nothing wrong with that. a 'private' club is just that 'private' it means u can do whatever the hell u want to do with it and allow whoever the hell u want lol. I don't understand how someon can force their way into your 'private' gathering? I mean if u disagree with it fair enough, but then dont complain that u want to join, just protest that it should not exist full stop.
@@KDC_1899 ohk..I miight sound q bit offensive....but most girls don't look at guys the way..guys look at girls...MOST!! Hv u ever heard news of a girl harassing a guy?..I'm not saying all girls are nice...but MOST of us are!!.....
My bedroom has a “girls encouraged to enter” sign on the door. No one does. Maybe I should use reverse psychology. “Absolutely do not enter, get naked and await me”. I’ll get back to you when the new sign is raised.
I think that if I went to a gentlemen's club where I'm not invited I would get kicked out as well, going in and filming yourself makes your intentions obvious.
I'm a woman myself but sometimes it really makes you wonder what's on some women's minds. Did she expect the men to say: "Well, now that you're here we might as well allow women in from now on". Imagine it would have been a couple of men entering a women only/girls only? Maybe I'm thinking the wrong way but I don't want to be somewhere where I'm not welcome anyway. I mean I can survive brilliantly without being a member of a club.
@@martinamoskale2445 can you though? You can survive, but perhaps not so brilliantly. These are places were powerful people meet to make deals: its exclusivity is meant to keep you from having any such opportunity, so not only women, but anyone excluded suffers. I actually like the idea of clubs, and exclusivity, as it brings together like minded individuals with a set of common rules regarding attire, music, etc, but I can see the issues that arise when power and business is mixed in: it creates a further obstacle for others to get necessary contacts. That said, I don’t know how to fix that, or how one could ever try to: even if you close such clubs or remove exclusivity, people can just meet in their living room and these guys can afford mansions...
Just to say “I’ve tarnished your self-importance”. And good on her. If they were all happy chaps with great views on the world then yeah they can have their club without women. Unfortunately it’s not unlikely they actually sit around expressing rotten views about people who aren’t of the same social and economic standing as them, so they would deserve to be challenged a bit, even if in a “gotcha” sort of way.
@@pectenmaximus231 She tarnished their self-importance by invading their space? Why wouldn't that do just the opposite, since it seems that women wants to join their club that bad? Would you be defending a guy invading a space for women only?
being a female, i probably hold an unpopular view on these "gentleman's" clubs. let them have their clubs. if women want to be involved in a club similar to them, create their own all female clubs. like they've done. i'd rather form my own with others of like mind. than try to infiltrate theirs.
I'm surprised women's-only clubs have just recently been a thing (or are a thing!) Like I understand the historical disadvantages women have and still face, but it's not like socialites and aristocratic Ladies didn't have perks or privileges. Because that's what these places are - they're rich people playgrounds.
Women don't have clubs because usually they will have their gathering at one another's house for a tea or something. Even if there's a dedicated place for women to congregate and talk with each other inevitably they will host in their own domain
There’s a confusion here. Nowadays, virtually all Gentlemen’s Clubs have female members, but women have always been allowed inside most Gentlemen’s Clubs - but only as guests, and only to certain areas. They were not allowed to be members or vote, just as men could not join Ladies social groups. Clubs really existed because upper class gentlemen who were not fully occupied (didn’t work but had private income) needed somewhere in Central London to go, eat, drink, refresh, change (dress codes for day and evening wear were strict) between meetings and activities without having to go all the way home. Ladies did not work or even go out unaccompanied in the city. Nowadays, clubs are far less formal but still used in the same way, they are meeting, dining, drinking and entertaining places for like minded, same-profession or same-politics people. There are many new clubs for new professions, that’s what Soho House was originally, like the Groucho Club, a club for the upper echelons of the TV and film industry, though now Soho House is just a mass-market national/international business admitting virtually anyone who pays.
I think it important for men and women to have "only" clubs where they can commune with each other in spaces that are not likely to have the drama that often crops up when men and women get together. There are plenty of bars, houses of worship, schools, gyms, etc. where men and women can spend time together.
Clubland: The History of London Gentlemen's Clubs 1603pm 29.11.23 sadly, the gentlemen's clubland scene it's nothing akin to the world of bertie wooster. which is why i won't be seeking out membership. as for the lady who had an "emotional outburst" - i am sure she will get over it. and i doubt these chaps would be folk she would socialize with, anyhow. it's a strange world. a great many of you desperate to partake of something you feel exotic or foreign or otherworldly... take out your cheroot and sit back and sip that brandy...
@@elscruffomcscruffy8371 As the video described, the pub is for the peasants, to discuss how much "bank" they make with their overtime, the real gentleman's club, where the Andrew Tate's of the world gather to smoke cigars and discuss cryptocurrencies.
The reason for the decline of these clubs in later years is in large part due to the upsurge of the modern mancave. They are in essence the exact same thing.
@@user-ov2fc5sd1e A mancave (or man cave) is somewhere a man can retreat to, sometimes with friends, and generally just hang out without the risk of being judged as behaving childishly etc. Nowadays it's usually the room of the house where they keep for instance a gaming console/computer, home cinema, wargaming table, shelves of comic books or collectibles, or whatever really. Usually decked out with comfortable furniture. Every man has one, in some form or another.
What? Lol nonsense. These people already had “mancaves” - they had whole mansions: they don’t need the “invention” of dedicating a room in the basement to put their PlayStation in. I mean, wtf are you talking about? How would a mancave compete with this when they could have easily had one (and did) and not just relegated to one room but to whole wings and estates? In fact, if this and a mancave is the same thing, why not just keep these since they are, according to you, just one big mancave. There are special privileges that a club gets from being listed. Ironically and despite the immense wealth of members, in many cases they get tax breaks and even subsidies (well, no surprise there: taxes are for the poor). The truth is that these clubs hosted a distinct class of people: affluent and classy. Some would say aristocratic. These people still exist, but the business world has been inundated with other kinds of “entrepreneurs” of a rather shady background. It’s the same reason taste in attire has changed among the rich: tasteless bling bling is what sells most these days. Even cars like Mercedes have changed from elegant vehicles to “more aggressive” styling. BMW changed their grill to satisfy the Chinese market. It’s a different business world out there, one with celebrity rappers, Russian mafia tycoons, and Chinese nouveau riche. And these go to night clubs, not gentlemen’s clubs.That’s the real reason these clubs declined.
@@kencur9690 Wow, you really missed my point there. The reason I compared the two is that the clubs were always a way to "get away from their wives" so to speak, and that is essentially what a mancave is (somewhere men can act immaturely without worry of being judged). And since it has been made more affordable to put aside even a sizeable chunk of your own home purely for leisure nowadays, the ability to make these kind of spaces have been democratized, therefore these clubs aren't as important or prestigious anymore and have declined in popularity. I won't deny that the kind of favours you're talking about actually happens, because they do, but the way you describe it makes it sound like some clandestine conspiracy when the reality is far less exciting than that. It's natural that if you're in a club with other people you get to know them and possibly grow quite close, but the atmosphere in these kind of places is much closer to boys dorm than it is board room. And yes, you do have a point about the business world changing from when these clubs were at their peak. Of course it has. Some of these clubs have existed for a couple hundred years at least. It's inevitable that things change. I never claimed my point was the only reason they declined, but it was certainly a contributing factor. Although re-reading my comment now (9 months later, I might add) I can see how it can be interpreted as such.
@@Dampfish I didn’t miss any point, you are simply wrong. The decline of these clubs has nothing to do with the emergence of the mancave (and this within the lower classes who weren’t members of these clubs anyway!) How can you even think I missed the point when I pointed out that the two are clearly unrelated. Perhaps you are the one missing my point. These clubs were not meant to “escape the wife”. You have no idea of history it seems. Women were already barred from rooms *within* the house: there was no need for a special club in the city. A gentleman would have a study, a smoking room and even a billiard room where he would spend time with his guests. Wives were forbidden. Once again, the rich and affluent already had their “mancaves”, which is a new concept only for the working classes which, as I already said, were not even members of these clubs. The gentlemen did not even care about women’s opinion, much less being “judged” by them. The democratization of mancaves has absolutely nothing to do with the decline of clubs which were and are entirely undemocratic to begin with. You are assuming a phenomenon affecting mass society to be the cause of another phenomenon affecting a small, privileged portion of it, which is entirely silly.
I have been catching up with your videos lately. You are quickly becoming one of my favorite TH-camrs. Coincidentally, I had no idea that the first minute or so of your first video featured an interview with my all time favorite actor, Orson Welles. I somehow like you even more now!
A most informative and interesting video! I was a member of the Naval and Militarily Club (the In and Out) for many years. I thoroughly enjoyed every aspect of it!
It's worth noting that some of the clubs (the Reform, the Liberal Club, Brooks's) precisely existed for political purposes and to drive through the reforms referred to in the video.
As a feminist I do truly believe in equality but why wouldn’t they just make their own ladies clubs first? Instead of going in ranting/raving about periods, disrupting people who aren’t bothering them & screaming it’s a travesty. Why would you wanna hang around these “gentlemen” anyways? No offense but they’re old, rich & probably stuck up. Let them have their fancy man cave. It’s embarrassing & counterproductive. People who go invade others safe spaces are just trash. It’s not even a gender thing.
I would not be offended if I wasn’t allowed into a women’s club. They have all the rights to have their own club if they want, I won’t go in there and ask for a urinal
The real question is: would you really want to actually go to an All-Womens Club? It would be horrible. Imagine the drone of talking, gossiping and complaining!
I was excited to watch this as I used to work in a Private Member's club in London (Home House). Then at the 6 minute 18 second mark I found that you have footage of two of my old bosses! I should say that Home House is not a Gentleman's club, as it is open to men and women. It's kind of an anti-club in that way, it was (when I worked there) trying to expand its membership and the male/female ratio seemed to be 50:50
Home house is more of a private ‘hotel’ than gentleman’s club. Many of the traditional gentlemen’s clubs in London don’t have bedrooms that are as well appointed as those found in HH, they’re more places to fall into after a hearty dinner rather than a place to stay when spending a weekend in London. Traditionally (as highlighted in the piece) most London clubs were used by men who resided in London or at least had a home in London as well as the country. Their purpose was to offer fine dining, drink and some entertainment (gambling, snooker etc), away from the main residence, the family and the wife. And being private, away from the masses. With the explosion in dining, drinking and partying available to all people, at all levels of quality/price in the 80s and beyond, those traditional reasons for joining a club have become less valid. Now they offer some sense of privacy and calm in a bustling city, away from tourists, the masses (still) and the constant noise of a large metropolis. What’s more, they do so with like minded people and, once you’ve paid your membership fee and subs, often at a price far lower than equivalent eateries and drinking establishments in the same corners of London. Further, you feel welcomed as if you are a regular, the staff and members know your name. And given the political elite always came from the gentry, networking within a club was not its main purpose, as you’d be as likely to meet the same people at dinner parties, country estates, within your regiment etc. However, much like the expansion of access to ‘lifestyle’ for the masses in the 80s, so access by the masses into the political classes has meant that the clubs now offer a place to ‘talk shop’ away from the proletariat, similarly for media, television etc. All you now have to decide is where? If you want a traditional feel and level of service, the established clubs are where you would go. If you’re young, wealthy and a little more hip, then Home House or Soho House would be your spot. Both just as exclusive as their predecessors, just more modern.
"the traveler's club admits only those who've traveled more than 500mi from the headquarters in London" This is when i was reality checked as an American lmfao, 500mi is a day trip! I was expecting the requirement was like, visiting over 15 countries or something
The rules excluded membership to anyone “who has not travelled out of the British islands to a distance of at least five hundred miles from London in a direct line”. In 1819 most people wouldn’t have travelled out of their village, let alone crossed the channel (70miles from London and 20 miles across) and then travelled at least 400 further miles on the Continent. We’d probably be looking at less than 1% of the population and most would have been military, landed gentry (doing the Grand Tour) or seafarers. Different Times. As you say, you can now travel to the opposite side of the globe in 24hrs, something that would have been unachievable to most when the club was founded and for those that did make it would have taken months (if not years in some cases) and required the constitution of a true explorer.
We have "Gentlemen's club" in Canada and USA and they are also known as "female nude dancing clubs" or "strip joints " no old fogies just dancing naked women.
I always liked the idea of going to a club. Finding a nice by a fireplace and read in peace and quiet. Like the diogenes club from the Sherlock holmes stories
A woman fought to get in the Man Shed and when in she goes around to talk and get to know others unknowingly that men goes in does his thing and go home, not a word exchange unless needed briefly. She was duly disappointed.
It is very entertaining that a club fully based on the notions of exclusivity and social discrimination would somehow be held in contempt for not allowing women
Great upload thank you. When I was a naive impressionable young man I worked as a chef at both Brooks Club and the Carlton clubs on St James's street London. I was also a resident in Brooks cub as a staff member, the clubs are closed at the week-ends. I was allowed to take my parents there and have them stay for free in their exclusive members bedrooms over the weekends. Sleeping in four poster beds where world leaders and princess have slept in. I wasn't at all impressed with how the so called gentlemen conducted themselves and how they treated the staff. I would be serving them food from the buffet in the dinning-room, so I had firsthand observations of how they present themselves away from any cameras or public eye.
I suppose there is no legally justifiable reason why I (a man) couldn't join the WI if I chose. For that matter, if we are all equal, why are there separate sporting events and records for men and women?
I’ve always wondered why I can’t jump the queue and get into nightclubs for free. Or couldn’t, I’m a bit past clubbing these days, run out of puff on the dance floor.
@hochelaga: your chain is really interesting, I watched many of your videos and clearly with that kind quality your viewership is bound to take off soon. Just a question : where is the name of the chain from? Any connection to Montreal?
Women always want to intervene in men's personal lives, I don't understand the issue of having clubs exclude some characteristics like gender, a field of work, etc. There are tons of women-only clubs, there's also a lot of only race clubs (African clubs, Jewish clubs, etc). We should be allowed to have a club that excludes, it makes the club more specific this way. It's not bigotry at all.
That club seems very interesting. It also has an option for aspiring members without any established connections to the club to apply even without any nominations. I have also noted that it has an overseas membership plan, which, again, is of great interest to me. What is your experience? Do you enjoy the club and the atmosphere? Are you a member of any other clubs? I will have a look at the associated clubs.
Strangely enough, I cannot access the reciprocal network, given that it is part of the Members Only Area (which is very peculiar - this is usually available information, given that it advertises a club.) I do know of one club which is associated, which is how I knew of the club, but it would be good to know of others: is the list extensive?
@@kencur9690 where can I start with your list of questions! I joined the Club about 20 years ago when I first visited with a friend who was a member. My wife and I love it. We stay there when ever we are in London but the rooms (pre-covid) were very popular and you had to book well in advance. Breakfasts are great (clients asked me to invite them for meetings there), lunch is civilised and good value. Excellent sports facilities, I could go on…. I am not a member of any other London club but in my mind the Lansdowne is better than any others I have visited. The reciprocal club list is extensive, particularly the USA, and I am a member of one, the USRC, in Hong Kong where I live at present. Hope this helps
@@nigelmattravers5913 Thank you for this; I will consider applying. I have reciprocal access to both clubs you mentioned, incidentally (I don’t like divulging information, I am slightly paranoid over the Internet); suffice it to say that mine is in Continental Europe. I will look you up if I do join.
Brits have always been odd. There have been women's only clubs societies schools and university colleges in England since Edwardian times - slightly eccentric men or women only anything but it does give a character. My girlfriend took an MA at a girls college cambridge university, they seemed to get more work done than the men's only or mixed colleges with less distractions.
Sadly, despite it being easier to be a gentleman than at any time in history, one only has to stroll around any city on the planet to see they are much thinner on the ground than ever before... Great video. And I'm glad women finally worked out they can start their own women only clubs. It only took them how long to realize this...?
Long enough to wait for society to allow for it. I’m no feminist, but if you think that opening a *listed* social club with all the perks that come with it is easy, then you yourself need some catching up to do.
men only. seems a little.... weird to me. That being said, I would love a place with a library where you can smoke, drink, sit and do work, socialize. Very appealing
@@Sshooter444 as a woman I somewhat agree lol that being said there's loads of places, fishing trips, strip clubs (women do go in there though lol) football matches, pubs etc
I’ve never understood the fascination of bullying your way into something you were not invited to. If I’m not welcome, then I don’t want to be a part of your group. I’ve never felt a need to be included in everything.
Sure. For some basic general background - wife's father is a member. I'm American, she's not. As for the reason why I said it was interesting - as someone coming from a random small town in a backwards part of the United States, I was not used to the type of tradition and setting, I found the entire atmosphere interesting. As for their policy of men's only - I'll reserve judgement. Lunch was served on the 2nd floor dining room overlooking St James's st. So next time you walk by the white marble facade, look up - that's the dining room. There are other private dining spaces but not reserved for typical weekday lunch. The one dinner I attended was for a birthday of another member and they had reserved a space for a group of 8-10. The club printed out menus w/ the host's name, with a little "celebrating the birthday of..." a 3 course meal, and a few choices of wine the member had requested ahead. The other interesting thing is - most of the food is rather simple, and unfussy and not the decadence one may think. Mostly British w/ French influence as you may expect from a place like this. @@elscruffomcscruffy8371
Wow! Only 244 views? this video deserves so much more. I would suggest to reupload it and shortnen the intro while tweaking the thumbnail for maximum views!
I think it is good that there are spaces for men to come together, but the ardent dedication to the 'no women' allowed culture sure gives of similar vibes to pre-pubescent boys who think 'girls stink' or something. Like go tramping, driving motorbikes or something, don't empty out your pockets to an expensive kiddie playdate.
3:14 Beg par'n sir but that is most certainly not a very long wait. The best things in life are free and if something's a bit decent, it's said to be worth the wait. The waiting list for the M.C.C. has been greater than a quarter of a century at times.
@@kynhammer153 Well there's formal and informal networking. True, the 'clubland' world of old British power in particular has largely vanished, but these genuinely were places where those in power would influence each other.
LOL. "Allow me to improve our capacity to build a society together please" Five seconds later "The one who cannot be touched is the same class of person" What a great idea about expanding societies' process.
Living on the other side of the world, the clubs of London will never see my face. However, it is my understanding that these are private establishments run by and for their members - so if the members say "gentlemen only", surely women should take it on the chin and do their own thing. I have seen many organisations, and been a member of one when the local Parliament passed an affirmative Action act which force many, like the Jaycees, to accept female members. Those women who joined then proceeded to take over and destroy it, and quite proudly announced that that was their intention from the start.
Assuming it was as advertised, a place where polite men can hang out together, that sounds great Iol, Nothing wrong with women having a Similar, And equally exclusive establishment.
You don’t have to be from London. Most clubs (not just London but in all major cities/towns) offer ‘country membership’ which offers reduced rates as you will likely visit far less often and perhaps only at weekends. Further, many clubs have strong networks with other ‘affiliate’ clubs, both within the same country, but in different geographical locations, or abroad, allowing members access to other premises and facilities all over the globe as if they were a club member. Be a member in London but enjoy lunch (or even stay) at a club in Singapore etc etc.
Orson Welles would have been welcome to join Garrick's, a gentlemen's club for theatrical people. I have been a member of two gentlemen's clubs: they enabled me to become 'known' and to listen to interesting stories from other gentlemen who had various careers. I sought no economic or society gains from my memberships.
The reason people have a problem with the traditions of the aristocracy is because they’re not part of it. If you offered a duchy to the biggest objectors they’d be straight in the clubs. Whether you like it not, class distinctions exist and men and women are allowed to be different and should be allowed to avoid each other if they want. Christ, half the aristocracy’s female population are probably counting on these clubs to get their husbands out of the house for a few minutes. If you don’t like the clubs, don’t go there. But don’t ruin it for others because you’re an insecure female desperate for male attention despite your anti-male sentiments. Don’t hear anyone complaining about all female gyms.
Not true. I have a problem with aristocracy on philosophical grounds. I’ll admit that I might succumb to your offer - yes, I might be corrupted, and yes, perhaps I am a hypocrite: I can’t be sure, but I would probably accept in your hypothetical scenario. Even if I did, I would still have a problem with it. The two are not mutually exclusive, and my problem with is born of reason. By the by, the comparison with gyms is silly. A gym allows you to exercise, which really can be done anywhere. These clubs are a bit more serious than “if you don’t like it don’t go”: it is a hub where business is made, and is therefore a place which ensures the status quo is kept, that money and power rests within the already established tight circle and that those class distinctions are kept healthy. In fact, it is the primary reason and raison d’être behind these clubs. It’s a bit more sinister than just having a laugh. And these exclusive practices are indeed questionable, so much so that businesses aren’t allowed, for instance, to create cartels and collude to stifle competition. Well, the same things happen here: they can have exclusive premises to do what is otherwise against competition law. Things are not so simple.
I mean, if they are free to have these exclusive clubs where business is done behind closed doors, why aren’t businesses then free to simply for cartels, following the same logic?
World’s most expensive “no girl’s allowed” fort
nothing wrong with that. a 'private' club is just that 'private' it means u can do whatever the hell u want to do with it and allow whoever the hell u want lol.
I don't understand how someon can force their way into your 'private' gathering? I mean if u disagree with it fair enough, but then dont complain that u want to join, just protest that it should not exist full stop.
@@lorenioooooas I have the impression that you're not answering my comment, but something else that is inside your mind
@@lorenioooooas K :)
@@lorenioooooas Exactly. Let's let all the men into ladies only yoga classes etc
@@KDC_1899 ohk..I miight sound q bit offensive....but most girls don't look at guys the way..guys look at girls...MOST!!
Hv u ever heard news of a girl harassing a guy?..I'm not saying all girls are nice...but MOST of us are!!.....
My bedroom has a “girls encouraged to enter” sign on the door.
No one does.
Maybe I should use reverse psychology.
“Absolutely do not enter, get naked and await me”.
I’ll get back to you when the new sign is raised.
Nothing?
@@TheGuyfromValhalla can you believe it?!
@@Ubersnuber I'm actually pretty shocked it didn't work ngl
@@TheGuyfromValhalla and yet you do, my friend. Yet you do.
@@Ubersnuber XD
Just binged a lot of your videos and just noticed the views. Deserve a lot more for the quality you produce
Absolutely
I think that if I went to a gentlemen's club where I'm not invited I would get kicked out as well, going in and filming yourself makes your intentions obvious.
Ikr
I wonder what that woman was hoping to achieve? She certainly didn't make them change their mind about their no-women-policy.
Obviously it's because every other form of inequity and discrimination has been eliminated.
I'm a woman myself but sometimes it really makes you wonder what's on some women's minds. Did she expect the men to say: "Well, now that you're here we might as well allow women in from now on". Imagine it would have been a couple of men entering a women only/girls only? Maybe I'm thinking the wrong way but I don't want to be somewhere where I'm not welcome anyway. I mean I can survive brilliantly without being a member of a club.
@@martinamoskale2445 can you though? You can survive, but perhaps not so brilliantly. These are places were powerful people meet to make deals: its exclusivity is meant to keep you from having any such opportunity, so not only women, but anyone excluded suffers. I actually like the idea of clubs, and exclusivity, as it brings together like minded individuals with a set of common rules regarding attire, music, etc, but I can see the issues that arise when power and business is mixed in: it creates a further obstacle for others to get necessary contacts. That said, I don’t know how to fix that, or how one could ever try to: even if you close such clubs or remove exclusivity, people can just meet in their living room and these guys can afford mansions...
Just to say “I’ve tarnished your self-importance”. And good on her. If they were all happy chaps with great views on the world then yeah they can have their club without women. Unfortunately it’s not unlikely they actually sit around expressing rotten views about people who aren’t of the same social and economic standing as them, so they would deserve to be challenged a bit, even if in a “gotcha” sort of way.
@@pectenmaximus231 She tarnished their self-importance by invading their space? Why wouldn't that do just the opposite, since it seems that women wants to join their club that bad?
Would you be defending a guy invading a space for women only?
I worked in a gentlemens club in Mayfair for 6 years. Lots of powerful people coming together
Which one 🙂?
To discuss theories of justice and how to distribute wealth fairly and boost the proletariat, surely!
@@kencur9690 cringe
Coming in what sense?
Eyes Wide Shut, kinda stuff
being a female, i probably hold an unpopular view on these "gentleman's" clubs. let them have their clubs. if women want to be involved in a club similar to them, create their own all female clubs. like they've done. i'd rather form my own with others of like mind. than try to infiltrate theirs.
Fucking Queen! Thanks for not being those mouthbreathing, walking queefs of third wave feminists!
I'm surprised women's-only clubs have just recently been a thing (or are a thing!)
Like I understand the historical disadvantages women have and still face, but it's not like socialites and aristocratic Ladies didn't have perks or privileges. Because that's what these places are - they're rich people playgrounds.
Agreed! My goodness its a private club, it's not limiting any of our basic human rights.
Exactly. These are private clubs and those should set their own admission standards.
Women don't have clubs because usually they will have their gathering at one another's house for a tea or something. Even if there's a dedicated place for women to congregate and talk with each other inevitably they will host in their own domain
There’s a confusion here. Nowadays, virtually all Gentlemen’s Clubs have female members, but women have always been allowed inside most Gentlemen’s Clubs - but only as guests, and only to certain areas. They were not allowed to be members or vote, just as men could not join Ladies social groups. Clubs really existed because upper class gentlemen who were not fully occupied (didn’t work but had private income) needed somewhere in Central London to go, eat, drink, refresh, change (dress codes for day and evening wear were strict) between meetings and activities without having to go all the way home. Ladies did not work or even go out unaccompanied in the city. Nowadays, clubs are far less formal but still used in the same way, they are meeting, dining, drinking and entertaining places for like minded, same-profession or same-politics people. There are many new clubs for new professions, that’s what Soho House was originally, like the Groucho Club, a club for the upper echelons of the TV and film industry, though now Soho House is just a mass-market national/international business admitting virtually anyone who pays.
Is this still the case about modern gentlemen clubs being only male membered or have they been forced to be more "inclusive"
Thanks for your contribution.
Shame on Soho House.
I think it important for men and women to have "only" clubs where they can commune with each other in spaces that are not likely to have the drama that often crops up when men and women get together. There are plenty of bars, houses of worship, schools, gyms, etc. where men and women can spend time together.
The fact is, women ruin everything!
Clubland: The History of London Gentlemen's Clubs 1603pm 29.11.23 sadly, the gentlemen's clubland scene it's nothing akin to the world of bertie wooster. which is why i won't be seeking out membership. as for the lady who had an "emotional outburst" - i am sure she will get over it. and i doubt these chaps would be folk she would socialize with, anyhow. it's a strange world. a great many of you desperate to partake of something you feel exotic or foreign or otherworldly... take out your cheroot and sit back and sip that brandy...
Look at how she behaved inside there. Totally unasked for.
1st class Karen
Did she somehow think that would make them change their minds?
I'd love to have a club like this to stop by once or twice a week.
It's called the pub 😂😂
Juggs, Crazy Horse, Rosie Palms, McDirty’s. I’m sure there’s one near you. Avoid the champagne room, no matter what the employee tells ya.
@@elscruffomcscruffy8371 As the video described, the pub is for the peasants, to discuss how much "bank" they make with their overtime, the real gentleman's club, where the Andrew Tate's of the world gather to smoke cigars and discuss cryptocurrencies.
The reason for the decline of these clubs in later years is in large part due to the upsurge of the modern mancave. They are in essence the exact same thing.
What's a modern mancave?
@@user-ov2fc5sd1e A mancave (or man cave) is somewhere a man can retreat to, sometimes with friends, and generally just hang out without the risk of being judged as behaving childishly etc. Nowadays it's usually the room of the house where they keep for instance a gaming console/computer, home cinema, wargaming table, shelves of comic books or collectibles, or whatever really. Usually decked out with comfortable furniture.
Every man has one, in some form or another.
What? Lol nonsense. These people already had “mancaves” - they had whole mansions: they don’t need the “invention” of dedicating a room in the basement to put their PlayStation in. I mean, wtf are you talking about? How would a mancave compete with this when they could have easily had one (and did) and not just relegated to one room but to whole wings and estates? In fact, if this and a mancave is the same thing, why not just keep these since they are, according to you, just one big mancave.
There are special privileges that a club gets from being listed. Ironically and despite the immense wealth of members, in many cases they get tax breaks and even subsidies (well, no surprise there: taxes are for the poor).
The truth is that these clubs hosted a distinct class of people: affluent and classy. Some would say aristocratic. These people still exist, but the business world has been inundated with other kinds of “entrepreneurs” of a rather shady background. It’s the same reason taste in attire has changed among the rich: tasteless bling bling is what sells most these days. Even cars like Mercedes have changed from elegant vehicles to “more aggressive” styling. BMW changed their grill to satisfy the Chinese market.
It’s a different business world out there, one with celebrity rappers, Russian mafia tycoons, and Chinese nouveau riche. And these go to night clubs, not gentlemen’s clubs.That’s the real reason these clubs declined.
@@kencur9690 Wow, you really missed my point there.
The reason I compared the two is that the clubs were always a way to "get away from their wives" so to speak, and that is essentially what a mancave is (somewhere men can act immaturely without worry of being judged). And since it has been made more affordable to put aside even a sizeable chunk of your own home purely for leisure nowadays, the ability to make these kind of spaces have been democratized, therefore these clubs aren't as important or prestigious anymore and have declined in popularity.
I won't deny that the kind of favours you're talking about actually happens, because they do, but the way you describe it makes it sound like some clandestine conspiracy when the reality is far less exciting than that.
It's natural that if you're in a club with other people you get to know them and possibly grow quite close, but the atmosphere in these kind of places is much closer to boys dorm than it is board room.
And yes, you do have a point about the business world changing from when these clubs were at their peak. Of course it has. Some of these clubs have existed for a couple hundred years at least. It's inevitable that things change. I never claimed my point was the only reason they declined, but it was certainly a contributing factor.
Although re-reading my comment now (9 months later, I might add) I can see how it can be interpreted as such.
@@Dampfish I didn’t miss any point, you are simply wrong. The decline of these clubs has nothing to do with the emergence of the mancave (and this within the lower classes who weren’t members of these clubs anyway!) How can you even think I missed the point when I pointed out that the two are clearly unrelated. Perhaps you are the one missing my point.
These clubs were not meant to “escape the wife”. You have no idea of history it seems. Women were already barred from rooms *within* the house: there was no need for a special club in the city. A gentleman would have a study, a smoking room and even a billiard room where he would spend time with his guests. Wives were forbidden. Once again, the rich and affluent already had their “mancaves”, which is a new concept only for the working classes which, as I already said, were not even members of these clubs.
The gentlemen did not even care about women’s opinion, much less being “judged” by them. The democratization of mancaves has absolutely nothing to do with the decline of clubs which were and are entirely undemocratic to begin with. You are assuming a phenomenon affecting mass society to be the cause of another phenomenon affecting a small, privileged portion of it, which is entirely silly.
I have been catching up with your videos lately. You are quickly becoming one of my favorite TH-camrs.
Coincidentally, I had no idea that the first minute or so of your first video featured an interview with my all time favorite actor, Orson Welles. I somehow like you even more now!
A most informative and interesting video! I was a member of the Naval and Militarily Club (the In and Out) for many years. I thoroughly enjoyed every aspect of it!
It's worth noting that some of the clubs (the Reform, the Liberal Club, Brooks's) precisely existed for political purposes and to drive through the reforms referred to in the video.
This video has only 90 views! Criminally underrated.
You would be happy to know it is now 23,550 views & 1.2k likes
And after a year with 49k views and 2.1k likes, for a content with this quality that's still overwhelmingly low
@@waynemcdonald4448 I'm very happy for this channel. Now I can say that I was a subscriber before it was cool.
Only gentlemen are permitted to view this video.
6:54 With behaviour like this, no wonder women aren’t allowed in gentlemen’s clubs.
I'm a woman and I agree haha
I know! I'm so ashamed for them.. I don't see the problem with letting them have their own space. We have a million things where its just women.
As a feminist I do truly believe in equality but why wouldn’t they just make their own ladies clubs first? Instead of going in ranting/raving about periods, disrupting people who aren’t bothering them & screaming it’s a travesty. Why would you wanna hang around these “gentlemen” anyways? No offense but they’re old, rich & probably stuck up. Let them have their fancy man cave.
It’s embarrassing & counterproductive. People who go invade others safe spaces are just trash. It’s not even a gender thing.
Exactly! That was cringeworthy
i'll make a movie reference: "a gentleman can come from anywhere, but not everyone can be a gentleman"
Indeed
Mmmmm yes. You are quite the intellectual.🧐
I would not be offended if I wasn’t allowed into a women’s club. They have all the rights to have their own club if they want, I won’t go in there and ask for a urinal
The real question is: would you really want to actually go to an All-Womens Club? It would be horrible. Imagine the drone of talking, gossiping and complaining!
I was excited to watch this as I used to work in a Private Member's club in London (Home House). Then at the 6 minute 18 second mark I found that you have footage of two of my old bosses! I should say that Home House is not a Gentleman's club, as it is open to men and women. It's kind of an anti-club in that way, it was (when I worked there) trying to expand its membership and the male/female ratio seemed to be 50:50
Home house is more of a private ‘hotel’ than gentleman’s club. Many of the traditional gentlemen’s clubs in London don’t have bedrooms that are as well appointed as those found in HH, they’re more places to fall into after a hearty dinner rather than a place to stay when spending a weekend in London.
Traditionally (as highlighted in the piece) most London clubs were used by men who resided in London or at least had a home in London as well as the country. Their purpose was to offer fine dining, drink and some entertainment (gambling, snooker etc), away from the main residence, the family and the wife. And being private, away from the masses.
With the explosion in dining, drinking and partying available to all people, at all levels of quality/price in the 80s and beyond, those traditional reasons for joining a club have become less valid. Now they offer some sense of privacy and calm in a bustling city, away from tourists, the masses (still) and the constant noise of a large metropolis. What’s more, they do so with like minded people and, once you’ve paid your membership fee and subs, often at a price far lower than equivalent eateries and drinking establishments in the same corners of London. Further, you feel welcomed as if you are a regular, the staff and members know your name.
And given the political elite always came from the gentry, networking within a club was not its main purpose, as you’d be as likely to meet the same people at dinner parties, country estates, within your regiment etc. However, much like the expansion of access to ‘lifestyle’ for the masses in the 80s, so access by the masses into the political classes has meant that the clubs now offer a place to ‘talk shop’ away from the proletariat, similarly for media, television etc.
All you now have to decide is where? If you want a traditional feel and level of service, the established clubs are where you would go. If you’re young, wealthy and a little more hip, then Home House or Soho House would be your spot. Both just as exclusive as their predecessors, just more modern.
The most offensive change to clubs in recent years is the removal of smoking rooms. If I want to enjoy a cigar, I need to smoke on the street.
Can't you stick your head out the window?
I don’t understand why they don’t install a “tasting room” like many other cigar shops and lounges in london have done.
No one should have to put up with your carcinogenic behaviour - MATE !
Go to morroco or France where they’re not backwards and allow smoking in clubs & restraunts
"You may be subject to an emotional outburst", says the lass who is having an emotional outburst.
If the histrionic were capable of self reflection they wouldn't be histrionic in the first place.
Uhm she was being sarcastic: that’s exactly what she meant. I.e. the gentlemen present may be subject to [her] emotional outbursts.
And now we have the Woke Movement who complain about everything
Like the furniture and jackets, would like to smoke a cigar and drink brandy in that environment.
Saying things like"I say!! " or "Certainly not!!"
Wear a top hat and grow ridiculous whiskers. Oh yes, I already do that.
Don't forget the monocle and the walking stick 😂
"the traveler's club admits only those who've traveled more than 500mi from the headquarters in London"
This is when i was reality checked as an American lmfao, 500mi is a day trip! I was expecting the requirement was like, visiting over 15 countries or something
The rules excluded membership to anyone “who has not travelled out of the British islands to a distance of at least five hundred miles from London in a direct line”. In 1819 most people wouldn’t have travelled out of their village, let alone crossed the channel (70miles from London and 20 miles across) and then travelled at least 400 further miles on the Continent. We’d probably be looking at less than 1% of the population and most would have been military, landed gentry (doing the Grand Tour) or seafarers. Different Times. As you say, you can now travel to the opposite side of the globe in 24hrs, something that would have been unachievable to most when the club was founded and for those that did make it would have taken months (if not years in some cases) and required the constitution of a true explorer.
Oh I thought gentlemen clubs were strip clubs my bad
I've heard way worse than that.... 😶
I bet they do worse.
I thought it was a club for gentle men
I would seriously love to see the book collection in these clubs!
I thought this, too. And the collection of photos, scotches, memorabilia too!
Just found your channel and, I'm glad I found it. Love what you do keep up the good work also just subbed
We have "Gentlemen's club" in Canada and USA and they are also known as "female nude dancing clubs" or "strip joints " no old fogies just dancing naked women.
Breaks in just to bleed on the furniture
😆😆😆😆
Everything that comes out of their mouths inevitably leads to their vagina
The maturity says it all
This is the equivalent of " No girls allowed" sign on my bedroom door
I always liked the idea of going to a club. Finding a nice by a fireplace and read in peace and quiet. Like the diogenes club from the Sherlock holmes stories
really great video, i was a chef at the brooks and the naval cub, you could feel the history and i met some amazing people.
I recommend the Netflix series, The Family. It is about "christian american gentleman's clubs", ie the cult that influences global affairs.
Am going to check this out, thanks! : ]
I like how the woman proved exactly why they aren’t allowed in those establishments.
My thoughts exactly! It was a mistake to give them the vote lol.
Well made. 👍
The og
A woman fought to get in the Man Shed and when in she goes around to talk and get to know others unknowingly that men goes in does his thing and go home, not a word exchange unless needed briefly. She was duly disappointed.
Have you considered doing an episode on working men’s clubs?
New, original and delightful content ... hungry for more
Great video! I recognized Jeremy Bennett stright away, he was the best sherlock imo
Indeed the best Sherlock Holmes 😔😔
Jeremy Brett
Classy touch to put a picture of Home House when you said '...to have a home away from home'.
It is very entertaining that a club fully based on the notions of exclusivity and social discrimination would somehow be held in contempt for not allowing women
The name Whiteys says it all 😂😂
is that Borat?
I support the English gentleman's clubs. If women want a club, let them create their own. I have absolutely no problem with that.🥃👏🎉🇬🇧
I’m most intrigued by the Diogenes Club where no one talks to anyone. Mycroft Holmes is a member.
Great upload thank you.
When I was a naive impressionable young man I worked as a chef at both Brooks Club and the Carlton clubs on St James's street London.
I was also a resident in Brooks cub as a staff member, the clubs are closed at the week-ends. I was allowed to take my parents there and have them stay for free in their exclusive members bedrooms over the weekends. Sleeping in four poster beds where world leaders and princess have slept in.
I wasn't at all impressed with how the so called gentlemen conducted themselves and how they treated the staff. I would be serving them food from the buffet in the dinning-room, so I had firsthand observations of how they present themselves away from any cameras or public eye.
I suppose there is no legally justifiable reason why I (a man) couldn't join the WI if I chose. For that matter, if we are all equal, why are there separate sporting events and records for men and women?
I’ve always wondered why I can’t jump the queue and get into nightclubs for free. Or couldn’t, I’m a bit past clubbing these days, run out of puff on the dance floor.
@@leangrypoulet7523 Nightclubs aren't really for chickens... or cats, come to that.
@hochelaga: your chain is really interesting, I watched many of your videos and clearly with that kind quality your viewership is bound to take off soon.
Just a question : where is the name of the chain from? Any connection to Montreal?
Women always want to intervene in men's personal lives, I don't understand the issue of having clubs exclude some characteristics like gender, a field of work, etc. There are tons of women-only clubs, there's also a lot of only race clubs (African clubs, Jewish clubs, etc). We should be allowed to have a club that excludes, it makes the club more specific this way. It's not bigotry at all.
Looks like you're totally missing the point of why the clubs you mention exist in the first place
@@valalava1 So they have safe spaces from white males? Why can't males have safe spaces from the others?
Imagine not being able to join a club because you were born without a dick.
@@beacreates4370 Unlucky, you don't qualify. Simple as that.
@@beacreates4370 say that to the children dying in africa who would kill to have your internet access
I am a member of the Lansdowne Club in Mayfair which has always been open to both gentlemen and ladies since it was opened in the 1930s
That club seems very interesting. It also has an option for aspiring members without any established connections to the club to apply even without any nominations. I have also noted that it has an overseas membership plan, which, again, is of great interest to me.
What is your experience? Do you enjoy the club and the atmosphere? Are you a member of any other clubs? I will have a look at the associated clubs.
Strangely enough, I cannot access the reciprocal network, given that it is part of the Members Only Area (which is very peculiar - this is usually available information, given that it advertises a club.) I do know of one club which is associated, which is how I knew of the club, but it would be good to know of others: is the list extensive?
@@kencur9690 where can I start with your list of questions! I joined the Club about 20 years ago when I first visited with a friend who was a member. My wife and I love it. We stay there when ever we are in London but the rooms (pre-covid) were very popular and you had to book well in advance. Breakfasts are great (clients asked me to invite them for meetings there), lunch is civilised and good value. Excellent sports facilities, I could go on….
I am not a member of any other London club but in my mind the Lansdowne is better than any others I have visited.
The reciprocal club list is extensive, particularly the USA, and I am a member of one, the USRC, in Hong Kong where I live at present.
Hope this helps
@@nigelmattravers5913 Thank you for this; I will consider applying. I have reciprocal access to both clubs you mentioned, incidentally (I don’t like divulging information, I am slightly paranoid over the Internet); suffice it to say that mine is in Continental Europe. I will look you up if I do join.
Good for you lol
As someone who lives in Washington state, I hate when people call D.C just "washington."
It's confusing.
If DC gets statehood the are going to be some cranky 'Toners
LoL same
I think it comes down to people not caring about Washington state because it isn’t the Capitol
Brits have always been odd. There have been women's only clubs societies schools and university colleges in England since Edwardian times - slightly eccentric men or women only anything but it does give a character. My girlfriend took an MA at a girls college cambridge university, they seemed to get more work done than the men's only or mixed colleges with less distractions.
"I'd never want to join a club that would have me as a member" - Groucho Marx
Sadly, despite it being easier to be a gentleman than at any time in history, one only has to stroll around any city on the planet to see they are much thinner on the ground than ever before...
Great video. And I'm glad women finally worked out they can start their own women only clubs. It only took them how long to realize this...?
Long enough to wait for society to allow for it. I’m no feminist, but if you think that opening a *listed* social club with all the perks that come with it is easy, then you yourself need some catching up to do.
@@kencur9690 agreed. what a dumb comment lmao
men only. seems a little.... weird to me.
That being said, I would love a place with a library where you can smoke, drink, sit and do work, socialize. Very appealing
Men need a place without all the women nagging them
@@Sshooter444 as a woman I somewhat agree lol that being said there's loads of places, fishing trips, strip clubs (women do go in there though lol) football matches, pubs etc
I’ve never understood the fascination of bullying your way into something you were not invited to. If I’m not welcome, then I don’t want to be a part of your group. I’ve never felt a need to be included in everything.
Someone needs to give her a tour of the abandoned cesspit from the 1700s, that used to service the club's lavatory.
Your videos are top notch 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
I'm so glad you included the family guy clip 😂 as soon as I started watching this it was the first thing that came to mind
Man I would love to belong to a club like that. Nice leather chairs, be left alone to read by the fire
What a fantastic video, thank you! I hope all boys (of all ages) watch this entertaining video, and learn the truth about gentlemen.
Nice blackadder reference man
Had dinner and lunch a few times in White’s.. as a guest of a member. Quite an interesting experience.
What was interesting about it? Do share
Sure. For some basic general background - wife's father is a member. I'm American, she's not.
As for the reason why I said it was interesting - as someone coming from a random small town in a backwards part of the United States, I was not used to the type of tradition and setting, I found the entire atmosphere interesting. As for their policy of men's only - I'll reserve judgement.
Lunch was served on the 2nd floor dining room overlooking St James's st. So next time you walk by the white marble facade, look up - that's the dining room. There are other private dining spaces but not reserved for typical weekday lunch.
The one dinner I attended was for a birthday of another member and they had reserved a space for a group of 8-10. The club printed out menus w/ the host's name, with a little "celebrating the birthday of..." a 3 course meal, and a few choices of wine the member had requested ahead. The other interesting thing is - most of the food is rather simple, and unfussy and not the decadence one may think. Mostly British w/ French influence as you may expect from a place like this.
@@elscruffomcscruffy8371
Orsin Welles SHOULD look kind of absurd there, but he looks cool AF
7:42 if you embrace social change you eventually get people wearing beany hats indoors.
Borat what a legend
"Nowadays anyone can be a gentleman, and you certainly don't need to belong to a club."
But to belong to a club you certainly need to be a gentleman.
In my country, gentleman's club is full of women, they work there.
We need to bring these back all over the country ... guys just need a space to be dudes. Who wouldn't want that?
Gay bars exist
@@gabedom_ Uhh ok? Whats that got to do with it?
@@gabedom_ You would know, wouldn't you?
That was interesting. Thanks for uploading.
Lol, the entitled woman goes.. ‘you can’t touch me..,’ - you’re on private property love 😅
They need to enter, how can they ruin it if they cant get in?
Was that orson wells?
Yes.
Such a great idea
These are private insgitutions and thus have all legal rights to do as they please with their property provided there are no third party effects
In under 2 mins I had to watch 3 unstoppable ads, make it make sense
Wow! Only 244 views? this video deserves so much more. I would suggest to reupload it and shortnen the intro while tweaking the thumbnail for maximum views!
Thank you for the advice Crusoe. Might just do that :)
Very interesting.
Wasn't it Oscar Wilde who said he wouldn't want to join a club that would accept him as a member?
If anybody here has ever seen the 1989 film Society, well that's what the "great and good" really get up to in these clubs.
In most clubs it is not acceptable to talk shop.
I think it is good that there are spaces for men to come together, but the ardent dedication to the 'no women' allowed culture sure gives of similar vibes to pre-pubescent boys who think 'girls stink' or something.
Like go tramping, driving motorbikes or something, don't empty out your pockets to an expensive kiddie playdate.
3:14 Beg par'n sir but that is most certainly not a very long wait.
The best things in life are free and if something's a bit decent, it's said to be worth the wait.
The waiting list for the M.C.C. has been greater than a quarter of a century at times.
We need more Private Gentleman's Clubs in America.
I think America has bigger issues like Healthcare, Education, Gun Control, Politics and Cost of Living
Very interesting video, thank you
I love the aesthetic you put in your videos
4:30 my man asking the real questions
Why shouldn’t there be places like this ? If someone wants to have a club like this it’s their right .
This was very educational.
What if men demand entry into women clubs
There's always a double standard
That’s a false equivalence. How many women’s clubs have been bastions of power and influence remotely comparable to Whites alone?
@@DuskAndHerEmbrace13 How is it? They are other more effective ways to network apart from those clubs.
@@kynhammer153 Well there's formal and informal networking. True, the 'clubland' world of old British power in particular has largely vanished, but these genuinely were places where those in power would influence each other.
@Ajit Adonis Manilal What are you talking about? That comment doesn’t make sense.
LOL. "Allow me to improve our capacity to build a society together please"
Five seconds later "The one who cannot be touched is the same class of person"
What a great idea about expanding societies' process.
Living on the other side of the world, the clubs of London will never see my face. However, it is my understanding that these are private establishments run by and for their members - so if the members say "gentlemen only", surely women should take it on the chin and do their own thing. I have seen many organisations, and been a member of one when the local Parliament passed an affirmative Action act which force many, like the Jaycees, to accept female members. Those women who joined then proceeded to take over and destroy it, and quite proudly announced that that was their intention from the start.
Im not from London but I would love to be a member of one of the clubs
Assuming it was as advertised, a place where polite men can hang out together, that sounds great Iol, Nothing wrong with women having a Similar, And equally exclusive establishment.
You don’t have to be from London. Most clubs (not just London but in all major cities/towns) offer ‘country membership’ which offers reduced rates as you will likely visit far less often and perhaps only at weekends. Further, many clubs have strong networks with other ‘affiliate’ clubs, both within the same country, but in different geographical locations, or abroad, allowing members access to other premises and facilities all over the globe as if they were a club member. Be a member in London but enjoy lunch (or even stay) at a club in Singapore etc etc.
"Clubland" means something very different to my generation, especially in the context of the UK. 😂
*High Tea at Anne Finch's house* ... I don't make this up, but the movie about her life shall open our eyes ... you can't have it all ...
Orson Welles would have been welcome to join Garrick's, a gentlemen's club for theatrical people. I have been a member of two gentlemen's clubs: they enabled me to become 'known' and to listen to interesting stories from other gentlemen who had various careers. I sought no economic or society gains from my memberships.
The reason people have a problem with the traditions of the aristocracy is because they’re not part of it. If you offered a duchy to the biggest objectors they’d be straight in the clubs. Whether you like it not, class distinctions exist and men and women are allowed to be different and should be allowed to avoid each other if they want. Christ, half the aristocracy’s female population are probably counting on these clubs to get their husbands out of the house for a few minutes. If you don’t like the clubs, don’t go there. But don’t ruin it for others because you’re an insecure female desperate for male attention despite your anti-male sentiments. Don’t hear anyone complaining about all female gyms.
Not true. I have a problem with aristocracy on philosophical grounds. I’ll admit that I might succumb to your offer - yes, I might be corrupted, and yes, perhaps I am a hypocrite: I can’t be sure, but I would probably accept in your hypothetical scenario. Even if I did, I would still have a problem with it. The two are not mutually exclusive, and my problem with is born of reason.
By the by, the comparison with gyms is silly. A gym allows you to exercise, which really can be done anywhere. These clubs are a bit more serious than “if you don’t like it don’t go”: it is a hub where business is made, and is therefore a place which ensures the status quo is kept, that money and power rests within the already established tight circle and that those class distinctions are kept healthy. In fact, it is the primary reason and raison d’être behind these clubs. It’s a bit more sinister than just having a laugh. And these exclusive practices are indeed questionable, so much so that businesses aren’t allowed, for instance, to create cartels and collude to stifle competition. Well, the same things happen here: they can have exclusive premises to do what is otherwise against competition law.
Things are not so simple.
I mean, if they are free to have these exclusive clubs where business is done behind closed doors, why aren’t businesses then free to simply for cartels, following the same logic?
Did Orson Welles know nothing of the Garrick Club, named after the greatest actor his age and specifically open to actors and other creatives?
Nice! Thanks a lot!
I think Savannah, GA would be a good site for a women's club.
So that's in England. What must this phenomenon look like in other countries? The gentlemen's clubs of Japan? Russia? Saudi Arabia?