Because Ukraine has historically been a small area around 1/3 of the size it is right now. Russia ceded a lot of land to their Ukrainian brethren but if Ukrainian government is going to be anti Russian then Russia wants their land back.
Listen to John Mearsheimer at the University of Chicago. He is the only Intrrnational Scholar on GeoPolitics. No one else studies International Geopolitics from more than one ideology. Sorry, but ignorance is Bliss. No one wants to use their own brains to work out Truth from Dogma. I guess thinking is something of which few are capable?
A very good discussion again. Anderi Illarionov made a point, which I haven't heard expressed so clearly before, and which I think is true, that Finland and Sweden joining the NATO is a win-win situation even for the Russian people. On the other hand Finland, Sweden and the rest of the Europe get more security, but also as the likelihood of there being a war between Russia and the rest of the Europe will diminish, the Russian people are less likely to be dragged into a war by whoever happens to be their leader.
Vladimir Putin must definitely be in the running to get a Nobel prize! He has single-handedly pushed Europe towards green energy faster than even Greta Thunberg could have imagined, increased the defence spending hugely in Germany and throughout NATO, strengthening it more than many would have thought possible, even adding previously neutral Finland and perhaps Sweden as well, and exploded the myth of what a great military machine Russia has. What a huge accomplishment for a single person!
Some people are speaking with the premise that we care what Putin wants or doesn't want. We do not fear what he does or what he doesn't do. We do not fear offending Putin. Putin has lost all respect from us.
You have to give respect to get respect as well as being able to place reserves in foreign banks, signing treaties + sticking by them. Cultivating Ukrainian Neo nazis + giving them cabinet jobs when US installed the puppet regime in Ukraine is another way to disrespect a nation + to start + back a race war in Donbas in 2014 was disrespectful.
@@shasha259 Also US gov. has gone to such lengths as to fabricate massacares, support and cover up boberdment of civilians in Donbass, and whole bunch of other stuff. They have completely taken of their masks in this war, and all you see is madmen. Wonder how long US will last with them in charge, great nations were not upheld or build by such men. Sad really. Hopefully they will not spark a nuke war in their mad hysteria.
If Putin thought the world reacted to much over his invasion of Ukraine just imagine the reaction to striking against Finland or Sweden. Most people I know couldn't find Ukraine on a map before the war but they all know Finland and Sweden. The bond between those nations and the rest of Europe and the US is VERY strong.
Finland and Sweden both members of EU, it game over for Putin, and maybe 22 Republic or non-Russian ethnic majority Republic will broke from Russia like USSR Republic
@@diogenes7 using nukes is not viable option, everyone knows that....Putin is not that mad, let alone ppl around him. Plus it would resolve nothing but impose even greater danger to Russia itself if it would ever use nukes first. Besides both Sweden and Finland have now security guarantees from UK
Please remember that Putin has lied in the past and has portrayed a rather passive dialogue when events did not go his way. New nations joining NATO and Putins rather passive or at least immediate reactions have appeared rather quiet...be so careful and do not allow this person to fool all thinking he is not overly concerned about new memberships in NATO.
Dialog with Russia is unrealistic as long as Putin is in power. Putin and Russia have to be isolated totally until Putin is out of the picture. Unity of the nations against Russia is the only way to drive home the point that Czarist Russia will never be resurrected from the graveyard of history. Heidi is quite right in saying Putin can not be trusted to mean what he says, that we should be realistic when dealing with an untrustworthy Putin who lacks integrity and other moral virtues. Her analysis is best and most comprehensive.
I just heard The President of Finland say he just spoke with Putin. He was amazed how calm Putin was, and accepting. He said Finland had been determined to remain neutral, until Putin ordered them, saying that they could not join NATO.
At the inception of NATO the former Soviets blockaded access to Berlin, established an embargo, eventually built a closed border between Warsaw Pact Nations and NATO Nations and attempted to seige Berlin by cutting access in and out of West Berlin (see Berlin Airlift). So consistently the Soviets and Russia have consistently opposed NATO and brought tactics to bear short of open warfare but included incursions into air spaces. The Soviets brutally repressed independence movements and alignments non-Soviet approved within the Warsaw Pact.
But after the collapse of communism and the Warsaw pact the Russians haven't threatened anyone. NATO had become obsolete but by continuing to expand eastwards managed to find a new enemy for itself in Russia. The US uses NATO to assert control over Europe and isolate Russia.
Ahh yes, back in the day when everyone played by the rules of basic Game Theory. Unfortunately to play by such a game you have to have some level of belief that your opponent is at a minimum a rational actor. We all knew both side were playing this game in 1949, but we just aren't seeing that from Russia in 2022. I have no idea what rule book they are now operating by.
But don’t wake up Surprised, if Putin’s Role - is too force all independent countries into the New World of Orders - with a faked War. Because Time is Running Out Before the Real Aliens Who Are in disguise as Rulers on this Planet. Think About it. Based upon their rules for Us, if we cross anybody else’s boundaries, You’re An Alien. They made this a Rule and that’s why We Don’t Believe That the Real Aliens Exists... Yet they are before our eyes as Corporations Who have More Rights then Humans Meaning, They Are the Real Aliens - Traveling in Human Vehicles or Bodies 🤨
Putin actually expected the everyone to allow him to invade Ukraine just like when he annexed Crimea. He also expected the war to last a few weeks at most before Ukraine capitulated leaving little for anyone else to do anything about his occupation. None of the pressure Putin is being placed under right now would have happened if Ukraine would have just folded.
I blame Obama/Biden for the invasion of Crimea. The US is now sending serious weaponry to Ukraine, but Biden's 1-month delay following the invasion hurt Ukraine.
Yes to a certain degree, but Unfortunately Ukraine is a sitting duck already, now watch out the entire world economy its starting to crack, especially the US,EU and UK, just to give you a clear picture here in the UK the price of energy it's going to the roof it jumped from25c to a kilowatt to 75c you do the math mate. It's going to blow up in our faces, wait until its nippy, and I guarantee you if you're not wealthy enough you're not going to turn the heating on, remember the rich always stay richer?
The funny thing is they did actaully send troops and a few tanks (whatever they had) to the Finnish border. The Finns reacted swiftly by deploying a bunch of tractors in response. I kid you not!
Putin moved his goal posts a tad too far since it means it makes a whole new field with the Finnish and Swedish having their own goal posts, so Putin moving it out of Ukraine left him facing another armed and now choosing a side Nation that is not just a pushover. Sometimes it is best to leave the goalposts where they are at and take yer (little) lumps vs taking the larger lumps from having yer whole Western border suddenly be Nato, or close to it
I will make it short. This came from s Finnish veteran i spoke with. A war with russia is something that must NEVER happen. That is something the world must understand.
Putin needs an enemy to keep his approval ratings up at home, the problem is that he's an autocrat trying to hold onto power, first it was Chechnya, then Georgia, Ukraine and of course there's always the big bad imperial USA to blame all of your problems on.
Imagine a world in which the United States simply appreciated the vast territory it possesses and treated the whole world well, for example, Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia.
@@kirillvlasov9642 The United States never made territorial claims on those countries. Libya was a French initiated operation. Iraq had invaded Iran and Kuwait. Yugoslavia had ceased to exist.
@@calc1657 Do you think an invasion without claims to part of the territory is ok? The United States supported the French invasion of Libya, without their support it would not have been possible. The capture of Iraq took place after the liberation of Kuwait and no connection with Iran. Yugoslavia was destroyed by military force, sanctions and political pressure.
The French president will tell Putin that, based on our experience in World War II, when someone comes to attack you, you surrender and then the people in the overdue practice cooperate so that you can survive.
@@olivierjasko The French president has asked Ukraine to negotiate with Russia, arguing that concessions are more important than fighting for their own sovereignty.
@@olivierjasko “old and inaccurate “? My parents were alive the last time France surrendered to the Nazis. They’re both still alive today. Wasn’t that long ago.
Well, I would have to examine this proposal more closely. The United States has a long and checkered history of bribing, blackmailing or coercing countries to commit to things...This fulfills America's blood lust to own and control the entire planet...
@@czogg99 They are disrespected anyway by the elitist USUK armies in exercises. Possibly with good reason but diplomacy no longer exists in NATO only threats.
Putin has already made his position clear. He is not against Finland and Sweden joining NATO. What he is adamant about is NATO placing its Nuclear missiles and troops(aka American) in Finland and Sweden. Both countries will try to follow Norway's example of "No weapons and No NATO troops on Norwegian soil" What both countries need to worry about is Turkey's veto of them joining.
Isn't Russia/former USSRs WarPac threatening Europe the main reason for the, successful, mutual defense alliance called NATO? So, Putin, by threatening smaller European countries standing alone is confirming that joining NATO is the smarter security move. I wouldn't mind other nations around the world joining such a mutual defense alliance to deter aggression because it has worked. Secondly, who really cares what Russia thinks now? Do we consult with the murderer, burglar, rapist before we install an alarm, call the police, defend ourselves to find out what they think about it? Russia has over-stepped (after a international pass on Chechnya, South Ossetia, Syria, and the Crimea) and shown that it is a paper bear (incompetent leadership, inferior equipment, unprofessional undisciplined soldiers). Russia has the nuclear threat, but heck, it is the same aging, expensive-to-maintain nuclear threat that has been in place (and on "high alert") for 70 years. And what is the Russian endgame? essentially the whole world is against Russia now, aside from some tinpot dictators, and even former economic allies are afraid of the economic consequences of being perceived as supporting Russia. Banking, communications, computing, transportation/air travel, entertainment, and just inclusion in and access to world culture are rolling back in Russia to the early 90s. So ironically, Putin got back the Russia that he nostalgically longed for.
@@KydoimosOfMachai But it was paid for ? Oh.. rite , You mean like a Special Military Operation to de-nazify it ? Tell your buddy Vlad, Im sure he'' go 4 it. But maybe he's scared of a big country ? Let's see ??
Thank you for an excellent international discussion about Russia, Ukraine, and the European Union. I understood that all these European voices spoke with one voice for peace in Europe with a raised fist, insisting that peace could not come without an implacable demand for peace from Russia.
I believe it is important to relegate "Putin's role" to a narrative that he does not control. Let them do what they will. For decades we have allowed by default, the Russian vantage take center stage. They will deal with defeat. If others are compassionate, then allow Russia to return to the fold. Otherwise, "we've heard it all before."
I think it is time that Mr Putin must go to the front and fighting his own wars and NOT playing with young peoples lives the sooner the better the negotiations will start as soon as possible the moment when he experience war himselves.
No one considers that all other countries have the right to have a security zone except Russia...why is that? In other words, let me surround your house with all things military and call you the aggressor when you complain...makes sense to me...
There is only one person for which this war has been a greater disaster than Putin, and that's Macron. Sweden and Finland could have pushed for an EU defence pack. It took them less than a second to reject that delusion and go for joining NATO instead, with the first step to that being a bi-lateral defence pack with the UK.
This is so true! Russia completely out of the Ukraine, including Ukraine!. Renault should destroy all its tooling as should Mc Donalds so it doesn't become Mc Putins! Love from Australia!
There won't be. Everything will continue like it has so far, the only diffetence is now we are under article 5. Nuclear weapons are not strategically wise to be placed in Finland anyways, too close to Russia and in danger to be captured. US nuclear weapons will stay in Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium and Italy, like they have been for ages. And we don't need bases. The Baltics need them, so better have them there, if anywhere.
I thought the show was peaceful with no anger. There may be a difference between what a person thinks and what a person says, although might as well say it’s the same thing, possibly without being judgmental of people in their moments of privacy. It may be preferable to use the exact word “uncompromising” to describe conflicts, rather than to use metaphorical comparisons, even if seemingly accurate, influential, or user-friendly. I’m reminded of that amazing lyric “...don’t back down” at 2:34 in the Bon Jovi song “It’s My Life”.
@@notastone4832 yes, but how many of those Russians are willing to attack an army that's even more prepared than the Ukrainians were and have been preparing for this fight for over 60 years?
I don't understand why Russia thinks it has the right to dictate how other sovereign countries can defend themselves, within the borders of their own country.
Now Sweden n Finland have two inevitable potentials namely to fight Putin alone or to fight him under the umbrella of NATO. Every one can guess which of the two options they will opt.
Don't you think that the Russian Foreign Minister said to Putin, "You're doing the opposite of deterring Finland and Sweden from joining NATO." Unsure who has the worse advisors, Putin or Biden.
Russia can easily provide free farmland in Siberia to 200 million willing Chinese and other nationalities so it can bulk up in terms of population and population wise have a larger pool of potential soldiers and tax base. Then form a formal military alliance with China, Hungary. Iran and Syria & Libya. Then restructure its military based on the lessons learned and in 20 years it will have a much better country to withstand what NATO or West may want to throw at it militarily or industrially.
Great place to farm, almost like Antarctica. I think China has their own interests. In twenty years Russia will have a living standard almost as good as North Korea.
Because Putin supposedly has cancer. We wouldn’t want him to decide that he’ll take the world with him. He needs an exit ramp. Regardless, he’ll be a pariah in the western sphere of influence. Keep in mind the two biggest countries in the world (China and India) still back Russia and a lot its interests. And if we let this war play out til the last Ukrainian, what’s the point? Best case scenario is the Ukrainians drive the Russians out. But do you really think Putin will tuck tail and run home?
Nato didn’t have to reach far. Finland and Sweden new almost over night after Putin pulling his stunt. I don’t think he’ll react but we’ll see I guess.
Erdogan as usual is just out for what he can get. There might come a time when this war is over that it is pointed out to Turkey how only democratic nations with freedom of the press can be members of NATO. Turkey agreed to that when it signed up... Maybe he should to run off and sort that out first then reapply!
You can talk all you want but unless Putin does a 180, we first need to deal him a complete defeat and bloody his nose to teach him a lesson then and only then should talks be serious. Putin only understands strength and hard power and we need to show him that. If we don't deal Russia a military defeat any peace can only be temporary. Obiously direct threats to Russia itself should be minimal and we need to make it clear we're against Russian aggression not against the Russian people.
Bravo. Since the last century, there have been discussions about the non-proliferation of the borders of the alliance, and what do we see as a result? Sanctions are not against the Russian people?) Well, well ...
Putin need’s to change his depends, it’s stinking up everything! Because NATO for Finland 🇫🇮 and Sweden 🇸🇪 is going to happen like it or not. Then Ukraine 🇺🇦 will come onboard with NATO! Let the partying begin 🇫🇮🇸🇪🇺🇦💃🕺❤️❤️❤️☺️☺️☺️😆😆🤣🤣
Undemocratic as it was, the SSSR had its set of check and balances and could be count on to behave rationally in the end. Modern Russia under Putin - not so much. Expecially IF Putin is ill and has started operating in "historic mode", caring more about what they would write about him in a hundred years rather than the pain Russians will have to endure today. In this context, Sweden and Finland choice is just prudential.
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Finland and Sweden the time is changing the aggressors is on your yard. It's your duty to protect your country and peoples.
If France wants Ukraine to offer territory to Russia why not France to offer a piece of France to Russia
??? Macron himself said peace terms were up to Ukraine only to negociate.
Because Ukraine has historically been a small area around 1/3 of the size it is right now. Russia ceded a lot of land to their Ukrainian brethren but if Ukrainian government is going to be anti Russian then Russia wants their land back.
Exactly, Macron should Putin a piece of land for Putin to vacation with and Putin will be happy if France indeed give Putin the land he is asking for.
The French complaisance with Putin is a real shame.
France...the little boy of Europe. During ww, Hitler breezed passed them and they happily acquiesced
Ukraine never threatened Russia either, but they got invaded all the same.
Listen to John Mearsheimer at the University of Chicago. He is the only Intrrnational Scholar on GeoPolitics. No one else studies International Geopolitics from more than one ideology. Sorry, but ignorance is Bliss. No one wants to use their own brains to work out Truth from Dogma. I guess thinking is something of which few are capable?
A very good discussion again. Anderi Illarionov made a point, which I haven't heard expressed so clearly before, and which I think is true, that Finland and Sweden joining the NATO is a win-win situation even for the Russian people. On the other hand Finland, Sweden and the rest of the Europe get more security, but also as the likelihood of there being a war between Russia and the rest of the Europe will diminish, the Russian people are less likely to be dragged into a war by whoever happens to be their leader.
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You FSB liars know how to Twist.
Yes that is very well and wise said! Absolutely true
Yes, Finland and Sweden have to protect interests of the US billionaires, so, they'd have better f--ck on their private islands!!✊✊✊
Yes. When you discourage conflict, favoring stability and peace, everyone benefits.
Vladimir Putin must definitely be in the running to get a Nobel prize! He has single-handedly pushed Europe towards green energy faster than even Greta Thunberg could have imagined, increased the defence spending hugely in Germany and throughout NATO, strengthening it more than many would have thought possible, even adding previously neutral Finland and perhaps Sweden as well, and exploded the myth of what a great military machine Russia has. What a huge accomplishment for a single person!
Indeed
BRAVO!
Hilarious but true
Haha
If Europeans are into buying more guns they admit to the superiority of the Russians posing some kind of threat.
Some people are speaking with the premise that we care what Putin wants or doesn't want. We do not fear what he does or what he doesn't do. We do not fear offending Putin. Putin has lost all respect from us.
You seem to speak with premise that Putin cares if you care about him or not.
Simply put....in!
Well said and I’m totally in agreement with you. The west should have fought alongside Ukrainian in my opinion.
You have to give respect to get respect as well as being able to place reserves in foreign banks, signing treaties + sticking by them. Cultivating Ukrainian Neo nazis + giving them cabinet jobs when US installed the puppet regime in Ukraine is another way to disrespect a nation + to start + back a race war in Donbas in 2014 was disrespectful.
@@shasha259 Also US gov. has gone to such lengths as to fabricate massacares, support and cover up boberdment of civilians in Donbass, and whole bunch of other stuff. They have completely taken of their masks in this war, and all you see is madmen. Wonder how long US will last with them in charge, great nations were not upheld or build by such men. Sad really. Hopefully they will not spark a nuke war in their mad hysteria.
Putin: NOOOO YOU CANT DEFEND YOURSELF AGAINST ME!!!!
Finland: Cry some more
this aged well
bootlicker morons
Putin's always whining about something,who cares if he's pissed off do what you choose Finland.
How will Russia respond? Make all sorts of threats like they usually do and drive nations even further away from them.
If Putin thought the world reacted to much over his invasion of Ukraine just imagine the reaction to striking against Finland or Sweden. Most people I know couldn't find Ukraine on a map before the war but they all know Finland and Sweden. The bond between those nations and the rest of Europe and the US is VERY strong.
Finland and Sweden both members of EU, it game over for Putin, and maybe 22 Republic or non-Russian ethnic majority Republic will broke from Russia like USSR Republic
I think a few tactical nukes can break those bonds, lol
@@diogenes7 using nukes is not viable option, everyone knows that....Putin is not that mad, let alone ppl around him. Plus it would resolve nothing but impose even greater danger to Russia itself if it would ever use nukes first. Besides both Sweden and Finland have now security guarantees from UK
@@thechrisandphaedrusshow sure, so lets bring some warhammer 40k vibes in our world
@@diogenes7 ah ah ah you're a very talented comedian writer. Your sense of humor it's heartwarming.
Please remember that Putin has lied in the past and has portrayed a rather passive dialogue when events did not go his way. New nations joining NATO and Putins rather passive or at least immediate reactions have appeared rather quiet...be so careful and do not allow this person to fool all thinking he is not overly concerned about new memberships in NATO.
Dialog with Russia is unrealistic as long as Putin is in power. Putin and Russia have to be isolated totally until Putin is out of the picture. Unity of the nations against Russia is the only way to drive home the point that Czarist Russia will never be resurrected from the graveyard of history.
Heidi is quite right in saying Putin can not be trusted to mean what he says, that we should be realistic when dealing with an untrustworthy Putin who lacks integrity and other moral virtues. Her analysis is best and most comprehensive.
It already is Czarist Ruzzia.
Yeah, western nations which launched the biological attack on the world should be trusted more!😀
There is a way out for Russia - back to the Russian border and march all the way to Moscow! If you give Putin something now, he will always want more!
I just heard The President of Finland say he just spoke with Putin. He was amazed how calm Putin was, and accepting. He said Finland had been determined to remain neutral, until Putin ordered them, saying that they could not join NATO.
nonsense !!!
At the inception of NATO the former Soviets blockaded access to Berlin, established an embargo, eventually built a closed border between Warsaw Pact Nations and NATO Nations and attempted to seige Berlin by cutting access in and out of West Berlin (see Berlin Airlift). So consistently the Soviets and Russia have consistently opposed NATO and brought tactics to bear short of open warfare but included incursions into air spaces. The Soviets brutally repressed independence movements and alignments non-Soviet approved within the Warsaw Pact.
But after the collapse of communism and the Warsaw pact the Russians haven't threatened anyone. NATO had become obsolete but by continuing to expand eastwards managed to find a new enemy for itself in Russia. The US uses NATO to assert control over Europe and isolate Russia.
Ahh yes, back in the day when everyone played by the rules of basic Game Theory. Unfortunately to play by such a game you have to have some level of belief that your opponent is at a minimum a rational actor. We all knew both side were playing this game in 1949, but we just aren't seeing that from Russia in 2022. I have no idea what rule book they are now operating by.
"Without the U.S. Nuclear and military might; you have no NATO."
This was positively an awesomely good segment. Great guests. Good news.
No aUdio
But don’t wake up Surprised, if Putin’s Role - is too force all independent countries into the New World of Orders - with a faked War.
Because Time is Running Out Before the Real Aliens Who Are in disguise as Rulers on this Planet.
Think About it.
Based upon their rules for Us, if we cross anybody else’s boundaries,
You’re An Alien. They made this a Rule and that’s why We Don’t Believe That the Real Aliens Exists...
Yet they are before our eyes as Corporations Who have More Rights then Humans
Meaning, They Are the Real Aliens - Traveling in Human Vehicles or Bodies 🤨
Putin actually expected the everyone to allow him to invade Ukraine just like when he annexed Crimea. He also expected the war to last a few weeks at most before Ukraine capitulated leaving little for anyone else to do anything about his occupation. None of the pressure Putin is being placed under right now would have happened if Ukraine would have just folded.
I blame Obama/Biden for the invasion of Crimea. The US is now sending serious weaponry to Ukraine, but Biden's 1-month delay following the invasion hurt Ukraine.
Yes to a certain degree, but Unfortunately Ukraine is a sitting duck already, now watch out the entire world economy its starting to crack, especially the US,EU and UK, just to give you a clear picture here in the UK the price of energy it's going to the roof it jumped from25c to a kilowatt to 75c you do the math mate.
It's going to blow up in our faces, wait until its nippy, and I guarantee you if you're not wealthy enough you're not going to turn the heating on, remember the rich always stay richer?
These balls pushing very hard for WWIII....
@Eizeck Newton Couch strategists...😀😀
@@Btrutaltruth basement dweller.
Amazing how Pootin always moves the goal post. First he would do something if they join, now if they move more hardware on the border.
The funny thing is they did actaully send troops and a few tanks (whatever they had) to the Finnish border. The Finns reacted swiftly by deploying a bunch of tractors in response. I kid you not!
all bark no bite basically
Putin moved his goal posts a tad too far since it means it makes a whole new field with the Finnish and Swedish having their own goal posts, so Putin moving it out of Ukraine left him facing another armed and now choosing a side Nation that is not just a pushover. Sometimes it is best to leave the goalposts where they are at and take yer (little) lumps vs taking the larger lumps from having yer whole Western border suddenly be Nato, or close to it
So glad I found this channel. Quality guests and a good moderator.
I too just found it and agree.
It is consistently good. Watch for German DW news as well.
Best Moderator / News host I've seen in a long time. Logical Questions, seems to actually be talking to the guests as well.
If Putin was head of a company-
He be at home today - tending his garden
"Own goal" = great summary of Russia's blunder.
I will make it short. This came from s Finnish veteran i spoke with. A war with russia is something that must NEVER happen. That is something the world must understand.
"Macron, sit down and be quiet".... seems he is always meddling against Ukraine and favoring Putin. Are they best of friends?
i think so
The French haven't quite really like the USA, just as they've never truly like the UK. They are friends our and "friend enemy"..
Ah...! L'amour... '😜
My understanding is, to be friends prevents wars.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@theodorvogel5468 How did that work out for russia and germany in the nineteen forty's.
Imagine a world where Russia just appreciated the massive land mass they have and played nice with their Neighbors.
Putin needs an enemy to keep his approval ratings up at home, the problem is that he's an autocrat trying to hold onto power, first it was Chechnya, then Georgia, Ukraine and of course there's always the big bad imperial USA to blame all of your problems on.
Imagine a world in which the United States simply appreciated the vast territory it possesses and treated the whole world well, for example, Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia.
@@kirillvlasov9642 yeah it’s USA fault Finland is joining nato 🤦♂️.. sorry buy you sound dumb
@@kirillvlasov9642 The United States never made territorial claims on those countries. Libya was a French initiated operation. Iraq had invaded Iran and Kuwait. Yugoslavia had ceased to exist.
@@calc1657 Do you think an invasion without claims to part of the territory is ok? The United States supported the French invasion of Libya, without their support it would not have been possible. The capture of Iraq took place after the liberation of Kuwait and no connection with Iran. Yugoslavia was destroyed by military force, sanctions and political pressure.
The French president will tell Putin that, based on our experience in World War II, when someone comes to attack you, you surrender and then the people in the overdue practice cooperate so that you can survive.
EXACTLY the le pew way
Your response is not lucid.
Educate yourself before commenting about the French surrendering, this cliche is old and inaccurate
@@olivierjasko The French president has asked Ukraine to negotiate with Russia, arguing that concessions are more important than fighting for their own sovereignty.
@@olivierjasko “old and inaccurate “? My parents were alive the last time France surrendered to the Nazis. They’re both still alive today. Wasn’t that long ago.
The work continues towards greater peace not just for Europe but for the world , Let's hope it's Soon
It's just another step towards the New World Order after the covid launched by the West .
France 24 Debates are always illuminating always informative
But biased and slanted.
Amazing 2 centuries of Neutrality. What a time in life to see this.😳
In 1939 they had to push out the russians who invaded them and wanted them to join in their soviet state ….
yes! Historic times for Russia, Ukraine, Finland, Sweden, and NATO.
I took vacation days so I could watch the fall of the Soviet Union in '91 on TV.
Sure never thought I'd see this.
Too bad Pootun is a madman.
Being attacked by USSR at least twice is consequence of being Neutral
Well, I would have to examine this proposal more closely. The United States has a long and checkered history of bribing, blackmailing or coercing countries to commit to things...This fulfills America's blood lust to own and control the entire planet...
Macron always carries his French white flag in his back pocket. The great waffler.
30:30 I totally agree with this list of his and these are tops on quality for demands wanted during a few negotiations.
Canada, a country of only 31 million, has given 3 times the arms and money of France.
They work together,they control the oil that comes out of nigeria
Russia responds by paying Turkey to stand in the way. Turkey, best NATO ally Russia ever had.
NATO can always kick Turkey out of NATO. Turkey does not bring that much to the table.
@@czogg99 They are disrespected anyway by the elitist USUK armies in exercises. Possibly with good reason but diplomacy no longer exists in NATO only threats.
Turkey has already said they won't oppose Finland and Sweden. Old news, bot.
@@czogg99 Agreed
@@stischer47 Really, I’ve just heard the opposite news…
Kudos and Courage to the heroism of Ukraine against Russian aggression. Bravo.
Putin has already made his position clear. He is not against Finland and Sweden joining NATO. What he is adamant about is NATO placing its Nuclear missiles and troops(aka American) in Finland and Sweden.
Both countries will try to follow Norway's example of "No weapons and No NATO troops on Norwegian soil"
What both countries need to worry about is Turkey's veto of them joining.
Yes, I’m surprised so little is being said about Turkey’s stance.
Isn't Russia/former USSRs WarPac threatening Europe the main reason for the, successful, mutual defense alliance called NATO? So, Putin, by threatening smaller European countries standing alone is confirming that joining NATO is the smarter security move. I wouldn't mind other nations around the world joining such a mutual defense alliance to deter aggression because it has worked.
Secondly, who really cares what Russia thinks now? Do we consult with the murderer, burglar, rapist before we install an alarm, call the police, defend ourselves to find out what they think about it? Russia has over-stepped (after a international pass on Chechnya, South Ossetia, Syria, and the Crimea) and shown that it is a paper bear (incompetent leadership, inferior equipment, unprofessional undisciplined soldiers). Russia has the nuclear threat, but heck, it is the same aging, expensive-to-maintain nuclear threat that has been in place (and on "high alert") for 70 years.
And what is the Russian endgame? essentially the whole world is against Russia now, aside from some tinpot dictators, and even former economic allies are afraid of the economic consequences of being perceived as supporting Russia. Banking, communications, computing, transportation/air travel, entertainment, and just inclusion in and access to world culture are rolling back in Russia to the early 90s. So ironically, Putin got back the Russia that he nostalgically longed for.
Russia cant do anything about the Finnish and Swedish membership because they have the hands full in Ukraine.
Kudos to both Sweden and Finland for deciding to apply for membership of NATO.
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
Putin is like the Black Knight in Monty Python - "It's only a flesh wound" We should take Karlingrad off him see how he likes it.
Alaska should be taken away from USA.
Why don't you lead the charge, field Marshall
@@mairca80pais96 Ok.
@@KydoimosOfMachai But it was paid for ? Oh.. rite , You mean like a Special Military Operation to de-nazify it ? Tell your buddy Vlad, Im sure he'' go 4 it.
But maybe he's scared of a big country ? Let's see ??
Easy, Putin, get out. No more conflict.
Good to hear my great grandfather was from Sweden this is only way for peace i think.. stay in big numbers as allies together.
We stay with Ukraine
And the bravery soldier and citizens
God bless them.🙏.
pitted and now condole. Sick
Excellent broadcast.
Thank you for an excellent international discussion about Russia, Ukraine, and the European Union. I understood that all these European voices spoke with one voice for peace in Europe with a raised fist, insisting that peace could not come without an implacable demand for peace from Russia.
I believe it is important to relegate "Putin's role" to a narrative that he does not control. Let them do what they will. For decades we have allowed by default, the Russian vantage take center stage. They will deal with defeat. If others are compassionate, then allow Russia to return to the fold. Otherwise, "we've heard it all before."
No truer words have been spoken.
Welcome Sweden Finland EU member nations to Nato.
I think it is time that Mr Putin must go to the front and fighting his own wars and NOT playing with
young peoples lives the sooner the better the negotiations will start as soon as possible the moment
when he experience war himselves.
No one considers that all other countries have the right to have a security zone except Russia...why is that? In other words, let me surround your house with all things military and call you the aggressor when you complain...makes sense to me...
Give Putin a sturdy mount, some Russian Plate armor, a shield and a lance and let Him attack the Ukrainian First Lancers.....
@@basiltozer9078 Zelensky would make.mincemeat of puny Putin.
@@basiltozer9078 nah.. He will lost.. Zelensky probably win. 😂
@@laurastortoni-hager1510 lol "Deathmatch"
I like FRANCE 24 English. Good stuff every day that I need to hear first.
Much better then fox news 🤣!
@@angelmario7085 Amy Goodman is getting old
Mr Andrei well said peace for all.
There is only one person for which this war has been a greater disaster than Putin, and that's Macron. Sweden and Finland could have pushed for an EU defence pack. It took them less than a second to reject that delusion and go for joining NATO instead, with the first step to that being a bi-lateral defence pack with the UK.
Nicely put.
The time is ripe to tell Russia that Kaliningrad MUST be clear of any nuclear silos or missiles OR ELSE.
Or else they wait you strike first?
This is so true! Russia completely out of the Ukraine, including Ukraine!.
Renault should destroy all its tooling as should Mc Donalds so it doesn't become Mc Putins! Love from Australia!
Now why does not Russia have a man like this Andrei Illarionov who makes sense and is looking out for the Russian people as a leader instead of Putin.
If there is no NATO base, and nuclear weapons on Finnish territory, Russia is safe.
There won't be. Everything will continue like it has so far, the only diffetence is now we are under article 5.
Nuclear weapons are not strategically wise to be placed in Finland anyways, too close to Russia and in danger to be captured. US nuclear weapons will stay in Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium and Italy, like they have been for ages.
And we don't need bases. The Baltics need them, so better have them there, if anywhere.
Nordic countrys dont take nukes and military bases 💁😅
Thank You, have great day
Great news! Poo Tin manages to do more to damage Russia than anyone since Stalin.
🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦Slava Ukraini🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
I thought the show was peaceful with no anger. There may be a difference between what a person thinks and what a person says, although might as well say it’s the same thing, possibly without being judgmental of people in their moments of privacy. It may be preferable to use the exact word “uncompromising” to describe conflicts, rather than to use metaphorical comparisons, even if seemingly accurate, influential, or user-friendly. I’m reminded of that amazing lyric “...don’t back down” at 2:34 in the Bon Jovi song “It’s My Life”.
I love andrei, he speaks the truth, the French are in la la land
**ALWAYS HAVE BEEN**
Don't think they are looking at it that way.
Great debate once again from this program
The face Andrei pulls when asked: "Andrei Illarionov, does the Songfestival matter?' You can see him trying to hold back a sarcastic remark.
I love hearing allies helping allies.
You need to thank Putin for stopping covid, otherwise you'd be in a concentration camp by now..
Shoutout from Sweden 🇸🇪
The Russian military would loose anyway. Even if NATO didn’t provide any aid to Finland they are even more prepared to fight than the Ukraine.
st petersburg alone has a larger population than ALL of finland.
@@notastone4832 Having more buffoons doesn't equate to stronger.
@@notastone4832 yes, but how many of those Russians are willing to attack an army that's even more prepared than the Ukrainians were and have been preparing for this fight for over 60 years?
what is the point of having one member having so much power in a large organisation? not very productive.
I love these debates
10:39 "we don't need to pay much attention to this statement", Ukraine ignored that statement for 8 years, just saying...
Look at the mirror 🪞
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦💞
Russia’s Holy war against Ukraine never had anything to do with NATO
And the Oscar goes to....
Vladimir Putin! NATO salesman of the year!
🤣🤣🤣
I don't understand why Russia thinks it has the right to dictate how other sovereign countries can defend themselves, within the borders of their own country.
I don't understand why US thinks it has the right to dictate how sovereign countries , foreign policies are made?
Turkey may ask for some concessions but has to approve it because safety is in numbers and united we stand.
Yes, Turkey out of NATO is Turkey in Putinia.
Now Sweden n Finland have two inevitable potentials namely to fight Putin alone or to fight him under the umbrella of NATO. Every one can guess which of the two options they will opt.
Huge respect for Sweden and Finland for their one finger salute to Russia
Russia should put a shipping embargo on Finland and enforce it the same way America is currently doing in Cuba
that is a knee jerk reaction. in the first place, Finland is not an island. there are rail lines running from Sweden and Norway. it's just silly.
@@sifridbassoon America is doing that same 'silly thing' to counties it calls enemies
They could not do that realistically.
Don't you think that the Russian Foreign Minister said to Putin, "You're doing the opposite of deterring Finland and Sweden from joining NATO." Unsure who has the worse advisors, Putin or Biden.
Such lunacy at this critical time
Russia can easily provide free farmland in Siberia to 200 million willing Chinese and other nationalities so it can bulk up in terms of population and population wise have a larger pool of potential soldiers and tax base. Then form a formal military alliance with China, Hungary. Iran and Syria & Libya. Then restructure its military based on the lessons learned and in 20 years it will have a much better country to withstand what NATO or West may want to throw at it militarily or industrially.
Great place to farm, almost like Antarctica. I think China has their own interests. In twenty years Russia will have a living standard almost as good as North Korea.
My understanding was that if you are conscripted, you are not choosing to join the military...
"Offer Russia an exit ramp," why. Russia under Putin needs to be taught a harsh lesson.
Exactly it would be bloody but it would be worth that just to take Russia down once and for all.
Because Putin supposedly has cancer. We wouldn’t want him to decide that he’ll take the world with him. He needs an exit ramp. Regardless, he’ll be a pariah in the western sphere of influence. Keep in mind the two biggest countries in the world (China and India) still back Russia and a lot its interests.
And if we let this war play out til the last Ukrainian, what’s the point? Best case scenario is the Ukrainians drive the Russians out. But do you really think Putin will tuck tail and run home?
Agreed, but sometime after the war, the west needs to pick up relations with Russia again. Only if putin is locked up somewhere ofc.
*Listen to Andre*
◾️ _Respect his vital input!_
We (Sweden) have no border with Russia. Norway and Finland do.
Well there is a pseudo border in the Baltic sea... but not the same I know.
Fatal decision by Finland and Sweden .
" How will Russia respond to NATO bids by Finland and Sweden?"
bribing Erdogan to vote against membership?
Nato didn’t have to reach far. Finland and Sweden new almost over night after Putin pulling his stunt. I don’t think he’ll react but we’ll see I guess.
Erdogan as usual is just out for what he can get. There might come a time when this war is over that it is pointed out to Turkey how only democratic nations with freedom of the press can be members of NATO. Turkey agreed to that when it signed up... Maybe he should to run off and sort that out first then reapply!
Great debate.
I agree with Andrei Iliarianov 100%.
If Putin needs an exit. I understand Alcatraz is available.
Thanks Pootun! Strengthening NATO and encouraging new members!
It's sad that mcvomit doesn't shut down permanently
You can talk all you want but unless Putin does a 180, we first need to deal him a complete defeat and bloody his nose to teach him a lesson then and only then should talks be serious. Putin only understands strength and hard power and we need to show him that.
If we don't deal Russia a military defeat any peace can only be temporary.
Obiously direct threats to Russia itself should be minimal and we need to make it clear we're against Russian aggression not against the Russian people.
Bravo. Since the last century, there have been discussions about the non-proliferation of the borders of the alliance, and what do we see as a result? Sanctions are not against the Russian people?) Well, well ...
Yes The UN or "We" should attack St.Petersburg and Moscow after dropping letters for everyone to leave before the place gets carpet bombed!
That guy is delusional, they were never close to an agreement, not even close at all.
Putin need’s to change his depends, it’s stinking up everything! Because NATO for Finland 🇫🇮 and Sweden 🇸🇪 is going to happen like it or not. Then Ukraine 🇺🇦 will come onboard with NATO! Let the partying begin 🇫🇮🇸🇪🇺🇦💃🕺❤️❤️❤️☺️☺️☺️😆😆🤣🤣
we are not dictators we will not be dictated to we are free
Undemocratic as it was, the SSSR had its set of check and balances and could be count on to behave rationally in the end. Modern Russia under Putin - not so much.
Expecially IF Putin is ill and has started operating in "historic mode", caring more about what they would write about him in a hundred years rather than the pain Russians will have to endure today.
In this context, Sweden and Finland choice is just prudential.
yea, she said she wants it SMOOTH AND FAST.
If we will survive this we will tell our grand children what we went through, so that they can enjoy freedom 😩👍
im canadian.. im not gonna pretend that canada or any other member of NATO has freedom.. we are stuck in liberal hegemony hell.
Ill bet your word were iterated some 80, 90 years ago
Only provoke a response if NATO bases and equipment are set up in Finland is what Putin said
Andrei, I agree with every word you say.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if Putin’s billions are kept in Sweden