A chain for the frame + an Ulock for the wheel + an alarm is what I use on my ebike. I also take the battery out it’s 80 pounds so they won’t get far if they take it. Also has a tracker. I honestly think we should be able to shoot thieves on sight for all the precautions we have to take.
Being able to stand makes a difference. In the field you’d be crouching on one knee, or sitting on the ground. And being attached to a frame it’s gonna jump around a lot more also. I have the same chain for my ebike (two years) and no one has even tried to defeat it yet. No lock is theft proof, but this one will put up the hardest fight.
That's exactly what I was thinking, I've seen videos of people demonstrating how tough it is to cut through these Krypto locks. They always have it on a flat surface, with the chain in mid air it would be much harder to cut through.
The fact that the link requires 2 cuts means that most thieves will move onto the next bike. Too much noise & too much time. Your lock will never be "thief proof", it just has to be harder than the next one.
Sadly, the one true defence I've found is having a bike nobody wants. My 1994 mountain bike survived 4.5 years of frequent use with just a £10 lock. The other side: young guys found it so worthless while chained-up they kicked it over in disgust. London is full of old steel-framed bikes - seems others have the same idea.
Had my ebike stolen from a metal shed with 2 thick locks using an angle grinder. Found it listed on Facebook marketplace. Arranged a meet up but the cops didn't turn up when called. I plan to carry an angle grinder around myself now.
Great video. There is very little anyone can do against a well-equipped and highly motivated thief. The best anyone can hope for is deterrence so that criminals move on to something that will be less hassle. Thankfully cutting through hardened metal with an angle grinder is really, really noisy, so that's a plus as well.
Sadly nobody cares, you see videos of thieves cutting locks and people just walking by doing nothing. I’m fairly certain the police wouldn’t even show up (at least not in time) even if a call was made. Police would rather spend their time giving tickets to people for not having a light on their bike than responding to actual thefts.
A little more pressure on the grinder to not kill off too much speed and a pair of vice grips (which any thief that has a portable grinder would have) to hold the link would have gotten through in about half that time. Either way, Any 3T manganese chain with 9mm links or greater are a excellent deterrent.
It’s probably the strongest chain-and also the heaviest. People don’t want to get involved and maybe get hurt, so they will walk on by, pretending they didn’t see anything. In a high risk area, I have started using the Skunklock. With high-pressure, vomit-inducing gas that stays on the clothes and forms a cloud about ten feet in diameter, my guess is the thief would lose all interest in stealing the bike-or any bike until he quits vomiting and maybe changes his pants.
These locks get cut all the time. Just had one on my bike, bike was gone next day lock was on the ground. This was done in the train station right next to the guard house. No lock is safe, especially this one. It was very easily cut off my bike
thank you for the video. I am sure thief would have no such comfort of being able to place the link at convenient angle to make the cut. Also the chain is flexible and it will have enough play to make grinder slip or bite
A thief would be more practiced and expert having done it many times. I think this chain is probably the safest you can buy. My own bike was securely chained to a metal drainpipe and it was stolen on a busy street and nobody noticed. My point is your bike is never safe unless you can see it yourself.
I try to keep the chain from touching the ground so the thief cannot stabilizer the chain link against the ground. I use three locks for my cargo bike. A 7 mm chain through the wheel to post, a 12 mm chain through frame and post, and a very small wheel lock between rim and spokes.
@@langhamp8912 ye the same thing i was thinking if the chain is hanging off the bike and not touching the floor they cannot cut it with a angle grinder probably the metal pole that u locked ur bike to will be a easyer target lmao + the wire cutters u woud need thoes fireman hydraulic cutters to cut the lock + u woud need to cut it twice lmao
@@Tuffjobs you have all the answers. Seems your cheering for bike thieves. Btw your cutting this chain in a controlled environment. A bike thief in a real world scenario would have some problems cutting the chain with an angle grinder. Can't keep chain steady as links have some play and slack. Next is the sustainable noise the grinder will make. Finally in my neighborhood if bike thief is caught red handed its shoot first ask questions later.
I have the same chain in a 12 mm thick model with the same lock plus an alarm. I will rarely leave the bike unattended anyway, but if locked up properly in a populated area I feel pretty good about leaving my ebike for a short period of time.
The real problem is bike components. The frame is only one valuable part of the bike. My saddle, bars, pedals and especially wheels are worth thousands. I only use my bike in the countryside. I never leave it unattended. My first bike was stolen. I’d owned it for a day. It was chained to a down pipe outside university on a busy sidewalk. They probably pulled up in a van, cut the lock and drove off without anyone stopping them or reporting it.
Do you believe thieves are going to be so noisy and try to cut the chain with a conventional grinder? The new trend for them is to use a dental technician grinder I don't know how it works but this is info from police officer.
The police told me that bike thieves are brazen. They don’t care. If challenged they’ll just say they’ve lost the padlock keys and the bike belongs to them.
what are you doing a thieth would not spend this much time he would stand on the lock it make it so it's not moving about so u can put full presure on it and cut it in 20 seconds or so
True. It’s a great chain. However it was my first attempt. I’m sure I could cut much faster using a non-battery grinder or just with more practice. I’m not a professional thief. I’m a cyclist conducting an experiment. Criminals will be far more expert than me. Of course any padlock only protects the frame and maybe the wheels. There are so many expensive components on bikes these days.
These locks get cut all the time. Just had one on my bike, bike was gone next day lock was on the ground. This was done in the train station right next to the guard house. No lock is safe, especially this one. It was very easily cut off my bike
@@supertouring22 They removed the lock within 60 seconds using a battery powered angle grinder. Brazenly in public in front of witnesses and cameras. Never got caught, cops said they don't investigate bike theft
I didn’t want to sacrifice the lock. I think it would take several minutes to cut. At the end of the day this lock and chain will make them think twice, hold them up or make them try another bike. Only way to stop them is to never leave your bike alone.
@@Tuffjobs Look on other channels for examples of this and other gold standard locks being cut. I bought the bordo granit xplus rated 15 for $260.00. grinder will cut through it in 16 seconds. The reason your struggling to cut it is you don't have tension on it. That lock can be easily cut with the larger bolt cutters too. It's kind of disheartening I know.
@@Tuffjobs whatever helps you sleep at night. Did you bother to look up the videos I described? The chain locks are incredibly easy to cut with the extra large bolt cutters.
@@Tuffjobs the lock is tough but still weaker than the link in this case. plus with a lock you usually only need to make one cut and it opens. in almost all pictures of stolen gear the thief cuts at the lock.
Wii subsand the destroying a 100 pound or wateva they cost is a bit crazy there's wood of ppl who have done this there is no bike lock out there that can withstands grinder cos a grinder blade is like sand and rock and send and rock is basicly like glass and glass is harder than steel so it has 2 cut u i thought about making 1 out of glass and steal so I can't cut through the class kindov
What Kryptonite model chain is that? Yea you'd need to make 2 cuts. Good enough for me I believe. Let me know what Kryptonite part number this chain is please. I need this ASAP.
@@Tuffjobs I ended up getting the New York Noose 1275 Chain Lock. It's rated 9-10 out of 10. Instead of the 14mm links it's got 12mm links and it's a few lbs lighter and easier to handle.
The shackle of the lock is 1mm thicker than the chain with around the same hardness as the chain. The shackle is also designed so that you can't twist it so you would still need to make 2 cuts, just through thicker material.
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A chain for the frame + an Ulock for the wheel + an alarm is what I use on my ebike. I also take the battery out it’s 80 pounds so they won’t get far if they take it. Also has a tracker. I honestly think we should be able to shoot thieves on sight for all the precautions we have to take.
I agree! 💥
I just pre-ordered the LiteLok X3 and I ordered the new york fahgettaboudit too
Surron?
It's taking too long.
I'd rather live elsewhere if I had to take so much precaution to just use a bicycle...
At least I kno he won’t hear my foot steps when im walking with my hole maker
It's probably easier and quicker for the thief to rob the bank that the bike is locked up in front of lol
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Being able to stand makes a difference. In the field you’d be crouching on one knee, or sitting on the ground. And being attached to a frame it’s gonna jump around a lot more also. I have the same chain for my ebike (two years) and no one has even tried to defeat it yet. No lock is theft proof, but this one will put up the hardest fight.
I agree!
That's exactly what I was thinking, I've seen videos of people demonstrating how tough it is to cut through these Krypto locks. They always have it on a flat surface, with the chain in mid air it would be much harder to cut through.
The fact that the link requires 2 cuts means that most thieves will move onto the next bike. Too much noise & too much time. Your lock will never be "thief proof", it just has to be harder than the next one.
@@rowey1992 exactly
Sadly, the one true defence I've found is having a bike nobody wants. My 1994 mountain bike survived 4.5 years of frequent use with just a £10 lock. The other side: young guys found it so worthless while chained-up they kicked it over in disgust. London is full of old steel-framed bikes - seems others have the same idea.
Had my ebike stolen from a metal shed with 2 thick locks using an angle grinder. Found it listed on Facebook marketplace. Arranged a meet up but the cops didn't turn up when called. I plan to carry an angle grinder around myself now.
It’s incredible how brazen these thieves can be. The simply don’t care about being caught.
@@Tuffjobs it is. The guy that stole my bike works as a gardener in my local area. Man is eating where he shits
Thanks for the valuable information. I was really curious on how long would it take.
Great video. There is very little anyone can do against a well-equipped and highly motivated thief. The best anyone can hope for is deterrence so that criminals move on to something that will be less hassle. Thankfully cutting through hardened metal with an angle grinder is really, really noisy, so that's a plus as well.
Thanks 🙏
Sadly nobody cares, you see videos of thieves cutting locks and people just walking by doing nothing. I’m fairly certain the police wouldn’t even show up (at least not in time) even if a call was made. Police would rather spend their time giving tickets to people for not having a light on their bike than responding to actual thefts.
Actually impressive.
That poor cactus catching sparks . Nice video though thanks for doing it
A little more pressure on the grinder to not kill off too much speed and a pair of vice grips (which any thief that has a portable grinder would have) to hold the link would have gotten through in about half that time. Either way, Any 3T manganese chain with 9mm links or greater are a excellent deterrent.
Finally someone who doesn't use a vice and/or main powered angle. grinder
But a sh1tty "Toolzone" disc though
It’s probably the strongest chain-and also the heaviest. People don’t want to get involved and maybe get hurt, so they will walk on by, pretending they didn’t see anything. In a high risk area, I have started using the Skunklock. With high-pressure, vomit-inducing gas that stays on the clothes and forms a cloud about ten feet in diameter, my guess is the thief would lose all interest in stealing the bike-or any bike until he quits vomiting and maybe changes his pants.
Is that a legitimate product? Sounds a bit dangerous!
I saw that lock! Hopefully you'll never have to see how it performs in a real life situation, but if you do, I'd love to hear about it!
@@Tuffjobs I think it's illegal in the UK, but yes it's real
The u lock is the weak point on this lock. It just needs one cut to get the chain trough it sadly. And it does not move around as the chain.
Good stuff thank you sir. I'm sold on this chain!
These locks get cut all the time. Just had one on my bike, bike was gone next day lock was on the ground. This was done in the train station right next to the guard house. No lock is safe, especially this one. It was very easily cut off my bike
@@MrT-tn4qehow do you know it was "easy"?
thank you for the video. I am sure thief would have no such comfort of being able to place the link at convenient angle to make the cut. Also the chain is flexible and it will have enough play to make grinder slip or bite
A thief would be more practiced and expert having done it many times. I think this chain is probably the safest you can buy. My own bike was securely chained to a metal drainpipe and it was stolen on a busy street and nobody noticed. My point is your bike is never safe unless you can see it yourself.
I try to keep the chain from touching the ground so the thief cannot stabilizer the chain link against the ground. I use three locks for my cargo bike. A 7 mm chain through the wheel to post, a 12 mm chain through frame and post, and a very small wheel lock between rim and spokes.
@@Tuffjobs get one of thoes alarms that starts to go off when u touch the bike + its a horn
@@langhamp8912 ye the same thing i was thinking if the chain is hanging off the bike and not touching the floor they cannot cut it with a angle grinder probably the metal pole that u locked ur bike to will be a easyer target lmao + the wire cutters u woud need thoes fireman hydraulic cutters to cut the lock + u woud need to cut it twice lmao
@@Tuffjobs you have all the answers. Seems your cheering for bike thieves. Btw your cutting this chain in a controlled environment. A bike thief in a real world scenario would have some problems cutting the chain with an angle grinder. Can't keep chain steady as links have some play and slack. Next is the sustainable noise the grinder will make. Finally in my neighborhood if bike thief is caught red handed its shoot first ask questions later.
I have the same chain in a 12 mm thick model with the same lock plus an alarm. I will rarely leave the bike unattended anyway, but if locked up properly in a populated area I feel pretty good about leaving my ebike for a short period of time.
The real problem is bike components. The frame is only one valuable part of the bike. My saddle, bars, pedals and especially wheels are worth thousands. I only use my bike in the countryside. I never leave it unattended. My first bike was stolen. I’d owned it for a day. It was chained to a down pipe outside university on a busy sidewalk. They probably pulled up in a van, cut the lock and drove off without anyone stopping them or reporting it.
@@Tuffjobs this is true and worse comes to worst they could cut the frame and take everything else. Especially attractable if an e-bike nowadays.
dont feel safe mine went in 90 seconds never again
@@bigbaz-1218 what lock did u have?
Oxford HD was gone 90 seconds
Do you believe thieves are going to be so noisy and try to cut the chain with a conventional grinder? The new trend for them is to use a dental technician grinder I don't know how it works but this is info from police officer.
The police told me that bike thieves are brazen. They don’t care. If challenged they’ll just say they’ve lost the padlock keys and the bike belongs to them.
Those are even louder!
What's the chain thickness? 12/13/14mm?
what are you doing a thieth would not spend this much time he would stand on the lock it make it so it's not moving about so u can put full presure on it and cut it in 20 seconds or so
It took you over a minute to cut but look what you have to use. I guess you can cut it faster if you had a "Rocket Launcher" or "C4".
True. It’s a great chain. However it was my first attempt. I’m sure I could cut much faster using a non-battery grinder or just with more practice. I’m not a professional thief. I’m a cyclist conducting an experiment. Criminals will be far more expert than me. Of course any padlock only protects the frame and maybe the wheels. There are so many expensive components on bikes these days.
These locks get cut all the time. Just had one on my bike, bike was gone next day lock was on the ground. This was done in the train station right next to the guard house. No lock is safe, especially this one. It was very easily cut off my bike
Next day? How long did they take?
@@supertouring22 They removed the lock within 60 seconds using a battery powered angle grinder. Brazenly in public in front of witnesses and cameras. Never got caught, cops said they don't investigate bike theft
Would this particular lock withstand the grinder as the chain did or would it not allow itself to be cut?
I didn’t want to sacrifice the lock. I think it would take several minutes to cut. At the end of the day this lock and chain will make them think twice, hold them up or make them try another bike. Only way to stop them is to never leave your bike alone.
But what if u cut the actual lock that the chain is connected to ? Then that kinda defeats the purpose of owning a chain lock right?
The lock looks indestructible and I suspect would take much longer to cut.
@@Tuffjobs really I heard an angle grinder takes a lot longer to cut through chain oppose to a U lock.
A thieve is NOT going to spend too much time stealing a bike or scooter making all kind of loud noise in public.
they would cut through the padlock not the chain as that is easier to get through i've seen some other video's of people using angle grinders on them
Good point. I didn’t want to damage the lock because I’ll probably sell the chain and lock. I’m not letting my bike out of my sight!
This chain is not secured with a padlock :)
Not if its closed shackle type,which is what you would use with this if you valued your bike
Funny, I've seen people cut through this chain in less than 15 seconds.
Nonsense.
@@Tuffjobs Look on other channels for examples of this and other gold standard locks being cut. I bought the bordo granit xplus rated 15 for $260.00. grinder will cut through it in 16 seconds. The reason your struggling to cut it is you don't have tension on it. That lock can be easily cut with the larger bolt cutters too. It's kind of disheartening I know.
@@aquious953 absolute nonsense. This chain does not allow “tension”. It’s half an inch thick hardened steel.
@@Tuffjobs whatever helps you sleep at night. Did you bother to look up the videos I described? The chain locks are incredibly easy to cut with the extra large bolt cutters.
@@aquious953 They usually cut the mini D-lock.
Thanks
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Maybe your grinder is cheap.
Metabo is one of the best when it comes to angle grinders. A lot on the field at union iron worker sites.
Thats almost 20mins trying to cut through the chain, it ain't worth it.
Even being filmed in daylight in a public place the thieves brazen it out.
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001b81r
Brazen hussies
don't you think they would just cut the lock since it's weaker?
The lock doesn’t look weak. It looks very substantial. The trouble with this chain and lock is the weight. It’s very heavy.
@@Tuffjobs the lock is tough but still weaker than the link in this case. plus with a lock you usually only need to make one cut and it opens. in almost all pictures of stolen gear the thief cuts at the lock.
That's way too much work and way too much noise for a bike thief.
Nah! They’ll just say the bike belongs to them and they’ve lost the keys. Never underestimate the brazen criminal mind.
@@Tuffjobs my baseball bat will get them to confess. Lol
@@Tuffjobs My kryptonite lock has the combo on it. What does the thief say then that a decent police officer wouldn’t think is total bullshit?
Thx
Wii subsand the destroying a 100 pound or wateva they cost is a bit crazy there's wood of ppl who have done this there is no bike lock out there that can withstands grinder cos a grinder blade is like sand and rock and send and rock is basicly like glass and glass is harder than steel so it has 2 cut u i thought about making 1 out of glass and steal so I can't cut through the class kindov
Wrong,fool.Litelok is grinder resistant.
What Kryptonite model chain is that? Yea you'd need to make 2 cuts. Good enough for me I believe. Let me know what Kryptonite part number this chain is please. I need this ASAP.
I still have the chain. Would you like to buy it? It’s like new except for one missing link. L
lance.black@yahoo.com
It’s the Kryptonite NY FUGGETTABOUT IT
@@Tuffjobs I ended up getting the New York Noose 1275 Chain Lock. It's rated 9-10 out of 10. Instead of the 14mm links it's got 12mm links and it's a few lbs lighter and easier to handle.
@@ozzie444 the best security is to never leave your bike unattended 👍
Cut the lockbar not the chain 😂
The shackle of the lock is 1mm thicker than the chain with around the same hardness as the chain. The shackle is also designed so that you can't twist it so you would still need to make 2 cuts, just through thicker material.
Taking too long and making too much noise.
I’m not the thief
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It took you 1O mins and there goes your blade, och eye!!
I’m not a thief. An experienced thief could probably manage it in 5 minutes.
5 seconds more like.Let me at it with my flexvolt grinder and 0.8mm discs@@Tuffjobs