How Watchmen BROKE Alan Moore | Explains
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- Today on Total Nerd Comics, we'll explain the history of The Watchmen and how it almost destroyed Alan Moore. Watchmen is by far the most complex comic ever made. Does that mean it’s the best? Well, that’s in the eye of the beholder. But what can’t be argued about is that Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons really put their all in Total Nerd Explainer: How Watchmen Broke Alan Moore.
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Few men stand by their principles... Alan is one man that does. I respect him for that, its a shame the world is full of cheats and chancers.
Oh come on. He has sold the rights to ALL of his comics, then bitches when the movie ends up sucking.
I LOVE his comics. Arguably the greatest comic writer of all time (to me he is easily the greatest and its not even close). But he’s an absolute prima donna when it comes to discussing the publicizing rights of his works.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124what was his principle?
Alan was the guy who signed the contract. He knew what he was doing. Alan Moore is a dick and an A HOLE who shits on his own fans.
Alan Moore is a hack postmodern socialist who couldn't stand being confronted with how much people are disgusted by moral relativism (Rorschach is his best creation and is everything he stands against--oh the delicious irony). Fuck Alan Moore.
Am a huge Moore fan BUT still think he was naive in trusting DC at all. Remember that this is the company that screwed over Siegel & Shuster, Bill Finger and many other creators out of their ownership rights in the 40s. Why did he believe that DC Comics would treat him any better???
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Trusting corporations is a trrribly i suppose nessary part of life as we accept it right meow. Money is thr root of all evil and the only concern of a corp is to make it, maximum ammounts of growth and things like that. ?
Even if they didn't already have a track record of screwing people over, you should never actually trust anyone on a business deal. Get everything in writing, and get a lawyer.
He knew what he was signing
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Rorschachs journal October 12 2022
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ACTUALLY: The original idea for Watchmen used the Mighty Crusaders characters from Archie Comics. After they turned him down he returned to DC where he wrote the story with the Charlton characters before being told to create his own characters.
Can you prove this?
Wait... was that.. Iain Glen, in the film test for Watchmen? Who later went on to portray Jorah Mormont in Game of Thrones?
Yes.
and Ray Stevenson(R.I.P), who played punisher, played rorschach
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*I won't call it a regret buuuuut I saw Watchmen at the comic book store and* I stared at the cover and thought "anyone can draw and make a comic book." I had a chance to buy this series when it first came out but it didn't look finished or glossy like DC or Marvel superhero comics so I passed over it. After the movie, I bought a trade paperback of the originals and realized it was a good story. The movie looks good however it didn't get the comic at all. I wonder if it's deliberate in order to make the movie OR a shortcoming of Snyder and friends who misunderstand nuances in writing over the cool picture panels.
Great video! Keep up the good work!
Watchmen is my favourite comic of all time easily. Being aware that humans are marching to extinction through greed and stupidity, the thought of the smartest man in the world killing millions to stop that march asked a lot of questions
It's not all people but a few and even the text doesn't agree with Ozymandias
I think Snyder's version completely missed the point of the original material.
It's what happens when you get an idiot to handle an acclaimed piece of work, imagine Michael Bay remaking the Godfather, Flo Rida covering the Beatles, or David Cage making a Zelda game
@gnelson7225 oh dear god. That's absolutely horrifying
Watchmen didn't break Moore. It was a combination of Moore being naive and DC being a regular corporation.
DC: Does what corporations have been doing since the East India Trading Company.
Alan Moore: 🤯
DC was literally doing what was in their contract. Moore wasn't swindled. Just sucked at understanding his job.
What's Ironic is DC gave up Boys comic similarly. It was never as huge as Watchmen but now adapted into a success Amazon show. Homelander successfully being part of pop-culture now.
@@hellishhybrid18391:40 why did DC hire them
4:43 Watchmen is also the only comic to be included among the 1,001 Books You Must Read Before You Die.
I seem to recall something about when DC acquired the rights to reprint V for Vendetta, Moore initially refused to complete the story but capitulated when they threatened to just have someone else write the ending. I could be wrong, though, as I can't find any reference to that now.
Wow, what an eventful history. Thanks for putting this together!
So far I've liked everything watchmen. Missed reading a few issues of before and doomsday but the movie was one of my favorites and the tv show was a lot of fun
In an interview in the comics journal back int he 80s Moore said he was approached to do something with the old characters
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Rorschach was a lot more Paleocon then Neocon, makes sense seeing as he's based on such an old character.
Whelp I watched the new show and it was pretty friggin good, eye opening much like the original books were back in the day. How old is this video?
just finished the show
Veidt's you know who calls what he is doing "reruns".
Well, that's what the entire show is. Reruns of the watchmen movie/comic. Sloppily rearranged bits and pieces of themese, plotlines and quotes, with some self insert fanfiction poking through
@@dango470 still mad about the racial themes huh?
@@axelramirez6730 less mad and more dissapointed. They had so much fertile ground to do something interesting and they just did the original watchmen reruns. I didnt say anything about the racial themes
@@dango470 i think they did great in capturing an extreme alternate version of our own reality. And the racial themes were great. Especially the superman metaphor in Tulsa you can tell the director really loves the comic with all the easter eggs and attention to detail
THEY ROBBED MY MAN SOLID SNAKE! His Watchman looks exactly like the one we got.
10:14 I hate to correct you, but I'm going to... the pin-up books and trading cards were earlier than you're talking about (circa 1994-95). The market crash didn't effect Wildstorm in a significant way until a few years later. That's when Wildstorm did the Heroes Reborn stuff for Marvel.... Shortly after that was the sale of Wildstorm to DC.
At least that's how I remember it when I worked there...
On the bright side, Superman never actually punches Dr. Manhattan... who Mary-Sued his way through the entire Justice League.
Great video. Curious your thoughts on Rorschach by Tom King
To be honest, I love Zach Snyder's Watchmen as equally as I love the books. Yes Snyder tried to be as faithful as he could (or allowed) but I understand why chances were necessary. That makes it a great companion piece to the graphic novel. I haven't watched the series, though.
Zack Snyder’s Watchmen is so unbelievably underrated. I’m glad it’s starting to gain the following it deserved to garner all along.
I think when you view the film through the lens of Snyder trying to make up for not being able to represent the whole novel by adding in parody and satire on the superhero movie genre as well, it makes it more palatable; it does the same thing the novel sought to do to comics, but apply it to film making.
It's not on the level of the comic but it's honestly the best we couldve hoped for out of an adaptation.
I believe the film makes more sense and can be enjoyed too, as a companion.
@@Shofixi it doesn’t need to be necessary
@@Shofixi whats the wrong picture?
I really enjoyed the movie.
I....uh....read the comics and enjoyed the concept Moore had come up with.
But the new online series? I couldn't make it thru the first episode.
So the guy who voices Solid Snake wanted to write a screenplay for Watchmen
I once heard a rumor that alanine Dave actually DID make a proof of concept an issue 1 essentially of watchmen where it had the original charlton comics character in this same rumor I heard that this copy is supposedly in the possession of Dave gibbons
Funny how the British invasion consisted of 2000 AD Creatives
I gave up purchasing monthly comics because of Before Watchmen. There are several unfortunate contributors to that series, most notably Moore collaborators Kevin Nowlan and Bill Sienkiewicz. Len Wein had been the editor on the original Watchmen series, and I regret that I will never get the opportunity to ask him if BW was a sort of revenge for Moore taking his schlocky Swamp Thing and elevating it into high art.
Funny how Dave slowly descended into depression
But it is understandable, poor Moore bro
05:40 hadn't heard of this
God, i still wish it was the silver age.
I still think that if those "artists" really cared about other artists and people, they wouldn't have worked on "before watchmen" unless the rights reverted back to morre and gibs. Of course then dc would try to find other people to do their bidden but if everyone said no then they would have to. I've never watched the show but I hope it failed and I'm sure it did cause I haven't heard anyone talk about it, ever.
Awesome video! I actually liked the new series, but guess it's not for everyone.
Comic publishing is almost entirely work-for-hire. You're quite simply lying to suggest that DC told Alan Moore he owned it. Even Moore admits he didn't know what he was signing.
It amazes me how these publishers so badly treat their talent.
I liked the movie. I think many didn't because they watch it like cops, looking to write citations on anything that either deviates or doesn't properly honor their beloved source material. I haven't read Before Watchmen, but Doomsday Clock was really well done, and can be enjoyed by all if one is willing to get past preconceived notions and prejudices ... The HBO series was really well done as well! I just wish there was a season 2.
Indeed😊
Gee, who would have seen that coming...I once as a ten year old watched Saturday Night Live, with Howard Cosell, when he showed in the audience after a Fleischer cartoon, Joe Siegle and Jerry Shuster as they were old and half blind and poor. After that low rated show, DC relented and gave them a stipend in their declining years, and with the proviso, if ABC ever showed that show again, or the Tommarow show with Neal Adams who championed them, they'd be censored out lest the old men still be left penniless. Yes, I'd love to have your take on being woke, fellows... @DCCOMICS
1:36 wait which British Invasion?
It's wild to me that sin city is haled as being amazing because of its dedication to the sorce material, and alot of people argue that same attention to detail, save one giant man killing alien, is maligned for the same thing
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.... fascinating
The HBO series was pretty good, though.
Adapting the work of others is great for privately learning your craft without having to deal with the creativity aspects quite so much. You can even share the adaptation with other artisans so they might critique your technique. At the very most, you might allow the creator of the original medium to see your interpretation of their work. But once you are ready to become a commercial artist, you need to create your own ideas that embrace the strengths and limitations of your particular medium. Watchmen is a college course in how to utilize the medium of comics. Adapting it to another medium is stupid. If you want to make a movie as good as Watchmen, make a new story that embraces the strengths of film.
So in other words, Synder and Moore had opposite worldviews?
Moore blessed Gilliam's adaptation because "mostly money"? How does that square with his attitude towards all other adaptations of his work?
Comparing what comes after with "Before Watchmen" and "Doomsday Clock" the HBO series is actually good, have some fo the Watchmen spirit. Doctor Manhattan played in the series is way more loyal to the original concept than the movie one
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Before Watchmen was mostly terrible and Doomsday Clock was alright, but constant delays hurt it badly.
However, the TV show was phenomenal and it received 26 Emmy nominations.
So it wasn't all bad.
Yeah i fuckin feel bad for you
What Veidt's you know who called him. Reruns. the entire thing is just a sloppy rearrangement of themes, plotlines and quotes
Anyone who thinks the TV show was good is someone who loves being force fed postmodern propaganda. Utter trash.
I'm here with Alan - it was one time gig, but Dead Company couldn't resist the temptation of milking this golden goose to the point of puke...
HBO's series is just awfull disaster, and good it ended soon enough. Prequels are ok, I refuse to touch Rorchach by Tom King - he's too many 'miss the target' guy for me.
Watchmen movie was great! Not as an adaptation, but as his own thing, yes!
I feel like Snyder's Watchmen movie is very underrated.
I dont understand why people complain about the Watchmen movie
its beautiful. its action sequences are so unique compared to every other action movie. Despite the obvious plot armour and good guys wading through hordes of bad guys, the way its filmed and framed makes it tense, exciting and impactful, unlike every other capeshit movie out there. Its kinda weird rewatching that movie in 2022 after seeing the latest marvel releases. How perfectly choreographed the fight scenes to a point where any element of danger or excitement or even aesthetic beauty is just pushed out in favour of clever quips and funny character dialogue as tehy mow down hordes of faceless mooks or have a perfectly predictable stand off between the hero and the villain. Whereas in Snyder's movie, the action sequences always have a purpose, they explore the different aspects of the characters, every frame an art piece
and honestly, its a faithful adaptation of the comic book. There's really no way to fit a 12 issue comic book into a 2 hour long film, at least not in a better way. anyone
Supreme is a masterpiece. It takes the silver age Superman, Supergirl, and other DC characters and makes it worse. In my opinion, it is the greatest Superman story ever told. His work for Image was excellent, but it wasn't as good as Watchmen and Supreme. And League of Extraordinary Gentleman is as good was Watchmen it its own way.
I liked Watchman, but I can't help but think it ruined comic books. Before Watchman comics were targeted towards kids with a lot of goofy action and bold colors. Now, every comic is targeted to adults: gritty and real, but they aren't fun anymore. You have to settle in an commit to reading 20 issues to get the "story arc". No simple one-issue shoot-em-ups.
Let’s be honest
Besides the comic the movie was the best watchmen thing
Before watchmen and the HBO show kinda sucked, and you gotta respect Zack for making a faithful adaptation, because it’s pretty obvious if Zack had changed a bunch of stuff he’d be criticised for that
THE SHOW IS BETTER THAN THE MOVIE
@@DARILARYON nahhhhh
You’d really think that any comic artist they approached to work on Before Watchmen with the full knowledge that Alan Moore doesn’t approve would have turned them down or insisted on showing it to Moore first. To think that they found a dozen people willing to compromise their artistic ethics like that is sort of depressing.
Ibdeed it did
I can barely hear you over the music tbh
He’s too self involved and a high functioning NPC, that’s why it broke him.
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This just in: Corporate America is not to be trusted. If you're dealing with a corporation over your intellectual property, hire a lawyer, hire two lawyers. Bill Finger just called: Alan Moore's a big baby.
little annoying delivery, but a GOOD overview.
Lucky me have original 12 comics. My dad has his 12 and one signed by Mr Alan Moore himself @
Watchmen was my favorite comic, it turned into a beautiful film, I even liked Before Watchmen and HBOs Watchmen. Sucks DC put the screws to it's creator.
Do you know if whether or not Dean Motters Mister x was an influence on watchmen?
A black mark on all the creators who participated in Before Watchmen. Bad judgement on their part.
loved the book, liked the film, hated the tv show.. (thats how things used to be with everything)
Just got tag with this video dang bro that just not cool why so much hate for zack snyder just coz he has an opinion like you hv for others .. grow up man
Perhaps, if you're going to sigh in exasperation, lamenting how Moore was mistreated regarding merchandising and movies and TV shows and sequel comics, you shouldn't wear a Superman t-shirt, since Siegel & Shuster were among the MOST screwed comic book creators, ever?
Reasons why Marvel and DC will die. So shady business practices.
And he wants his royalties to be sent to BLM. Guess they need another mansion. 😂
Watchmen is by far the most complex comic ever made. - depends on how you define comics and the "western canon" - you mean superhero stuff from the US, right? There is a bigger world out there. Why is this so hard for Americans to understand?
He says in Western canon. Which is arguably less cringe than w33b shite.
Died for our sins
Imo Waychmen the movie is zack’s masterpiece. True to 97% of the comic, and great as a movie. Fantastic acting. Need to rid the sex scene that was not in the comic
I love so much how Snyder literally flipped the script and demonstrated beyond all doubt how much better objectivism is than moral relativism. So satisfying.
i walked out of the watchman movie it was so evil and disgusting. occultism is pure evil.
Please say sike
I just saw this video and i was enjoying it until you starting making awful facial expression at snyder's image. You need to mature up its offensive for alot of viewers snyder is not just an awesome artist but he is dyslexic still makes awesome movie i hv a family member who has the same problems and I know how he suffers on daily bases.
Seriously you would make heinous face in front of zack snyder picture .. grow up
Right I think it's cool like almost a trend to be that way towards Zack Snyder
That didn't age well
You first sentence of the video. "in the eye of the beholder " exactly thats how you should look at things & not make ugly faces at other human beings just coz they made a movie which you personally didn't like. In short practice what you preach
Honestly, by now I'm tired of Alan Moore's complaining. Sure, he's a good writer, but he's not as good as even he thinks he is. He should never have signed the Watchman contract as it was given to him. That doesn't make it right for DC to take advantage but...
Moore has worked steadily for a long time regardless of this. Which is more than many other writers in the medium can say. And you said at the end something like everyone being dicks to one another, it's clear you really didn't mean "everyone". Soo this video ends up being just one more one-sided piece. What would have been more interesting would be a piece playing "devil's advocate" and trying to look at it from another angle. Unfortunately making interesting videos is rarely what ScreenCrush is about anymore.
What's Total Nerd got to do with ScreenCrush?
Don't quit your day job
Don’t quit your job at McDonalds.
@@depressedkermit5337 a year later? OK, good for you. I don't remember this video at all
@@DirkPiddlemark well you are the one out here giving career advice even though you ain’t shit.
This dude doesn't look healthy at all.
I don't like you.
you cant blame Alan they stabbed him in the back too many times