a STELVIO ride reveals the 2020 BMW S 1000 XR 's problem... [RAW Onboard]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2024
- The 2020 BMW S 1000 XR is such a stunning machine! It's hard to find another bike that ticks so many of my personal motorcycle boxes. But unfortunately it has one major flaw...as this ride up the legendary Stelvio pass without any traffic shows!
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Looks like your girlfriend solved the blurry speedo problem.
She must have psychic energy, fixing electronic interferences merely by being present 😉
ahahahaha what a comment :D
i realized two things watching the video...i want a BMW S 1000 XR and a girlfriend
Meeeee too. 🥲
Ha! Getting the bike is the easiest part of that!
I love this community ^^
what would your wife say ... to the XR?
I’d like a girl friend as well but the wife wouldn’t be very happy 😃
FIrst of all it's good to see, that you are riding more carefully with a passenger.
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Tottally right
Yes, like you said, in this particulart scenario (slow hairpins with a passenger) the boxer is better, but for me those are not the reasons why I love riding a bike :D
In every other case I much prefer the XR to the GS, it's faster, more exciting and still super comfy, this is why I switched :)
Can you comment on the bike comfortwise? I've been considering to switch to S1000XR from my MT-09 because 3+ hour trips are obviously painful on a naked bike; I definitely want wind protection as well as a comfy seat & handlebar. Until watching this, it seemed to me that only S1000XR would match the "fun" factor of MT-09 but now I have second thoughts because my regular routes include a lot of twisties, if not as sharp as Stelvio. It would be great to hear the thoughts of an actual S1000XR owner before investing into my next bike!
@@subtlegroove9867 Check out the Tracer 900 or the new Tracer 9, it's literally the same style of bike as the XR, but with the MT-09 motor. As for BMWs, I would grab a R1250RS for tight twisties like this, same boxer twin as the GS, but a little smaller and much more pavement focused.
@@subtlegroove9867 I hear you, I come from a naked myself, an S1000 R. I needed more comfort so I had a Superduke GT, a GS, and now the new XR.
The XR is the most comfortable after the GS, I can ride it all day long. I live in Italy so we have a lot of twisties, and the bike rides like a supernaked, light, stable and with tons of power and torque from 4000 revs up to 11000.
It's so much fun.
I personally never go under 4000 in the twisties, and bear in mind that Schaaf had a passenger too.
So in the end, if you ride a lot with a passenger in really slow roads the GS (or the RS) is better, and in general the boxer engine is easier to use. But in any other case, the XR is better.
This is my opinion of course.
@@DGBomber Mate, thank you very much for your detailed comment! I really appreciate it!
@@subtlegroove9867 no problem I'm glad if I could help you :)
8:16 Me: *cries with honda cbr 125 *
;)
I have seen loads of vids of this road and it never fails to amaze me with the breathtaking scenery and hats off to the engineers. Great stuff cheers shaaf
thanks Phillip
Had a hard day ! But - thank you Schaaf , this video at the end of my day ........ just perfect ! This was my highlight today ! Thank you very much !!!!
Glad I could help!
My wife was watching it by my side and got a little dizzy. lol
Hahahaha
I love your riding man, but my favourite part was how excited she was when you arrived at the top. True joy is hard to not smile at when you see it.
Good job sir.
Couldn't agree more :)
I'd pay for a ride with Schaaf. But it would have to be one of those that the speed thing gets blurred.
My girl likes those the most as well ;)
U r a proper rider... Quick enough and safe when passenger s on so u both enjoy it ! Nice ride!
Thanks man
I really like the BMW XR and I watched every review so far. After so many similar videos with basic specifications and poor opinions, HERE IT IS. Thank you Schaaf for your work, different from the others and so valuable for real life situations.
Glad you liked it!
I’ve ridden several of the passes (Grossglockner, Furken, St Gothard, Oberalpen etc) but so far not the Stelvio on a GS with a mate chasing me on an XR. On the flat he caught me easily but on the climbs he had absolutely no chance. I now have a K1600GT Sport. I haven’t taken it to mainland Europe yet but I have ridden the Scottish Highlands several times. What a revelation! Steep climbs, hairpins, whatever, this bike will deal with all of it. No lack of low end grunt, agile in the hairpins and goes like a train on the flat. The only downside (until you get used to it) is the weight. I sometimes miss my GS, but not often.
Loved the XR when I tried it but in a choice between chain or shaft I’ll choose shaft every time (insert innuendo of your choice here).
Great vid, look forward to the next one.
thanks a lot Tony!
At 7 minutes when you start to reach the tree line I can almost feel my legs getting colder like when really driving there up.
Nice ;)
The smoothness of the video is very satisfying, nearly as much as riding IRL lol
You should try french alps one day!
I would love to and definitely will
Quick and smooth... amazing video as usual! That engine sound intermitently reflecting in the stone guarrails brought me there again :)
Thank you very much! :)
Schaaf, wie immer SAUGUT! Vor allem hat mir dass mit den "Keyboard Warriors" gut gefallen ;-) Dein abschließendes Fazit bringt es bei aller Diskussionen einfach auf den Punkt!
Dank dir, Heiko!
Aaaaand that's why the GS, tractoring up mountains, is the Alpenmaster. XD
Now to the keyboard warrior part. Yes you can give it more power down low but you will lose top end, doing this. idk if BMW is willing to give up the sportiness of the XR. That said, the 900rs pulls like a v-twin and is fun as hell without top power. Imagine you drove up the same mountain without luggage and passenger at low temperatures during the rain ... suddenly the missing power is not that bad.
Great vid as always. ;)
YES
Get a KTM 1290 Super Adventure and you have both worlds! ;-)
Wow, went from sunny/green to a cool town amidst the snow in 20 mins. Awesome!
Yeaa
Don’t forget you’re at high altitude. I guess that’s the characteristic of the BMW super bike engine that was tuned for more mid range and top end power
Doesn't the bike adjust for the fuel air ratio automatically? Not completely sure about that though...
@@SH-rp1ft yeah it does, but if you have less oxygen available per volume of stroke...
it is a characteristic which doesn't make much sense on a touring bike ;)
I rode the same route in 2018 on a R1200RS (in the rain) and it was superb. The torque and grunt was exceptional. I also rode the S100XR on the same trip and was suitably impressed. It is a machine
sure is
Schaaf, your video literally came to my rescue! I've been riding an MT-09 and seriously considering to switch to S1000XR because it seems to tick all boxes that I expect from my next bike; ergonomics (seating position, seat comfort & wind protection) to suit 3-4 hour mixed trips (highway and twisties) and enough low-down power to make me not regret selling a berserker like MT-09. Apparently S1000XR is more than I can expect in ergonomics dept. but I'll have to keep in mind that it may not be the beast that MT-09 is in tight twisties... Thank you very much for this very useful video!!
Welcome! I'm glad I could help!
I found the same riding my XR in the mountains with big twins. I’ve now got a Multistrada
Yeaaaa
I wonder how well the new Multistrada V4 will do in this regard, I would expect a little bit of low end torque loss vs the 1260, but might not necessarily be that much.
12:31 „Mnom, mnom, oh, ein Schaaf auf einer schönen BMW, das muss ich mir näher ansehen...“ 😂👍
Ehehehehe :D
Great video! The sound of that engine is amazing, especaily in high reffs!!!
It just sounds so brutal.
Love it!
It really is!
I went and test rode one of these, wanting somthing more for touring. Coming from an Mt10 to an Xr, the lack of torque was a big issue and a disappointment. Still an amazing machine don't get me wrong. Ended up with a 1250Gs, lots of low down power, good wind protection and surprisingly nimble for a 250kg bike!
Got the XR now I just need beautiful roads and someone to share them with. Thanks Schaaf!
Welcome! Enjoy the ride!
Yes, a lot of work for the right hand but you ride and negotiate the switch backs really well. Thank you for another excellent video.
Many thanks!
Ooooeeehh Schaaf in love? You deserve it. You passenger seems to be blocking your audio equipment a bit though haha
Hahaha she does but I guess that's quite a decent price to pay ;)
Bin so hart am überlegen von der low rider s auf die s1000xr zu wechseln ........... deine videos machens einem nicht einfacher hahaha geiles video wie immer top gefahren und das mit sozius well done m8
Really enjoyed this video! The sounds the BMW make are quite intoxicating. You were blessed with very little traffic, unlike others in Stelvio videos I’ve seen. The one time I rode it (posted in another comment), we had a bit more traffic, but I just waited for the gaps and had a great ride... the others in my Edelweiss group just lined up behind the cars and followed them to the top. Not my idea of an epic ride. To my mind, the other side of the pass is the better road, but for a one-off, this side is certainly entertaining.
And, as others have mentioned, the alternative to the XR is not the GS, but the 1290 GT. But I am a little biased. ;-)
Also, having a “significant other” who is up for spirited riding is a blessing few riders share; I am also one of those fortunate people.
Thanks again. Your video brightened my otherwise gloomy December day.
thanks a lot Dan! Riding wise the other side definitely is more enjoyable. But I just had to show my better half the "iconic" side ;)
10:10 "at least you can enjoy the view"
10:11 "great a straight line let's do 120"
😂
totally funny
This is The vídeo i was waiting for jajaja, this actually answers a lot of what i asked you on instagram ! Thanks a lot man :)
Happy to help!
It looked like you had one very happy passenger at the end there! 😁
Well spotted! Getting to share this experience like that makes it 5 times more enjoyable :)
@@Schaaf i agree. I'm looking forward to a Euro trip with my g/f next summer!
Personally i see two flaws, low torque down low and the price tag it comes with ;)
When it comes to bikes my austrian genes tell me, no need for more than two cylinders.
Servas!
Austria has the answer to both with the Super Duke GT ;)
hahaha well said!
yeah, the bmw is more for fast roads. For this you are better off with good 2 cylinders, like the bmw GS and the KTM 1290. I prefer the KTM because is such a great compromise between torque at slow speeds and crazy fast high speeds.
Very true!
IIRC, the BMW I4 engine is a lot more oversquare than the Kawasaki one. While a different camschaft could probably squeeze more low end torque out of the S1kR engine, it still wouldn't be as much as the Kawasaki I4 offers - simply because the longer cylinders of the Kawa engine allow for more power per individual revolution. The BMW in turn has a much lower piston speed per revolution and therefore can rev way higher while still making power even when the Kawa engine hits a point of diminishing returns.
That high rev limit is where the power sits though, as the BMW still makes mostly the same ( less than the Kawa) power per rev as it did down low - just a lot more of them per second.
The alternative to going this high rev, naturally aspirated route is forced induction, which is what Kawa does with the H2. That comes with its own bag of issues though.
IMO BMW isn't willing to build two I4s for motorcycles with a long and short stroke because of cost. Most people that were asking for an XR were people looking for a tourable RR anyway, everyone else goes to buy a GS.
Which is sad, because they really should be buying the RT or RS, leaving the GS (and the direction it is going) for those that really want to travel through adverse conditions, but I can't fault anyone who looks at the RT and decides that they'd rather have something else with the same engine ( why is it so hideous?!). So we're left with:
-a fat cow of an offroad bike with amenities most people that rode the originals haven't called for that does surprisingly well off road - for its size. Not with a bike that does suprisingly well off road - period.
-a sportsbike masquerading as an adventure bike in the form of the XR while lacking (despite the obnoxiously long fork hinting that it SHOULD be able to) the parts to really go play in the dirt
-the goldwing lookalike RT, that just looks like it wouldn't nearly be as fun ( and draws far less admiration) as a GS but does the road stuff better due to shorter suspension and would be a better fit for 90% of the GS riders with a few tweaks.
-the RS - not sporty enough for sports riders, too sporty for the GS/RT crowd, perfect for those that read a spreadsheet and realize how amazing of a package it is if you never leave the pavement in earnest but without the wow factor to those looking for luxury or speed.
thanks for the comment
i guess nothing happens under 4k is good for smooth filtering in city traffic ?
Not at all. I'd rather be able to have an INSTANT getaway in the city. If you need an engine like that for smooth filtering your wrist is the problem.
Small bike with a punchy twin is the best for city riding.
Correct, it's able to get away if you can downshift fast enough, but for city use only, it's not much fun, better alternatives like small twins that respond immediately.
Hello there, I own 1200 GSA and KTM 1290 SA, and I can confirm nothing beats GSA in Alps. This summer I was following locals on XR and Superdukes very easily. GSA is fantastic bike with awful gearbox but luckily it's torqui enought you don't have to shift it too often. :). Congratulations for one more great and honest review.
Thanks for sharing
Would love to take my GS on this road as it would be perfect as you said!! So much mechanical grip with power exactly where you need it. Amazing views there!!!
Yes indeed!!
I think that's why many people prefer the tracer 900 NEW AKA tracer 9, more power in low revs
yup
Good to see someone reporting the same issue I had with an XR that I took on a test ride. You twist the throttle a little and basically nothing happens, then you have to keep twisting it for it to finally respond like you want it to. I thought maybe BMW programmed it this way since the bike was brand new. I guess it's always that way since Schaaf's bike is already broken in. It'll probably be ok once you get used to applying more throttle than you're used to. Pretty disappointing. I really want to buy one, but this issue may keep me from doing so. Who knows, if they come out with an all black model, maybe I'll give in and buy it! :)
Below 4K rpm you can apply 100 percent throttle and nothing will change ;)
Hi Schaaf,
great video again, as usual. To get your honest opinion, would you rather go with the R1250RS or the S1000XR? Thanks!
excellent question and hard to choose. I'd take the XR though because apart from the non existent torque it does everything else perfectly
I honestly your riding. Even where most people would have gone straight you had the decency of doing the safe line. Bravo. I loved the engine sound though and the clipper but most of all, I loved to see you had a very happy girlfriend at the end. Bravo x2
thanks a lot
TL;DR - 08:08 "The [S1000XR] is weak AF down in the low revs. Below 4000 RPM basically nothing happens. I actually don't mind an engine needing some revs in order to deliver. But the XR's case is an extreme one on a road like this."
The bike's specifications are pretty telling as well. Just the bore and stroke give it away: 80mm bore by 49.7mm stroke. Any engine with a low stroke-to-bore ratio and dual overhead cams is almost certainly optimised for making most of its power at high speeds. For low-end torque it's best to have a stroke that is about equal to the bore or longer than the bore.
cool story bro
I drove that exact same pass over and over with my Kawasaki 1400GTR and never a complain about torque. Then I drove it with a GS and thought "wow, THIS is torque" but also "cr@p, no top end whatsoever". When I was driving the GS, a friend was driving along with his XR, so we swapped on the way back. Sure enough, the feeling was the opposite: fantastic mid- and top end power, but barely anything down low. I kept the Kawasaki, although that XR is the next best thing. I'd rather keep the revs high than deal with the cow-like movements of the GS chassis.
lol
a geat video as always, keep it up man.
thanks Patryk!
Great video. I agree with you , I have a 2020 XR and below 4000rpm the torque is not good , anything above 4000 rpm is brilliant.I think the XR can do with a shift cam engine. I still love the XR and every time I ride my XR I have a big smile.
Right on
I believe that since the xr has the same engine as the s1000rr, it also has the huge restrictions from the ecu that the s1krr comes with. Probably with a proper tune it will be much more powerful in the low gear-low rpm senarios
absolutely
@@Schaaf ❤️
Agree all along. However coming from a Versys1000S, I have to admit that (perhaps) with the s1000XR there is a little less getting easy through the bends,. Having said that it gives a phenomenal amount of power you cannot get from many other bikes on the market
Well, the Versys for sure has more grunt down low. I'd take the Versys over the XR actually
It can't be perfect but it's amazing at what it's made for (both purposes of sport character and touring capability). So I do love it's nature of being calm down which is great for every day ride and touring (especially two up as its more comfortable when it pulls less in low rpm) but than if I want, high rpms do the turbo. 😀 I just love the way it is... Great video. 👍
Kawasaki shows how to do it much better
Amazing scenery, fantastic riding!
Thanks a lot Pete
thats why i still have the gen 1 xr and dont trade it for gen 2. i test rode a xr gen 2 and got shocked,, didnt like it at all...Gen 1 has a lot more torque down there and A LOT more character as a bike! loving it...
That's true. But the suspension on Gen2 is quite a lot better. Much more stability when going fast
I've got a first gen XR from last year. The stock map is shit down low. The bike feels much slower than the K1300S I've upgraded from.
Same with the 2020 RR.
The problem you mention is not a problem. It's a feature.
Dynamic pro only changes throttle response, it doesn't give you more power, nor does it eliminate throttle restriction in lower gears.
I've solved it by buying a Brentuning reflash. But any conservative dyno tune or even a mail in reflash from a reputable company will solve the issue with these bikes. Every bike from the S1000 lineup is like this, at least the Euro4 and E5 ones, which I've gotten to try out.
There is very noticeably more torque below 4k, right off idle. Stock everything except ecu reflash.
Try one of these that's had any type of remap ideally throttle restriction removed as well. Completely different to stock.
I disagree with your statement about "every S1000", my 2019 S1000R (Euro 4) is lovely and torquey below 5000 rpm! I came from a 1250 Bandit and the grunt of the S1000R really surprised me.
@@RikkyTang The bandit is not super similar. Has similar torque delivered much lower than an S1000 but is considerably heavier. Also no throttle restriction.
Eur4 variants are naturally, less "strangled".
Difference is more noticeable on Eur 5 XR, and RR. Once Eur5 R will be out for test rides, you'll be able to compare apples to apples yourself :P
@@ThaSideWeed Well, all we are really doing here are comparing our experiences of these bikes so there is no right or wrong, just different points of view. I hope to be able to test one for my channel 😊
@@RikkyTang Mmmm, yup agree to some extent. There are dyno charts readily available. The bikes aren't slow by any means.
Also it's a well known fact that the US firmware the 2020+ RR has leaves 50 or so hp on the table in the midrange, with Euro versions of the same firmware being a bit better in this regard. I've only ridden euro versions of these bikes, but to me at least, both EUR5 machines feel a bit gutless in the low range. It's only natural for some riders/owners to have different opinions based on what they've experienced thus far.
I've had some degree of usability issues with mine, mostly solved by throwing $ at it, but they're great bikes nonetheless.
Good luck with the test :)
good to know man. If I'd own that bike I'd immediately get the reflash done for sure
Its a wonderful bike even though it may lack a little low down punch but thats part of its character and you will then ride it accordingly,cheers.JHB-SA.
Exactly. I absolutely love the XR
this video gives a great insight into the engines characteristics. thanks s lot!
Welcome!
Glad you are back on track schaaf, and you are absolutely right about the low rev incopetence of the xr, another one is absolute lack of engeine braken , almost an oldscool 2-stroke. BUT, I think your duo didn't complain (being used to losing pegs) AND I notice you are prudent, I use (without pillion) 1st a lot, same road, uproad and surely down, and then it's a totaly different story :) but agree, it's still a high rev sports engine.
as you could see I was constantly using first
@@Schaaf My mistake, strange, on my 1st gen xr, I have to restrict it with back brake in 1st. Maybe it's the extra weight, or I'm slightly higher in rpm, but mostly on climbs like that I need to avoid unwanted wheelieing, (wich is why I don't use "pro" on roads like this) but you are absolutely right it is not comparable in easiness climbing hairpins compared to the good old z1000sx my girlfriend rides, she does the same at the same speed without bronco exits with ease in 2nd.
Love your videos,
U can do most of the stelvio in first gear!!
I love my xr, it is my first bike, learned to ride on it and did 27500 kms in my first year, all year round commute to Brussels.
And because i am 1m90 and 115 kg, with gear, paniers, laptop,.. it is like i'm riding with a pillion.
Has been the perfect bike for me
Awesome!
Nice video as always have a nice ride. When and if possible can you test a fjr1300 on those twisties.
thanks th-cam.com/video/A_lVU5NGIUY/w-d-xo.html
A long first gear and dont forget the Powerdrop on altitude:
My GS did wheelies on the first hairpins but on altitude i could "einschenken" and the frontwheel was nailed to ground :-)
:)
Beautiful road and scenery mate!
Time to buy the VFR and ride the V4 vtec hard on those twistys 😁✌
Yeaaaaa
Godammit Schaaf, let there be summer without thinking of corona, quarantaine, travel restrictions and speed limits of course ^^. Awesome landscape, awsome clip. Thumbs up!
So true! Thanks
would you rather have used the Multi for this one?
absolutely
Agree. (being XR owner)
I always love your reviews.
The 20 kph hairpins of Stelvio are certainly an extreme. How much of the issue is due to the lower speeds (and RPM) required by an otherwise screeching pillion? Or the extra weight on corner exit?
My RR still has reasonable torque until you get down to around 3k RPM, but I would deal with the Stelvio hairpins with a bit more speed anyway. I imagine the RR's shiftcam also has some benefits here. I hope that BMW ultimately creates an M XR replete with shiftcam and the higher-revving engine internals of the RR. They may need this to compete with the upcoming V4 Multi.
With that said, you don't formulate your product around the rare situation of Stelvio's ultra-tight hairpins.
exactly
Beautifull! The scenery and also the riding. Really good skills. My wife would be afraid of riding like this 🙂
she was complaining I was way too slow lol
I rode the previous model (with the dynamic pro mode) on Stelvio back in 2019. I rented it for a trip to Europe since it has the same engine as my 2018 S1000R and thought that it would be familiar but much more comfortable. And I was right on that aspect but felt similar. In order to work those tight turns, you need to rev it much higher than other Adv bikes. Plus the weight did not help. In the S1000R it works great, but for the XR, it needs more torque. If BMW refreshes it with the engine of the 2020 S1000RR, with the variable valve timing it might work better. And regarding the GS, I still prefer the Africa Twin. :) Cheers.
I've been told that those variable valves in the RR actually provide more power in the high revs. They don't do anything down low.
@@Schaaf I think you are right.
When going on some higher altitude passes, it would be helpful to know when the video was recorded to have some perspective on snow conditions and traffic. This ride was very nice in terms of traffic, very little. In August it is very busy. Do you remember when was it?
I wouldn't say it's a flaw, I'd say thats a characteristic, you've got to remember its a re-tuned S1000RR engine, so it's an engine made for being used in the higher part of the rev range. I think that's what makes this bike that unique, it's a comfy sports bike that can either go to the racetrack or tour around the Alps. The real flaw is the fuel consumption of using the engine above 7k revs all the time!!
Edit: I own the previous version 2015-2019, maybe on the new one it's worse, I've read that the new model is more "tammed" and less sporty than before. Personally I love the engine on mine, and I have no lack of power neither torque.
the new one is way weaker down low due to EURO restrictions, yes
I had the same feeling when testing this bike. This is why I liked the KTM SAS better.
Same here. Bought the SAS. Much snappier out of tight corners, but also less stable under hard breaking and less stable in slow corners (needs trail breaking into the turn and then a little bit of throttle for stability).
the SAS is the best choice for quick mountain riding ;)
That’s why I always ride my S1000XR (model 2020) above 4K 😉
Anyway, I don’t understand your complaint.
Of all the traffic on that road, you (and your passenger) were the first to reach the top of the mountain.
Mission accomplished.
well. Try to keep the bike above 4K on Stelvio. You can't go lower than first ;)
@@Schaaf Fair enough, and I’ll probably never discover for myself, since traveling in Europe is impossible for a very long time to come.
@@marcos.1771 Schaaf is right - you can't go any lower at Stelvio hairpins. However (I'm also owner of a 2020 XR) I don't see that lack of power under 4000 as a huge flaw. Stelvio is an extreme and how often do most of the motorcycle riders find themselves in a scenario such as Stelvio hairpins ? Not so often. XR is not and will never be the king of the Alps (like a GS). But it is still more than capable to do them, in comfort. However, when the corners open up and become faster (such as Tonale pass, close to Stelvio), XR shines and leaves His Majesty the GS in the dust :)
It’s sounds very smooth, a quality bike right there !
it sure is!
Ah yes, this issue. This wasn't an issue with the old XRs I've noticed the new XRs are DEAD below 4k, this is 100% down to the Euro 5 factory tune. When you tune these bikes they pick up a LOT of power down low, exhaust also helps massively. That said, you can't forget that this IS indeed an inline 4 and that's what you sign up for when getting one of these. Can be mitigated but it's never gonna be a Vtwin in the end 13:48 ahhaha you got me but it's still true. I still think of my XR as a torquey bike and it smokes RRs off the line but it is the inline-4 in COMBINATION with long gearing. The versys 1000 (if that's what you were comparing to) has significantly less top end compared to the S1000XR and it has very short gearing.
Thanks man. That is just what I am thinking. I loved the old XRs
BUT!!! ALSO!!! if it would be becoming more and more of a problem, you could still change the chain sprockets (-1 in the front and +2 in the back(for example)), you would sacrifice some top speed, but you can gain a bit of low down grunt...
Glad you found a partnership Austria couldn't offer.
In this case Germany to be precise hahaha
I have to agree. I was riding the Grimsel pass in Switzerland on an S1000R with my girlfriend on the back. There was times I could really feel the motor was struggling to pull the tightest uphill hairpins. I'm pretty sure a remap would solve the problem though. I've read the power nearly doubles at 50% throttle with a good remap.
Right on!
As always, great video Schaaf! Glad you could enjoy the Stelvio with your girlfriend!
Thanks! 👍
Thanks for reminding me of when I was there - really brought back some great memories with my Dad.
My question is would you rather this or the 1260S? I have a multi and would want to do the Stelvio, but i think too many tight twisties! :)
People do it on Goldwings. :)
Yup. Every bike can do the Stelvio. I would choose the XR because I can live with the low torque but not with the spongy suspension of the 1260
The problem that is weak at low revs can be the exhaust system, the catalytic converter of modern bikes are keen to weaken the low revs, same as for the aprilia tuono, the earlier models where almost empty below 6k rpms
the actual problems are EURO-5 emission laws
Der Schaaf fährt einfach eine prutale saubere und sichere Linie und dass bei der Geschwindigkeit 👍👍👍👍
dank dir, Mario
As always, good video!
thanks David
At the end the main issue is: two cylinders more than it should 😁 very curius to see what the new multi v4 will be capable of! Hope you can bring it to the channel man! Stay safe
I hope so. But I already can tell you that the V4 doesn't perform strong in the low revs either.
@@Schaaf I'm afraid so too and I've been spoiled by my sas 1290! Difficult to go down from there 😜
@@stefvdo well not all inline 4 engines are weak down low...and even a V2 needs certain revs to stop stuttering and to "smooth out"...
Fantastic weather was this recent
Nope
Yep. Noticed it a lot when I hoped off my 17 XR to test ride the new one. Wooly AF way down in the revs.
Thanks for the confirmation
Nothing beats a boxer torque on tight roads? Try a Yamaha MT-10 - pulls from tickover to the redline.
Try a new Super Duke....
@@Schaaf hey Schaaf, im just curious to know, which bike do you like more....the Mt10 or the Speed Triple RS
Ich habe die XR und einen 1200 Boxer, vor der Kurve in den 1. schalten geht mit der XR gut, beim Boxer meine ich das Getriebe explodiert gleich. Schöne Aufnahmen und gut gefahren, danke fürs Vid!
Danke
Great video.
I have the same problem with the 2021 S1000XR.
The engine sometimes stops when I leave on a slope. ( With passenger and luggage. )
We are no heavyweights, and with over 400.000Km. experience not inexperienced either. I can't even remember when I encountered this with my other motorcycles. I once rode an S1000RR - with passenger - and it had more bottom end torque than the S1000XR.
Motorcycle is now always in dynamic pro mode, with as few restrictions as possible, but I only like it from 4000 rpm.
It's a shame, because otherwise this is a good bike.
try reading into the comments. Some people offered solutions with installing different mappings. I'm quite sure that would improve it a lot
Is the older generation XR as bad in this situation..?
Man what a beautiful road that is !!!
Indeed
Schönes Video, schönes Motorrad.
Danke!
Bitte!
I guess the engine's origin is kind of responsible for the lack of torque/power in the low refs.
It is basically the same engine as in the s1000r(r) with some changes and a different mapping.
Might be a reason why you see hundreds of GS everywhere, especially on narrow and twisty mountain roads like that.
Keep up the great work and thank you! :D
it's the strict emission laws rather. The old XR pulled harder.
@@Schaaf Dammn you are right!
Euro 5 kicks in :(
sitting here in the dark, miserable and lonely, wrapped in my blanket, watching Schaaf riding a motorcycle with his girlfriend...
I did that myself for 30 years
The addition of a passenger is a great thing to see from a testing point of view. After watching, the following question came to mind:
Does Dynamic ESA and DTC have a greater impact on power delivery than we first realized? In other words, what if the bike's ECU responded to the additional weight of a passenger by mitigating throttle response at low engine RPM? If so, I can see how high-altitude fuel/air mixture could exacerbate the issue as well.
Perhaps it's a stupid question. Either way, I'm intrigued by your experience and interested in your thoughts.
I wouldn't know. But I do know that it's probably meant to be like that. To get through EURO 5. It would be very interesting indeed to learn what's possible with a bit of manipulation
@@Schaaf I heartily agree. Besides the question, another well done wideo. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
Fair play , you can ride a bike !! But which is better the XR or the GS ....
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That is why i would like to see an XR version of the boxer. Upright position, 17in front wheel with a bit of a longer front suspension travel.
YES
Hi 🙋🏻♂️! Nice ride! Is your exhaust stock? I also have a 2020 doesn’t sound so great.
Honestly, I must say that what you're complaining about is down to rider skill. Not downshifting an inline-4 at low rpm:s and then expecting power, is like complaining that summer weather is hot. Also, downshifting gives you options, in case something dangerous/unexpected is about to happen in traffic. I understand that you want your passenger to not be alarmed by your revving of the engine, but I believe that the alternative would be much worse. You can still be easy with the throttle.
Interesting. Now tell me. To which gear should I change in a ~30kph hairpin? Minus 3? I never managed to go lower than first so far.
I dont get the fascination with switch back roads at all. Id take long sweeping bends on a flat road over something like this any day. Regardless of what bike or car you spend more time going up and down gears and crawling round bends at 5mph than anything else
Every corner has its attraction. Tight switchbacks demand good slow riding skills and therefore feel very rewarding to ride
Hey Schaaf! Da du ja schon die XR mit normalem und Touringscreen gefahren bist. Was ist dein Fazit? Reicht das normale um halbwegs angenehm zu reisen? Lg
Ich würd mir die höhere nehmen bei 184cm Körpergröße
I agree. Need the shiftcam engine in the XR and R. I prefer the previous generation XR.
Shiftcam on the RR actually is active in the high rpm ranges :D