Logan Lerman should have been nominated for many awards for this performance..he was totally snubbed...his performance was so subtle and subdued and i could feel all his inner emotions and turmoil just by his demeanor without saying any word
@@valiantshadowproductions he is a known actor he just chooses his roles wisely. He doesn’t do super big movie but almost all roles he’s in he delivers amazing performances. He was recently in bullet train which is another good movie
I absolutely loved this movie from start to finish. I remember reading the book and being really sad. Especially during the kiss scene between Patrick and Charlie(in the book, Patrick kisses him multiple times). The book goes into detail that Charlie doesn't really know how to respond. And he just lets his friend keep kissing him because he sees it as being a good friend.
Never made the connection until this comment that his thinking that allowing himself to be kissed = helping a friend definitely ties back to his trauma.
One of his reasons for his Aunt being his favorite person is because Charlie's Birthday was close to Christmas and his Aunt was the only one who cared enough to get him presents for his Birthday and Christmas. Everyone else only gave Charlie gifts for Christmas, it explains it more in the book
As a 25 year old who’s born on Dec 22nd & have gotten combined presents my entire life from my shit relatives & father (but never from my mom & brother who actually cared enough to give me separate), I can vouch for that it sucks
The author of the book has made slight references to the story being slightly autobiographical...and wrote an update letter in the 20th anniversary version. Where he says things are good now, finally. and he still in contact with Patrick and Sam but they never got married or anything. It's honestly a very sweet little update to the story.
The truth about Aunt Helen is even more messed up in the book, cause he frequently calls her his favorite aunt, has you 100% convinced that she was one of his personal champions, and her death was just another thing he blamed himself for. And then we find out the truth. He wasn't just keeping it from everyone else. He was keeping it from himself.
i feel like it's foreshadowed as early as the first letter -- he says he was "going with" aunt helen, right when he talks about two people "going with" each other as in "dating." it's something that he knows and understands but can't see the wrongness of, and it creates a sense of tension in the reader while u just WAIT for him to finally tell u everything.
I felt bad for Rob. Having known the series ahead of time, you could see it in his face when we were reaching the point of the movie falling off the cliff and he had to hold it in quietly. I hope you all found something positive to do after to take care of your mental health.
Aa an adult man, who's experiences with past trauma like Charlie's, and a lifetime of suppressed memories, and a stint in rehab because of the substance abuse issues stemming from that, Patrick's joke near the end about Charlie having a breakdown scheduled for October was hilarious. My best friend of many decades would make exactly that kind of joke. And I would love it. 🤣
When it comes to this movie I found it to be ahead of its time and for my abnormal psych class in college last semester I wrote a paper about some of Charlie's mental health conditions but focused mainly on ONE. One thing people do not realize is that the trauma Charlie experienced from his childhood by his aunt Helen who was mol3sting him is that from this occured his series of blackouts as you see throughout the movie. Charlie suffers gravely from not just depression but also PTSD which is why in some parts of the movie he would wake up from a blackout and be confused as to what happened prior. Based on the criteria of the DSM5 for PTSD, for one to be diagnosed with it they must display stressors, intrusion symptoms, avoidance, negative alterations in cognitions and mood, alterations in arousal and reactivity, duration, functional significance, and exclusion which is based on non-medical, drug, or alcohol related symptoms. The stressor Charlie experienced was the direct exposure of being seGGsually abused by his aunt Helen. The intrusion symptoms are based on flashbacks and traumatic reminders that stem from both emotional distress and physical reactivity. For example when Charlie's sister was hit by her BF it caused him to have a flashback to a vulnerable moment with his aunt. His initial reaction after seeing Candace hit was to fight her boyfriend but she stopped him. As for physical reactivity, towards the end of the movie when Charlie and Sam kissed, he had another flashback. They got very heavy in the moment and Charlie had to take a few steps back because of how fast the flashbacks came. This was a reaction to being touched by Sam the same way his aunt touched him as a child. I could go on about how much I had to analyze this movie as a Psych major but just know this movie can have one endless conversation and there is so much more stuff from that. I do wanna say though I do appreciate the story in itself portraying a MALE victim in this type of situation cus it shows how men can also be victims and experience such an unfortunate event from the early onset molestation and the VARIOUS mental health struggles! What made it worse tho was that Charlie never told anyone about his AUNT HELEN so he really was a ticking time bomb if you think about it but thankfully he met Sam and Patrick and they really did SAVE him which this movie also shows the importance of how there are people who those of us grasp onto for not just social reasons but for a reason to LIVE as well.
I would like to say, I don't think Charlie chose to not tell anyone what happened with his aunt. I think he buried those thoughts so far until they started getting triggered to come out by new circumstances he was in. I know that happened for me. I didn't remember what happened for me for the longest time until someone I knew got SAed and I had all the memories start flooding back.
@@Rin-jy9gg if I remember the book correctly (it’s been years since I’ve read it), that exactly how it happened. His mind blocked out the abuse, so he only remembered the good things about Helen and the fact that she would get him presents and the special attention she would pay him when he otherwise felt invisible. His memories of the abuse resurfacing in the midst of his depressive spiral it what caused him to break. I don’t remember if the scene where he calls his sister happened in the book, but strictly speaking about the movie, I appreciate that she was immediately able to know that something was off and was a quick on her feet to immediately send help. 😢
Such a shame Ezra’s been on a fucking GTA playthrough this year. Even tho their performance in this movie is outstanding it’s a lil hard to watch knowin everythin we know now.
What many ppl doesn't know that Ezra have been struggling through traumatic events from their past and around before his first breakdown. They haven't publicly release the full details of the events because of confidentiality. Throughout Ezra's life their family never supported them even during these current events that's happening, none of Ezra's family have reach out to them yet. he's been on the battle alone with no support, it's sad as hell
@@kiddlorenz7582 no offense and this comment is so old but it annoyed the piss out of me so i had to say sth i lived through the worst hell imaginable for 18 years and yet you don't see me, or a lot of other traumatized people for that matter, beating the shit out of people in public and being weird towards kids
I know Ezra is the worst as a person but taking a moment to separate art from the artist - I love their performance as Patrick and I love the character.
This movie hit me so hard, my college days were very similar to Charlie’s high school days and I had friends that noticed me and pulled me out of such a dark place. Charlie’s breakdown at the end always gets me, but I did love seeing how his brother spoke to him and checked up on him and his sister just knew what was happening when he called her at the end.
Ever since I watched this movie, I found it hard to re-watch... I remember feeling pretty upset, but not knowing why... now I know that it was bc I was seeing myself in Charlie. I wasn't ready to face that yet... even now facing my experience is still pretty difficult. Watching it now again with you brought me to tears, but I seriously appreciate the respect and attention you payed to this. I fell in love with your channel and that's why I gave this movie another chance. Thank you for that
Fellow Pittsburgh person here. This was set in the early 90s, and as someone about the same age as the Charlie character, the nostalgia level is through the roof on this one. We had a new department head at Point Park in the late 90s who shared this movie's obsession with the view coming out of the Fort Pitt Tunnel. It was Kings, Eat 'n Park, or Denny's for every high schooler. The theater where they do the Rocky Horror nights is in Dormont and both they and the legendary Oakland coffee shop/movie theater The Beehive held those events back in the day. But the most shocking and specific Pittsburgh reference to me was about the Fruit Loop in Schenley Park which was (and may still be, I really don't know) the most notorious gay cruising spot in town. But in general, so many of the characters and issues that they are dealing with seem pulled right out of the lives of people I knew then that it is almost trippy. Beautiful ode to a coming of age in that specific time and place. I always want to call out the lighting in particular as being EXACTLY what the 90s looked like. Great reaction guys!
Lmao I remember having to pause the movie to recover the first time I watched the truth or dare scene where Charlie kisses Sam instead of Mary Elizabeth💀😭
Yeah kind of saw that coming. Lol, Charlie doesn't have a lot of experience with girls, so I don't think he knew that he was supposed to kiss the girl he is "dating" regardless of how he actually feels. Seriously is Mary Elizabeth sooo self-involved that she can't even see that Charlie has no interest in her? That whole relationship was just painful to watch.
@@irenemichelleanne that relationship is the one thing I disliked about the movie compared to the book. In the book the relationship isn’t as one sided. Charlie does care about Mary but he also sees why she acts so self involved. When they break up and apologizes she says she knows that he’s serious but still doesn’t forgive him. In the movie she just acts like an ass after the breakup.
@@pineappledragon2113 she was a butthead before the breakup too though in the movie. Manipulative and selfish. no one ever asked charlie what he wanted and they knew he wouldnt say anything
I don't know if anybody has posted this, but Charlie's ability to "turn into superman" is explained in the book. Apparently, his father taught his sons to fight as he thought this was an important skill for every boy. Charlie doesn't like fighting, yet he has developped a great hook.
Love this book and movie. I saw it in theaters when it came out. I love that the author of the book was so involved with the movie because it really is a great adaption. 💕 Lol I almost forgot about the Rocky Horror scenes. I used to go to the showings in high school and college.
This is such a great movie I also remember watching this when I was a teen probably around the same age as you rob I remember this film being massive on tumbler when it was a big thing back then truly a modern classic one of my favourites too rob I knew you had taste and was my favourite in the group for a reason lol sorry Bryce and zuff
(MAJOR SPOILER) I could feel the cringe the middle guy felt when the outside two said he has happy memories now and it was memories of Charlie being molested ☠
love this reaction. I suffer from borderline personality disorder, too, and this movie has one of the most realistic depictions of BPD. if you watch it again, or better yet, read the book, you'll see it wasn't out of nowhere. his reactions are highly emotionally dysregulated and triggered. every time he confronted violence of any kind he reacted as if he also was being acutely affected. that's one of the fundamentals of BPD: imbibing and internalizing other people's trauma. losing memory is a symptom of PTSD and it's a hallmark of BPD to have memory gaps and vivid flashbacks. especially in situations that lack safety and security and/or in situations of acute violence. it's almost scary to experience life cz you never know what will affect you adversely and categorically. i have to watch what I listen to, read or watch with such discipline. the alternative is giving myself PTSD without even experiencing the trauma irl... by just imagining it.
I read the book for the first time when I was 15 and changed my world. Charlie helped me go through my high school, it's the character that I most relate to from all the books I ever read. I'm just really glad this movie exists.
Logan and Emma's performances are some of the most charming and sweet performances I've ever seen in a movie. Also the character of teacher Anderson is great.
I just watched this a few months back for the first time and when I found out the end, I broke down, being a victim as well from so called family. And then people think you’re weird because you don’t talk or you’re too shy but man when he called his sister I almost had a mental breakdown myself. I never had someone to care for me when I had it done so that didn’t help either but man this movie hit in the feels
Such an underrated movie and the book is one of my favorites. Also nice seeing ezra miller kill his role before he turned bat shit crazy. Logan Lerman is phenomenal in the war movie Fury. Also Ezra Miller is insane in the movie We Need To Talk About Kevin.
This movie deserved an Oscar. I loved this movie and found it in 2023 as a 49 year old man. But basically this film was so truthful about the 90s and being in high-school.
God I have such a love for this film and the movie. I have read the book about 3 times in my life and also read it at important times in my life. The movie is also one of the most faithful adaptions of a book to movie adaptions. I’m so glad you guys actually reacted to this and I’m glad I found the channel months ago during the Euphoria reaction days! (The book is also 10x more heartbreaking and even more so upon re reading it)
i adore this movie. I watched it for the first time when i was 15 or 16 and connected to it immedietly and it helped me feel understood. It also lead to me eventually realizing i had my own trauma. Traumatic memories are stored in the brain differently than normal memories. Imagine a short film with 10 scenes as a representation of a memory: a normal memory would have scenes 1-10 in the proper order but a traumatic memory has the 10 scenes out of order (for example: 8, 4, 7, 1, 6, 5, 10, 9, 2, 3). With Trauma Therapy, your therapist helps you to put these "scenes" back in order, process them, and move forward from them. It's also very very very common to feel attached to your abuser. For many people, abuse is one on one. Meaning that its often you and the abuser, often alone, tho this is obviously not always the case. But because its one on one, its very easy for the abused to manipulate you with rewards. "Come sit on my lap, we can play a computer game". As a child it's natural to trust the adult. Why wouldnt you sit on their lap to play a fun game together? You sit on your parents lap, extended family or family friends laps. Adults are supposed to take care of you. "Dont tell your friends we played computer games or we'll have to do school work next time instead." As a child, you can rationalize anything. Maybe the best example of children doing this is Santa Clause. How does he get around? Why does he give us toys? How does he know where we live? Why are there dozens of them on the streets and in malls? Kids often find their own answers for these things or easily accept the ones their given without much thought because its given to them by an adult. SO when a child it told "not to tell-" its easy to find an answer. In my case, i figured we were supposed to be doing school work but instead i was allowed to play a fun game. So *obviously* i shouldnt tell anyone, because if i did, we'd get in trouble and have to study next time. Does that make sense? Anyways, the truly traumatic part is often blocked. Our brain goes into autopilot and files that trauma away because we cant handle it. Traumatic memories are as much physically affecting as they are mental and emotional. We carry the stress in our body and it makes our muscles ache and our body reacts instinctually to protect ourselves form anything that could cause us harm. We have lapses in memory, anxiety, shortness of breath, dizzy spells, dissociation, flashbacks, loss of focus, nightmares etc etc It manifests in many different ways. In Charlies case, he was experiencing flashbacks and when those got worse, he would begin to dissociate (which is a different experience for everyone but can be experienced as blacking out). This, naturally, leads to confusion and anxiety and even depression.
so much bomb content i cant even keep up lol but anyways this movie/book is one of my favorites. love hearing your guys' thoughts on topics like these :)
As someone who is an SA survivor. The scene where Emma Watson kisses Charlie, is so special. It’s horrible when that first experience gets taken from you and it’ll always be reminder when anyone talks about first kisses. Sam didnt know about about Charlie’s abuse at the time. But it really showed that she loved him as a person and didn’t want the same to happen to him, it makes me bawl every time I watch it
watching reactions to this movie is a really good test to see if i trust the opinions of who i'm watching, and i definitely feel like y'all passed the test, lol. i connect to this movie in a LOT of ways and i think seeing you guys feel the way you did about all of it was really validating and also just fun and relatable too.
Can't even begin to describe how much I love this movie. Never read the book, but saw it when it came out. This was my exact style of friend group all through high school. I was insanely shy and awkward until the last half of sophomore year when I joined theater. Theater tended to pull people from every single clique and background, and I had a friend like every single person in this movie, and there's so much relatable stuff it's unreal.
Same I was going through shit and a friend gave me her copy of the book, I read it and immediately related to so much. A week after I finished the book I saw the trailer for the movie on tv. This movie is a classic for my generation.
i love this movie and book so much. it was executed so beautifully in the film and the cast was absolutely perfect. the way they demonstrate mental illness, sexual abuse, etc. really gets the point across without being super graphic and really hits you in the feels and gives you an understanding of the place charlie was in at the time. if anyone hasnt read the book you really should because its just as good if not better than the film.
This movie was so beautiful, i loved the book but for the first time I have even stronger feelings about the movie more that the book, the whole cast did an amazing job but Logan was perfect
omg i can't believe I just found this ...I've been following you guys for a while now and even became a Patreon, this is one of my favourite movies .....look forward to seeing your reaction
I'm in my 30s, and the first time I remember hearing Heroes was after I discovered Johnny Depp is in a band called Hollywood Vampires during the Amber Heard courthouse drama. I heard their cover and loved the song only to discover it was originally from David Bowie. I know Bowie from Labyrinth and Space Oddity. I listened to Black Star after he passed and absolutely loved the whole album. I was in high-school in the early 2000's. This move takes place in the 90's. I can absolutely attest that, unless you remembered the lyrics, there really wasn't a way to rediscover a song you once heard. Even if you remembered a few lyrics, someone would have to know the song and those lyrics to help you out. The internet was something new and a Yahoo or Altavista search probably would yield the song title. Nowadays, the entirety of human knowledge is at our fingertips with our phones. In the 90's, that tech was only just beginning. In another 30 years, I wonder what kids will think of our lives today.
So the author of perks of being a wallflower was from Pittsburgh which there are some Pittsburgh references like ides and the rocky shows haha this is my all time fav movie reminds me of me with my time in highschool
My favorite movie ever ❤️ GUYS... Did you know , the director is also the writer of the book - stephen chbosky and Emma watson interviewed him a few years ago, for his new book - but he talked Perks too, and he has made a new ending. Charlie writes a last letter - i think supposedly a decade later, and it confirmed him and sam being together (if i don't remember wrong) .... so if you buy the book now, it has this new chapter in it. that's so cool.
Oh look the film that destroyed me! 🙃😭😂 Nah fr though, thank you for reacting to this film, it's amazing, logan lerman, Emma Watson, nina dobrev AND Paul rudd?? 😩🤙 Edit: Damn, how could I forget Mae Whitman! (Mary-Elizabeth)
Logan Lerman should have been nominated for many awards for this performance..he was totally snubbed...his performance was so subtle and subdued and i could feel all his inner emotions and turmoil just by his demeanor without saying any word
I love Logan Lerman. He should’ve been a big-time star.
I think this movie was before its time. Nowadays it FOR SURE would be an awards contender. With these themes? The look? Logan's performance?
Omg I know😭he is so good
@@valiantshadowproductions he is a known actor he just chooses his roles wisely. He doesn’t do super big movie but almost all roles he’s in he delivers amazing performances. He was recently in bullet train which is another good movie
100% agree. What a stellar performance.
Zuff: im a little scared rob could we hold hands
Rob: absolutely not
Bryce: hold his hand 😂
I immediately lost it when Rob said that 🤣🤣 so quick with it
Rob does not fw them 😭
They remind me so much of Rock Lee and Neji 😂
which minute? 🥺
@@ignxtev 21:24
‘I kinda feel bad for him’ “you’re supposed to feel bad for him” bhchdjdjjd I died
I absolutely loved this movie from start to finish. I remember reading the book and being really sad. Especially during the kiss scene between Patrick and Charlie(in the book, Patrick kisses him multiple times). The book goes into detail that Charlie doesn't really know how to respond. And he just lets his friend keep kissing him because he sees it as being a good friend.
Never made the connection until this comment that his thinking that allowing himself to be kissed = helping a friend definitely ties back to his trauma.
@@sydney9672 YES EXACTLY HOW I SAW IT😭
I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT LIKE THAT 😭
Ahh, man, that’s fucked up. It makes sense, but damn.
One of his reasons for his Aunt being his favorite person is because Charlie's Birthday was close to Christmas and his Aunt was the only one who cared enough to get him presents for his Birthday and Christmas. Everyone else only gave Charlie gifts for Christmas, it explains it more in the book
As a 25 year old who’s born on Dec 22nd & have gotten combined presents my entire life from my shit relatives & father (but never from my mom & brother who actually cared enough to give me separate), I can vouch for that it sucks
The author of the book has made slight references to the story being slightly autobiographical...and wrote an update letter in the 20th anniversary version. Where he says things are good now, finally. and he still in contact with Patrick and Sam but they never got married or anything. It's honestly a very sweet little update to the story.
what how did i never know about this? :0
@@elsieegrace I only learned about it because I saw some TH-camrs doing a review on the 20th anniversary edition of the book! It's great.
The truth about Aunt Helen is even more messed up in the book, cause he frequently calls her his favorite aunt, has you 100% convinced that she was one of his personal champions, and her death was just another thing he blamed himself for.
And then we find out the truth.
He wasn't just keeping it from everyone else. He was keeping it from himself.
That…I don’t see how that’s any different from the movie. That sounds just like what the movie portrays.
i feel like it's foreshadowed as early as the first letter -- he says he was "going with" aunt helen, right when he talks about two people "going with" each other as in "dating." it's something that he knows and understands but can't see the wrongness of, and it creates a sense of tension in the reader while u just WAIT for him to finally tell u everything.
bryce and zuff cheering for charlie when he finally gets with sam and rob (and the rest of us) just sitting there waiting for the reveal like ☹️ …
I felt bad for Rob. Having known the series ahead of time, you could see it in his face when we were reaching the point of the movie falling off the cliff and he had to hold it in quietly. I hope you all found something positive to do after to take care of your mental health.
“peter jackson” had me dying
Aa an adult man, who's experiences with past trauma like Charlie's, and a lifetime of suppressed memories, and a stint in rehab because of the substance abuse issues stemming from that, Patrick's joke near the end about Charlie having a breakdown scheduled for October was hilarious. My best friend of many decades would make exactly that kind of joke. And I would love it. 🤣
Yeah I feel the same way sometimes those kind of joke are genuinely the only way to come with some stuff but hey that's not everyone I guess
You three have a great dynamic. Zuff is the hufflepuff, Rob is the slyverin and Bryce is the ravenclaw lol
I like it 😂 - Rob
Love this!
When it comes to this movie I found it to be ahead of its time and for my abnormal psych class in college last semester I wrote a paper about some of Charlie's mental health conditions but focused mainly on ONE. One thing people do not realize is that the trauma Charlie experienced from his childhood by his aunt Helen who was mol3sting him is that from this occured his series of blackouts as you see throughout the movie. Charlie suffers gravely from not just depression but also PTSD which is why in some parts of the movie he would wake up from a blackout and be confused as to what happened prior. Based on the criteria of the DSM5 for PTSD, for one to be diagnosed with it they must display stressors, intrusion symptoms, avoidance, negative alterations in cognitions and mood, alterations in arousal and reactivity, duration, functional significance, and exclusion which is based on non-medical, drug, or alcohol related symptoms. The stressor Charlie experienced was the direct exposure of being seGGsually abused by his aunt Helen. The intrusion symptoms are based on flashbacks and traumatic
reminders that stem from both emotional distress and physical reactivity. For example when Charlie's sister was hit by her BF it caused him to have a flashback to a vulnerable moment with his aunt. His initial reaction after seeing Candace hit was to fight her boyfriend but she stopped him. As for physical reactivity, towards the end of the movie when Charlie and Sam kissed, he had another flashback. They got very heavy in the moment and Charlie had to take a few steps back because of how fast the flashbacks came. This was a reaction to being touched by Sam the same way his aunt touched him as a child. I could go on about how much I had to analyze this movie as a Psych major but just know this movie can have one endless conversation and there is so much more stuff from that. I do wanna say though I do appreciate the story in itself portraying a MALE victim in this type of situation cus it shows how men can also be victims and experience such an unfortunate event from the early onset molestation and the VARIOUS mental health struggles! What made it worse tho was that Charlie never told anyone about his AUNT HELEN so he really was a ticking time bomb if you think about it but thankfully he met Sam and Patrick and they really did SAVE him which this movie also shows the importance of how there are people who those of us grasp onto for not just social reasons but for a reason to LIVE as well.
As someone who has PTSD and relates to Charlie in a lot of ways, I found your comment very affirming and comforting. Thank you!
I would like to say, I don't think Charlie chose to not tell anyone what happened with his aunt. I think he buried those thoughts so far until they started getting triggered to come out by new circumstances he was in. I know that happened for me. I didn't remember what happened for me for the longest time until someone I knew got SAed and I had all the memories start flooding back.
@@Rin-jy9gg if I remember the book correctly (it’s been years since I’ve read it), that exactly how it happened. His mind blocked out the abuse, so he only remembered the good things about Helen and the fact that she would get him presents and the special attention she would pay him when he otherwise felt invisible. His memories of the abuse resurfacing in the midst of his depressive spiral it what caused him to break. I don’t remember if the scene where he calls his sister happened in the book, but strictly speaking about the movie, I appreciate that she was immediately able to know that something was off and was a quick on her feet to immediately send help. 😢
Such a shame Ezra’s been on a fucking GTA playthrough this year. Even tho their performance in this movie is outstanding it’s a lil hard to watch knowin everythin we know now.
Ikr they're a brilliant actor in most of the films they're in, but they had to go batshit crazy... like damn.
It’s a shame because he’s a brilliant actor, especially in We Need To Talk About Kevin
@@supersucks when the character you “play” is the actual you 🤪
What many ppl doesn't know that Ezra have been struggling through traumatic events from their past and around before his first breakdown. They haven't publicly release the full details of the events because of confidentiality. Throughout Ezra's life their family never supported them even during these current events that's happening, none of Ezra's family have reach out to them yet. he's been on the battle alone with no support, it's sad as hell
@@kiddlorenz7582 no offense and this comment is so old but it annoyed the piss out of me so i had to say sth
i lived through the worst hell imaginable for 18 years and yet you don't see me, or a lot of other traumatized people for that matter, beating the shit out of people in public and being weird towards kids
I always cry during Charlie’s last monologue
I know Ezra is the worst as a person but taking a moment to separate art from the artist - I love their performance as Patrick and I love the character.
they're really talented and they completely ruined their career
It kind of hurts to see this movie again and think how they turned out to be.
This was before they went off the deep end
Yeah if you saw their last work a lot of it is really good, Ezra shrines in movies with deep meaning but it just sucks they really went off the rails
Wait why is ezra the worst? What'd they do?
I love how Zuff imagines future scenarios for the characters, picturing them happy in their lives going forward.
This movie hit me so hard, my college days were very similar to Charlie’s high school days and I had friends that noticed me and pulled me out of such a dark place. Charlie’s breakdown at the end always gets me, but I did love seeing how his brother spoke to him and checked up on him and his sister just knew what was happening when he called her at the end.
Ever since I watched this movie, I found it hard to re-watch... I remember feeling pretty upset, but not knowing why... now I know that it was bc I was seeing myself in Charlie. I wasn't ready to face that yet... even now facing my experience is still pretty difficult.
Watching it now again with you brought me to tears, but I seriously appreciate the respect and attention you payed to this. I fell in love with your channel and that's why I gave this movie another chance. Thank you for that
I love Robs face when the other guys are so excited when they finally kiss on the bed.
"Shits about to get really, really heavy"
I laughed when Zuff called him “Peter Jackson” because that’s exactly what Dionysus from Camp Halfblood would call him
I like how Bryce has to check Zuff every time there’s going to be a kissing scene, like “Zuff calm down” 😂😂
Fellow Pittsburgh person here. This was set in the early 90s, and as someone about the same age as the Charlie character, the nostalgia level is through the roof on this one. We had a new department head at Point Park in the late 90s who shared this movie's obsession with the view coming out of the Fort Pitt Tunnel. It was Kings, Eat 'n Park, or Denny's for every high schooler. The theater where they do the Rocky Horror nights is in Dormont and both they and the legendary Oakland coffee shop/movie theater The Beehive held those events back in the day. But the most shocking and specific Pittsburgh reference to me was about the Fruit Loop in Schenley Park which was (and may still be, I really don't know) the most notorious gay cruising spot in town. But in general, so many of the characters and issues that they are dealing with seem pulled right out of the lives of people I knew then that it is almost trippy. Beautiful ode to a coming of age in that specific time and place. I always want to call out the lighting in particular as being EXACTLY what the 90s looked like. Great reaction guys!
Lmao I remember having to pause the movie to recover the first time I watched the truth or dare scene where Charlie kisses Sam instead of Mary Elizabeth💀😭
Yeah kind of saw that coming. Lol, Charlie doesn't have a lot of experience with girls, so I don't think he knew that he was supposed to kiss the girl he is "dating" regardless of how he actually feels. Seriously is Mary Elizabeth sooo self-involved that she can't even see that Charlie has no interest in her? That whole relationship was just painful to watch.
@@irenemichelleanne that relationship is the one thing I disliked about the movie compared to the book. In the book the relationship isn’t as one sided. Charlie does care about Mary but he also sees why she acts so self involved. When they break up and apologizes she says she knows that he’s serious but still doesn’t forgive him. In the movie she just acts like an ass after the breakup.
@@pineappledragon2113 she was a butthead before the breakup too though in the movie. Manipulative and selfish. no one ever asked charlie what he wanted and they knew he wouldnt say anything
I don’t know what homie in the dark green is on, but he’s feeling a different level. The only way to watch such a sad film. 😂
I don't know if anybody has posted this, but Charlie's ability to "turn into superman" is explained in the book. Apparently, his father taught his sons to fight as he thought this was an important skill for every boy. Charlie doesn't like fighting, yet he has developped a great hook.
@Trabsol i was referring to the guys wondering about his mad fighting skills
I think it was his brother?
Love this book and movie. I saw it in theaters when it came out. I love that the author of the book was so involved with the movie because it really is a great adaption. 💕
Lol I almost forgot about the Rocky Horror scenes. I used to go to the showings in high school and college.
I love how Zuff was the only one able to watch the truth & dare scene all the way through lmfaoooo
This is such a great movie I also remember watching this when I was a teen probably around the same age as you rob I remember this film being massive on tumbler when it was a big thing back then truly a modern classic one of my favourites too rob I knew you had taste and was my favourite in the group for a reason lol sorry Bryce and zuff
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i just know rob was on tumblr back in the day! a man of taste.
Oh the absolute death grip that this movie had on tumblr at the time
(MAJOR SPOILER) I could feel the cringe the middle guy felt when the outside two said he has happy memories now and it was memories of Charlie being molested ☠
Yeah could tell who had read the book/seen movie before in the walking home scene
I’ve cried my eyes out to this movie ! FOREVER A WALLFLOWER 💜
Zuff is such a funny dude - he cracks me up. Says the most random stuff at random times and kills me.
love this reaction. I suffer from borderline personality disorder, too, and this movie has one of the most realistic depictions of BPD.
if you watch it again, or better yet, read the book, you'll see it wasn't out of nowhere. his reactions are highly emotionally dysregulated and triggered. every time he confronted violence of any kind he reacted as if he also was being acutely affected.
that's one of the fundamentals of BPD: imbibing and internalizing other people's trauma.
losing memory is a symptom of PTSD and it's a hallmark of BPD to have memory gaps and vivid flashbacks. especially in situations that lack safety and security and/or in situations of acute violence.
it's almost scary to experience life cz you never know what will affect you adversely and categorically. i have to watch what I listen to, read or watch with such discipline. the alternative is giving myself PTSD without even experiencing the trauma irl... by just imagining it.
I read the book for the first time when I was 15 and changed my world. Charlie helped me go through my high school, it's the character that I most relate to from all the books I ever read. I'm just really glad this movie exists.
Your versatility in terms of what u react to is cool as hell and my boy in the middle obviously has good taste. Another awesome reaction, big fan here
Zuff kills me every reaction 😂 he is just adorable as it gets
Logan and Emma's performances are some of the most charming and sweet performances I've ever seen in a movie. Also the character of teacher Anderson is great.
I just watched this a few months back for the first time and when I found out the end, I broke down, being a victim as well from so called family. And then people think you’re weird because you don’t talk or you’re too shy but man when he called his sister I almost had a mental breakdown myself. I never had someone to care for me when I had it done so that didn’t help either but man this movie hit in the feels
“peter jackson” lmao
Such an underrated movie and the book is one of my favorites. Also nice seeing ezra miller kill his role before he turned bat shit crazy. Logan Lerman is phenomenal in the war movie Fury. Also Ezra Miller is insane in the movie We Need To Talk About Kevin.
We need to talk about Kevin is batshit crazy. Ezra Miller is great in it.
@@irenemichelleanne Tilda Swinton as well is amazing!
Great movie as well (We Need To Talk About Kevin)
@@katwebbxo amazing movie. It's a shame what happened to ezra miller now. Guys a complete mess.
@@kevinmatthew1050 For real. Wasted potential. But it's better to know what he's/they're really like.
Bryce is so kind to zuff😭 ❤️
You guys are killing it with these reactions !!!
Kate Walsh who plays the mom in this movie, she also played The Handler in The Umbrella Academy.
They mention that in the full reaction
She is also dr Adisson Montgomery, ruler of all that is evil
And Hannah’s mom in 13 reasons why
I kinda wish they would’ve left some of the deleted scenes, like Candace and Charlie bonding, and him taking her to the abortion clinic
I will forever be sad that those weren’t in it. I always go back to those deleted scenes after watching the movie.
this is one of my favorite movies ever as well! so excited to watch y'all react to it
This movie deserved an Oscar. I loved this movie and found it in 2023 as a 49 year old man. But basically this film was so truthful about the 90s and being in high-school.
God I have such a love for this film and the movie. I have read the book about 3 times in my life and also read it at important times in my life.
The movie is also one of the most faithful adaptions of a book to movie adaptions.
I’m so glad you guys actually reacted to this and I’m glad I found the channel months ago during the Euphoria reaction days!
(The book is also 10x more heartbreaking and even more so upon re reading it)
i adore this movie. I watched it for the first time when i was 15 or 16 and connected to it immedietly and it helped me feel understood. It also lead to me eventually realizing i had my own trauma. Traumatic memories are stored in the brain differently than normal memories. Imagine a short film with 10 scenes as a representation of a memory: a normal memory would have scenes 1-10 in the proper order but a traumatic memory has the 10 scenes out of order (for example: 8, 4, 7, 1, 6, 5, 10, 9, 2, 3). With Trauma Therapy, your therapist helps you to put these "scenes" back in order, process them, and move forward from them. It's also very very very common to feel attached to your abuser. For many people, abuse is one on one. Meaning that its often you and the abuser, often alone, tho this is obviously not always the case. But because its one on one, its very easy for the abused to manipulate you with rewards. "Come sit on my lap, we can play a computer game". As a child it's natural to trust the adult. Why wouldnt you sit on their lap to play a fun game together? You sit on your parents lap, extended family or family friends laps. Adults are supposed to take care of you. "Dont tell your friends we played computer games or we'll have to do school work next time instead." As a child, you can rationalize anything. Maybe the best example of children doing this is Santa Clause. How does he get around? Why does he give us toys? How does he know where we live? Why are there dozens of them on the streets and in malls? Kids often find their own answers for these things or easily accept the ones their given without much thought because its given to them by an adult. SO when a child it told "not to tell-" its easy to find an answer. In my case, i figured we were supposed to be doing school work but instead i was allowed to play a fun game. So *obviously* i shouldnt tell anyone, because if i did, we'd get in trouble and have to study next time. Does that make sense? Anyways, the truly traumatic part is often blocked. Our brain goes into autopilot and files that trauma away because we cant handle it. Traumatic memories are as much physically affecting as they are mental and emotional. We carry the stress in our body and it makes our muscles ache and our body reacts instinctually to protect ourselves form anything that could cause us harm. We have lapses in memory, anxiety, shortness of breath, dizzy spells, dissociation, flashbacks, loss of focus, nightmares etc etc It manifests in many different ways. In Charlies case, he was experiencing flashbacks and when those got worse, he would begin to dissociate (which is a different experience for everyone but can be experienced as blacking out). This, naturally, leads to confusion and anxiety and even depression.
Zuff you’re such a big softie. Please never change. 🤍💌
What movie has Rob not seen omg 😂😂😂
I love ur guys’ reaction to the last scene and the guy on the left asking if there’s any chance Sam & Charlie got married, his smile was so cuteee😭
zuff !!
so much bomb content i cant even keep up lol but anyways this movie/book is one of my favorites. love hearing your guys' thoughts on topics like these :)
Logan Lerman gave us an Oscar worthy performance. Definitely a huge snub!!
As someone who is an SA survivor. The scene where Emma Watson kisses Charlie, is so special. It’s horrible when that first experience gets taken from you and it’ll always be reminder when anyone talks about first kisses. Sam didnt know about about Charlie’s abuse at the time. But it really showed that she loved him as a person and didn’t want the same to happen to him, it makes me bawl every time I watch it
I love that y’all really honed into what was happening and the gravity of it! Y’all’s reactions are awesome!!!!
watching reactions to this movie is a really good test to see if i trust the opinions of who i'm watching, and i definitely feel like y'all passed the test, lol. i connect to this movie in a LOT of ways and i think seeing you guys feel the way you did about all of it was really validating and also just fun and relatable too.
Can't even begin to describe how much I love this movie. Never read the book, but saw it when it came out. This was my exact style of friend group all through high school. I was insanely shy and awkward until the last half of sophomore year when I joined theater. Theater tended to pull people from every single clique and background, and I had a friend like every single person in this movie, and there's so much relatable stuff it's unreal.
One of my all time favourite movies for sure. And I especially love zuff’s reaction to this it’s too funny 😂
Same I was going through shit and a friend gave me her copy of the book, I read it and immediately related to so much. A week after I finished the book I saw the trailer for the movie on tv. This movie is a classic for my generation.
this is one of the best book-to-movie adaptations ever
omggg I love this movie I watched it for the first time randomly at like 3am and I was crying so much 😭
i love this movie and book so much. it was executed so beautifully in the film and the cast was absolutely perfect. the way they demonstrate mental illness, sexual abuse, etc. really gets the point across without being super graphic and really hits you in the feels and gives you an understanding of the place charlie was in at the time. if anyone hasnt read the book you really should because its just as good if not better than the film.
Thanks for this review. This movie gets me every time.
this movie found me in my most darkest times and i think it only made me love this movie more.
This is such a good movie. The ending is so beautiful, made me cry
This movie was so beautiful, i loved the book but for the first time I have even stronger feelings about the movie more that the book, the whole cast did an amazing job but Logan was perfect
Zach saying Peter Jackson sent me 😂😂🤣
Ponytail Derrick is also in Minutemen 😂
OMG he does give Clay Jensen vibes !
omg i can't believe I just found this ...I've been following you guys for a while now and even became a Patreon, this is one of my favourite movies .....look forward to seeing your reaction
This is my favorite movie! It really tackles what being sa’d is like and depression
I've grown to love all of you 🙂 Love your channel
Came for the cute guy in the middle, but stayed for this awesome reaction.
finally someone else says this 😭 rob is fine
All of them are hella fine 😭
nah I thought it was just me who thought they were fine asf😭 always love their reactions too tho
"Came for the cute guy in the middle" 💀
You’re the cute guy in the middle
“a truck?!”
“a semi?” 😭😭
I absolutely love this movie, I don't think I can ever not cry no matter how many times I watch it.
one of my all time favorites. Great reaction guys
LOL Bryce: What is a trapper keeper?
Me: Oh shit! Seriously?!? God, that one made me feel old. LOL
I'm in my 30s, and the first time I remember hearing Heroes was after I discovered Johnny Depp is in a band called Hollywood Vampires during the Amber Heard courthouse drama. I heard their cover and loved the song only to discover it was originally from David Bowie. I know Bowie from Labyrinth and Space Oddity. I listened to Black Star after he passed and absolutely loved the whole album.
I was in high-school in the early 2000's. This move takes place in the 90's. I can absolutely attest that, unless you remembered the lyrics, there really wasn't a way to rediscover a song you once heard. Even if you remembered a few lyrics, someone would have to know the song and those lyrics to help you out. The internet was something new and a Yahoo or Altavista search probably would yield the song title.
Nowadays, the entirety of human knowledge is at our fingertips with our phones. In the 90's, that tech was only just beginning. In another 30 years, I wonder what kids will think of our lives today.
LMAO I LITERALLY SPIT MY DRINK WITH PETER JACKSON HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
I remember in my high school English class we read the book and watched the movie. I liked it a lot
This movie and book hit too close to home for me when I was younger. It still does and I love it.
it’s literally one of the most beautiful films ever 🥹
So the author of perks of being a wallflower was from Pittsburgh which there are some Pittsburgh references like ides and the rocky shows haha this is my all time fav movie reminds me of me with my time in highschool
My favorite movie ever ❤️ GUYS... Did you know , the director is also the writer of the book - stephen chbosky and Emma watson interviewed him a few years ago, for his new book - but he talked Perks too, and he has made a new ending. Charlie writes a last letter - i think supposedly a decade later, and it confirmed him and sam being together (if i don't remember wrong) .... so if you buy the book now, it has this new chapter in it. that's so cool.
movies with paul rudd >>>>
This is my favorite book and movie as well, I’m so happy you guys did a reaction to this!
oh my god zuff is such a sweetheart
this movie never fails to make me cry like a baby 💔
“Peter Jackson”
“ i feel like hermione might walk in on them” “Hermione is not in this movie”
PLSSS zuff is so funny 😂
I think you guys should react to the movie Dead Poets Society or Basketball Diaries 👍
Agreed!
This is one of my favorite films and is my favorite novel.
thanks for the heads up on the subscription/viewer data! I didn't know I wasn't a sub since you guys always appear in my homepage :)
I found you guys recently and I love you sm
Great reaction. New subscriber! Hell of a movie. Definitely one more ppl should see.
Logan Lerman was absolutely perfect in this role.
Oof, I did not like how old I felt when their identifying TV show for Dylan Mcdermott was AHS, when my brain immediately went to The Practice
I Did that once and flew out! No you didnt..🤣 stopped that lie fast af
Oh look the film that destroyed me! 🙃😭😂 Nah fr though, thank you for reacting to this film, it's amazing, logan lerman, Emma Watson, nina dobrev AND Paul rudd?? 😩🤙
Edit: Damn, how could I forget Mae Whitman! (Mary-Elizabeth)
11:09 isnt that what Dionysus calls Percy in the books? 😂
Thanks, Rob! Thanks, Bryce! Thanks, Zuff! 🌺 #ReelTime #StephenChbosky #ThePerksOfBeingAWallflower
Zuff knows his shit, emma’s THE girl