@@harssitakeme8722 See when you observe things without evaluating then you record the events or the subjects as they are. When you start evaluating, you introduce your own biases and prejudices. What we need in my understanding is to observe things well and good for a good period of time and then replay the events after to analyse the situation.. When you are used to using a Hammer, you see everything as a Nail.
It is the wrong question because if you try to quiet the mind this only agitates the mind. Ignore thoughts. Don't pay the mind any mind. Instead, attend to the feeling and experiencing of the moment/the here and now. Be fully aware of just this eternal and ever-new moment.
Why are you saying that is the wrong question? Nothing is wrong or good but way of acceptance make it so! Try and trylessness both lies in one tryliness! Hope you can understand it!
Wrong! What he is talking about is that all this spiritual practices like meditation is being in the unconscious mind! But he is is stating clear that we should avoid is and try to live in a conscious mind - which is covers only one ten of the population example; USA
You can't ignore thoughts but can only witness and let be, let mind be mind as it has any thoughts, be it good or bad thoughts or any in between, you just let mind be as it is at that moment... As you learn to get used to it, slowly but surely you will understand that mind is never a problem in itself.
@@Brahma.369There is nothing wrong with having a goal and the same can be said for having no goal. Life works best when you alternate between everything and nothing, between sleep and wakefulness, light and dark... if this was not the case then why is there an universe right now? Things come from nothingness and go back to nothingness 🙏
Yeah he comes in hot on this one. I believe we mustn't actively try to keep the mind quiet but when thoughts do arise just let them come and pass away like clouds in the sky. Trying to keep the mind blank and quiet is just a further agitation of the mind. ❤
thank u krishnamurti.. he has been helping us all his whole life... he had that deep compassion for all of us... ive nothing but gratitude and tears in my eyes...
JK’s sayings make us aware of the boundaries that exist in different paths a human can or may pursue; in the very first instance, though his expression appears to be contradicting the various other paths, the underlying principles of natural way of self realisation hold good even in his; because words and language have its own limitations. Anyway, this JK’s expression is strong enough to awaken and alert all who try to seek self realisation. 🙏
As I pointlessly save this in the little TH-cam Library folder that I have called "non-duality", I laugh and I think of my mother who would have been 100 years old today and who dearly loved Krishnamurti. She had great difficulty suppressing her desire to in some way "pass it on" to everybody she met-- she could never quite let go of really really wanting a guru. Such a conundrum.
haha, He was so fortunate in fact to have met K. To see and realize the truth that he was living a lie for 25 years took him just an instant. 25 years of a life of lie had not dulled his perception or wisdom, it had in fact somehow made him open and non rigid, as difficult or as impossible as that sounds. He was prepared.
Any form of meditation that involves a system and an end (aka self-hypnosis, aka belief) is a waste of life. Any type of belief divorces you from truth and projects you in a faker man made reality. “Belief is deadly.” - Jiddu Krishnamurti This is how all people waste their lives caught in deadly beliefs that have absolutely nothing to do with truth. “We have lived like this for thousands of years, life like this is meaningless. We cannot carry on like this.” - Jiddu Krishnamurti The fake world of man. The human being has not flowered for thousands and thousands of years. Previously, I could not understand why Jiddu Krishnamurti would always put down technological progress as something unimportant and irrelevant. Now I see it very clearly. The more “civilized” a society is, the further away it is from nature, the more fake and worthless it is. The fake world of man. Humans should have never created the fake man made economy, humans are supposed to be on the natural economy and to provide for ALL their needs ONLY with their one and only body, just like all wildlife does. You have to earn it naturally, not this fake garbage here. Nature does not tolerate nonsense.
Mind becomes quiet when react to things as they are, accept, observe but not react and that too involuntarily in all kinds of situations, whether happy or pain. Although I am too not able to do this to its fullest but I am slowly progressing. Basically only if you wish to be happy you'll be sad, but if you don't expect happiness (hard to understand by a normal being) you'll experience something like never before. Understanding that everything is temporary makes you more easy to understand all the things I mentioned above. Vipassana taught me this.
Absolutely brilliant. Same is true for all those - including myself until recently - who believe they have experienced the divine whilst using psychedelics such as dmt, ketamine, etc.
you did experience the divine, there is nothing outside of the divine. but, divine is just a word, just a description...it's better to drop descriptions, and see the world as it is.
He is right. How can you stop a war, once it has started ? It must be abandoned, because if you fight, the war keeps on for good. Thanks for the video.
When you are wandering about in nature and all your senses are alert to the beauty of nature best way to quiet the mind . I handmake jewellery and my mind is on doing and loving what I do IS meditation because there are no thoughts ...
The mind will not quiet . The same as your stomach will not stop producing billis, etc. it is not a matter of stopping the flow of thoughts what matters. It is a matter of giving the correct importance that mind deserves, and go live your life out of your head
@Earth Sounds. Ur reply was simply bessst....yes true our liver intestine stomach won't stop their churning they aren't suppose to stop fit life's beautiful survival processes same goes with respiration activity of lungs so same goes with mind why stop or quiet natural phenomena of our survival, instinct, intellectual activities but you nailed it so well in ur reply in the end..."Give mind the only needed that much importance that it deserves..." so well said...👏 our mind is a tool use this tool to the need of the activity present in fro tnof us n then let the tool lay aside calmy..learn to enjoy relax so simple yet we all complicate everything from the time we wake up till the time we go to sleep many run their mind before sleeping too n need to pop up then sleeping pills or are cases of insomnia..wat have we all turned up our minds into....deep trouble tool...sad n something to ponder upon seriously n take right steps...right knowledge correct self on time....🤔 💭 thank u for ur message it helped me 🙏
@Earthsounds. The mind is quiet when the breath is steady. Because thoughts and breath are like driver driving a car. The breath is the driver and the thoughts is a car. When someone has a panic attack( mind invoking fear), one can get out of panic attacks by taking a long, deep and steady breath. This is also the reason why we fall asleep in night. If the breath unsteady and restless, we would never fall asleep. A dead person will have a permanent quiet mind, how so? Because he doesn't have any breath. Tools like pranayama, yoga, and meditation are utilities to steady breath and quiet our mind/thoughts.
There is no way you can control the mind from the chatter always happening, but as an observer consciousness, you can always find you different from that, which is your true Self, Atman and Soul if you may call it. This is the True Self according to Adi Shankara which is readily available all the time if only one is interested to align with, which is Svasvrupanusandhan which does not involve any Karma or guided by any goal set by any Sastra or Guru for that matter but be a mere witness to the environs including the mistaken self, the mind. Adi Sankara was the humility personified, never criticised any other path but only said that it is the practice of Gnana, that will liberate. In fact he didn't declare liberation as the Goal but cried hoarse that the Man is always a liberated self but actually not aware of that free self because of Avidya or false notion.🙏🙏🙏
they tell you alcohol will get you drunk. they give it to you, you drink it and get drunk. the question is: what were you even looking for, before you were suggested alcohol? was it simply a direction?! and by chance you were suggested the very thing you seem to chase now, i.e getting drunk
It is not an end, there is no projection. Projection implies an active mind with a thought. You are beyond mind and thought and whatever projection Jattu is talking about. When the mind is devoid of thoughts, you reveal yourself. You are that shining self illuminator light that cannot be put in words or described. It is THAT self realisation which is beyond any language.
it might be impossible to be devoid of thoughts, but i think it might be possible to just witness the thoughts, they seem to vanish when you do so. for a short while anyway.
For to find out who you are , you received a life to live . With experiences you go through . In order to find out how far your mind belong to you you must rely only on your own experiences And out of those experiences you have to compose a data and find out what could possibly be the connection between all of those experiences you went trough . The more the connection the more awareness will shines in you .
i suffered with ocd since 12 years, i have read many articles and watched many videos of psychologists and tried all the things to get rid from it, but after watching the krishnamurthys videos Now i am not trying to get rid of OCDs as i am no more OCD patient.
What I do is welcome thoughts.... I say okay come over me... they come & go. The more I try to stop things , the more I'm bothered, instead I let it pass naturally. For eg, I am having thoughts about my crush, but I know slowly it's gonna fade away.
If the goal is to quiet the mind,then drugs can do it with less effort.People want peace and happiness not exactly a quiet mind.But on the road most will lose the first goal..Meditation is more than a quiet mind.Meditation is a goal in itiself.
K’s business model is fair and balanced. It doesn’t promote itself and it draws attention. Where to begin? Alongside how to understand? Are both unable to access the immeasurable. If one is at all interested in the immeasurable. Maybe one has been interested in the immeasurable for 25 years. Perhaps inquiring apart would have achieved that goal. And it did not…
For me it works to just be honest with my self even if I cannot be honest. You can include the end in you ñ, both are ok. You can do the right thing for the wrong reasons. You can set a "unreal" goal, and then enjoy the path. The you I'm talking about it is not you but ME. Your path is your path, every doubt every "mistake" was all to bring you here. And in the end, I don't know, I don't really know. But I feel myself, I feel the pain, I feel the rejection, I feel the love. Both are ok. I am home for my human experience, I will be with me as much as I can.
The truth may be one/ the subject But the teachers and students maybe At various stages in understanding the truth. Understanding/enlightenment we can play with words Every guru differs mostly because of the students and their level of understanding And to claim the guru's uniqueness. But whatever it is the basic of spirituality is How to master the monkey mind Just because you are in the physical body and you have to deal with it to live a happy/peacefull life while everything is moving and changing. Most of the human beings search for spiritual wellbeing only after unbearable pain or loss of something after what they believed is going to be permanent . Here the teacher/guru is trying to say that If you don't get the point of meditation you will -not be enlightened even if you are going to Do meditation for 25 years or more years.
In other talk He said that, close your eyes, don't move eye balls and observe thoughts completely , don't get involved in it. Isn't a kind of meditation? 🙄🤔
again the word positive is a projection of the the brain to achieve something .There is nothing positive or negative . these are just labels or tags the mind uses
Quieting the mind is the first step, without that you can't strive towards enlightenment. The moment your mind vanishes completely and consistently, you attain the absolute stillness and that's nothing but enlightenment where there is only pure awareness/consciousness remains and that's the real "you".
But he has left me questioning what am I supposed to do now? I do meditation every day for approaching 5 years, I follow a system practicing the same meditation every day. Is there a video where he explains what to do next? Do I continue my meditation but approach it differently by giving myself to it, eliminating any expectation and refraining from forcing myself to empty my mind, instead naturally let whatever happen happen? Or do I just start drinking again and focus on making money and a family and throw meditation out the door because either way I am wasting my life?
What is your goal while doing meditation? What are you aiming to achieve by doing it or what you have already achieved by practicing it? Is it about quietting your mind or something else for you? This can help answer your questions . Peace.
Meditation will slowdown overthinking and the stream of thoughts..so continue with it . .but as JK says move away from 'self-centered activities' and the mind will attain quietness without a method or 'thought' forcing it..
Do whatever you want to do, but do it with awareness, observe your thoughts and see how every thought and sensation takes various expressions and manifests outside, everything starts within, the mind, the association of thought is the source of our identity and conflict, and see that whole process without participating in the expression of it, that is see that anger arises within you as a wave, a thought, enquire why and what made it arise, and look at every thought, and expression that arises and surfaces through the mind, do not stop them, do not suppress them, do not participate in them, just look at them; and in looking, you are free from all those that arise. The 'looking' takes courage, openness which immedietly creates a distance, a detachment from all that you identify as 'you'. Then you are. But first see your conditioning and realize it as it is, then only you begin to 'look' at it. I hope this helps you 🙏🏻
The human being,as a mind,constantly seeks endorsement and attention from the other ( animate observed).In fact,we "live" through the other,and feel that our feelings of incompleteness can only be assuaged by any animate or inanimate " other"!!! the constant desire of being praised and acknowledged is the driving factor for all our action.Towards this end,we are in constant action so that our presence is acknowledged and appreciated by the rest of the community.All accumulation,material,emotional, and intellectual are,in actuality,nothing more than an attention- seeking gesture.When the introspective mind understands,as a fact,that entire humanity is engaged in this stupid,abnormal action,only because it has not,as a mind,looked into it's true identity,will there be an inclination to not only look into our incessant chatter in the form of irrational action,but also to look into our true identity.
There are always a right way and a wrong way. In meditation if you choose the wrong way you will fail. But the meditation is not faulty to calm your mind.
Not only seeing mountain and trees if you watch by Vipassana then your mind will be quite totally. Don't shout louder.Your are also teaching that means you are also guru.
it is impossible. the duty of the mind is to work with its given senses to ensure the survival of your physical body. it might be impossible to quiet the mind.
The so called 'systems' are not towards an imagined end as he says..but they are devised to transcend the mind, to go beyond all conditioning and experience the reality. Just as a thorn can be used to remove another thorn. To denounce all systems and methods is plain stupidity. Systems are needed even to lead a normal life, what to speak of enlightenment!
If the method is a systemic path, where does it lead to when there is nowhere to go? A technique, mantra, asana etc all these methods have limitations and have forms, and you want to experience the formless, the dissolution of identity, where none of your methods hold any value or work. If you start your work seeking money, security and stability, you'll probably get it, and to get there is the method, the process, but when it comes to the matter of mind, and the beyond, whatever you seek you seek through the mind when that is what you're striving to quieten, and whatever methods and techniques is just imposing a rigid structure, a regime into your activity of mind, so maybe you'll find what your seeking, but who was it that was seeking? The mind, who realized that you got it? The mind. So what have you realized?
@@amazingvipul8392 Isnt desire to stop seeking is a also a motive. I feel important question is why we seek . What is the desire which says we must seek . what do u think buddy
my understanding says that the mind is a superior organ with its sole function being survival of the body. which kind of ensues that all it wants is gratification of senses and hence avoid death, which as we all know, is impossible.
If 25 years of meditation made the man happy with himself, and he felt good, it certainly wasn’t a waste of anything. And nothing is a *waste* in the larger scheme of things. It just IS. All of life is an experience. From the stars, to the plants, animals, and humans. Otherwise it would be absolute structuring in daily life, and humans have freewill and choices, so it isn’t. The quantum cells have their own daily structuring, and those cells change daily, and throughout the day. Breathing in and out changes everything. 😉
I don't really get it. Even if it's self-hypnosis, as long as you attain what you set yourself for, why it should be deemed as a bad thing? I see many people here seem to agree with K, and then go on giving their particular method to achieve something (nonsense). If you want to get something, of course you need to do something: you need a goal, a method and a means. I think that for most people - including me - K's perspective on the matter is too advanced. Basically he's saying one should do nothing, because there is nothing to be done - or am I wrong? But for us commoners, who are still involved in this whole crazy dance of trying to avoid suffering, chasing pleasure, anxiety, hope, fear, attraction, etc. any method that would make life easier, any system that will push us a little bit closer to the point of giving up any system, is more than welcome.
It is wrong to confine oneself to God the creator. It is most indignant to the human mind to do so. However it is worse to cry foul. Why should one fear? We are all surrounded by people like ourselves. The devil is nowhere. It is a contraption created by selfish mischief.
One of my favorites from Krishnamurti, "The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence."
I agree
Im sorry for being stupid and ignorant i couldn't understand I'd be really thankful if you explain to me
💖🙏
@@harssitakeme8722 See when you observe things without evaluating then you record the events or the subjects as they are. When you start evaluating, you introduce your own biases and prejudices.
What we need in my understanding is to observe things well and good for a good period of time and then replay the events after to analyse the situation..
When you are used to using a Hammer, you see everything as a Nail.
@@Diogenesthedog0isn’t seeing without evaluating quieting the mind? To do that you would need a quiet mind I would think.
It is the wrong question because if you try to quiet the mind this only agitates the mind. Ignore thoughts. Don't pay the mind any mind. Instead, attend to the feeling and experiencing of the moment/the here and now. Be fully aware of just this eternal and ever-new moment.
Why are you saying that is the wrong question? Nothing is wrong or good but way of acceptance make it so! Try and trylessness both lies in one tryliness! Hope you can understand it!
Thank you ❤ 🙏
Wrong! What he is talking about is that all this spiritual practices like meditation is being in the unconscious mind!
But he is is stating clear that we should avoid is and try to live in a conscious mind - which is covers only one ten of the population example; USA
Unsere Unfreiheit gestalten wir , indem wir die Wahrheit erkennen und sind noch stolz darauf !
You can't ignore thoughts but can only witness and let be, let mind be mind as it has any thoughts, be it good or bad thoughts or any in between, you just let mind be as it is at that moment... As you learn to get used to it, slowly but surely you will understand that mind is never a problem in itself.
Being fully aware and observing every moment, without judging, questioning, accepting, rejecting, calculating, opiniating.......
We can attain enlightenment with this
@@gurmanbrar8945 see the irony u are having a goal my friend
@@Brahma.369There is nothing wrong with having a goal and the same can be said for having no goal. Life works best when you alternate between everything and nothing, between sleep and wakefulness, light and dark... if this was not the case then why is there an universe right now? Things come from nothingness and go back to nothingness 🙏
@@santiagoca7049 everyone will attain enlightenment..its not State .. its the source itself..! Goal or no goal..we will die ..and become one
there is no mind,no past ,no future, all are the falsity that is the movement of thought… only ‘this moment’ is what is…and everything else is not
I like when K comes in hard like that, he’s on a mission.
mission not accomplished. (And who's mission was ever...)
Yeah he comes in hot on this one. I believe we mustn't actively try to keep the mind quiet but when thoughts do arise just let them come and pass away like clouds in the sky. Trying to keep the mind blank and quiet is just a further agitation of the mind. ❤
The mind is made quiet by total awareness and self-knowledge, realizing all the ways in which it has been conditioned.
You mean "self-knowledge."
thank u krishnamurti.. he has been helping us all his whole life... he had that deep compassion for all of us... ive nothing but gratitude and tears in my eyes...
JK’s sayings make us aware of the boundaries that exist in different paths a human can or may pursue; in the very first instance, though his expression appears to be contradicting the various other paths, the underlying principles of natural way of self realisation hold good even in his; because words and language have its own limitations. Anyway, this JK’s expression is strong enough to awaken and alert all who try to seek self realisation. 🙏
As I pointlessly save this in the little TH-cam Library folder that I have called "non-duality", I laugh and I think of my mother who would have been 100 years old today and who dearly loved Krishnamurti. She had great difficulty suppressing her desire to in some way "pass it on" to everybody she met-- she could never quite let go of really really wanting a guru. Such a conundrum.
Acceptance is important to calm the mind.
The mind is quiet when it accepts what is
The conditioning mechanism is so strong that the stranglehold of thought seems impossible to surrender to what is.
The thought is what is if you observe
Exactly
Yeah but it only accepts good things it doesn't like to accept suffering, sorrow, defeat, frustration etc.
We have to be a observer and make the mind to be free.... We canot control our mind.....
My first and only teacher.
"He unfortunately came to see the speaker" Liked the humility there.
haha, He was so fortunate in fact to have met K. To see and realize the truth that he was living a lie for 25 years took him just an instant. 25 years of a life of lie had not dulled his perception or wisdom, it had in fact somehow made him open and non rigid, as difficult or as impossible as that sounds. He was prepared.
True ! Who's to say those 25 years never brought him to this realization ! ✨🙏✨
Any form of meditation that involves a system and an end (aka self-hypnosis, aka belief) is a waste of life. Any type of belief divorces you from truth and projects you in a faker man made reality.
“Belief is deadly.” - Jiddu Krishnamurti
This is how all people waste their lives caught in deadly beliefs that have absolutely nothing to do with truth.
“We have lived like this for thousands of years, life like this is meaningless. We cannot carry on like this.” - Jiddu Krishnamurti
The fake world of man. The human being has not flowered for thousands and thousands of years.
Previously, I could not understand why Jiddu Krishnamurti would always put down technological progress as something unimportant and irrelevant.
Now I see it very clearly. The more “civilized” a society is, the further away it is from nature, the more fake and worthless it is.
The fake world of man. Humans should have never created the fake man made economy, humans are supposed to be on the natural economy and to provide for ALL their needs ONLY with their one and only body, just like all wildlife does. You have to earn it naturally, not this fake garbage here. Nature does not tolerate nonsense.
Mind becomes quiet when react to things as they are, accept, observe but not react and that too involuntarily in all kinds of situations, whether happy or pain. Although I am too not able to do this to its fullest but I am slowly progressing. Basically only if you wish to be happy you'll be sad, but if you don't expect happiness (hard to understand by a normal being) you'll experience something like never before. Understanding that everything is temporary makes you more easy to understand all the things I mentioned above. Vipassana taught me this.
Absolutely brilliant. Same is true for all those - including myself until recently - who believe they have experienced the divine whilst using psychedelics such as dmt, ketamine, etc.
you did experience the divine, there is nothing outside of the divine.
but, divine is just a word, just a description...it's better to drop descriptions, and see the world as it is.
He is right. How can you stop a war, once it has started ? It must be abandoned, because if you fight, the war keeps on for good. Thanks for the video.
Valdir, wish Vladimir thought that way!
It becomes quiter as a person forgives , accepts , surrenders to the Lord's Wisdom 💖
Then New Vision and Understanding opens 😊
Dont give your power away you are the lord of you heaven and hell are here and they’re in your perception
You are the lord of you
When one focuses on one thing the mind quiets itself.
When you get down to it, " it is what it is"
Gratidão por esse video de Jiddu Krishnamurti
When you are wandering about in nature and all your senses are alert to the beauty of nature best way to quiet the mind . I handmake jewellery and my mind is on doing and loving what I do IS meditation because there are no thoughts ...
Excellent... Master.... Kodisa namaskaarangal.
Ignoring thoughts is also a method. What he is saying is that we must look into the structure of the mind and watch how it is operating.
Love jiddu krishnamurti
It's the illusion that keeps the thrive. Instead of that, just be.
Hopelessness occurs when an authoritative body crushes the Self of the individual, thus depriving him of the possibility to be what he really is. ❤
The mind will not quiet . The same as your stomach will not stop producing billis, etc. it is not a matter of stopping the flow of thoughts what matters. It is a matter of giving the correct importance that mind deserves, and go live your life out of your head
@Earth Sounds. Ur reply was simply bessst....yes true our liver intestine stomach won't stop their churning they aren't suppose to stop fit life's beautiful survival processes same goes with respiration activity of lungs so same goes with mind why stop or quiet natural phenomena of our survival, instinct, intellectual activities but you nailed it so well in ur reply in the end..."Give mind the only needed that much importance that it deserves..." so well said...👏 our mind is a tool use this tool to the need of the activity present in fro tnof us n then let the tool lay aside calmy..learn to enjoy relax so simple yet we all complicate everything from the time we wake up till the time we go to sleep many run their mind before sleeping too n need to pop up then sleeping pills or are cases of insomnia..wat have we all turned up our minds into....deep trouble tool...sad n something to ponder upon seriously n take right steps...right knowledge correct self on time....🤔 💭 thank u for ur message it helped me 🙏
Have you conquered your mind, half knowledge is more dangerous that ignorance
@Earthsounds. The mind is quiet when the breath is steady. Because thoughts and breath are like driver driving a car. The breath is the driver and the thoughts is a car. When someone has a panic attack( mind invoking fear), one can get out of panic attacks by taking a long, deep and steady breath. This is also the reason why we fall asleep in night. If the breath unsteady and restless, we would never fall asleep. A dead person will have a permanent quiet mind, how so? Because he doesn't have any breath. Tools like pranayama, yoga, and meditation are utilities to steady breath and quiet our mind/thoughts.
@@nc01sadh if we can try to stop or slow breathing for enlightenment
❤🛐🙏🏼🛐❤
Muchísimas gracias!!!❤🙏😊
Thank you thank you so much sir
shattering the honest beliefs.
Thank you. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Unsere Unfreiheit gestalten wir , indem wir die Wahrheit erkennen und sind noch stolz darauf!
Wie kann die Wahrheit jemanden unfrei machen?
Who is 'THAT' saying 'YOU' to quite the MIND?
The same MIND.
Is it trustworthy?
No.
We are caught up in an inescapable labyrinth.
Your enlightenmment goal is a thought projection and all systems are complicit in the game we play with ourselves,the dog chasing his tail.
In this video K is more intense than I've ever seen him, he's like a laser beam cutting through BS.
Thank you 🌻💞🙏🌌
There is no way you can control the mind from the chatter always happening, but as an observer consciousness, you can always find you different from that, which is your true Self, Atman and Soul if you may call it. This is the True Self according to Adi Shankara which is readily available all the time if only one is interested to align with, which is Svasvrupanusandhan which does not involve any Karma or guided by any goal set by any Sastra or Guru for that matter but be a mere witness to the environs including the mistaken self, the mind. Adi Sankara was the humility personified, never criticised any other path but only said that it is the practice of Gnana, that will liberate. In fact he didn't declare liberation as the Goal but cried hoarse that the Man is always a liberated self but actually not aware of that free self because of Avidya or false notion.🙏🙏🙏
I felt he said what i used to think . I knew it that something is wrong with these gurus , they themselves look trapped in thier ego
they tell you alcohol will get you drunk. they give it to you, you drink it and get drunk. the question is: what were you even looking for, before you were suggested alcohol? was it simply a direction?! and by chance you were suggested the very thing you seem to chase now, i.e getting drunk
It is not an end, there is no projection. Projection implies an active mind with a thought. You are beyond mind and thought and whatever projection Jattu is talking about. When the mind is devoid of thoughts, you reveal yourself. You are that shining self illuminator light that cannot be put in words or described. It is THAT self realisation which is beyond any language.
it might be impossible to be devoid of thoughts, but i think it might be possible to just witness the thoughts, they seem to vanish when you do so. for a short while anyway.
the mind is quiet when it belongs to you .
For to find out who you are , you received a life to live . With experiences you go through . In order to find out how far your mind belong to you you must rely only on your own experiences And out of those experiences you have to compose a data and find out what could possibly be the connection between all of those experiences you went trough . The more the connection the more awareness will shines in you .
"...it is the process of self-hypnosis. Got it?" Don't know why but that made me laugh out loud 😅
i suffered with ocd since 12 years, i have read many articles and watched many videos of psychologists and tried all the things to get rid from it, but after watching the krishnamurthys videos Now i am not trying to get rid of OCDs as i am no more OCD patient.
Pls tell how😢😢😢😢
Mind is unstoppable,so let it gallop or think any thing,just observe and let it go.probably it's similar to unending creative process.
Thats exactly what it is, thank you
Love jiddu
44:77 time stamp at the full video
What I do is welcome thoughts....
I say okay come over me... they come & go.
The more I try to stop things , the more I'm bothered, instead I let it pass naturally.
For eg, I am having thoughts about my crush, but I know slowly it's gonna fade away.
You got it bro...
And also, in every method there's chains. Method itself is mind put in some way. Liberation won't come like this.
If the goal is to quiet the mind,then drugs can do it with less effort.People want peace and happiness not exactly a quiet mind.But on the road most will lose the first goal..Meditation is more than a quiet mind.Meditation is a goal in itiself.
Meditation is not a goal but a process or medium or path for the sa called self realisation
there is no goal
K’s business model is fair and balanced. It doesn’t promote itself and it draws attention. Where to begin? Alongside how to understand? Are both unable to access the immeasurable. If one is at all interested in the immeasurable. Maybe one has been interested in the immeasurable for 25 years. Perhaps inquiring apart would have achieved that goal. And it did not…
There is no business, no modelling, no acquiring, no achieving....
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For me it works to just be honest with my self even if I cannot be honest. You can include the end in you ñ, both are ok. You can do the right thing for the wrong reasons. You can set a "unreal" goal, and then enjoy the path. The you I'm talking about it is not you but ME. Your path is your path, every doubt every "mistake" was all to bring you here. And in the end, I don't know, I don't really know. But I feel myself, I feel the pain, I feel the rejection, I feel the love. Both are ok. I am home for my human experience, I will be with me as much as I can.
The truth may be one/ the subject
But the teachers and students maybe
At various stages in understanding the truth.
Understanding/enlightenment we can play with words
Every guru differs mostly because of the students and their level of understanding
And to claim the guru's uniqueness.
But whatever it is the basic of spirituality is
How to master the monkey mind
Just because you are in the physical body and you have to deal with it to live a happy/peacefull life while everything is moving and changing.
Most of the human beings search for spiritual wellbeing only after unbearable pain or loss of something after what they believed is going to be permanent .
Here the teacher/guru is trying to say that
If you don't get the point of meditation you
will -not be enlightened even if you are going to
Do meditation for 25 years or more years.
Very useful to move the mountain towards you nonetheless.
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In other talk He said that, close your eyes, don't move eye balls and observe thoughts completely , don't get involved in it. Isn't a kind of meditation? 🙄🤔
To quite the mind simply direct it towards it's source.
How about knowingly self-hypnotising yourself, if it works in a positive way?
Why the hypontism? Focus on the knowing.
again the word positive is a projection of the the brain to achieve something .There is nothing positive or negative . these are just labels or tags the mind uses
The question is, who is it that gets hypnotized?
@@cssuntherrao Your counterquestion is quite insightful, thanks
If one does not accept the dual nature of mind then there arises inner conflict to quiet the mind which itself makes a person agitated
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Sorry can anyone tell me what steps do i do to achieve what you are saying self realisation without meditations.
Thank you.
This is where Krishnamurthy went wrong. He never really understood that the "systems" never really aim for a fixed known end.
Facts. The moment is where eternal life is found
xD did he now. systems today aim to exist for the least. are you sure Jk didnt know what he ws talking baout?
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the whole world lives in self hypnosis ..
and in the past
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So what was the result, I didn't hear any solution for to quit the mind,😢
Doesn't have to be. Can be, but doesn't have to be like that.
If you listen carefully he answers the question in the first 40 seconds.
Okay, nice and all… but how do I obtain enlightenment?
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Quieting was never the goal. The goal is enlightenment.
There is no goal, that one having a goal does not exist.
But by doing meditation/ Yoga one can't get enlightenment....
Meditation is only to improve our focus...
even that can be a projection
Quieting the mind is the first step, without that you can't strive towards enlightenment. The moment your mind vanishes completely and consistently, you attain the absolute stillness and that's nothing but enlightenment where there is only pure awareness/consciousness remains and that's the real "you".
There is nothing known as enlightenment😊
But, did he answered the question? Did I miss it?
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But he has left me questioning what am I supposed to do now?
I do meditation every day for approaching 5 years, I follow a system practicing the same meditation every day.
Is there a video where he explains what to do next? Do I continue my meditation but approach it differently by giving myself to it, eliminating any expectation and refraining from forcing myself to empty my mind, instead naturally let whatever happen happen?
Or do I just start drinking again and focus on making money and a family and throw meditation out the door because either way I am wasting my life?
What is your goal while doing meditation? What are you aiming to achieve by doing it or what you have already achieved by practicing it?
Is it about quietting your mind or something else for you?
This can help answer your questions .
Peace.
Meditation will slowdown overthinking and the stream of thoughts..so continue with it .
.but as JK says move away from 'self-centered activities' and the mind will attain quietness without a method or 'thought' forcing it..
Do whatever you want to do, but do it with awareness, observe your thoughts and see how every thought and sensation takes various expressions and manifests outside, everything starts within, the mind, the association of thought is the source of our identity and conflict, and see that whole process without participating in the expression of it, that is see that anger arises within you as a wave, a thought, enquire why and what made it arise, and look at every thought, and expression that arises and surfaces through the mind, do not stop them, do not suppress them, do not participate in them, just look at them; and in looking, you are free from all those that arise. The 'looking' takes courage, openness which immedietly creates a distance, a detachment from all that you identify as 'you'. Then you are. But first see your conditioning and realize it as it is, then only you begin to 'look' at it. I hope this helps you 🙏🏻
The human being,as a mind,constantly seeks endorsement and attention from the other ( animate observed).In fact,we "live" through the other,and feel that our feelings of incompleteness can only be assuaged by any animate or inanimate " other"!!! the constant desire of being praised and acknowledged is the driving factor for all our action.Towards this end,we are in constant action so that our presence is acknowledged and appreciated by the rest of the community.All accumulation,material,emotional, and intellectual are,in actuality,nothing more than an attention- seeking gesture.When the introspective mind understands,as a fact,that entire humanity is engaged in this stupid,abnormal action,only because it has not,as a mind,looked into it's true identity,will there be an inclination to not only look into our incessant chatter in the form of irrational action,but also to look into our true identity.
Where do I get the entire speech?
There are always a right way and a wrong way. In meditation if you choose the wrong way you will fail. But the meditation is not faulty to calm your mind.
Not only seeing mountain and trees if you watch by Vipassana then your mind will be quite totally. Don't shout louder.Your are also teaching that means you are also guru.
How can you quite the mind when this guy shouts 😂
He is taking his mind out.But he does not give the method to keep the mind calm.
it is impossible. the duty of the mind is to work with its given senses to ensure the survival of your physical body. it might be impossible to quiet the mind.
The so called 'systems' are not towards an imagined end as he says..but they are devised to transcend the mind, to go beyond all conditioning and experience the reality. Just as a thorn can be used to remove another thorn. To denounce all systems and methods is plain stupidity. Systems are needed even to lead a normal life, what to speak of enlightenment!
If the method is a systemic path, where does it lead to when there is nowhere to go? A technique, mantra, asana etc all these methods have limitations and have forms, and you want to experience the formless, the dissolution of identity, where none of your methods hold any value or work. If you start your work seeking money, security and stability, you'll probably get it, and to get there is the method, the process, but when it comes to the matter of mind, and the beyond, whatever you seek you seek through the mind when that is what you're striving to quieten, and whatever methods and techniques is just imposing a rigid structure, a regime into your activity of mind, so maybe you'll find what your seeking, but who was it that was seeking? The mind, who realized that you got it? The mind. So what have you realized?
So what is the alternative that is not self-hypnosis?
Do nothing or do not seek anything. Mind needs something to seek. If not the world, our mind seeks enlightenment. Just stop seeking 🙏
@@amazingvipul8392 Isnt desire to stop seeking is a also a motive. I feel important question is why we seek . What is the desire which says we must seek . what do u think buddy
@@Awaytotrade I look at it that way: Being non judgemental with whatever is will dissolve all desire, aversion and delusion.
my understanding says that the mind is a superior organ with its sole function being survival of the body. which kind of ensues that all it wants is gratification of senses and hence avoid death, which as we all know, is impossible.
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Who's the man he is referring to?
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Try listening not judging.
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If 25 years of meditation made the man happy with himself, and he felt good, it certainly wasn’t a waste of anything.
And nothing is a *waste* in the larger scheme of things. It just IS. All of life is an experience. From the stars, to the plants, animals, and humans. Otherwise it would be absolute structuring in daily life, and humans have freewill and choices, so it isn’t.
The quantum cells have their own daily structuring, and those cells change daily, and throughout the day.
Breathing in and out changes everything. 😉
Then, but the Question is remain.......
What about it?
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I’d give anything to quiet my chatty mind. It drives me crazy.
If your problem is to make the mind "quite", then you have created another problem. 😏
I don't really get it. Even if it's self-hypnosis, as long as you attain what you set yourself for, why it should be deemed as a bad thing?
I see many people here seem to agree with K, and then go on giving their particular method to achieve something (nonsense). If you want to get something, of course you need to do something: you need a goal, a method and a means.
I think that for most people - including me - K's perspective on the matter is too advanced. Basically he's saying one should do nothing, because there is nothing to be done - or am I wrong? But for us commoners, who are still involved in this whole crazy dance of trying to avoid suffering, chasing pleasure, anxiety, hope, fear, attraction, etc. any method that would make life easier, any system that will push us a little bit closer to the point of giving up any system, is more than welcome.
I’ll teach you how to quiet the mind. You can begin with learning a simple practice.
But what if the man followed the method wasn't right one, and maybe the way he did it wasn't right
I don't fully agree with J Krishnamurti.
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It is wrong to confine oneself to God the creator. It is most indignant to the human mind to do so. However it is worse to cry foul. Why should one fear? We are all surrounded by people like ourselves. The devil is nowhere. It is a contraption created by selfish mischief.
If he had quietened his mind into samadhi, he would be closer to enlightenment.
haha, why don't you quieten your mind then? you would be 'closer' to "ENLIGHTENMENT" what a joke
What did he now actually say. He criticize and don't come with any alternative