Standalone ECU / EFI Tuning Basics
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2019
- Just a quick no frills video on how standalone ECU / EFI tuning works. Nothing fancy, but maybe it gives some of you guys a little insight on the basics of how this stuff works.
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Thank you for this. So many tuners are so caught up in their "secret recipe" that this information rarely gets openly taught. Thankyou!
That and a lot of people make money off of tuning. That like you're weedman giving you his plants and telling you his secret gardening technique.
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In indo ppl say "Spek goib" which means mystical specs, cus no one ever tells anyone what's their tune/build spec
Thissssss 100% fam. I’m thinking of trying to tune my car myself but I’m afraid to break something. It would be nice to learn though and open up the market a little bit. My car has very few tuners and they all charge an arm and a leg.
As a tech nerd tuning his first car I Thank you you made everything so simple it’s just like computer over clocking!
Exactly how I saw it also
Learning how the tool works: 10 hours.
Knowing how to adjust things to increase your engine power : A lifetime.
Or unlimited engines to not worry if blows up
Thank you! time to go blow something up.
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Paying someone to tune your car Everytime can be very expensive. I'm learning how to tune my car and this video has cleared up a few things.. ty. Hope ya make more videos!!!
Thanks for the concise explanation. It's surprisingly hard to find even half-decent info on EFI tuning on the internet, let alone TH-cam, and you've done a great job.
Your the man!. You broke it down so I could understand a lot more of the parameters of tuning basics. More videos like this brother . I am trying to get my turbo fox up and going. First ever turbo car and tune. I'm 48 years old and was a Ford line tech for 20 years and this is a earning curve no doubt. Long story short THANK YOU FOR THE INFO
Man, you're sending us to school! Nice to hear your overview ... much appreciated
I really appreciate this video. My Camaro is getting its engine rebuilt then we are putting a stand alone on it. I feel like I understand the tuning aspect better now.
Thank you for the knowledge. Plus the delivery was natural. Liked that very much too
CONGRATULATIONS ON THE SHOP!!
It's Friday fool's and we need shop's I just need more rooms....🤣
Awesome knowledge drop! I’m building a gen IV all aluminum Ls we will supercharge and control with an after market set up like yours. Truly appreciate this video as that really helps to understand the tuning basics when I get into it. Team Voss!
Your the first person I found with big stuff 3. I thought I was the only one
need to make more in depth video's and how to video's about tuning and standalone stuff in general. Especially now with all cars being efi for the last few decades and old car parts are getting more rare and harder to find people are going to need this type of information more than ever.
I have no idea what you're talking about but imma go do some more homework and come back to this. Time to learn some useful skull 😤
Firing order of an engine it basically working by throttle body flyby wired or carburator so engine map on the your environment to optimize output. You show us great stuff thanks.
Great video and I can see the potential for saving lots of headaches/$$$ compared to the old "trial and error" tuning agenda. Having data to adjust to is better than replacing broken stuff.
Yeah for sure
Very interesting , Thanks Kyle.
I have watched tons of videos on this subject and did not get near the understanding from them as I did from this great video.
Thank alot for the education. :-)
thanks...felt like it was a little all over the place but wanted to keep it as basic as I could
Thank you. Now i can finally figure out how to find that dead spot at low RPMs
Great video man 👍👍 thanks for all the info and pointers very helpfull.
Thanks for the info. It would be cool to see more videos on tuning in the future if you have anything to add.
Yeah Im sure I will have more...still have a good big of changes to make
Answered alot of questions for me. Thank you.
U just simplified it for me i have dislexia cheers bud needed this for a wile
I came to learn and I did. Thank you. I’m ready for a part two.
How about some tips and tricks? What does make a turbo spool faster. How do you determine how much timing to add or remove? If you know what types of transmission need or don’t computer control? How do you program from a crank sensor with 10 teeth vs one with 15? I have a TPI What sensors could I reuse?
Thank you very much!! You explained really well something that really looked to me like a bunch of fog😂😂
Good video Good Explanation, I love this video
I got a turbo mustang on a trade that has the big stuff 3 ecu on it. I’m clueless on this car lol. Was hoping people would have some videos on it and your video helped out a lot. Wish I could pick your brain lol
It seems quite simple if i understand it correctly, air fuel ratio is too high or too low colour will change to yellow/red, seems quite simple compared to adjusting a carburator doing it all by feelings and listening to the engine on top of removing the carburators many many times.
Great video.
good job on explaining brotha .... peace n love stay rad n build on brotha 💪 ✌
Excellent Video!!!!! Thank you for this explanation!! Are there more vids on your channel for tuning????
Wicked shop too!!!
Great video Kyle, very interesting and informative, thanks!
Thanks for the video I learned a lot from it
Great information
Another great video 👍 keep up the good work son..
thanks
Thanks! Much appreciated.
Thx Kyle, more of these, pls :) especially interested in how you would approach programming an new ecu for an engine and how you tune the engine in from there.
thanks Chris...most of these setups will create a starting point for you based on a few of the specs of your combo and then basically tell you what you need to know to make changes as you go. I will try to film some as I am tuning
@@Thefabforums Highly appreciate it. I guess I need to try one out myself as a new project some day :) Keep up the excellent work.
Nice! No BS like some of these other vids.
Thank you brother.
good video my brother..
Very well explained as I’m a total novice when it comes to ECUs but in the quest for horsepower I’m forced to move kicking and screaming into the 20th century
year update ?
Thanks so much brother
"Twin 77..ect" "nothing to crazy"😂😂
Lol
How do I know what ECU tuning or remapping software I need to use for a specific car?
Thank you for such a great video. If two ECU has excatly the same microcontroller, could I use the same modul to read/write it though my car type is not present in the software?
Great help man, thnx.
Anything I should know on a fresh build Sbc 400 on a first start up with Holley sniper efi ?
I'm a bit late seeing this but thanks for the car education thing 👍😄🙌
And all the old school hot roders are like, Just throw a carb on it and twist a few screws. Pull the plugs. What color are the electrodes.
I like both the carbs and efi myself.Just depends on the application. GREAT VIDEO!
yeah I feel the same way
You still dig the BS3? I ran one forever on my 73 Camaro with single 118, but now I have a Holley in one car, and a FuelTech in another one. I have a full BS3 coil on plug setup on the shelf with crank trigger and all that, and I may use it in a truck project I have.
I wish I can find someone that knows what the hell they are doing to tune my Turbo VW bug properly. A good tuner is hard to come by in this area.
From Italy questions:
What is the difference between working on a standalone ecu and a standard ecu?
Speaking about the standalone i don't even know how it function, but i suppose that you shouldn't start from zero and reprogram all the ECU code probably you will change some parameters wright?
Another question, given that every tuning in probably unique, how can you be able to know how to adjust parameters to gain something ?
Thank you so so much.
How to learn ecu process about sensor and ecu connecting?sir.thank you.good luck and good job
What kind of hardware do i need to read my ECU ?
Trying to figure out the throttle tip in on my car was so hard for me. The dramatic increase of air from the blower above 1200 -1600 rpm fought me for long time. I finally was able to make sense of what the issue was but it took months of trial and error and several sets of plugs to figure out how to fix it with the different tables. Getting the WOT part was simple compared to the drivability part of the tune.
yeah for sure...it takes some working with
Yep. I gotta get to the dyno to really understand all the load numbers.
Hello good time
I want a 2008 Suzuki GSXR 600 four cylinder engine with Mega Squirt
(SR8) and I don't know what to do because the trigger gear is twenty-five minus three and I need help, thank you.🙏🙏
Great job. Looking forward to learning more. I have an Edelbrock crate engine that I am trying to learn how to tune. Any more in depth videos coming out?
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Heyy! How does auto tuning work? Does it get the power data from a hub dyno?
Does Bigstuff software only work for their own ECUs or work with stock ECUs as well?
Have you weighed the goose yet? I was extremely surprised how heavy my car is . Never tired to save weight at any point during the build process and it shows. 3800 with me in it with full tank . Great video keep up the great work son!
Yeah I have had it down to 2800 with me in it...may be a little more now with this combo
The Fab Forums damn wish mine was that weight. 🤷♂️ too late now 😆
Do you know how to use Ai to flash or upgrade the map ?? By given it the info
Where I can learn about that bro
Interesting 👍👍
Awesome video. LOL I swear sometimes you taking to me.
thank you thank you thank you
Do you know of a company that can reprogram a Ford power train control module to suit the build. I'm putting a godzilla motor into a 40 Ford and need to remove PID's and the PAT system et cetera.
what's tool name?
Goose!!
There's no voodoo. Only science. 😊
Cool
Came back to this because I think I'm going to use Magasquirt on my 4.6 and am trying to figure out the ignition. Are you using TFI or EDIS? Or LS coils? I'd like to use COP but am trying to wrap my head around the board mods and/or ignitor setups for the Ford COP coils.
I have not done any COP builds yet. I considered a EDIS setup on a past turbo setup but ended up just going standard dizzy setup. The Goose runs crank trigger with a dizzy as a cam sync
sweet stang
whether a special device is needed for the program to monitor the parameters whether you have an email I would need some information
can someone actually tune your chip and they live another state and cant up the obd1 up and see the reading they just going by the information you gave them of what you got in your car...i would think its hard to get the chip burn correctly especially the frist time..the reason i ask you that because im having that problem now..
16 to 1? Well, that's a relatively nice lean burn for that muscled engine. I'd love to have to option to play with my Focus 3 1.0 Ecoboost 125hp engine's AFR tables and simply increase it at lower loads (for all RPM) more than it is already (I want more of the lean-clean burn), but leave the 12 to 1 where it is for high engine loads to help cool the burning mixture to not get into an engine overheat issue. Although the Ecoboost was initially notorious for ending up in flames due to getting overheated, that obviously happened when the people where abusing the engine without properly let the engine cool for a while and so the later models done by Ford had tweaked the AFR tables to make the mixture richer at higher loads and protect the engine. But still, I believe that at lower loads such as driving constantly at 40-45mph I shouldn't have an overheat issue if I have my AFR closer to 16.
Whoa was it 19000 rpm?
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but what software are you using on the laptop? Does it like come with the big stuff 3 or is it something different? We don't really see much else than dicktator management in South Africa
this is an aftermarket software designed to be used with bigstuff3. Bigstuff also has their own version
Hey Kyle, Get Well Qwik for You 1st, Then the Wife n kids, dog,then Us . 2nd Bibster's Looking Even BAADDER in the New Shop. As far as This Vid goes ,,,,,, ya LOST ME At the "Stand Alone" EFI, 😀😀😀LOL, But Thanks for Sharing Your Knowledge and Experience, Really Do Like The EVERYTHING You Do !! God Bless All
Lol....thanks man
I local tuner didn’t finish my base tune because it was to late at night. So next morning my motor blew up, so I rebuild it. Now I turn it on and I keep getting codes. This might be a stupid question but does a unfinish tune cause DTC?
Definitely. An unfinished tune means your car is most likely not running right. If your car is running too lean, too rich, or is misfiring you'll definitely get a DTC
I get cam code maf sensor and injector circuit. Is it possible to delete my maf and do a speed density tune?
100kPa is 1bar of pressure,
101.303kPa is 14.7psi or 1atmosphere.
The load I believe is the break mean effective pressure (bmep), which is the amount of resistance required to stop the engine from moving at the crank.
The formula is
bmep=4*3.14*Torque/(VolumeOfCylinder*RevolutionsPerSecond)
Yeah...I'm pretty sure 1 bar is much more than 10kpa, that 101.303kpa atmosphere is at sea level. That number reduces as you climb in elevation. Most boosted setups run a 3 bar map which I think is good for around 30psi
1 BAR = 103ish kPa = 14.7ish PSI.
The weather and elevation can change this formula though.
You slipped a zero there - 100kPa is ~1 Bar. ;-)
Brake Mean Effective Pressure is the 'average' pressure in the cylinder acting on the piston - it gets rather complicated from there, but there are some good primers on the interweb. Pressure and force may be related, but they are different and NOT interchangable terms.
@@Thefabforums your right it's just shy of 30 psi, my logs showed something like 29.6 psi which was the 3 bar MAP sensor maxed out.
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Is "load kpa", inlet air pressure, or I am wrong?
Yeah its manifold air pressure.
how did you connect it? is it an obdII?
No it connects via USB
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There is some vehicles that have both mass air flow sensors and also map sensors sometimes multiple map sensors, why is that? Is it just to verify the correct fuel pressure?
No really sure to be honest
Each type of sensor has advantages and disadvantages. Accuracy. During transient measurements like stabs of the accelerator pedal, you might want to read from multiple sensors to understand what's going on with the airflow, and use a hybrid measurement to calculate the fuel needed. Sometimes you use 2 MAP sensors because you want one always measuring atmospheric, and then compare that to the manifold pressure, so if you change elevation, your tune can calibrate. With only one MAP sensor, it reads the atmospheric pressure when you start the car, then just assumes that is constant.
You'd definitely want 2 MAP sensors if you were in a hill climb, for instance.
Every mass air car ever made (at least GM and Ford) also runs speed density, it's a failover and a system of checks and balances.
The more they push for efficiency and performance the computer needs more information and it needs it faster
A selection of sensors can be called for and the computer can compare all the info available to get the engine running perfect for that spit second time frame
Rather than carb or even older efi the aim was only to get it to idle and run perfect at a set rpm/load and the rest of the time it simply ran how it ran
Pretty broad explanation but you may get the idea
Also emissions control adds a few curve balls
Trying to monitor air flow when you have exhaust routing back though the intake (egr)
Bypassing the maf
They may need to monitor manifold pressures from a few diferant places so the computer can verify its self the egr is opening and closing as it signals
You can also get some high end cars such as Mercedes limousines or other top of town oriented cars that run V8s or larger that run each bank as a totally separate engine so each bank has it's own ecu and own set of sensors
One side can suffer total electrical failure and the car will still run
Cause you don't want to be driving a CEO to the airport and have him miss his flight waiting for road side assistance
Or have the car shut off when the bad guys are chasing you
Or the good guys chasing you depending who you are
Lol
Watch the skid factory
Al is doing a Toyota V12 swap and explains the 2 ecu theory in a little more detail
Speed density ftw.
is there eny software free for motorcycles i would love to have this in my motorcycle repair shop
just the software alone wont do anything for you...you will also need the standalone hardware. megasquirt makes some good stuff for motorcycles I believe.
@@Thefabforums i will look in to it than you :) :) happy New year :)
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I learning Micro Squirt atm. I had fi tech efi on it and it trash. Wished I had went with a sniper. But my buddy had the MS I traded a spare t5 for. Just with the base tune it's already night and day compared to that other trash.
Sweet. I built one of the OG mega squirts for a turbo setup I did years ago
Im currently running megasquirt on my 13b with ITBs and i will say megasquirt is probably the best system to learn on if you're starting from nothing. I knew very little about tuning and i have my car pretty dialed in. How do you like the microsquirt?
That's awesome @The Fab Forums.
Jaime I haven't really spent much time tuning with it yet I'll have to get back with you on that. But I will say that with just the generic base tune my buddy did it is 10x better than with the fi tech. I was actually able to build around 5 psi of boost. Before it was breaking up real bad and couldn't get into boost and none of my buds nor myself could figure out the fi tech.
im doing a stage 4 cam L33 with heads. I'm new to electronics. do I need this computer and another one? ECM? ECU? EFI? stand alone fuel management ? is there one computer that does everything? are any of them self learning? or do I need a dyno and tune? help please!!! thanks!!!
Thank you for the video. However, the title says it all. There is no need to explain the title for 2+ minutes
this program looks almost exactly like tunerstudio and megasquirt
the software is written by the same people. EFI Analytics.
yeah what Frank said
I knew a guy that re-maped his ecu, four months later Boom!, rabies.
The original Goose came from Madmax 1 movie, Then Top-gun use it too in there movie , now you call your car Goose too , lol.
Well mine is the Gray Goose...just Goose for short
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Holly timing Kyle! Are you messing with the timing on the MSD? 25* on that boost just seems either really high or I’m pussy footing mine.
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No those values are not correct...car never gets that high in the table. Just boosting on the gate springs right now 4-5lbs
Upper end of the table will probably end up closer to 15 degrees
THANK YOU. I am retired racer trying to learn a new world. I have watched sooo many videos that it is unhealthy and from some very smart tuners and venders. When they put their cursors on boost i am done. Very good at what they do but piss ass poor teachers. Very little tuning for bracket car but 90 per cent for TUrbO.
All I want to do is tune my car instead of waiting for someone to have enough time to waste on my shitbox 240 😭
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