What Chelsea MUST DO To Win Trophies! 👀 | Cesc Fabregas & Patrick Vieira Debate
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Cesc Fabregas, Patrick Vieira & Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink discuss what Chelsea must do to return to previous heights!
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Sky needs more Fabregas. Poignant insight and looks like he’s got a very honest streak about him. Brilliant.
Unfortunately, he is still playing and part of BOD at Como, Italy.
He's too good for Sky. He will be a brilliant manager
To win trophies?? how about not getting relegated.
Sadly we’re too far away to be relegated now
there are 1 point from safety
@@barry4649 Sadly😂😂😂
@@Kriscur20 no he’s right a Relegation would do us good we would have to cut out all the dead wood an mercenaries
@@Kriscur20 sadly because these muppets can get away with not putting in any effort for the rest of the season
I feel Fabregas will be a really good manager if he decides to become one.
He is/was busy getting his badges. Worked with Wilshere and Arsenal youth team for a bit.
NO
managers need to put systems in place, but more importantly they need to get players playing for them. without charisma and setting the tone of the working environment, you wont get too far. gerrard and lampard got less charisma between them than paul scholes.
Spanish & Italian managers usually make great coaches
@@kaypakaipa8559 not sure there's any valid correlation to be honest, all we can say for sure is, the english are bad.
Fabregas knows exactly what's he's talking about and I respect that.
Funny how Patrick is still jobless when managers like Lampard are still managing.
Imagine
Felt like Patrick should have started with a smaller team for his first job I do see some potential especially defensively he made Crystal Palace good
Should take the Leeds job after Big Sam, if they stay up.
That's not an acccurate comment and a spurious one.
Vieira is the same as Lampard in that both have been sacked from multiple manager roles now while having all the benefits of being a top player and promoted to top jobs way ahead of earning it. Neither cut it as a manager so what you're saying makes zero sense. Lampard was a care-taker manager bringing in an idol of Chelsea to see out a dead season.
@@commentarytalk1446 viera did far better than lampard with far fewer resources. Keeping Palace mid table is nowhere near lampard going 1-2-17 in his last 20 games
What Chelsea need is a squad clear out....they have players they don't need and need players they don't have
whats another few bill between mates!
Its like the players cba anymore
It’s gonna be hard shifting them…..take Sterling for example he’s on 325k a week and 4 more years left in his contract….who’s gonna buy him? And even if someone does miraculously want him….is he gonna get that sort of money somewhere else? 🤷🏻♂️ you could argue and say put him on loan, but then who’s gonna pay his wages? No one is giving him 325K a week! Another Ozil situation there (with Arsenal) , where he’s comfortable knowing full well he’s set for 4 more years.
A clear out after just shelling out £600 million absolute madness
I'd clear out players like Mudryk, Madueke, Enzo Fernandes etc
Cesc is a great pundit
Does he feel more belonging to arsenal or Chelsea?
@@abdirahman292 Chelsea more
But a legeuin both I think
@@mikeal616 go watch his interview with thierry henry , he said hes always arsenal and chelsea is his second team
@@mikeal616 nah its arsenal he said it. He was there at age 16 for 8 years. That was his formative years as a player and usually the most impressionable.
Cesc identifying more with Chelsea is just funny man😂
He achieved nothing at Arsenal besides, he won league title in 04 that he didnt contribute too,
At Chelsea he won 5 trophies
When he played for Chelsea, he gave his all every game. Class act. One of the best assist makers i have seen in world football.
Yes, when arsenal made this tool into an ammo.
From Tuchel 😂 3+ trophies to Mid table POTTER 😂 to Relegation Expert Frank Lampard 😂😂
🤧
Next would be Dyche to bring em back to EPL
Lampard worst premier league manager of all time
It is funny but Tuchel was in reality 1 trophy and a couple of glorified friendlies
The owners are the problem
@@VegaPhil lol
I can see Fabregas as a manager. Very smart and puts his ideas across well.
What Cesc said is 100% true! Also the owner decisions are important. Tuchel shouldn't been sacked at all ...that was mistake number 1.
Can the UK gov lock up our owners for a year? Never mind we got Boehly through the UK gov!!!
This was a different era you need 95+ to win the epl Chelsea ain't getting there anytime soon
@@fozayelkadir2700 remind me your comment next season lad
If Roman was still in charge, Tuchel would have been sacked last season. Lucky he lasted as long as he did
@@ChelseaKTBFFH-qm9gk those horrible mistakes wouldn’t have taken place. Letting go of Toni, Andreas, Timo and look what we’ve signed!
Fabregas hugely underrated, was an elite midfielder in his prime
Arsenal made! Ofcourse, wenger deserves credibility.
GOOD to have consultants that are former footballers. It helps us see the challenges that clubs face inside. All of them said give the next manager the keys
I love Cesc in these spaces...hopefully hell make a great coach... He still look like he has 2 good seasons in him
Fabregas should be a manager , very smart and looks like he could do it , maybe even at Chelsea later
3 top players there. Jimmy, Cesc and Patrick.
We haven't won a game since early March. It's unacceptable from the players can't blame the previous managers and Frank now.
Playres hate the owner
Wow, Cesc is really articulate. I think he or the former legends like Jimmy or Cech should be hired as a consultant/advisors to the club.
Cech was Roman's man though
Boehly got rid of everybody associated with Roman tho, and that was his biggest mistake in my opinion because the players were used to the medical staff and other key members of the backroom staff and Boehly fired them and hired his own people and it's really hard for footballers to form new relationships and I think that's the reason for Chelsea's bad form too many changes
Love how Chelsea have conceded less goals than arsenal yet are in this positon, says a lot about our attack
My advice would be to give super frank a 10 year extension, keep the comedy show going😂
Na after 3/4 years they'd actually become decent. Giving managers time to build something is a thing of the past but is the best way to do it. How anyone is blaming lampard for bohelys mess is beyond me. How many managers have they had now? It's only the managers? Or possibly by now, the players? No it's the fact this is bohely fc hiding behind the name chelsea
🤣🤣🤣
One year would be enough for comedy.. He will get fired before that
Keep the faith. Frank can bring the club back to former glory
That's kinda harsh !
Arsenal fans how does it feel when Fabregas use 'we' when referring to Chelsea at the Emirates ? 😂
Don't think they care 😂 Chelsea are an embarrassment atm, better to be in that situation, than having an ex player saying we
@@SJMacca But the Arsenal have been bent over for the last 20 years, only now are they showing a chance at some consolation, even that is looking unlikely now LOL
I mean Cesc was talking about the time when he was in Chelsea and won that premier league trophy
Petr cech does interviews and says we when describing arsenal, yet Chelsea fans claim him as a club legend lmao. Its not that deep, your heart can be in two places just like a mother and father
In moments like these, just fine lol
How Fabregas is referring to Chelsea as "we" at the Emirates!! My childhood is a mess!
His a legend at Chelsea than at arsenal
I don't think he means 'we' as in Chelsea, I think he meant in general as footballers etc
@@paulcollinsmugisha lol
They need to buy players that are needed,not just buy players that are expensive on the market and throw them all in the starting XI and expecting results
100% agree. The owners spending money is bizarre to say the least.
They need to buy few more players just to fix up the weak areas
The owner is playing fantasy football with a premier league club.
Two Arsenal captains, representing two successive generations. Great men who played their hearts out for the club. Still disappointed with Cesc for joining Chelsea. Vieira stood his ground and refused to play for Man United despite the admiration and interest Sir Alex showed in him. And he fought Man U with blood, tears and sweat. What a guy.
both players still got to the point where they acted too big for arsenal and essentially abandoned the club to further their own careers. Same goes for Henry. Many of Arsenal's legends of this era were pretty self serving when it really came to it
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere as an arsenal fan can you blame them? We showed no ambition why would they want to stick around
He made the right decision with two premier leagues with chelsea. Arsenal not gona see the league for anotjer few decades lol
Cant blame cesc. Since the invincible season Chelsea have been levels above Arsenal.
I'm sure they'll have a good chance of winning the championship next season
@@leonisgrigorikis2383it is actually, just a very low possibility
They can do it
@Leonis Grigorikis Your right, playoffs best hope.
@@WebleyCrusher its impossible for us to get relegated
Well said by Cesc at the end. Let the players who have futures at this club play them for the rest of games this season. Let them get used to PL intensity. The likes of Mudryk, Noni, Badiashile have that hunger in them. Let them play
2021: chelsea won the ucl
2023: what chelsea must do to win trophies
to win games... that would be a start
@@filibusteros.787 to score goals ….. that should be the primary objective
Cesc talking about Chelsea getting Conte is exactly how I imagined it would be when he came to Spurs but didn't work out. He also didn't mention that in the year they won Spurs came second lol he just said they beat Klopp, Pep and Mourinho's teams but didn't mention Poch who they are saying might now go to Chelsea!
The same thing they've been doing for 20 years? Spend lots of money and eventually get a manager who can put a system together.
I like the host. He forces the pundits to have opinions and asks crucial questions
I like the panel they got here, Ex-Chelsea, Ex-Arsenal/chelsea & Ex-Arsenal
The goals conceded stat is interesting that they are quite similar. Arsenal need to reduce that.
New pundit unlocked big up Viera🔥
Appreciated you legend
Cesc is a true Chelsea legend, he understands the importance of what Chelsea represents even with saying pochettino he wasn’t too excited cus he understands the importance of a right manager a proper winner again eg Conte flick etc he understands.
Proper Chels!
@@ellishaindobo1794made at arsenal
Not that hard to be a Chelsea legend. Chelsea was an average club before Roman saved it.
@@dc6111 4 European cups in 12 years. Rest of the london clubs combined: 0 in 40 years
@@jessehitchcock9141 can you not read?
Love Fabregas i love that man he would be an excellent coach for Chelsea, an assistant after john terry learns as an assistant for Mouriho
It’s clear what needs to be done to stabilise the club and performances, question is that when this will be achieved. I’m not optimistic this will be soon.
In the back play badiashile and fofana/koulibaly in a back 4 or all three in a back 3. Thiago silva is old and slow. chalobah need to upgrade. we need to sign atleast 2 defenders. In the middle enzo, kante and kovacic cant start together in the same match, they are simillar players (CDMs). Play 2 attacking midfilders with one of them. i would go with mount/RLC and felix/havertz. In the front play mudryk and madueke in the wings and Havertz or DD fofana up front
Players gotta start taking responsibilities too!
Frank Lampard is the worst coach the Premier League has ever seen. This team was fine under Tuchel. Todd Boehly is being poorly advised and has wasted his first season and alot of money.
Think you've misspelt GAMES
Pure facts
I don't know why everyone is so shocked by this. Before Chelsea became Chelski, they were pretty bad (apart from the Vialli/Zola days), now it's normal service resumed.
The vialli zola gullit era they still won a few cups. But even before that, they have not been near relegation since new epl 92-93 season.
Cesc basically went from saying don’t blame the manager (Frank) to get a manager in who can galvanise the squad lool
With Vieira's height you can see how Arsenal used to intimidate the opposition. It is said the games where won when players used to walk out of the changing room and line-up before the kick off. With Gilberto,Vieira,Bergkamp,Henry,
Thanks Sky for changing your plaudit line-up. Three well spoken ex players with different view point. It's brilliant to see that there is connection between the two clubs and plaudits. It's pointless having Carra on when he hasn't played for the team who is playing. Secondly he struggles to express himself well and the same could be said about Souness and Merson.
I can see Chelsea winning a trophy soon tbh.
Gotta be 5/1 to win the championship next year
Not a fan of either club but cesc is a class pundit, would be class with keane
You need squad depth few more signings needed I think
While Cesc may emphasize the responsibility of players, it is crucial to acknowledge that they largely follow and adapt to the manager's tactical instructions, positional assignments, and formations. The tendency for players to focus on individual performance rather than cohesive teamwork has proven detrimental.
Establishing a consistent rhythm within the team necessitates fielding the same group of players, as it provides a level of certainty/consistency. However, if the manager continues to alter formations and team selections frequently, it becomes challenging to achieve this desired continuity. The issue extends beyond the players themselves; the manager's role is equally crucial in fostering team cohesion.
That’s been the problem for years. Establishing a continuity on the pitch, we haven’t know our best XI for years. An elite manager/tactician like Tuchel can help alleviate that but you’re limiting yourself against the likes of City and Liverpool
and i take it you have more experience and knowledge then cesc? this is not manager, Chelsea like spurs ae having PLAYER ISSUES, do not look at the manager, a good example of manager being the issue is when Arsenal had Wenger and Emery, their tactics made them fail
@@BlackOxymoron As a football enthusiast, I may not possess the same level of experience as Cesc, but the impact of a new coach on a team is evident. We witnessed the difference when Tuchel took charge of the same players Lampard had. Cesc also highlighted the positive changes brought by Conte at Chelsea during his playing days, Emery, Zidane, and Ancelotti in their respective clubs. This serves as a reminder that player responsibilities and the guidance of a coach are both vital aspects of success. It does not diminish the importance of players' efforts.
While acknowledging Lampard's efforts and respecting his current role, it's possible that Chelsea could benefit from additional support for Lampard or the squad as a whole. It's worth noting that even legendary managers like Sir Alex Ferguson relied on a barrage of coaches and technical staff to achieve success.
As a fan of Lampard, I too had high hopes for his success. I still hold onto that hope for the future, considering his remarkable experience working with coaches during his own football career.
@@user-qt4fb9uk9s lol love how you omit that when Potter took over, no impact, when Lampard after Potter, no impact... you quite selective in your views.
hence Cesc is right and you wrong, its the player not managers in this context, stop defending players that choose to not perform
@@user-qt4fb9uk9s why do you reply like you just copied a chatgpt conversation but just changed the words.
For Chelsea to win trophies, they must sign a 10 year contract with Lampard being their manager. This will allow them to be relegated until the national league, and maybe after a few years of trying they might win the national league, I can’t see any other way tbh
Excellent from fabregas legendary player and pundit
Jimmy should get his boots back on and show them how it's done
Fabregas makes an excellent point but the issue is the squad is far too bloated than it was back then. It's going to be several years before a tune can be got out of these players.
Conte needs to come back, he can rebuild. Fire 10 players in the first week.
Conte or Mourinho for me 100%, we need an authoritative manager, not Pochettino ffs
The owners won't have them 😅. They want to play football manager and control the manager too.
@@barry4649 Agreed.
@@tintinxyzc Exactly.
Nice one fab
A great courageous word by cesc again..
i thought this was sky sports retro when i saw the thumbnail
net spending is the same if we count off these 600m (cuz they didnt won anything since spending these money) from this year
We need to win games first
Fabregass should of been brought in to help Lampard, you can see how much it's hurting him with the state that Chelsea is in
thomas tuchel would of subbed all playing 11 at half time lol 😂 man its crazy to think howw we went about this season . these owners are mad
look at those stats of 2023 , its scarry . greatest shock of the season
The manager in this situation, is the problem
Jose Mourihno and John Terry . Needed before next season.👍
Thought the pitch was moving when fabregas was talking
Scoring some goals would be a start I’d say
Get Poch in, heavily reduce squad size, get a proper centre forward and goalkeeper in. Then Chelsea will be up there.
My problem is since Frank came we are getting worse every single game, we weren't that bad under portter. For a team to gel and play like a real team it the work of the manager to bring them together. Frank can't motivate these players thats my opinion he also doesn't have any tactics to implement so how can these lads play better if we already have a bad coach.!!!!!!!
These players aren't that bad, with a good manager this team will play better.
How soon can we watch a sit-down with Garry and Carra?
Thanks Fabregas
Fabregas is on a rocking horse !
Csec makes a great point. But he forgets the number of leaders that we had in the team. This current crop barring Thiago Silva, there are no leaders next season.
Yeah true, you had really experienced leaders that season in Terry, Ivanovic, Cesc, Courtois etc. Right now your squad is so leaderless apart from T. Silva, who can’t play every game. Broken side haha
@@Andy-sb7cb It could take a little longer than a season, may be two seasons. Can you imagine how frightening this team could be under a proper manager? Of course we would trim the squad and get three additional players. One in the goal, one number 6 and one striker.
Gary and Roy are looking good
Why ask Vieira, he ain’t no successful manager 😂
The only problem with Fabregasts' comparison is that team he was on had won the PL a couple years before. None of these players have won the PL other than Sterling.
But there are champions league winners from 2 years ago this team just need a good preseason to cook
Cesc and Jimmy said it best. Boehly and co. have proven that they’re on board with long term success due to their patience for giving Potter that amount of time while all of us know that he should’ve been sacked way before that. It’s just their inexperience, hence the reasons why they can’t find that right person cuz they don’t start watching football after they bought the club and those guys didn’t know the recipe for success yet. It’s about finding the right manager like Cesc said and also giving the next manager the keys to the team for them to maximize the squad’s potential while at the same time, let the people that they’re hired to do their job instead of them trying to stick their noses in places that they don’t belong like Jimmy said
Fabregas has a lot of experience from a short time leaving the game.
He can be successful still in football
The owner of Chelsea made a mistake to walk inthe changing room and pick on a player specifically to criticise,the players are intentionally throwing him under the bus
Nice to see Fabregas 💙💙💙
cesc try and be a manager because u were so clever on the pitch
Chelsea need to focus on a general club strategy before they start thinking about trophies
Chelsea had many good players but something is missing . they really need a good manager .
Fabregas look good as a Coach of Chelsea FC. I would prefer him that Lampard or Mauricio Pothi.
Cesc Fabregas care more about Chelsea than Lampard.
Example of why sometimes pundits can be having more clear assessment than a manager.
You buy enzo 120m, mudryk 100m, play them every week to see is these guys gonna make you ein trophy or not.
Lampard with his ego goes for sterling eventhough he never got the result. What he got is to chase the losing scorline and play the gems in really late scenario hoping they would save his face.
He was lucky Madueke save his face last night.
In the end its also on the manager because to get to 90minutes you need a really solid situation to begin with, and your starting XI is the answer.
Oooh Fabregas is magic he wears his magic hat!
Crazy how Cesc n Pat played together and now they here😂
a better title would be - What Chelsea MUST DO To Win "matches"
Word Cesc!
Go on Jamie say something about yrs team how do u call that 😂
Brilliant from Cesc.
How about buying a striker? One that actually scores goals would be a start.
Why did Chelsea bring Lampard back? Viera would've been a better choice than him but the Chelsea/Arsenal rivalry could be an issue!.
Lampart is currently not cut out for the EPL and especially not a "top 6" team
Im an arsenal fan n feel viera was hard done by palace cos what ever hodgson was gona do viera wud hav dun the same if not better.. for sum odd reason palace have alot of love for hodgson n the fans dodnt question the decision...
And yh maybe chelsea.cud have dun with viera for the end of the season
Double the points, what a dream ❤
Graham potter at Crystal Palace… win win
Surely someone needs to work out how they win a match first...
I have no doubt that Chelsea will be back next season.
…from the Championship.
No but seriously 😑
We will bounce back we needed the humbling fast
To think we have a better defensive record than Arsenal for a 12th placed team is crazy
Dont worry chelski fans, super frank only needs 1 more point to get you lot to that magic 40 you need to stay up!