FOr those who wonder, the $240k number for the Spyder RS is an average taken between this particular press car ($210k) and the four other Spyder RS's we have either at WCCS or in our friend network. This test car was the lowest price, and the highest was over $290k. We have never seen one actually sell for less than $200k.
I don't agree. A 2024 build if you do not have PCCB, bucket seats, Weissach, and Paint to Sample it was a car of $185K. This will be comparable to the build of the other two Spyders. My car 2024 Weissach with stripe (additional cost) + PCCB + Bucket. $200k. $240 is not an average but a top PTS and magnesium build.
for comparison my stepfather has just been offered one with 2000 miles on the clock from Porsche UK for £170,000 which is $222,000. He said it's got pretty much every option. I think he'll find the ride too tough for our crappy roads. Me, I prefer the Deman...my wallet prefers a 981 S manual
@@RandomPunter-xo9txCan you still order a new RS in Europe? I know all regular 718 production ended in July but heard that RS might carry on as the price is high enough to swallow the £penalty Porsche pays for the cars not meeting the latest speed-limit-adhering EU safety standards.
I happen to know for a fact Matt and Zach both get in matching pajamas and drink tea on the couch and scroll through the comments together after every new upload
There was an error in video about the convertible tops… he said the Spyder RS top wasn’t as bad as the “981 version … with the zipper.” He meant to say 987 version, which had the very difficult top. The 981 Spyder has the identical convertible top as the 718 Spyder.
Maaan, are there really any people wanting you to regret it? This build of yours is an ABSOLUTE BLAST, its torque curve seems to be way better fitted for the daily use and its sound is like out of this world, I totally love it. Maybe one day I’ll give the same treatment to my GTS4.0’s engine…
@@TheKoolaidekidd sorry, my comment was that I don't think all these people want Farah to regret his choice. I saw Demann added 4.0L GTS to cars they can do it too, which is sweet.
The Spyder's very manual top, for me, made it a non-starter. Give me the power top that the rest of the Boxster lineup offers, or the manual top in the Miata.
Awesome review! Drove a GT3 back to back with a 4.5 GT4, would take the 4.5 without question. Even better, a 4.5 spyder. I did the shakedown drive for my friends 981 Spyder 4.5 before shipping it back to the west coast and it was the most fun Porsche I've ever driven. It was on the stock skinny tires and you could slide that car everywhere. Merging onto the highway in 2nd gear partial throttle, wheel spin, short shifted and rolled into 3rd, got about 1000rpm through the gear and wheel spin again, short shifted again to 4th before the car settled down. The torque everywhere 4.5 makes the car feel hundreds of pounds lighter because the car just goes, effortless, the GT3 engine is awesome and dramatic but it feels limited, you have to wait for revs or always be riding the top end for that feeling.
You are claiming crap, dude! "...the GT3 engine....feels limited" OMG. American clowns like you have no fu....ing clue about the real capability of GT cars. Greetings from Germany
I heard on the podcast that youtube isn't doing good. I'm willing to bet that, if you were to start doing One Takes again, views would go up. I understand the safety concerns when driving sketchy cars, but you can screen the builds before driving them.
Thanks for the video! Currently own a 718 Spyder w/manual and literally just a few weeks ago canceled an allocation for a SpyderRS after spending the day with a 4RS. The base Spyder is just SO GOOD already, plus manual... just couldn't bring myself to do it. The RS is worth the money - the base Spyder is the bargain and I can't walk away from it.
I fear the day I get that phone call. I will likely go the same way you did. I think the OG looks the best. Also the top on the RS would drive me nuts. I love my 6 speed Spyder. It is a very special car. Not sure I could get rid of it. I think if I got the phone call I might buy it and keep the Spyder and sell whichever one I thought was better.
Agree. Own a manual Spyder myself. Just wondering why everyone talks about the manual and then most buy the PDK and the latte is actually more expensive. Just so strange to see it. 😂
The gearing is an issue not a nitpick. In canyons you basically stay in second the whole time. 1st is short, 2nd and 3rd are long. And there isn’t much difference from 3rd to 4th. Same thing on the 996. And 997 is a little better.
This seems like a video that will eventually have millions of views. It's reference material, like the Chris Harris F40/F50 video, enthusiasts are going to be coming back to this a decade from now.
Love the review. I am sooo happy with my 2023 Spyder. I had an opportunity to buy an RS, but for $75,000 over sticker. NO way. The idea of a very difficult top and no manual, further solidified my wish to buy a Spyder. However, good luck in buying a Spyder with low mileage without paying over. I paid about $20,000 over for my low mileage Spyder (843 miles). It was within 98% how I would have spec'd it out and that was still much less than $75K. I am considering a tune and exhaust and, possibly the transmission from DeMan. I am still not convinced about going to 4.5L on this car. I might do that on my 991.1 GTS. As always, great reviews.
@@docjaramilloThank you! Can't wait... changing camps from a V6 Emira to the "dark side" of Porsche. I'm so excited! Not going for the carbon bucket seats btw as Matt suggested on the TST podcast a while ago...
@@hml_xy9480 You’ll love it. The fizz is unlike any other, the intakes unique and sublime. If the top bothers someone…it’s not the car for them. It’s like turning away Scarlette Johansson because she takes a little while to get ready. As Matt admits, it has ALL the fizz, and for me, that’s what a sports car is all about. And it most certainly does.
Awesome review, Matt. Just to clarify, the plain-Jane 718 Spyder is indeed a true GT department car. Same engine and chassis as the GT4. I know that you know this.
Yeah Matt, you were 100% right with your choice to get the DeMan car, what a thing that is. I'd be happy with a regular Spyder personally, although I live in Northern England so maybe the Cayman. One day.
@@hbullock Why? DeMan will also work with the GT3 engine, Matt has made videos on cars with that modification as well. I believe Tom Segura's GT3 Touring had the DeMan treatment and was shown on this channel
The review I’ve been waiting for! Absolutely epic that you got all of these together. Your Deman engine sounds simply stupendous. I need one in my life! Also Matt, we met at your Greenwich house in like 2012 after Greenwich Concours D Elegance. Absolutely epic and I hope our paths can cross again soon!
That Bimini top mechanism on that RS is just ridiculous! That would be a deal breaker for me. Your car is the best option if I wanted to spend that kind of money on overall performance however I'd probably have the regular Spyder if I wanted a naturally aspirated Boxster to have fun with on the weekends. Great video!
I understand but what’s the point of getting this kind of car, and going and driving it in the rain when you might need the top (I have driven a Spyder RS in the rain without the top and at highway speed, literally zero water gets in the cabin). Just don’t use the top, hell, don’t even bring it with you to save some weight. Seems pretty simple to me.
I for one have been with Matt on this whole journey and I couldn’t be happier for him. This to me feels like the GT35R/GT500 decision. I settled on the former, but there are times I want lazy low down torque that isn’t there
I agree the way the exhaust sound carries like Matt said for me is the most important I would take the DeMan. I love driving my 981 FVD Brombacher by M&M the way the sound bounces of the stadium at the track the cars gone but you still hear it even when off throttle.
Excellent video, you absolutely nail it , we all pick and fine tune cars to our own liking !!! I have crazy 992 Touring with buckets, cage, race clutch (911 ST) and MR alignment- love it . Owned 2 Spyders before , with light weight HRE, buckets , light flywheel , loud exhaust and ordered Spyder RS . Your car is so unique and it is exactly the way you like it.
What a delicious review - to be inhaled by fresh coffee and a fruit tart. This is awesome guys. And also I am very happy for Matt that you still prefer and like your car. Double awesome! The majority of us should be ver happy about it!
You did an excellent job, Matt. Thank you. They are indeed 3 unique riffs on sports car perfection. No wrong answer. (I’ve had 2 of the 3) I will say, as far as canyon carving goes, I’d rather come out of a corner at 7000 RPMs than 4000. :) Just sayin.
Well done Matt….I find the Spyder RS to be brilliant and love the intake wail. Much better in person than in videos. The base Spyder probably looks a bit better and cleaner to be fair. Well done on your conversion!
I thought the same, but it almost seems a waste to choose a car with that GT engine just to do the DeMan anyway. I think I'd take a non-RS Spyder, do the DeMan engine, and then fit your favourite pieces of bodywork from the RS, the vented wings, carbon panels etc etc!
I'm a coupe guy, but if you just remove the section for rain and noise then the time and inconvenience wouldn't be much. I'd like to have the DeMan 4.5 in my 2010 Cayman S and retain the 6 speed manual.
Well said sir! I can imagine myself doing this same review and I'd probably (can only imagine) I'd say the same. The most important part is individuality. Drive the car FOR YOU.
Man, your car sounds wild. I'm trying to think of what it sounds like, but I don't have enough time with some of the other Porsches. I'd have to think it sounds more like an air cooled race car. Maybe an IROC? Would like to hear what Spike or Jerry compare it to. Either way, all three cars are amazing. Rick makes a very well executed package to be able to improve that well on an already excellent base vehicle. Thank you for the comparison.
Thank you for this informative video! I have the 2022 Porsche 718 Spyder with manual transmission. Had it a few months now. Bought it used. It's yellow with very good specs including a titanium over axial PF delete pipe. I did a Softronic tune. The BHP is probably close to 450 and the torque close to 350. Love that car. It's everything I need. (I also have a tuned Lotus Evora GT with 504BHP and 403rwt) PS: I got the car vacuum. :-)
Great video. Though wish you could have also had a stock 981 Spyder to compare. I still think the 981 Spyder is the best of the bunch… Compared to the 718 Spyder, the 981 has a much better sounding engine and exhaust note. It also has a much firmer clutch pedal and better exterior curves, especially the rear end with its curved and integrated taillights. Sure, the 981 Spyder has less power and less front end grip, as instead of the 991 GT3 front end chassis and steering it has the same fixed suspension as the Cayman and Boxster GTS with the optional lowere Sport suspension and the steering rack from the 991 Turbo. Again, though, the fixed suspension is Goldilocks perfect without the need for any adjustment, whereas the 718 Spyder suspension is either too hard or too soft in its 2 settings. The Spyder is a car that’s about experience, not lap times or drag races. To that end, the 981 Spyder in stock form has the best suspension, the best clutch pedal feel, the best sound (of any stock Spyder, IMO), and the best looks. And it’s cheaper than all 3 of the options you tested.
Thanks Matt. This was a very timely and informative video for me. I own a manual 718 Spyder and have been considering a Deman upgrade at some point down the road. Than last week, I got a call from my Porsche dealer that they had a SRS allocation and I was next on the list. I have until April till the build goes hard and my deposit does as well. I’d appreciate any feedback by Matt or others around the pdk vs manual differences. I recently drove a 997 with pdk, but that felt pretty sterile compared to my Spyder. Not sure it was a fair evaluation of the pdk. Maybe the next video could be a deep dive into SRS pdk vs Spyder with manual.
What a lineup! I think the factory RS being a high revving buzzbox is (rightfully) in keeping with RS tradition, but I also agree that you'll be constantly breaking the speed limits to enjoy that sound in that particular car. Revvy engines are perhaps better suited to slower cars in general. Your Integra Type Rs and whatnot. The DeMan 4.5 makes so much sense for your usecase, and I bet most people's usecase really. Maybe less sense than the stock Spyder, but more than the RS for sure. Love the soft top race, it's a great addition to the video AND it's informative for potential buyers😁
Now thissss is what we want to see! What a grouping. Would like to see you guys drive a well sorted Gen 2 Viper RT10 with fresh rubber. One of the most exciting and pure driving experiences I've found. I think people would be surprised with how well a nice early Viper drives.
Great review Matt! I agree that your car is the best of the three although for most people it's not emissions legal in California. I know that for you it's not an issue......
981 S/GTS is where its at. Has the sounds, fast roof and a fraction of the cost. Itll take a corner at similar speeds, so are you really slowing fown that much in a canyon
It's certainly diminishing returns, stepping up to a 981 spyder... But the spyder without a doubt sounds better, handles better, and looks better. The S/GTS are amazing values, but the rareness of the 981 Spyder has also helped it to retain its value and even appreciate.
@@sbdave so you own a spyder? If money were no object I guess I'd be in a 488 pista spider! All great cars. Porsche are very clever about offering small incremental gains
I couldn’t agree more I loved my 718 Spyder I wanted the PDK and bucket seats now I have the Spyder RS and love that too they are like different cars completely. The roof goes up very rarely so never a problem.
Watching this makes me love my BGTS 4.0 even more. I would not want to deal with roof mechanism on either of these variants. I've already put on a JCR exhaust and will probably do the shorter gears next. Altogether I'd still be under $120K. So, what I learned from this video is that I've got a keeper in BGTS 4.0 :)
I bought Boxster Gts 4.0 instead of both and very happy with it. In terms of practicality gts is way better than both. Fabspeed headers, opf delete and m engineering stage 2 tune performance is pretty good and so the exhaust note. Gts and spyder engine exhaust note is better than spyder rs for sure. Your 4.5 built is pretty nice and best choice in these 3 cars but I would prefer that on a gts for everyday enjoyment. Thanks for the video.
Awesome head-to-head comparison. Your car looks amazing. Other than aesthetics, if you're tuning, advantage of Spider over GTS? I have a 4.0 and am getting pretty close to doing something about the transmission ratio and power.
I wouldn't have any regrets about how you built yours either. It's exactly what I'd do as well. I too would rather your setup vs. a 4RS. Though I'm up by South Lake Tahoe so I'd go Cayman gt4 because we get more rain and snow. I'd still go 18 way adjustables and manual though. How anyone would say anything negative about your setup is beyond me.
Each to thier own, but a porsche boxster isn't a turbo diesel/muscle car. Its a high rev old school sports car that lost its way with turbos. If sound is no longer Important, why not get you torque from an EV
I absolutely love my base 718 Boxster. I don't think for the additional money that it's worth it to go up to a Spyder. The stock gear also works pretty well for the Turbo cars.
This video was well done. Totally agree with Matt that’s there’s no bad choice here. To my ears, nothing beats the sound of the RS but to my wallet, nothing beats the standard Spyder. The DeMan just sweetens the deal quite a bit and no question is a torque beast. However, I still feel like a tuned Spyder or GT4 with a Kline exhaust is the right way to go and is an absolutely perfect canyon carver and just all around fun car; not too stiff, no harsh ride and tons of fun. Don’t ask me how I know ;-)
@thesmokingtire I’ve loved your Spyder in videos and in person (the people at Peterson agreed at the drive-in the other year!). I couldn’t help but notice the flattery to James May’s 987 Spyder video “race” and as a 987 owner, it’s wild to see the same top being re-used on the new 982 Spyder RS. I have to admit I’m a bit jealous of the 718 Spyder top in comparison for those few times I have to put the top up (rain or washing usually only). See you out on the canyons. Go #Spyders!
Strong tangent from the videos topic, but do you think you will do "custom builds" again? I still love the VIP build you did a lot of years ago. That was awsome, I had fun watching that ^^ I like what you do now, I still watch pretty much all your videos, I miss those though.
The problem is how you roll the top up. It needs to be done in a different way. You need to clip the ends to the bar!! It would help a lot and also makes more place in the trunk, because the clips will end up in the correct position under the "trunk".
Absolutely loved the video! Matt, what is the exact configuration of your exhaust on your Spyder? Is that the stock back box with headers/high flow cats and new OAP’s? Thanks again for the great comparison!
FOr those who wonder, the $240k number for the Spyder RS is an average taken between this particular press car ($210k) and the four other Spyder RS's we have either at WCCS or in our friend network. This test car was the lowest price, and the highest was over $290k. We have never seen one actually sell for less than $200k.
I don't agree. A 2024 build if you do not have PCCB, bucket seats, Weissach, and Paint to Sample it was a car of $185K. This will be comparable to the build of the other two Spyders. My car 2024 Weissach with stripe (additional cost) + PCCB + Bucket. $200k.
$240 is not an average but a top PTS and magnesium build.
for comparison my stepfather has just been offered one with 2000 miles on the clock from Porsche UK for £170,000 which is $222,000. He said it's got pretty much every option.
I think he'll find the ride too tough for our crappy roads. Me, I prefer the Deman...my wallet prefers a 981 S manual
@@RandomPunter-xo9txCan you still order a new RS in Europe? I know all regular 718 production ended in July but heard that RS might carry on as the price is high enough to swallow the £penalty Porsche pays for the cars not meeting the latest speed-limit-adhering EU safety standards.
@@bill9629 talking actual sale prices, with ADM, like my dealer wants $50k-75k ADM on GT4RS, so a $200k build becomes $250k because
Mine was $212k with PTS, weissach and PCCB. No magnesium wheels.
Super informative video, I actually went and chose a 2001 325ci with 200,000 miles
Great car :)
A connoisseur I see
😂
Happy for you
MY GUY
I really like the concept of the stock car/tuned car/factory tuned car review.
Yep. Same
I happen to know for a fact Matt and Zach both get in matching pajamas and drink tea on the couch and scroll through the comments together after every new upload
Zach has even the same cats :)
What an uncomfortable comment to say. You sound like a pedo
Ah, I see you've also seen footage from the Diddy tapes.
@@joeljeffrey9139They use Rotella T6 tho🛢️
Matt looking like the ceo of mary kay (in the most badass way possible)
😂
imagine he actually is
I’m a simple man. I see strawberry shortcake, I click.
Matt can’t make more strawberry shortcake videos than I’m willing to watch
There was an error in video about the convertible tops… he said the Spyder RS top wasn’t as bad as the “981 version … with the zipper.” He meant to say 987 version, which had the very difficult top. The 981 Spyder has the identical convertible top as the 718 Spyder.
That DeMan engine is an absolute monster.
Maaan, are there really any people wanting you to regret it? This build of yours is an ABSOLUTE BLAST, its torque curve seems to be way better fitted for the daily use and its sound is like out of this world, I totally love it.
Maybe one day I’ll give the same treatment to my GTS4.0’s engine…
I don't think they do...perhaps some do on the color combo, but not on the Deman conversion. Thought that was odd comment.
@@The_Stanmanthis video is full of odd comments unfortunately. Many of them explaining why Matt is wrong for buying the car he likes
@@The_Stanman They actually do both the GTS 4.0 and the GT4.
@@TheKoolaidekidd sorry, my comment was that I don't think all these people want Farah to regret his choice.
I saw Demann added 4.0L GTS to cars they can do it too, which is sweet.
@@The_Stanman Got it! :)
I now understand what Matt was saying about how easy the Miata makes putting the top up and down. 15 seconds vs 1.5-3 minutes is pretty wild.
How long the Miata's roof takes just depends on how strong your deltoids are. The Spyder RS process would make a great sobriety test
@@jpl8878yup, with reasonable shoulder mobility, a Miata / MX -5 roof takes about 5 secs.
To be fair normal Boxster takes about 11 seconds, but the top is probably 20 lbs heavier
The Spyder's very manual top, for me, made it a non-starter. Give me the power top that the rest of the Boxster lineup offers, or the manual top in the Miata.
Miata top is more like 3 seconds down, 5 up or something close for me.
Thanks to TST for putting this video together. Love how mature and balanced Matt's commentary is as well.
Yeah it is somewhat balanced. But it would’ve been nice to get an outsider’s perspective who doesn’t OWN ONE OF THE CARS.
Awesome review! Drove a GT3 back to back with a 4.5 GT4, would take the 4.5 without question. Even better, a 4.5 spyder. I did the shakedown drive for my friends 981 Spyder 4.5 before shipping it back to the west coast and it was the most fun Porsche I've ever driven. It was on the stock skinny tires and you could slide that car everywhere. Merging onto the highway in 2nd gear partial throttle, wheel spin, short shifted and rolled into 3rd, got about 1000rpm through the gear and wheel spin again, short shifted again to 4th before the car settled down. The torque everywhere 4.5 makes the car feel hundreds of pounds lighter because the car just goes, effortless, the GT3 engine is awesome and dramatic but it feels limited, you have to wait for revs or always be riding the top end for that feeling.
You are claiming crap, dude!
"...the GT3 engine....feels limited"
OMG.
American clowns like you have no fu....ing clue about the real capability of GT cars.
Greetings from Germany
The right man to discuss the 718, great vid Mr Farrah, one of your best in ages
I heard on the podcast that youtube isn't doing good. I'm willing to bet that, if you were to start doing One Takes again, views would go up. I understand the safety concerns when driving sketchy cars, but you can screen the builds before driving them.
Yep, we all miss tuned cars on the channel so much.
Yes! Please more tuner one-takes!!!
Or at least do more One-Takes of press cars.
Thanks for the video! Currently own a 718 Spyder w/manual and literally just a few weeks ago canceled an allocation for a SpyderRS after spending the day with a 4RS. The base Spyder is just SO GOOD already, plus manual... just couldn't bring myself to do it. The RS is worth the money - the base Spyder is the bargain and I can't walk away from it.
Agree. Money is an issue. Major issue. Regular Spyder is the best
Plus the hassle of center lock wheels and the potential cost of replacing carbon rotors makes the RS a little too impractical.
@@alangil40you don’t have to get PCCB….they are an option. A very expensive one.
I fear the day I get that phone call. I will likely go the same way you did. I think the OG looks the best. Also the top on the RS would drive me nuts. I love my 6 speed Spyder. It is a very special car. Not sure I could get rid of it. I think if I got the phone call I might buy it and keep the Spyder and sell whichever one I thought was better.
@@flyjbaker never, ever sell your Spyder. You will surely regret it.
I have the Spyder RS and it is just sublime in every way. One of the best overall packages Porsche has ever put together
Awesome video Matt. Been watching you for years and years. Could be your best yet. Keep it up mate, don’t let the bad guys get you down. Xx
The DeMan engine definitely sounds the best. And of course manual transmission is where it's at. "Muscle Porsche" is what I was thinking as well.
Agree. Own a manual Spyder myself. Just wondering why everyone talks about the manual and then most buy the PDK and the latte is actually more expensive. Just so strange to see it. 😂
The gearing is an issue not a nitpick. In canyons you basically stay in second the whole time. 1st is short, 2nd and 3rd are long. And there isn’t much difference from 3rd to 4th. Same thing on the 996. And 997 is a little better.
This seems like a video that will eventually have millions of views. It's reference material, like the Chris Harris F40/F50 video, enthusiasts are going to be coming back to this a decade from now.
Love the review. I am sooo happy with my 2023 Spyder. I had an opportunity to buy an RS, but for $75,000 over sticker. NO way. The idea of a very difficult top and no manual, further solidified my wish to buy a Spyder. However, good luck in buying a Spyder with low mileage without paying over. I paid about $20,000 over for my low mileage Spyder (843 miles). It was within 98% how I would have spec'd it out and that was still much less than $75K. I am considering a tune and exhaust and, possibly the transmission from DeMan. I am still not convinced about going to 4.5L on this car. I might do that on my 991.1 GTS. As always, great reviews.
Somebody got a confirmation TODAY for his Spyder RS being delivered next year spring and now I see this video popping up! 🎉
Congrats
@@docjaramilloThank you! Can't wait... changing camps from a V6 Emira to the "dark side" of Porsche. I'm so excited!
Not going for the carbon bucket seats btw as Matt suggested on the TST podcast a while ago...
@@hml_xy9480Congrats! Try the buckets out for a longer drive if you can. I had no aches or pains over a 1200 mile trip.
Massive upgrade from the Emira
@@hml_xy9480 You’ll love it. The fizz is unlike any other, the intakes unique and sublime. If the top bothers someone…it’s not the car for them. It’s like turning away Scarlette Johansson because she takes a little while to get ready. As Matt admits, it has ALL the fizz, and for me, that’s what a sports car is all about. And it most certainly does.
Awesome review, Matt. Just to clarify, the plain-Jane 718 Spyder is indeed a true GT department car. Same engine and chassis as the GT4. I know that you know this.
Yeah Matt, you were 100% right with your choice to get the DeMan car, what a thing that is. I'd be happy with a regular Spyder personally, although I live in Northern England so maybe the Cayman. One day.
Until it blows up and Rick DeMan ghosts him
Your video of the RS Spyder in Germany at the launch sold me. Love my Spyder RS, might get DeMan to give it the 4.5 treatment next.
Does that keep the 9k revs plus added torque ?
Why would you get rid of the GT3 engine?
@@EntrepreneursInCars That is a completely nonsensical statement.
@@hbullock Why? DeMan will also work with the GT3 engine, Matt has made videos on cars with that modification as well. I believe Tom Segura's GT3 Touring had the DeMan treatment and was shown on this channel
The review I’ve been waiting for! Absolutely epic that you got all of these together. Your Deman engine sounds simply stupendous. I need one in my life!
Also Matt, we met at your Greenwich house in like 2012 after Greenwich Concours D Elegance. Absolutely epic and I hope our paths can cross again soon!
Ordered two of those V8 vacuums. Perfect timing for some gifts. Thanks Matt.
Thanks Matt for not bs-ing about the Spyder RS roof. Its so easy to do it !
That Bimini top mechanism on that RS is just ridiculous! That would be a deal breaker for me. Your car is the best option if I wanted to spend that kind of money on overall performance however I'd probably have the regular Spyder if I wanted a naturally aspirated Boxster to have fun with on the weekends. Great video!
I understand but what’s the point of getting this kind of car, and going and driving it in the rain when you might need the top (I have driven a Spyder RS in the rain without the top and at highway speed, literally zero water gets in the cabin). Just don’t use the top, hell, don’t even bring it with you to save some weight. Seems pretty simple to me.
I for one have been with Matt on this whole journey and I couldn’t be happier for him. This to me feels like the GT35R/GT500 decision. I settled on the former, but there are times I want lazy low down torque that isn’t there
I agree the way the exhaust sound carries like Matt said for me is the most important I would take the DeMan. I love driving my 981 FVD Brombacher by M&M the way the sound bounces of the stadium at the track the cars gone but you still hear it even when off throttle.
Now that's cracking video. Brilliant job!
Great content piece and comparison! I’m glad you included taking the tops up and down. Super informative, thanks Matt and Zack.
Excellent video, you absolutely nail it , we all pick and fine tune cars to our own liking !!! I have crazy 992 Touring with buckets, cage, race clutch (911 ST) and MR alignment- love it . Owned 2 Spyders before , with light weight HRE, buckets , light flywheel , loud exhaust and ordered Spyder RS . Your car is so unique and it is exactly the way you like it.
What a delicious review - to be inhaled by fresh coffee and a fruit tart. This is awesome guys. And also I am very happy for Matt that you still prefer and like your car. Double awesome! The majority of us should be ver happy about it!
You did an excellent job, Matt. Thank you. They are indeed 3 unique riffs on sports car perfection. No wrong answer. (I’ve had 2 of the 3) I will say, as far as canyon carving goes, I’d rather come out of a corner at 7000 RPMs than 4000. :) Just sayin.
Well done Matt….I find the Spyder RS to be brilliant and love the intake wail. Much better in person than in videos. The base Spyder probably looks a bit better and cleaner to be fair. Well done on your conversion!
All 3 of these are perfection!!!
Yes. But hear me out. Spyder RS with the Deman 4.5 also.
I thought the same, but it almost seems a waste to choose a car with that GT engine just to do the DeMan anyway.
I think I'd take a non-RS Spyder, do the DeMan engine, and then fit your favourite pieces of bodywork from the RS, the vented wings, carbon panels etc etc!
I'm a coupe guy, but if you just remove the section for rain and noise then the time and inconvenience wouldn't be much. I'd like to have the DeMan 4.5 in my 2010 Cayman S and retain the 6 speed manual.
Great video. Great cars. I’ve been loving my BGTS 4.0 since I picked it up a few months back.
Big respect for the effort on the ad segue, always left a bad impression with a hard cut to studio
Well said sir! I can imagine myself doing this same review and I'd probably (can only imagine) I'd say the same. The most important part is individuality. Drive the car FOR YOU.
I agree with each of your choices and you've nailed it!
Loved the video, the race part had me cracking up
Man, your car sounds wild. I'm trying to think of what it sounds like, but I don't have enough time with some of the other Porsches. I'd have to think it sounds more like an air cooled race car. Maybe an IROC? Would like to hear what Spike or Jerry compare it to.
Either way, all three cars are amazing. Rick makes a very well executed package to be able to improve that well on an already excellent base vehicle.
Thank you for the comparison.
Thank you for this informative video! I have the 2022 Porsche 718 Spyder with manual transmission. Had it a few months now. Bought it used. It's yellow with very good specs including a titanium over axial PF delete pipe. I did a Softronic tune. The BHP is probably close to 450 and the torque close to 350. Love that car. It's everything I need. (I also have a tuned Lotus Evora GT with 504BHP and 403rwt) PS: I got the car vacuum. :-)
Very similar cars in caractere, except one being cabrio, imho.
This is exactly the comparison I was looking for……I’m sub’d, why isn’t TST in my feed?? Another great vid. Thx.
The spec on your Spyder is so good, I love it
Great video. Though wish you could have also had a stock 981 Spyder to compare. I still think the 981 Spyder is the best of the bunch…
Compared to the 718 Spyder, the 981 has a much better sounding engine and exhaust note. It also has a much firmer clutch pedal and better exterior curves, especially the rear end with its curved and integrated taillights.
Sure, the 981 Spyder has less power and less front end grip, as instead of the 991 GT3 front end chassis and steering it has the same fixed suspension as the Cayman and Boxster GTS with the optional lowere Sport suspension and the steering rack from the 991 Turbo.
Again, though, the fixed suspension is Goldilocks perfect without the need for any adjustment, whereas the 718 Spyder suspension is either too hard or too soft in its 2 settings.
The Spyder is a car that’s about experience, not lap times or drag races.
To that end, the 981 Spyder in stock form has the best suspension, the best clutch pedal feel, the best sound (of any stock Spyder, IMO), and the best looks. And it’s cheaper than all 3 of the options you tested.
As a 981 owner, totally agree!
Great video guys, thanks 🎉
I think that RS front splitter would look pretty good on your car. It's not too wild.
happy that you are happy.....i think if i ever had the chance, a standard car with new gear ratios would tick almost everything for me.
The sound of the Deman makes it so much more of a badass whip. Remember the base Boxter sounded like a stock Camry
American clown...
I love how much Matt looks like the other Porsche owner. It’s beautiful. Great video!!!
Thanks Matt. This was a very timely and informative video for me. I own a manual 718 Spyder and have been considering a Deman upgrade at some point down the road. Than last week, I got a call from my Porsche dealer that they had a SRS allocation and I was next on the list. I have until April till the build goes hard and my deposit does as well. I’d appreciate any feedback by Matt or others around the pdk vs manual differences. I recently drove a 997 with pdk, but that felt pretty sterile compared to my Spyder. Not sure it was a fair evaluation of the pdk. Maybe the next video could be a deep dive into SRS pdk vs Spyder with manual.
Nice summary! I'm happy to own one of the three.
What a lineup!
I think the factory RS being a high revving buzzbox is (rightfully) in keeping with RS tradition, but I also agree that you'll be constantly breaking the speed limits to enjoy that sound in that particular car.
Revvy engines are perhaps better suited to slower cars in general. Your Integra Type Rs and whatnot.
The DeMan 4.5 makes so much sense for your usecase, and I bet most people's usecase really. Maybe less sense than the stock Spyder, but more than the RS for sure.
Love the soft top race, it's a great addition to the video AND it's informative for potential buyers😁
Goldilocks: standard manual Spyder with shorter gears
Totally agree!!! I think I am going this route. Don’t forget the Kline exhaust!!!
What is amazing about this video is the Clarity of the voice even with roof down in the RS.
Now thissss is what we want to see! What a grouping. Would like to see you guys drive a well sorted Gen 2 Viper RT10 with fresh rubber. One of the most exciting and pure driving experiences I've found. I think people would be surprised with how well a nice early Viper drives.
Great review Matt! I agree that your car is the best of the three although for most people it's not emissions legal in California. I know that for you it's not an issue......
Your car absolutely sounds the best.
Really enjoyed the format of the video. Taking the 4.5L spyder every time.
Excited to watch this comparison
981 S/GTS is where its at. Has the sounds, fast roof and a fraction of the cost. Itll take a corner at similar speeds, so are you really slowing fown that much in a canyon
It's certainly diminishing returns, stepping up to a 981 spyder... But the spyder without a doubt sounds better, handles better, and looks better. The S/GTS are amazing values, but the rareness of the 981 Spyder has also helped it to retain its value and even appreciate.
@@sbdave so you own a spyder? If money were no object I guess I'd be in a 488 pista spider! All great cars.
Porsche are very clever about offering small incremental gains
Love this video!!! Great job making it Matt @ Zack!
I couldn’t agree more I loved my 718 Spyder I wanted the PDK and bucket seats now I have the Spyder RS and love that too they are like different cars completely. The roof goes up very rarely so never a problem.
Watching this makes me love my BGTS 4.0 even more. I would not want to deal with roof mechanism on either of these variants. I've already put on a JCR exhaust and will probably do the shorter gears next. Altogether I'd still be under $120K. So, what I learned from this video is that I've got a keeper in BGTS 4.0 :)
JCR is incredible, have on my 911 🙏
I will always give a thumbs up for when Matt shows us tedious supercar stuff.
Great video - really interesting and informative. I love your pink car, it's perfect!!
You know Matt, Deman has a 4.5 for the SRS/GT4RS also. Imagine that, a stroked and bored 9k California hot rod😊
I’ll take the Deman in Guards red with the Silver Wheels… perfect!
That guards red with silver wheels is where it’s at thanks very much…
I bought Boxster Gts 4.0 instead of both and very happy with it. In terms of practicality gts is way better than both. Fabspeed headers, opf delete and m engineering stage 2 tune performance is pretty good and so the exhaust note. Gts and spyder engine exhaust note is better than spyder rs for sure. Your 4.5 built is pretty nice and best choice in these 3 cars but I would prefer that on a gts for everyday enjoyment. Thanks for the video.
With you on that play. Boxster GTS manual proper roof, shorter gearing , ( Suspension if you must) happy days.
Well done! really interesting comparaison :))
Awesome head-to-head comparison. Your car looks amazing. Other than aesthetics, if you're tuning, advantage of Spider over GTS? I have a 4.0 and am getting pretty close to doing something about the transmission ratio and power.
matt, you definitely chose the right car! Such a badass machine!
I wouldn't have any regrets about how you built yours either. It's exactly what I'd do as well. I too would rather your setup vs. a 4RS. Though I'm up by South Lake Tahoe so I'd go Cayman gt4 because we get more rain and snow. I'd still go 18 way adjustables and manual though.
How anyone would say anything negative about your setup is beyond me.
Each to thier own, but a porsche boxster isn't a turbo diesel/muscle car. Its a high rev old school sports car that lost its way with turbos.
If sound is no longer Important, why not get you torque from an EV
Matt, when it comes to you doing Porsche’s, there is no substitute!! 😂
13.5:1 on 91 octane reliably is gangster
I absolutely love my base 718 Boxster. I don't think for the additional money that it's worth it to go up to a Spyder. The stock gear also works pretty well for the Turbo cars.
I pick the GT4RS over the 992 GT3..it drives amazing and worth every penny!!! The sound is intoxicating!!
This video was well done. Totally agree with Matt that’s there’s no bad choice here. To my ears, nothing beats the sound of the RS but to my wallet, nothing beats the standard Spyder. The DeMan just sweetens the deal quite a bit and no question is a torque beast. However, I still feel like a tuned Spyder or GT4 with a Kline exhaust is the right way to go and is an absolutely perfect canyon carver and just all around fun car; not too stiff, no harsh ride and tons of fun. Don’t ask me how I know ;-)
@thesmokingtire I’ve loved your Spyder in videos and in person (the people at Peterson agreed at the drive-in the other year!). I couldn’t help but notice the flattery to James May’s 987 Spyder video “race” and as a 987 owner, it’s wild to see the same top being re-used on the new 982 Spyder RS. I have to admit I’m a bit jealous of the 718 Spyder top in comparison for those few times I have to put the top up (rain or washing usually only). See you out on the canyons. Go #Spyders!
Oh man so good. I wish I could get that engine on the other side of the world in my spyder too
I love this shot so much 21:18
Strong tangent from the videos topic, but do you think you will do "custom builds" again? I still love the VIP build you did a lot of years ago. That was awsome, I had fun watching that ^^
I like what you do now, I still watch pretty much all your videos, I miss those though.
Should’ve just made the two tops the same, but love this test 🤙
Love your Cayman. REALLY love your Pam 610!
I'm happy for you. It's the perfect car
The best Porsche is the Porsche you drive. I feel the same way about my car.
The problem is how you roll the top up. It needs to be done in a different way. You need to clip the ends to the bar!! It would help a lot and also makes more place in the trunk, because the clips will end up in the correct position under the "trunk".
4:00 Continuation of first gen NSX
7:00 RS
20:10 DeMan 4.5L
27:50 They're all great
great video Matt - i think i would go the way you did but not so sure about having a pink one.
I think it's perfect, in a sea of black, white and grey, a fun car should be a fun colour.
Woohoo, that Deman motor is one nasty mfker. What an awesome video, I love seeing comparisons
Love all of them!
13:28 "what?!" 😂
Finally! I have been waiting on this.
Absolutely loved the video!
Matt, what is the exact configuration of your exhaust on your Spyder? Is that the stock back box with headers/high flow cats and new OAP’s?
Thanks again for the great comparison!