STORMGATE - Azure vs TheOry! - Supercup R1 M2
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Ex-SC2 Pro TheOry (Infernals) vs Top Australian SC2 Pro Azure (Vanguard) in StormGate!
Best of 3 from the Artosis Supercup 1 during the Closed Beta Session 1.
Round 1, Match 2.
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There is a problem with visual clarity I notice. I have a hard time seeing which expansions players took on the minimap.
Yeah they need to go with a more red blue color scheme
Ryan Schutter (UX designer) has said a better colour subsystem is in the works. th-cam.com/video/40ouXCOQL3A/w-d-xo.htmlsi=54EMGTBGgZrCENle
I LOVE that you were able to cast these matches. I’ve been waiting eagerly to see more competitive stormgate ❤
Yes!! More Stormgate!!!
I just saw you had this channel. I'm glad you are posting StormGate stuff. I've been wanting to see some more StormGate content. Maybe some Zero Space as well?
your boy (me) is super confused. I have no idea whos units are who's; The colours all blend together, something I'm sure they're going to sort this out in due time.
You can't tell the difference between the humans and demons? Wew.
The balance of Hedgehogs now seems way more interesting that it seemed at first.
They really have to keep pressuring at all times if they're going to be your main line of defense, or you'll quickly get overwhelmed when the Infernals amass enough units to take the fight to you. They're just not fit for static fights.
still a silly name for a unit
i feel like vanguard could win this matchup if they pulled back after the initial hedgehog harass, turtled with better sim city, and went straight into lancer/vulcan instead of wasting gold on exos. game 1 looked winnable at the end if he didnt fall as far behind.
The game was a blast. I have a question for the beta players I saw DreamHack Atlanta and Artosis cast (ofc) Vanguard hasn't won a game since. The balance seems to be favoring Infernals atm right?
It might. The devs will def get a better feel of the balance state come February
Love the Stormgate content!
It's crazy how Stormgate being in closed beta already better than most RTS. At that "old blizzard" level of quality almost.
Bro yeah I jumped like everytime he spawned the Fiends, lol. I absolutely loved that though. Those fights were fun to watch!
Oh I like that, "a cloud of fiends" sounds ominous af.
edit: Does anyone know if the units housed in those bunkers gain veterancy levels?
what kind of van do they have to guard? like in fortnite?
Very nice casting. Do hope that gunfire gets toned down. A bit too immersive!
Wow plz all games of this tournament
I reslly dislike the shroud, makes you turtle kinda no?
This was the best match I have seen but yet again Mass Fiends wins out
its cool seeing all the little things that stormgate takes from all the previous RTS games. wc3 had that same thing where workers can A click trees to bring them down.
Are there damage types/ damage bonuses vs specific units in this game? Would love if you could explain more of that.
38:50 I jumped lol
Yup. I shit meself too :D
You don't even imagine how high my cat jumped along with me hahahaha :D
So did the game. How can you make an RTS that lags when there are 20+ units?
Is there a liquipedia equivalent for stormgate? I’d like to browse the available units.
There is actually a stormgate liquipedia already, but it's only listing tournaments for now.
theres a stormgate fandom wiki with the units/buildings but its pretty incomplete. We will get a lot more information about stuff in trhe next beta when there is no NDA.
Made a post on the Stormgate subreddit that lists Infernal unit stats we can discern through public videos. NDA-free.
Weaver and gaunt should swap names
ok mass fiendsplitt is actualy nutts ... risky ... but nutts
Two interesting games, sometimes its visually hard to say who is winning, but cool strategies are already evolving and we dont have a tier 3 or a third race yet, really looking forward for this RTS juwel...
Nice cast! I played in the recent beta but couldn’t really figure a lot of things out. This clears it up a bit😄
That last big battle in the first game is very telling. Units in this game are way too durable. Unit fragility is the main reason for Brood War's success. Every unit was fragile and precious, even the bigger units. Sitting there and watching units take damage for two minutes and still not dying makes the fights look cluttered and sloppy and it's simply not interesting, not to mention it takes away a lot of the importance for good micro. Thanks for casting this Artosis.
That first game was realy good he got só close t wining and late game is always fun
That first game was pretty cool, finally saw good unit comps and edge base denial
fun match
Nice, great cast.
Also, the visuals of the game are growing on me.
I wish units weren't so tiny and tanky!
so glad to finally see some casts. while i have no intention of playing it, i have every intention of watching it. thank you!
First game was super fun
I love these games!!! This is so next Broodwar contender! I love it!
Fiends >
how you counter that dragon can someone tell me?? I have seen so many matches and vanguard never win with infernal are they sure have made some balance here?
awesome!
stormgate has a lot of issues but i appreciate looking for new markets. I think the major issues:
* white health is confusing
* laggy
* fights are muddled, not sure what is going on
* units are all kinda off. I like soldiers vs demons theme but the actual units seem a bit off still. Need more guns less lasers.
You are right, but this is all stuff they are going to fix. Its still early days
White health isn't confusing. It's basically a shield.
The lag/frame drops are from whoever recorded this replay. Watching live matches were smooth.
It's a new game so of course we have no idea wtf is going on. That said, Infernal mirror matches will be an issue, that I can agree with.
Firstly, lasers are great. Secondly, there were next to no lasers used in this match. Thirdly, did you not see the big ass mechs using miniguns? Wait, it's huge so it's not exactly mini. Hmmm.
@@invader_jim2837 White health is either going up or going down, only time it's constant is when it's at max and in heal range. It's like having all the units be constantly poisoned. Visually confusing and feels bad like losing at the ground is lava game.
IMO remove it and give a small heal on creep or something.
guns don't feel right still. They should also replace the knife guys.
@@mg0 It's not confusing. It's actually a very simple mechanic.
They get white health when they're on shroud, they lose white health when they're off shroud.
Very, _very_ simple.
lol the Lancer isn't going anywhere.
@@invader_jim2837 I think we're talking past each other. I am saying it's confusing visually. Distracting, poor UX for new viewer. I get the mechanic.
And a marine is a better unit than the lancer by far for many reasons.
I made my case, hope this game gets good.
Vanguard clearly need some kind of area of effect damage to deal with those fiends
I love the hedgehog as a unit concept but it really is in desperate need of visual improvements
as far as I understood, the hedgehog model is still a placeholder. I will definitely change in the next upcoming months.
it already has a replacement model coming in the next beta wave. tasteless covered it via stormgate central's vid
The infernals are clearly too strong. Fiends have great stats and are easily multiplied, the fact that a brute with low health splits into two full health fiends is crazy strong. They have cheap static defenses including one that spawns free units, their production is simplified and almost instant, and white health doesn't drain nearly as fast as it should off shroud and is easily replenished by the shroud stones. The whole thing about infernal units having limited time on the map off shroud does not actually happen practically.
Granted i know its early but this level of imbalance between the two factions, which don't even have their t3 fleshed out is worrying, especially since they are going ahead and having an open beta next month and they are running some of the first tourneys. Makes me question if some of their interesting ideas are going to turn into over developed and imbalanced design.
The fiend popping sound is horrible. Why is it so much louder than everything else?
stacking audio. it's a fairly common problem in a wide array of games. typically an easy fix
LETS GO!!!
Wtf is this video quality?!
Holy shit this game is atrociously bad.
lol in age of umpires lol what a tool
Soooo many fiends
Fiends seem op
The fiend mechanic definitely needs some tweaking. As it stands it's basically a 'lol win' button.
I've watched about 5 showmatches of "pro" stormgate so far and haven't seen a single Vanguard match win.... Can someone recommend a good Vanguard game (these were fun to watch anyways, well played azure)
Are economies growing too quick. Its first closed beta and we're seeing 4+ bases. Remember sc2 beta and it was rare to see people get off 2 bases and over time people learnt to counter early game rushes. Is it because defenders advantage is still strong will b.o.b spells and static d.
Is this a bad thing though? Would you rather have it be 1 base whole game? Imo its waaaay better for the game for the economies to work like SC2 LOTV rather than WoL release.
@@snowdrop9810 it just leaves less round for early game builds if static d is strong and expansions are easy to take.
@@Zoocsgo That's not necessarily true, you can still have very early harassment. The difference is that you can't always end the game immediately, so early game builds give you incremental advantages instead (akin to Dark Age/Feudal pressure in Age of Empires, although this is still waaay faster than that).
People got just better at RTS then back in WOL. Also people haven’t figured out the op one base stuff yet.
People got just better at RTS then back in WOL. Also people haven’t figured out the op one base stuff yet.
is it just me or it seems like fiends are super overpowered? especially since there are a lot of ways to get free fiends out. Basically they are fast and do good damage and is really good at swarming, the weakness of slowly dying doesn't seem to be that bad because they last long enough for the whole battle and then you have ways to heal them up.
the opponent is really trying to not commit to countering the fiends, if he had a few lancer walls and seige tanks supporting the fiends would die for nothing, but he seems committed to trying to bait him into fighting his main army, he is never going to do with fiend harass, the first game he did but it was once he had weavers and he lost to the weavers as the fiends die to the minigun guys.
He just isn't respecting the fiends is all
Infernal just cannot lose to Vanguard. Glad to see they nailed the PvT matchup in stormgate
Seems like infernals are op ATM, at least I am yet to see a game where vanguard wins against them.
It's early in development so no wonder game is not yet balanced
the balance right now seems to be SO BAD! i havent seen a single game where infernals loose vs vanguard
Opinions on balance at this point are the dumbest thing ever. Congratulations on being the dumbest thing ever.
almost as if the game is in beta and balancing is not a priority yet
They should have balanced the game out before shipping the final version 🤦♂️
@@MYCUH6this isn't the final version though
@@MYCUH6what are you even talking about. Final version is way down the line
It seems that Vanguard faction is only able to win in Vanguard vs Vanguard games.
Am I misunderstanding or are there only 2 races? Mirror matches were most fans least watched matches in StarCraft, can't imagine only having two factions will be great for build/strategy diversity which directly translates into being an entertaining game to watch.
Why is the quality so low? :( Hard to make out what's happening.
The FPS drops in large battles are so bad.
why is your graphics so low quality compared to other creators?
I know it is still early on. But it seems like what will make a good infernal player is having good discipline with the brutes. It felt like in these games that he was splitting into fiends very quickly and never really utilizing the brutes uhh... brutishness. Which I think will be a big part of the infernal army. Also he was always splitting all of his brutes, and as the meta develops we may see that it is better to only split chunks of brutes at a time, and leave 50% or more of them in tact. LOVE that you are already casting stormgate RT, and cant wait to see more!
It honestly doesn't look very good, the amount of units and slower death rate is just making everything so clustered
I hope they learn a lot during this early phase of the game. Vanguard hasn't won any of the games I've seen.
I've yet to see the vanguard win. They really are the terran
Azure big noob, no Vulkan no win
this game looks terrible