WHAT IS AN ADVENTIST? | ft. Ty Gibson
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- What does it mean to be an Adventist? Who decides who's in and who's out? Is there room at the table of Adventism to disagree while pursuing the same mission? These are the answers we search for in this series from Seeking What They Sought. In episode 9, we sit down for a conversation with Ty Gibson, speaker/director for Light Bearers and pastor of Storyline Adventist Church.
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Have a question you want us to discuss? Comment? Maybe you disagree with something we said? Either way, we'd love to hear from you! Shoot us an email at: seekingwhattheysought@gmail.com
People like Ty and David Asscherrick give me some hope for Adventism. If not for this reshaping and reframing of perspective that they have brought I would have probably left years ago. This is the only form of Adventism that isn’t legalistic and toxic. I appreciate Ty’s hopefulness and his vision for the church. With the massive internet assault being waged against the SDA church now, exposing all of its warts; I believe it is only this vision that Ty has that can save our church from experiencing a MASS exodus in the coming years.
Ty is the best!
Yes!
Yes, the message that "God is Love" is the foundation for all other SDA doctrines.
After going to church after church & I’d give up for a while, then I finally found one.
I sat in the back & snuck in late & left early before the sermon was done for 2-3 weeks. I was so happy with the sermons, the beautiful Church & didn’t want to meet anyone because I’ll be judged again & not welcome.
But one lady was waiting on me to leave & caught up to me & immediately started introducing folks to me.
I couldn’t be happier today & found with this Church & it’s schooling on Jesus Christ, taught me that an intimate relationship is more pleasing, full of love, joy, protection, hope & salvation & helping others whom can’t help themselves, is all more than anything on earth.
That Church is an SDA Church & it was 2019 & I was 66yrs old.
There is no Church like SDA, the love & hope of you folks is what brings others in.
May we all share our miracles & relationship with God with everyone we can.
Blessings to all 💖
Amen 🙏🏻
They come to you (as an angel of Light). did they not. the devil knows how to get to people real easily and he's just got you.. why do they say that (Jesus Christ is the devil in the investigative judgment )!!!and that's a confession of faith that you make when you become a member, you have no clue of what you're doing.. Jesus warns you about this in Matthew 24! They took the 2,300 days out of Daniel 8 to create the cult by misinterpreting the prophecy and created a false Jesus the Jesus they speak of is not that Jesus of Hebrews 7 that does nothing at the altar..( He said it's finished at the cross!)
Your story sounds familiar to mine and I am 62 lol. Blessings to you 🙋♀️🙏🦘🐨
There's also a gay Church in the neighborhood that I live in they do the exact same thing
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
Bruh the clarity of this discussion and just how sensical it is, man, two hours feels like 2 minutes. Like a log just got lifted up from my chest, now i can breath adventism seems more attractive than ever. Lord please help your church get more of this perspective channeled thru its veins...
So glad it was encouraging!
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
My parents became Seventh-Day Adventists around 1964 and my dad became an SDA pastor in 1967, ordained about 1970. They raised us in the way Ty Gibson believes makes logical-Biblical sense. I consider it a gift of the Spirit called spiritual discernment. I raised my children in this same way and my SDA husband grew to understand this. My children are now grown and my daughter's children were raised this way and my two sons who don't have children still hold to this. My dad was criticized for many of the things he preached and shared in his evangelistic meetings and after being an SDA pastor for decades, the GC took away his ministerial license after he started a radio program. By then he was around 60 years old. I have so many stories I could tell. The way my parents raised me has kept me strong in my Adventist faith. If this had been the way the church embraced Jesus and the "fundamental beliefs", we would have a stronger, more unified, love filled, missionary-minded church body. If we raised our families and ministered to others with the kind of compassionate love Jesus demonstrated on Earth which was the same kind of love that is the Heavenly Kingdom from the very beginning, our church would be living the TRUE mission.
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibbons is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
You are misguided! 1Corinthians 8:6 Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Matthew 38:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
This is exactly what Adventists need! Thank you Ty and friends
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
Loved it! Have never heard anything like this for ministry! God is so GOOD! Thank you all!
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
Sharing this with lots of my Adventist friends 😎 Here is a story about why I appreciate this podcast!
I didn't grow up Adventist and started to attend the church by myself at the age of 15. I am 30 years old, and I have experienced so many roller coasters throughout Adventism.
In my early years I was taught Last Generation theology LGT, and had a legalistic perspective( as many of us) about religion. I would beg on my knees for God to save me because I couldn't be perfect. My room was always dark, full of low sobs, and a broken hearted being trying to figure out how to save myself from God's wrath at probation.
With this false paradigm, I slowly started to evade God through various escapism routes and negative coping mechanisms. I told a preacher one time that I wanted to kill myself so God can suffer like I am. The torment of not being perfect, and believing I had the "truth" developed a lonely void in my heart.
One moment of light came when I read the book of Romans. I recognized and understood that we are not saved by our works or the LAW. However, some Adventists snatch that flame quickly to only extinguish my "new theology".
In 2016, I had enough.
I heard about a program called ARISE and told God this is my last resort.
It's either he saves me or else I leave the faith. I was ready to become an atheist.
Praise be to God alone! Ty Gibson, David Assherick, and James Rafferty helped me understand the GOSPEL and confirm my convictions about the book of Romans.
Not only that, I experienced a new understanding of God and Adventism. I came out of Babylon. GOD delivered me from Egypt to show me his GLORY!
Now to relate this back to the podcast, this reminded me about my experience with Arise.
Since ARISE, I have never felt those same negative feelings toward God. However, I did feel a way about the church. Yet, God is good. He is showing me again how the Adventist church is not the remnant church but rather have the remnant message!
Thank you for your podcast!
Much love from Ontario, CA!
Ameeennnn
Missed this earlier but thanks so much for sharing your experience, Charles! So glad we could be a part of your journey, it mirrors some of ours! 💛
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
@@seekingwhattheysought8247 yeah, it's a dilemma that many Adventists have to face sooner or later.
I recently came to Adventism after 20 years in the Protestant wilderness of churches. EGW’s writings are an inspiration especially her Visions on Sunday law that is coming. It was the messages of the 3 angels and the fact that those who claim to know God will keep his commandments that hooked me. I claim to know God and I keep His commandments because I have the truth of His word and His Prophet.
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
Amen! You have inspired me Ty. I am proud to be an Adventist (humbly).
So how does (Jesus become the devil in the investigative judgment)?? the second Goat of Leviticus 16:10( for the atonement before the Lord)??? you're so (humble just like your false prophet)! she came to you [as a lesser light] rather than the greater light! And now you're the enlightened one which is how the devil describes himself!
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
I love this episode and watched because of Ty, but I do want to watch the rest of this series! I love what Ty said about the Sabbath! I also love when he said for us to, "reintroduce Adventism to Adventists in the light of the gospel." So true! I was born into an Irish-Italian Catholic family, but we started attending an SDA church when my sister and I were 6 and we attended SDA schools from third grade through college and grad school. I haven't learned nearly as much as I have in the past few years studying the Bible myself and listening to David and Ty. We are called to be light bearers in this dark world and I am so excited to see these shifts and God bringing to light all of these things. 🙌
Brothers, even though our numbers are going down, God has '7 000' out there who have not bowed the knee to baal. Our job is to preach the truth and warn people of the coming doom.
Preach the truth? What? You mean the foundational truth of the Adventist demonic cult that Christians are on probation and being investigated to determine if they are worthy of heaven? You mean that truth? Do you want to embarrass yourself and attempt to defend the foundational doctrine of Adventism? It’s not my opinion that the investigation of redeemed saints is the foundational doctrine of demons of the mongrel dog Adventist cult- it’s proclaimed over and over in Adventist publications. Some Adventist teachers proclaim there is no reason for the Adventist Church ( it’s not a church) to exist if the investigation of saints is not real. Ty mentions intellectually challenged people believing God is love. Ty is bewitched and obviously not very bright. God is love and he loved rebels so much He sent His only Son to die as a propitiation for sinners, be buried, rise from the grave, appear to Cephas, and the other disciples, ascend to heaven itself, to reign beside His father. Jesus is not examining every Christian who He has placed on probation, and carefully investigating their lives to determine if they are worthy of heaven. God knows humans are messed up. Especially these five intellectually challenged individuals. How can anyone with a functioning mind read this, and believe the foundational lie of daughter of the devil Ellen White? “ By grace you have been saved through faith. This is not your own doing, it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.” - Apostle Paul. Colossians 2:8-9. Just before this Paul proclaims Christians are alive in Christ- raised up with Him and seated with Him in Heavenly places with Christ. You are telling me, you are actually trying to convince people with the ability to critically think, that redeemed saints who are seated with Christ in heavenly places, are on probation ( the word probation is not in a real Bible. It may be in the Adventist rag, the Clear Word Bible, written by Jack Blanco), and being investigated to determine if they are worthy of heaven? You want people to believe your present truth? Really, what, do you think, people are stupid, or something?
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
@@juliosalinas4436what are you talking about 💀
@@juliosalinas4436she Was a prophet, if you were right she could have warned about it like she warned about lot's of stuff
The 7000 were the ones who DID NOT BOW DOWN THEIR KNEES TO WORSHIP BAAL. When you worship the Trinity god is like you are worshiping Baal because the God of heaven said...Exodus 20:4 (KJV) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
And Jesus Himself said in
Mark 12:29 (KJV) And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
That should confirm what God said to Israel
Deuteronomy 4:35 (KJV) Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.
Exodus 34:14 (KJV) For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
And all these speakers approved by GC Adventist Media are worshiping the trinity god, thereby braking the
Commandments of God.
Thank you for having Ty Gibson on. One of my favourite books is "In the Light of God's Love". "Love requires freedom, freedom creates risk but love is worth the risk" is a favourite quote of mine.
Also "The Table Talk" series seasons 1,2,3,4 and 5 from Light Bearers ministry I highly recommend however season 5 was a bit heavy for me. I have yet to start Season 6 though on Jesus' parables.
God bless you guys and keep up the good work.
Where can I find TT? I only see season 1 on TH-cam.
When I was researching the SDA church I use to stay up really late watching season one of TT on 3abn’s Dare to Dream channel (comes on every night) but now that I’ve accepted the health msg I try to get to bed at a decent hour so I can’t see if the newer seasons are offered.
Hi @@dustinmackbee, greetings from Auckland, New Zealand. The Table Talk series can be found online via their website however you will have to register an email. God bless and all the best.
Thanks so much for listening Francis!💛
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
@@juliosalinas4436 Thank you for your nonsense, I follow no narratives, nor pioneers, nor Ellen G. White. I follow Jesus Christ whom you have neglected to mention by name.
12. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4.12 (KJV)
His name is Jesus Christ, you will not find salvation in narratives, pioneers, nor Ellen G. White but by having faith in Jesus Christ. I suggest you repent and be converted, lest you perish in your self-centred righteousness. Acts 3.19 (KJV).
I am Christian and have been all my life and NO - I don't love God out of fear for hell, or because I'm looking forward to heaven (like he insinuated), or because I was taught that God is a monster. We have always been taught that God is a Loving Father whose plans are to prosper us and not to harm us.
I am Christian because I have had an ACTUAL encounter with Him one day after coming to the end of the rope and just feeling like I can't do it on my own anymore. I surrendered my life and cried out to Him and He answered me.
Although I didn't understand it at that moment of the encounter, I realized after that I experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the complete heart change that the Bible speaks about, my fleshly desires were disappearing and I developed this intense desire for God's Word again.
If anyone had to ask me why I'm Christian or what I believed, then I could easily explain my beliefs directly out of the Bible, without having to bring down any other denomination, or point to extra-biblical literature, or remove comma's or add words into Bible passages to prove my point.
I have watched all of your episodes and enjoy the honesty, but noticed that most times, guests can't answer "What is an Adventist" without having to discredit the "Christian" beliefs in order to elevate or prove their own beliefs, which is nothing different to what Islam and others do.
My favourite episode in this series was the one with Tim Gillespie, he actually spoke the Gospel message and made it about Jesus, and that was refreshing to hear ❤
@nixluvsjesus you begin your 6 paragraph with "I am a christian and have been all my life....." you list some reason what discounts being a christian, you then say you are a christian because you had an actual encounter with God.
After reading through 6 paragraphs, I was waiting for the REAL reason why someone becomes a real christian. Not once did you mention that Jesus died for YOUR sins, and placing faith in Him as the propitiation (God turning His anger/wrath away from you and turned it toward Jesus). I was waiting to read how Jesus FORGAVE YOU. Read 1 Corinthian 15:1-5 to KNOW the gospel that saves. THIS is why how a person can declare to be a christian.
Not once did you use the words;
Jesus, sin, forgivess, redemption.
Having been forgiven by the death of Jesus one can call themselves "christian". This is what you share with others.
@@LoCoWi Aaawh. Thanks so much for sharing the Gospel with me. That's so kind of you ❤️
Loved this, but having experienced other denominations, the discussion of those in this podcast are not accurate... adventism is not the only group that says God is love - that's hubris.
Adventism is dying, not for lack of theology, good works, or intellectualism but from a lack of the move of the Holy Spirit, and intimate experiences with God. We debate theology but fail to take Scripture at its word where it really matters - in the workings of God on earth through submitting all things to the Holy Spirit, walking, moving, and being in Him and once filled by the Holy Spirit, positioning our lives, movements and actions to partner with what God is doing on the earth. It feels like this is adventism for adventism sake rather than to uplift the Name of Jesus.
God wants to be King in our lives, but the Holy Spirit, who is His ambassador, was mentioned only once - at the two hour mark. The acts church was only successful through the empowerment of the Holy Spirit and He is the principle thing lacking in the Adventist church, He is grieved that the church has placed our intellectualism and theological debate at higher priority than His presence. He so desires His bride to make Him her highest priority.
I have enjoyed these podcasts from an intellectual and theological perspective but am left with with the deep yearning for His bride to awaken to who she really is in God's eyes and to open herself to hearing Him, experiencing Him, trusting him, and moving in this world on His behalf, being the hands and feet of Jesus, empowered and strengthened by the HS to produce the harvest that is so ripe and yearning for the love of God.
@@LoCoWi those thinks your talking about are the first part of belief, faith - the 'milk' as Paul calls it, it's time we move onto the meat of living with Jesus and entering and sharing the kingdom - which is what this person is talking about - that's real Christianity and something we all should be seeking and growing in
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
I hv not been to church for over 2 decades so i can be considered a backslider, but i haven't been anywhere, im hanging by a thread, but I still believe what my parents believe but for some reasons i stopped going, though ive been yearning to, there's this feeling of holding back i jyst dont know how to go back. I love this podcast that just pop up in my screen,We have to remind ourselves that the church is a house full of sinners saved by God's grace, are a work in progress forever til Jesus comes,we all hv tendencies in whatever capacity to sin, and unless you're truly rooted in your faith, you're bound to Fall anytime in your christian walk. I love that brother Ty stayed put regardless of what he has gone through,in my view,that is true Adventism. True Christ's followers dont just leave because a fellow member was too judgemental or rude or didn't act as you expected them to be, getting to heaven is individual so why be bothered by them🙆🤦 just continue in your Christian journey and pray 🙏 God give you the strength to carry on witnessing for His glory. 🙏I also agree to what Ty hv mentioned about reintroducing real adventism to Adventist. Its very true many including myself couldn't articulate what adventism is all about 🤦, as i oftened heard the SDA church is not a club which most Adventist feel, giving them that feeling of holier than thou attitude😞 which should change! it's a movement! There's too much hypocrisy going on, i guess, overall this discussion is an eyeopener 👌🙏
Great points, hopefully you’ll share more!
-I've always said that some day Netflix will do a documentary about adventism and it will be WILD!
-How can the whole church know real adventism, and not just know a list of dont's?
-I love the model of having worship service towards visitors, cause many times the pulpit is used for in house stuff that makes no sense to visitors, and they would just look for another church. (Specially those who use the pulpit to talk bad about other denominations).
-For us Ty is so "ignorant" about what's happening in the church right now. The church is not known for "God is love" but rather "Don't eat pork" hahaha... But I love his sincerity, and wish the world might have that same view.
He talks about who they are fundamentally not actually. He also talks about what that could and should mean potentially.
When I was a visitor of the sda church, from the sunday church, I was completely lost during the service and now, sadly, I’m just like everyone else. The church is like a social club that’s not as open to outsiders… who we say we’re trying to “reach”.
The devil does agree with you.. and he appreciates adventism.. they are. His right hand man.. Ellen White and Hiram Edison ..create a false Jesus! and said he's the devil in the investigative judgment.. that's your confession of faith.. when you become a member! You just don't realize where you're at! But you're happy and comfortably numb right where the devil wants to keep you!
The uploader will not let anybody tell the truth.( about who Advantism is that tells you who you're listening to!
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
"... adventism gave me the gift of a premise. A master equation of reality. God is Love. ..."
That is a guiding light.
I get it Mr Ty. Thank you.
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
Hey, you guys, this is fantastic and absolutely needed, Ty-AMEN!!!. That’s all I got to say. You are going to get my few monies every now and then to support this beautiful thing called the gospel, and according to Revelation 14:6-12 this is going to be declared. I am enrolled in arise on line, just to be one more voice to tell the true story of Jesus, who is love and the Saviour of all men/people. Praise The Lord!!! Thank You Jesus!!!
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
3rd generation Adventist. Learning now what the 1888 message was really about through Dr. Timothy Jennings, Come and Reason Ministry’s, and Jack Sequeira’s book, Savior Of The World. The ‘missing link’.
How do you get from 457 B.C .in the spring of the year ,to the fall of 1844 with 2300.? the math will not let you do it... your false prophet says that's the truth...( God says it's not the truth!)
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
This the best one you guys have presented next to Ted Wilson presentation. Ty really encouraged me. I think 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation Adventist have difficulty appreciate the present Truth they have. Ty, Dwayne Lemon, Doug Batchelor and Ivor Myors came has a seeker for truth and found the true “Everlasting Gospel” in God’s Remnant Church of Bible Prophecy. I wish you would interview more solders like these in the future.
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
I want to commend you guys but I also want to say I wish you guys dig deeper and represented a more realistic picture of what it means to be SDA. As a highly educated SDA who was let go from my position purely for having my masters and doctorate from a non-SDA seminary, it is great what Ty and you guys are saying but the experience of most is far different. When Ted Wilson (even though his words were muted) says that you should resign if you don’t view the Bible and the 28 fundamental beliefs as they read, I don’t see the connection. Being an SDA means towing the official line. Having gotten my doctorate in church planting and revitalization, I was hit with reality when you dive into the churches statistics and the reputation the church has combined with the overall toxic church culture……there is a voice not being heard and it is of those of us in exile. Who see that the SDA church has sound biblical beliefs (Sabbath, State of the Dead, Grammatical-Historical Interpretation, Second Coming) but that have been so pushed out because we don’t have the pedigree or name behind us. When we do speak, our views which we are concerned about are disregarded as personal opinion or chalked up to bad experience or church hurt. I believe the church has potential and has a beautiful mission to LEAD Protestant Christianity and dive deep into a love relationship but it is hindered by issues people don’t want to deal with. Anyways good job.
Couldn't agree more!
Leadership is so very hard. People can be difficult. Leaders that truly depend on Christ, are selfless, and have a servant leadership approach do well. However, many in leadership, lead by protectionism and self preservation.
Personally, I feel for those called to work within a church. I lead in a different sector and that is hard enough. I can’t imagine dealing with the human politics in the church. May Christ guide and bless them all.
What it means is is to reject Jesus Christ..( and what he did at the cross)! they have no salvation.. but they have got people like this. it's called humanism .and they said (Jesus is the devil in the investigative judgment for the atonement of Leviticus 16:10!)
I was raised in a solid "righteousness by faith" home. Yet my Mdiv roommate often, prior to his jumping ship, described Adventism in terms which were not the Advntism I know and love. What you guys say about Ty describing Adventism in a way you don't recognize is exactly the sad reality of poor Dmiv education today, leading people at times to reject what they think is Adventism, when it is really a SAD understanding rather than a true SDA understanding.
of course, I am stumbling upon this very late in the game. Really resonated with much of what Ty Gibson had to say. it would have been nice if you guys had discussed the investigative judgment as I know there are some Adventists who don’t believe the doctrine which is quite ironic because it is the only doctrine that distinguishes us from all other Christian denominations. As far as I know Tai Gibson does believe the investigative judgment and as for me, it is one of the most beautiful aspects to Adventism when understood correctly. nobody asked me, but for me an Adventist as someone that is faithful to God‘s word and demonstrates his faithfulness or her faithfulness by unswerving obedience motivated buy a faith that works through love. as Thai Gibson said, God is love and God is just. Justice will always demand judgment and in order for judgment to be fair, investigation is needed. Much love to you guys.v
This has been one of the best videos I have seen on what Adventism is. Thank you!!!❤️
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
Love brother Ty.
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
Love the discussions!!! Looking forward to the next one!
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
Blessings
Great words Ty, Im going through some decisives and toughs moments, and that conclussions about adventism, whoa, are just like a bucket of cold water right to my mind! That reaffirm my faith in SDA church (in a logical and emotional way), thank you brother!
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
@@juliosalinas4436 Whats up Julio? I understand your point, im not agree but think about that... the episode when Paul commands to the new christians to be baptized again cause they only was baptized in the name of the Son and the Father... but not in the Holy Spirit´s? You dont consider that at least is important?
Idk if there is anyone out there that is seeing what I’m seeing!?? Even here in Keene Texas!! @Anthony? ! Sooooo much is happening!! The shaking is taking place in the Adventist church As a whole. The government is lining up to join together church and state and the Holy Spirit is about to be poured out and it’s THIS MESSAGE ( Ty’s message) that is what is bring the revival on and getting us ready! Even though Keene is so big our pastor is bringing this message and the church is coming alive!! Ty I’ve wanted to have a conversation with you for so long and I was at the Arise here in Keene and I never got to talk to you! I didn’t want to take up your time but I regret not making it happen while you were here! I was even willing to make you tacos!!! 😂 Anthony Am I wrong about Keene?? Maybe we can have a conversation sometime? 😊
Finally, someone you agree with in almost everything 😅
Nice discussion
Always like Ty and his message! Great discussion!! Hi Sean!!
Thanks for listening Judah!
What are the Traditional ideas that are not biblical? (I would like a list) identifying these things are important.
Reading the Bible in a narrative way makes so much sense!
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since Gibson is teaching others a false doctrine, he will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
The noble spirit of William Miller & Adventists fills my heart with hopefulness. I am an African Adventist Baha’i. The Adventist Christianity in me is that Ellen White’s health counsels are part of my daily living. The Baha’i in me constitutes of my participation in building Christ’s Kingdom on earth. I am caught up in speeding up the process of Christ’s coming so that “all eyes” can see Him in clouds.
How are you an adventist Baha'i? How does that work?
Thanks for the question. My daily life is integrated by the benefits I enjoy from practicing Ellen White's health counsels; friendly associating with Adventists (my spiritual parents); participating in the building vibrant communities regardless of people's background; having a world-embracing vision; working for the harmony among traditionally antagonistic groups--be they racial, religious, political, tribal, national & otherwise. I hope that somewhat answers your question. @@dariusmot8440
@@dariusmot8440It's practically ecumenism which constitutes that all is sacred based on the Augustinian/platonic notion of immortality of the soul. This essentially postulates that all is sacred, there's clearly no difference between creation and the Creator.
The Sabbath is to differentiate us from God in that we are not timeless beings in and of our selves, that God rules over time and thus is not subjugated by time and things to Him are not sequential as they are to us.
Platonic Greek philosophy, which is exactly where the majority of the Beast in Revelation is leopard-like which typologically is indicative of Greek philosophy in Revelation 13. Thus, you have a panentheistic-not pantheistic-philosophy which suggests that God is above creation but also that creation in itself has God permeating within it which is where you have the false belief in the immortality of the soul.
Thanks for the question. My daily life is integrated by the benefits I enjoy from practicing Ellen White's health counsels; friendly associating with Adventists (my spiritual parents); participating in the building vibrant communities regardless of people's background; having a world-embracing vision; working for the harmony among traditionally antagonistic groups--be they racial, religious, political, tribal, national & otherwise. I hope that somewhat answers your question.@@dariusmot8440
How do you get from 457 BC in the spring of the year to the fall of 1844 with 2300??? God says that's impossible! The false prophet says God is a liar.
This was such a wonderful message to hear never heard it quite this way, and I'm a 5th generation Adventist... Thank you for the inspiration
Enjoyed Ty’ view of God IS LOVE
God is but SDA is God Is Not Jesus Christ
The reductionist view is evidence of the acceptance of the lie that God's law functions like human law. The reality is that God's law is love, His power is love, and His government functions in that reality. We look at the change of the sabbath day and ignore the meaning behind the change. The lie of the enemy that is declaring God's law can be changed and is imposed, and the view of justice is punishment from God for the breaking of law. My God is beautiful. He is love. This was a wonderful episode.
Loved this. If you are trying to start a church full of programs like the current churches then yes…that is certainly hard. The format needs to be different. Just like Ty said, the emphasis needs to be to meet the needs of the community and the actual social engagement with each other as well.
Yeah socialism and humanism are exactly the same thing.. just as soon as they get the real Jesus and not the( 1844 Levite Jesus ) that Ellen says( is the devil in the investigative judgment the second Goat of Leviticus 16:10 for your atonement before the Lord.. (and discover they have no salvation!
I'm with JESUS! AMEN, AMEN! That's my position.
Great podcast!
Ellen .. a minimalist, Agree!! In context with mentioned by Ty
"Is it really Adventsm?" Love this!❤❤❤
Tim Keller was such a pioneer of alot of what Ty shared, especially in that third way or third voice in his style of preaching. He would always distinguish between religion, irreligion and the gospel. The gospel changes everything (every aspect of our lives hence Gospel in Life) was the focal point of his ministry.
I'm such a huge fan of Tim Keller. He is gone too soon.
At 1:42:20 would I be able to see that written model as we’re about to plant a church? Would love to do it like storyline!
Thanks!
Thank you! 🙏
Podcast Lit 🔥
Ty, please supply us with what EGWs doctrinal minimum would look like.
Ty reminds a bit of Dr Tim Jennings Come and Reason Ministries.
There are important similarities between their views of sin and of God’s way of setting men right, yet they both have their individual areas of strength.
I love Tim’s focus upon God’s use of law, the imperial vs. design law distinction. Tim just kept coming back to it when his interlocutors hadn’t quite grasped the essence of it.
Also loved what he (Tim) said about the church’s failure in regard to freedom of conscience surrounding COVID.
Ty wasn’t as strong in that area, unfortunately.
They both have a biased for seeing God as love without fully explaining why and how in more completed situations God is considered in. Maybe God means a more holistic love than we usually speak of.
Read Savior Of The World by Jack Sequeira. Written for Adventists
@@ThatLee4Read Dr Jennings’ book “Could it be this simple?”. It will fully explain the details you note as missing from the discussion.
@@earlharris163 narr I'm alright. When someone tries to say the gospel is simple. I know they are gonna use mental gymnastics to overlook many things in the Christian experience and give God praise anyways.
I haven’t heard present truth in the SDA church for years! Except for going to church on the Sabbath, I could’ve been in any Protestant church.
One day after service I mentioned that most of the sermons that were given from our pulpit could be shared in a sunday church and I think it upset some people.
I came from the sunday church and I didn’t join this church to hear those same mammy-pammy sermons. God has given us a special msg that the world is seeking for and we’re just playing social club. Lord help us.
If you're an SDA your confession of faith which is required for you to agree to is the investigative judgment which never happened what it says ultimately is Jesus did not finish it at the cross( and the devil is for your atonement Leviticus 16:10)!!! ..which is written in the investigative judgment that is blasphemy the Holy Spirit!
Grace isn’t grace for me unless I rest in it❤
Maybe God being love is a different definition of Love than what we usually think.
Especially when we consider all the actions of God through the ages. Some being confusing but still love
Ty Gibson in this video essentially just declared the new 2023 Statistical report factually incorrect. Ty just stated the 22 Million report member count is fiction. Will the GC Statistical office respond?
Divide the church in small groups and meet at least once outside of the church building. Saddleback church in Southern California organized 3000 small groups meetings. Huntington Beach alone they had 400 small groups. EG white advises small group meetings
“Adventism has latent potential” and by definition this means that the SDA Church is in crisis wrt its mission and message. This podcast is a wake-up call. Scary. Thank God He is greater than a religious system!
The word that is translated into Hell, is Kωλασις which means Punishment. Ψυχη is translated in English as soul, but we use it in Greece meaning human beings. For example we say there were 20 ψυχες at the meeting.
Are there any Adventist verses by verse book studies published? Say like a commentary on the book of Romans. I’d like to see how Adventists do with letting a biblical author solely set the points and narrative without bringing in hermetical pre commitments. .
Nothing from advantis would be the truth.. if you want me to show it to you.( it's real simple )but you have to be willing to follow the Bible.. rather than their false teaching and their narratives!
As for the heinous teaching of Calvinist Predestination doctrine, especially the "predestined for eternal torment in hell" aspect, a good scripture to counter that belief is what John the Revelator said about the fire that came down from God at the end of the millenium to destroy the unsaved (rebel humans and Satan and his rebellious angels) who were trying to mount an invasion and takeover of the New Jerusalem: John said that the lake of fire was prepared for Satan and his rebel angels (not for unsaved humans).
It would be amazing to get Ty Gibson and Timothy Jennings on together. I see a lot of similarities between their thoughts.
Question: If God's presence only consumes sinners by the shame and guilt of their sin, why was Lucifer not consumed for the 4000 years he had limited access to heaven after the fall of Adam?
Agree that true Adventism should be presenting a beautiful picture of God. Unfortunately, there seems to be two Adventisms, one like that of the Pharisees and the other, like the way Jesus showed the true Character of God to be by the way He lived whilst He was here on earth
You mean those who understand the first chapter of Desire of Ages and those who don't.
I was thinking the same thing. Ty seems to have a very rose colored view of adventism. I've spent most of my life in adventist churches who have very Angry and vengeful views of God and I've seen that same teaching in the SDA quarterly and from the conference.
@americanswan I love how the first chapter of Desire of Ages opens: His name shall be called Immanuel, ... God with us.” “The light of the knowledge of the glory of God” is seen “in the face of Jesus Christ.” From the days of eternity the Lord Jesus Christ was one with the Father; He was “the image of God,” the image of His greatness and majesty, “the outshining of His glory.” It was to manifest this glory that He came to our world. To this sin-darkened earth He came to reveal the light of God’s love,-to be “God with us.” Therefore it was prophesied of Him, “His name shall be called Immanuel.” DA 19.1
By coming to dwell with us, Jesus was to reveal God both to men and to angels. He was the Word of God,-
@@John-Ebsenit goes back to 1888 when most of the leadership rejected Jones and Waggoners righteousness by faith message, God's law wasn't seen as design law the way life was built to operate upon and a large portion of leadership was fixed on an imperial, penal view of God. The last message of mercy is a revelation of God's character of love and a proper understanding of how His laws operate, not arbitrary rules but of how life was meant to function under the law of self sacrificing love
@@cosmicure-truthinshort2038
I find it fascinating the way the church puts EGW on a pedestal yet she was aligned with Jones and Waggoner and then banished to Australia. Same with Desmond Ford.
Moral of the story is never go against the GC I guess.
I left the church on bible grounds to live for Jesus, I have not found a biblical reason to return. I really do not regret it. God is so good!!!!
it's hard to find a real church, you can feel the lack of spirituality right away when you enter a church, I moved from San Diego to Riverside and went to probably all the churches and didn't find one I could attend. Satan is everywhere, but don't give up because that is exactly what satan wants, find a church, a group, keep looking, and don't stay home, because our focus should be God and not people or perfection, because we are not perfect. finding the right place is important. Leaving the church is never going to be on bible grounds, that's division and God doesn't divide.
@@starv88By beholding Christ we shall assimilate into His perfect character. Do you not believe this?
Do you keep the commandments? Do you believe Sunday law will be the mark of the beast?
Too bad😢
Interesting, and sad that Tye carefully avoided naming his main partner, James Rafferty, as the founders of the ministry. Who knows what happened, but James was separated from Arise a few years ago and now is a part of 3ABN.
When will the audio be available?
Today!
I love that,if I want to join how I can join?
Jesus' illustration of wineskins - new and old - apply to Ty's experience in the way he was treated for daring to set up an ancilliary ministry ("Light Bearers' Ministry") not directly under the "headship" of the formal S.D.A. hierarchy. In fact Paul said that Jesus Himself is the Head of the church, not the president of any conference. As for the wineskins illustration, the beginning of the S.D.A. church in the bitterness of the Millerite disappointment as prophesied in Revelation 10 was God's way of establishing the remant church as a separate organisation; trying to launch the last-day Advent message ("you must prophesy again") within the structure of one of the existing Protestant churches would never have worked.
How can one get hold of Ty's "Storyline" DNA
Wait, what was the “black book” that Ty says the youth pastor gave him to read as he questioned the existence of God? Ty never gave the title.
@dustinmackbee5213 "Patriarchs and Prophets "
@@susanpellandini1739SDA does not know any prophets..!!! If you want .I can show you play that is so!
1:23 into this. I'm enjoying this discussion like so many discussions you guys have. Just wanting to point out a few things that you guys may have misunderstood about us out here in "non-Adventist land.
I was raised to believe that every Christian out there just didn't WANT a sabbath because they wanted or needed money. That most of us understood the 7th day Sabbath but were, in some respect rebellious. OR Christians simply didn't know that Saturday was the Sabbath.
That is far from reality. I'm sure that there are a few who DO fit those criteria, but most Christians do not.
Most Calvinists believe Sunday is the Christian Sabbath and many of them keep it strictly. So there is no "we just don't want to keep a Sabbath" among this group. They sacrifice equally to Adventists to keep the Lord's Day holy. Look at Chik-fil-A.
Also, Christian history is full of examples of debates about the Sabbath and if Christians were supposed to keep it. So many books were published during the late 16th to 17th century that the timeframe was called "Sabbath Wars" in English speaking areas. I have a list of dozens and dozens of books about the Sabbath during that timeframe written by historians, scholars and theologians who discussed and debated every aspect of the Sabbath. Certain people became so sure of their positions they threatened those who disagreed. The 7th-day Baptists were persecuted out of England and fled to America (the Rhode Island area) and hence why Joseph Bates came into contact with them.
You should check out our episode on the Sabbath Wars on our TH-cam channel.
Protestants have done enormous amounts of biblical research about Sabbath and have come to a different interpretation of what Christians must do in regard of the 7th day. It's not about being ignorant of scripture. It's about understanding it differently.
Also,
Isaiah 58:13
King James Version
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on MY HOLY DAY; and call the Sabbath a delight, the HOLY of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Is that true or false?????
-----NO OTHER day does GOD__Again--GOD REST ON,,,BLESS, SANCTIFY, NAME, and DECLARE AS HIS HOLY DAY!!!!!!
NO OTHER DAY doed GOD say is the Sabbath. The Bible CLEARLY states the seventh day IS the Sabbath!!! By your comment, you imply God is a liar!!!!!!
If so, then don't ever quote the Bible!!!!
I was raised in the sunday church and it’s strictly tradition just as Jesus testified in His day. It was tradition that caused me to drag my feet as I left the 1st day church and tradition that caused my family & friends to turn their backs as I left. Muslims, Amish, Jews… they all threaten banishment if even an only child leaves tradition.
Tradition has always and will always be the basis of our downfall.
@@dustinmackbee Dustin, Adventists have created many traditions about the Sabbath. They have said without ANY biblical evidence that the ceremonial aspects of the Sabbath are done away with. That isn't biblical. There is no where that says "keep the Sabbath" but you can do what you want on it. You should be keeping it just as God told Israel to. You must stone those who break it.
It is TRADITION that says we no longer have to keep that part of the commandments of God.
The biggest adventist church is in China. 7000. It started in a house church 1985. Each Adventist should become a house church cell churches is practice in many big churches
o dear then ..i heard (am i correct?) that it was the lightbearers had a sacred cow bout the Ford Family wanted Des' to be honoured on SDA Soil and the lightbeaers couldnt bare it.. follow the fruit ..God bless Ty ..never understood that in the sea of Grace that the God of Love affords
This all sounds very nice.. but what about the glaringly and blatantly false 1844 interpretation, which leads to a false investigative judgement, which denies the finished work of atonement on the cross, which has brought us into communion with the Father
Had.. similarities..God has to be in the healing..some by Fire..some.. thru the flood.. ect..All thru the Blood..
A true Adventist definitely includes someone who doesn't believe in current SDA Trinity of today, or Tritheism. But the truth about a literal begotten Son from eternity, as did all our SDA Pioneers of the first 50 years.
Then I have a problem. The Word of God "says".
“I came into AdventISM and it truly is an ISM which..is a..not..but another gospel
TY. Where's the Holy Spirit in your reduction?
Ty Gibson and Tim Jennings have the same message.
Seemingly, Tim Jennings rely on his cognitive abilities with little inspiration from the Holy Spirit and that God is Love. God is Love is the foundation of Ty's beliefs.
Keep in mind-they also were in the Good News Tour together in the mid-2000s trying to bring to light God's character of love when portions of the church had taken a penal-legal construct of God's character to mind. Both of them are very well-aware of how conservative and liberal-minded Adventists have rifted the church apart.
And it always comes down to how you understand God's Law and how it operates functionally in how He has built things to function.
And they're also really good friends. 😊
@@caleschnell Wow I didn't know that. I was recently introduced to Tim's "Design Law" message and it honestly blew my mind.
It just made everything make sense. All the questions that I had about the IG, the sanctuary message, the sabbath, the mark of the beast etc it just made sense and grounded all these in reality. God bless Tim and Ty, and all others who are teaching the truth about the character of God.
What Gospel? 3 Angels messages? That is NOT THE GOSPEL!!!!
I like Jessie but can he give his brothers time to ask questions instead of hogging the cast❤️
Only thing I didn’t like about this interview were 1-2 of these frat guys. This is ministry and important information and their talking over each other like teen boys, making jokes and jessing. I really hope they rewatch each episode with an honest eye, reflecting on their contribution in the hope to do better.
So happy Ty was able to not be too distracted by the blatant immaturity.
Around 1:04:36 Mr. Gibson says that Catholics do not believe in the second death. Again, we do. However Hebrews 9:27 tells us: “it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment.” Catholicism's views are able to connect these two ideas without contradiction.
What is TyS stance on the chosen these days? I have stopped listening to him and david since that i heard them on this topic. They used to be 2 of my favourite pastors. No more. Maybe he has changed his mind?
After they did their series on the chosen?
What was their stance? We know, "The Chosen" is a TV show made for entertainment. It is another tool to get people interested in searching Scriptures. It's not a replacement for the Bible itself. It adds color on what it could possibly have been like to live in those days following Jesus.
Can one be saved by the bible alone and without the influence of men who write books? If yes then why do we need books other than the bible? Instead of writing books should we point people to the bible? Everyone thinks their version of what the bible is saying is correct if they were all correct wouldn’t their version all be the same? People that write books that are not the bible are either just retelling what the bible already has said, they think what is says is too difficult for the Holy Spirit to explain to others or they don’t like what it says and have a need to steer others to a non biblical meaning.
Isn’t the bible alone enough?
Why Support A God Who Will Destroy You In The End, Because He Never Knew You, it's there and avaliable to a god of Power! Burnt Offering - More Power!
1:30:30 FYI. In the US, Catholics have MORE people sitting in mass on the 7th day than Adventists do--like exponentially more. According to SDA stats, about 200,000 Adventists attend church in North America. In the United States alone 1/3 of Catholics attend mass on Saturday rather than Sunday. If there's 77 million Catholics in the US and lets say ONLY 10% of them attend mass weekly, (and more than that do) that means that on any given Saturday 2.6 MILLION Catholics attend worship services on Sabbath. At the very least--probably way more than 10 TIMES the amount of Catholics are keeping the Sabbath compared to Adventists.
As a former Roman Catholic, I agree with you that many Catholics attend church on Saturday. However, and I speak for myself and my family, we used do so because the mass is short, and we look towards the convenenience of not attending Sunday mass. Then too, we do not really see it as the 7th day Sabbath. The biblical Sabbath day begins at the previous evening, Friday. the evenings and the mornings consist of the days. The Sabbath ought to be a delight. How many of us experience the 7th day Sabbath as such?
However, while I may these observations, I too do not subscribe to organised religion. I have experienced the Love of the Almighty God, and will continue to worship Him without labels of religion.
and why do catholics : in the United States alone 1/3 of Catholics attend mass on Saturday rather than Sunday. "?
Because they are there to have the daily Mass!!!!! NOT because it is the Sabbath!!!!!!
----And of course, right after that, they head for the nearest restauranat, football game, etc!!!!! Washing the car, mowing lawns, etc,.!!!!
THAT IS NOT KEEPING THE SABBATH!!!!!
The SDA that ARE in church on the Sabbath ARE THERE because IT IS THE SABBATH!!!!!
I was just curious is that Saturday evening mass?
How strange....i came here after listening to the new C#ntpuncher LP....😂
Amen brother
i grew up at light bearers at malo now i know where the coke was coming from.
Please have John Peckam (Author of "The Theodicy of Love") next ... Thank you!
L 7 ❤
What I don’t understand is why Adventist churches are allowed to be just like any ordinary secular place where now it looks like a circus
You are so funny you make me laugh you can make some money being a comedian
457 + 1844 equals 2,301.... 457 + 26 equals 483. There goes sda
_"WHAT IS AN ADVENTIST?_"
Easy answer: Modern day Pharisees
I get the sense you don't listen to the content of these.
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Do I have to ask satan anything to know more about him?
I guess not, for I do have a Bible as my benchmark to know what is out of hell or not.
And yes, the SDA cult failed miserable.
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an Adventist is someone that rejected Jesus Christ at the cross! and said He's the devil in the investigative judgment!
Can’t be a true Christian AND be an Adventist.
It would be like teaching your under the old covenant AND the new covenant at once…oh wait…is that was SDA is?!
Instead of seeking what they sought you need to find what they has..cause you ain’t got it.
Double speak 🐍
The amount of ads made it impossible for me to watch. 😢
Oh no. That's odd. Maybe they made adjustments after your comment. My watching experience was ads-free.
Disfellowshipped for playing the guitar? Man that's rough
This is what the narrative says: John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
But you don't follow that narrative, which is the truth, because you believe the doctrine of the trinity, of which the Bible never reveals as God being
three in one (that makes three gods), of which our pioneers, including EGW never believe.
Because he that doesn't believe in the literal Son of God believes anything else, except in the literal Son - Father relationship. But says something about it:
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And since you are teaching others a false doctrine, you will give accountability to God for those who perish for believing a lie
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Ty, are you moving away from EGW?
He's so far away he will never find his way back unless he repents and begs forgiveness for the heresies he is expousing.
An Adventist I a not a Christian.
Not sure what Mr. Gibson was meaning when he said Catholics do not believe Jesus suffered in His flesh during His life and death. Catholics absolutely believe that. Sometimes when Adventists discuss Catholicism, I think they either misunderstand the theology or they are speaking to someone who misunderstands the theology. Christ absolutely suffered many temptations.
John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Jesus IS THE TRUTH!!! Since HE IS the TRUTH, how can any church claim to have the "truth" when it contradicts HIS truth?????
--READ the last words of that verse!!!!
"No one comes to the Father except through me."
Not acording to the Catholic church!!!! One can go through Mary ,a priest or Joseph, etc!!! So, who has the truth?? The Catholic church or Jesus???????
Agree with most of what you said except "Adventist say". If Adventist do not say what the Bible says.
quote-----Agree with most of what you said except "Adventist say". If Adventist do not say what the Bible says. unquote
That an opinions?? definitely NOT a fact!!!
A Christian don't do videos and say the comments can be placed.. and then don't let the comments be placed! I'm letting you know. Everybody can see who you really are.!.. I think you're always talking about a judgment! this is going to come up!
Yeah I saw he's blocking
Ty, equating smoking dope and snorting coke and listening to Led Zeppelin I don't understand. The dope and cokr are bad for you is Led Zeppelin?