WinWing Orion 2 HOTAS Initial Impressions
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- Welcome to our WinWing Orion 2 HOTAS Unboxing, Assembly, and Initial Impressions!
Stick Unboxing 0:43
Gimbal Unboxing 7:16
Damper Install 18:17
Stick Install 26:46
Damper Adjustment 29:31
Damper Greasing 32:57
Throttle Grip Unboxing 38:15
Throttle frame Assembly 41:45
Throttle Unboxing 50:35
Throttle Impressions 1 52:07
Throttle Assembly 56:34
Throttle Impressions 2 1:14:43
Apache flight thoughts 1:19:37
F-16 flight thoughts 1:22:01
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Intel i9 12900K
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32GB DDR 4 3600 RAM
2x 1TB M.2 NVME SSD
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GeForce RTX 3080
NZXT i510 case (modified)
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VKB Gunfighter Mk.III with Kosmosima Right Premium and MCGU
Winwing Orion 2 Gimbal with F-16 Stick with Spring+Shake
VKB Gladiator NXT Left Premium (Omni)
Xbox Controller (for TEDAC)
Winwing Orion Throttle
Winwing Orion 2 Throttle with F-16 grip
VKB T-Rudder Pedals
Foxx Mounts x2
MonsterTech long mount
I'm those guy when a game got released and everyone got excited
'hey, on which platform you will play this?'
'youtube' hahaha
So the same happen when it's about high-end flight sim gear setup, lol. I really enjoy this build and play it on my second monitor while working/eating.
Thanks!
Many many thanks for your videos !
It's great to know what is happening inside your base before even open it !
After a lot of tests i brought the Orion 2 F16EX combo to my likings.
Pitch axe : NC-1S cam with medium spring, damping kit greased with just a bit tension (very light) (refueling never was easier)
Roll axe : NC-ARC cam with medium spring
I tried the NC cams again, and absolutely hated them, went back to the SC-1 cams
@@FalconsLedge
I could tell from the video that you are no fan of the no center cams.
If you are like precision flight the no center cams is a revelation.
I discovered that when i changed the AviaSim cams from the standard soft center to the no center ones in my WarBRD base.
Air to air refuelling, formation flying became 10 times easier at once.
And i have my Deadzones and Curvature to O's, now that i am experienced after countless hours of training and top quality controllers.
in my WarBRD Mongoos T-50CM2 combo I use in the pitch axe no center cam with heavy springs and in the roll axe no center cam with standard springs.
Virpil's springs are on another lever.
@@PanosIvRS yeah I am well aware of the mechanics behind it all. It's about feel. The NS cans feel sloppy, I hate them on dual cam sticks. Remember that the CM3 is not a dual cam stick so that's different. Dual cam sticks don't center well because of their design. I'll have a Virpil CM3 in a month or so
Have this and the Orion 2 throttle with F/A 18 grips with finger lifts on order. I am a bit worried that it’s coming from China, and a bit apprehensive should any of it develop a fault and then have to return it (with postage costs etc!). But from what I have heard they do try to help you resolve and send the parts needed. Which I don’t mind because that normally resolves it sooner. Have experienced this kind of service from credible sim racing gear manufacturers.
I have an Orion 1 with F-18 grips, I'll likely pick up some finger lifts for the O2 to use the F-18 grips with it.
My recommendation on support would be to rely on the community as much as possible, the HOTAS/HOSAS discord is good, and is in my video descriptions. I frequent those groups too.
I haven't had an interaction with customer service yet. I have had interactions with VKB Customer service and when going through their discord its great. They are also located in china.
Good grief that throttle rail seemed like it took some tweaking. I suppose it's trickiest the first time but even still,, the prospect of hotswapping handles isn't SUPER alluring but neither is the cost of having a dedicated handle on separate throttle bases.
It does take some adjustment to get it right the first time, I'll be doing a video swapping the F-18 grips on. If the rail doesn't have to be removed, that will be great!
good work on going through the motions :)
Did you pay for it or was it given to you free to review? Browsing the DCS and MSFS channels I see nothing but complaints from anyone that actually paid for one with their hard earned money.
I paid for this myself.
It has pros and cons.
It really comes down to what you do. If you fly a specific model of plane in DCS, and that's what you want to do. I think WW has a good solution for this.
If you fly a variety and you want a one size fits all solution. Then you have some other choices that would be better.
If you are a "bang for your buck" person, I'd go with the gladiator NXT and STECS mini from VKB.
If you want to spend more consider the Gunfighter 4 and STECS standard, or a Virpil warbrd-d/CM3 and associated throttle instead.
regarding the warthog connector:
The warthog uses a mini-din-5 connector, which is not the same as for ps/2 mouse and keyboard. The orion uses a mini-din-6 connector, which happens to be the same as what ps/2 uses. mini-din-5 and mini-din-6 cannot physically connect, so compatability between orion and warthog parts would if possible require some form of adapter.
Yeah I learned that after. Very similar but not the same. Honestly though the winwing grips are better anyway.
Metal is realistic? Going to be like a real plane, cold in the winter hot in the summer.
Many aircraft sticks are made of resin, not metal. Resin shares far more in common with ABS than metal
@@FalconsLedge Real airplanes, because I have been in a bunch of real ones and they aren't plastic.
@@davidwhite2011 many aircraft use resin sticks. I've also been in many aircraft. I never said all aircraft.
You can pull a little of the cable out from the main body of the throttle to alleviate the tension. It's not well advertised, but there is some slack in the cable, you just have to pull it out a ways.
Yep, I did do that, it was that way on the Orion 1 as well
Nice! But crazy amount of assembly required. Do all throttles of this caliber require that much assembly and adjustment?
No because this one is the only one with that rail system
Its actually very easy, lots of videos on TH-cam. I just got my F-16EX throttle and it was very easy. Very well made and engineered products.
11:38 thats what she said
@@growbro365 nice
Someone that doesn't have access to that 767a grease, with Teflon tape be sufficient. Or Vaseline simple Vaseline. I've seen you can use Teflon but they did not specify Teflon tape. Or is there a special Teflon grease? The reason why I asked it will be specifically for helos or Hilo is my natural habitat in life and in DCs. Of course we're flying the DCS Apache and Huey's of such not the actual US army due to primary logistics. There are some bugs in there. Also, as far as the mods on DCS. Hopefully they'll get that worked out. I pull a 180 in the Apache and it wants to freaking drop to the ground even with full collective. I'm using the same demonstration and I do have the dampeners now. I just want to know if it'd be proficient to use Teflon tape. Just wrap it once and slide it back in. Or simple thin Vaseline cuz I don't have that type of Grease. What are your thoughts?
Trying to decide between the VKB nxt evo with the winwing Orion 2 throttle, or the Orion 2 throttle with the F16EX stick, what one do you recommend? (All of them stock, I really don’t want to spend $50 for a set of dampeners for the F16EX)
The NXT EVO is a great stick, king of the mid range. But Once you get into the territory of comparing a plastic gimbal (interior of the stick base) to a plastic one. I've got to go with the metal. I've been using it a lot, I'm currently filming for the Pedals review, and it is a very good stick. If it were between the EVO and the F-16EX stick, I'll go with the F-16EX any day. Going between the Gunfighter MK.III and the F-16Ex, now there is a much more complicated comparison. One that I will certainly make.
@@FalconsLedge thanks for responding, do I necessarily need the dampeners or was that just personal preference?
@@Jesusavesbro that is personal preference. If you fly a lot of helos though they are nice to hold your stick where you put it.
@@FalconsLedgehave you put the WinWing through it’s paces? What are your thoughts. I have the orion 2 stick and throttle on order. I didn’t have the budget for Virpil or VKB. Does this come close to those?
@@mcsimracing7308 I have put the winwing Orion 1 throttle through its paces, the Orion 2 is still in its testing process (usually 1 month or so) So far it works fairly well. Stay tuned for the full review.
Is the accuracy and feel of the VKB Gladiator EVO NXT same as the Orion 2 flight stick with dampers? You had a very positive review of the EVO NXT.
Those two sticks are not in the same category. The Evo is the better bang for your buck, but the Orion is going to last longer. It is all metal whereas the Evo is all plastic. The Orion 2 competes with the gunfighter mk3. The Gunfighter in terms of feel and damping is far superior. The damping in the Orion stick is not very good.
That said, the Orion 2 is a very good device, I just think their dampers are poor. I'm filming the review of the Orion 2 right now
Good day, what has your experience been thus far with the dampers installed? More specifically have they held adjustment? I am tempted to buy but am frustrated that they are an additional purchase at this point and I have only had the F16ex + F18 throttle for only a week...
Eh, they are ok. These aren't real clutches. I swapped to all the different cams and what not. I absolutely hate the no center cams
@@FalconsLedge Could you share your current config? I dont feel that this accessory pack is well documented. Making it difficult to make an Informed buying decision. Oh and thank you for taking the time on the video in the first place!
@@alexd.3246 the one that I'm liking most is the sc-1S cams, and one of the lighter springs, that way I don't have to tighten the clutch at much
The center feeling loose has nothing to do with the springs, that is an issue related to the profile of the cams. I believe it comes with a very shallow center detent cam installed.
Yes I'm aware of the can being a no center cam. My no center cams on my other sticks don't feel extremely loose in the center. I find the Orion 2 to be overall under-sprung even with the largest springs. Some more preload might help, but that isn't adjustable.
I'm not saying it's a bad stick, just calling it how I see it.
Also I know I can buy a kit with more springs and cams for another $50 (even though I already bought one kit for $50, this is ridiculous by the way) but doing so I can't use the dampers. I'd rather have damping.
I am still working on trying the different cams available, I'll definitely tell everyone which one I like the most
@@FalconsLedge yeah it's a bit of a shame with Winwing. Lots of very promising looking stuff but when you go a little deeper on the matter their overall quality lags behind Virpil's in a lot of areas.
Nice video though, I love the Viper as well and have an F16EX throttle coming my way as well and I can't wait to try that out.
I've been lucky enough to get a hold of a Realsimulator stick base that I use a Warthog grip on.
@@FalconsLedge yes, the pricing (again) looks really competitive on the surface but then they charge you insane fees for shipping and their accessories are also crazy expensive.
@@Rohrkrepierer yeah and competitors offer the cams and springs included and things like that
I believe the dampener should come with the base being that they put the hardest spring and cam with the f16ex. No reason why I should have to pay $100 for a camset with dampeners. Dampeners create a dead stick for Helo pilots. United States Navy 89 to 96 cv67 carrier went to reserves 94. So now in DCS the reason why this should be a dead stick for Helo pilots is pilot fatigue. You can't get 100% forward speed with the initial setup shipped to you. No option cams came with or dampener for both axis to act as a dead stick for Helo flight. Over $500 and a $5 dampener which I have to purchase an entire camset to get. That's not a good thing. The product is great. Customer service is outstanding. But the simple ability to swap over to a standard to a dead stick is unavailable. And for WW not knowing the initial purpose, whether it be for jet or for helos should at least send the dampeners. That is my only complaint. To that I'm circumventing other high-end top shelf contractors. So I don't have to pay $150 USD for $0.50 dampeners USD. 🤔
Yup I agree
Thanks for the vid. What are your thoughts on the force sensing version?
I'm definitely going to try it and see. I like using extensions so it would not be something I'd use all the time
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