CHAPTER 1: [00:09] Alan Moore & Dave Gibbons' Watchmen CHAPTER 2: [03:40] Terry Gilliam's Watchmen CHAPTER 3: [14:23] David Hayter's Watchmen CHAPTER 4: [20:49] Darren Aronofsky's Watchmen CHAPTER 5: [22:04] Paul Greengrass' Watchmen
I’ll be original video is just been provided but there’s like an updated video but you can still find the original video on the channel when you look at the playlist of this canceled movie series
@@SuperCeleste007 I'd switched the original to unlisted because, it being the first one I did, I always felt it was an awful and unwatchable mess but I thought the history was still interesting and wanted to do it over. I forgot it was on the playlist though.
I heard Robin Williams as Rorschach and went “What the-?” Before almost immediately going “. . . Hey, whoa.” That is super interesting. He was a fantastic dramatic actor, so there’s something about that idea that just hits me right in the intrigue nerve. Robin was incredible at portraying an almost pathetic vulnerability and that constant underlying feeling of isolation that hits Rorschach perfectly (e.x. One Hour Photo). So to add a real edge to that? To think how he would’ve handled the VOICE? Damn.
He was an excellent dramatic actor as far as I'm concerned, more than people liked to give him credit for -something which still to this day baffles me.
Knowing that Robin Williams was considered for The Riddler AND Rorschach! Man…R.I.P. I think they would’ve been iconic portrayals. He was also offered The Joker in Tim Burton’s Batman, but that was only to negotiate the role with Jack Nicholson.
I like Pearlman in just about everything , but Morgan was perfect for me. That up to no good grin of his was awesome and the nihilistic worldview of the character was portrayed really well.
I absolutely adore Zack Snyder's Watchmen, I'm a Darren Aronofsky fan, would've loved to see his version. I like that Aronofsky mentioned that he's a fan of Snyder's Watchmen and Man of Steel, hope to see him in a DC film. I hope he does Constantine.
A fantastic director, I think he had a concept for a super dark Batman movie, too. Wish he could realize his DC visions as this would be as great of a fit as DC - Snyder.
10:13 Apparently Alan Moore had either never seen or heard of the episode in question, The Architects of Fear, or if he had, he'd been so young that he'd forgotten all about it. Somebody pointed out the similarity in the concept before Watchmen had finished it's original 12 issue run so he added the bit with the episode on TV at the end of the last issue as an acknowledgement. I can't remember where I read that but it was somewhere.
agreed. I wish they would have spent more time in the movie on Dr Manhattan, his chapter in the original book was one of the most incredible pieces of fiction ever written. but I get the limitations of committing the whole story to film and time constraints and all and for what they ended up with I agree it was the best part of the whole movie.
It is the one part that pretty faithfully follows the narrative and look of the graphic novel. I am connviced they took a cue from the Warner motion comic which perfectly nails "Watchmaker" from every aspect, especially music. Check it out if you havent seen it yet.. About 16 hours long in total but worth it. "Watchmaker" and "the abyss looks inward" BY FAR being the best
Cool video on what would have been. Zack Snyder is the reason I even know or care about Watchmen. Watchmen is my top 3 G.O.A.T comic book films. Change my entire view of comic book films. And I cant unsee what I saw. Thank you Zack.
I'm in no way familiar with The Watchmen comics, but I that Zacks movie was very stylish and different. I also think Man Of Steel is a good Superman movie.
I think Zack is an average director at best. He did the best be could with the Watchmen though. You should thank Alan Moore for the quality of the comic.
Zack Snyder's Watchmen is my favorite comic book movie of all time. But I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be interested in seeing Paul Greengrass' take.
I love Synders Watchmen I just wish he at the very least didn't make the rest of the non Manhattan cast legit superheroes. As cool as was to see The Comedian to punch through concrete it definitely missed the point that these were just normal, very flawed people. They didn't have super strength..even though I'm sure years of crime fighting led to learning how to fight. I used to be bitter about the ending change regarding to squid but it'd be hard to put that on the big screen..although the HBO show did show it in all its glory
God, I remember when all of this was happening. Sam Hamm's script was one of the first scripts I ever read! It was definitely the first "superhero" script I ever read and even though I didn't care for it, I followed the project for almost 20 years. I really couldn't avoid it. Every time someone new jumped on board, every movie mag would cover it! It really looked as if it was never going to get made. Anyhow, thanks for another great video!
The Hayter version seemed so great, he was one of the few that understood that a faithfull adaptation wasn't just copying imagery from the comic panels, but rather understanding the meaning and impact of those panels. It's a shame we never got to see neither Greengrass' or Hayter's vision and that instead we got Snyder's sterilized adaptation.
@@cruzcola4515 It was pretty decent. But really, I hope Watchmen doesn't get anymore adaptations/follow-ups. Let it rest. Or at least let it rest until Alan Moore gets his damn royalties.
@@mburumorris3166 He said Rorschach AND the other heroes aren't aren’t supposed to be shown as “cool” or “badass”, meaning he never said Rorschach was cool.
I remember loving Watchmen as a kid/teen, but when I actually read the graphic novel years later, I understood why the movie was so heavily criticized. It reallt did miss the point of the book.
@@srstriker6420 yes. With all the original 4 cast members reprising their roles. But there was also Dan Ackroyd's version, 'Ghostbusters: Hellbent' set to release on 1999. From what I heard, it would have the team going to Man-Hell-tten ruled by Donald Trump like Demon Lord. Idk, it sounds bizzare.
The Rorschach in Hayters test footage might be my favorite rendition of the character, despite the cheap Halloween costume. It focuss on making the character unnerving rather than badass like in Snyder's version (which completely misses the point of the character). The hayter rendition actually tries to portray how unhinged he is
Oh to have the ability to just poke a hole in parallel universes and pluck Blu-Rays because all those potential takes are fascinating. I genuinely had no idea on most of these and the more details I got the more I wanted to see these versions that sadly will never be. Even if bits are recycled in later versions they just won't hit the same. Like a Burton in his prime version and a Ultra grounded 9/11 take, and even Robin Williams! They're bizarre and different in the best of ways. Noticed I always appreciated comic movies that stray away from the source material and aim to be more innovative and awesome takes even if they're not "the best" there's a charm to them. Prefer them to have roots and flavoring of the iconic but still go all out on an ideas and be a movie first, like how Batman 89, Batman Returns, classic Superman , 2000s Fox, Universal, Paramount, and Sony Marvel movies and MCU phase 1 were handled, Man of Steel, BvS, and Joker. Even something like the bubble gum pop style of Suicide Squad has something I enjoy all be it feeling too soft for a film about murderous flamboyant psychopaths While having no intrigue on the Disney MCU and post Zack Snyder DCEU. I've read the books and wanting the exact same beats from would be selfish in a way and also while the idea that everyone in the audience is a die hard fan of the source is a romantic idea it's mostly a lie because of trends that results in watered down very bland movies people could pretend to enjoy. Wish we could drop the act and let go all out again.
@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 then Dr. Manhattan would be a cosmic being, without a body. Silk Specter would be used as a useless sex object female, and Rorschach would be like a typical trenchcoat detective, the story would not be about the world and politics, but about the characters itself and their downfall. and Alan Moore still wouldn't like the movie Lol
It’s content like this that makes me hit the sub and bell. Great video. Agree with most as well, would love to see the Paul Greengrass/updated version; would be REALLY cool.
Snyder didn't understood Watchmen. He was more into slowmotion scenes and explotions. He started with giving all the "heroes" in the film superpowers. Right in the first scene, where in the book the murder of Comedian is only mentions in flashback. Snyder had to ruin it all by showing a fight between two person with superhuman strength (smashing their fists through walls etc) that is the opposite of what the comic was about. Snyder also thought that Rorscach looks cool in his mask and fedora. Lets make him the misundertstood hero of the watchmen, a working-class-Batman. So he took out some of his lines and make him more "human".With Superpowers of course. Rorscach in the comic is a highly antisocial individual. A dangerous psychotic with personality disorders. But Snyder just makes him look misunderstood with cool lines and a little bit of PTSD maybe. Snyders other big mistake is that he made Adrian into a boring Bond villain. In the comic, Adrian is really sad by the murders he committed and even doubts his own plan. He is a philanthropist and a utilitarian. And a very complex character. But Snyder made him into a one-dimensional Bond villain. In my opinion Darren Aronofsky could had made a great adaptation in the form of a miniseries. Which we eventually we got but with only a few of the original characters who was completely out of character. BTW, excuse me for my bad English. I am from Sweden.
@@tobbakken2911 But all of Snyders charachters in Watchmen has superpower. Snyder also thought that Rorscach looks cool in his mask and fedora. Lets make him the misundertstood hero of the watchmen, a working-class-Batman. So he took out some of his lines and make him more "human".With Superpowers of course. Rorscach in the comic is a highly anntisocial individual. A dangerous psyhotic with personality disorders. But Snyder just makes him look misunderstood with cool lines and a little bit of PTSD maybe. Snyders other big misstake is that he made Adrian into a boring Bond villain. In the comic, Adrian is really sad by the murders he comitted and even doubts his own plan. He is a philanthropist and a utilitarian. And a very complex charakter. But Snyder made him into a one-dimensional Bond villain. Again excuse for my bad English, I am from Sweden.
He kept the lines that showed Rorschach was a Homophobe and right wing nut-job. In the book we also see rorschach being abused as a child and we do feel sorry for him. He is just as sympathetic in the book idc what Alan Moore says because he always keeps contradicting himself. I don't agree with rorschach in the movie and in the book but I feel sorry for him
I've read the comics and I loved Snyder's version . In today's age of web-series I think he would have done it better than the current series if he was given more time to explore the world.
33:40 this part got me to watch the film Threads, based on the clips shown and how Greengrass described it… I regretted it immediately after I was done watching it. Damn you Supervoid Cinema & Paul Greengrass lmafo 🤣. Keep up the good work tho for real!
I had an issue of Wizard magazine from like 2003 with an interview of a guy who spent years trying to pitch a watchmen adaptation in Hollywood. I forgot his name but was he mentioned in this video?
People like Moore and Ennis tend to overthink the effects of literal Godlike beings in the modern society. Often veering into self-parody due over reliance on grittiness and grand conspiracies.
Paul Greengrass chilled out with the shaking camera, which I think was good cause Bourne 2 I couldn't watch. To much shaky cam, Bourne 3 was a good balance.
@Supervoid Cinema - nice work. Please equalize volume throughout - it's a lot of work to keep adjusting volume. Also, zero music is nice but that's me - I'm a composer and three seconds of "somebody else's choice" makes my body hurt.
this made me miss robin williams so bad even though he was only mentioned briefly one time. i wish i could bring him back. he brought so much joy to the world, though he was suffering. i guess its better off that he doesn't have to suffer anymore. rip.
thing i love about the watchmen it can work so many time lines. would love greengrass version. we could litereally do one now during bush / trump leading to what's happening now in Ukraine.
Please do a segment on the stunning lack of Historical epics involving Africa or black people. Toussaint Louverture and the Haiti Revolution by Glover is the only one I can think of that I've recommended already
I love the idea of doing an more updated take on the source material. And I don't mean the way HBO did with making it all about Race. It was interesting, but failed to really captivate me. Make it based and revolve around a post Trump era. Maybe make the alternate history one where the January 6th insurrection of the capital actually started a civil war or something
Make it where the January 6th was an insurrection first. Then make it where people open their eyes to most of the conspiracies turned out to be true then people rebel against the government and realize that they where playing most citizens against each other to keep them distracted from the truth which is we are already living inside a different time line and they control it through sheeple, gullible people. Make it where the food being processed has a chemical that keeps you glued to the tv social media that’s all controlled the government and it always playing something to keep the sheep scared. Like if you go out side there will be a massive shadowed figure that will pull out your soul.
@@nobody127yago8 Dude, would you just shut up? All I did was pitch an idea for a film, and there you go on some political rant. This is why I hate both the far left and the right. You can't say literally anything without them taking it as an opportunity to "educate" you.
If the Watchmen film had happened in the 90's or early 2000's, Rene Auberjonois and Jeff Daniels would've been good choices for Rorschach and Nite Owl II respectively
Idk if he would have played it better than Jackie Earl Haley but Bowie definitely looks like comic Rorschach in the face and he had the red hair for it at that time so it would have been interesting
Are you the same guy from Good Bad Flicks? Maybe is my non-native english ear, but you sound a lot like him. And your concepts and format are similar. Just curiosity! I love your channel and your extensive research work.
Almost ever time they showed the look of the different versions of watchmen they wanted to create i just started going " what the fu... Im happy that didnt happen"
Snyder's adaption was fine overall. But, unfortunately, his involvement in the watchmen project ruined his artistic vision he used to have when he did the 300 film, which was a masterpiece. Now he can't do anything else without referencing or paying homage to it. Like he did with Superman and Batman.
Ouch, Jorah Mormont's American accent is rough in that test film. I love Ray Stevenson but I don't see him in that role (think he might could do the Comedian justice though). The 80s version had a killer cast but the script probably wasn't that great from the sound of it and they wouldn't have been able to do the necessary special effects. 80s effects would have looked pretty cheesy imo (I say this as a 41 year old man who grew up with this stuff). I think the version that we ultimately got has a great presentation and looks almost perfect. Snyder is good at presentation, can't knock him there. If Snyder and the writers only would have understood the underlying themes of the story on more than a superficial level it could have been awesome. I'm not even saying that it wasn't "intellectual" enough, I mean the comic practically beats it's themes over your head so you don't exactly have to be a big brain to see what Moore was going for. Snyder just totally missed the mark for whatever reason. Looks great tho.
Indeed. Gilliam concluded that Watchmen was unfilmable, and he was right if he meant in 1989. Pre 1999 effects just weren't there for the material. Snyder's looked great, but I suspect not because he missed the point, but because he disagrees with Moore's thesis. Presented with a hypothetical where freelance costumed crime fighters were commonplace, Moore concludes it would be disgusting and horrifying. Snyder concludes "Righteous street justice! Cool!!"
One and possibly the only lacking thing in your wonderful documentaries is volume normalisation - some interviews and dialogues are very quiet, some are loud while all of that should optimally be on the same volume level as your narration.
I love Snyder's Watchmen. Still believe it to be one of the best comic book movies ever. But I also wish to have Watchmen with Ray Stevenson as Rorschach. Rest in Peace, Ray Stevenson. You never gave us your Rorschach in full power, but you still gave us a lot of amazing performances Titus Pollo, Punisher, Volstagg to name a few. Rest in Peace
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CHAPTER 1: [00:09] Alan Moore & Dave Gibbons' Watchmen
CHAPTER 2: [03:40] Terry Gilliam's Watchmen
CHAPTER 3: [14:23] David Hayter's Watchmen
CHAPTER 4: [20:49] Darren Aronofsky's Watchmen
CHAPTER 5: [22:04] Paul Greengrass' Watchmen
Why was the original video taken down
I’ll be original video is just been provided but there’s like an updated video but you can still find the original video on the channel when you look at the playlist of this canceled movie series
@@SuperCeleste007 I'd switched the original to unlisted because, it being the first one I did, I always felt it was an awful and unwatchable mess but I thought the history was still interesting and wanted to do it over. I forgot it was on the playlist though.
Can you make a video about the Epic of Gilgamesh film that never got made?
@Supervoid Cinema can you please link me the original version of the video from a year ago
I heard Robin Williams as Rorschach and went “What the-?” Before almost immediately going “. . . Hey, whoa.”
That is super interesting. He was a fantastic dramatic actor, so there’s something about that idea that just hits me right in the intrigue nerve. Robin was incredible at portraying an almost pathetic vulnerability and that constant underlying feeling of isolation that hits Rorschach perfectly (e.x. One Hour Photo). So to add a real edge to that? To think how he would’ve handled the VOICE? Damn.
He actually said "Aw! Come on now".
He was an excellent dramatic actor as far as I'm concerned, more than people liked to give him credit for -something which still to this day baffles me.
Knowing that Robin Williams was considered for The Riddler AND Rorschach! Man…R.I.P. I think they would’ve been iconic portrayals. He was also offered The Joker in Tim Burton’s Batman, but that was only to negotiate the role with Jack Nicholson.
@@prod.danterosehe would have made an amazing Joker, but I don't think it would have worked in Burtons world.
Ok, I like the version we got, but now I’m kind of wishing I got to see Ron Perlman as Comedian
Same
No way, Jeffrey Dean Morgan knocked that character out of the park
I like Pearlman in just about everything , but Morgan was perfect for me. That up to no good grin of his was awesome and the nihilistic worldview of the character was portrayed really well.
I think Morgan was perfect casting.
Or Bowie as Rorschach
“Then the setting was changed to 2044, the Comedian served in Iraq, Iraq and then Iraq.”
I'd actually think David Bowie would have been a better Ozymandias than Rorschach. In the Snyder film, the character actually looks like him.
lol
I'm not gonna lie a robin Williams Rorschach sounds hilarious
@@Blackburn-Arts lol
@@ardon68 lol
I was thinking the same thing!
If I ever become a filmmaker one day, I want use Paul Greengrass's script for a miniseries with documentary style camera work.
That's a good idea
I'll play Rorschach, I'm his actual canon height!
-Jon Spencer
@@bottombarrelbudgetfilms1854 Practice your Raspy/Gravely voice
You are a filmmaker. Always tell yourself this
You got my vote
I absolutely adore Zack Snyder's Watchmen, I'm a Darren Aronofsky fan, would've loved to see his version. I like that Aronofsky mentioned that he's a fan of Snyder's Watchmen and Man of Steel, hope to see him in a DC film. I hope he does Constantine.
A fantastic director, I think he had a concept for a super dark Batman movie, too. Wish he could realize his DC visions as this would be as great of a fit as DC - Snyder.
Where does he say that he is a fan? I'm curious I need to see it
Pretty cool seeing Bruce Wayne as Nite-Owl and The Punisher as Rorschach. 😄
Greengrass's version had some great casting, jude law would've been perfect as Ozzy, and Ron pearlmen would've made a great comedian too
I don't see Jude Law as Ozzy. He's supposed to be 6'5'' blonde with the looks of an adonis or the Greek god Apollo.
Imagine if they had given Terry Gilliam the budget he wanted...
10:13 Apparently Alan Moore had either never seen or heard of the episode in question, The Architects of Fear, or if he had, he'd been so young that he'd forgotten all about it. Somebody pointed out the similarity in the concept before Watchmen had finished it's original 12 issue run so he added the bit with the episode on TV at the end of the last issue as an acknowledgement. I can't remember where I read that but it was somewhere.
I mean... Alan Moore swiping things? Not unheard of lol...
@@jacowboy When he does it, it's "paying tribute" but when Grant Morrison does it, it's "stealing." Glyconite wizard privilege
In the movie the scene when Dr Manhatten is born is really well done, the musical score is perfect. Thats the best part of the movie for me.
agreed. I wish they would have spent more time in the movie on Dr Manhattan, his chapter in the original book was one of the most incredible pieces of fiction ever written. but I get the limitations of committing the whole story to film and time constraints and all and for what they ended up with I agree it was the best part of the whole movie.
It is the one part that pretty faithfully follows the narrative and look of the graphic novel. I am connviced they took a cue from the Warner motion comic which perfectly nails "Watchmaker" from every aspect, especially music. Check it out if you havent seen it yet..
About 16 hours long in total but worth it. "Watchmaker" and "the abyss looks inward" BY FAR being the best
Cool video on what would have been. Zack Snyder is the reason I even know or care about Watchmen. Watchmen is my top 3 G.O.A.T comic book films. Change my entire view of comic book films. And I cant unsee what I saw. Thank you Zack.
That's an excellent picture.
Me too !, zack is the reason i care about Superman etc, cant wait for zack snyder's Justice League
I'm in no way familiar with The Watchmen comics, but I that Zacks movie was very stylish and different. I also think Man Of Steel is a good Superman movie.
I think Zack is an average director at best. He did the best be could with the Watchmen though.
You should thank Alan Moore for the quality of the comic.
@@JudeMarchisio his visuals were great tho
Zack Snyder's Watchmen is my favorite comic book movie of all time. But I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be interested in seeing Paul Greengrass' take.
I love Synders Watchmen I just wish he at the very least didn't make the rest of the non Manhattan cast legit superheroes. As cool as was to see The Comedian to punch through concrete it definitely missed the point that these were just normal, very flawed people. They didn't have super strength..even though I'm sure years of crime fighting led to learning how to fight.
I used to be bitter about the ending change regarding to squid but it'd be hard to put that on the big screen..although the HBO show did show it in all its glory
@Rick koontz It's a fantastic TV show, and has a much better understanding of the book than the Snyder film did lol
@Rick koontz Watching a nearly 3 hour video "several times", surely there's a better way to spend time
@Conan You're slow
even though it never got past early talks, words cannot describe how completely filled with rage the idea of "Tim Burton's Watchmen" makes me
God, I remember when all of this was happening. Sam Hamm's script was one of the first scripts I ever read! It was definitely the first "superhero" script I ever read and even though I didn't care for it, I followed the project for almost 20 years. I really couldn't avoid it. Every time someone new jumped on board, every movie mag would cover it! It really looked as if it was never going to get made. Anyhow, thanks for another great video!
The Hayter version seemed so great, he was one of the few that understood that a faithfull adaptation wasn't just copying imagery from the comic panels, but rather understanding the meaning and impact of those panels. It's a shame we never got to see neither Greengrass' or Hayter's vision and that instead we got Snyder's sterilized adaptation.
Someday HBOMax will give us the Watchmen series this material deserves.
There already was an HBO Watchmen show
@@werecam56and it was.... eh.. unique...
@@cruzcola4515 It was pretty decent.
But really, I hope Watchmen doesn't get anymore adaptations/follow-ups. Let it rest.
Or at least let it rest until Alan Moore gets his damn royalties.
Zack did it justice. He used the comic as the storyboard. Now there can be some debate on the execution of some scenes, but over all? The best.
Nah I seriously disagree, it doesn't carry the same messages at all
No, he really missed the point. Rorschach and the other heroes aren’t supposed to be shown as “cool” or “badass”.
@@Matter-Dark rorschach is still a right wing nut job who hates gay people in the movie. I don't know why you think he is cool.
@@mburumorris3166 He said Rorschach AND the other heroes aren't aren’t supposed to be shown as “cool” or “badass”, meaning he never said Rorschach was cool.
One of the most underrated channels on TH-cam. Keep up the good work 👍🏾
In the scene from David Hayters Watchmen, we get a crossover between Bruce Wayne and the Punisher.
I remember loving Watchmen as a kid/teen, but when I actually read the graphic novel years later, I understood why the movie was so heavily criticized. It reallt did miss the point of the book.
Paul Greengrass' Watchmen sounds like a great film it would have updated it but kept the spirit of the story
Is it possible to do documentary on George Lucas' version of Star Wars Sequel Trilogy and Ghostbusters 3?
Saemin Kang I guess that the plot for ghostbusters 3 was used in the video game.
@@srstriker6420 yes. With all the original 4 cast members reprising their roles. But there was also Dan Ackroyd's version, 'Ghostbusters: Hellbent' set to release on 1999. From what I heard, it would have the team going to Man-Hell-tten ruled by Donald Trump like Demon Lord. Idk, it sounds bizzare.
Saemin Kang Ivo Shandor
We really don't know much about George's vision.
I don't think anyone reeeeeeeeally has that information except George
Bottom Barrel Budget Films well he was going to use Darth talon as the main antagonist of the trilogy
Everyone: "Doctor Manhattan was always gonna be a challenge"
Zack Snyder: "Hold my gigantic CGI blue penis"
The Rorschach in Hayters test footage might be my favorite rendition of the character, despite the cheap Halloween costume. It focuss on making the character unnerving rather than badass like in Snyder's version (which completely misses the point of the character). The hayter rendition actually tries to portray how unhinged he is
Snyder really did a great job with Watchmen. One of my favourite comicbook movie adaptations.
David Bowie would had nailed as Ozymadias Nightowl maybe Kevin Costner but Robin Williams that would had been insane.
Costner would be a terrible choice for Owl.
@@nl3064 For sure some actors need to stay away from comic book movies.
Oh to have the ability to just poke a hole in parallel universes and pluck Blu-Rays because all those potential takes are fascinating. I genuinely had no idea on most of these and the more details I got the more I wanted to see these versions that sadly will never be. Even if bits are recycled in later versions they just won't hit the same. Like a Burton in his prime version and a Ultra grounded 9/11 take, and even Robin Williams! They're bizarre and different in the best of ways. Noticed I always appreciated comic movies that stray away from the source material and aim to be more innovative and awesome takes even if they're not "the best" there's a charm to them. Prefer them to have roots and flavoring of the iconic but still go all out on an ideas and be a movie first, like how Batman 89, Batman Returns, classic Superman , 2000s Fox, Universal, Paramount, and Sony Marvel movies and MCU phase 1 were handled, Man of Steel, BvS, and Joker. Even something like the bubble gum pop style of Suicide Squad has something I enjoy all be it feeling too soft for a film about murderous flamboyant psychopaths While having no intrigue on the Disney MCU and post Zack Snyder DCEU. I've read the books and wanting the exact same beats from would be selfish in a way and also while the idea that everyone in the audience is a die hard fan of the source is a romantic idea it's mostly a lie because of trends that results in watered down very bland movies people could pretend to enjoy. Wish we could drop the act and let go all out again.
Can you do on Hollywood’s attempts making a live action Akira?
please do a video on Stanley Kubrick's unmade project "Napoleon"
What if Kubrick had done Watchmen?
@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 then Dr. Manhattan would be a cosmic being, without a body. Silk Specter would be used as a useless sex object female, and Rorschach would be like a typical trenchcoat detective, the story would not be about the world and politics, but about the characters itself and their downfall. and Alan Moore still wouldn't like the movie Lol
@@v-trigger6137 lol
It’s content like this that makes me hit the sub and bell. Great video. Agree with most as well, would love to see the Paul Greengrass/updated version; would be REALLY cool.
I want to live in the world where Sir Jorah got to play Night Owl 2, he looked and sounded great.
Iain Glen as Nite Owl is just top tier casting
I’m really glad we didn’t get the tim burton version.
14:46 Snake? Snake!
I love that Snyder got to direct it. But damn, some of those earlier casting proposals would have been awesome. Robin Williams, Jude Law, yes please.
This is one my favorite Channels on TH-cam. This was a great update to you all Watchmen Documentary. Please keep them coming.
a modern watchmen sounds so interesting
This was such a great documentary man, well done!
whoa the guy who plays Nightowl also plays Bruce Wayne on Titans, pretty rad
patrick wilson played him in the movie
Iain Glen was in the test footage
@@NobleRaider2747 lol exactly what I said
Wow, what an awesome documentary... Thank you so much for this.
damn alan moore would have written a dope script
Snyder didn't understood Watchmen. He was more into slowmotion scenes and explotions. He started with giving all the "heroes" in the film superpowers.
Right in the first scene, where in the book the murder of Comedian is only mentions in flashback.
Snyder had to ruin it all by showing a fight between two person with superhuman strength (smashing their fists through walls etc) that is the opposite of what the comic was about.
Snyder also thought that Rorscach looks cool in his mask and fedora. Lets make him the misundertstood hero of the watchmen, a working-class-Batman. So he took out some of his lines and make him more "human".With Superpowers of course.
Rorscach in the comic is a highly antisocial individual. A dangerous psychotic with personality disorders. But Snyder just makes him look misunderstood with cool lines and a little bit of PTSD maybe.
Snyders other big mistake is that he made Adrian into a boring Bond villain. In the comic, Adrian is really sad by the murders he committed and even doubts his own plan. He is a philanthropist and a utilitarian. And a very complex character. But Snyder made him into a one-dimensional Bond villain.
In my opinion Darren Aronofsky could had made a great adaptation in the form of a miniseries. Which we eventually we got but with only a few of the original characters who was completely out of character.
BTW, excuse me for my bad English. I am from Sweden.
You don´t need superpowers to be that strong!
@@tobbakken2911 But all of Snyders charachters in Watchmen has superpower.
Snyder also thought that Rorscach looks cool in his mask and fedora. Lets make him the misundertstood hero of the watchmen, a working-class-Batman. So he took out some of his lines and make him more "human".With Superpowers of course.
Rorscach in the comic is a highly anntisocial individual. A dangerous psyhotic with personality disorders. But Snyder just makes him look misunderstood with cool lines and a little bit of PTSD maybe.
Snyders other big misstake is that he made Adrian into a boring Bond villain. In the comic, Adrian is really sad by the murders he comitted and even doubts his own plan. He is a philanthropist and a utilitarian. And a very complex charakter. But Snyder made him into a one-dimensional Bond villain.
Again excuse for my bad English, I am from Sweden.
Overall, I think it's obvious to assume that Snyder is a director that overall prefers style over substance. Which sucks.
What a shock, snyder haters are everywhere
He kept the lines that showed Rorschach was a Homophobe and right wing nut-job. In the book we also see rorschach being abused as a child and we do feel sorry for him. He is just as sympathetic in the book idc what Alan Moore says because he always keeps contradicting himself. I don't agree with rorschach in the movie and in the book but I feel sorry for him
I'm actually happy with the version that we got. I think Watchmen is Zack Snyder's best film I especially love the director's cut!
Even while I love Zack Snyder's take on Watchmen, I'd have love to watch Paul Greengrass' version.
Gilliam's Watchmen would've been amazing. I'd personallycast Liam Nelson as Rorschach.
Loved to have seen Greengrass take.
I've read the comics and I loved Snyder's version . In today's age of web-series I think he would have done it better than the current series if he was given more time to explore the world.
Very informative. I really enjoyed it. Keep up the good work.
33:40 this part got me to watch the film Threads, based on the clips shown and how Greengrass described it… I regretted it immediately after I was done watching it. Damn you Supervoid Cinema & Paul Greengrass lmafo 🤣. Keep up the good work tho for real!
I will always maintain that Philip Seymour Hoffman would have been the perfect choice for Night Owl -
All of this already happened in the X-Men comic books
I love the way Snyder changed the alien squid into the S.Q.U.I.D. energy project. Made MUCH more sense.
I would’ve preferred seeing David Bowie as either Ozy or Dr Manhattan
Danny Glover Toussaint louverture biopic about the Haiti Revolution.
Guierrmo Del Toro Hellboy 3 please.
I've got a few lined up but will definitely get down to the list to those (if another channel doesn't do it first)
I really wish that they would put the david hader unreleased version out for streaming or on dvd. This scene was awsome.
Wow, this looks like a lot of work, and I learned a bunch, thanks for your hard work.
I had an issue of Wizard magazine from like 2003 with an interview of a guy who spent years trying to pitch a watchmen adaptation in Hollywood. I forgot his name but was he mentioned in this video?
Could be David Hayter? He had it for the best part of that decade.
@@SupervoidCinema yea probably. I tried googling it with no results. I'd have to dig up my copy some time.
19:31 heyyy that guy from Game of Thrones....
Do cancelled Star Wars movies and X-men movies as well if you want to
Danny Glovers Toussaint Louverture Biopic about The Haiti Revolution
The fact that the voice of Solid Snake is a credited screenwriter on Watchmen is incredible to me.
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Please come back 🤣
Hey man, cheers, I'll be uploading a few in the next couple of weeks.
People like Moore and Ennis tend to overthink the effects of literal Godlike beings in the modern society. Often veering into self-parody due over reliance on grittiness and grand conspiracies.
What
@@pigeonheadedman5225 They're so pragmatic about deconstruction and realism that it wraps around into being more absurd than normal superheroes.
Ennis not as much as Morrison or Ellis though.
David Bowie as Rorschach certainly would be interesting. I just keep thinking of a codpeice
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The Paul Greengrass version would be really good especially since it made sense at that time and it still does to this day.
It would have been dated within two years and completely unwatchable.
@@RockandrollNegro yeah, ok. So the book is dated and completely unreadable. 🙄🙄🙄
Paul Greengrass chilled out with the shaking camera, which I think was good cause Bourne 2 I couldn't watch. To much shaky cam, Bourne 3 was a good balance.
@Supervoid Cinema - nice work. Please equalize volume throughout - it's a lot of work to keep adjusting volume. Also, zero music is nice but that's me - I'm a composer and three seconds of "somebody else's choice" makes my body hurt.
gilliam would have made a wild ass watchmen movie id have paid to see
Excellent work!
this made me miss robin williams so bad even though he was only mentioned briefly one time. i wish i could bring him back. he brought so much joy to the world, though he was suffering. i guess its better off that he doesn't have to suffer anymore. rip.
You sir found yourself a new subscriber! Amazing job!
Paul Greengrass' Watchmen sounds amazing
It sounds absolutely terrible.
Way awsome to see Sheffield on here. My city. Threads is great for sure.
They was gonna cut the best stuff!! The comdien death scean is one of the very best action fights in film ever 💯🤯
thing i love about the watchmen it can work so many time lines. would love greengrass version. we could litereally do one now during bush / trump leading to what's happening now in Ukraine.
Please do a segment on the stunning lack of Historical epics involving Africa or black people. Toussaint Louverture and the Haiti Revolution by Glover is the only one I can think of that I've recommended already
Watchmen movie really makes me want for JDM to play Thomas Wayne in a live action Flashpoint
I love the idea of doing an more updated take on the source material. And I don't mean the way HBO did with making it all about Race. It was interesting, but failed to really captivate me. Make it based and revolve around a post Trump era. Maybe make the alternate history one where the January 6th insurrection of the capital actually started a civil war or something
Make it where the January 6th was an insurrection first. Then make it where people open their eyes to most of the conspiracies turned out to be true then people rebel against the government and realize that they where playing most citizens against each other to keep them distracted from the truth which is we are already living inside a different time line and they control it through sheeple, gullible people. Make it where the food being processed has a chemical that keeps you glued to the tv social media that’s all controlled the government and it always playing something to keep the sheep scared. Like if you go out side there will be a massive shadowed figure that will pull out your soul.
@@nobody127yago8 Dude, would you just shut up? All I did was pitch an idea for a film, and there you go on some political rant. This is why I hate both the far left and the right. You can't say literally anything without them taking it as an opportunity to "educate" you.
So make it about race...
Just the the other one...🤔
The tv show wasn’t all about race. 😂 That’s just all you see if you’re triggered by honest discussions about race relations. Sad.
If the Watchmen film had happened in the 90's or early 2000's, Rene Auberjonois and Jeff Daniels would've been good choices for Rorschach and Nite Owl II respectively
That Greengrass cast was on point.......
Idk if he would have played it better than Jackie Earl Haley but Bowie definitely looks like comic Rorschach in the face and he had the red hair for it at that time so it would have been interesting
Tremendous work! Thanks.
That test footage was amazing
learned a lot, thanks
Are you the same guy from Good Bad Flicks? Maybe is my non-native english ear, but you sound a lot like him. And your concepts and format are similar.
Just curiosity! I love your channel and your extensive research work.
No, I've watched GoodBadFlicks for years though.
Almost ever time they showed the look of the different versions of watchmen they wanted to create i just started going " what the fu... Im happy that didnt happen"
This ist a great Channel ! Is IT more to come ??
Yeah, a few at once very soon.
7:13 Holy shit
7:22 Holy shit
Snyder's adaption was fine overall. But, unfortunately, his involvement in the watchmen project ruined his artistic vision he used to have when he did the 300 film, which was a masterpiece. Now he can't do anything else without referencing or paying homage to it. Like he did with Superman and Batman.
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Ouch, Jorah Mormont's American accent is rough in that test film. I love Ray Stevenson but I don't see him in that role (think he might could do the Comedian justice though). The 80s version had a killer cast but the script probably wasn't that great from the sound of it and they wouldn't have been able to do the necessary special effects. 80s effects would have looked pretty cheesy imo (I say this as a 41 year old man who grew up with this stuff). I think the version that we ultimately got has a great presentation and looks almost perfect. Snyder is good at presentation, can't knock him there. If Snyder and the writers only would have understood the underlying themes of the story on more than a superficial level it could have been awesome. I'm not even saying that it wasn't "intellectual" enough, I mean the comic practically beats it's themes over your head so you don't exactly have to be a big brain to see what Moore was going for. Snyder just totally missed the mark for whatever reason. Looks great tho.
Indeed. Gilliam concluded that Watchmen was unfilmable, and he was right if he meant in 1989. Pre 1999 effects just weren't there for the material.
Snyder's looked great, but I suspect not because he missed the point, but because he disagrees with Moore's thesis. Presented with a hypothetical where freelance costumed crime fighters were commonplace, Moore concludes it would be disgusting and horrifying. Snyder concludes "Righteous street justice! Cool!!"
One and possibly the only lacking thing in your wonderful documentaries is volume normalisation - some interviews and dialogues are very quiet, some are loud while all of that should optimally be on the same volume level as your narration.
I love Snyder's Watchmen. Still believe it to be one of the best comic book movies ever. But I also wish to have Watchmen with Ray Stevenson as Rorschach.
Rest in Peace, Ray Stevenson. You never gave us your Rorschach in full power, but you still gave us a lot of amazing performances Titus Pollo, Punisher, Volstagg to name a few. Rest in Peace
I'd trade a more visually faithful Snyder's version over a better written Greengrass version
When's the new video
I have never heard the term “Western Asia” before
tfw Solid Snake carried the hell out of this film and tried to get it done.