Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
I gotta say, I’ve really been on the free will view for a long time. But this view is more humbling, it makes me more grateful. It makes me feel as if I didn’t do any work (I didn’t). It makes me want to really sanctify my heart in Christ. Loved the message.
As a heathen outsider, I can say two things about this: 1) this type of predestination makes the most sense and seems the most theological sound based on the Bible. If I am justly destined for hell, I could understand and accept that. The odds suggest that this is overwhelmingly likely, and; 2) i have seen several video presentations by R. C. and this one by far and away shows his best hair style 😆
@@jasonpadula4916 pisteuō pist-yoo'-o From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
There is good reason people struggle with this view. Our God-given conscience warns us about it. That interpretation of Romans 9 is not taking the context of the letter into consideration. The main purpose of the letter is to show how Israel is rejected as the chosen in favour of all persons of faith in Christ, a reinterpretation of the covenant. The passage read is talking about God's decision of Jacob's over Esau's descendents to carry forth God's redemptive plan. The expression used "Jacob He loved, Esau He hated" is used in other places in the Bible to mean choosing one over the other (Jesus told us to "hate" our families for example). "God wants everyone to be saved and to fully understand the truth." 1 Timothy 2:4
I'm sorry Chum but you are being mislead. RC Sproul's interpretation is correct. We all want to be in control of our destination, but we aren't. Like it or not HE is in control!!! Not us. And that is what one must accept. We Must submit to Him to be saved. If we can't submit, then we were not chosen!
Wow the skeptics in the comments are really going at it. Really fighting against the sovereignty of God and imagining their own human sovereignty is equal to or greater than God’s.
Appreciate, if any Calvinist could furnish me with bible verses on Calvin's teaching on decreed of God in relation to double-predestination? Thank you.
The many who object to the biblical doctrine of predestination and election miss the key point, the point of everything, from Genesis to Revelation: that God would be glorified! And he is glorified in the demonstration of His attributes. He is holy, just, merciful, loving, kind, good, righteous, immutable, incorruptible, immanent, transcendent, perfect, sovereign, wise, eternal, to name a few. He will be glorified by putting all of these on display, to us and to the angels. God has ordained all that will come to pass, even the rejection of His Son by many, so that His justice and righteousness will be demonstrated. He elects to save many to demonstrate His grace, love and mercy. And if you don't like this then you have no idea who God is, you don't know your bible, and who are you, oh man, who answers back to God? He will be glorified in the way that He has chosen! And, fortunately, He will be glorified in spite of this open-theistic, humanistic, man-centered, semi-Pelagian cancer that has infiltrated the church. Go read the prophets. Learn who God is.
The hope of the believer in Jesus flows from the free, sovereign love of Almighty God; therefore it is called "a good hope through grace;" "good," because it issues from the fountain of goodness; "through grace," because it originates solely in unmerited mercy. This hope rests upon an immovable foundation, even on the divinity and atonement of Jesus Christ, who is called by the Spirit of Truth "our hope;" because all our hope of salvation is treasured up in him, and flows from him. All who possess this hope, have Christ dwelling in their hearts by faith; therefore, says the apostle, "Christ in you, the hope of glory." The Spirit of Christ is the pledge and seal of future glory, and abides in the hearts of all the faithful in Christ Jesus. The Christian's hope is "a living hope." It gives the believer vigor in running the race that is set before him. It animates him in his arduous warfare. It enables him to endure, with patience and fortitude, the rugged path through which he has to travel Zionward. The Christian's hope is "full of immortality." It traverses the valley of the shadow of death, and opens to his view the boundless prospect of eternal glory. It gathers by delightful anticipation many a precious cluster of the grapes of Eshcol, and thus gives a foretaste of the joys of heaven. The Christian's hope "makes not ashamed, because the love of God is shed abroad in his heart, by the Holy Spirit who is given unto him." It forms a divine evidence of his union to Christ. He can now say with Paul, "I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes." He is not ashamed to confess Christ before men, as his only hope of glory. He can declare with humble confidence and heartfelt sincerity, "I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day." The Christian's hope is "a helmet of salvation," which covers his head in the day of battle, when the fiery darts of Satan are leveled against him. It is "an anchor of the soul," both sure and steadfast, which preserves the tempest tossed soul from being driven into the ocean of doubts and despondencies, or dashed against the rocks of presumption or despair. Surely, then, it is "a blessed hope." All who possess it are blessed. This made the apostle pray so sweetly for the Roman converts; "Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost." Oh that I may approach you at all times sprinkled with the atoning blood, until I awake in the mansions of glory, where hope shall be swallowed up in the enjoyment of your everlasting love.
@johnstewart4350 WHAT is the BIBLICAL Docrtrine of ELECTION and PREDESTINA TION? Jesus revealed this doctrine of Election and Predestination in the parable of Wheat and Tares In this parable, Jesus revealed the doctrine of election and pre destination..and who are those people who are predestined to be saved, and those predestined to be burned in the lake of fire.. Jesus revealed in this parable that those who are predestined to be saved are the children of God literally.. And those who are predestined to be cast to the Lake of fire are the children of the devil literally.. Adam and his descendants are the children of God because Adam is a true son of God as revealed in Luke 3:38... Cain and his descendants are the children of the devil because Cain is the seed of the serpent(devil) as mentioned in Genesis 3:15... Cain is not the son of Adam, he is not included in the Genealogy of Adam in Genesis 5... Cain has his own Genealogy in Genesis 4.. all the descendants of Cain are very evil people like him... Jesus revealed in this parable also that there are only 2 kinds of people in the world, they are the children of God literally and the children of the devil literally The children of God are called Elect, and the children of the devil are called reprobates... Sometimes Jesus called the Elect Sheep and the Reprobate Goat.. All the Elect are predestined to be saved, and all the Reprobates are predestine to be burned in the Lake of Fire... Jesus gave His Life only for the Sheep(Elect) John 10:15 EXAMPLE of the children of the devil can be found in John 8:44 EXAMPLE of the children of God can be found in Psalm 82:6 and in Romans 8:14.. Having the knowledge of the Parable of Wheat and Tares can answer the age-old Mystery of what will happen to a newly born child who died or to the unborn fetus who died in the womb.. GOD BLESS YOU ALL WHO BELIEVES IN THIS REVELATION OF JESUS IN THE PARABLE OF WHEAT and TARES...
the apostles when they heard Jesus say "follow me", they left their jobs and follow Jesus. Were they possesed by the power of Jesus' words or simply predestined?
@@aletheia8054 Agree. But does God violates the free will of man if He command a person to do a certain task by the power of His Word? Just trying to narrow down the very meaning of what predestination is really all about.
@@aletheia8054 Do you mean God, by only saying the Word, can command us to love (agape) Him back? My understanding of predestination is this. God has predestined people who will execute His Prophetic Plan He established fron the beginning up to the end. And those He called will automatically belong to God's family, but there are those who will not be, as in Rev. 21, it talks about Kings and nations in the New Heaven and New Earth. In Matthew 25, it teaches that nations will be sorted out in the end, separating the sheep from the goats. And for those predestined will be judged by rewards at the Judgemnt Seat of Christ. So there you see the clear definition of predestination. God set apart a people to Himself to become instrument in accomplishing His Righteous plan of Salvation and Redemption of His Creation through His Christ. He will also set apart nations by His Righteousness at the Mercy Seat of Christ that will be present at Great White Throne Judgment, where all the dead that will come out of Hades/Outer Darkness/Prison will have to face judgment, be it be thrown to the Lake of Fire as mercy Killing, or be Pardoned to live on through the New Heaven and New Earth (Restored Eden), as the nations outside New Jerusalem, to be ruled by kings, the predestined and set apart people of God, the Wife of the Lamb.
@@roderickcruz5234 You might want to invest in some Bible encyclopedia. Start looking up terms and words in the Bible. You can download a Strongs and McClintock encyclopedia for free online. Read about the word “heavens” New heavens doesn’t mean the sky. New earth does it mean the planet Nations doesn’t mean always nation states. What you’re reading is the translation of ancient terms. You need to learn the Greek and the Hebrew terms and what they meant to the ancient peoples You can’t just read it in English and assume you know what it’s talking about. That will mess your theology up.
@kenthepen247gmail You need to rekindle your fight and argument against Calvinistic "predestination". Genesis 6:6 debunks Calvinism's false teaching that He "predestined" everything including the fall of man, sin, and evil. Calvinists also believe that God created man and then INTENTIONALLY predestined his fall and predestined sin and evil. If that is true, then it makes no logical sense for God to feel regret and be deeply troubled afterwards. Hence, the errant belief that God predestined the fall of man is debunked and blown out of the water. Genesis 6:6 - The Lord REGRETTED that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was DEEPLY TROUBLED. If YOU create something and then intentionally engineer it for FAILURE, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE FEELING REGRET AND BE TROUBLED AFTERWARDS. If you deliberately and intentionally create a passenger airliner where it will explode in mid air killing hundreds of passengers, then you would not be feeling regret and be troubled afterwards. I mean after all, you created it to explode, why would you feel regret and be troubled afterwards? Calvinism's wicked teaching that God predestined man's fall, sin, and evil is based upon a perverted understanding of such passages like Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6. However, the context of those passages is clearly explained by many passages in the book of Jeremiah and other Old Testament books. The passages in those books explain that God brings evil, disaster, and calamity upon nations and people when they are living in disobedience, unfaithfulness, and wickedness. God brings those things upon nations and individuals as punishment and as a wake up call. These passages include Jeremiah 16:10-12, Jeremiah 5:19, 2 Chronicles 7:21-22, 1 Kings 9:8-9, etc. Calvinism's demonic teaching makes God the author of sin and evil and in essence exonerates Satan and man. There is double talk and contradiction in Calvinism regarding whether or not God is the author of sin and evil. Calvinism's wicked teaching is a direct attack on the true nature and character of God. God's foreknowledge of the Inquisition, the Holocaust, Pearl Harbor, Dec 7, 1941, the Rape of Nanking 1937, and the 9/11 Terrorist attacks does NOT equal to God intentionally and deliberately making those atrocities happen. Those atrocities happened due to the innate evil and wickedness of men's hearts. James 1:13-14 - When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” FOR GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED BY EVIL, NOR DOES HE TEMPT ANYONE; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away BY THEIR OWN EVIL DESIRE and enticed. Jeremiah 32:35 - They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I NEVER COMMANDED -NOR DID IT ENTER MY MIND-that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin.
@@wtom04God orchestrated the death of the only innocent one in this world. And His wrath and also sadness and all kinds of emotions were on display including the torn veil. God is only unfair, wicked, and should be upset for for bringing evil people into his presence..
Really? How do you know you are dead wrong? Sproul's views rest on Calvinism and Augustine and really it rests on what God can and cannot do and will and will not do. How is it possible that Sproul' is 100% certain of God's abilities? These are grey areas where not even the Bible covers it sufficiently.
The question that inevitably comes up is "why did man need grace at all," and this, if your logically consistent, takes you to a very dark and depressing place.
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo I didn't say grace takes us to a dark place -- the reason we need it does. Ask yourself why we needed grace at all, to begin with.
@@sbag11 , "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" (Ephesians 2:8) Now tell me why don't we need grace..
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo Your lack of listening is astounding. You’re just following the Calvinist line, giving a canned response to a claim no one was making, then smugly asking a question irrelevant to the issue and acting like you scored some sort of “gotcha” when in reality all you did was reveal your own ignorance and lack of humility. I NEVER SAID WE DIDN’T NEED GRACE. Now, if you want to have a real, rational conversation, that’s fine. But in order to do so, you need to employ your ears and actually think, rationally, about the point I am alluding to. So, let me pose the question again: WHY did we need grace in the first place?
@@sbag11 The best answer I can offer to your question is that God is showing us one of His attributes, i.e. that He is gracious. You could ask Why did God allow Eve to be deceived by the serpent so that Adam sinned and passed death upon all men (Romans 5:12) It should be enough for us to know that God only knows the answer.
I guess he figured out God. No mystery left, under calvinism we know God's will. Uh oh.. but wait a minute.. we still dont know if we are elect or just a reprobate under temporal grace to evangelize to the elect, then to be tossed out. Quite a dilemma we have.
Newscaster the Lord commands us to participate in growing his kingdom. Our evangelism is one of his means by which his good Word spreads. He didn't have to allow our participation but he does. Because, like everything else, it brings him glory! That is our purpose in life as believers... to glorify God & enjoy him forever.
Faith comes by hearing. At your regeneration, God made you capable of discerning the truth of His word. But you have to hear it proclaimed by the evangelist. You didn't get the Word by osmosis.
@Desaprendiendo, WHAT is the BIBLICAL Docrtrine of ELECTION and PREDESTINA TION? Jesus revealed this doctrine of Election and Predestination in the parable of Wheat and Tares In this parable, Jesus revealed the doctrine of election and pre destination..and who are those people who are predestined to be saved, and those predestined to be burned in the lake of fire.. Jesus revealed in this parable that those who are predestined to be saved are the children of God literally.. And those who are predestined to be cast to the Lake of fire are the children of the devil literally.. Adam and his descendants are the children of God because Adam is a true son of God as revealed in Luke 3:38... Cain and his descendants are the children of the devil because Cain is the seed of the serpent(devil) as mentioned in Genesis 3:15... Cain is not the son of Adam, he is not included in the Genealogy of Adam in Genesis 5... Cain has his own Genealogy in Genesis 4.. all the descendants of Cain are very evil people like him... Jesus revealed in this parable also that there are only 2 kinds of people in the world, they are the children of God literally and the children of the devil literally The children of God are called Elect, and the children of the devil are called reprobates... Sometimes Jesus called the Elect Sheep and the Reprobate Goat.. All the Elect are predestined to be saved, and all the Reprobates are predestine to be burned in the Lake of Fire... Jesus gave His Life only for the Sheep(Elect) John 10:15 EXAMPLE of the children of the devil can be found in John 8:44 EXAMPLE of the children of God can be found in Psalm 82:6 and in Romans 8:14.. Having the knowledge of the Parable of Wheat and Tares can answer the age-old Mystery of what will happen to a newly born child who died or to the unborn fetus who died in the womb.. GOD BLESS YOU ALL WHO BELIEVES IN THIS REVELATION OF JESUS IN THE PARABLE OF WHEAT and TARES...
Predestination example 1: Its kind of like this. A man’s wife is finally pregnant and the couple are over joyed. I hope it is a boy the man said and I hope he will be interested in becoming an electrician like me. I also hope he goes into the trade and if he does, I plan for him to take over the family business some day! But I know that these plans that I have made for him, before one of his days of life begin will be entirely up to my son. I cannot force him, I cannot put a gun to his head, I can only encourage and guide him and hope. In other word’s the man has predestined a plan for his son, He has chosen a plan for his son. He has elected to give all this to his son if he so desires it! Outcome 1 The baby is born and it is a boy. He is interested in his fathers work and goes to electrical trade school, but drops out and becomes a lawyer instead. Outcome 2 He drops out of school becomes a bum, a drunk or a murderer etc. Outcome 3 The son follows his fathers predestinated plan, through trade school and takes over his father’s business. The fathers predestined plans for his son will happen, or will not happen, according to the choices the son makes. Its the same with mankind. There is a master plan given to every human being to know God, reach salvation and eternity in Heaven. But to follow or reject the plan is the choice given to every individual. This is the "Good News Gospel" that the Angels proclaimed when the Messiah was born. Satan has attacked that message from the beginning, twisting it into what is now known as Calvinism or the doctrine of election. Predestination example 2: Grandma saves and saves to buy her granddaughter a plane ticket to France. She has been saving for many years and the day finally arrived and she gave her granddaughter her special gift. The granddaughter goes to the airport and asks the attendant which plane to get on. The attendant says, what is your destination on your ticket? He reads the ticket which says “Destination France.” He also said that flight 446 is a modern jet that was especially built and destined by the airline to fly exclusively to France for its entire service life. So, this aircraft has been predestined to fly to a predestined location, France. The girl gets on the plane and is now destined to travel to France on the predestined plane, that has been predestined by its designers, to reach its predestined, destination! This girl will arrive at her predestined trip that her grandmother predestined years before, as long as she goes to the airport, gets on the right plane and stays on the plane! All this took place by the choices the granddaughter made. Predestination example 3: "The man on an island." Imagine a man has been taken to a desolate island with everything he needs to survive and given only a Bible to occupy his time. This man has no preconceived idea about religion so everything he will learn over the next 10 years he will get directly from the Bible and Gods leading. The man accepts God’s plan of salvation and what he has learned from the Bible. He repents and is born again. The Holy Spirit is now counselling the man from the inside. He studies intensely for the 10 years growing in his faith and walking closer and closer with God daily. After 10 years he comes back to the mainland world and decides he needs to fellowship with other Christians as the Bible says he should. The man approaches a number of different churches and looks through the windows from the outside and says to himself “What are they doing in there what are they saying about God? How do you think this man will compare what he knows to be true, from what he sees going on in the mainline churches today? Do you think he will find what the mainline denominations are teaching will be in harmony to what this true follower of Jesus Christ has learned? You know it won’t be! It then occurred to me that I am that man. I became a Christian in the winter of 1980 and didn’t go to any church for 10 years. I studied on my own directly from the Bible. I did go to some Bible studies, but basically learned directly by Gods leading. TRUTH IN LOVE R.C.Sproul means...... 5-Point Calvinism and calls it Christianity. It is not! Its a heresy and counter to the teaching of Jesus. Those in Reformed circles think they are defending Christianity, but what they unknowingly often do, is defend the Cult of Calvinism. Christians are Christ followers! Calvinists are John Calvin followers! Nazis are Hitler followers! Non Christians are Satan followers! This is what truth looks like: 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. Acts 2 :21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off-.... John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
@@stevej71393 Christians and honest people use the golden rule of understanding scripture. Explain the seemingly unclear scripture with the perfectly clear scriptures. Liars and Demons use the seemingly unclear scripture to pervert and twist clear scripture to follow their doctrine of Demons of Reformed Calvinism. It is their choice. Follow a works based prideful false religion, or the truth! These verses are so clear only a fool could not see what they are saying. 1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. Acts 2 :21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off-.... John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Truth in love
@@stevej71393 Yes both Calvinism, Arminianism, Mormonism, Johovah Witnessism and Catholicism can be justified by differing twisting of scriptures, as they are ALL CULTS! and Heretics. A Christian reads the Bible and lets it say what it says and understands that it means what it says. Truth in Love
@@truth7416 the scripture you choose has always been convincing to me and the very thought of double predestination makes me shudder but John MacArthur a heretic, surely not. Misguided that he promotes the sovereignty of God incorrectly but he admits himself that there are aspects of this reformed view that he cannot explain. John is not my pastor and my tradition has been very different but he is a brother, no doubt about that.
@@johornbuckle5272 John MacArthur is a godly man. The problem with any denomination is their founders were given a revelation and their followers took it to mean everyone else is wrong. Just like many people in the Church have differing gifts to make a whole, many denomination have a valid piece of the puzzle, and arrogance makes them refuse to have the grace to see that God may have given another tradition another piece of the puzzle. I'm happy I have the Bible and have been exposed to lots Christ honoring traditions and people that love Yeshua. That "I'm of Apollo! I'm of Paul!" garbage makes me cringe.
Predestination is not the sama as election. Example, Judas is chosen, but not predestined to betray Jesus. Judas's betrayal happen according to situation and resposibility present Judas
It’s strange listening to this. This preacher (presumably) professes to love the truth and love. Not only that, but he loves truth and love incarnate- God. God the omniscient. God the omnipotent. God the perfectly good and just. God the standard for morality itself. God the perfectly merciful and perfectly just. And then he preaches of predestination as if it was not a contradiction in logic. Let’s suppose that the preacher Sproul is right. Everything is predestined, and not merely seen by God from the start in his omniscience. No, everything is predestined. Adam and Eve had to be cast out of heaven. For what? For their sin? If that were the case, was it not God then who created faulty creation? Would God then not be a liar for calling the creation good? Is God then not the author of evil? If Adam sinned not of his own free will, is Adam then not a robot? Did he not sin by inescapably bad design by God? Incapable of doing anything else, like a robot Adam had no choice of doing anything else then what God, like a powerful programmer “coded” him to do? Are humans like tennis balls thrown off the table, merely being pulled by gravity to the ground? They are hopelessly doomed to dance to their own deficient design that will end with them in hell? Are not all those who sin and go to hell responsible for their actions? If it’s not them who are responsible for their love of evil- who is? Is it not the author of life then responsible for his creations lack of free will? God created the world with both good and evil, joy and suffering for his own pleasure and amusement. How is this god perfectly good, morale and just?
So if it is by free will that we become saved , then it it useless to pray for an unbeliever to be saved because God would have to say I’ve done all I can I can’t save him it’s now up to him?
Why would you say that. If Calvinism is true then there is no need for prayer at all as everyone is either elect or reprobate and no one can do anything about it. Calvinism also makes the sacrifice of Christ of no meaning as everyone was already predetermined to be either damned or saved NOT based upon any future faith. I have never encountered a more demonic view of God.
@@pipkinrahl7264 your thinking of hyper Calvinism, God predestines sinners to be saved through prayer , the preaching of the gospel, circumstances, looking at creation, loved ones , reading the word . Reconciliation works from the top down not the other way around . My point is , I just don’t see myself standing before God and saying ( I am so glad I made the right choice and chose you) , but instead I will say PRAISE you Lord for saving me even though I was your enemy when you died for me.
@@Terrylb285 There is no such thing as hyper-Calvinism, there is only Calvinism and those who cherry pick from it what they would like to believe. God predestines a the destination of those who choose to believe.
@@pipkinrahl7264 It's a mystery. God chooses to incorporate our prayers for the lost souls into His eternal plan of salvation. Someone was praying for me before I was saved, when I had no desire to know God, just like all of my family now. It has been 30 years. I cannot ignore 2 Thess 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you brethren beloved of the Lord, because God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth.
Difficult subject. Grace is for all . The people of Israel who came out of Egypt we're singing praises as they crossed the reed sea or red sea???. Miriam was full of singing praises,yet she went against Moses authority hence she was struck with leprosy. Again moses wrote in Deuteronomy 28.the curses of Egypt if they disobey him.
It's really simple. Find one single person in The Bible that SOUGHT God before God SOUGHT them. Find one single person that was seeking salvation before they knew God. The answer is absolutely zero. God, in His sovereign will, choose not only people, but an entire nation. And since God in His Holy Trinity is the same today as He was yesterday, and will be tomorrow, the same applies to us today. God chooses based on His own will. Period.
@mrr7870, WHAT is the BIBLICAL Docrtrine of ELECTION and PREDESTINA TION? Jesus revealed this doctrine of Election and Predestination in the parable of Wheat and Tares In this parable, Jesus revealed the doctrine of election and pre destination..and who are those people who are predestined to be saved, and those predestined to be burned in the lake of fire.. Jesus revealed in this parable that those who are predestined to be saved are the children of God literally.. And those who are predestined to be cast to the Lake of fire are the children of the devil literally.. Adam and his descendants are the children of God because Adam is a true son of God as revealed in Luke 3:38... Cain and his descendants are the children of the devil because Cain is the seed of the serpent(devil) as mentioned in Genesis 3:15... Cain is not the son of Adam, he is not included in the Genealogy of Adam in Genesis 5... Cain has his own Genealogy in Genesis 4.. all the descendants of Cain are very evil people like him... Jesus revealed in this parable also that there are only 2 kinds of people in the world, they are the children of God literally and the children of the devil literally The children of God are called Elect, and the children of the devil are called reprobates... Sometimes Jesus called the Elect Sheep and the Reprobate Goat.. All the Elect are predestined to be saved, and all the Reprobates are predestine to be burned in the Lake of Fire... Jesus gave His Life only for the Sheep(Elect) John 10:15 EXAMPLE of the children of the devil can be found in John 8:44 EXAMPLE of the children of God can be found in Psalm 82:6 and in Romans 8:14.. Having the knowledge of the Parable of Wheat and Tares can answer the age-old Mystery of what will happen to a newly born child who died or to the unborn fetus who died in the womb.. GOD BLESS YOU ALL WHO BELIEVES IN THIS REVELATION OF JESUS IN THE PARABLE OF WHEAT and TARES...
Oh & by the way...I realize it's me a little ol, nobody vs Mr R..Sproul...a Scholar of Reknown...ya trust me I get it...but if God needed.." Scholars...He certainly wouldn't have chosen...Fisher men of all people to do His bidding...again 2Cor.1:27-31.... & that's me..." a base thing of the...world...& if the condition of our church hes are anything to go by...its a real honor to be a base thing of the world...for Christ...see also Phil.3:1-11..." & do count them but...DUNG..for that excellent knowledge of Christ...." that begins with the Gospel of Christ..1Pet.1:23-25... all scripture..fm the AV/ KJV...Why??? Nothing,s missing...revised...or omitted...
@@benneisam yes but what's @ issue here is...HOW this diverse group of people became the children of God...not the fact that they are diverse fm... all walks of life...i.e.the dif' btw...The Christ...& the Calvinist...that's the point of contention... here...HOW they are ....saved...not who
If God is God, why did he let Satan come into the Garden? I’ll tell you: because God would be an unfair God if he gave us free choice, but then no choices what choice did they have? God spoke to them, and if they didn’t hear anything else but God, what’s the point of free choice? That’s why he let the serpent in God says something, the serpent says something else, and they believe the serpent and choose to disobey God because God is Holy, they had to separate from God in sin and ever since there’s been a war and the war one day will end when every single person on the planet hears about Jesus has the same opportunity as Adam and Eve.
That's not true @ all..." prescience..." Predestination..." or foreknowledge has nothing to do w/ who will Choose Christ & who will not...of course God knows who will & who will...not be saved...why would God have to " choose/elect..." those who are already...offered the Grace to be saved...if they,ve already been Chosen/Elected to be saved...???? If a person can Choose to " SERVE..." God....or not to " SERVE..." God...they can certainly Choose to be " SAVED"...or not to be..." SAVED..JOS.24:15... only SAVED People can Serve God...& they,re not Predestinated to " SERVE.." any more than they,re Predestinated to be " SAVED...just bc God knows Who will & Who wont be Saved....doesnt mean He Chooses or Elects Who will & Who won't be Saved...!!! yeah I know what ya thinking..its Mr R.C.Sproul...the Scholar...Extraordinaire...vs..little ol, Mr Nobody...yeah I get it....but God uses the base things of the world to confuse the wise..1Cor.1:27-31...& that's me...Mr.base thing of the world...!! Why?? " That my Faith should not stand in the wisdom of...men but in the Power of God..." WHY???? That no Flesh ( men ) should ever...ever..Glory in His Presence..!@ that's Why...1Cor.1:29 goes to Mt.15:1-20..." & why do you transgress the commandment of God...BY your traditions..." & Mt.16:5-12..." beware of the LEAVEN....( Corruption) of the Pharisees..." or in this case...Catholic Calvinism...Christ said to those Religious Rulers of His day...& the Religious Rulers of our day..." you will....NOT come to me that you might have...Life.." Never said they...CANT..said they....WONT!!! & as soon as ya take man,s free will out of the equation..ya dealing with another Gospel...regardless of how " Scholastic..." it may appear...to.....be...oh & our Lord never said...they CANT come to Him bc they were..NOT Elected or Chosen to do... so..." Predestination" belongs to those who are already....SAVED....!! Eph.1:1-14....get it...V11..." being Predestinated..." V12..." Who first Trusted...Christ...." V14...Predestinated to be sealed with the Holy Spirit of...Promise..."...V13..not 14...V14..is the down payment as it were..
I completely agree with him. If predestination is thrown out based on human sentiments then you need to throw out the whole Bible. The doctrine of the Trinity will boggle the mind and will appear lunatic if we used human sentiments about the triune God who is three persons and yet 1 monotheistic deity in essence. Most believers has no problem accepting the doctrine of Trinity but will vehemently oppose the doctrine of election and predestination because its in conflict with human sentiments about “fairness”. But this is plainly taught in the scriptures. If we let scriptures say what they say, then this is what it says.
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In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, "they have also built the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings to Baal, which I did NOT COMMAND or speak, nor did it come into My mind)" So, who do we believe, Jeff Durbin, RC Sproul, James White, John Piper or God Almighty and His Holy Word, the Bible? So, while God does predestine some things, this verse says clearly NOT everything. It's like a university predestining a football team but giving free will to players themselves to decide whether or not to come out for that team.
Under Calvinism, there is no true rejection of Christ. Those who reject him only do so because he first rejected them. You can't reject something that was never offered to you in the first place. All of these analogies are just that, analogies. Christ said he came to save the lost, the sick, the unrighteous. Christ is the: -propitiation of the sins of the world -the ransom for all -the Savior of the world -the free gift to all men -the One who is not willing that any should perish -the One who loves the world -The One who waits at the door, Knocking, for us to open it. This is what Scripture says. Belief is not a superpower. By belief in Christ, we contribute nothing to our salvation. By putting our faith in Christ, we do not save ourselves. Faith in Christ saves us because of Who our faith is in. Not because of who has the faith. There are no verses that describe the lost being predestined for conversion. Predestination is referring to future promises for believers. Adoption, glorification, resurrection, and the inheritance are all Future promises that lay ahead for all who believe. Election is for service, first for the purpose of bringing salvation to the world through Israel, and after the Cross, the elect continue that purpose through the spreading of the Gospel. Unbelievers have to purpose, but when they put their faith in Christ, they are given that purpose, that great commission, to teach the Gospel to unbelievers.
"There are no verses that describe the lost being predestined for conversion." You're ignoring those verses telling us that God wrote the names of all His children into the Lamb's Book of Life before the foundation of the earth.
@@dannywilliamson3340 please, a full quotation or citation of the verse you are referencing would be helpful for context. Secondly, those names also can be blotted out. Rev 3:5. In Rev 13:8, the word used is FROM. "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written FROM the foundation of the world in the book of Life of the Lamb who has been slain."
@@andrewmorse2181 Right. The history of God's action stretches all the way into eternity past. See also Eph. 1:4 (KJV). "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love".
@@dannywilliamson3340 Eph 1:4 does not exclude anyone, it simply states that Gods plan from the beginning has been to redeem those who are in Christ and make them holy. Remember, this is not fully finished yet, this is a future promise for those who are In Him. When are believers put In Him? When does that happen?
@@andrewmorse2181 Negative. The gospel is VERY exclusive. Paul's audience there...."us"...are believers, not the world at large. He explicitly said in verse 1, "to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus". God foreknew His children in eternity past. That's why their names are in the Lamb's book. With regard to our "conversion" from death to life, that happens at a time of God's choosing (it's different for all of us), when He awakens us spiritually so that we may understand His word.
For who so ever Believes! Believing is not a work! If Paul were semi-palagian? God did not damn some to Hell and save others to heaven based on a whim! I find it odd his statement about when he reads scripture he doesn't find God fore knowledge or faith before regeneration? The man who was let down through the roof, the servant of the soldier, and so so many more where Jesus said thy faith has made you whole! Faith will always proceed regeneration which requires belief! Calvinist need God to regenerate them first so they don't have to repent! Notice he never mentions repentance at all! So Do you have to be saved before you can repent? This reform theology is nothing more than people making claims they haven't repented of, and makes salvation an exclusive club, but Jesus said come unto me ALL!!!!!
So sad that someone like RC was chosen for hell. Seems like such a man who loves God, but just wasn't chosen. Then there is someone like me who has squandered my life but the roll of godly dice picked me over him. Glad it wasn't up to me. RC thinks he was saved but really isn't because he rolled "snake-eyes". The only work that God requires is to believe on the One whom He has sent. John 6:29
Isn't it funny that Calvinist Christians believe in determinism and atheist scientists believe in determinism. Of course not all scientist believe in it. Not the smart ones. I can't comprehend how a Christian could actually believe it.
Funny? Not nearly as funny as the puny creature made from the dust of the earth thinking he knows as well how to run his life and the universe as the sovereign Creator......the architect of the DNA molecule and the Andromeda Galaxy.
Believe or it's derivative occurs 322 times in the KJV bible. trust or it's derivative occurs 191 times faith or it 's derivative occurs 360 times whosoever will ........................68 times come unto me .........................26 times Just a question Why.....WHY ....WHY , did God even give us his word If we didn't even have the capacity to respond. RC's total depravity without any ability to respond is error. I believe every word of God is true ! 2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Belief of the truth, You ...become the chosen when you believe the truth. Mat 23:37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Luk 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! I would hate to be a prophet and be sabotaged and killed by the ones God has sent me to if he has already chosen them to unbelief. Of course this is ludacris. If you in all honesty see God's call to Jerusalem and their will not to come . How could God ever condemn them if they could not respond. This verse as well as thousands of others prove God's desire for us .... but allows us to exercise our own free will. Calvinism is a doctrine of devils. If we are chosen or condemned without our will, before the foundation of the world, then Satan and all his lies and deceivableness wasn't even needed ....God plan was complete before creation. This doctrine makes God wicked . I know better and I know God is the God of Love and the God of all comfort, and the father of Mercy .. This Doctrine.... Satan loves . That is why I know it's devilish.
I agree with you. I would just add that God is love and perfect justice. I'm not an Arminian and I don't follow to the letter their doctrines, I prefer to stick to what the Bible says and not defend any particular doctrinal stream. I have to say that I've found R.C and John MacArthur's teachings very helpful. I disagree in some areas and I totally agree with them in many others but I do consider them brothers in Christ. That being said, I think that the particular verses that R.C used are a little bit out of proper context. I believe that their intentions are genuine and come from a place of trying to give God all the honor and not take away any credit from Him but I don't think that holding to a non-calvinist view would compromise God's credit for undeserved salvation through faith alone. Here are some verses you might want to consider: 1 Corinthians 9:27: " But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, *I myself should be a castaway.* " Hebrews 12:15: "Looking diligently *lest any man fail of the grace of God;* lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;" John 1:12: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" And the clearest verse that I've found so far. In my interpretation, this describes people who have been bought by the Lord but yet, they will deny Him. In Calvinist terms: They whom God predestined and whom He decided to give His grace to, rejected that grace. 2 Peter 2:1: "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even *denying the Lord that bought them,* and bring upon themselves swift destruction."
Agreed. What a great deception, to convince people that the one thing that is required for salvation, is something they are unable to do. Fortunately all people that are saved are saved by the Gospel, then later some come to Calvinism. Unfortunately, Calvinism then leads many to leave The Way, as we are seeing more and more as time goes by.
@@atinimyataza1961 We’re called to, for one! For two, it’s some of the most soul-enriching things to do in this life, to have God move through you to convey the gospel to someone. That’s been my experience with it at least!
Easy to assert that, but let's see the logical steps in your reasoning. Please prove to us that it does indeed necessarily follow... otherwise it is an assertion without any weight. At least provide a link to someone who does work out the logic. Thanks.
I believe that christians should not try to understand God sovereignity because we can't. If we can understand God then he is not the real God. Starting arguing on God's sovereignity is foolishness. Rather then we should just stick to the Gospel and try to learn about Christ everyday because through Christ are we saved only if we believe in him !!! Trying to understand God's sovereignity will lead to many critical questions which can lead to one to not believing in God.
I'm sorry but Romans 9 is not talking about salvation. From chapter 9 to chapter 11, Paul is concern with his people the israélite. They are been elected for the service and not for salvation. Jacob and Esau has nothing to do with salvation.. Just read the book of romans entirely and you will understand
Predestination is not biblical, while we believed that God is omnipotent however our (will) a God given gift, play a big part on us, that determines where we are to be.
Dear brother , Calvinism /reformed theology as well as Predestination is consistent with the scriptures. God predetermined who would be blameless in Christ before the foundation of The world so that His purpose according to election would stand. "For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love" Ephesians1:4 i see that bible verse but I don't see a bible verse that says for He chose us to be in hell before the foundation of the world theres no verse like that .listen my brother , All of humanity hates God naturally because their sin, its not like some are indifferent and some want to know God but cant ,its this , in your fallen state ,guilty in Adam,you hate God ,you dont want the things of God and you want your own selfish desires . and God ,in His sovereign grace has chosen whom He has chosen to save through the person of Christ and doesn't Christ say "unless you beilieve that I am He ,you will die in your sins"? But doesn't He also say this "whosoever comes to Me I will by no means cast away "? that promise is to all but people that haven't been Regenerated or born again by God's grace through His Holy spirit cannot come because they will not come, they cannot come ,because they will not come since they hate God ,do you see ? And if God doesn't send the wicked to Hell righteously for thier sin then the alternative is God is trying to give everyone grace and save everyone and some are still going to hell anyway....that's not the God of the Bible nor the God of the book of revaluation of Jesus Christ ,i see a Holy Holy Holy, Sovereign, Just, God who imparts common grace to all men,a God Who's will cannot be thwarted executing Righteousness Through damning the wicked to eternal punishment due to their sin and His Righteousness or executing Righteousness Through mercy based upon the Finished perfect work of Christ allowing the elect to enter eternal life and no one can say to Him "what have you done " because He has only done right and will only do what is right ,He doesn't change Hes immutable. God doesn't choose for someone to go to hell ,it's that God chooses not to give mercy and even in that brother ,He's not obligated to.The fact that a righteous God would show mercy to 1 sinner is miraculous and extraordinary. The mercy that grants one to come to Christ ,God is not obligated to give and if you think He's obligated to give it or wrong for not giving it after someone has sinned which all have, thats evil brother and I hope you don't think that , to expect grace when its not deserved. If we possessed deserved grace we would be able to boast but "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast." This is what's so glorious about God ;God is not obligated to give grace to any man or woman and has every reason not to but He chooses to impart grace anyways through His Son in spite of their sin....and then you have the promise from the Lord Jesus Christ Almighty Himself "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day." i tell you this because I love you brother Sincerely a brother in Christ
@@livesoul thank you, but I simply reject what the Calvinists thinks they have to wrestle with. I see the text in the way that all the Father's (except Augustine) saw it. Corporate election for service and the place of Israel is the theme of this section of Paul's letter to the Romans (as verses 30 - 33 make clear) ... and of course it depends on God choosing, for example, Jacob over Essau; but this is simply not referring to an arbitrary and unilateral act of God in electing individuals to either heaven or Hell. God "bearing with great patience the objects of His wrath prepared for destruction" is related with His longsuffering of those who do not repent. "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world but to save the world through him. Whoever believes is not condemned; but whoever does not believe stands condemned already" ✌️
@@emilesturt3377 Augustine was influenced mostly by his mother growing up as a Christian. You can read his biography and find out. You don’t have to believe anybody else about it.
@@aletheia8054 Very true. But he was also a manichean for 10 years before his Christian conversion, and in the pelagian controversy, this greatly influenced his novel introductions. Fact. He is called the blessed Augustine in the Eastern churches, but not a "St" Father of the Church because of these changes.
@@emilesturt3377 You might wanna read the biography for yourself and quit relying on other people. Lots of kids get involved in things when they go off to college. Then they change later in their life to a complete opposite direction of what they did in college. They often go back to the roots of their parents. That’s what Augustine did
No! God does 100 percent of what needs to be done. Acceptance of a free gift is not a work of self righteousness 😂 Why do the calvinists struggle with this simple reality. God is just!
This teachings sounds so accurate and so super spiritual; but R. C. Sproul you have messed up the doctrine of predestination according to what the pattern of the scriptures state. * The bible is written as a covenant book; and according to Heb 8-7-8 both the old and the new covenants were made with the house of Israel and the house of Judea. The covenant was not made with the Calvinists nor with any other church franchise of God; such as the full gospel churches; charismatics or traditional churches. If predestination was established by God before He created all of creation; then it is pointless for Jesus who is speaking on behalf of God to tell His disciples to preach the gospel to anyone; and it is a total waste of time for Jesus to die on the cross for the sins of mankind; because in the doctrine of predestination God has already chosen for everyone; whether one goes to hell or to heaven. The way R.C Sproul and other pastors and theologians explained PREDESTINATION makes the words of Jesus a total contradict of what he says God accomplished with predestination. * The doctrine of predestination must be viewed in the context of the old covenant and the new covenants. The foundation of the WORLD is the Greek word KOSMOU. * KOSMOU is the Greek word used in the bible for the first generation of Jewish old covenant people who are following God in Christ. (This is the 42 generation that is missing in the genealogy of Jesus in Matt 1-1-17; when you count themthey are only 21) * And this started on Pentecost in Acts 2--1-4; and Paul called this the new creation in Christ in 2 Cor 5-17. * The term PREDESTINATION is only referring to the first generation of Jewish believers in Christ who were alive before the cross; and they were predestined after they were born in the old covenant to be predestined in Christ for the purpose of the transition from the old covenant into the new covenant in the time period between the cross and AD70. * People who are alive in today's society who are following God in Christ were not predestined in Christ simply because they were not alive before the cross to be used in the transition from the old covenant into the covenant. * It is so simple so understand predestination when it is taught in the pattern of the covenant. * ALL OF TODAYS church doctrines are taught outside of the pattern of the covenant; that is why there is so much confusion and false doctrines in today's churches. For example. If a 25yr old man writes a letter to the lady he has proposed to marry: Saying; I'm looking forward to our wedding day; our honeymoon; buying a house; settling down and having children; and her 90yr old granny gets this letter and reads it thinking it's for her? This is an example of the way people interpret the scriptures; not all the scriptures in the bible are written to us or for us in today's churches. And the more respected these theologians are; the more damage they cause when they do not teach the scriptures according to the correct pattern *
Sorry dr. Sproul, Spiritually dead does not mean that you are totally dead that you cannot respond to the call of God, but it means you lost fellowship with God, but you can sill answer the call of God...
The hoaxer Christian writers, who fabricated the resurrection hoax by making up fake testimonials that the disciples have witnessed an empty tomb & a risen Jesus, didn’t know that a sin-sacrifice-resurrection story implies a superstitious God who values blood-sacrifice, which was common back then - e.g. sacrificing a goat for a new home. The superstitious early folks who valued blood sacrifice created the God of the Bible in their own image.
If predestination was just God looking thru his cosmic telescope into the future and see who will accept the gospel and who wont, and then “elects” those who accepts then this is not election but just rubber-stamping. In essence that rubber stamping has no meaning or purpose because according to the same logic it is the persons deciding that saves them. So what was the point of the rubber-stamping then? Its not even needed and is worthless. Its just a waste of divine time on God’s part. Yet the scriptures teach in Romans 8:30 30And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. Notice here that before even calling the predestination is already there. Man’s decision comes between being called and being justified. Because his response is to the call which is the call of the gospel to repent and accept Christ. Saying that election is based on the response is NOT election. It goes against the meaning of the word i.e. “to elect” and reduces it to mere rubberstamping. Because what purpose does election serve if it depends on man’s decision.
Is God sovereign or is man, that He created, sovereign? Think about it. It's not a tough choice. Well, it is if you are currently attending, or are a recent product of, a gov't school where logic is not taught but instead is anathema. Thank you God for giving us R. C. Sproul.
@markwil, can you prove that Jacob was not predestined to be saved and Esau to be damned.. You Arminian and Provisionist deny that God predestined some to be saved and some to be damned...
That's not even what predestination is about. The answer is in Ephesians 1:12-13. Read it I've and over with the preceding verses with prayer until you finally see it. Btw, there is no such thing as god the holy spirit. This message is Babylonian at its core.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
@@aletheia8054 There are no verses about the lost being predestined for conversion. As seen in the above verses predestination is about Future promises for believers. Adoption, Glorification, inheritance are all future promises, started once someone trusts in Christ, and finished at the end. In Calvinism, those who reject Christ only do so because He first rejected them.
@@aletheia8054 What a weird response. Being conformed to the image of Christ is sanctification, an ongoing process, I'm assuming that neither of us is perfectly like Christ, correct? This is then completed when He returns, and believers are given a new body, and fully renewed and restored to Full Sonship, the completed adoption as Sons of God, humanity fully restored, and Fully Glorified. Conversion is the beginning of true relationship with Christ, not the destination.
@@singwithpowerinfo5815 "Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?" (Proverbs 20:24) Ps: "It is God that maketh my way perfect"---Holy Spirit from Psalm 18 !!
@@johnstewart4350 Ah. You believe that the Bible is of god. I do not. The Bible has the same authority as the Harry Potter books or The Three Little Pigs. There’s good stuff in all of them. No authority.
@@singwithpowerinfo5815 The Holy Bible is no ordinary book. It is not a human book. The Bible is God's inspired and infallible Word-God's Book. It is the Book which God has given to His people to teach them the Truth which they must believe and the godly life which they must live. That is why the Bible is so important for every believer. Without the Holy Scriptures the believer has no Word of God. He has no standard of what is the Truth and what is the lie, what is righteous and what is wicked. The words in the Holy Bible are spiritual from the Holy Spirit which belongs to Jesus Christ. They are written by God and they take effect when sown in a person's heart. They overcome our flesh. The truth of Christianity comes from the Bible. Every essential doctrine is found in Scripture. They are not found by an individual revelation or tradition. They concentrate on God-His nature and His dealing with mankind in relation to our salvation. How one is saved and forgiven of their sins and brought into a relationship with God. The divine inspiration of Scripture: the assurance of the Bible (66 Books) being infallible and inerrant as the Word of God having the power of God. Without the infallibility and inerrancy of scripture, we could not know who Jesus is or what He has done. Jesus Christ is the eternal God, being both God and man, lived a sinless life. The death of Christ on the cross for the sins of mankind being God's only means for salvation. As Jesus pointed to the Scripture constantly for the fulfillment of what he did. Repentance and confession of own sins are both needed before any one can be born again. The spiritual birth of God in His Son, but nothing more can be added than that which is included in the word "believe". It is therefore enough to believe in Jesus Christ for ones salvation. Without the infallibility and inerrancy of Scripture, we could not know who Jesus is or what he has done. The Bible being the word of God-infallible signifies the quality of neither misleading nor being misled and so safeguards in categorical terms the truth that Holy Scripture is a sure, safe and reliable rule and guide in all matters. Similarly, inherent signifies the quality of being free from all falsehood or mistakes that safeguards the truth of Holy Scripture being entirely true and trustworthy in all its claims. God moved upon holy men who walked with him and obeyed him, they wrote the scripture that is delivered to us today. The Lord made certain that His revelation about Himself was recorded without error in the original documents. Scripture alone is said to be "God-breathed" or inspired. The Gospel is the center point of God and man being reconciled to have fellowship. The Gospel-Resurrection Christ illumination is the ministry of the Holy Spirit to believers teaching them all things from the close canon of Scripture through study. A believer is to be equipped by the Word for the purpose of glorifying God in our lives.
It’s comments like these…who/what are you helping when you post this kind of comment? There’s no discussion of the video’s contents, no reference in the Bible to refute them. You just say “I don’t think God is like that” and move on.
@@enfire2146couldn't agree more. Romans 9: 8-14 confirms exactly just this with Old Testament examples how beautiful the Holy Spirit inspired word of God was written by the Apostle Paul. Love you Lord 🤍 Thank you for your grace and mercy wich neither we wretches deserve. In Your Son's name our Savior and King Yeshua. Amen 🤍✝️
Still makes zero sense. Calvinism teaches people are chosen for heaven or hell before the foundation of the world. If not a single person shares the gospel, the people chosen for heaven will still go to heaven, and those not chosen are still going to hell. It is literally a done deal. The chosen won't be lost if they don't hear the gospel, and those not chosen will still be damned even if they do hear the gospel. Is the reason Jesus told us to share the gospel simply a means to rub it in to the lost that hell is their future and nothing can change that?
Sorry dr. Sproul, Spiritually dead does not mean that you are totally dead that you cannot respond to the call of God, but it means you lost fellowship with God, but you can sill answer the call of God...
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I gotta say, I’ve really been on the free will view for a long time. But this view is more humbling, it makes me more grateful. It makes me feel as if I didn’t do any work (I didn’t). It makes me want to really sanctify my heart in Christ. Loved the message.
Brilliant!
Thank you Lolo R. C.
God is never unjust.
Hahaha
Lord Jesus bless you all..❤
How is predestination not biblical when it’s literally, explicitly in the Bible!?
If you call out to God: he will answer.
The good ole days. Long before social media and TH-cam turned good men into cultic personalities.
Sproul at his best!
As a heathen outsider, I can say two things about this: 1) this type of predestination makes the most sense and seems the most theological sound based on the Bible. If I am justly destined for hell, I could understand and accept that. The odds suggest that this is overwhelmingly likely, and; 2) i have seen several video presentations by R. C. and this one by far and away shows his best hair style 😆
"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you" (John 10:26).
Those who do not believe are not His sheep. Don’t infer Calvinism, it is not there!
@@goodshorts "I will pardon them whom I reserve"
@@goodshorts CALVINISM IS CHRISTIANITY !!
So concise and powerful. So humbling
God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him should not parish, have everlasting life
Whosoever.!!!
@@philhenry8227 anyone in the world can believe, that is whosoever
@@goodshorts EXACTLY!!!
Use a concordance for the word “believe” in that passage.
@@jasonpadula4916 pisteuō
pist-yoo'-o
From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
Then why did Jesus say to believe?
There is good reason people struggle with this view. Our God-given conscience warns us about it. That interpretation of Romans 9 is not taking the context of the letter into consideration. The main purpose of the letter is to show how Israel is rejected as the chosen in favour of all persons of faith in Christ, a reinterpretation of the covenant. The passage read is talking about God's decision of Jacob's over Esau's descendents to carry forth God's redemptive plan. The expression used "Jacob He loved, Esau He hated" is used in other places in the Bible to mean choosing one over the other (Jesus told us to "hate" our families for example). "God wants everyone to be saved and to fully understand the truth." 1 Timothy 2:4
Explain further
I'm sorry Chum but you are being mislead. RC Sproul's interpretation is correct. We all want to be in control of our destination, but we aren't. Like it or not HE is in control!!! Not us. And that is what one must accept. We Must submit to Him to be saved. If we can't submit, then we were not chosen!
Wow the skeptics in the comments are really going at it. Really fighting against the sovereignty of God and imagining their own human sovereignty is equal to or greater than God’s.
Appreciate, if any Calvinist could furnish me with bible verses on Calvin's teaching on decreed of God in relation to double-predestination? Thank you.
The many who object to the biblical doctrine of predestination and election miss the key point, the point of everything, from Genesis to Revelation: that God would be glorified! And he is glorified in the demonstration of His attributes. He is holy, just, merciful, loving, kind, good, righteous, immutable, incorruptible, immanent, transcendent, perfect, sovereign, wise, eternal, to name a few.
He will be glorified by putting all of these on display, to us and to the angels. God has ordained all that will come to pass, even the rejection of His Son by many, so that His justice and righteousness will be demonstrated. He elects to save many to demonstrate His grace, love and mercy.
And if you don't like this then you have no idea who God is, you don't know your bible, and who are you, oh man, who answers back to God? He will be glorified in the way that He has chosen! And, fortunately, He will be glorified in spite of this open-theistic, humanistic, man-centered, semi-Pelagian cancer that has infiltrated the church. Go read the prophets. Learn who God is.
Look at RC with a pompadour! Boy, do I miss this teacher. He ran a beautiful race
The hope of the believer in Jesus flows from the free, sovereign love of Almighty God; therefore it is called "a good hope through grace;" "good," because it issues from the fountain of goodness; "through grace," because it originates solely in unmerited mercy.
This hope rests upon an immovable foundation, even on the divinity and atonement of Jesus Christ, who is called by the Spirit of Truth "our hope;" because all our hope of salvation is treasured up in him, and flows from him.
All who possess this hope, have Christ dwelling in their hearts by faith; therefore, says the apostle, "Christ in you, the hope of glory." The Spirit of Christ is the pledge and seal of future glory, and abides in the hearts of all the faithful in Christ Jesus.
The Christian's hope is "a living hope." It gives the believer vigor in running the race that is set before him. It animates him in his arduous warfare. It enables him to endure, with patience and fortitude, the rugged path through which he has to travel Zionward.
The Christian's hope is "full of immortality." It traverses the valley of the shadow of death, and opens to his view the boundless prospect of eternal glory. It gathers by delightful anticipation many a precious cluster of the grapes of Eshcol, and thus gives a foretaste of the joys of heaven.
The Christian's hope "makes not ashamed, because the love of God is shed abroad in his heart, by the Holy Spirit who is given unto him." It forms a divine evidence of his union to Christ. He can now say with Paul, "I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes." He is not ashamed to confess Christ before men, as his only hope of glory.
He can declare with humble confidence and heartfelt sincerity, "I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day."
The Christian's hope is "a helmet of salvation," which covers his head in the day of battle, when the fiery darts of Satan are leveled against him. It is "an anchor of the soul," both sure and steadfast, which preserves the tempest tossed soul from being driven into the ocean of doubts and despondencies, or dashed against the rocks of presumption or despair.
Surely, then, it is "a blessed hope." All who possess it are blessed. This made the apostle pray so sweetly for the Roman converts; "Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost."
Oh that I may approach you at all times sprinkled with the atoning blood, until I awake in the mansions of glory, where hope shall be swallowed up in the enjoyment of your everlasting love.
Beautiful, magnificent
@johnstewart4350
WHAT is the BIBLICAL Docrtrine
of ELECTION and PREDESTINA
TION?
Jesus revealed this doctrine of
Election and Predestination in
the parable of Wheat and Tares
In this parable, Jesus revealed
the doctrine of election and pre
destination..and who are those
people who are predestined to
be saved, and those predestined
to be burned in the lake of fire..
Jesus revealed in this parable
that those who are predestined
to be saved are the children of
God literally..
And those who are predestined
to be cast to the Lake of fire
are the children of the devil
literally..
Adam and his descendants are
the children of God because
Adam is a true son of God as
revealed in Luke 3:38...
Cain and his descendants are
the children of the devil
because Cain is the seed of the
serpent(devil) as mentioned in
Genesis 3:15...
Cain is not the son of Adam, he
is not included in the Genealogy
of Adam in Genesis 5...
Cain has his own Genealogy in
Genesis 4.. all the descendants
of Cain are very evil people like
him...
Jesus revealed in this parable
also that there are only 2 kinds
of people in the world, they are
the children of God literally and
the children of the devil literally
The children of God are called
Elect, and the children of the
devil are called reprobates...
Sometimes Jesus called the
Elect Sheep and the Reprobate
Goat.. All the Elect are
predestined to be saved, and
all the Reprobates are
predestine to be burned in the
Lake of Fire...
Jesus gave His Life only for the
Sheep(Elect) John 10:15
EXAMPLE of the children of the
devil can be found in John 8:44
EXAMPLE of the children of God
can be found in Psalm 82:6 and
in Romans 8:14..
Having the knowledge of the
Parable of Wheat and Tares
can answer the age-old
Mystery of what will happen
to a newly born child who
died or to the unborn fetus
who died in the womb..
GOD BLESS YOU ALL WHO
BELIEVES IN THIS REVELATION
OF JESUS IN THE PARABLE
OF WHEAT and TARES...
the apostles when they heard Jesus say "follow me", they left their jobs and follow Jesus. Were they possesed by the power of Jesus' words or simply predestined?
God creates with his words.
@@aletheia8054 Agree. But does God violates the free will of man if He command a person to do a certain task by the power of His Word? Just trying to narrow down the very meaning of what predestination is really all about.
@@roderickcruz5234 There’s no such thing as a “freewill”.
Predestination is about God’s family.
@@aletheia8054 Do you mean God, by only saying the Word, can command us to love (agape) Him back?
My understanding of predestination is this. God has predestined people who will execute His Prophetic Plan He established fron the beginning up to the end. And those He called will automatically belong to God's family, but there are those who will not be, as in Rev. 21, it talks about Kings and nations in the New Heaven and New Earth. In Matthew 25, it teaches that nations will be sorted out in the end, separating the sheep from the goats. And for those predestined will be judged by rewards at the Judgemnt Seat of Christ. So there you see the clear definition of predestination. God set apart a people to Himself to become instrument in accomplishing His Righteous plan of Salvation and Redemption of His Creation through His Christ. He will also set apart nations by His Righteousness at the Mercy Seat of Christ that will be present at Great White Throne Judgment, where all the dead that will come out of Hades/Outer Darkness/Prison will have to face judgment, be it be thrown to the Lake of Fire as mercy Killing, or be Pardoned to live on through the New Heaven and New Earth (Restored Eden), as the nations outside New Jerusalem, to be ruled by kings, the predestined and set apart people of God, the Wife of the Lamb.
@@roderickcruz5234 You might want to invest in some Bible encyclopedia.
Start looking up terms and words in the Bible.
You can download a Strongs and McClintock encyclopedia for free online. Read about the word “heavens”
New heavens doesn’t mean the sky. New earth does it mean the planet
Nations doesn’t mean always nation states.
What you’re reading is the translation of ancient terms. You need to learn the Greek and the Hebrew terms and what they meant to the ancient peoples
You can’t just read it in English and assume you know what it’s talking about. That will mess your theology up.
What is going on here. R C Sproul died December 14 2017. That was like 8 years ago?
This is just an upload of an older sermon
This doctrine I fought against and argued vehemently but later realized I was DEAD WRONG 🙏
@kenthepen247gmail You need to rekindle your fight and argument against Calvinistic "predestination". Genesis 6:6 debunks Calvinism's false teaching that He "predestined" everything including the fall of man, sin, and evil. Calvinists also believe that God created man and then INTENTIONALLY predestined his fall and predestined sin and evil. If that is true, then it makes no logical sense for God to feel regret and be deeply troubled afterwards. Hence, the errant belief that God predestined the fall of man is debunked and blown out of the water.
Genesis 6:6 - The Lord REGRETTED that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was DEEPLY TROUBLED.
If YOU create something and then intentionally engineer it for FAILURE, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE FEELING REGRET AND BE TROUBLED AFTERWARDS. If you deliberately and intentionally create a passenger airliner where it will explode in mid air killing hundreds of passengers, then you would not be feeling regret and be troubled afterwards. I mean after all, you created it to explode, why would you feel regret and be troubled afterwards?
Calvinism's wicked teaching that God predestined man's fall, sin, and evil is based upon a perverted understanding of such passages like Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6. However, the context of those passages is clearly explained by many passages in the book of Jeremiah and other Old Testament books. The passages in those books explain that God brings evil, disaster, and calamity upon nations and people when they are living in disobedience, unfaithfulness, and wickedness. God brings those things upon nations and individuals as punishment and as a wake up call. These passages include Jeremiah 16:10-12, Jeremiah 5:19, 2 Chronicles 7:21-22, 1 Kings 9:8-9, etc.
Calvinism's demonic teaching makes God the author of sin and evil and in essence exonerates Satan and man. There is double talk and contradiction in Calvinism regarding whether or not God is the author of sin and evil. Calvinism's wicked teaching is a direct attack on the true nature and character of God. God's foreknowledge of the Inquisition, the Holocaust, Pearl Harbor, Dec 7, 1941, the Rape of Nanking 1937, and the 9/11 Terrorist attacks does NOT equal to God intentionally and deliberately making those atrocities happen. Those atrocities happened due to the innate evil and wickedness of men's hearts.
James 1:13-14 - When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” FOR GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED BY EVIL, NOR DOES HE TEMPT ANYONE; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away BY THEIR OWN EVIL DESIRE and enticed.
Jeremiah 32:35 - They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I NEVER COMMANDED -NOR DID IT ENTER MY MIND-that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin.
@@wtom04helpful direction. Thanks
@@wtom04God orchestrated the death of the only innocent one in this world. And His wrath and also sadness and all kinds of emotions were on display including the torn veil. God is only unfair, wicked, and should be upset for for bringing evil people into his presence..
@@wtom04Keep fighting Almighty God son of dust !
I’ve got a fair idea of who’s going to win ........
Really? How do you know you are dead wrong? Sproul's views rest on Calvinism and Augustine and really it rests on what God can and cannot do and will and will not do. How is it possible that Sproul' is 100% certain of God's abilities? These are grey areas where not even the Bible covers it sufficiently.
The question that inevitably comes up is "why did man need grace at all," and this, if your logically consistent, takes you to a very dark and depressing place.
@sbag11, What? Grace takes you to a very dark and depressing place? Can you elaborate further?
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo I didn't say grace takes us to a dark place -- the reason we need it does. Ask yourself why we needed grace at all, to begin with.
@@sbag11 ,
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"
(Ephesians 2:8)
Now tell me why don't we need grace..
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo Your lack of listening is astounding. You’re just following the Calvinist line, giving a canned response to a claim no one was making, then smugly asking a question irrelevant to the issue and acting like you scored some sort of “gotcha” when in reality all you did was reveal your own ignorance and lack of humility. I NEVER SAID WE DIDN’T NEED GRACE.
Now, if you want to have a real, rational conversation, that’s fine. But in order to do so, you need to employ your ears and actually think, rationally, about the point I am alluding to. So, let me pose the question again: WHY did we need grace in the first place?
@@sbag11 The best answer I can offer to your question is that God is showing us one of His attributes, i.e. that He is gracious. You could ask Why did God allow Eve to be deceived by the serpent so that Adam sinned and passed death upon all men (Romans 5:12) It should be enough for us to know that God only knows the answer.
I guess he figured out God. No mystery left, under calvinism we know God's will. Uh oh.. but wait a minute.. we still dont know if we are elect or just a reprobate under temporal grace to evangelize to the elect, then to be tossed out. Quite a dilemma we have.
If we God knows who will be saved then why evangelize ? I'm stuck on the great Commission Matthew 28
because you are commanded to
Because the reason someone is saved may be from your evangelism!
Newscaster the Lord commands us to participate in growing his kingdom. Our evangelism is one of his means by which his good Word spreads. He didn't have to allow our participation but he does. Because, like everything else, it brings him glory! That is our purpose in life as believers... to glorify God & enjoy him forever.
@@aejmama4111 Amen!! 🙌🏼
Faith comes by hearing. At your regeneration, God made you capable of discerning the truth of His word. But you have to hear it proclaimed by the evangelist. You didn't get the Word by osmosis.
Very clear teaching
Yes, clear teaching. But clearly wrong, unbiblical & heretical.
@@stephenhowe4107 were is your biblical rebuttal for me to watch or read?
Dig the hairstyle😂
As a good Calvinist, he caricatures what non-Calvinists believe.
what?
@Desaprendiendo,
WHAT is the BIBLICAL Docrtrine
of ELECTION and PREDESTINA
TION?
Jesus revealed this doctrine of
Election and Predestination in
the parable of Wheat and Tares
In this parable, Jesus revealed
the doctrine of election and pre
destination..and who are those
people who are predestined to
be saved, and those predestined
to be burned in the lake of fire..
Jesus revealed in this parable
that those who are predestined
to be saved are the children of
God literally..
And those who are predestined
to be cast to the Lake of fire
are the children of the devil
literally..
Adam and his descendants are
the children of God because
Adam is a true son of God as
revealed in Luke 3:38...
Cain and his descendants are
the children of the devil
because Cain is the seed of the
serpent(devil) as mentioned in
Genesis 3:15...
Cain is not the son of Adam, he
is not included in the Genealogy
of Adam in Genesis 5...
Cain has his own Genealogy in
Genesis 4.. all the descendants
of Cain are very evil people like
him...
Jesus revealed in this parable
also that there are only 2 kinds
of people in the world, they are
the children of God literally and
the children of the devil literally
The children of God are called
Elect, and the children of the
devil are called reprobates...
Sometimes Jesus called the
Elect Sheep and the Reprobate
Goat.. All the Elect are
predestined to be saved, and
all the Reprobates are
predestine to be burned in the
Lake of Fire...
Jesus gave His Life only for the
Sheep(Elect) John 10:15
EXAMPLE of the children of the
devil can be found in John 8:44
EXAMPLE of the children of God
can be found in Psalm 82:6 and
in Romans 8:14..
Having the knowledge of the
Parable of Wheat and Tares
can answer the age-old
Mystery of what will happen
to a newly born child who
died or to the unborn fetus
who died in the womb..
GOD BLESS YOU ALL WHO
BELIEVES IN THIS REVELATION
OF JESUS IN THE PARABLE
OF WHEAT and TARES...
So, what’s a good Calvinist in your eyes? You have truly been deceived by one who wears sheep’s clothing
@@philhenry8227 I meant "as a consistent Calvinist".
The beliefs of those who reject reformed theology don't have to be caricatured. They're already a caricature.
Predestination example 1: Its kind of like this. A man’s wife is finally pregnant and the couple are over joyed. I hope it is a boy the man said and I hope he will be interested in becoming an electrician like me. I also hope he goes into the trade and if he does, I plan for him to take over the family business some day! But I know that these plans that I have made for him, before one of his days of life begin will be entirely up to my son. I cannot force him, I cannot put a gun to his head, I can only encourage and guide him and hope. In other word’s the man has predestined a plan for his son, He has chosen a plan for his son. He has elected to give all this to his son if he so desires it!
Outcome 1 The baby is born and it is a boy. He is interested in his fathers work and goes to electrical trade school, but drops out and becomes a lawyer instead.
Outcome 2 He drops out of school becomes a bum, a drunk or a murderer etc.
Outcome 3 The son follows his fathers predestinated plan, through trade school and takes over his father’s business. The fathers predestined plans for his son will happen, or will not happen, according to the choices the son makes.
Its the same with mankind. There is a master plan given to every human being to know God, reach salvation and eternity in Heaven.
But to follow or reject the plan is the choice given to every individual.
This is the "Good News Gospel" that the Angels proclaimed when the Messiah was born.
Satan has attacked that message from the beginning, twisting it into what is now known as Calvinism or the doctrine of election.
Predestination example 2:
Grandma saves and saves to buy her granddaughter a plane ticket to France. She has been saving for many years and the day finally arrived and she gave her granddaughter her special gift.
The granddaughter goes to the airport and asks the attendant which plane to get on. The attendant says, what is your destination on your ticket? He reads the ticket which says “Destination France.”
He also said that flight 446 is a modern jet that was especially built and destined by the airline to fly exclusively to France for its entire service life. So, this aircraft has been predestined to fly to a predestined location, France.
The girl gets on the plane and is now destined to travel to France on the predestined plane, that has been predestined by its designers, to reach its predestined, destination!
This girl will arrive at her predestined trip that her grandmother predestined years before, as long as she goes to the airport, gets on the right plane and stays on the plane!
All this took place by the choices the granddaughter made.
Predestination example 3: "The man on an island." Imagine a man has been taken to a desolate island with everything he needs to survive and given only a Bible to occupy his time. This man has no preconceived idea about religion so everything he will learn over the next 10 years he will get directly from the Bible and Gods leading.
The man accepts God’s plan of salvation and what he has learned from the Bible. He repents and is born again.
The Holy Spirit is now counselling the man from the inside. He studies intensely for the 10 years growing in his faith and walking closer and closer with God daily.
After 10 years he comes back to the mainland world and decides he needs to fellowship with other Christians as the Bible says he should.
The man approaches a number of different churches and looks through the windows from the outside and says to himself “What are they doing in there what are they saying about God?
How do you think this man will compare what he knows to be true, from what he sees going on in the mainline churches today?
Do you think he will find what the mainline denominations are teaching will be in harmony to what this true follower of Jesus Christ has learned?
You know it won’t be!
It then occurred to me that I am that man.
I became a Christian in the winter of 1980 and didn’t go to any church for 10 years.
I studied on my own directly from the Bible.
I did go to some Bible studies, but basically learned directly by Gods leading.
TRUTH IN LOVE
R.C.Sproul means...... 5-Point Calvinism and calls it Christianity. It is not! Its a heresy and counter to the teaching of Jesus.
Those in Reformed circles think they are defending Christianity, but what they unknowingly often do, is defend the Cult of Calvinism.
Christians are Christ followers!
Calvinists are John Calvin followers!
Nazis are Hitler followers!
Non Christians are Satan followers!
This is what truth looks like:
1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.
Acts 2 :21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off-....
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
@@stevej71393 Christians and honest people use the golden rule of understanding scripture. Explain the seemingly unclear scripture with the perfectly clear scriptures. Liars and Demons use the seemingly unclear scripture to pervert and twist clear scripture to follow their doctrine of Demons of Reformed Calvinism.
It is their choice. Follow a works based prideful false religion, or the truth!
These verses are so clear only a fool could not see what they are saying.
1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.
Acts 2 :21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off-....
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Truth in love
@@stevej71393 Yes both Calvinism, Arminianism, Mormonism, Johovah Witnessism and Catholicism can be justified by differing twisting of scriptures, as they are ALL CULTS! and Heretics. A Christian reads the Bible and lets it say what it says and understands that it means what it says.
Truth in Love
@@truth7416 the scripture you choose has always been convincing to me and the very thought of double predestination makes me shudder but John MacArthur a heretic, surely not. Misguided that he promotes the sovereignty of God incorrectly but he admits himself that there are aspects of this reformed view that he cannot explain. John is not my pastor and my tradition has been very different but he is a brother, no doubt about that.
@@johornbuckle5272 John MacArthur is a godly man. The problem with any denomination is their founders were given a revelation and their followers took it to mean everyone else is wrong. Just like many people in the Church have differing gifts to make a whole, many denomination have a valid piece of the puzzle, and arrogance makes them refuse to have the grace to see that God may have given another tradition another piece of the puzzle. I'm happy I have the Bible and have been exposed to lots Christ honoring traditions and people that love Yeshua. That "I'm of Apollo! I'm of Paul!" garbage makes me cringe.
@Truth ... Mark 8:33 "he rebuked Peter and said, '... you are not setting your mind on God's purposes but on man's' "
Predestination is not the sama as election. Example, Judas is chosen, but not predestined to betray Jesus. Judas's betrayal happen according to situation and resposibility present Judas
It’s strange listening to this. This preacher (presumably) professes to love the truth and love. Not only that, but he loves truth and love incarnate- God. God the omniscient. God the omnipotent. God the perfectly good and just. God the standard for morality itself. God the perfectly merciful and perfectly just. And then he preaches of predestination as if it was not a contradiction in logic.
Let’s suppose that the preacher Sproul is right. Everything is predestined, and not merely seen by God from the start in his omniscience. No, everything is predestined. Adam and Eve had to be cast out of heaven. For what? For their sin? If that were the case, was it not God then who created faulty creation? Would God then not be a liar for calling the creation good? Is God then not the author of evil? If Adam sinned not of his own free will, is Adam then not a robot? Did he not sin by inescapably bad design by God? Incapable of doing anything else, like a robot Adam had no choice of doing anything else then what God, like a powerful programmer “coded” him to do?
Are humans like tennis balls thrown off the table, merely being pulled by gravity to the ground? They are hopelessly doomed to dance to their own deficient design that will end with them in hell? Are not all those who sin and go to hell responsible for their actions? If it’s not them who are responsible for their love of evil- who is? Is it not the author of life then responsible for his creations lack of free will? God created the world with both good and evil, joy and suffering for his own pleasure and amusement. How is this god perfectly good, morale and just?
So if it is by free will that we become saved , then it it useless to pray for an unbeliever to be saved because God would have to say I’ve done all I can I can’t save him it’s now up to him?
Why would you say that. If Calvinism is true then there is no need for prayer at all as everyone is either elect or reprobate and no one can do anything about it. Calvinism also makes the sacrifice of Christ of no meaning as everyone was already predetermined to be either damned or saved NOT based upon any future faith. I have never encountered a more demonic view of God.
@@pipkinrahl7264 your thinking of hyper Calvinism, God predestines sinners to be saved through prayer , the preaching of the gospel, circumstances, looking at creation, loved ones , reading the word . Reconciliation works from the top down not the other way around . My point is , I just don’t see myself standing before God and saying ( I am so glad I made the right choice and chose you) , but instead I will say PRAISE you Lord for saving me even though I was your enemy when you died for me.
@@Terrylb285 There is no such thing as hyper-Calvinism, there is only Calvinism and those who cherry pick from it what they would like to believe. God predestines a the destination of those who choose to believe.
@@pipkinrahl7264 It's a mystery. God chooses to incorporate our prayers for the lost souls into His eternal plan of salvation. Someone was praying for me before I was saved, when I had no desire to know God, just like all of my family now. It has been 30 years.
I cannot ignore 2 Thess 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you brethren beloved of the Lord, because God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth.
Amen!
Difficult subject. Grace is for all . The people of Israel who came out of Egypt we're singing praises as they crossed the reed sea or red sea???. Miriam was full of singing praises,yet she went against Moses authority hence she was struck with leprosy. Again moses wrote in Deuteronomy 28.the curses of Egypt if they disobey him.
Amen yes
It's really simple. Find one single person in The Bible that SOUGHT God before God SOUGHT them. Find one single person that was seeking salvation before they knew God. The answer is absolutely zero. God, in His sovereign will, choose not only people, but an entire nation. And since God in His Holy Trinity is the same today as He was yesterday, and will be tomorrow, the same applies to us today. God chooses based on His own will. Period.
That’s right. It was that way from the beginning. God predestines his family
@mrr7870,
WHAT is the BIBLICAL Docrtrine
of ELECTION and PREDESTINA
TION?
Jesus revealed this doctrine of
Election and Predestination in
the parable of Wheat and Tares
In this parable, Jesus revealed
the doctrine of election and pre
destination..and who are those
people who are predestined to
be saved, and those predestined
to be burned in the lake of fire..
Jesus revealed in this parable
that those who are predestined
to be saved are the children of
God literally..
And those who are predestined
to be cast to the Lake of fire
are the children of the devil
literally..
Adam and his descendants are
the children of God because
Adam is a true son of God as
revealed in Luke 3:38...
Cain and his descendants are
the children of the devil
because Cain is the seed of the
serpent(devil) as mentioned in
Genesis 3:15...
Cain is not the son of Adam, he
is not included in the Genealogy
of Adam in Genesis 5...
Cain has his own Genealogy in
Genesis 4.. all the descendants
of Cain are very evil people like
him...
Jesus revealed in this parable
also that there are only 2 kinds
of people in the world, they are
the children of God literally and
the children of the devil literally
The children of God are called
Elect, and the children of the
devil are called reprobates...
Sometimes Jesus called the
Elect Sheep and the Reprobate
Goat.. All the Elect are
predestined to be saved, and
all the Reprobates are
predestine to be burned in the
Lake of Fire...
Jesus gave His Life only for the
Sheep(Elect) John 10:15
EXAMPLE of the children of the
devil can be found in John 8:44
EXAMPLE of the children of God
can be found in Psalm 82:6 and
in Romans 8:14..
Having the knowledge of the
Parable of Wheat and Tares
can answer the age-old
Mystery of what will happen
to a newly born child who
died or to the unborn fetus
who died in the womb..
GOD BLESS YOU ALL WHO
BELIEVES IN THIS REVELATION
OF JESUS IN THE PARABLE
OF WHEAT and TARES...
@mrr7870,
Trinity is not a biblcal doctrine, if it is a biblical doctrine you can define it..
Oh & by the way...I realize it's me a little ol, nobody vs Mr R..Sproul...a Scholar of Reknown...ya trust me I get it...but if God needed.." Scholars...He certainly wouldn't have chosen...Fisher men of all people to do His bidding...again 2Cor.1:27-31.... & that's me..." a base thing of the...world...& if the condition of our church hes are anything to go by...its a real honor to be a base thing of the world...for Christ...see also Phil.3:1-11..." & do count them but...DUNG..for that excellent knowledge of Christ...." that begins with the Gospel of Christ..1Pet.1:23-25... all scripture..fm the AV/ KJV...Why??? Nothing,s missing...revised...or omitted...
@@benneisam yes but what's @ issue here is...HOW this diverse group of people became the children of God...not the fact that they are diverse fm... all walks of life...i.e.the dif' btw...The Christ...& the Calvinist...that's the point of contention... here...HOW they are ....saved...not who
If God is God, why did he let Satan come into the Garden? I’ll tell you: because God would be an unfair God if he gave us free choice, but then no choices what choice did they have? God spoke to them, and if they didn’t hear anything else but God, what’s the point of free choice? That’s why he let the serpent in God says something, the serpent says something else, and they believe the serpent and choose to disobey God because God is Holy, they had to separate from God in sin and ever since there’s been a war and the war one day will end when every single person on the planet hears about Jesus has the same opportunity as Adam and Eve.
That's not true @ all..." prescience..." Predestination..." or foreknowledge has nothing to do w/ who will Choose Christ & who will not...of course God knows who will & who will...not be saved...why would God have to " choose/elect..." those who are already...offered the Grace to be saved...if they,ve already been Chosen/Elected to be saved...???? If a person can Choose to " SERVE..." God....or not to " SERVE..." God...they can certainly Choose to be " SAVED"...or not to be..." SAVED..JOS.24:15... only SAVED People can Serve God...& they,re not Predestinated to " SERVE.." any more than they,re Predestinated to be " SAVED...just bc God knows Who will & Who wont be Saved....doesnt mean He Chooses or Elects Who will & Who won't be Saved...!!! yeah I know what ya thinking..its Mr R.C.Sproul...the Scholar...Extraordinaire...vs..little ol, Mr Nobody...yeah I get it....but God uses the base things of the world to confuse the wise..1Cor.1:27-31...& that's me...Mr.base thing of the world...!! Why?? " That my Faith should not stand in the wisdom of...men but in the Power of God..." WHY???? That no Flesh ( men ) should ever...ever..Glory in His Presence..!@ that's Why...1Cor.1:29 goes to Mt.15:1-20..." & why do you transgress the commandment of God...BY your traditions..." & Mt.16:5-12..." beware of the LEAVEN....( Corruption) of the Pharisees..." or in this case...Catholic Calvinism...Christ said to those Religious Rulers of His day...& the Religious Rulers of our day..." you will....NOT come to me that you might have...Life.." Never said they...CANT..said they....WONT!!! & as soon as ya take man,s free will out of the equation..ya dealing with another Gospel...regardless of how " Scholastic..." it may appear...to.....be...oh & our Lord never said...they CANT come to Him bc they were..NOT Elected or Chosen to do...
so..." Predestination" belongs to those who are already....SAVED....!! Eph.1:1-14....get it...V11..." being Predestinated..." V12..." Who first Trusted...Christ...." V14...Predestinated to be sealed with the Holy Spirit of...Promise..."...V13..not 14...V14..is the down payment as it were..
I completely agree with him. If predestination is thrown out based on human sentiments then you need to throw out the whole Bible. The doctrine of the Trinity will boggle the mind and will appear lunatic if we used human sentiments about the triune God who is three persons and yet 1 monotheistic deity in essence. Most believers has no problem accepting the doctrine of Trinity but will vehemently oppose the doctrine of election and predestination because its in conflict with human sentiments about “fairness”. But this is plainly taught in the scriptures. If we let scriptures say what they say, then this is what it says.
You really have to wonder about RC’s mental state.
How are you suppose to say that? Without knowing/studying this doctrine.
@@mcrey000 Well sir I have studied this doctrine and it is complete nonsense. As far as RC 🤔, he’s a wolf.
You’re funny….uneducated…but funny. 😂
@@erniemalone2822 yep, pert neer gradiated grayed skool. Thin desidud 2 gut mes lernun freim out of da finny bukes an tarwt mesuf 2 Reid un rite. Taint u gelis! Werf u got urine lernen frum!
what is it to you to say what God decides to give freely. not for you to judge, over God. not by your own knowledge.
In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, "they have also built the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings to Baal, which I did NOT COMMAND or speak, nor did it come into My mind)" So, who do we believe, Jeff Durbin, RC Sproul, James White, John Piper or God Almighty and His Holy Word, the Bible? So, while God does predestine some things, this verse says clearly NOT everything. It's like a university predestining a football team but giving free will to players themselves to decide whether or not to come out for that team.
Under Calvinism, there is no true rejection of Christ.
Those who reject him only do so because he first rejected them.
You can't reject something that was never offered to you in the first place.
All of these analogies are just that, analogies.
Christ said he came to save the lost, the sick, the unrighteous.
Christ is the:
-propitiation of the sins of the world
-the ransom for all
-the Savior of the world
-the free gift to all men
-the One who is not willing that any should perish
-the One who loves the world
-The One who waits at the door, Knocking, for us to open it.
This is what Scripture says.
Belief is not a superpower.
By belief in Christ, we contribute nothing to our salvation.
By putting our faith in Christ, we do not save ourselves.
Faith in Christ saves us because of Who our faith is in. Not because of who has the faith.
There are no verses that describe the lost being predestined for conversion.
Predestination is referring to future promises for believers. Adoption, glorification, resurrection, and the inheritance are all Future promises that lay ahead for all who believe.
Election is for service, first for the purpose of bringing salvation to the world through Israel, and after the Cross, the elect continue that purpose through the spreading of the Gospel.
Unbelievers have to purpose, but when they put their faith in Christ, they are given that purpose, that great commission, to teach the Gospel to unbelievers.
"There are no verses that describe the lost being predestined for conversion." You're ignoring those verses telling us that God wrote the names of all His children into the Lamb's Book of Life before the foundation of the earth.
@@dannywilliamson3340 please, a full quotation or citation of the verse you are referencing would be helpful for context.
Secondly, those names also can be blotted out. Rev 3:5.
In Rev 13:8, the word used is FROM.
"All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written FROM the foundation of the world in the book of Life of the Lamb who has been slain."
@@andrewmorse2181 Right. The history of God's action stretches all the way into eternity past. See also Eph. 1:4 (KJV). "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love".
@@dannywilliamson3340 Eph 1:4 does not exclude anyone, it simply states that Gods plan from the beginning has been to redeem those who are in Christ and make them holy. Remember, this is not fully finished yet, this is a future promise for those who are In Him.
When are believers put In Him? When does that happen?
@@andrewmorse2181 Negative. The gospel is VERY exclusive. Paul's audience there...."us"...are believers, not the world at large. He explicitly said in verse 1, "to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus". God foreknew His children in eternity past. That's why their names are in the Lamb's book. With regard to our "conversion" from death to life, that happens at a time of God's choosing (it's different for all of us), when He awakens us spiritually so that we may understand His word.
For who so ever Believes! Believing is not a work! If Paul were semi-palagian? God did not damn some to Hell and save others to heaven based on a whim! I find it odd his statement about when he reads scripture he doesn't find God fore knowledge or faith before regeneration? The man who was let down through the roof, the servant of the soldier, and so so many more where Jesus said thy faith has made you whole! Faith will always proceed regeneration which requires belief! Calvinist need God to regenerate them first so they don't have to repent! Notice he never mentions repentance at all! So Do you have to be saved before you can repent? This reform theology is nothing more than people making claims they haven't repented of, and makes salvation an exclusive club, but Jesus said come unto me ALL!!!!!
So sad that someone like RC was chosen for hell. Seems like such a man who loves God, but just wasn't chosen. Then there is someone like me who has squandered my life but the roll of godly dice picked me over him. Glad it wasn't up to me. RC thinks he was saved but really isn't because he rolled "snake-eyes". The only work that God requires is to believe on the One whom He has sent. John 6:29
Stop smoking weed.
@@erniemalone2822 sarchasm
Isn't it funny that Calvinist Christians believe in determinism and atheist scientists believe in determinism. Of course not all scientist believe in it. Not the smart ones. I can't comprehend how a Christian could actually believe it.
Funny? Not nearly as funny as the puny creature made from the dust of the earth thinking he knows as well how to run his life and the universe as the sovereign Creator......the architect of the DNA molecule and the Andromeda Galaxy.
Believe or it's derivative occurs 322 times in the KJV bible.
trust or it's derivative occurs 191 times
faith or it 's derivative occurs 360 times
whosoever will ........................68 times
come unto me .........................26 times
Just a question Why.....WHY ....WHY , did God even give us his word If we didn't even have the capacity to respond.
RC's total depravity without any ability to respond is error.
I believe every word of God is true !
2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Belief of the truth, You ...become the chosen when you believe the truth.
Mat 23:37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Luk 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
I would hate to be a prophet and be sabotaged and killed by the ones God has sent me to if he has already chosen them to unbelief. Of course this is ludacris.
If you in all honesty see God's call to Jerusalem and their will not to come . How could God ever condemn them if they could not respond.
This verse as well as thousands of others prove God's desire for us .... but allows us to exercise our own free will.
Calvinism is a doctrine of devils. If we are chosen or condemned without our will, before the foundation of the world, then Satan and all his lies and deceivableness wasn't even needed ....God plan was complete before creation. This doctrine makes God wicked .
I know better and I know God is the God of Love and the God of all comfort, and the father of Mercy ..
This Doctrine.... Satan loves . That is why I know it's devilish.
I agree with you. I would just add that God is love and perfect justice. I'm not an Arminian and I don't follow to the letter their doctrines, I prefer to stick to what the Bible says and not defend any particular doctrinal stream.
I have to say that I've found R.C and John MacArthur's teachings very helpful. I disagree in some areas and I totally agree with them in many others but I do consider them brothers in Christ.
That being said, I think that the particular verses that R.C used are a little bit out of proper context. I believe that their intentions are genuine and come from a place of trying to give God all the honor and not take away any credit from Him but I don't think that holding to a non-calvinist view would compromise God's credit for undeserved salvation through faith alone.
Here are some verses you might want to consider:
1 Corinthians 9:27: " But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, *I myself should be a castaway.* "
Hebrews 12:15: "Looking diligently *lest any man fail of the grace of God;* lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;"
John 1:12: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
And the clearest verse that I've found so far. In my interpretation, this describes people who have been bought by the Lord but yet, they will deny Him. In Calvinist terms: They whom God predestined and whom He decided to give His grace to, rejected that grace.
2 Peter 2:1: "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even *denying the Lord that bought them,* and bring upon themselves swift destruction."
Agreed. What a great deception, to convince people that the one thing that is required for salvation, is something they are unable to do.
Fortunately all people that are saved are saved by the Gospel, then later some come to Calvinism.
Unfortunately, Calvinism then leads many to leave The Way, as we are seeing more and more as time goes by.
Carry this thought to its logical conclusion and you will find out that evangelism is not necessary.
That's where i'm stuck also
@@atinimyataza1961 We’re called to, for one! For two, it’s some of the most soul-enriching things to do in this life, to have God move through you to convey the gospel to someone. That’s been my experience with it at least!
Easy to assert that, but let's see the logical steps in your reasoning. Please prove to us that it does indeed necessarily follow... otherwise it is an assertion without any weight. At least provide a link to someone who does work out the logic. Thanks.
Very palpable sermon. However, the Bible does not have the word Sovereign or Sovereignty. And this worldview rests heavily on it.
I believe that christians should not try to understand God sovereignity because we can't. If we can understand God then he is not the real God.
Starting arguing on God's sovereignity is foolishness.
Rather then we should just stick to the Gospel and try to learn about Christ everyday because through Christ are we saved only if we believe in him !!!
Trying to understand God's sovereignity will lead to many critical questions which can lead to one to not believing in God.
I'm sorry but Romans 9 is not talking about salvation.
From chapter 9 to chapter 11, Paul is concern with his people the israélite.
They are been elected for the service and not for salvation.
Jacob and Esau has nothing to do with salvation..
Just read the book of romans entirely and you will understand
Oh yes, thank you Great biblical scholar
Predestination is not biblical, while we believed that God is omnipotent however our (will) a God given gift, play a big part on us, that determines where we are to be.
Dear brother ,
Calvinism /reformed theology as well as Predestination is consistent with the scriptures. God predetermined who would be blameless in Christ before the foundation of The world so that His purpose according to election would stand. "For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love" Ephesians1:4 i see that bible verse but I don't see a bible verse that says for He chose us to be in hell before the foundation of the world theres no verse like that .listen my brother , All of humanity hates God naturally because their sin, its not like some are indifferent and some want to know God but cant ,its this , in your fallen state ,guilty in Adam,you hate God ,you dont want the things of God and you want your own selfish desires . and God ,in His sovereign grace has chosen whom He has chosen to save through the person of Christ and doesn't Christ say "unless you beilieve that I am He ,you will die in your sins"? But doesn't He also say this "whosoever comes to Me I will by no means cast away "? that promise is to all but people that haven't been Regenerated or born again by God's grace through His Holy spirit cannot come because they will not come, they cannot come ,because they will not come since they hate God ,do you see ? And if God doesn't send the wicked to Hell righteously for thier sin then the alternative is God is trying to give everyone grace and save everyone and some are still going to hell anyway....that's not the God of the Bible nor the God of the book of revaluation of Jesus Christ ,i see a Holy Holy Holy, Sovereign, Just, God who imparts common grace to all men,a God Who's will cannot be thwarted executing Righteousness Through damning the wicked to eternal punishment due to their sin and His Righteousness or executing Righteousness Through mercy based upon the Finished perfect work of Christ allowing the elect to enter eternal life and no one can say to Him "what have you done " because He has only done right and will only do what is right ,He doesn't change Hes immutable. God doesn't choose for someone to go to hell ,it's that God chooses not to give mercy and even in that brother ,He's not obligated to.The fact that a righteous God would show mercy to 1 sinner is miraculous and extraordinary.
The mercy that grants one to come to Christ ,God is not obligated to give and if you think He's obligated to give it or wrong for not giving it after someone has sinned which all have, thats evil brother and I hope you don't think that , to expect grace when its not deserved. If we possessed deserved grace we would be able to boast but "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast."
This is what's so glorious about God ;God is not obligated to give grace to any man or woman and has every reason not to but He chooses to impart grace anyways through His Son in spite of their sin....and then you have the promise from the Lord Jesus Christ Almighty Himself "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day." i tell you this because I love you brother
Sincerely a brother in Christ
Easy to claim, hard to prove. The word literally occurs in the Bible, yet you say it's unbiblical? Maybe you have a different Bible.
I think you have different bible that of Christian
God knew you would say that.
Aside from the fact that it is in the Bible, spelled out with great clarity. Your statement should read”I don’t want predestination to be Biblical.”
Love RC Sproul... I have no time for Augustinian Calvinism though. I love Jesus Christ... not too keen on John Calvin though... lol.
Praying that you wrestle through the text.
@@livesoul thank you, but I simply reject what the Calvinists thinks they have to wrestle with. I see the text in the way that all the Father's (except Augustine) saw it. Corporate election for service and the place of Israel is the theme of this section of Paul's letter to the Romans (as verses 30 - 33 make clear) ... and of course it depends on God choosing, for example, Jacob over Essau; but this is simply not referring to an arbitrary and unilateral act of God in electing individuals to either heaven or Hell. God "bearing with great patience the objects of His wrath prepared for destruction" is related with His longsuffering of those who do not repent. "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world but to save the world through him. Whoever believes is not condemned; but whoever does not believe stands condemned already" ✌️
@@emilesturt3377 Augustine was influenced mostly by his mother growing up as a Christian. You can read his biography and find out. You don’t have to believe anybody else about it.
@@aletheia8054 Very true. But he was also a manichean for 10 years before his Christian conversion, and in the pelagian controversy, this greatly influenced his novel introductions. Fact.
He is called the blessed Augustine in the Eastern churches, but not a "St" Father of the Church because of these changes.
@@emilesturt3377 You might wanna read the biography for yourself and quit relying on other people.
Lots of kids get involved in things when they go off to college. Then they change later in their life to a complete opposite direction of what they did in college. They often go back to the roots of their parents. That’s what Augustine did
No! God does 100 percent of what needs to be done.
Acceptance of a free gift is not a work of self righteousness 😂
Why do the calvinists struggle with this simple reality.
God is just!
This teachings sounds so accurate and so super spiritual; but R. C. Sproul you have messed up the doctrine of predestination according to what the pattern of the scriptures state.
* The bible is written as a covenant book; and according to Heb 8-7-8 both the old and the new covenants were made with the house of Israel and the house of Judea.
The covenant was not made with the Calvinists nor with any other church franchise of God; such as the full gospel churches; charismatics or traditional churches.
If predestination was established by God before He created all of creation; then it is pointless for Jesus who is speaking on behalf of God to tell His disciples to preach the gospel to anyone; and it is a total waste of time for Jesus to die on the cross for the sins of mankind; because in the doctrine of predestination God has already chosen for everyone; whether one goes to hell or to heaven.
The way R.C Sproul and other pastors and theologians explained PREDESTINATION makes the words of Jesus a total contradict of what he says God accomplished with predestination.
* The doctrine of predestination must be viewed in the context of the old covenant and the new covenants.
The foundation of the WORLD is the Greek word KOSMOU.
* KOSMOU is the Greek word used in the bible for the first generation of Jewish old covenant people who are following God in Christ. (This is the 42 generation that is missing in the genealogy of Jesus in Matt 1-1-17; when you count themthey are only 21)
* And this started on Pentecost in Acts 2--1-4; and Paul called this the new creation in Christ in 2 Cor 5-17.
* The term PREDESTINATION is only referring to the first generation of Jewish believers in Christ who were alive before the cross; and they were predestined after they were born in the old covenant to be predestined in Christ for the purpose of the transition from the old covenant into the new covenant in the time period between the cross and AD70.
* People who are alive in today's society who are following God in Christ were not predestined in Christ simply because they were not alive before the cross to be used in the transition from the old covenant into the covenant.
* It is so simple so understand predestination when it is taught in the pattern of the covenant.
* ALL OF TODAYS church doctrines are taught outside of the pattern of the covenant; that is why there is so much confusion and false doctrines in today's churches.
For example.
If a 25yr old man writes a letter to the lady he has proposed to marry: Saying; I'm looking forward to our wedding day; our honeymoon; buying a house; settling down and having children; and her 90yr old granny gets this letter and reads it thinking it's for her? This is an example of the way people interpret the scriptures; not all the scriptures in the bible are written to us or for us in today's churches. And the more respected these theologians are; the more damage they cause when they do not teach the scriptures according to the correct pattern
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Sorry dr. Sproul,
Spiritually dead does not mean that you are totally dead that you cannot respond to the call of God, but it means you lost fellowship with God, but you can sill answer the call of God...
The hoaxer Christian writers, who fabricated the resurrection hoax by making up fake testimonials that the disciples have witnessed an empty tomb & a risen Jesus, didn’t know that a sin-sacrifice-resurrection story implies a superstitious God who values blood-sacrifice, which was common back then - e.g. sacrificing a goat for a new home. The superstitious early folks who valued blood sacrifice created the God of the Bible in their own image.
Blood sacrifice goes all the way back to the garden in the Bible.
If predestination was just God looking thru his cosmic telescope into the future and see who will accept the gospel and who wont, and then “elects” those who accepts then this is not election but just rubber-stamping. In essence that rubber stamping has no meaning or purpose because according to the same logic it is the persons deciding that saves them. So what was the point of the rubber-stamping then? Its not even needed and is worthless. Its just a waste of divine time on God’s part. Yet the scriptures teach in Romans 8:30
30And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
Notice here that before even calling the predestination is already there. Man’s decision comes between being called and being justified. Because his response is to the call which is the call of the gospel to repent and accept Christ. Saying that election is based on the response is NOT election. It goes against the meaning of the word i.e. “to elect” and reduces it to mere rubberstamping. Because what purpose does election serve if it depends on man’s decision.
That’s right. It’s so easy to understand that the people that don’t get it have to be hardened by God not to get it.
Is God sovereign or is man, that He created, sovereign?
Think about it. It's not a tough choice. Well, it is if you are currently attending, or are a recent product of, a gov't school where logic is not taught but instead is anathema.
Thank you God for giving us R. C. Sproul.
@markwil, can you prove that Jacob was not predestined to be saved and Esau to be damned.. You Arminian and Provisionist deny that God predestined some to be saved and some to be damned...
That's not even what predestination is about.
The answer is in Ephesians 1:12-13.
Read it I've and over with the preceding verses with prayer until you finally see it.
Btw, there is no such thing as god the holy spirit.
This message is Babylonian at its core.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
@@aletheia8054
There are no verses about the lost being predestined for conversion.
As seen in the above verses predestination is about Future promises for believers. Adoption, Glorification, inheritance are all future promises, started once someone trusts in Christ, and finished at the end.
In Calvinism, those who reject Christ only do so because He first rejected them.
@@andrewmorse2181 Conforming to Christ is a conversion. Duh
@@aletheia8054
What a weird response.
Being conformed to the image of Christ is sanctification, an ongoing process, I'm assuming that neither of us is perfectly like Christ, correct?
This is then completed when He returns, and believers are given a new body, and fully renewed and restored to Full Sonship, the completed adoption as Sons of God, humanity fully restored, and Fully Glorified.
Conversion is the beginning of true relationship with Christ, not the destination.
Romans nine wrongly interpreted.
Free will is an illusion.
NOT MY WILL (IN AND THRU CHRIST)---GOD SUPERSEED MY VOLITION BY SUPERIOR GRACE IN FAITH BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT !!
@@johnstewart4350 Umm… ok.
@@singwithpowerinfo5815 "Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?" (Proverbs 20:24) Ps: "It is God that maketh my way perfect"---Holy Spirit from Psalm 18 !!
@@johnstewart4350 Ah. You believe that the Bible is of god. I do not. The Bible has the same authority as the Harry Potter books or The Three Little Pigs. There’s good stuff in all of them. No authority.
@@singwithpowerinfo5815 The Holy Bible is no ordinary book. It is not a human book. The Bible is God's inspired and infallible Word-God's Book. It is the Book which God has given to His people to teach them the Truth which they must believe and the godly life which they must live.
That is why the Bible is so important for every believer. Without the Holy Scriptures the believer has no Word of God. He has no standard of what is the Truth and what is the lie, what is righteous and what is wicked.
The words in the Holy Bible are spiritual from the Holy Spirit which belongs to Jesus Christ. They are written by God and they take effect when sown in a person's heart. They overcome our flesh.
The truth of Christianity comes from the Bible. Every essential doctrine is found in Scripture. They are not found by an individual revelation or tradition.
They concentrate on God-His nature and His dealing with mankind in relation to our salvation. How one is saved and forgiven of their sins and brought into a relationship with God.
The divine inspiration of Scripture: the assurance of the Bible (66 Books) being infallible and inerrant as the Word of God having the power of God. Without the infallibility and inerrancy of scripture, we could not know who Jesus is or what He has done.
Jesus Christ is the eternal God, being both God and man, lived a sinless life. The death of Christ on the cross for the sins of mankind being God's only means for salvation.
As Jesus pointed to the Scripture constantly for the fulfillment of what he did. Repentance and confession of own sins are both needed before any one can be born again.
The spiritual birth of God in His Son, but nothing more can be added than that which is included in the word "believe". It is therefore enough to believe in Jesus Christ for ones salvation.
Without the infallibility and inerrancy of Scripture, we could not know who Jesus is or what he has done. The Bible being the word of God-infallible signifies the quality of neither misleading nor being misled and so safeguards in categorical terms the truth that Holy Scripture is a sure, safe and reliable rule and guide in all matters.
Similarly, inherent signifies the quality of being free from all falsehood or mistakes that safeguards the truth of Holy Scripture being entirely true and trustworthy in all its claims.
God moved upon holy men who walked with him and obeyed him, they wrote the scripture that is delivered to us today. The Lord made certain that His revelation about Himself was recorded without error in the original documents.
Scripture alone is said to be "God-breathed" or inspired. The Gospel is the center point of God and man being reconciled to have fellowship.
The Gospel-Resurrection Christ illumination is the ministry of the Holy Spirit to believers teaching them all things from the close canon of Scripture through study. A believer is to be equipped by the Word for the purpose of glorifying God in our lives.
What a horrific misrepresentation of our Lord ….
It’s comments like these…who/what are you helping when you post this kind of comment? There’s no discussion of the video’s contents, no reference in the Bible to refute them. You just say “I don’t think God is like that” and move on.
@@enfire2146couldn't agree more. Romans 9: 8-14 confirms exactly just this with Old Testament examples how beautiful the Holy Spirit inspired word of God was written by the Apostle Paul. Love you Lord 🤍 Thank you for your grace and mercy wich neither we wretches deserve. In Your Son's name our Savior and King Yeshua. Amen 🤍✝️
More bs
Heretic. I doubt that he is saved.
Still makes zero sense. Calvinism teaches people are chosen for heaven or hell before the foundation of the world. If not a single person shares the gospel, the people chosen for heaven will still go to heaven, and those not chosen are still going to hell. It is literally a done deal. The chosen won't be lost if they don't hear the gospel, and those not chosen will still be damned even if they do hear the gospel. Is the reason Jesus told us to share the gospel simply a means to rub it in to the lost that hell is their future and nothing can change that?
Exactly, in Calvinism, there is no need for Christ at all.
Sorry dr. Sproul,
Spiritually dead does not mean that you are totally dead that you cannot respond to the call of God, but it means you lost fellowship with God, but you can sill answer the call of God...