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@@smoothie3d46 if you like it good for you, lots of people like bad products, and from the sound of it you got a great deal. I hope it serves you well.

@@FalconsLedge For sure! You've made a very good review, I can see you're an experienced user, but some people can't get anything better for the price or their location, and sometimes it's just personal opinions. There will always be something better, but it's also good to enjoy what you have or you can get. This said keep up the good work, love your content.

@@smoothie3d46 this is where you are wrong unfortunately.The Winwing Ursa Minor can be purchased for the same price as a retail x56 and it is 100x better. And this is a big reason why I do this. I want to help people get the best they can for their money, no matter how much they spend. I hope you have a great day!

@@FalconsLedge yes you're right, in the US. I live in Italy but whoever asks me for an hotas outside of my country I'll consider this option, I searched for this and couldn't find it anywhere unfortunately. Is it only the stick? Seems pretty solid anyway

@@smoothie3d46 the stick costs 115 and has a Omni option so can be used as a throttle

@@TWC_BullDog October, how much are you looking to spend

@@TWC_BullDog and what to you fly

@@CoastalAtom don't, it's not worth it. Speaking as someone with infinitely more context and experience with basically everything in the market don't. "Flew fine" is only your observation because you don't have experience with other cost equivalent sticks. Buy Winwing ursas, or an Ursa and a TM TWCS, it is infinitely better Don't buy products from a company that doesn't care about your hobby! They haven't innovated or come out with any new combat sim hardware for over a decade

@@ElviraScott-l9f what are these comments about?

@@MonkeForce23thanks its all different now that I am running a NLR cockpit

@@lotuschamp7796 agree,I returned the one I tested because I was so disappointed

@@enochlearns6132 how much you looking to pay? I don't think there is anything Thrustmaster that matches Winwing dollar for dollar. The warthog is absolutely not worth it in 2024

VKB is worth a look

@@VerticalBlank as is winwing

If you have the money get the vkb nxt gladiator evo it has very very good sensors far better than t16000m or other low price hotas

@@gertaro Yes seconded. I went from T16000M to the VKB NXT Gladiator and it is night and day better

@@clintonadams7942 we will certainly see! So far it's mind blowing how awesome it is

@@RigstersJourney thanks I'll get that fixed

The Rhino and the Moza have virtually the same specs regarding max. torque. However the Rhino beats the Moza big time in regards to software and support (at least for now).

@@ShimonMaruani the Rhino is made by a single person, this is a production model, and the build quality is quite good. Expensive yes, but mass manufacturing will definitely help to bring the price down. Moza, and Winwing both have hardware that will likely rival the Rhino, but the software is the thing that for now will continue to set the Rhino apart. The Rhino is far ahead in this regard. I flew it for a couple days without the Rhino telemetry and it makes a HUGE difference.

@@MrSpinkser yeah the software is absolutely huge. I did reach out to Moza to see if they would be willing to send me a unit to compare.

@@FalconsLedge You know in a way it is a good thing. if the hardware is good , and software lacking, it can only get better. especially when talking about large company with big resource. If the hardware lacks, it means I am stack with what I got and I have to replace it or find a way to upgrade. That Rhino is great, but it will need to get smaller and cheaper to compete , or it will stay positioned as a botiuqe level product - and it is fine as well. as a consumer, I am holding all buying for bases, I was looking for good cyclic option as I main choppers. The CM3 I believe is the best for it. but the current state is that force feedback is the the futer. I don't need to use springs and cams, to open and re adjust. Just move a slider. and I can switch between platforms easy. If want to play chopper and switch to F16 - I will probably have to buy two bases. Any way MOZA and Winwing I hope you read it - SEND HIM TEST UNITS !!!! cheers

@ShimonMaruani as the software matures, we will either see Mozas hardware shine, or it will expose issues, we shall see. Either way, the competition will be good for all of us as consumers

Thanks!

@@Darrylx444 I actually added a 3rd screw because of that. I think I'm going to add a 4th

Mid range will be fun $150 - $280 (shipping to us included of course)

@@ronniepatterson2827 how much experience do you have to provide context to that decision? How many competitors have you used from this list? Also remember value is a huge pay of this.

@@EndersVRcade first and foremost, I am a hardware reviewer, not an ethics judge. That isn't going to change, I judge devices based on their capabilities, quality and design. I will not take sides in a dispute that could possibly be entirely legal. I still would not get involved if it isn't legal, that isn't for me to decide. Secondly I believe Winwing acquired the molds, likely from the manufacturer. Why do I believe this? There are a couple few ways to copy something like this. One way would be a "caliper copy" where you take the measurements of a device and recreate its form and function. I'm that case the device would closely resemble a product but parts, this is not that. It is recreated to the point of interchangeability. Not only that, the manufacturing marks are identical. This indicates that Winwing probably acquired the molds for the product, modified them for their use. I spoke to someone involved in manufacturing relativeky recently that was included in manufacturing parts (not for joysticks) in China. He said this is a pretty common activity, and typically a legal one in China. He also mentioned that if they had broken the law it would've been quite easy to block their import to the US and EU. Now that I've dove into something that really isn't my concern, my goal with this channel is to get people the best hardware they can get with their money. This goal does not include getting involved in or taking sides in battles between manufacturers. I am not on team winwing, nor am I on team VKB,or Team Virpil. I call it how I see it. I gave my audience the facts, told them how the device performs, and left the rest up to them. In this price category, the Winwing Ursa is by far the best device available, and the absolute bang for your buck king in this category. The gladiator isn't in this category. It will compete in the mid range. Finally, my personal feelings on the legal side of this issue is not something I share, just like I didn't take sides in the flicon thing, personal feelings on legal issues is just not what this channel is about. I appreciate you sharing your opinion on the subject, and I respect that it is yours and there is nothing wrong with disagreement. I appreciate your viewership, regardless of whether or not it continues, I hope you have an awesome time flying, I hope you enjoy your VKB hardware, and also have a great day.

Thank you for your thorough reply. I could quote different points and precedents about legality, but that was never what I stated as my concern. You are of course welcome to create content however you wish, but I stopped watching Noobifier when he covered Filicon with a similar statement of taking an amoral approach to reviewing and recommending products, so I will be doing the same with yours.

@@EndersVRcade Chinese legal precedents? That does matter, and again, if this was something VKB could take legal action in, I assure you, they would've. It's not an amoral stance, it's the fact that this isn't my business. I'm not in the business of judging companies on their ethical practices. I'm in the business of analyzing hardware. If you came here for moral stands, you came to the wrong place, sorry.

@@oldgamer1330 +-20 degrees

@@FalconsLedge Ah ok, how do you reduce it.

@@stratcat3216 thank you! I'm down 290, and still slowly trending down. I'm almost able to bench my weight again. I'm really feeling good!

@@semperumbra10 2x Winwing Ursa Minor. These are Miles ahead of this garbage, and from a company who's ecosystem isn't dead, and who actually cares about combat flight sims.

@@semperumbra10 more power to you! Some people are easily satisfied, and if you think about it, this is a big advantage, I hope it satisfies you for a long time.

@@cosmic4037 some people's standards are really low. ;) nothing wrong with that, it just means it's easier to satisfy you, and that's great. Continue loving it!

@@Trig0r the electronics are one of the worst parts about it. The sensors are literally the worst available in sticks of this cost bracket by far.

@@FalconsLedge my other half bought me one, I was looking at Winwing stuff, there's deffo a reason it was cheaper (£140 she paid for it) I don't get a huge amount of time to play these days so spending what the F16+Shaker+F15 throttle was gonna cost me probably wouldn't have been a good cost/time playing deal...

@@Trig0r keep the throttle, buy a Winwing Ursa as a stick $115. It will be much better than the x56 stick

@@humpahumpason7734 I fly right hand same as aircraft, since I fly DCS more than sc. Muscle memory is a thing

@@Top_pan if you've never experienced better you won't know it's bad. Once you try something better you'll see just how horrible they are. Just buy a Winwing Ursa Minor stick and use it with the x52 throttle and it will be considerably improved.

@@growbro365 nice

@@guiguiwagner7764 yes, two Winwing Ursa minors, if you want hotas go with the left hand a Omni grip. Hell if you must have a throttle get a TWCS and an Ursa Minor Point is: 1. Don't buy into a dead ecosystem. There hasn't been any new hardware from Logitech for over a decade, and there isn't anything new coming. 2. Some buy hardware from a company that doesn't care about your hobby. The difference between the Ursa and the x56 it's absolutely huge.

@@FalconsLedge ok thanks ill check for these sticks and throttles

@@FalconsLedge ok so I checked them and like are they actually good? The material looks so fragile, but I'm trusting you right now, so do you actually think this 2 are the best option?

I'm from Brazil as well and my advice for you is, if you are short on money, it's not reasonable to invest like ~R$2500 (roughly US$450) in this shitty outdated x56 hotas which is sold from a company that isn't even focused on making flight simulation peripherals (they bought Saitek, the original manufacturer of the x56, and later rebranded it to Logitech). I mean, their mouses, keyboards and stuff are OK, but when it comes down to gaming oriented systems, they really lack quality and stand way behind companies that actually care for the simulation market, like Winwing as mentioned, or VKBSim, another outstanding brand. If you don't want to waste your money on bad quality outdated stuff, and don't have enough money to spend on more expensive top-tier HOTAS like Virpil or Winwing, I suggest buying the VKB Gladiator NXT Evo stick first, and then saving for the VKB STECS throttle later on. VKBSim has an official store in Aliexpress from their China branch, and don't be fooled by thinking that it's fake or poor quality just because it's manufactured in China (as most people joke about). Winwing is also chinese and is one of the best rated rigs amongst the hardcore gamers, and VKB is no different in this sense. As of now (08/2024), the VKB Gladiator NXT Evo costs R$973,28 (~US$175) + shipping costs of ~R$150 (~US$27) + importation taxes (which you may get if you are unlucky, but seems they are charging somewhere inbetween R$200 - 300).

@@MatheusHenrique-mr4ed very much so, this is certainly what I recommend

@dim-q-pire1749 I have seen no wear at all in the cable, they also use connectors on all connections as far as I can see. It is a very robust device.

@@FalconsLedge Wow, that is a very speedy reply! Thank you a lot! :D (P.S. You've gained yourself another subscriber)

@@dim-q-pire1749I'm happy to help in any way, and thanks!

@@leaf3909 these are not as high end as mfgs. Can you remobe the spring in mfgs?

Do you rate mfgs higher than winwing? ​@@FalconsLedge

@@leaf3909 I'd say mfgs are a bit higher quality. These do have some very nice features. They are close enough in quality that I wouldn't sell these to buy mfgs.

@@extrajava9175 without a doubt 2x Winwing Ursa minors, can't beat them at that price

Free shipping in US of you select Continental US not global shipping

@@eric90000 I covered the GF3, I'd love to review the GF4