressive 13:42
(pls let me know if i got something wrong :D )
The Baptist view makes more sense to me as it is not a religion, but rather a relationship with Christ, and with the Calvinist view of Presbyterian beliefs, saying that people are predestined to be saved and some aren’t, which is not written or mentioned anywhere in the bible. I am blessed to be a born again Christian who believes in Baptist values
Catholics have the same view. Our Salvation is synonymous with our relationship with the Lord. In every way.
@@PatrickSteilCatholics and Baptists do not have even remotely the same view on salvation. First of all, the VAST majority of Baptists are OSAS (Once saved, always saved), and I know of virtually no Catholics who are.
@@Ssethtzeentach_enjoyer I just meant on the one point of it being a relationship and not a transaction. :)
Definitely agree that Catholicism does not ever teach once saved always saved. There are no relationships that work that way :)
@@PatrickSteil "there are no relationships that work that way" - I guess marriage and families don't exist.
Enjoy Hell, big guy.
@@PatrickSteil "There are no relationships that work that way" - I guess marriages and families aren't a thing.
Enjoy Hell, pal.
0:00 0:01 Hey Redeemed Zommer, I am Orthosaur
Okay. 👍
Great video. Thanks for all the hard work gathering all this information.
As someone who grew up ECLA, then became Southern Baptist as teenager, who is now a Calvinist/Baptist, I can say I rather enjoyed this quite thoroughly. The Lutheran, Baptist, and Calvinists parts were right on. Cannot speak for other denominations, but as someone who has studied and is working on his masters in ministry in seminary right now, I can say the others sound true to what I have learned thus far. Great job.
Did you mean ELCA, a totally depraved and heretical group?
As a member of the LDS church would love to see your thoughts on us more. We get left out of a lot of your videos!
Seeing as he explicitly labeled you guys as heretics in a different video, I don't think it will happen anytime soon.
LDS is not part of Christianity, they claim to be but they're actually not
I can understand that. Mormons are heretical. I wouldn't call them Christians, even though they share many of the values of Christians.
Yeah, me too! I think, Latter-day Saints believe in the free choice and age of accountability, like Baptists, but we also believe that you can lose salvation if you don't strive for perfection (like Methodists). We also focus on the covenant (like Lutherans). If we compare the LDS baptism and our temple Endowment to Methodists, they sound like LDS counterparts of the First and Second Works of Grace. Like Orthodox Christians, we believe in theosis, which we call 'exaltation'. It looks like our view is a consensus between all the other views.
@@vitalykartavykh1003 how about believing in the Holy Trinity, by the way?
1:39 I am a baptist and that’s basically a perfect description of the Baptist belief of salvation however one thing I would say is not totally right or maybe just misleading it says someone is an enemy of God before being born again that is true but only once they’ve reached the age of accountability and denied Christ but besides that great description oh, and also we do believe people can walk away from the church and live in sin and come to repentance however it’s probably not a good sign if you do if you worship for 10 years and then walk away for 2 and come back, we will believe you were saved, but if you say you were saved, and then never start living for Christ in the first place we will say you probably weren’t
I'm favoured only God knows how much I praise Him, $230k every 4weeks! I now have a big mansion and can now afford anything and also support God’s work and the church.😊
Wow that's huge, how do you make that much monthly?
Only God knows how much grateful i am. After so much struggles I now own a new house and my family is happy once again everything is finally falling into place!!
I'm 37 and have been looking for ways to be successful, please how??
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Through all the details of soteriology and debates on how much our salvation is a choice, it seems like all denominations do agree that end of the day being saved is being with Christ and working with the Spirit so that we may be with the Father. God bless my friends, I hope to know all of you in Heaven and the New Earth.
Ephesians 2:8-9 NIV
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
As a 15th century merchant i can tell you all ya gotta do is give the local bishop a few sheckles of gold and maybe a bit of silver and you're practically a saint. 👌
I did this and my Catholic bishop said I have a free trip to heaven. Very kind man!
Too bad that one angry German monk had to mess it all up
You lying son of Lucifer.
"Dat's SIMONY Patrick!"
You should make a video of each Churches worship service
The channel "Ready to Harvest" has many videos that explain different churches, their beliefs and their services
Hello! As an athiest who is getting into Christianity where can I start
I would read C.S. Lewis’ “Mere Christianity,” the Bible, especially the gospels, and “The Case for Christ” to become familiar with historical arguments. In terms of picking what type of Christianity to practice, I would read the Church Fathers and the Scholastics and come to your own conclusion rather than watching debates which are often heavy on rhetoric and light on substance.
Find the denomination that best suits your views of life please don't go to one of those horrible "progressive" churches, though
I would start with reading the Gospels (And the entirety of the new testament).
THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION DEPENDS ON THE DENOMINATION. Different christians are gonna tell you different things
Mark, John, Romans. That will give you the basics. Focus on the Gospels and the New Testament to start. Find a Church you like and SUBMIT yourself there. Be open to correction, remembering that fathers correct their sons out of love but punish and cast out unproductive servants. There is no test you cannot pass, only lessons that need to be learned. Putting feathers in your jacket and hanging out in a hen house doesn't make you a chicken, "getting into" the bible and going to church doesn't make you a Christian. God is Fractal and infinite, a little piece contains the whole, but a repeating pattern can be separated from his wholeness and deified on its own, be careful. You want the Whole Deal. Go All In.
Well done. Your a smart guy. Wish i could grow my channel like yours!!
For a quick expression of core beliefs, this is a very good video. Well put together.
Day 23 of asking Redeemed Zoomer to livestream himself listening to the 2006 album Go by the Newsboys because it's good contemporary Christian music
(can't stop wont stop 🎉)
Sixpence was good also.
Denomination makes no difference. Belief in Jesus Christ, and acceptance of Him as your Lord and Savior is the ONLY way to heaven. Period. It is written.
Boom
Exactly.
Absolutely true. John 14:6. Not all denominations believe this, of course.
@porcine83
And there's is one mediator between God and man...❤✝️
Im just watching this to see what type of Anglican I am🤣
Same... been going to an Orthodox Church of America church for a bit over a year now and I've been digging it.
I love these videos where you discuss theology among the different denominations. Non-bias and not too wordy.
As usual good information. People ask me all the time what the differences are. I always refer them to your videos.
When talking about pentecostal soteriology, you should focus more on Arminian soteriology more than anything
Nice summary video, zoomer. Quick correction- baptists are historically confessionally reformed (not in the same way as my Presbyterian brothers). This includes views in soteriology, covenantal theology, regulative principles, etc. I highly recommend reading the early confessions such as the first and second London Baptist confession of faith. Each are similar to the Westminster confession than some realize.
The Arminian/dispensational Baptist archetype is really a 20th century development largely. Suggest reading about Baptists historical theology.
Blessings!!
Did the 17th century Baptists come from the 16th century Anabaptists?
Thanks for sharing
@@LemLures Nope! They came from Anglicans and Congregationalists.
Very true! I posted above how the reformed baptist view is more similar to the reformed view than the freewill baptist one he described here due to its language of sign and thing signified and covenant membership. It just doesn't want to seperate the sign and thing signified, like the view of communion as well. If one can separate sign and signified by giving them to infants why deny them communion?
Dispensationalist Baptists are indeed a recent development, but General Baptists predate Particular Baptists.
Hey, Zoomer. How's it going? I'm a presbyterian who is thinking a lot about the possibility of becoming catholic after studying a little about the church fathers and the church history. Could you make a video for protestants who are considering becoming catholic or orthodox? God bless everyone!!!
I was an Evangelical that became a Byzantine Catholic in 2004. Reading the Early Church Fathers is also what lead me home. He's a couple of my favorite:
St. Cyprian, bishop of Carthage
“The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven . . . ’ [Matt. 16:18-19]. On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. . . . If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he should desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?” (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251]
“There is one God and one Christ, and one Church, and one chair founded on Peter by the word of the Lord. It is not possible to set up another altar or for there to be another priesthood besides that one altar and that one priesthood. Whoever has gathered elsewhere is scattering” (Letters 43[40]:5 [A.D. 253]
St. Optatus, bishop of Milevus
“You cannot deny that you are aware that in the city of Rome the episcopal chair was given first to Peter; the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head-that is why he is also called Cephas [‘Rock’]-of all the apostles; the one chair in which unity is maintained by all” (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 [A.D. 367]
St. Jerome
“I follow no leader but Christ and join in communion with none but your blessedness [Pope Damasus I], that is, with the chair of Peter. I know that this is the rock on which the Church has been built. Whoever eats the Lamb outside this house is profane. Anyone who is not in the ark of Noah will perish when the flood prevails” (Letters 15:2 [A.D. 396]
St. Augustine, bishop of Hippo
“There are many other things which most properly can keep me in her [the Catholic Church’s] bosom. The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here. Her authority, inaugurated in miracles, nourished by hope, augmented by love, and confirmed by her age, keeps me here. The succession of priests, from the very see of the apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15-17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here. And last, the very name Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called ‘Catholic,’ when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house” (Against the Letter of Mani Called “The Foundation” 4:5 [A.D. 397]
Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon
“Wherefore the most holy and blessed (Pope)Leo, archbishop of the great and elder Rome, through us, and through this present most holy synod, together with the thrice blessed and all-glorious Peter the apostle, who is the rock and foundation of the Catholic Church, and the foundation of the orthodox faith, has stripped him [Dioscorus] of the episcopate” (Acts of the Council, session 3 [A.D. 451]
He had a discussion about that with some other people.
Watch "the failure of eastern orthodoxy" by Ancientpathstv. Watch "A desperate plea to Roman Catholics" by ancientpathstv
Welcome. We pray for discernement in the sake of Christ
Any particular road blocks that bother you? I converted a couple years ago and have been obsessed with apologetics. I was raised methodist but i studied a couple calvinist churches and theologies for about a decade.
Thank you Professor Rev. RZ!! ✝💯
I really enjoy your videos. I grew up in the Wesleyan denomination, and currently go to a Wesleyan church and I’ve never heard about the idea of “perfection on this side of existence” before. Idk if that’s more of the traditional view or if it’s just not talked about but I’m definitely going to look into this more.
So much easier watching when the ceiling fan is not hypnotising me!
As someone going through OCIA to become Catholic, I appreciate how you’re always charitable and fairly represent the Catholic position. Many other Protestants are not so kind.
All protesting denominations have this truly earthly understanding of time and try fit their "individual" systems into their understanding of time.
Interesting to notice how the Orthodox leave so much room for G-d to move.
They leave God so much room to move that they regularly anathematize the rest of Christianity.
@Thatoneguy-pu8ty just say condemn bro why you tryna flex your vocabulary on TH-cam
@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty i see you Have been watching the Ortlund videos? I'm not too versed on the subject (I'm not orthodox). There have been a lot of replies to Ortlund aswell.
Anyway, wouldn't say it's an amazing rebuttle to the idea that Orthodox leaves a lot more for working out your faith.
@AHealthySnack bro that’s the only exact term they use. They literally stand in a circle and chant “anathema” to everyone 🤷
Catholic here, I think you're pretty much spot on with our beliefs. The only way I would say it better myself is if I said that we're saved by grace and faith is the effect of that Grace, so when you say the faith can die in you, we would say the grace dies in you, the sanctifying Grace. Two kinds of Grace, sanctifying Grace, which is that indwelling of the Holy Spirit and actual Grace which doesn't mean actual as in like " actually" but as in pertaining to Acts, as in a special act of Grace given you to help you respond to God's invitation. Invitation. It can also be sort of things like profound moments of communion with God when you feel God's finger on your heart. Various saints have referred to this as spiritual candies or spiritual kisses, basically as moments of Grace to strengthen the faithful and convert the wicked.
Proud Catholic!
You will go to hell with that attitude
16 minute video for “believe in Jesus”??
16:01*
@@ChristIsMyLordnSaviorno it wouldn’t have. Christianity is far more nuanced than that. People make big mistakes in not understanding what they believe. Also believing is different then having faith, also the relationships and functions of grace, regeneration, sanctification, justification, mystical union, atonement, and reconciliation. As well as the rolls that the persons of the trinity have in this process.
@@ChristIsMyLordnSavior Weird how the Bible isn’t one page then.
Didn’t the devil believe in Jesus??
"Believe in Jesus"
What does that mean? 🤔
Video request:
Could you please do a video on the Tetragrammaton? (Is it a name or title? What does it mean? Should we say it? Is it relevant to salvation at all? How do the denominations differ on this issue? etc.) I've been trying to understand its significance and meaning and have found many different conflicting answers.
Within Free Grace baptism, there is theology to allow for a believer being a “carnal Christian” where they do NOT hear “well done”, but they are also NOT condemned to eternal punishment.
In my Pentecostal tradition there are 3 steps: 1) A public and sincere declaration of your faith that Jesus Christ is Lord, and a sincere acceptance . 2) Baptism by water - this results in sanctification. 3) Baptism of the Spirit - this results in the Anointing. Only step 1 is an absolute necessity for salvation.
11:30 hey thats me 😏
Same
As a Pentecostal pastor who has been to a Pentecostal Bible college, your explanation of Pentecostalism is totally unrecognizable to me. I have no idea where you got this conception of Pentecostalism from.
What would be a better way to describe pentecostal views of salvation?
As far as salvation goes, Pentecostals believe in justification by faith alone (that’s one work of grace). We inherit our idea of sanctification from Wesley and the Methodists and generally agree with the idea of “perfect love” which says that we can be totally free from willful sin in this life (though not other sins). Some wrap up this concept of sanctification in the first work of grace, but others separate it out into a second work of grace. Whether it’s one grace or two, both justification and sanctification are by faith alone and have literally zero to do with trying harder (or “methoding” harder), but it’s a gift from God that’s experiential in nature. This is our idea of sanctification, and the process for the rest of our lives is growing deeper in our sanctification.
As far as salvation, that’s all there is to it. The differentiator between Pentecostalism and other denominations (particularly the Methodists) is a second/third work of grace (depending on how many works of grace you have in the salvation piece) that specifically pertains to power for service. This “Pentecostal work of grace” is also experiential in nature, but it has literally nothing to do with salvation/sanctification. Some are saved and sanctified without this Pentecostal grace, and some carry the Pentecostal grace without having salvation (e.g. Matthew 7:21-23). This work of grace doesn’t save you or sanctify you literally at all. It gives you spiritual power as a tool to preach the gospel and do Christian service (Acts 1:8). This is why lots of big ministries/pastors can have massive impact without personally being morally clean. This is also why you see Pentecostalism growing faster than every other denomination/movement ever since our inception even though we’ve had low theological depth, respectability, and sometimes craziness 😂
You might think that’s absurd, and your online experience of Pentecostalism might make you cringe if you’re used to more mainline Christianity, but if you’re comparing our unhealthy Christians to your unhealthy Christians, you guys end up committing heresy and incorporating LGBT stuff, whereas our unhealthy people stay far away from that and we tend to get sensational as our expressions of unhealth, and that’s why I think Pentecostalism is the strongest denomination out there. We’re the fastest growing, we’re the most conservative there is, and we’re the only ones known to reverse the trend of liberalism in denominations. I personally think if RZ incorporated Pentecostalism into the reconquista, he would have far more potency to his movement than he has right now 😊
@@veganminimalistpastordo you speak in human tongues or Kundalini ?
@@hila3175 Kundalini is Hinduism. Pentecostalism is Christianity. We don’t practice kundalini.
@MarkStein-b5b Step 1: Justification by faith alone. Step 2: Sanctification by faith alone (defined by John Wesley as “perfect love”, not Christian perfection). Step 3: Empowerment for Gospel proclamation by faith alone (nothing to do with salvation/sanctification at all).
Some Pentecostals (like me) mix together step one and step two, others don’t. Step three can technically happen at any time (before, after, or in between steps one and two), but this is not recommended (Matthew 7:21-23).
Orthodoxy #1
Pfp matches opinion
...Unless you're Oriental Orthodox...
Protestantism = true Orthodoxy
@@Thatoneguy-pu8tyLOL
@@YuriPapiashvili why u laughing it aint a joke
I appreciate that you added that Lutherans do affirm the elect will ultimately still persevere whilst also still adding that you affirm you can fall from a state of grace. I can explain further the Lutheran understanding as posited by St. Augustine against the Pelagians.
Regarding the "complicated" reformed view - is it not simpler to just take John the Baptists word - "I baptize you with water, but he who comes after me will baptize you with fire and the Holy Spirit" - this view places the act and power of saving baptism in the hands of the Holy Spirit who uses fire and not in the works of man who use water. After all, i'm sure we can all agree if the Holy Spirit isnt involved then you are just taking a bath and we are saved by grace through faith, not works and that includes the water works of man we call baptism.
Lutheran represent.